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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: ImADot on December 23, 2008, 08:53:45 AM
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Was in MW the other night. Don't remember the map (don't even pay attention to names) - was at fighter town - you know, the three airbases in the middle right on the edge of each others dar ring. There were probably 12-15 guys throwing down a great furball and everyone (myself included) was having a blast.
The funny thing, though - there were 2 or 3 of the Rooks in Zekes and Spits that kept trying to sneak into the furball at 20' and then pull up into it and HO the first plane they see. Sometimes they get lucky, picking someone who's busy TnB'ing on the deck, sometimes they get whacked right away and then try the same "tactic" again and again.
No whine here, just an observation...had to chuckle to myself each and every time I saw them coming. Anyway, a big :salute to everyone involved...it was a blast for over an hour, until I had to call it a night to get some much-needed sack time.
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Those fellas don't bother me.... it's the ones that come in at 10k to fighter town. Poor guys can't fly their planes and never will be able to as long as they don't push the envelope. They say they die if they try to T&B.... well ok you get a new plane and figure out what you did wrong and go at it again. Another way to not get killed is to go watch TV. :aok
I'm used to T&B and I get killed all the time.... you'll never improve unless you get aggressive. Last night I was all over stangs spit and Jaxxo was telling me to not get so agressive... lol
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Missed the fun last knight but Sat night was certainly a good time....
(http://www.az-dsl.com/snaphook/attackoftheSBD.JPG)
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TI'm used to T&B and I get killed all the time.... you'll never improve unless you get aggressive. Last night I was all over stangs spit and Jaxxo was telling me to not get so agressive... lol
And you know that TnB is the same thing as BnZ, but only horizontal? :rolleyes:
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Poor guys can't fly their planes and never will be able to as long as they don't push the envelope. They say they die if they try to T&B
I love it when people say that to me :lol
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Those fellas don't bother me.... it's the ones that come in at 10k to fighter town. Poor guys can't fly their planes and never will be able to as long as they don't push the envelope. They say they die if they try to T&B.... well ok you get a new plane and figure out what you did wrong and go at it again. Another way to not get killed is to go watch TV. :aok
I'm used to T&B and I get killed all the time.... you'll never improve unless you get aggressive. Last night I was all over stangs spit and Jaxxo was telling me to not get so agressive... lol
So you're saying the only way to play is the close-quarters circle-jerk, regardless of plane type? IMO if you're in a Zeke, Spit or Hurricane you forfeit all rights to :cry about guys not wanting to fly the way you think they should to give you easy kills. I'll be damned if I'm going to let any of those three types sucker my F4U into a close-quarters turning battle if I can help it.
I fly my plane to its strengths, fight my opponents' to their weaknesses, and plan my engagements on the situation. If that means coming in with alitude and not blowing all my E to join the conga-line in the weeds you bet your bellybutton I'll be that plane arriving at 10k (if not higher to ensure parity with the other guys with altitude).
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So you're saying the only way to play is the close-quarters circle-jerk, regardless of plane type? IMO if you're in a Zeke, Spit or Hurricane you forfeit all rights to :cry about guys not wanting to fly the way you think they should to give you easy kills. I'll be damned if I'm going to let any of those three types sucker my F4U into a close-quarters turning battle if I can help it.
I fly my plane to its strengths, fight my opponents' to their weaknesses, and plan my engagements on the situation. If that means coming in with alitude and not blowing all my E to join the conga-line in the weeds you bet your bellybutton I'll be that plane arriving at 10k (if not higher to ensure parity with the other guys with altitude).
lol another person calling the whine card.... same as racist do....
You fly how you want it's no skin off my nose. But don't get upset when folks say something about it.
My whole point is "How do you know what a plane can do unless you try it"..............
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So you're saying the only way to play is the close-quarters circle-jerk, regardless of plane type? IMO if you're in a Zeke, Spit or Hurricane you forfeit all rights to :cry about guys not wanting to fly the way you think they should to give you easy kills. I'll be damned if I'm going to let any of those three types sucker my F4U into a close-quarters turning battle if I can help it.
I fly my plane to its strengths, fight my opponents' to their weaknesses, and plan my engagements on the situation. If that means coming in with alitude and not blowing all my E to join the conga-line in the weeds you bet your bellybutton I'll be that plane arriving at 10k (if not higher to ensure parity with the other guys with altitude).
[sarcasm]why not? you get another plane for free.[/sarcasm]
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see the same "tactic" all the time when we are taking a base, its almost always a LA7 so low on the deck yan cant hardly see the icon, they up, go screaming directly towards town (to suicide into the troops or goon).. and make HO snapshots at people as they try to intercept..
I got 5 kills one time in about 3 minutes, same guy same plane same tactic over and over.. I cant complain, I was in a G2 so got something like 12 billion perks when I landed.
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F4U can easily turn with a spit
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I got 5 kills one time in about 3 minutes, same guy same plane same tactic over and over.. I cant complain, I was in a G2 so got something like 12 billion perks when I landed.
Yeah, my ENY30 Hurri Mk1 gets me extra perkies because of the fact that not many people see them so don't think they have to worry about 'em. Eight .303 MG on a great little turn-fighter will send a firehose of lead and saw off your wing like butter, given the chance.
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Yeah, my ENY30 Hurri Mk1 gets me extra perkies because of the fact that not many people see them so don't think they have to worry about 'em. Eight .303 MG on a great little turn-fighter will send a firehose of lead and saw off your wing like butter, given the chance.
What kind of butter are you eating, that requires any sort of sawing motion? :D
I agree though, Hurri mk 1 is possibly the most fun furballer in the game :)
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What kind of butter are you eating, that requires any sort of sawing motion? :D
I agree though, Hurri mk 1 is possibly the most fun furballer in the game :)
SBD is actually a suprisingly good little furballer with potentially better pop then the hurri I.
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Yea, but I really love the feel of the hurri mk1. The sound (even without a custom pack) of the .303's and the ensuing HUNDREDS of hit sprites are awsome :aok
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F4U can easily turn with a spit
It's entirely dependent on the situation. At mid-to-high speeds it's no contest. However we're not talking mid-to-high speeds if we go by Shuffler's definition of how planes should be flown in the game. So let's move this to the weeds hovering at the stall for his benefit.
With full flaps the F4U's turn radius may be tighter but the rate falls off substantially, at which point the Spit's higher rate of turn takes over. If the Corsair doesn't close out the deal FAST she's not going to last long and the Spitfire will eventually get around on her. Additionally, the Corsair's weight works against it trying to break out of the horizontal plane whereas the Spitfire can more easily move into the vertical under near-stall conditions.
That's assuming the Hog survives long enough at the bottom of a dog pile to even GET to that point. The absolute WORST place to be in a Corsair is with flaps out on the deck against multiple cons.
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Missed the fun last knight but Sat night was certainly a good time....
Snap, I took one look at that SS and thought 'A SBD? Who the F would be stupid enough to fly a SBD! Bet its snap!' I wasnt disappointed! :rofl
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Yea, but I really love the feel of the hurri mk1. The sound (even without a custom pack) of the .303's and the ensuing HUNDREDS of hit sprites are awsome :aok
Yeah, but you didn't mention the "annoyance" factor for the recipient as those hundreds of pings echo in his ears. :t
Same things when plinking a GV with a pintle gun...not much for damage, but drives the opponent insane.
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Yeah, but you didn't mention the "annoyance" factor for the recipient as those hundreds of pings echo in his ears. :t
Same things when plinking a GV with a pintle gun...not much for damage, but drives the opponent insane.
Quite true. Particuarly when all of the sounds can't "catch up" with the damage, so hes in the tower hearing hits for another 2-3 seconds :rofl
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sounds like Auld.
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I prefer the spit1 over the hurri1. Fightn a hurri1 with it can be a chore at times.
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I think its a question of intent and ability. If you had a random generator that created scenarios that forced a situation where you were in harms way then "furballing" would be vastly over rated. However lets look at the realities of combat, the #2 US ace in the war died how?...
On the deck furballing trying to save a wingie. The sad reality is that its absurdly easy to rack up numbers in this game and always has been. The real skill is in forcing a plane to perform in a hostile environment in circumstances that do not favor the instrument at hand. IRL pilots did not have the ability to pick and chose the circumstances of engagement, often times those issues were decided for them. We need to look no farther then events at field Y-29 on Jan 1, 1945.
Here is the combat report from one pilot involved...
January 1, 1945 Combat Log:
I was leading Red Flight. As we were taxiing out to the strip I saw some air activity east of the airfield. The squadron consisting of three four-ship flights, was taking off singly. As I started down the strip, Colonel Meyer called the Controller and inquired about bandits in the vic. As I pulled my wheels up, the Controller reported that there were bandits east of the field. We didn't take time to form up, but set course, wide-open, straight for the bandits. There were a few P47s mixing it up with the bandits as I arrived. I ran into about thirty 190s at 1,500 feet. There were many 109s above them. I picked out a 190 and pressed the trigger. Nothing happened. I reached down and turned on my gun switch and gave him a couple of good bursts.
As I watched him hit the ground and explode, I felt myself being hit. I broke sharply to the right, and up. A 190 was about 50 yards behind me, firing away. As I was turning with him, another 51 attacked him and he broke off his attack on me. I then saw that I had several 20 mm holes in each wing, and another hit in my oil tank. My left aileron control was also out, I was losing oil, but my pressure and temperature were steady. Being over friendly territory I could see no reason for landing immediately so turned towards a big dogfight and shortly had another 190 in my sights. After hitting him several times, he attempted to bale out, but I gave him a burst as he raised up, and he went in with his plane, which exploded and burned. There were several 109s in the vic so I engaged one of them. We fought for five or ten minutes, and I finally managed to get behind him. I hit him good and the pilot baled out at 200 feet. I clobbered him as he baled out and he tumbled into the ground.
At this time I saw 15 or 20 fires from crashed planes. Bandits were reported strafing the field, so I headed for the strip. I saw a 109 strafe the NE corner of the strip. I started after him and he turned into me. We made two head-on passes, and on the second I hit him on the nose and wings. He crashed and burned east of the strip. I chased several more bandits but they evaded in the clouds. I had oil on my windscreen and canopy so came back to the strip and landed.
All of the e/a were very aggressive, and extremely good pilots. I am very happy that we were able to shoot down 23 with a loss of none. We were outnumbered 5 to 1 with full fuselage tanks. The P-47's on this field did a fine job, and helped us considerably. The co-operation among our fighters was extremely good and we did the job as a team.
Claim: two Me109's destroyed, two FW190's destroyed.
William T. Whisner, 0798190
Captain, Air Corps,
352nd Fighter Group
sounds just about like a furball off of a capped field in AH to me....
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Full fuselage tanks in ponies is NUTS for that sort of engagement.
"All of the e/a were very aggressive, and extremely good pilots"
I honestly have a hard time believing that the german sticks were that good, to go 0-23 in such circumstances. (E advantage, massively outnumbering enemy, space/time to form up if wanted...)
Regardless, very interesting read.
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Claim: two Me109's destroyed, two FW190's destroyed.
William T. Whisner, 0798190
Captain, Air Corps,
352nd Fighter Group
sounds just about like a furball off of a capped field in AH to me....
it sure does, but for real. :salute
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Very, very interesting that the Mustangs were able to hold their own in a furball with 109s and 190s at very low alt with full fuselage tanks.
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The absolute WORST place to be in a Corsair is with flaps out on the deck against multiple cons.
Seems that is the absolute worst place to be in any plane. :aok
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The sad reality is that its absurdly easy to rack up numbers in this game and always has been.
It is hardly easy, and the high-speed E fighting tactics that people claim are the easy way to do so, ain't. The absolute easiest way to rack up many kills over a short period of time is a good turning bird+cannons+a fight with many low and slow bandits (CV fights fulfill these requirements to perfection.) The K/D may be merely a good 2-3 from a steady diet of such engagements but the other numbers will be higher than easily obtainable by any other reasonable method.
Which is not to imply that certain feats like successfully flying an A-20 against a CAP of Spits and N1Ks is anything but very difficult.
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So you're saying the only way to play is the close-quarters circle-jerk, regardless of plane type? IMO if you're in a Zeke, Spit or Hurricane you forfeit all rights to :cry about guys not wanting to fly the way you think they should to give you easy kills. I'll be damned if I'm going to let any of those three types sucker my F4U into a close-quarters turning battle if I can help it.
I fly my plane to its strengths, fight my opponents' to their weaknesses, and plan my engagements on the situation. If that means coming in with alitude and not blowing all my E to join the conga-line in the weeds you bet your bellybutton I'll be that plane arriving at 10k (if not higher to ensure parity with the other guys with altitude).
I'VE BEEN to 12k in my 38 a few times. the blender stops working though. and then i looked down once.....and got scared. :D
and sooner or later, i WILL figure out how the helll to turn my 38 with spits, and hurris. i've seen it done, so i KNOW it can be done. i just ain't good enough............yet :devil
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F4U can easily turn with a spit
Um. Speed has a lot to do with a yes/no on that one. :)
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Um. Speed has a lot to do with a yes/no on that one. :)
As I'd already pointed out about a page ago. :aok
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Indeed the F4U can fly incredibly slow with full flaps with a tiny turn radius, thus turning with a SpitIX, VIII, or XVI, although Spit can sustain a higher rate of turn, climbs much better, and accelerates much better.
However, as you may have noticed, hostiles in the MA generally do not stand by and watch a low and slow Corsair with several notches of flaps deployed going 'round and 'round to shoot down their countrymen, then say "Well done old chap. Now I shall hold allow you 5 minutes to retract flaps and accelerate that beast back up to fighting speed, and my horde of flying monkeys shall stay out of the engagement, to keep everything cricket"
This illustrates that although the Corsair CAN turn with damn near anything, that does not mean it always should. :D
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I love that report Snap, I think it shows that AH is a better simulator that we give it credit for at times. I count, just from Whisner, two ho's and two chute shootings. He was hit several times with 20mm and didn't go down so he obviously had a "cheat" and fighting over the field, he was an ack hugger. On the other hand, the Germans were in a horde, and the 109's were picking alt monkeys.
Channel 200:
Axis1: wtfg whis....u ack hugging hoing chute shooting cheat.
Whis: what are you talking about? you guys ever fly in anything but a horde? you don't expect me to ho when we're outnumbered like that?
Axis2: I tried to avoid the ho but that's all you can do you skilless dweeb
Whis: hey, you turned into me and gave me the shot...learn some tactics to avoid the ho
Axis3: so why'd you shoot me in my chute? what a classless bastage
Whis: :-)
Axis4: whis should change his name to wuss...i was dragging him out for a little 1v1 and he turned his runstang and ran back to his base to land his kills and see his name in lights. guess he couldn't handle a real fight without all his buddies and ack
Axis5: yeah, whis has always been a score wh__re
Whis: u guys coming back or have you given up on Y29? If you're coming back i'll up a 110 and then we'll see some real hoing ;-)
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It is hardly easy, and the high-speed E fighting tactics that people claim are the easy way to do so, ain't. The absolute easiest way to rack up many kills over a short period of time is a good turning bird+cannons+a fight with many low and slow bandits (CV fights fulfill these requirements to perfection.) The K/D may be merely a good 2-3 from a steady diet of such engagements but the other numbers will be higher than easily obtainable by any other reasonable method.
Which is not to imply that certain feats like successfully flying an A-20 against a CAP of Spits and N1Ks is anything but very difficult.
1st doing anything in this game "really well" on a consistent basis isn't "easy"...but there is no specific skill required to rack up kills. Now to me initially +E fighting is conceptually challenging for a newer player since it requires both the use of out of plane maneuvering and lag pursuit curves combined with some throttle, flap and control surface manipulation. To someone who was started poorly (the typical "start with the spitty" concept) this can be a lot of information to process. However in the end controlling a fight from a position of tactical advantage just isnt that difficult. No one would view the SBD as a "threat" yet the odds of surviving a good stick in a high SBD is very poor. The basic concept of attack until your advantage significantly diminishes and then reposition isnt difficult and its no coincidence that the highest ranked pilot in WW2 and highest surviving ace in ww1 flew this way. If I was doing this for real thats what I would do...if I could. But what if I couldnt? What if I didnt have alt, E and the better plane? I'd look to learn what strengths my ride had and exploit them. Swede Vejtasa wasnt hanging around the bridge of the Yorktown lobbying for CAP duty....but he ended up flying CAP with his SBD's regardless. The A-20 engaged in numerous air to air combats simply becuase the other option was just to die without trying.
I upped a ki-61 this am for a quick sweep. I ended up with 6 kills and had just shot the rudder off a yak and was going back up and over to finish him when I lost UDP. I can cobble the clips together but basically would most likely be a 8+ kill hop with no problems. Now I flew this with more of a score "intent" then normal looking for an area that had some action but no true horde. nothing wrong with the "coffee break" style of flying but it is what it is...high reward, minimal risk.
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:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :D :D :rock :rock :salute :aok
I love that report Snap, I think it shows that AH is a better simulator that we give it credit for at times. I count, just from Whisner, two ho's and two chute shootings. He was hit several times with 20mm and didn't go down so he obviously had a "cheat" and fighting over the field, he was an ack hugger. On the other hand, the Germans were in a hoard, and the 109's were picking alt monkeys.
Channel 200:
Axis1: wtfg whis....u ack hugging hoing chute shooting cheat.
Whis: what are you talking about? you guys ever fly in anything but a hoard? you don't expect me to ho when we're outnumbered like that?
Axis2: I tried to avoid the ho but that's all you can do you skilless dweeb
Whis: hey, you turned into me and gave me the shot...learn some tactics to avoid the ho
Axis3: so why'd you shoot me in my chute? what a classless bastage
Whis: :-)
Axis4: whis should change his name to wuss...i was dragging him out for a little 1v1 and he turned his runstang and ran back to his base to land his kills and see his name in lights. guess he couldn't handle a real fight without all his buddies and ack
Axis5: yeah, whis has always been a score potato
Whis: u guys coming back or have you given up on Y29? If you're coming back i'll up a 110 and then we'll see some real hoing ;-)
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I prefer the spit1 over the hurri1. Fightn a hurri1 with it can be a chore at times.
Yeah. Had a hell of a fight with Shuffler in his 38J vs my Spit 1. Lasted a good 5-10 minutes. I could tell he was having a hard time as was I. Trying to keep that plane steady at slow speeds is horrendous. The film viewer doesn't show what rudder movements I was going through. A bunch of times it felt like I was floating at 10mph in mid air. Shuffler put up a hell of a fight considering the dings I was giving him.
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Except that no how much alt, E, or "control" you have over the fight, some match-ups (Like 190 vs. Spit, for example) are like gunning for a close-breaking bird with a movement disorder. With a 10lbs. weight attached to the barrel of your shotgun. :D
I also stand by a statement I've made before, when people talk about how easy it is to rack up numbers, I think only tiny % could rack up numbers like Steve or Shawk with any plane or flying style.
1st doing anything in this game "really well" on a consistent basis isn't "easy"...but there is no specific skill required to rack up kills. Now to me initially +E fighting is conceptually challenging for a newer player since it requires both the use of out of plane maneuvering and lag pursuit curves combined with some throttle, flap and control surface manipulation. To someone who was started poorly (the typical "start with the spitty" concept) this can be a lot of information to process. However in the end controlling a fight from a position of tactical advantage just isnt that difficult. No one would view the SBD as a "threat" yet the odds of surviving a good stick in a high SBD is very poor. The basic concept of attack until your advantage significantly diminishes and then reposition isnt difficult and its no coincidence that the highest ranked pilot in WW2 and highest surviving ace in ww1 flew this way. If I was doing this for real thats what I would do...if I could. But what if I couldnt? What if I didnt have alt, E and the better plane? I'd look to learn what strengths my ride had and exploit them. Swede Vejtasa wasnt hanging around the bridge of the Yorktown lobbying for CAP duty....but he ended up flying CAP with his SBD's regardless. The A-20 engaged in numerous air to air combats simply becuase the other option was just to die without trying.
I upped a ki-61 this am for a quick sweep. I ended up with 6 kills and had just shot the rudder off a yak and was going back up and over to finish him when I lost UDP. I can cobble the clips together but basically would most likely be a 8+ kill hop with no problems. Now I flew this with more of a score "intent" then normal looking for an area that had some action but no true horde. nothing wrong with the "coffee break" style of flying but it is what it is...high reward, minimal risk.
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What you usually end up defending is usually not the subject at hand. I was in MW that particular night and there was one particular P-38 that would come into FT at 8K while everyone else was 2 k. He racked up several kills and I witnessed him get a kill on Dedalos...quite a difficult job if you have ever fought Dedalos. He shot/picked/BnZed me twice. Tired of it, I climbed up in a 109F coalt and found him quite easily.(the only one BnZing/picking) He tried to rope me but I ended up on his 6 so he dove for his base and tried dragging me through ack and when I turned off he turned back so I turned back and he gave me a face full of P-38. I finally gave up on my fun little fights I had going on with friends at 2K and upped a Spit 8 climbing to 10K. I announced to everyone I was not engaging anyone fighting and was only hunting said pickers (of course he claimed he had to BnZ because he was "flying to his planes capabilities) After announcing this, said P-38 climbed to 10 K to try to sneak in on me while I was watching below. He missed his opportunity and in 1 turn I was on his 6 again. He dives at a 45 and I follow peppering him to about 5K then regain my alt for more picker hunting. He immediately declares if this is what MW has turned into (a dueling arena) we could have it and he left. Unhappy I would not allow him to hover 5 K above a fight and BnZ those people actually fighting.
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Except that no how much alt, E, or "control" you have over the fight, some match-ups (Like 190 vs. Spit, for example) are like gunning for a close-breaking bird with a movement disorder. With a 10lbs. weight attached to the barrel of your shotgun. :D
I also stand by a statement I've made before, when people talk about how easy it is to rack up numbers, I think only tiny % could rack up numbers like Steve or Shawk with any plane or flying style.
Both Steve and Shawk are quality sticks with good overall skills, as for 190 vs spit...the 190 never loses unless it makes a major mistake.
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, as for 190 vs spit...the 190 never loses unless it makes a major mistake.
Perhaps the "major mistake" ( or a multitude of small mistakes) apply s to all situations involving combat between similar/dissimilar A/C...imho...fwiw..ymmv., etc, etc :)
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Perhaps the "major mistake" ( or a multitude of small mistakes) apply s to all situations involving combat between similar/dissimilar A/C...imho...fwiw..ymmv., etc, etc :)
without a doubt, in fact all the inferior plane can do is attempt to entice a mistake. In fact if we look at the good E fighters its a common trait that they actually sit on the "trap" not the initial move, so at a higher level it becomes a game of false traps with the reality that the moment the superior plane feels exposed he resets.
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What you usually end up defending is usually not the subject at hand. I was in MW that particular night and there was one particular P-38 that would come into FT at 8K while everyone else was 2 k. He racked up several kills and I witnessed him get a kill on Dedalos...quite a difficult job if you have ever fought Dedalos. He shot/picked/BnZed me twice. Tired of it, I climbed up in a 109F coalt and found him quite easily.(the only one BnZing/picking) He tried to rope me but I ended up on his 6 so he dove for his base and tried dragging me through ack and when I turned off he turned back so I turned back and he gave me a face full of P-38. I finally gave up on my fun little fights I had going on with friends at 2K and upped a Spit 8 climbing to 10K. I announced to everyone I was not engaging anyone fighting and was only hunting said pickers (of course he claimed he had to BnZ because he was "flying to his planes capabilities) After announcing this, said P-38 climbed to 10 K to try to sneak in on me while I was watching below. He missed his opportunity and in 1 turn I was on his 6 again. He dives at a 45 and I follow peppering him to about 5K then regain my alt for more picker hunting. He immediately declares if this is what MW has turned into (a dueling arena) we could have it and he left. Unhappy I would not allow him to hover 5 K above a fight and BnZ those people actually fighting.
Basically, your entire post can be boiled down to "I don't like him because he doesn't fight the way I want him to fight". Isn't that really your point?
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Both Steve and Shawk are quality sticks with good overall skills, as for 190 vs spit...the 190 never loses unless it makes a major mistake.
Not losing is not the same as winning. :D
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Basically, your entire post can be boiled down to "I don't like him because he doesn't fight the way I want him to fight". Isn't that really your point?
Not at all...good card to throw out though. It was in FT and around 12-15 people were there all coming in right off the fields at about 2 k. Everyone was having fun fighting in a semi equal playing field. IMO he was borderline on grieving others fun...may not have been his intent. Suspicious he decided to leave whenever I intended to come co-alt or even turn the alt advantage around on him though. There were other battles going on elsewhere where a 8-10k P-38 would have had a better fight and not just milking kills (which was part of the point) / spoiling other fights. I know you like to fly with an alt advantage in a P-38 as well but at least you will engage a 1v1 and I haven't seen you just seeking cherries....but I also haven't flown around you a great deal.
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I have a question:
I have no idea what wickedness this guy was doing. If he was going about clearing the twelve o'clocks of friendlies...well, in their place I'd certainly complain about it.
But...here's the thing..knowing your villain was in a P-38, why did you not choose the P-51B, a plane from which the P-38 could not *possibly* run away from which also has similar turning? Why did you instead you choose two aircraft (one of them perked in MW IIRC) who have a large advantage in rate of turn, radius of turn, and rate of climb-In short, almost every advantage *except* top speed?
What you usually end up defending is usually not the subject at hand. I was in MW that particular night and there was one particular P-38 that would come into FT at 8K while everyone else was 2 k. He racked up several kills and I witnessed him get a kill on Dedalos...quite a difficult job if you have ever fought Dedalos. He shot/picked/BnZed me twice. Tired of it, I climbed up in a 109F coalt and found him quite easily.(the only one BnZing/picking) He tried to rope me but I ended up on his 6 so he dove for his base and tried dragging me through ack and when I turned off he turned back so I turned back and he gave me a face full of P-38. I finally gave up on my fun little fights I had going on with friends at 2K and upped a Spit 8 climbing to 10K. I announced to everyone I was not engaging anyone fighting and was only hunting said pickers (of course he claimed he had to BnZ because he was "flying to his planes capabilities) After announcing this, said P-38 climbed to 10 K to try to sneak in on me while I was watching below. He missed his opportunity and in 1 turn I was on his 6 again. He dives at a 45 and I follow peppering him to about 5K then regain my alt for more picker hunting. He immediately declares if this is what MW has turned into (a dueling arena) we could have it and he left. Unhappy I would not allow him to hover 5 K above a fight and BnZ those people actually fighting.
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"Well done old chap. Now I shall hold allow you 5 minutes to retract flaps and accelerate that beast back up to fighting speed, and my horde of flying monkeys shall stay out of the engagement, to keep everything cricket"
Maybe If the server was hosted in London around 1938 :lol
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:rofl
Maybe If the server was hosted in London around 1938 :lol
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First plane..I was already upping that plane getting ready to fight otd when I saw him and decided to keep him from picking anyone else so I climbed.
Second plane..my sole intention was to either push him down or keep him from firing on planes already engaged.
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I'm just saying...in a 51 you could have run him down and shot him.
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I love that report Snap, I think it shows that AH is a better simulator that we give it credit for at times. I count, just from Whisner, two ho's and two chute shootings. He was hit several times with 20mm and didn't go down so he obviously had a "cheat" and fighting over the field, he was an ack hugger. On the other hand, the Germans were in a horde, and the 109's were picking alt monkeys.
Channel 200:
Axis1: wtfg whis....u ack hugging hoing chute shooting cheat.
Whis: what are you talking about? you guys ever fly in anything but a horde? you don't expect me to ho when we're outnumbered like that?
Axis2: I tried to avoid the ho but that's all you can do you skilless dweeb
Whis: hey, you turned into me and gave me the shot...learn some tactics to avoid the ho
Axis3: so why'd you shoot me in my chute? what a classless bastage
Whis: :-)
Axis4: whis should change his name to wuss...i was dragging him out for a little 1v1 and he turned his runstang and ran back to his base to land his kills and see his name in lights. guess he couldn't handle a real fight without all his buddies and ack
Axis5: yeah, whis has always been a score wh__re
Whis: u guys coming back or have you given up on Y29? If you're coming back i'll up a 110 and then we'll see some real hoing ;-)
A couple of things really struck me in that report. Here's a guy with every excuse he needed to cut and run. He's shot up, missing parts, leaking oil with structural damage to both wings and yet he flies to the fight. The other was its obviously personal and "no quarter"...the guy is basically flying the black flag...
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Basically, your entire post can be boiled down to "I don't like him because he doesn't fight the way I want him to fight". Isn't that really your point?
Nope... basically he is saying when you fly a plane you will never improve if you don't push the envelope of that aircraft. The fella in the 38 did not know much about it. If he did he would not blame his tactics on his plane.
Snaphook... great AAR post, good read :aok