Hilarious "Tactic"

[Mace2004]

I love that report Snap, I think it shows that AH is a better simulator that we give it credit for at times.  I count, just from Whisner, two ho's and two chute shootings.  He was hit several times with 20mm and didn't go down so he obviously had a "cheat" and fighting over the field, he was an ack hugger.  On the other hand, the Germans were in a horde, and the 109's were picking alt monkeys.

Channel 200: 
Axis1: wtfg whis....u ack hugging hoing chute shooting cheat.
Whis:  what are you talking about?  you guys ever fly in anything but a horde?  you don't expect me to ho when we're outnumbered like that?
Axis2:  I tried to avoid the ho but that's all you can do you skilless dweeb
Whis:  hey, you turned into me and gave me the shot...learn some tactics to avoid the ho
Axis3: so why'd you shoot me in my chute?  what a classless bastage
Whis:  :-)
Axis4: whis should change his name to wuss...i was dragging him out for a little 1v1 and he turned his runstang and ran back to his base to land his kills and see his name in lights.  guess he couldn't handle a real fight without all his buddies and ack
Axis5: yeah, whis has always been a score wh__re
Whis:  u guys coming back or have you given up on Y29?  If you're coming back i'll up a 110 and then we'll see some real hoing ;-)

[humble]

It is hardly easy, and the high-speed E fighting tactics that people claim are the easy way to do so, ain't. The absolute easiest way to rack up many kills over a short period of time is a good turning bird+cannons+a fight with many low and slow bandits (CV fights fulfill these requirements to perfection.) The K/D may be merely a good 2-3 from a steady diet of such engagements but the other numbers will be higher than easily obtainable by any other reasonable method.

Which is not to imply that certain feats like successfully flying an A-20 against a CAP of Spits and N1Ks is anything but very difficult.

1st doing anything in this game "really well" on a consistent basis isn't "easy"...but there is no specific skill required to rack up kills. Now to me initially +E fighting is conceptually challenging for a newer player since it requires both the use of out of plane maneuvering and lag pursuit curves combined with some throttle, flap and control surface manipulation. To someone who was started poorly (the typical "start with the spitty" concept) this can be a lot of information to process. However in the end controlling a fight from a position of tactical advantage just isnt that difficult. No one would view the SBD as a "threat" yet the odds of surviving a good stick in a high SBD is very poor. The basic concept of attack until your advantage significantly diminishes and then reposition isnt difficult and its no coincidence that the highest ranked pilot in WW2 and highest surviving ace in ww1 flew this way. If I was doing this for real thats what I would do...if I could. But what if I couldnt? What if I didnt have alt, E and the better plane? I'd look to learn what strengths my ride had and exploit them. Swede Vejtasa wasnt hanging around the bridge of the Yorktown lobbying for CAP duty....but he ended up flying CAP with his SBD's regardless. The A-20 engaged in numerous air to air combats simply becuase the other option was just to die without trying.

I upped a ki-61 this am for a quick sweep. I ended up with 6 kills and had just shot the rudder off a yak and was going back up and over to finish him when I lost UDP. I can cobble the clips together but basically would most likely be a 8+ kill hop with no problems. Now I flew this with more of a score "intent" then normal looking for an area that had some action but no true horde. nothing wrong with the "coffee break" style of flying but it is what it is...high reward, minimal risk.

[humble]

 

I love that report Snap, I think it shows that AH is a better simulator that we give it credit for at times.  I count, just from Whisner, two ho's and two chute shootings.  He was hit several times with 20mm and didn't go down so he obviously had a "cheat" and fighting over the field, he was an ack hugger.  On the other hand, the Germans were in a hoard, and the 109's were picking alt monkeys.

Channel 200: 
Axis1: wtfg whis....u ack hugging hoing chute shooting cheat.
Whis:  what are you talking about?  you guys ever fly in anything but a hoard?  you don't expect me to ho when we're outnumbered like that?
Axis2:  I tried to avoid the ho but that's all you can do you skilless dweeb
Whis:  hey, you turned into me and gave me the shot...learn some tactics to avoid the ho
Axis3: so why'd you shoot me in my chute?  what a classless bastage
Whis:  :-)
Axis4: whis should change his name to wuss...i was dragging him out for a little 1v1 and he turned his runstang and ran back to his base to land his kills and see his name in lights.  guess he couldn't handle a real fight without all his buddies and ack
Axis5: yeah, whis has always been a score potato
Whis:  u guys coming back or have you given up on Y29?  If you're coming back i'll up a 110 and then we'll see some real hoing ;-)

[Spikes]

I prefer the spit1 over the hurri1. Fightn a hurri1 with it can be a chore at times.

Yeah. Had a hell of a fight with Shuffler in his 38J vs my Spit 1.  Lasted a good 5-10 minutes. I could tell he was having a hard time as was I. Trying to keep that plane steady at slow speeds is horrendous. The film viewer doesn't show what rudder movements I was going through. A bunch of times it felt like I was floating at 10mph in mid air. Shuffler put up a hell of a fight considering the dings I was giving him.

[BnZs]

Except that no how much alt, E, or "control" you have over the fight, some match-ups (Like 190 vs. Spit, for example) are like gunning for a close-breaking bird with a movement disorder. With a 10lbs. weight attached to the barrel of your shotgun. 

I also stand by a statement I've made before, when people talk about how easy it is to rack up numbers, I think only tiny % could rack up numbers like Steve or Shawk with any plane or flying style.

1st doing anything in this game "really well" on a consistent basis isn't "easy"...but there is no specific skill required to rack up kills. Now to me initially +E fighting is conceptually challenging for a newer player since it requires both the use of out of plane maneuvering and lag pursuit curves combined with some throttle, flap and control surface manipulation. To someone who was started poorly (the typical "start with the spitty" concept) this can be a lot of information to process. However in the end controlling a fight from a position of tactical advantage just isnt that difficult. No one would view the SBD as a "threat" yet the odds of surviving a good stick in a high SBD is very poor. The basic concept of attack until your advantage significantly diminishes and then reposition isnt difficult and its no coincidence that the highest ranked pilot in WW2 and highest surviving ace in ww1 flew this way. If I was doing this for real thats what I would do...if I could. But what if I couldnt? What if I didnt have alt, E and the better plane? I'd look to learn what strengths my ride had and exploit them. Swede Vejtasa wasnt hanging around the bridge of the Yorktown lobbying for CAP duty....but he ended up flying CAP with his SBD's regardless. The A-20 engaged in numerous air to air combats simply becuase the other option was just to die without trying.

I upped a ki-61 this am for a quick sweep. I ended up with 6 kills and had just shot the rudder off a yak and was going back up and over to finish him when I lost UDP. I can cobble the clips together but basically would most likely be a 8+ kill hop with no problems. Now I flew this with more of a score "intent" then normal looking for an area that had some action but no true horde. nothing wrong with the "coffee break" style of flying but it is what it is...high reward, minimal risk.

[WWM]

What you usually end up defending is usually not the subject at hand.  I was in MW that particular night and there was one particular P-38 that would come into FT at 8K while everyone else was 2 k.  He racked up several kills and I witnessed him get a kill on Dedalos...quite a difficult job if you have ever fought Dedalos.  He shot/picked/BnZed me twice. Tired of it, I climbed up in a 109F coalt and found him quite easily.(the only one BnZing/picking)  He tried to rope me but I ended up on his 6 so he dove for his base and tried dragging me through ack and when I turned off he turned back so I turned back and he gave me a face full of P-38.  I finally gave up on my fun little fights I had going on with friends at 2K and upped a Spit 8 climbing to 10K.   I announced to everyone I was not engaging anyone fighting and was only hunting said pickers (of course he claimed he had to BnZ because he was "flying to his planes capabilities)    After announcing this, said P-38 climbed to 10 K to try to sneak in on me while I was watching below.  He missed his opportunity and in 1 turn I was on his 6 again.  He dives at a 45 and I follow peppering him to about 5K then regain my alt for more picker hunting.  He immediately declares if this is what MW has turned into (a dueling arena) we could have it and he left.   Unhappy I would not allow him to hover 5 K above a fight and BnZ those people actually fighting.

[humble]

Except that no how much alt, E, or "control" you have over the fight, some match-ups (Like 190 vs. Spit, for example) are like gunning for a close-breaking bird with a movement disorder. With a 10lbs. weight attached to the barrel of your shotgun. 

I also stand by a statement I've made before, when people talk about how easy it is to rack up numbers, I think only tiny % could rack up numbers like Steve or Shawk with any plane or flying style.

Both Steve and Shawk are quality sticks with good overall skills, as for 190 vs spit...the 190 never loses unless it makes a major mistake.

[dentin]

, as for 190 vs spit...the 190 never loses unless it makes a major mistake.

Perhaps the "major mistake" ( or a multitude of small mistakes) apply s to all situations involving combat between similar/dissimilar A/C...imho...fwiw..ymmv., etc, etc

[humble]

Perhaps the "major mistake" ( or a multitude of small mistakes) apply s to all situations involving combat between similar/dissimilar A/C...imho...fwiw..ymmv., etc, etc

without a doubt, in fact all the inferior plane can do is attempt to entice a mistake. In fact if we look at the good E fighters its a common trait that they actually sit on the "trap" not the initial move, so at a higher level it becomes a game of false traps with the reality that the moment the superior plane feels exposed he resets.

[Mace2004]

What you usually end up defending is usually not the subject at hand.  I was in MW that particular night and there was one particular P-38 that would come into FT at 8K while everyone else was 2 k.  He racked up several kills and I witnessed him get a kill on Dedalos...quite a difficult job if you have ever fought Dedalos.  He shot/picked/BnZed me twice. Tired of it, I climbed up in a 109F coalt and found him quite easily.(the only one BnZing/picking)  He tried to rope me but I ended up on his 6 so he dove for his base and tried dragging me through ack and when I turned off he turned back so I turned back and he gave me a face full of P-38.  I finally gave up on my fun little fights I had going on with friends at 2K and upped a Spit 8 climbing to 10K.   I announced to everyone I was not engaging anyone fighting and was only hunting said pickers (of course he claimed he had to BnZ because he was "flying to his planes capabilities)    After announcing this, said P-38 climbed to 10 K to try to sneak in on me while I was watching below.  He missed his opportunity and in 1 turn I was on his 6 again.  He dives at a 45 and I follow peppering him to about 5K then regain my alt for more picker hunting.  He immediately declares if this is what MW has turned into (a dueling arena) we could have it and he left.   Unhappy I would not allow him to hover 5 K above a fight and BnZ those people actually fighting.

Basically, your entire post can be boiled down to "I don't like him because he doesn't fight the way I want him to fight".  Isn't that really your point? 

[BnZs]

Both Steve and Shawk are quality sticks with good overall skills, as for 190 vs spit...the 190 never loses unless it makes a major mistake.

Not losing is not the same as winning. 

[WWM]

Basically, your entire post can be boiled down to "I don't like him because he doesn't fight the way I want him to fight".  Isn't that really your point? 

Not at all...good card to throw out though.   It was in FT and around 12-15 people were there all coming in right off the fields at about 2 k.  Everyone was having fun fighting in a semi equal playing field.  IMO he was borderline on grieving others fun...may not have been his intent.  Suspicious he decided to leave whenever I intended to come co-alt or even turn the alt advantage around on him though.   There were other battles going on elsewhere where a 8-10k P-38 would have had a better fight and not just milking kills (which was part of the point) / spoiling other fights.    I know you like to fly with an alt advantage in a P-38 as well but at least you will engage a 1v1 and I haven't seen you just seeking cherries....but I also haven't flown around you a great deal.

[BnZs]

I have a question:

I have no idea what wickedness this guy was doing. If he was going about clearing the twelve o'clocks of friendlies...well, in their place I'd certainly complain about it.

But...here's the thing..knowing your villain was in a P-38, why did you not choose the P-51B, a plane from which the P-38 could not *possibly* run away from which also has similar turning? Why did you instead you choose two aircraft (one of them perked in MW IIRC) who have a large advantage in rate of turn, radius of turn, and rate of climb-In short, almost every advantage *except* top speed?

What you usually end up defending is usually not the subject at hand.  I was in MW that particular night and there was one particular P-38 that would come into FT at 8K while everyone else was 2 k.  He racked up several kills and I witnessed him get a kill on Dedalos...quite a difficult job if you have ever fought Dedalos.  He shot/picked/BnZed me twice. Tired of it, I climbed up in a 109F coalt and found him quite easily.(the only one BnZing/picking)  He tried to rope me but I ended up on his 6 so he dove for his base and tried dragging me through ack and when I turned off he turned back so I turned back and he gave me a face full of P-38.  I finally gave up on my fun little fights I had going on with friends at 2K and upped a Spit 8 climbing to 10K.   I announced to everyone I was not engaging anyone fighting and was only hunting said pickers (of course he claimed he had to BnZ because he was "flying to his planes capabilities)    After announcing this, said P-38 climbed to 10 K to try to sneak in on me while I was watching below.  He missed his opportunity and in 1 turn I was on his 6 again.  He dives at a 45 and I follow peppering him to about 5K then regain my alt for more picker hunting.  He immediately declares if this is what MW has turned into (a dueling arena) we could have it and he left.   Unhappy I would not allow him to hover 5 K above a fight and BnZ those people actually fighting.

[Bruv119]

"Well done old chap. Now I shall hold allow you 5 minutes to retract flaps and accelerate that beast back up to fighting speed, and my horde of flying monkeys shall stay out of the engagement, to keep everything cricket"

Maybe If the server was hosted in London around 1938   

[BnZs]

 

Maybe If the server was hosted in London around 1938