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Special Events Forums => Friday Squad Operations => Topic started by: Nefarious on December 10, 2008, 09:27:01 PM
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Ladies and Gentlemen, here are the scored results from frame 1.
Looks like the Allies were able to do the most damage to its Primary airfield Objectives, which gave them a significant lead in points. I included the Battlefield objective scoring, but I did not add it to the overall score. As mentioned previously, the Battlefield objective scoring will not be added until after the end of frame 3. So there is plenty of ground to be made up.
I also included a list of all successful landings that occurred in Aircraft, good job for returning safely.
Good luck in frame 2.
Axis:
Aircraft Kills: 179 Aircraft
Vehicle Kills: 257 Vehicles
A-20G: 015 x 03 = 045 Points
B-26B: 039 x 03 = 117 Points
P-38J: 033 x 03 = 099 Points
P-38L: 004 x 03 = 012 Points
P-47D-25: 021 x 02 = 042 Points
P-47D-40: 025 x 02 = 050 Points
P-51D: 042 x 02 = 084 Points
449 Points
Jeep: 007 x 01 = 007 Points
M16 MGMC: 037 x 01 = 037 Points
M3: 010 x 01 = 010 Points
M8: 104 x 01 = 104 Points
Sherman VC Firefly: 099 x 02 = 198 Points
356 Points
Aircraft Landings: 044 x 02 = 088 Points
1. Small Airfield A16 350
2. Small Airfield A32 056
3. Small Airfield A42 198
4. Small Airfield A55 173
777
Battlefield Objectives: 1200 (St Vith + 7 GV Bases)
Axis Total: 1670
Allied:
Aircraft Kills: 167 Aircraft
Vehicle Kills: 230 Vehicles
Ar 234 001 x 05 = 005 Points
Bf 109 G-14 018 x 02 = 036 Points
Bf 109 K-4 025 x 02 = 050 Points
Fw 190 A-8 048 x 02 = 096 Points
Fw 190 D-9 038 x 02 = 076 Points
Fw 190 F-8 024 x 02 = 048 Points
Me 262 013 x 05 = 065 Points
426 Points
Jeep 009 x 01 = 009 Points
Panzer IVH 056 x 02 = 112 Points
SdKfz 251 016 x 01 = 016 Points
Tiger I 115 x 02 = 230 Points
Whirbelwind 034 x 02 = 068 Points
435 Points
Aircraft Landings: 063 x 02 = 126 Points
1. Small Airfield A162 399
2. Small Airfield A168 476
3. Small Airfield A184 480
4. Small Airfield A189 440
1795
Battlefield Objectives: 1600 (Bastogne + 11 GV bases)
Allied Total: 2782
Axis Landed:
68Birt
68Magnum
BMWgs
Cobra9
DadsGuns
DaSaint
Gumpsta
Jerlle
markakis
MAYO
PIGFACE
spiderad
vart69
lowZX14
SlipKnt
GetBack
Warloc
BluKitty
33jtr
Bubi
gavagai
Stampf
Angel
essay
Gat76
Lonmower
LTARadio
SheGotYa
StingerB
Fedral
JVSotos
WiLdDog1
Dace
FiLtH
MGD
Sidious
SKFatDad
SKWing19
Drazz
MEF4UD
LippyCH
yb1CH
wmills
BaNNoR
Allied Landed:
Cavalry3
Curnutte
marcds
B4Buster
BigRat
Blutik
daddog
Earthdog
kansas2
Malap
flatiron
nestle
OakTree
jack2
wolvrine
Bugsplat
maxy
JB11
skatsr
Vne1
A8BLOOD
A8Nisky
A8rstel
A8wolf
AKAuger
AKBmzawy
AKDogg
AKEpoch
AKNOT
AKRaider
AkRaVeN
GearJrk
LINDY
Starke42
Cobra521
nick2367
96Delta
Barko
Chuggin1
DAKone
Jib
madhorus
YahMama
cobra516
Dan644
MachNum
Paladin3
Aegis111
H5117
JackRaid
John577
tireking
DREDger
smpsn34
BluTrain
Hammr672
oACBo
WASTER07
Booch
DWaves
shreck
THOR01
Toke
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Out of curiosity, was there a reason the Bf-110G and Ju-88 were left off the Axis plane set? While both are thoroughly out-classed by the American Iron in the air, they would have REALLY helped even things out, as the Axis is operating at a significant disadvantage in air-to-ground capability.
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yep and there was no way to get the other major gv base in 1 hour.
All allied plane carried at least 2k ords where the 190's 1k ords.
of course it would be expected that the axis would not do as much air to ground attack as the allies due to this plane set.
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yep and there was no way to get the other major gv base in 1 hour.
True Chappy, but imagine if the Allies DID hold on to both Saint-Vith and Bastogne, that would be 1000pts to the Allies (not including extra bases). IMO, the CMs made the battle close to Saint-Vith so the Axis COULD capture it quickly and "balance" the scoring. The main reason Axis did not win the ground battle was because of the 4 GV bases lost.
P.S. Saint-Vith DID fall to the Axis during the Bulge, that, and its a major crossroad, so that is why its probably worth so much.
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imagine
balance the scoring yes, but what about the ords difference?
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Just looking at "level" bombers, between the B-26s and A-20s which have a MINIMUM requirement of 24, they out-carry the 24-max Ar-234s by a significant margin (~192,000lbs of ordinance for the Allies vs ~79,200 on the Arados).
Plus the fact that the 190F is limited to 1500lbs max, none of the other Axis fighters carry even THAT much, and all the Allied fighters carry a minimum of 2000lbs, some of them approaching 4000lbs.
I'm making do with what I have, but I'd be interested in the decision-making process behind the plane set.
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Man, I guess reality sucks. :lol
The plane set is authentic. The 110 and Ju88 were not used in daylight offensive operations during this battle. The Stuka, Ju88 and 110 were used for interdiction at night against ground convoys weather permitting.
The 262 was not used in such numbers as the design allows in the fighter mode, their units had been withdrawn from combat. Those that were available were the bomber variant and in low quanities at the end of the campaign.
There were only 12ish KG76 234s available as well.
Be happy with what you got, Nef has a good design for a FSO here.
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Just want to point out if you go the realism route that we shouldn't be flying at all, since the weather virtually eliminated air operations for the part of the campaign being covered.
Actually, I think making this an all-ground setup would have been VERY interesting.
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You want Ju88s?
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Actually, I think making this an all-ground setup would have been VERY interesting.
Not for those that have no interest in GVs.
:salute
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Just a quick query on the number of Ar234s shot down, the score seems to read only one? I just did a quick count and came up with nine. I know BearKats and I shot down one each.
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Hmm.. I didn't see them.
Let me re-check.
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Your right, I check the data from the raw logs from HTC and I must have had a mishap there. Thanks for the check.
That will adjust the score:
Allied: 2822
Axis: 1670
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You want Ju88s?
I wouldn't turn up my nose at the the offer, though would we be talking an addition or a swap?
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Its the Christmas season how bout both the 110 and 88.
Just leave me milk and cookies in Berlin :)
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So I can add 110s and 88s to my orders for this week and not give up anything else?
(http://lynseycamina.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/were-not-worthy.jpg)
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After some further thought,
The Allies will also have Tempests (24 Max) and Typhoons.
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So I can add 110s and 88s to my orders for this week and not give up anything else?
Yes.
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The Ju 88s will also have a minimum like the Allied B-26.
The Axis now have
Ju 88 (Min 8 Formations or 24 Aircraft)
Bf 110
The Allies now have
Tempest (Max 24)
Typhoon
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A pyrrhic victory... :)
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Actually, I think making this an all-ground setup would have been VERY interesting.
If you like GV's I believe 4440 said he was planning a 3 week all GV scenario in the somewhat not to distant future, should be fun. :aok
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A pyrrhic victory... :)
No kidding. I don't think it's worth it for the axis to gain the Ju88 and 110 (both of which are easy pickin's) if the allies get the Typhoon and 24 Tempests.
Ultimately, I prefer these kinds of events to remain as true to the real thing as possible.
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Looking through the logs it looks like the 88s were cut to shreds. I see a few hangars dropped here and there, but mostly "was shot down by..." Nice target practice! :aok
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If my memory is correct axis got the 88's last minute because they requested them. :D
edit:
Just checked, it was the begining of this thread starting at reply #1
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Well, then the axis deserves the results it got. The JU 88 is just a flying target against the late-war planeset. If it had a better defensive armament like the JU 188 things might be different, but until then why be so masochistic?
In my opinion the 190F-8 is one of the best attack aircraft in the game. Sure it only carries one big bomb, but it carries 12 rockets and has a truckload of ammunition. If the axis had saved some 190F-8s for the tank fight at 231 last night things would have gone very differently.
The thing is, in events like FSO, most people don't have the main arena experience with the Luftwaffe aircraft that's needed to make them effective, whereas almost everyone has experience in a P-51 or P-38. There's a portion of the AH community that doesn't realize the rockets on the 110G and 190A-8 are for air-to-air use and you'll see them loaded for ground attack. Many do not know that the drop tank rack on the 190 and 109 incurs a drag penalty. I'm expecting an allied win here, and I say kudos to the allies for making good use of the tools they have.
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The Axis had FIVE squadrons (one of Ar-234s, two of Bf-110s and one of 190Fs for air support, and one mix of 109Ks and 190Ds for air superiority) assigned to directly support the ground attack so it was NOT for a lack of planning. The problem was that the Allies had total control of the air and shot them all down. We were supposed to have escorts from the airfield strikes head into the area as well to provide further air-superiority, however all the strike packages ran into overwhelming numbers of enemy fighters and were heavily mauled, ESCORTS INCLUDED. 190Fs would have been slaughtered just as easily under the conditions faced by the strike groups as the Ju-88s were.
The plan was to hit the hangars at 109, 234, 246 and 241 at or just after T+60. In the Southeast this worked to perfection. 241 and 246 were knocked out immediately by the strike packages to secure 236 from the south and were captured in short order. However the initial attacks on 109 failed due to a low fog bank right over the target, and large numbers of Allied fighters in the area prevented planned strikes on 234 and follow-up attacks on 109.
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I can vouch for that fog bank. We kept taking the 234s lower and lower. After I passed through 3k I started to wonder how high the next ridge might be. It wasn't too far under the a/c and right after it was 109. We got vis on the base at about d1000. Much too late to drop bombs even close to it when traveling at 410. So Plan B. Glide/dive bomb. I think several hangars were taken down at a two bases but never did we get one base leveled enough to make a difference. About the best thing the 234 could be used for last night was as recon. After my second bomb run, I spotted troops for the GVers at 223 (? might have been 224) and seeing no nme, the ground guys were able to roll troops and take back from the Allies.
So the clouds made life difficult but they were very impressive. <S> terrain team.