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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: TwentyFo on December 29, 2008, 05:39:10 PM
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Earlier today while flying around the virtual sky of Aces High, I posed the question of: Who is the better squad?
Unfortunately, no conclusion was reached about these very elite bish squads. These squads have mastered all aspects of the game and have become a significant force to recon with. The Rolling Thunder missions are very well organized and can strike anywhere at any time. The Jokers Missions are similar, except that some of the pilots seem to be newer pilots that have yet to master the game. (Joker's keep training them they will get there, it just takes time). I would say that the Rolling Thunder are a little better in GV's, namely Jax999 and GrEric. I think everyone would agree that the Jokers are better defenders on an all around basis.
When both of these squads join forces everyone better watch out. I've seen it only a few times, but they are nearly unstoppable. The genuine respect both squads have offered toward the squad I'm in, The Lynchmob, is unparalleled. Everytime I think about comparing the 2 squads I seem to come up with Rolling Thunder barely edging out Jokers. It's just my opinion and nothing personal.
<S> Look forward to flying and dying with everyone involved <S>
What do you guys think about who is the better squad?
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Never heard about both of them... :noid
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I say let them get on apposing sides and find out? I know crazy talk.
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I say let them get on apposing sides and find out? I know crazy talk.
Yea that's what I was thinking. I would pay to see those clash :rock
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Unfortunately, no conclusion was reached about these very elite bish squads. These squads have mastered all aspects of the game and have become a significant force to recon with.
*snicker*
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huh? I have only seen the steam roll aspect...
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Wow must be some new ones..... all aspects huh?
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Yea that's what I was thinking. I would pay to see those clash :rock
You mean watch bases swap sides when nobody is looking right? ;)
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This is a tossup, it depends on what exactly you are looking for. My opinion is this. I find the food better at Rolling Thunders, especially the way they bring you hot buttery rolls right from the oven, and while the service is fine it is not as "personable" as the service at Jokers Jokers. Perhaps they think the hot buttery rolls is enough? I don't know for sure. While the entrees at RT's are better, I just love the dessert selection at JJ's!!! MMMMM MMMMM Nothing like good cheesecake!
Tomorrow I will tell you who I think has a cleaner restroom!
Hope this helps!
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Wow must be some new ones..... all aspects huh?
I don't think that I've ever run into members from either squad where the fight was easy. I've lost to them and won against them. One thing for sure is that they are hella good sticks.
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Hoards
wrongway
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the only one I ever fought from either that was a decent stick was Sirloin (he is really good)...other than that... :rolleyes:
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I`can only hope that the original post was done sarcastically.
If not, my first response was, who cares?
To be a hero of the cartoon real estate business in a cartoon air combat sim, amounts to a whole lotta nothing.
The more important question is are they having fun? That's how you grade the success of a squad as far as I'm concerned.
We are just cartoon pilots, sitting at our computers pretending after all :)
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Why bring these squads into it? I'm not here to vouch for either one of them, but chances are, like most squads, they probably prefer to do their own thing and be left alone. Their 15$$.
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Why bring these squads into it? I'm not here to vouch for either one of them, but chances are, like most squads, they probably prefer to do their own thing and be left alone. Their 15$$.
Well, you wouldn't have much of an opinion of them because you were kicked out of both.
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Well, you wouldn't have an opinion of them because you were kicked out of both.
I wouldn't have an opinion? If I had been in them, it means I have almost as good of an opinion of them as a member of them.
Never joined the Jokers, and I'm cool with both of them, I'm still good friends with almost everyone of both squads. How about we bring the lynchmob into it? I don't think Smokey23, or Shukes, both friends, would be happy with it.
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Is this a paid advertisement? :huh
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I`can only hope that the original post was done sarcastically.
C'mon now, it's 24 ;)
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I've never had much interaction with either. But I can say that while on my squad's country tour every time I was in range of a Joker my ears started to bleed..... :noid
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I've never had much interaction with either. But I can say that while on my squad's country tour every time I was in range of a Joker my ears started to bleed..... :noid
What would he say?
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SSSSQQQQQUUUEEEEEEKKKKKK!
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Hmmm... I'm a Bish and I don't even know who's in those squads. In fact I don't know who's in any Bish squads. Bish have squads?
No opinion.
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For what it's worth, these guys would be way way down my list of "elite Squads".
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For what it's worth, these guys would be way way down my list of "elite Squads".
Why do you think that?
They are consitently the ones taking bases and causing havoc.
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I really only rated one thing as really bad when on the bish. And that was 24's "singing"....oh the agony. It made me wanna slam my coconuts in a car door.
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Both squads use gigantic hordes to take bases out in the middle of nowhere where no one can will ever see flashing because it is too far from the action.
I have nothing against either squad, and I thoroughly enjoy flying with both when I am ever a bish...just stating the facts.
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The genuine respect both squads have offered toward the squad I'm in, The Lynchmob, is unparalleled.
Translation "I enjoyed having my back patted...now I'm gonna do some serious back patting in return...in the hope of maybe receiving more back patting myself" :aok
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:aok
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Why do you think that?
They are consitently the ones taking bases and causing havoc.
Well grasshoppa....you obviously don't get it because you think the measure of a squad is "taking bases and causing havoc". Get a few more seasons under your belt and, perhaps, you will see the folly of your ways. :)
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[hijack]Hey NB...I got accused of being your shade account the other day....was quite hilarious[/hijack]
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[hijack]Hey NB...I got accused of being your shade account the other day....was quite hilarious[/hijack]
SOK...I'm often accused of being Fidel's shade. Just shows how silly folks can be....we look nothing alike!!:)
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If only you were there..I'll give you a hint of who it was.....Early War Green Arena
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LOL, I really think it's a divide and conquer type question. All I will say is Joker, Sirloin, Hoagie, Seano, and Ghi are all great sticks. Joker, Ghi, Seano, and Gruesome are excellent mission planners. No doubt in my mind that they are an outstanding asset to the Bishops. Jokers and Rolling Thunder rarely work together. We sometimes join their missions and they sometimes join ours. Mostly we compliment each other by running missions simultaneously.
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SOK...I'm often accused of being Fidel's shade. Just shows how silly folks can be....we look nothing alike!!:)
Fidel....Just the name still makes me shudder :uhoh :noid
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SNIP
What do you guys think about who is the better squad?
In the words of McEnroe ...you gotta be kidding man! Rolling blunder has 2 of the 3 guys I've witnessed baned for the "H" word.
Strokers have admitted in a couple of threads to using spying as a tactic. 1 was caught perk farming but hey! he was showing a newbie how to play :rolleyes:
Come the **** on guy ....get a gripe of what goes on with these guys.
If it was war. If it was life and death. If it was for money. If it was to save your ladies honour I could understand these less than equal tactics but it's a ****ing game man........who's the best?......Jesus ffs!....none of the above by a transatlantic margin to a queer in a swingers night club.
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I`can only hope that the original post was done sarcastically.
If not, my first response was, who cares?
To be a hero of the cartoon real estate business in a cartoon air combat sim, amounts to a whole lotta nothing.
The more important question is are they having fun? That's how you grade the success of a squad as far as I'm concerned.
We are just cartoon pilots, sitting at our computers pretending after all :)
THIS reply says it all..I dont look at it as a competition,I look at it as fun for the squad,and for the country..
Jokers do their thing and we do ours,and sometimes we meet in the middle,albeit rarely.
I do not believe that either squad does anything that any other country does not do also..
Rolling Thunder has been a year in the making,and we are good at what we do,which is,
HAVE FUN the way we want too.
I can think of a few other squads..LTAR'S,BOPS,SE's,GROUND POUNDERS,just to name a few that give the bish "flavor"...
Falcon23 :salute
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THIS reply says it all..I dont look at it as a competition,I look at it as fun for the squad,and for the country..
Jokers do their thing and we do ours,and sometimes we meet in the middle,albeit rarely.
I do not believe that either squad does anything that any other country does not do also..
Rolling Thunder has been a year in the making,and we are good at what we do,which is,
HAVE FUN the way we want too.
I can think of a few other squads..LTAR'S,BOPS,SE's,GROUND POUNDERS,just to name a few that give the bish "flavor"...
Falcon23 :salute
Well said. You can add Swamp Dragons too.
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This is kind of like comparing farts
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Hmmm... I'm a Bish and I don't even know who's in those squads. In fact I don't know who's in any Bish squads. Bish have squads?
No opinion.
Living on an Island.....song there somewhere.
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Don't forget the 13th Midwest boys or those DICKWEED's!
Well said. You can add Swamp Dragons too.
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For some reason this thread reminds me of the "ShamWow" commercial, stay with me here cameraguy
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This is kind of like comparing farts
....and you say that as if it were a bad thing??? :eek:
24... you have a slanted view of what squads do to make themselves "good". You seem to think it's all about "winning". In the end, it isn't. It's about entertainment. A great squad will not only entertain its members and countrymen...but their opponents as well. IMO, THAT is the factor that is most lacking in the game today.
Yah, I can remember the days when squads advertised missions to insure competition. These days, so many folks are looking to win by avoiding competition that its simply sad. Well....a new year is coming. Perhaps things will get better....(better=less win and more fight). :salute
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Don't forget the 13th Midwest boys or those DICKWEED's!
Darn me, I forgot the Dickweeds. Those are a great bunch with Turbo and Greenegl.
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Why do you think that?
They are consitently the ones taking bases and causing havoc.
The fact you think taking bases has anything to do with elitism means we are operating
with completely different definitions of the term.
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If only you were there..I'll give you a hint of who it was.....Early War Green Arena
aaaah...it was sparky. He wasn't "accusing" you. He just hadn't had anyone besides me turn a gurlicane inside his zero. :D
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Having flown with a good majority of squads from all three countrys in FSO , SEC , Snapshots and etc. I am of the opinion that there are more than a few good squads with great guys in them . I believe the measure of a squad is its ability to have fun and the friendship of ite members . Besides where else could folks that have the same common interest get together to play a game like this one .
Nutte
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Apparently Jokers Jokers and Rolling Thunder are doing their job, some of you guys have a unique misunderstanding of what we are and what we do and dislike us for that "I kinda like that" and also your perspectives of this game are limited in scope and juvenile. This game was designed to do what we do, the fact is that we use the tools provided to us by HTC to meet our goals within the rules and if you don't, that I'm sorry to say, is your problem. :D
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In the words of McEnroe ...you gotta be kidding man! Rolling blunder has 2 of the 3 guys I've witnessed baned for the "H" word.
Strokers have admitted in a couple of threads to using spying as a tactic. 1 was caught perk farming but hey! he was showing a newbie how to play :rolleyes:
Come the **** on guy ....get a gripe of what goes on with these guys.
If it was war. If it was life and death. If it was for money. If it was to save your ladies honour I could understand these less than equal tactics but it's a ****ing game man........who's the best?......Jesus ffs!....none of the above by a transatlantic margin to a queer in a swingers night club.
I have no idea what you're saying Lynx. However I will address the Rolling Blunder comment. Obviously we're effective at what we do or you would not have said such a thing. Therefore we don't blunder. I'm not sure who got banned for what.
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Spin baby spin.
:rofl
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This thread needs....a chicken dance!
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I would hate to be biased in my decision. Your suckage factor is equal in all respects lol :aok
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I dont have an opinion on wether one squad is better than the other i am ,or was friends with both of these squads CO's although we have had our moments. I still enjoy either flyin with them or against them. :salute
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This game was designed to do what we do, the fact is that we use the tools provided to us by HTC to meet our goals within the rules and if you don't, that I'm sorry to say, is your problem. :D
Within the rules? Negate common courtesy and to the devil be damned fair play? Is this score, is this territory, is this win or loose. Get a ****ing grip man. What your saying is juvenile and akin to looking at a blind mans cards when playing poker.
Take away ya childish thoughts and come back when the curlies start to grey.....thinks it's gonna take ya that long.
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I have no idea what you're saying Lynx. However I will address the Rolling Blunder comment. Obviously we're effective at what we do or you would not have said such a thing. Therefore we don't blunder. I'm not sure who got banned for what.
How sweet! ...you must be new. Yaks to 6k in less than 30 seconds....heavens none of your squaddies mentioned it. How many wings still remain 3 or just 2 now?.
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How sweet! ...you must be new. Yaks to 6k in less than 30 seconds....heavens none of your squaddies mentioned it. How many wings still remain 3 or just 2 now?.
I think I now understand the term Troll.
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Within the rules? Negate common courtesy and to the devil be damned fair play? Is this score, is this territory, is this win or loose. Get a ****ing grip man. What your saying is juvenile and akin to looking at a blind mans cards when playing poker.
Take away ya childish thoughts and come back when the curlies start to grey.....thinks it's gonna take ya that long.
I knew you would respond I must have hit a nerve, your right we should not win the maps we should fly the same map over and over again and once again we should play the game only the way you see it. I think not young man, you have no idea how old I am and I do not criticize your game play until you criticize mine. By the way define fair play as you see it.
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Within the rules? Negate common courtesy and to the devil be damned fair play? Is this score, is this territory, is this win or loose. Get a ****ing grip man. What your saying is juvenile and akin to looking at a blind mans cards when playing poker.
Take away ya childish thoughts and come back when the curlies start to grey.....thinks it's gonna take ya that long.
My "curlies" started to grey a long time ago. Matter of fact they are all GREY. You talk like your some sort of all knowing saint. Just goes to figure!! When I look at some of the juvenile posts in this forums, I then just have to look at the source, and then chuckle.
Fred's Opinion
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Both squads are equally good for my stats.
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Both squads are equally good for my stats.
:rofl :rofl Good, sure didn't want RT to have an edge there. :salute
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Don't understand why LYNX is slamming RT, The Blind Bats are base takers alot like them, Blind Bats just milkrun more. I think RT and JJs are good guys, I only get upset when they come and take a base where I'm furballing. Other than that they're easy to get along with
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I think I now understand the term Troll.
Does the word "troll" translat as easy as Gullable, Naive, Venerable.... ask the questions within the Blunders who got banned and why?
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Does the word "troll" translat as easy as Gullable, Naive, Venerable.... ask the questions within the Blunders who got banned and why?
Kids, this why you shouldn't use drugs.
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Does the word "troll" translat as easy as Gullable, Naive, Venerable.... ask the questions within the Blunders who got banned and why?
Einstein posted again. Still chuckling. :lol
Fred
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Half on topic.. one member of Jokers just explained to me via PM how much I suck at attacking buffs after I shot him down (Your'e moves are sooo easy to read"). Then he jumped to rooks to take command of a CV attacking a Bish base to steer it away from base.
So I'd say... Jokers "win" ... for now :D
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aaaah...it was sparky. He wasn't "accusing" you. He just hadn't had anyone besides me turn a gurlicane inside his zero. :D
lol...how'd you know that i did that? :lol
but you are 100% correct
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Half on topic.. one member of Jokers just explained to me via PM how much I suck at attacking buffs after I shot him down (Your'e moves are sooo easy to read"). Then he jumped to rooks to take command of a CV attacking a Bish base to steer it away from base.
So I'd say... Jokers "win" ... for now :D
pm me the name please :D
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Rolling Thunder and Joker's Jokers are the same squad; they go where they can take a base without difficulty, often NOE, and always in large numbers. Deciding who is better is a lot like deciding who is better at playing Solitair, it doesn't matter since they didn't want opposition anyway. Unfortunately, I'm finding more and more squads with this type of behavior lately.
Before you tool shedders attack me, there are some good gents in those two squadrons and there are some nice gents who toolshed as well, but they are exception and not the rule.
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Does the word "troll" translat as easy as Gullable, Naive, Venerable.... ask the questions within the Blunders who got banned and why?
Who got banned I don't know from what and for what? Is this the only thing you can say, other than some of your choice words like "troll" oooh that hurts :rofl
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Half on topic.. one member of Jokers just explained to me via PM how much I suck at attacking buffs after I shot him down (Your'e moves are sooo easy to read"). Then he jumped to rooks to take command of a CV attacking a Bish base to steer it away from base.
So I'd say... Jokers "win" ... for now :D
If that's the metric, 24 takes the cake.
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If that's the metric, 24 takes the cake.
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:rofl :rofl :rofl Sorry 24 but it is kind of funny. That's why I don't taunt.
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Rolling Thunder and Joker's Jokers are the same squad; they go where they can take a base without difficulty, often NOE, and always in large numbers. Deciding who is better is a lot like deciding who is better at playing Solitair, it doesn't matter since they didn't want opposition anyway. Unfortunately, I'm finding more and more squads with this type of behavior lately.
Before you tool shedders attack me, there are some good gents in those two squadrons and there are some nice gents who toolshed as well, but they are exception and not the rule.
Yes Rolling Thunder does alot of NOE missions but what is not entirely true is that we avoid opposition and I feel same goes for Jokers Jokers, we will defend bases and do fighter sweeps no matter what the opposition, if you where in the squad you would know this to be true.
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Yes Rolling Thunder does alot of NOE missions but what is not entirely true is that we avoid opposition
If you are going NOE, you are deliberately trying to avoid opposition.
Think about it. :aok
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If you are going NOE, you are deliberately trying to avoid opposition.
Think about it. :aok
Damn Deli....leave it to you to play the logic card!!!! :rofl
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This is kind of like comparing farts
:rofl
This thread needs....a chicken dance!
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If you are going NOE, you are deliberately trying to avoid opposition.
Think about it. :aok
Dccboss had that seperated btw. He said "not entirely". And he's right we do fighter sweeps and the In-Your-Face missions. Neither of the latter avoids the enemy.
The logic card is great when used correctly.
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If you are going NOE, you are deliberately trying to avoid opposition.
Think about it. :aok
Yes your are right when flying NOE but what I was saying was that we also fly other type missions which do not avoid the opposition.
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Dccboss had that seperated btw. He said "not entirely".
Here is the quote
Rolling Thunder does alot of NOE missions but what is not entirely true is that we avoid opposition
The very reason to do NOE missions is to avoid opposition, no? The fact that 'a lot' of missions are NOE means 'a lot' of the time RT is not looking for opposition.
Sounds pretty logical to me.
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Here is a nice quote, perfect for the discussion.
Think of it this way, if the element of surprise is so overwellming that there is no way to defend against, then that is the path of least resistance, and hence will become the primary mode of attack. That is the state of affairs as it stood previously with big maps.
Now there are NOE raids that do not cause this, I.E. NOE raids to acheive singular objectives, I.E. hitting cities, factories, possibly 1 open field deep in enemy territory. But if all objectives can be taken by NOE raids, IT creates non defensible game play.
2nd it easy to say, well people should just defend then. Think about what it really takes to defend against NOE raids, and do you really want to do that defense.
To defend successfully at NOE raids, you need more than 1 player.
2nd to defend against them you have to sit in the tower, waiting for the base to flash, and then up soon as it does.
Does that defense sound fun to you ? I.E. do you really want to just wait in tower for something that might or might not occur? Sure if you new a NOE mission was otw, but didn't know where it might be fun. But not where you don't even know if one is going to occur.
Hence what we are talking about is simply balance. I see where NOE raids can be fun, but we have to have a system where they do not become the path of least resistance for base capture.
HiTech
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Rolling Thunder and Joker's Jokers are the same squad; they go where they can take a base without difficulty, often NOE, and always in large numbers. Deciding who is better is a lot like deciding who is better at playing Solitair, it doesn't matter since they didn't want opposition anyway. Unfortunately, I'm finding more and more squads with this type of behavior lately.
Before you tool shedders attack me, there are some good gents in those two squadrons and there are some nice gents who toolshed as well, but they are exception and not the rule.
You can't send two guys to take a base at alt. One in goon and one in, Heck I don't know what one plane can take down a whole town while fighting off cons. All sides use NOE's. Heck I learned the term as a rook. All sides send in a large mission to take bases as well. One plane can ruin an noe but it takes many to stop an altitude raid. You folks remember the Airmegeddon squad. Huge Rook squad! Use to send 60 players to take 2 bases at a time. Unfortunately they collapsed from too much weight I guess. There are many good guys in Jokers and Rolling Thunder. If they weren't then I know at least they wouldn't be in Rolling Thunder. They just don't last. I can tell you flying with Dadsguns, DccBoss, Wingnutt, Jarbo, Falcon, and about everyone else is just darn fun and can be hilarious.
I wouldn't attack you Deli, I have no cause. Right now anyway. You're just calling it as you see it. But explain something to me and forgive my ignorance. What's a toolshedder? I fear I might be one. :rofl :rofl
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Here is a nice quote, perfect for the discussion.
I love it when someone uses old posts. It really gets the point across. I guess in the Aces High fantasy world things never change. I can post a few about Combat Tour.
Still chuckling. :lol
Fred
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Here is the quote
The very reason to do NOE missions is to avoid opposition, no? The fact that 'a lot' of missions are NOE means 'a lot' of the time RT is not looking for opposition.
Sounds pretty logical to me.
I read it, but read his entire statement again. He said "Not entirely" and that we do other missions. So yeah NOE's avoid opposition but like he said we do other things too.
BTW, I have waited by town expecting NOE's. Several month's back I gave a list of what to expect prior to an noe. Let me go over what to look for and you can add your own.
1. You see a single fighter coming to the base
2. The opposing base is suddenly vacant where there once was a good sized dar bar.
3. The opposing base has been resupplied fast. (Not always)
4. Some one has taken out the vh. Again not always.
These are just a few I can remember. I need to look that up when I get a chance.
I use to live to discover NOE's I would take rockets to shoot at them. Once took out 5 arabian knights with rockets doing an noe. My point is NOE's fail as often as they succeed. Just be vigilant.
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That is exactly why I posted Hitech's quote, even if it is old is still accurately describes the whole problem with NOEs. I used Hitech's quote because no one can really argue with the game designer, least not win the argument anyway.
to defend against them you have to sit in the tower, waiting for the base to flash, and then up soon as it does.Does that defense sound fun to you ? I.E. do you really want to just wait in tower for something that might or might not occur? Sure if you new a NOE mission was otw, but didn't know where it might be fun. But not where you don't even know if one is going to occur.
You must be one of the few that sit in the tower for hours on end waiting for them, I am not one of those individuals. Frankly, as long missions don't bother with the field I'm at, those missions can take every base on the map.
You must have more patience than I do. :)
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I wouldn't attack you Deli, I have no cause. Right now anyway. You're just calling it as you see it. But explain something to me and forgive my ignorance. What's a toolshedder? I fear I might be one. :rofl :rofl
A`good example would be the F4U drivers I ran into the other night. They had alt and E, passed over the top of my easy target 38, ran into the base to drop their bombs, then had no clue what to do as I shot the 4 of them down. They did not come back as there was 'resistance' in the shape of 1 guy in a FP and myself. They were so bad they made me look good, and I ended up landing, which as anyone can tell you is a very rare occurrence.
Their goal was clearly to try and get an undefended base, and when it was, they didn't want anything to do with it.
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That is exactly why I posted Hitech's quote, even if it is old is still accurately describes the whole problem with NOEs. I used Hitech's quote because no one can really argue with the game designer, least not win the argument anyway.
I'll agree with your above statement. I do have one question? Who says there is a problem, at least with the game? I actually like the game. I only see the complaints from same "old" few.
Fred
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That is exactly why I posted Hitech's quote, even if it is old is still accurately describes the whole problem with NOEs. I used Hitech's quote because no one can really argue with the game designer, least not win the argument anyway.
You must be one of the few that sit in the tower for hours on end waiting for them, I am not one of those individuals. Frankly, as long missions don't bother with the field I'm at, those missions can take every base on the map.
You must have more patience than I do. :)
Oh boy do I have patience. My squaddies will tell you I am nuts in that regard. However back to the point. What I do is look for a vulnerable base, maybe one that they have successfully ran noe missions to before. Then I grab a F4U4, some other f4U variant that carries rockets, or Pony. I climb out to the dar ring and fly around. Maybe even engage another con or at least make him run. Sometimes I fly out of the sector to make them think I am leaving the area. I tell you busting an NOE is some of the most fun you will ever have. Low cons, no E just sweet sweet kills. Usually many fat 110s and nice pokey goons. Yum!! Last NOE I busted I got 6 kills and of course sounded the alarm. Not a record by any means but enough that they came gunning for me. :rofl :rofl
Guppy I saw your post on landing. Gawd I laughed until I cried. However I don't judge your flying skills by the post but you do have a great since of humor.
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Here is a nice quote, perfect for the discussion.
Delirium, don't think it's up to you to tell them how they should play the game and spend their 15$$.
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Delirium, don't think it's up to you to tell them how they should play the game and spend their 15$$.
Don't see where he is telling them to play any particular way. Quoting the game designer on his thoughts on NOE and the game is hardly that.
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Don't see where he is telling them to play any particular way. Quoting the game designer on his thoughts on NOE and the game is hardly that.
I don't mean for it to sound so well, rude but all he's telling them is, that they stink, and that what they're doing possible can't be any fun.
Honestly, no other way to say it though than that.
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If that's the metric, 24 takes the cake.
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Yea...if you like photo shopped pictures
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I find 50 guys horde swarming vacant fields about as interesting as two male pigs getting it on at the slop bucket. Asking which pig is better or wears prettier lipstick doesn't change the simple truth they're both pigs with or without the lipstick... ;)
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I find 50 guys horde swarming vacant fields about as interesting as two male pigs getting it on at the slop bucket. Asking which pig is better or wears prettier lipstick doesn't change the simple truth they're both pigs with or without the lipstick... ;)
Jeez Zazen13, you must be able to come up with something better than this. I have read your stuff. I have a quote from you in my sig. Please something better. :)
Awaiting,
Fred
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24 you have gone up in my estimation :aok
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We had a hella battle the other night in blue where several NOE sneaks have been thwarted.( our squad defending and eventually some WOT sticks joined in).
Beating them down to their own attacking base is very gratifying but what kills it is that they get too timid to fight and the horde goes and attacks some base wayy off in the distance.
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I find 50 guys horde swarming vacant fields about as interesting as two male pigs getting it on at the slop bucket. Asking which pig is better or wears prettier lipstick doesn't change the simple truth they're both pigs with or without the lipstick... ;)
When is the last time you ran a mission Zazen? When is the last time you joined one? I am willing to bet that is why you left the Army of Muppets because you didn't and they got tired of it and said something. Then you want to criticize those who do. If people don't defend their base, no matter which country, that is up to them. Like Dadsguns says, We have to use their own egos against them. That couldn't be more true than in your case.
BTW We've had AOM join our missions before.
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Yea...if you like photo shopped pictures
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Not to worry 24, I don't take too much to be fact here. Besides I haven't seen too many 4 plane formations.
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They were so bad they made me look good, and I ended up landing, which as anyone can tell you is a very rare occurrence.
:O you....landed?!! I'm sorry but I will need to see video proof of this. What condition was your bomber at this point? What percentag of parts were listed as undamaged? :D
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**Fugita walks into room. Looks around and sees all the bloody fishhooks and thinks to himself, "Looks like TwentyFo has been here"**
My turn.
If I wasn't in the MOB I would probably fly with the POTW. Classy bunch of sticks there :aok
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We had a hella battle the other night in blue where several NOE sneaks have been thwarted.( our squad defending and eventually some WOT sticks joined in).
Beating them down to their own attacking base is very gratifying but what kills it is that they get too timid to fight and the horde goes and attacks some base wayy off in the distance.
Like I said NOE's can be defended quite well. Just be vigilant. That is always cool to be beat back the attacking herd. We, Bish, did it at 8 and eventually moved to 6 from which they came and took that base. It took a while though. Once a mission is busted, and it happens quite often, it really doesn't make sense to continue to stagger in one or two at a time if you're in a base capture mood. So yes, most move to another base to keep the attack going.
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I love it when someone uses old posts. It really gets the point across. I guess in the Aces High fantasy world things never change. I can post a few about Combat Tour.
Still chuckling. :lol
Fred
I think that post was appropriate. It's why HT took all the big maps away from us the first time. I'd hate to lose them again for the same reasons. I guess history is doomed to repeat itself. NDIsles, Uterus and Baltic here we come.
BTW, I flew a mission the other night for the first time in at least a year. Somehow it just seemed like it might be fun. I don't know who's squad it was but at least 25-30 planes NOE to a base defended by a single Jug and a single Sherman. I scored the only air to air kill. The base was ours within 2-3 minutes. All I could think was what a waste of time and left for the other side of the map.
As a Bish I can tell you that any and every time I look at the map there's a Bish NOE mission headed somewhere. It is the SOP for the Bish squads/missions.
What's the point? To take a base? Without a fight? To me it seems like a waste of $15/mo. but that's just me. Worse yet it's going to lose us the big maps again.
Nothing's changed. It's back how it was.
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POTW is just another 3 or 4 wing horde squad too
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"no conclusion was reached about these very mediocre bunch of gutless noobs"
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Wow tons more spin...why am I not ......surprised?
Ohh and Lynx :aok on putting their pink frillies in a knot.
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I think that post was appropriate. It's why HT took all the big maps away from us the first time. I'd hate to lose them again for the same reasons. I guess history is doomed to repeat itself. NDIsles, Uterus and Baltic here we come.
BTW, I flew a mission the other night for the first time in at least a year. Somehow it just seemed like it might be fun. I don't know who's squad it was but at least 25-30 planes NOE to a base defended by a single Jug and a single Sherman. I scored the only air to air kill. The base was ours within 2-3 minutes. All I could think was what a waste of time and left for the other side of the map.
As a Bish I can tell you that any and every time I look at the map there's a Bish NOE mission headed somewhere. It is the SOP for the Bish squads/missions.
What's the point? To take a base? Without a fight? To me it seems like a waste of $15/mo. but that's just me. Worse yet it's going to lose us the big maps again.
Nothing's changed. It's back how it was.
*glove slap*
This is war man..... get serious.
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Apparently Jokers Jokers and Rolling Thunder are doing their job, some of you guys have a unique misunderstanding of what we are and what we do and dislike us for that "I kinda like that" and also your perspectives of this game are limited in scope and juvenile. This game was designed to do what we do, the fact is that we use the tools provided to us by HTC to meet our goals within the rules and if you don't, that I'm sorry to say, is your problem. :D
Yup this sums up the entire issue very nicely for all...
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I think that post was appropriate. It's why HT took all the big maps away from us the first time. I'd hate to lose them again for the same reasons. I guess history is doomed to repeat itself. NDIsles, Uterus and Baltic here we come.
BTW, I flew a mission the other night for the first time in at least a year. Somehow it just seemed like it might be fun. I don't know who's squad it was but at least 25-30 planes NOE to a base defended by a single Jug and a single Sherman. I scored the only air to air kill. The base was ours within 2-3 minutes. All I could think was what a waste of time and left for the other side of the map.
As a Bish I can tell you that any and every time I look at the map there's a Bish NOE mission headed somewhere. It is the SOP for the Bish squads/missions.
What's the point? To take a base? Without a fight? To me it seems like a waste of $15/mo. but that's just me. Worse yet it's going to lose us the big maps again.
Nothing's changed. It's back how it was.
Not our fault they don't defend Baldegle. I tell you what join a altitude mission and you will see little action there too. Not too long ago I upped a fighter and grabbed to about 15k and headed where the enemy had 2 full dar bars. The only enemy I saw were so high above me I couldn't even see their icon. One p51 actually came down and made a quick pass and then pulled up to the wild blue yonder to never be seen again. I then refueled and had about the same thing happen. Finally a p47 came in to pork ordinance and I nailed him. So after about 90 minutes of flying under 2 full dar bars I get one kill. While all that was going on Bish ran two successful missions under them at about 5k. So the complaints about NOE's are just a crutch. Further we upped numerous 5 to 8 k missions into full dar bars and more. They all left the area. You just can't blame the NOE's for this. In fact you get more resistance with NOE's believe it or not.
Now what really kills me here is that they are complaining about NOE's when GV's are even lower and don't set the town off until with in 3 miles, or is it 5. If I were to complain about stealth attacks I would complain about them.
Keep in mind this fact. Most don't complain about there country's noe missions but they do about other country's noe missions. I know you like to duke it out because I have winged with you before. That is just awesome fun. In fact that is all I did for about 10 years was just mainly up fighters and look for the fight. Maybe we will hook up again and go look for some fights. That just sounds like fun right now. :salute
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Hey great idea. Let us remove min alt for bar dar.
*Waits for gnashing of teeth.*
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Apparently Jokers Jokers and Rolling Thunder are doing their job, some of you guys have a unique misunderstanding of what we are and what we do and dislike us for that "I kinda like that" and also your perspectives of this game are limited in scope and juvenile. This game was designed to do what we do, the fact is that we use the tools provided to us by HTC to meet our goals within the rules and if you don't, that I'm sorry to say, is your problem. :D
This quote says volumes about what is wrong with the game today. The most telling statement is "..if you don't, that I'm sorry to say, is your problem..". That is basically saying, "screw you...I've got mine and I don't care about anything else". I've seen much the same sentiment in other threads..."it's my $15, I will play the way I want". What has made AH and its predecessors so good (and long lasting) is that the players feel a sense of community, a desire to make the game better for everyone and not just for "me". I've seen numerous threads over the last few years asking what is wrong with the community these days.....here it. :(
What the over whelming majority of you fail to understand (and this is not an insult aimed at any single group of players) is the fact that this is a unique form of entertainment and not just another game. This "entertainment" is 20 years old (yes, there is a direct link between AH, through WB and into AW). The reason it has been so successful, with such a small player base, is game loyalty. That loyalty is based in the sense of community created by the game and its players. It has ebbed and flowed over the years (yes, I've been around long enough to have been there and done that :)). Frankly, this may be the worst I've seen in my nearly 20 years of doing this.
Here's a clue... This game is not just about "YOU" or what you want. Without your opponents, it becomes just another crummy piece of software (sri Dale & Stewart :)) and too many of you folks want to ignore the needs of the game to suit your own selfish desires to be "great". In point of fact, there is no "war"...it's just entertainment.
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Jeez Zazen13, you must be able to come up with something better than this. I have read your stuff. I have a quote from you in my sig. Please something better. :)
Awaiting,
Fred
Yes and in your 4 or 5 posts in this thread you have brought what to the table??
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"no conclusion was reached about these very mediocre bunch of gutless noobs"
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Wow humble you have no clue about what you are saying and who you are talking about. I've seen my squadies up under heavily capped fields to defend. I've seen them go toe to toe with uber planes. I"ve seen Ghi do the same countless times. Last week I saw hoagie go in at about 5k into a huge furball with a c hog and come out with 6 kills. How I sure don't know. That's not being gutless. Now if you want to talk gutless, How about those that sit in a manned gun for hours just preaching away or those who come in at 30k and won't come down to play until they can use one of their mates as bait if then.
Bronk, the only one that got their panties in a bunch was Lynx. He couldn't put a complete thought together or a sentence for that matter. Me thinks he beena drinkin'. Buttttt Nice spin there.
Howsoever, I always say play the way you enjoy the game and allow others the same.
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Better at what specifically... Its amazing how you all can have 7 page discussion on a stupid generalization..... :devil :devil
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Better at what specifically... Its amazing how you all can have 7 page discussion on a stupid generalization..... :devil :devil
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:rofl :rofl :rofl True!
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Joker's Jokers whines a lot.
Rolling Thunder hordes a lot.
End of story.
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Wow humble you have no clue about what you are saying and who you are talking about. I've seen my squadies up under heavily capped fields to defend. I've seen them go toe to toe with uber planes. I"ve seen Ghi do the same countless times. Last week I saw hoagie go in at about 5k into a huge furball with a c hog and come out with 6 kills. How I sure don't know. That's not being gutless. Now if you want to talk gutless, How about those that sit in a manned gun for hours just preaching away or those who come in at 30k and won't come down to play until they can use one of their mates as bait if then.
Bronk, the only one that got their panties in a bunch was Lynx. He couldn't put a complete thought together or a sentence for that matter. Me thinks he beena drinkin'. Buttttt Nice spin there.
Howsoever, I always say play the way you enjoy the game and allow others the same.
The conundrum lies in your last comment, the game I "enjoy" is based on some sense of honor, fair play and a reasonably even playing field. The "game" that the squads above (along with similar squads in other chess pieces) is based entirely on critical mass. So in the end the game simply has fallen to its lowest allowed common denominator.
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Getback and DCCBOSS I have clearly caused offence last night with my somewhat alcohol induced incoherent drivel..... for which I apologise.
Let me clarify my posts so that when you take offence today, you do so knowing it's caused with a sober messure of conviction.
Firstly nick names are just that....nick names. Although I have witnessed behaviour from both squads that make those nick names apt....blunder and strokers. Akin to tongue in cheek humour. Which addresses part of this reply by Getback.
I have no idea what you're saying Lynx. However I will address the Rolling Blunder comment. Obviously we're effective at what we do or you would not have said such a thing. Therefore we don't blunder.
In addressing the final part to the above post I'm not sure who got banned for what.
It's my understanding that Rolling Thunders is a multi winged squad....is that still correct? Within 1 of these wings 2 guys in yaks were banned. Your squaddies could provide you with their names as I have forgetten and deleted the film. Fester may still have his.
When it comes to Tools and Rules some folk are clearly using tools, in both senses of the word I might add, in underhanded ways. Spying with shade accounts, switching sides, Pm's, rerouting Cv's after switching sides and promptly logging off......etc! The above in response to
This game was designed to do what we do, the fact is that we use the tools provided to us by HTC to meet our goals within the rules and if you don't, that I'm sorry to say, is your problem.
The fact that certain squads don't condemn such antics justifies the analogies of farts and lipstick pigs.
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:rolleyes:Who gives a crap just have fun play the game. AH is the best where else can u hang out with a bunch of guys and blow watermelon up.<S>
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It's useless...
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WTG
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jk... kinda
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I think that post was appropriate. It's why HT took all the big maps away from us the first time. I'd hate to lose them again for the same reasons. I guess history is doomed to repeat itself. NDIsles, Uterus and Baltic here we come.
BTW, I flew a mission the other night for the first time in at least a year. Somehow it just seemed like it might be fun. I don't know who's squad it was but at least 25-30 planes NOE to a base defended by a single Jug and a single Sherman. I scored the only air to air kill. The base was ours within 2-3 minutes. All I could think was what a waste of time and left for the other side of the map.
As a Bish I can tell you that any and every time I look at the map there's a Bish NOE mission headed somewhere. It is the SOP for the Bish squads/missions.
What's the point? To take a base? Without a fight? To me it seems like a waste of $15/mo. but that's just me. Worse yet it's going to lose us the big maps again.
Nothing's changed. It's back how it was.
History is a funny thing, it changes, and rarely goes back to the way it once was. Now the really funny thing is history seems to repeat itself.
In our squad I probably particape less than any other member in missions. I'm really not much of a real estate guy, but I do like the people that run the squad, and the members. I do get bored when we take bases with no opposition, but I do like defending them when we do take them.
Now one of the geniuses on the boards are going to say "go in at alt. and announce it, that's what my squad does". Well, yes they do. They come in at 15.000 feet and when they hit dar they announce they are ready for a fight. This is when everyone is already down low fighting.
Now the very people that seem to complain I have seen come into a v base with wave after wave of bombers to take a simple v base. In a way they do the same thing but in a different manner. I don't complain about it, I just up at another base and start all over again.
You are right again it may be a waste of your $15.00, but it's not your $15.00. Maybe if someone starts paying my subscription I will play the game their way, but then again maybe not. Coming in at alt. and picking all day long, to me, is a pretty lame way to play the game.
Now y'all have me really confused. Isn't back the way is was what y'all wanted?
Went and did it again, posted my opinion.
Fred
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The conundrum lies in your last comment, the game I "enjoy" is based on some sense of honor, fair play and a reasonably even playing field. The "game" that the squads above (along with similar squads in other chess pieces) is based entirely on critical mass. So in the end the game simply has fallen to its lowest allowed common denominator.
The game you "enjoy". Best one I have heard yet. If you are not enjoying the game, all it takes is a simple phone call or email to change that. Better yet, delete it from the computer. If I was having such a terrible time as you seem to be having, I wouldn't give it a second thought, but that is me.
Your post shows how little you really know, at least about my squad. I have never seen you fly with us, I have never seen you on our vox, so how can you make such claims. It just shows how little you really know, but I'm not wanting to change that, I actually find it quite entertaining. Sense of honor, fair play, and a reasonable even play field. The first two you will have to explain to me how that works in a war simulated game. The last one is already done when eny kicks in.
Fred
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Zazen just had to say it, what you got against pigs? :)
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The more important question is are they having fun? That's how you grade the success of a squad as far as I'm concerned.
We are just cartoon pilots, sitting at our computers pretending after all :)
Well Said. That's mainly our squads' focus.
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I`can only hope that the original post was done sarcastically.
If not, my first response was, who cares?
To be a hero of the cartoon real estate business in a cartoon air combat sim, amounts to a whole lotta nothing.
The more important question is are they having fun? That's how you grade the success of a squad as far as I'm concerned.
We are just cartoon pilots, sitting at our computers pretending after all :)
Speaking for myself, I have a blast...
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I say the squad I am in is a great squad...we dont have to be flying to have a good time, we can usually just sit in the tower and talk :aok THAT's what makes a squad.
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hmmm flamming wtg 24
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Getback and DCCBOSS I have clearly caused offence last night with my somewhat alcohol induced incoherent drivel..... for which I apologise.
Let me clarify my posts so that when you take offence today, you do so knowing it's caused with a sober messure of conviction.
Firstly nick names are just that....nick names. Although I have witnessed behaviour from both squads that make those nick names apt....blunder and strokers. Akin to tongue in cheek humour. Which addresses part of this reply by Getback.
In addressing the final part to the above post It's my understanding that Rolling Thunders is a multi winged squad....is that still correct? Within 1 of these wings 2 guys in yaks were banned. Your squaddies could provide you with their names as I have forgetten and deleted the film. Fester may still have his.
When it comes to Tools and Rules some folk are clearly using tools, in both senses of the word I might add, in underhanded ways. Spying with shade accounts, switching sides, Pm's, rerouting Cv's after switching sides and promptly logging off......etc! The above in response to
The fact that certain squads don't condemn such antics justifies the analogies of farts and lipstick pigs.
In reference to your post last night and today I see no difference it still sounds incoherent.
As for a EX member or members of our squad doing something that got them banned from the game well I'm sure that we are not the only squad that has had bad people in them, we of course would have reported them to HTC ourselves if it any wrong doing was know to us at that time and we may have kicked them from the squad already (it would be nice to know who you are talking about), so the point your trying to make is what to imply or to simply to cast aspersions on our squad I see no other value in your statement.
In your last statement you say that "some folk" are using the tools in the wrong way again implying that we do, I and all of my squad mates do take offence to that.
In your last line I and most of the good people and squads in any country would happen to agree with you, that the practices of all you mentioned is not condemned by enough people in order to curtail it.
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I think this should get down to the DA, for both aspects of the game. GV and fighters., we will send our best fighters and our best GVers and you send your best fighters and your best GVers, thats all that we need to do.
Off topic: Del, why would you call us toolsheaders? I think I see you everytime landing 10 picks in a 38J, thats not toolsheading?
LYNX, I've held my tounge for too long. Every time you see something about the Jokers, you have to post about us being accused of being spies and cheaters. You want to prove it, go ahead, by all rights be my guess, but your not going to find anything. I hope you get banned from this boards from your constant trolling. I want to say ALOT more, but I think I will keep that to myself.
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I think this should get down to the DA, for both aspects of the game. GV and fighters., we will send our best fighters and our best GVers and you send your best fighters and your best GVers, thats all that we need to do.
Off topic: Del, why would you call us toolsheaders? I think I see you everytime landing 10 picks in a 38J, thats not toolsheading?
LYNX, I've held my tounge for too long. Every time you see something about the Jokers, you have to post about us being accused of being spies and cheaters. You want to prove it, go ahead, by all rights be my guess, but your not going to find anything. I hope you get banned from this boards from your constant trolling. I want to say ALOT more, but I think I will keep that to myself.
Well said :salute
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I think this should get down to the DA, for both aspects of the game. GV and fighters., we will send our best fighters and our best GVers and you send your best fighters and your best GVers, thats all that we need to do.
Off topic: Del, why would you call us toolsheaders? I think I see you everytime landing 10 picks in a 38J, thats not toolsheading?
LYNX, I've held my tounge for too long. Every time you see something about the Jokers, you have to post about us being accused of being spies and cheaters. You want to prove it, go ahead, by all rights be my guess, but your not going to find anything. I hope you get banned from this boards from your constant trolling. I want to say ALOT more, but I think I will keep that to myself.
lolzzzz Just because some need to pick to get 5 kills doesn't mean others have to. Del gets down n dirty tree level all the time. The 38 is a great turner.
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Here is an idea.
I challenge both squads to spend one tour NOT doing a single NOE attack.
Attack the base with the largest nme dar bar, and keep attacking it untill you capture it. (or at the least one that has a dar bar with more than a couple of nme planes. It has to be be defended)
At the end of January we can compare how many field captures they have vs. December.
Would be a decent judge of how good they are at taking bases.
ANY two week noob in a hoard can capture undefended fields. A true test is taking one that is defended.
(with the numbers ya'll typically put up for a base take, this should actually be a pretty simple thing to do)
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Here is an idea.
I challenge both squads to spend one tour NOT doing a single NOE attack.
Attack the base with the largest nme dar bar, and keep attacking it until you capture it. (or at the least one that has a dar bar with more than a couple of nme planes. It has to be be defended)
At the end of January we can compare how many field captures they have vs. December.
Would be a decent judge of how good they are at taking bases.
ANY two week noob in a hoard can capture undefended fields. A true test is taking one that is defended.
(with the numbers ya'll typically put up for a base take, this should actually be a pretty simple thing to do)
My Pigs think I am crazy, but this is usually what I ask them to do. Not because it is the biggest dar bar, instead it is because the most targets are congregated there (therefore the biggest threat). The satisfaction of whittling down a defended base to a capture is awesome. Does not always work, but it is fun as heck. As far as no NOE to do so...what does it matter as long as they are attacking a defended base? I would love to see this sort of competition more often with other squads involved. Hey your squad might come out on top, so what's to lose?
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Here is an idea.
I challenge both squads to spend one tour NOT doing a single NOE attack.
Attack the base with the largest nme dar bar, and keep attacking it untill you capture it. (or at the least one that has a dar bar with more than a couple of nme planes. It has to be be defended)
At the end of January we can compare how many field captures they have vs. December.
Would be a decent judge of how good they are at taking bases.
ANY two week noob in a hoard can capture undefended fields. A true test is taking one that is defended.
(with the numbers ya'll typically put up for a base take, this should actually be a pretty simple thing to do)
Yea... snowballs chance in hell.
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Heres my take on you clowns:Massive squads that depend on numbers and crappy tactics to get anything done. I've seen you guys use 4 or 5 sets of lancs and troops to take a V base. Stupid, gamey sportsmanship. I fought 2 rolling blunder guys the other night and they hoed every single pass until they were out of ammo.No skill whatsoever.Both you're squads will resort to any chitty tactic needed to achieve your goals.That is why you'll never be respected in this game, except by the warm bodys you recruit to do your bidding.You throw up these massive noe missions because you don't have what it takes to fight a good fight. You know it..that's why you do NOES. Most if not all of you, will not fight unless you're in a pack. I've seen some in your squads bomb and bail just to avoid a fight. But yet you pat yourselves on the back about how good you are :rofl. I don't speak for my squad but if it was up to me,I'd call both squads to the DA and collect your scalps. But I doubt you'd go for you know what the outcome would be.Just know this:I get extreme enjoyment everytime I kill anyone from either one of these squads. It's not the person but the concept of what you stand for is what I dislike.
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Im better then both.
:rofl :noid :O :lol
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Unfortunately, no conclusion was reached about these very elite bish squads. These squads have mastered all aspects of the game and have become a significant force to recon with.
i prefer to recon alone with just a jeep and pair of binoculars, but suit yourself :confused:
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Heres my take on you clowns:Massive squads that depend on numbers and crappy tactics to get anything done. I've seen you guys use 4 or 5 sets of lancs and troops to take a V base. Stupid, gamey sportsmanship. I fought 2 rolling blunder guys the other night and they hoed every single pass until they were out of ammo.No skill whatsoever.Both you're squads will resort to any chitty tactic needed to achieve your goals.That is why you'll never be respected in this game, except by the warm bodys you recruit to do your bidding.You throw up these massive noe missions because you don't have what it takes to fight a good fight. You know it..that's why you do NOES. Most if not all of you, will not fight unless you're in a pack. I've seen some in your squads bomb and bail just to avoid a fight. But yet you pat yourselves on the back about how good you are :rofl. I don't speak for my squad but if it was up to me,I'd call both squads to the DA and collect your scalps. But I doubt you'd go for you know what the outcome would be.Just know this:I get extreme enjoyment everytime I kill anyone from either one of these squads. It's not the person but the concept of what you stand for is what I dislike.
This one really deserves a chuckle. :lol
Your don't speak for your squad but you do for the community.
Fred
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Im better then both.
:rofl :noid :O :lol
You used to be...until you got that dam xbox :lol
<S> RT, BOPS, POTW, and all the other fun squads out there, thanks for doing what you do! <S>
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Im better then both.
:rofl :noid :O :lol
You're still not getting in the squad Vans.............and this doesn't help! :rofl :rofl :rofl :salute
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That's why I would like to see you come down from your alt. and not have a buddy to save you uptown, then we will see how fast the tables turn.
I know that Del is good, but in the MA he does everything to keep his adv. of about 4K or so.
Only real respect for any squad that I have, is for the Muppet's and the 80th. Muppet's and the 80th have the best all around people in the game, and I totally respect that. The other squads in that game have never really been good, and probably never will be any good.
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So we have come to the conclusion that The Rolling Thunder is the better squad?
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Here is an idea.
I challenge both squads to spend one tour NOT doing a single NOE attack.
Attack the base with the largest nme dar bar, and keep attacking it untill you capture it. (or at the least one that has a dar bar with more than a couple of nme planes. It has to be be defended)
At the end of January we can compare how many field captures they have vs. December.
Would be a decent judge of how good they are at taking bases.
ANY two week noob in a hoard can capture undefended fields. A true test is taking one that is defended.
(with the numbers ya'll typically put up for a base take, this should actually be a pretty simple thing to do)
We've done that Lute many many times.
As an example, in the small Pacific map about 6 camps ago we were having trouble taking 7. Nothing seemed to work and the Rooks were gaining an advantage. So we put up a bomber mission with fighter escort and went in at about 8k. It was mayhem getting there but most made it. We leveled the place and captured the base. I believe we took out about 3 262s and maybe more tempests to do it. Guess what! people hollered about that. It was the first time we used the term In-Your-Face to describe a mission. Since then we have employed it quite often and the bishops love it.
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We've done that Lute many many times.
for a whole tour?
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The other squads in that game have never really been good, and probably never will be any good.
Speak for yourself. The Flying Circus has a blast just furballing and messing around. I can tell ya what, we'd hold our own vs any squad :aok You'd just never be able to tell because it's full of modest guys just wanting to have fun. Isn't that what this is about? :rolleyes:
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for a whole tour?
I've seen it first hand. I think it was last month, or maybe the month before that they strictly did their "In your face missions". A sight to see I must admit. For a while there, we got so intimidated that we quit upping and serendered our bases to them.
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I'm actually glad these, and other, NOE horde squads exist. Every so often... maybe once a tour, I'm in the right place to bust one of these missions. I'm almost always alone and find myself 8k over a swarm of bad guys on the deck. I gleefully imagine their howls and lamentations as I shred their formations, sometimes killing 2 or 3 guys in a single pass of pony wrath. Only the dreaded killer "collision model" can stop me from chalking up double digit kills in these situations.
I always sing in my head(I'm funny that way)
"Have yourself a merry little Christmas.
May their scalps be light.
From now on the hordelings will be in your (gun)sight
Have yourself a merry little Christmas
The sky's thick with your prey.
Watch them burn
as you gleefuly blow them away.
Here we are as in olden days
Happy golden days or Yore
an NOE mission all stacked up
yet I racked them up, once more.
When I find them
they will all be together,
if the Fates allow.
Hang a bag of scalps upon the highest bough.
And have yourself a merry little Christmas now"
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That's why I would like to see you come down from your alt. and not have a buddy to save you uptown, then we will see how fast the tables turn.
I know that Del is good, but in the MA he does everything to keep his adv. of about 4K or so.
Only real respect for any squad that I have, is for the Muppet's and the 80th. Muppet's and the 80th have the best all around people in the game, and I totally respect that. The other squads in that game have never really been good, and probably never will be any good.
Bosco, I've flown with Del for 10+ years now, and he's followed me into any fight I jump into, which is any and every and as anyone can tell you, is low and slow. Can he fly the 38J well? Absolutely. But I sure don't ever see him flying as you describe. Guess he just flies that way when I'm not looking :)
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Everytime I've seen Del on a SAPP night or something he's usually got 10+ red guys on him, with both engines leaking oil, two radiators gone, and a fuel leak in every tank. The only time I've seen him pick is when he's over an enemy base, in that case you'd be dumb not to pick, low and slow at an enemy base = bad. Not because you're low and slow, but because people up their spit 16s as soon as you shoot them down :lol
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This one really deserves a chuckle. :lol
Your don't speak for your squad but you do for the community.
Fred
OK, fair enough...my squad doesn't respect you either. As a matter of fact we hunt you sissys to pad our scores. :D
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I can't believe you guys don't like my song... I thought it would be a AH classic. :(
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OK, fair enough...my squad doesn't respect you either. As a matter of fact we hunt you sissys to pad our scores. :D
You and 4000 other players. Still chuckling. :lol
I allways love it when someone resorts to name calling. :aok
Fred is now going to run and hide under the bed.
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I have no data to compare the two. I only know that Joker has some crazy idea's about bombing CV's on the deck. I've shot him down lot's of times from the 5mm. His tactics made me laugh very hard. Kinda' like some other guys I know. They think they'll just run in with some heavy's and do the job. A guy's gotta' have a plan.
Coogan
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I can't believe you guys don't like my song... I thought it would be a AH classic. :(
Song? I thought it was a poem. :D
Fred
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Song? I thought it was a poem. :D
Fred
Hehehe it was immortalized by Judy Garland. Everyone knows this song.
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Hehehe it was immortalized by Judy Garland. Everyone knows this song.
Sorry, don't listen to music much, especially Judy Garland. :rofl
Fred
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I can't believe you guys don't like my song... I thought it would be a AH classic. :(
Welllllllllllllll It's Steve classic or classic Steve :rofl :rofl
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Sorry, don't listen to music much, especially Judy Garland. :rofl
Fred
She had a spectacular voice. I love Christmas music. :) [/hijack]
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Lol ty TwentyFo for the nice complement. <S> I try my hardest in GVin. Me Jax and Belial.
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OK, fair enough...my squad doesn't respect you either. As a matter of fact we hunt you sissys to pad our scores. :D
Bring it on slick, we will fight you guys anywhere we don't care about our scores and we don't run from a fight.
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Only real respect for any squad that I have, is for the Muppet's and the 80th. Muppet's and the 80th have the best all around people in the game, and I totally respect that. The other squads in that game have never really been good, and probably never will be any good.
:rofl strikes me funny that you didn't mention your own squad....but then again i do understand. :lol
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Some nice guys in both.
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Some nice guys in both.
Thanks Stodd and back at ya!
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:rofl strikes me funny that you didn't mention your own squad....but then again i do understand. :lol
So are the Broncos going to fight the Rolling Thunder?
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If not, my first response was, who cares?
+1
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LYNX, I've held my tounge for too long. Every time you see something about the Jokers, you have to post about us being accused of being spies and cheaters. You want to prove it, go ahead, by all rights be my guess, but your not going to find anything. I hope you get banned from this boards from your constant trolling. I want to say ALOT more, but I think I will keep that to myself.
It did cross my mind to be devious and set a wager here when accepting the challenge above. However it would have been a underhanded shallow victory because your clearly not the sharpest pencil in box.
So for the "sport" of it....
exhibit A
We get a PM from an unknown charecter (don't know his name anyways) telling us that there was going to be a mission inbnd to such and such place. Out of revenge, we took our planes up and slowed the huge mission inbound.
Quite a tastier peace of copy and paste this. For bonus points guess who I'm quoting in reference to using information from spies. The quote comes from ......<drum roll> <silent pause> YOU!.....that's right you yourself :rofl
From this thread
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,245855.msg3008946.html#msg3008946
exhibit B
Your good friend and squaddie U2007.... care to explain last couple of tours the amount of kills he has on musashi? That was never really resolved was it? Wonder where musashi went after that came out in the open. I see U2007 is still a valued member of the squad..... :rofl
exhibit C
From page 5 of this very thread
by Lusche
Half on topic.. one member of Jokers just explained to me via PM how much I suck at attacking buffs after I shot him down (Your'e moves are sooo easy to read"). Then he jumped to rooks to take command of a CV attacking a Bish base to steer it away from base.
:rofl
Would you believe it. 3 exhibits in the public domain....how's ya foot by the way.
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Would you believe it. 3 exhibits in the public domain....how's ya foot by the way.
Bet he wished he'd have washed it first. :D
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Some nice guys in both.
Thanks stodd
Fred
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So are the Broncos going to fight the Rolling Thunder?
Trolling 24?
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Bring it on slick, we will fight you guys anywhere we don't care about our scores and we don't run from a fight.
sunday night is the 412th squad nite. Bring your A game.....you'll need it. We'll be in the 51s :salute
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My "curlies" started to grey a long time ago. Matter of fact they are all GREY. You talk like your some sort of all knowing saint. Just goes to figure!! When I look at some of the juvenile posts in this forums, I then just have to look at the source, and then chuckle.
Fred's Opinion
:salute Fred
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man, took a while to get through the whole thread but.........
There is no 'better' squad (or indeed country) because of the amount of individuality in the game. Each to his or her own I say. Respect to everyone who is in a squad, coz they show their willingness to work as a team.
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As a Co of a bishop squad, I will say that both squads are great! They both are trying to win war for bishops. Great guys on both squads. They will help you whenever you are close..... :rock
Ps. Only problem i have is with RT's. I been begging for your av maker to hook me up... How long to wait in line? J/k.. Tuk151 CO 13MPG :salute
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I'm the CO of a Bish squad too. If you ever see our two man hoard together you better run and hide. :aok
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As a Co of a bishop squad, I will say that both squads are great! They both are trying to win war for bishops. Great guys on both squads. They will help you whenever you are close..... :rock
Ps. Only problem i have is with RT's. I been begging for your av maker to hook me up... How long to wait in line? J/k.. Tuk151 CO 13MPG :salute
Sorry Tuk, we haven't seen Boog since his grandpa passed.We're awaiting is return.
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I'm the CO of a Bish squad too. If you ever see our two man hoard together you better run and hide. :aok
LOL Baldeagl.
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I have been in both squads. Honestly the Jokers, im in their squad right now. The RT or more of a horde squad. The Jokers have a variety of pilots and things going on at once. Also i think the Jokers are more fun to talk about anything with. But, both squads are still fun to fly with.
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Wow, lots to read in this one....... :lol
I had planned to respond to some things, but I think I will refrain......
This is just too much fun..... :rofl
Thanks 24
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Ok, LYNX, how many times have I seen you bomb a CV that had no one at them and no one shelling the town? little mysterious.
As for the U2007 incident, that was proven by Skuzzy himself, that the other guy was another person in a completly diffrent country. Just keep believeing that to yourself troll.
BTW, all of what you posted was hearsay, can YOU prove it?
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exhibit B
Your good friend and squaddie U2007.... care to explain last couple of tours the amount of kills he has on musashi? That was never really resolved was it? Wonder where musashi went after that came out in the open. I see U2007 is still a valued member of the squad..... :rofl
That's already been proven wrong by Skuzzy, that it wasn't a shade.
Lynx, you always have a problem with every squad where someone shoots you down more than once, I remember when you talked about my squad "These 40th guys just seem to be a little bit of a troll, kind of odd" something like that. You based this off of nothing, and you directed it towards my squaddies without any base for doing so.
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The game you "enjoy". Best one I have heard yet. If you are not enjoying the game, all it takes is a simple phone call or email to change that. Better yet, delete it from the computer. If I was having such a terrible time as you seem to be having, I wouldn't give it a second thought, but that is me.
Your post shows how little you really know, at least about my squad. I have never seen you fly with us, I have never seen you on our vox, so how can you make such claims. It just shows how little you really know, but I'm not wanting to change that, I actually find it quite entertaining. Sense of honor, fair play, and a reasonable even play field. The first two you will have to explain to me how that works in a war simulated game. The last one is already done when eny kicks in.
Fred
That shows more clearly than anything else I've seen the difference between those of us who no longer enjoy the game, and those who do. Or at least, the vast majority of those who do.
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That's already been proven wrong by Skuzzy, that it wasn't a shade.
Shade? No. Blatant Rampid Voluntary Vulching? Yes.
Difference? No.
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Shade? No. Blatant Rampid Voluntary Vulching? Yes.
Difference? No.
how, he kept upping? Should he have just let the guy up? :rollseyes:
Yes, there is a difference.
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how, he kept upping? Should he have just let the guy up? :rollseyes:
Yes, there is a difference.
nope
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nope
How is there no difference from shade vulching? Was u2007 and the guy PM'ing eachother and telling the other to up? No... If anyone else had done this in the game, it would just be something "funny" but when someone else from a certain squad, or someone that you may not like does it, it's very different...
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How is there no difference from shade vulching? Was u2007 and the guy PM'ing eachother and telling the other to up? No... If anyone else had done this in the game, it would just be something "funny" but when someone else from a certain squad, or someone that you may not like does it, it's very different...
how do you know this?
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How is there no difference from shade vulching? Was u2007 and the guy PM'ing eachother and telling the other to up? No... If anyone else had done this in the game, it would just be something "funny"
They know each other and it was deliberate. Stay tuned, let me grab some staggering stats. I will understand if you don't reply to my next post, the evidence is going to melt your face.
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Tour 106:
Musashi:
La7 53 deaths 39 killed by u2007
D3A 4 deaths 2 by u2007, 1 by j0ker
M3 13 deaths 10 killed by u2007
M8 12 deaths All 12 killed by u2007 :lol
N1k2 11 deaths 5 killed by u2007
Ostwind 8 deaths 6 killed by u2007
Panzer 76 deaths 47 killed by u2007
See a trend yet? Probably not, let me keep going...
PT BOAT 30 deaths 23 by u2007 Wow he's even finding him in the ocean!
T34/76 17 deaths all killed by u2007
Wirbelwind 14 deaths 12 killed by u2007
LVTA2 6 deaths all killed by u2007
Lancaster 9 deaths all killed by u2007
Ki84 3 deaths killed by u2007
Adding it all up, u2007 killed musashi around 200 times. Musashi only had 275 deaths.
Of the 75 times u2007 didn't kill him, I'm sure a good portion of those kills belong to fellow squad members.
(Same story in Tour 105)
Is your face liquefied on the floor yet? :aok
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That shows more clearly than anything else I've seen the difference between those of us who no longer enjoy the game, and those who do. Or at least, the vast majority of those who do.
Urchin...
Exactly!!! This is why no matter how "good" they think they are....they will always be noobs. The self-centered little twits simply don't get it.....and (unfortunately)..I doubt they ever will. :frown:
Anything and everything to win simply makes for a bad game.
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Urchin...
Exactly!!! This is why no matter how "good" they think they are....they will always be noobs. The self-centered little twits simply don't get it.....and (unfortunately)..I doubt they ever will. :frown:
Anything and everything to win simply makes for a bad game.
Does this mean you don't like my song?
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Im stuck here **the lynchmob** was invited to join in with the MoM mission's in bishland on tuesday nights but we were told by jokerjokers we werent welcome in bishland anymore??? im so torn :rofl what to do what to do. should we stay rook and bust up the MoM missions or should we join in and be attacked on country channel :rolleyes: I may lose sleep over this one :rofl
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Urchin...
Exactly!!! This is why no matter how "good" they think they are....they will always be noobs. The self-centered little twits simply don't get it.....and (unfortunately)..I doubt they ever will. :frown:
Anything and everything to win simply makes for a bad game.
I'm not certain if most people lack any sense of sportsmanship, or if most people who play games on the internet create some artificial barrier to rationalize the 'win at all costs' mentality.
I've played online games of all sorts for many years now, and the one constant factor (for the vast majority of online gamers) is a complete and utter lack of respect for their opponents. This is constant in all sorts of games, from online chess to AH to first person shooters to RPGs with a PVP aspect to sports games played on consoles.
I am not sure if I will really ever know the answer to that - I suspect that there is a dehumanizing element to playing games on the internet that makes it easier to toss out moral values, but if there were no consequences in the real world I also suspect that much of the same sorts of things would go on in real competitions (sports, games, etc).
I find it to be an interesting topic to think about, anyway.
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Jokers are fun peoples, great guys on their squad vox and always fun to fly with, irritating to fight against. I wouldn't say i agree with their flying style, but it is their $15 and i had a blast anytime i joined in their squad ops.
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how do you know this?
Do you know they were PM'ing eachother? After watching the witch hunts on this forum, and the ignorant "assumptions" on people that must be "right" the first sign of something suspicious, yes, sometimes its good, but when proved wrong, those accused hear no "sorry, my bad" nothing.
Im stuck here **the lynchmob** was invited to join in with the MoM mission's in bishland on tuesday nights but we were told by jokerjokers we werent welcome in bishland anymore??? im so torn :rofl what to do what to do. should we stay rook and bust up the MoM missions or should we join in and be attacked on country channel :rolleyes: I may lose sleep over this one :rofl
After what your squaddie started about the jokers, I'd be mad if I were them.
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Well 1plus im not aware of anything being "started" by any squaddie of mine unless he was provoked by one of them.We wont shy away from anyone verbally attacking us on 200 or personal pm. Give details of the exchange and i may change my mind. Their missions being busted because a squaddie was in the right place at the right time isnt starting anything its more like knowing youre adversary and knowing the best way to stop a mission in its tracks however being accused of cheating like we were is starting something. I have no patience for that nonsense.
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Well 1plus im not aware of anything being "started" by any squaddie of mine unless he was provoked by one of them.We wont shy away from anyone verbally attacking us on 200 or personal pm. Give details of the exchange and i may change my mind. Their missions being busted because a squaddie was in the right place at the right time isnt starting anything its more like knowing youre adversary and knowing the best way to stop a mission in its tracks however being accused of cheating like we were is starting something. I have no patience for that nonsense.
This Thread, basically a 13 page rant/troll on the Jokers and RT.
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While i was flying knight earlier the Bish ran an NOE rad consisting of 7 sets of Lancs, multiple 110s, nikis, and an F4U....when this was sighted we decided to defend......0 town buildings were destroyed....and we attack them maybe 4 miles from our town :lol
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Hmmm,
I'm trying to understand this and I think I've got it now. We "Rolling Thunder" and Jokers Jokers are not good squads because we use noe and "horde" tactics and always attack undefended bases. To play the game correctly we should basically announce our attacks and limit our missions numbers resulting in endless hours of "furballing"....lol I got an idea, lets have a map with only 1 base for each country and make it an uncapturable!!! Seems that's what some would prefer. The only tactic that irritates me are the alt monkeys who sit at there 20k perch waiting for someone afk on autoclimb to pounce on....come to think of it, that tactic seems to be used in the forums as well as the arenas. Someone should have given 24 a "check six" before starting this post...lol :salute
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well...the idea of the game is aerial combat
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Do you know they were PM'ing eachother? After watching the witch hunts on this forum, and the ignorant "assumptions" on people that must be "right" the first sign of something suspicious, yes, sometimes its good, but when proved wrong, those accused hear no "sorry, my bad" nothing.
Roughly 200 out of 275 deaths is well beyond "suspicious" imho.
If I EVER caught a WM with stats like that they wouldn't be a WidowMaker much longer than the time it takes me to click the EJECT button.
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well...the idea of the game is aerial combat
Then why are there GV's? :huh
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Well to look at the sheep much closer of course.
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this thread sucks, kthx.
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Then why are there GV's? :huh
For planes to bomb...and when planes bomb GVs, they (the GVers) ask for aerial support. The aforementioned "aerial support" engages with the planes attacking the GVs...therefore promoting aerial combat. Anymore questions?
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Well to look at the sheep much closer of course.
:rofl
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I always thought the game was a WW2 combat sim :huh
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Aces High vs. point and click Aces Low :aok
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For all you little horde monkey land grabbers who think base taking/winning the war is what the game is all about.
This is a false assumption.
The game was designed to have fun at different types of combat. Conquering bases is just a means to promote combat and hence fun. But by no means is it more or less justified than going out and just mixing it up.
HiTech
Enjoy
:aok
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I always thought the game was a WW2 combat sim :huh
That's what i thought but i guess we're wrong. :noid
For all you little horde monkey land grabbers who think base taking/winning the war is what the game is all about.
Enjoy
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The game is imo, whatever you want it to be. if I wan to be a landgrabber it's my 15 bucks, if you want to be a furballer that's your choice. I never said one was "better" than the other. :salute
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Bronk :D
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That's what i thought but i guess we're wrong. :noid
The game is imo, whatever you want it to be. if I wan to be a landgrabber it's my 15 bucks, if you want to be a furballer that's your choice. I never said one was "better" than the other. :salute
You totally missed the point. It's about combat.....not finding new ways to avoid combat.......also known as horde NOE.
The fast ones just seem to sail over their heads.
:D
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Does this mean you don't like my song?
SRI Steve...in all honesty......I am blessed with a short attention span and the song was too long. Do it on the 'radio' some night and I can let you know. :D
I'm not certain if most people lack any sense of sportsmanship, or if most people who play games on the internet create some artificial barrier to rationalize the 'win at all costs' mentality.
I've played online games of all sorts for many years now, and the one constant factor (for the vast majority of online gamers) is a complete and utter lack of respect for their opponents. This is constant in all sorts of games, from online chess to AH to first person shooters to RPGs with a PVP aspect to sports games played on consoles.
I am not sure if I will really ever know the answer to that - I suspect that there is a dehumanizing element to playing games on the internet that makes it easier to toss out moral values, but if there were no consequences in the real world I also suspect that much of the same sorts of things would go on in real competitions (sports, games, etc).
I find it to be an interesting topic to think about, anyway.
Yes, it's a very interesting topic. I hold the opinion that the "community" of this genre is a victim of its own success. The fact that it is so cheap that kids can cut the lawn and have the money for a month's worth of play has cheapened the whole experience. There in, too many people have no respect for the game, much less the other people that play it. Heck, my experience with AW on AOHell lead me to suggest a $29.95 per month price for AH. I believed then that you would have a more dedicated and long lasting player base if they were "invested" in the game. While I can't fault Dale for choosing to go the $14.95 per route, I do bemoan the days where the players didn't simply strive for self-gratification...they understood that good opponents/opposition makes for a great game.
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If I EVER caught a WM with stats like that they wouldn't be a WidowMaker much longer than the time it takes me to click the EJECT button.
:salute Lute and other WMs, you got a real classy squad, fighting your guys is always a pleasure.
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That shows more clearly than anything else I've seen the difference between those of us who no longer enjoy the game, and those who do. Or at least, the vast majority of those who do.
I had to read your post several times before I could at the very least understand it. I'm still not sure I do. I guess you are referring me asking the explanation of fair play and honor. If that is the case, you did not answer the question, you and your partner NB decided to side track it with a bit of name calling.
I don't know how it was and really don't care. That time has passed. I have never played an on-line game until Aces High, and I am old enough to be most everyones father. Explaining to me what honor and respect is, you don't have to, I know what exactly it is in real life. I just don't understand what y'all believe it is in this fantasy world that evidently y'all have lived in way to long.
Maybe I don't get it, and maybe I never will, but one thing is for sure I will never resort to school yard antics with the silly name calling and smart arse remarks like y'all tend to do. Maybe that's the adult in me, maybe it the common courtesy and respect that I have for fellow Aces High game members.
The bottom line is maybe you two first need to understand what respect is before you start accusing someone else of not having it. As for honor and fair play. I am still waiting for an explanation. I play by the rules that HTC has provided, explain to me what else there is?
I will standby my statement, that this is a great game, I like playing it, and if you don't enjoy it, there is a simple fix to correct that.
Fred's OPINION
I have to throw in a little correction, maybe I will throw a little bit of a smart arse remark every now and then. :)
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For all you little horde monkey land grabbers who think base taking/winning the war is what the game is all about.
Enjoy
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Some play the game to fulfill the actual parameters that it was designed for, which is to overcome and conquer bases, and eventually the country, thus winning the war/game.
Your quote from Hitech was taken a bit out of context. The response you posted from Hitech was in response to the above post concerning the parameters in which the game was designed for. It was in a topic concerning ENY. I didn't read past Hitech post, but it didn't look like he was directly referring to NOE's.
Fred
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I decided to read a little farther into the thread Bronk was referring to. Since a few like to throw out Hitech's old quotes, here is one that should give a few some food for thought.
Hitech
And it makes no difference what his reasons are. If he is uping from a base and killing people, he is having an influence on the fight and field defense. If he is killing people at a field, he is influencing a base attack.
And as to 2 different games/play styles. There are a lot more than just 2.
Came from the same thread Bronk was referring to.
Fred
Sorry don't know how to do all that fancy link stuff.
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Muppets own all of you. :aok
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I wasn't going to bother responding to this thread as it has degenerated into a mud slinging poo fest, but I feel I need to address a couple issues.
Fred/Bmwgs, you seem like a nice guy and I did not intend to deprecate you or anyone else that wants to 'win the war'. I attempted to have you and a few others see my point of view, but I see now this was a complete waste of effort. I am sure quite a few of those interested in winning the war will get sick of it eventually and progress into furballers. For now, let's agree to disagree much as I did with Lynx in a previous thread.
Off topic: Del, why would you call us toolsheaders? I think I see you everytime landing 10 picks in a 38J, thats not toolsheading?
I'd be more than willing to duel you anytime, provided we are dueling for fun and not to prove anything or inflate egos. I think you will find I don't fly differently than most P38 drivers and probably a good deal worse than they do. If you are looking for an ego contest, look some where else.
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My gawd, 15 pages and it didn't deserve 1. Albeit I am as much to blame as anyone for it's length.
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I wasn't going to bother responding to this thread as it has degenerated into a mud slinging poo fest but I feel I need to address a couple issues.
Fred/Bmwgs, you seem like a nice guy and I did not intend to deprecate you or anyone else that wants to 'win the war', I attempted to have you and a few others see my point of view. I see now this was a complete waste of effort but I am sure quite a few of those interested in winning the war will get sick of it eventually and progress into furballers. For now, let's agree to disagree much as I did with Lynx in a previous thread.
I'd be more than willing to duel you anytime, provided we are dueling for fun and not to prove anything or inflate egos. I think you will find I don't fly differently than most P38 drivers and probably a good deal worse than they do. If you are looking for an ego contest, look some where else.
Actually Delirum I did not realize that I was referring to you in any way. I was just responding to some posts that were made. I agree with you completely that we can agree to disagree, and I have no problem with that. I really don't have an issue with any of this, its just sometimes you have to put your two cents in and that is what I did. Plus I'm trying to get my post numbers up so I can be on the same level as the old timers. :)
As for winning the war. I really have no interest in that. Some members of my squad do and I like them and I do assist them at certain times during the day/night when we are on. I am usually the one that is furballing when they are running missions. So don't get me wrong, I pork and bomb worse than I fight.
I guess the only issue I have is the so called old vets that resort to name calling and such. The constant "its not like it used to be" "the game is at its all time low" and such in kind statements get old quick. Several, and I do not mean all or most "Old Vet" show little respect to new players. They make like there is some secret society going on here and it takes years to understand the fabric of this community. Actually all you have to do is spend a couple of days reading the forums and its pretty simple to figure out how this community works.
I like a good debate, and this response to to all. I do not have any hard feelings against anyone in the game. Matter of fact even though I do monitor 200, I rarely respond. If I do it is always in a respectfull way.
I do not have any hard feeling against anyone in this thread, just responding to various posts. I don't expect everyone to agree, but then again that's what makes us difference.
Dog gone it, I got one more post! :aok
:salute Delirum
Fred, at work and to much time on his hands.
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I had to read your post several times before I could at the very least understand it. I'm still not sure I do. I guess you are referring me asking the explanation of fair play and honor. If that is the case, you did not answer the question, you and your partner NB decided to side track it with a bit of name calling.
Sir - The difference is that you need/want an explanation, because you do not see the values of 'fair play' or 'honor' as being applicable to this game.
I don't know how it was and really don't care. That time has passed. I have never played an on-line game until Aces High, and I am old enough to be most everyones father. Explaining to me what honor and respect is, you don't have to, I know what exactly it is in real life. I just don't understand what y'all believe it is in this fantasy world that evidently y'all have lived in way to long.
Again, this very clearly illustrates what I see as the difference between myself (and the small minority who see things like me) and you (and the vast majority of the online gaming 'community'). You seem to be saying that you understand the concepts of honor and respect, but you do not find them applicable to online games? Is that correct?
Maybe I don't get it, and maybe I never will, but one thing is for sure I will never resort to school yard antics with the silly name calling and smart arse remarks like y'all tend to do. Maybe that's the adult in me, maybe it the common courtesy and respect that I have for fellow Aces High game members.
The bottom line is maybe you two first need to understand what respect is before you start accusing someone else of not having it. As for honor and fair play. I am still waiting for an explanation. I play by the rules that HTC has provided, explain to me what else there is?
I'm not sure exactly where I did any name calling or made any smart assed remarks, but if I offended you I apologize. I have very clear concepts of what honor, respect, courtesy, and fair play - but I make no distinction between sitting across the table from someone playing chess and playing it over Yahoo. The people on the other side of the screen are people that are just as real as I am, even if I'll never meet them face to face. The curious dichotomy between values that are applicable 'in real life" and those applicable 'online' honestly puzzle me. Can you explain to me (without taking offense, as I truly intend none) how you manage that?
I will standby my statement, that this is a great game, I like playing it, and if you don't enjoy it, there is a simple fix to correct that.
Fred's OPINION
I have to throw in a little correction, maybe I will throw a little bit of a smart arse remark every now and then. :)
I haven't truly enjoyed the game in years. I kept coming back hoping that I would be re-captivated, but I always found myself disgusted with the gameplay in shorter and shorter time frames. Cancelled my account for the final time in the Spring, and packed away the 'flight gear'. I think that pretty much all of the people who feel the same way about this game as I did have also left in disgust. I know there is a small group of people trying to change the course of the game, but that seems as futile to me as standing in the Mississippi and spreading your arms trying to dam the river.
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sunday night is the 412th squad nite. Bring your A game.....you'll need it. We'll be in the 51s :salute
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Just know....if you attack RT or Jokers, be on the look out of who's on the ground looking at you :salute
LTARecon
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:noid I see this thread is still alive and well. :noid
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Sir - The difference is that you need/want an explanation, because you do not see the values of 'fair play' or 'honor' as being applicable to this game.
Again, this very clearly illustrates what I see as the difference between myself (and the small minority who see things like me) and you (and the vast majority of the online gaming 'community'). You seem to be saying that you understand the concepts of honor and respect, but you do not find them applicable to online games? Is that correct?
I'm not sure exactly where I did any name calling or made any smart assed remarks, but if I offended you I apologize. I have very clear concepts of what honor, respect, courtesy, and fair play - but I make no distinction between sitting across the table from someone playing chess and playing it over Yahoo. The people on the other side of the screen are people that are just as real as I am, even if I'll never meet them face to face. The curious dichotomy between values that are applicable 'in real life" and those applicable 'online' honestly puzzle me. Can you explain to me (without taking offense, as I truly intend none) how you manage that?
I haven't truly enjoyed the game in years. I kept coming back hoping that I would be re-captivated, but I always found myself disgusted with the gameplay in shorter and shorter time frames. Cancelled my account for the final time in the Spring, and packed away the 'flight gear'. I think that pretty much all of the people who feel the same way about this game as I did have also left in disgust. I know there is a small group of people trying to change the course of the game, but that seems as futile to me as standing in the Mississippi and spreading your arms trying to dam the river.
Urchin I feel we have hijacked this thread. It was not my intent, but it just seems that's the direction it took. I want to respond to your above statements, so I am going to start a new topic in the discussion board. It will simply be BMWgs and Urichin Discussion. I hope you will participate because I still don't believe you understand what I am asking. Maybe poor wording on my part, but none the less, I still don't think you understand what I am trying to ask or say.
I may not start this until tomorrow, since it is New Years Eve and I do have plans, but hopefully I can get to it this afternoon. If you do not wish to continue this discussion, just let me know by PM and we will just let the issue drop.
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Fred
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In reference to your post last night and today I see no difference it still sounds incoherent.
As for a EX member or members of our squad doing something that got them banned from the game well I'm sure that we are not the only squad that has had bad people in them, we of course would have reported them to HTC ourselves if it any wrong doing was know to us at that time and we may have kicked them from the squad already (it would be nice to know who you are talking about), so the point your trying to make is what to imply or to simply to cast aspersions on our squad I see no other value in your statement.
In your last statement you say that "some folk" are using the tools in the wrong way again implying that we do, I and all of my squad mates do take offence to that.
In your last line I and most of the good people and squads in any country would happen to agree with you, that the practices of all you mentioned is not condemned by enough people in order to curtail it.
If I don't respond to this post I would be negating my own values sorry for the delay<real life>. OK.....firstly I must say your squad doesn't behave in the messures that you think I'm insinuating when I said "some folk". A generalization to your words here
the fact is that we use the tools provided to us by HTC to meet our goals within the rules and if you don't, that I'm sorry to say, is your problem.
I was actually referring to the folk who blur rules and tools of AH with right and wrong. It's right you can change sides every hour but it's wrong to Pm where missions are going or Cv locations.
So...to make it perfectly clear I wasn't insinuating your squad does this....my apologies for the mix up. Equally though I'm not retracting my statement about those who were banned.
If it's any cancellation I don't regard your squad with the same disdain as the other in the OP. Clearly you show a better moral understanding of acceptable behaviour in the reply above.
I'll try and find those 2 names so you know I'm not squad bashing for the sake of it.
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Lynx is very funny on one thread he talks about using information to his advantage then bashes Jokers for doing the same. Amazing I think how this thread has even gotten this big I can't believe you folks have nothing else better to do. I am making my first post here. And the only reason i'm doin so to expose Lynx for what he is. A person who says what he wants during any given situation to try to make someone else look bad while he apparently takes the high ground. let me share with you a Quote from lynx in another thread with regard to intelligence.
In the words of the shawk look alike Alice Cooper.... "Schools out for summer".
Happens every year without fail. Some kids get to figure out how the game works to their.... muhahaha advantage. Unfortunately some kids don't realise their being taken advantage of by those that put them up to it.
P.S. Monitor channel 6 help orange text........a wealth of information can be gained
« Last Edit: July 10, 2008, 04:12:29 AM by LYNX »
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Just know....if you attack RT or Jokers, be on the look out of who's on the ground looking at you :salute
LTARecon
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Lynx is very funny on one thread he talks about using information to his advantage then bashes Jokers for doing the same. Amazing I think how this thread has even gotten this big I can't believe you folks have nothing else better to do. I am making my first post here. And the only reason i'm doin so to expose Lynx for what he is. A person who says what he wants during any given situation to try to make someone else look bad while he apparently takes the high ground. let me share with you a Quote from lynx in another thread with regard to intelligence.
In the words of the shawk look alike Alice Cooper.... "Schools out for summer".
Happens every year without fail. Some kids get to figure out how the game works to their.... muhahaha advantage. Unfortunately some kids don't realise their being taken advantage of by those that put them up to it.
P.S. Monitor channel 6 help orange text........a wealth of information can be gained
« Last Edit: July 10, 2008, 04:12:29 AM by LYNX »
:rofl They must really think that we are soooo slow.....
I decided to read a little farther into the thread Bronk was referring to. Since a few like to throw out Hitech's old quotes, here is one that should give a few some food for thought.
Hitech
And it makes no difference what his reasons are. If he is uping from a base and killing people, he is having an influence on the fight and field defense. If he is killing people at a field, he is influencing a base attack.
And as to 2 different games/play styles. There are a lot more than just 2.
Came from the same thread Bronk was referring to.
Fred
:rofl I see Bronk quote so many people and flip it to what he wants it to say,,,, what a tool.... :rofl
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I see the noe horde monkeys missed the the heart of it..... COMBAT=FUN
If you are flying horde noe you do so because it is the path of least resistance.
Also known as avoiding combat.... funny how that works
Take all the bases you want. I'm still going to call avoiding combat in a game in which that is the purpose is well..... ridiculous.
But what can I expect from players who cant grasp the concept of......collisions happen on their front ends.
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Ok, LYNX, how many times have I seen you bomb a CV that had no one at them and no one shelling the town? little mysterious.
As for the U2007 incident, that was proven by Skuzzy himself, that the other guy was another person in a completly diffrent country. Just keep believeing that to yourself troll.
BTW, all of what you posted was hearsay, can YOU prove it?
I have no idea how many times you have seen me bomb a CV with supposedly no one on them. Begs the question if no one was on them how you know / knew it was me?
Grizz beat me to the punch line where U2007 is concerned. Extraordinary how many times U2007 bumped into musashi isn't it? Extraordinary that the vast majority of his kills were in perk farming planes against musashi high ENY planes. Extraordinary that in MW 100 % of U2007's kills were against musashi. How very very suprising :rolleyes:
Again to reiterate where is musashi now it's all in the open.....would the real musashi please stand up :rofl
Hearsay you say. Closest thing to hearsay was Exhibit C quoting Lusche's post on page 5 of this thread. I see no reason for Lusche to make things up. You may want to take issue with him.
As for Exhibit B it's in black and white on the score pages. 200+ kills of the same guy. With Skuzzy saying it wasn't a shade you conveniently neglect the fact it PROVES U2007 was perk farming the living daylights out of a willing accomplice.
Lastly Exhibit A calling your own written word hearsay :rofl oh! dude...priceless.
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I see the noe horde monkeys missed the the heart of it..... COMBAT=FUN
If you are flying horde noe you do so because it is the path of least resistance.
Also known as avoiding combat.... funny how that works
Take all the bases you want. I'm still going to call avoiding combat in a game in which that is the purpose is well..... ridiculous.
But what can I expect from players who cant grasp the concept of......collisions happen on their front ends.
:rofl
Do I smell bronk calling someone names again.... :rofl
Whats the matter bronk, cant dig up another famous quote....
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:rofl
Do I smell bronk calling someone names again.... :rofl
Whats the matter bronk, cant dig up another famous quote....
Don't need to the last quote proves the point exquisitely.
Not my fault you fear the games intent now is it. Keep telling yourselves how good you are at sneaking bases with teh horde. :aok
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Do I smell bronk calling someone names again.... :rofl
Whats the matter bronk, cant dig up another famous quote....
looks like someone is avoiding the point..... much like they avoid a fight :D
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looks like someone is avoiding the point..... much like they avoid a fight :D
LOL NOEing the point... brilliant.
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Don't need to the last quote proves the point exquisitely.
Not my fault you fear the games intent now is it. Keep telling yourselves how good you are at sneaking bases with teh horde. :aok
If you feel that you are the spokeman for others in this game, your sadley mistaken. As to the games definition and intent on how to play it, you also are not the spokesman.
So what level does that leave you,,,,,, a player like the rest of us. Its sad to see all of this whining about noes, each side does them, some more than others.
Whats really funny, is that I only seen very few of you defend against them or even play in the same arena against us but have so much to say about nothing.
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I dont have to say how good I am,,,, I am just better than you.... :D
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If you feel that you are the spokeman for others in this game, your sadley mistaken. As to the games definition and intent on how to play it, you also are not the spokesman.
So what level does that leave you,,,,,, a player like the rest of us. Its sad to see all of this whining about noes, each side does them, some more than others.
Whats really funny, is that I only seen very few of you defend against them or even play in the same arena against us but have so much to say about nothing.
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Combat====you're afraid of. :aok
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What a waste of time reading this crap.
SPare yourself.
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Bring back..
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Nowhere to run to baby.....nowhere to hide...
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If you feel that you are the spokeman for others in this game, your sadley mistaken. As to the games definition and intent on how to play it, you also are not the spokesman.
Actualy, Bronk was voted in as the furballers guild spokesman in a secret location unknown to toolsheds. Hes DOES speak for alot of us when he says dive bombing and piledriving yourself onto an unmanned base for the sole purpose of obtaining that landmass is pointless and boring.
;)
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Combat====you're afraid of. :aok
Wow, you sure don't know Dadsguns. He is one of the most aggressive players in the game. He's the first to enter combat no matter who it is or what they're flying.
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so yet again we see that suspisions and stereotypes are fueling this argument. Lets all drop our gaurd and let the past lie and see if we are not all just running in circles bitting each other's ankles for no reason at all.
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Lynx is very funny on one thread he talks about using information to his advantage then bashes Jokers for doing the same. Amazing I think how this thread has even gotten this big I can't believe you folks have nothing else better to do. I am making my first post here. And the only reason i'm doin so to expose Lynx for what he is. A person who says what he wants during any given situation to try to make someone else look bad while he apparently takes the high ground. let me share with you a Quote from lynx in another thread with regard to intelligence.
In the words of the shawk look alike Alice Cooper.... "Schools out for summer".
Happens every year without fail. Some kids get to figure out how the game works to their.... muhahaha advantage. Unfortunately some kids don't realise their being taken advantage of by those that put them up to it.
P.S. Monitor channel 6 help orange text........a wealth of information can be gained
« Last Edit: July 10, 2008, 04:12:29 AM by LYNX »
Nice try Joker .... There's a world of difference between helping on channel 6 and what you imply I do on channel 6. I'll be first telling the newbies all sides see orange text and last to milk them for info. Of cause you won't want to know or believe that after trying to twist my tongue in cheek response to the original poster from the quoted thread.
The big difference between your implication of me helping on channel 6 and your admittance to err, lets say....underhanded play then bashes Jokers for doing the same
is I don't nor never have actively solicited help from spies. I neither have nor will act upon information given to me by spies, to which one of your younger squaddies will testify.
Your squad has some numbers and some good players in it. Some of them are good sticks, some are stand up chaps so why do you have to use less than fair means? Wanna find a captured Cv have one of your squaddies go find it. Wanna bust a mission read the dar. Have squaddies side switching to move CV's tell them not to or kick em out. Get unsolicited info tell them to **** OFF. The disappointing fact is you'd rather deflect than sort your own house out......the buck stops with you.
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so yet again we see that suspisions and stereotypes are fueling this argument. Lets all drop our gaurd and let the past lie and see if we are not all just running in circles bitting each other's ankles for no reason at all.
Suspicions? They defined themselves with the horde noe tactics. Sorry if pointing out it equates to path of least resistance or combat avoidance...In a game where combat is the point.
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Suspicions? They defined themselves with the horde noe tactics. Sorry if pointing out it equates to path of least resistance or combat avoidance...In a game where combat is the point.
Bronk is on his soap box and is posting this crap in every board, I am following this guy saying the same thing in each one...... :rofl :rofl :rofl
He has no clue........ :lol
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,255265.0.html
In this one above he is wishing for a dar bar against noes...... :lol anything that will defend against an noe but actually DEFEND against one..... :aok
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Bronk is on his soap box and is posting this crap in every board, I am following this guy saying the same thing in each one...... :rofl :rofl :rofl
He has no clue........ :lol
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,255265.0.html
In this one above he is wishing for a dar bar against noes...... :lol anything that will defend against an noe but actually DEFEND against one..... :aok
Yayyy I have a fan...go get me some coffee now..... black 1 sugar.
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I just think this is hilarious! Who cares? It's a cartoon we engage in for fun. Amazing it has reached this many pages.
Take bases, furball, GV, sit in the tower- it's all good! :aok
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Yayyy I have a fan...go get me some coffee now..... black 1 sugar.
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I wont spit in it, I promise,,,
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I wont spit in it, I promise,,,
Great I'd hate to have to verbally slap you around more..knowing how you love to avoid confrontations. :aok
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Great I'd hate for you to have to verbally slap me around more..knowing how I love to avoid confrontations. :aok
More like it, :lol
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Kills per Death + 1 0.94 1465
Kills per Sortie 0.52 1814
Kills per Hour of Flight 3.96 1606
Kills Hit Percentage 4.24 1868
Kill Points 18469.38 469
I can see why some would want to avoid combat at all costs. :aok
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Toolsheading? isn't that what this whole thing is about? 15 bucks, that's their money? You still don't get it? how do we know that they all are not lieing? how do you know that I am not lieing? Thats what hearsay is my friend. You can say that I believe him, but thats just being nieve. Never trust anyone you only know on thr internet. It dosn't matter who it is. Take the Voss incident for instance. Thats why everything you say about spying, is hearsay. As for the U2007 incident, ok so he's toolsheading. Like I said the other guy was from a diffrent country, and unless he lives in America and Australia at the same time, then he is not a cheater. Simple.
Del, I know you would own me in the DA anytime, but it is true that most of the time you do have the high ground and you are very good at it.
Bronk, there is know heart of that quote, that whole thing sums ups what he was saying, it's their 15$, they do what they want. They want to have fun, then have fun. If they want to take bases and win the war, let them do it.
Banshee, isn't it you who is always on the Jokers Jokers vox? Also, your just splitting hairs. GV's are ment to attack GVs, not to have some guy come in an A-20 and come and bomb 8 kills out of it. Thats what Tank Town is for. to Tank.
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Toolsheading? isn't that what this whole thing is about?
Read the sig...slowly if necessary.
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some people pay their 15 bucks to spend their day whining and trying to conjur up support for a policy that isnt going to happen. Some People.... :aok
If donkey thinks that score is meaningful to Some People other than himself, HHEEEE HAAAAWWWW :lol
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Sense of honor, fair play, and a reasonable even play field. The first two you will have to explain to me how that works in a war simulated game. The last one is already done when eny kicks in.
The point is to make the game enjoyable for everyone.
Most of us are here to test our skills in airial combat. Any of the better sticks can take on 1, 2 or even three opponents and have at least a chance of coming out on top. More than that and the likelyhood is slim to none so being the fourth, fifth or sixth guy in on a lone con isn't really fair play. Why not just fly on and find another con? You know, I was at an enemy base one night alone. I started out in a one on one and before I knew it there were thirty Rooks up all after me. After I died they all landed. What's up with that? Where's the fun in that for anyone?
You can't expect multitudes of opposing players to end their sorties to up to defend NOE hoard missions undetected to remote areas of the map that no one is watching. There's no way to reasonably defend against a 25-30 plane NOE mission like the one I took part in the other night. Back in AW I was CO of a 60+ member squad. We staged missions with planes taking off from as many as 5 bases and converging at our target. We didn't go NOE. We also didn't care if we won or lost; only that we had fun and we always did and so did our opponents.
Spying to alert the other side to missions or side switching to turn a CV into danger are probably a couple of the more dishonerable acts in the game aside from shade vulching. This is the true measure of doing anything to "win". I'm sorry but that's not winning. The ones who do this are true losers.
These are just a few examples. Shall I continue?
I'm not advocating that you should let a wounded plane go with a salute for a good fight like in the old days (yes, it's true and it was a pretty common practice because people were'nt obsessed with their scores). Like I said, it's about making the game fun for everyone.
There's an old saying... treat people the way you would like to be treated. That doesn't mean don't fight them and don't shoot them down. Just have a little common courtesy and if you do get shot down leave the 200/PM tirade crap at the door.
Do you understand now?
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Read the sig...slowly if necessary.
I would suggest you read, three more times. That was ment for the post, not for the game.
Oh, I forgot Trolls too.
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I would suggest you read, three more times. That was ment for the post, not for the game.
I see reading comprehension is not your strongest point.
Fist to words of the sig "the game" or does that translate into post in squeaker?
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Also, your just splitting hairs. GV's are ment to attack GVs, not to have some guy come in an A-20 and come and bomb 8 kills out of it. Thats what Tank Town is for. to Tank.
No they are there to promote combat. Guy kills you in tank, you up another. Another starts bombing, your countrymen bring fighters... ZOMG fun ensues imagine that.
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Nice try Joker .... There's a world of difference between helping on channel 6 and what you imply I do on channel 6. I'll be first telling the newbies all sides see orange text and last to milk them for info. Of cause you won't want to know or believe that after trying to twist my tongue in cheek response to the original poster from the quoted thread.
The big difference between your implication of me helping on channel 6 and your admittance to err, lets say....underhanded play is I don't nor never have actively solicited help from spies. I neither have nor will act upon information given to me by spies, to which one of your younger squaddies will testify.
Your squad has some numbers and some good players in it. Some of them are good sticks, some are stand up chaps so why do you have to use less than fair means? Wanna find a captured Cv have one of your squaddies go find it. Wanna bust a mission read the dar. Have squaddies side switching to move CV's tell them not to or kick em out. Get unsolicited info tell them to **** OFF. The disappointing fact is you'd rather deflect than sort your own house out......the buck stops with you.
Maybe Its time u stop worrying about everyone else who plays this game and start worrying about yourself.
You have no idea what goes on inside my squad. End of that statement.
If you would like to know come over and fly with us once or twice i think you'll find we have way more integrity than u give us credit for.
I never admitted using underhanded technics to gain info.
But lets face it you have been playing this game while and so have i the cv's are always hidden in the same spot the attacks always come from and to the same bases u don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure this crap out.
Besides On our squad we have some of the best map watchers in the game.
Busher ghi and vpcirc see things even i don't see.
So bottom line let's all grow up a bit and stop whining it bores me.
If you don't like my squad GOOOD aparently i have done my job.
If you don't like rolling thunder GOOOD apparently Falcon23 has done his job.
<S> Stop Us If You Can Or Shut it.
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Maybe Its time u stop worrying about everyone else who plays this game and start worrying about yourself.
You have no idea what goes on inside my squad. End of that statement.
If you would like to know come over and fly with us once or twice i think you'll find we have way more integrity than u give us credit for.
I never admitted using underhanded technics to gain info.
But lets face it you have been playing this game while and so have i the cv's are always hidden in the same spot the attacks always come from and to the same bases u don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure this crap out.
Besides On our squad we have some of the best map watchers in the game.
Busher ghi and vpcirc see things even i don't see.
So bottom line let's all grow up a bit and stop whining it bores me.
If you don't like my squad GOOOD aparently i have done my job.
If you don't like rolling thunder GOOOD apparently Falcon23 has done his job.
<S> Stop Us If You Can Or Shut it.
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Now lets all meet at the Bish Bar and have a few drinks,,, Free donkey rides for everyone..... :D
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How many seperate arguments are in this one thread? :rofl
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Well, a few...
Me smacking the donkey, Joker slapping lynx, etc. etc. oh the drama.... :rofl
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Well, a few...
Me smacking the donkey, Joker slapping lynx, etc. etc. oh the drama.... :rofl
Pointing out cartoon cowardice, horde monkeys. :aok
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yeah thats it donkey,,, you got it. :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok
why does all your posts end with this donkey? :aok
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And Oh BTW some people look at this game as a game of strategy and working towards a common goal climbing for 20 min to land 3 kills does'nt excite me but those that it does by all means do that.
I would much rather work as a team and try to WIN!
And BTW how that is done is by taking bases, and oh 1 more thing i did not create the game HiTech did if you have a problem with how you win here take it up with him.
The game has already been changed by all the whiners who just want to furball, we now have uncapturable bases this was'nt like this when i first started.
The way i which the game is won has changed you now have to take more bases to do this.
Y? u ask because the furballers whined.
war is a game its one of strategy and guess what using advantages.
Yes this just a cartoon game no doubt, but as such should i have to abide by your idea of fun?
To each his own.
I personally think all u cry babies are ruining this game and quite frankly i'm sick of it.
I don't want to change this game i just play it.
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Both squads often run open missions, which allow Noobies to join, as a new player its a nice change of pace from just flying solo and getting killed all the time and a way to make new friends in the game.
I give them kudo's for that
both squads seem pretty cool across country chn for what its worth
I'd have to say Jokers, cause they have Ghi (King o' the Bish) and alot of old vets from the Hornets
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Banshee, isn't it you who is always on the Jokers Jokers vox?As previously said...I enjoy flying with both squads when i'm bish..i just state facts
Also, your just splitting hairs. GV's are ment to attack GVs, not to have some guy come in an A-20 and come and bomb 8 kills out of it. Thats what Tank Town is for. to Tank. Ok...if that is so...why implement the IL2 with 37mm cannons... Why is the Ostwind, Wirblewind, and M16 in the game...to fight tanks?
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Both squads often run open missions, which allow Noobies to join, as a new player its a nice change of pace from just flying solo and getting killed all the time and a way to make new friends in the game.
I give them kudo's for that
both squads seem pretty cool across country chn for what its worth
I'd have to say Jokers, cause they have Ghi (King o' the Bish) and alot of old vets from the Hornets
They have several vets from Air Warriors as well.
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I would much rather work as a team and try to WIN!
What do you win? Trip to Hawaii?
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A whining Donkey rode hard and put away wet,...... :O
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yeah thats it donkey,,, you got it. :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok
why does all your posts end with this donkey? :aok
Figured you using :rofl in most of yours needed to be offset.
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A whining Donkey rode hard and put away wet,...... :O
Horde monkey trembles at the thought of combat.
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What do you win? Trip to Hawaii?
The satisfaction of winning as a team is quite popular with many games and sports
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Horde monkey trembles at the thought of combat.
cmon donkey,,, you can do better than that....
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You got me there, but thats to defend the GVs that cain't defend themself's from bomers like IL2s and B-25s. And why are the IL2s and the B25s here? to defend against the giant GV raids agaist undefended bases, look at that.
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The satisfaction of winning as a team is quite popular with many games and sports
Yes but you actually have to face the other team no?
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You got me there, but thats to defend the GVs that cain't defend themself's from bomers like IL2s and B-25s. And why are the IL2s and the B25s here? to defend against the giant GV raids agaist undefended bases, look at that.
isnt that exactly what i said?
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cmon donkey,,, you can do better than that....
Why your actions speak all for themselves...truth sting don't it. Have fun lemming.
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If you think that what your saying is the truth, only you believe it....
Your in your own world.
Now Im a lemming?
That explains it,,, your surely not from the USA..... I sensed an accent there.....
Being a donkey is a compliment for you, instead of what we like to call a jack arse which you are living up to.
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Yes but you actually have to face the other team no?
Sometimes, they forfeit.
isn't that exactly what i said?
Fixed :aok
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If donkey thinks that score is meaningful to
Damn I missed this.. I posted no score I posted statistics. Try looking in a dictionary for definitions.
Or is that beyond you?
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Sometimes, they forfeit.
Fixed :aok
You also don't get 30 vs 5 ... and those 5 only have 5 min to prep.
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If donkey thinks that stats is meaningful to Some People other than himself, HHEEEE HAAAAWWWW :D
Here you go donkey,,, fixed for ya... :aok :aok :aok :aok
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I posted this in that "other thread", but it applies here as well. Todays squads are whats killing the game. I'm not picking on any one squad, but its the general way in which most squads are today that I'm talking about.
Short side story....
I was in the 444th Air Mafia in both AW, and here in AH. I was CO the last year in AW, and the first year here. We were always a big squad, and we were pretty potent on squad nights. Our attacks were both the "brute force" type, or the "tactical" types ( I always loved the tactical captures with the multiple wings with all the different launch times and stuff) We had a plan called the "Lightning Strike" 1 goon and the rest hvy P38's. 7 minutes from dar ring to capture 90% of the time.... yes it was NOE. We did it all, one group to capture a base while a second killed ack at another then left it alone to make it look like we didn't want it, then we'd sneak it with a couple of 110s and a goon. The one thing we never did, was run from a fight. We would regroup, build a new plan and attack again. Many a night we would fight some of the other great squads head to head all night for the same 2 or 3 bases. Hours of fun where had by all.
I know all about "big squads", I know all about grabbing bases (best in AW was 13 bases in 3 hours, AH I think was 7 in 3 hours). Not to mention when we teamed up with other squads. Today its a different story. Its NOE or nothing, its always cannon planes, and should a few guys up a defense.... well thats the signal to move on. I'd bet most don't know what the term "conga line" refers too. Its a shame how many times I've upped at a base flown my 20 miles to the biggest dar bar on the map only to find the attack failed and everyone has moved on to some other place on the map. Today, if I was a squad leader I would again put together big missions, but they would have multiple tasks, different objectives, but mostly they would be designed for fun both for the attacker, as well as any defenders that wished o play, that what a "game" is all about. Do you like playing chess against your 5 year old nephew because you can annihilate him? Or do you play against him to have some fun, by putting your queen in trouble at the first opportunity to see him have the fun a capturing it, and making it a bit more fun for you to work with out it.
Being able to run 10 NOE's and get 8 of them through is great, but the question here is... should you? Avoiding the fights, avoiding thinking up new tactical plans and executing them sounds like fun to you? If so, your missing out on a lot that this game has to offer. The "trait" of taking the easy way is slowly killing this game. Its much harder to show some "honor" and let a 1 vs 1 play out than it is to just dive in and cherry pick the easy kill. Its much harder to use your "group" tactically" than it is to use it as brute force in a horde. It's much harder to show a little class and make things fun for everyone than it is to just run another NOE "for your country".
Well that's what I think about how the honor, and class, or fair game play comes in to this game me. Its sorely missing these days.
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If donkey thinks that stats is meaningful to Some People other than himself, HHEEEE HAAAAWWWW :D
Here you go donkey,,, fixed for ya... :aok :aok :aok :aok
Meaningful why yes..especially when trying to understand why some avoid combat at any cost.
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You also don't get 30 vs 5 ... and those 5 only have 5 min to prep.
Hey, sometimes people get orginized a bit faster than others.
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Meaningful why yes..especially when trying to understand why some avoid combat at any cost.
Is that why I have never seen you fight me?
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I give up.....Will you two STFU please :D
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Fugitive.. brilliant post.
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Is that why I have never seen you fight me?
There are many I've not fought... Makes it harder when your below dar and the base is gone before I can land though.
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I must say after further review and the encounter i had with joker thismorning Rolling thunder is a far better squad. Joker has no class and if his attitude reflects the rest of the jokers then i feel sorry for those that belong to that squad, unlike thunder i can carry on a repectfull conversation with Falcon23 and other members of his squad fly or die with no jealousy or attitude. The same cant be said about jokers which is to bad. <S> Rolling Thunder!!!
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There are many I've not fought... Makes it harder when your below dar and the base is gone before I can land though.
Your a liar, and I am calling you out. Feel free to find me anytime.
Come to LW sometime, I would be happy to give you a fight. That way you dont have to keep using your piss poor excuses of not fighting.
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Your a liar, and I am calling you out. Feel free to find me anytime.
Come to LW sometime, I would be happy to give you a fight. That way you dont have to keep using your piss poor excuses of not fighting.
Da? FM2 at 5k best out of 5?
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Time to go play, enough of the two 5 year olds.
I must say after further review and the encounter i had with joker thismorning Rolling thunder is a far better squad. Joker has no class and if his attitude reflects the rest of the jokers then i feel sorry for those that belong to that squad, unlike thunder i can carry on a repectfull conversation with Falcon23 and other members of his squad fly or die with no jealousy or attitude. The same cant be said about jokers which is to bad. <S> Rolling Thunder!!!
We get mad at you Smokey, when you were once a Bish, and you are the first to find our mission and take them down. I believe that, that does not show any honor with your former country, or your fellow contry men. Thats why we asked you not to come back to bish, but we are not directing you to stay rook either. We cannot force you to stay there, and we cannot force you to come back. Your choice to stay there.
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Da? FM2 at 5k?
Oh now you wont come to LW?
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there is another reason for having a large squad that is not just for the sake of winning teh war. We started as a little squad years ago and people just kept joining. We all fly together because we get along and have fun. We rarely have more than 10 of us on channel at once but there is always a couple of friendly faces to fly with. If we do a squad night it is fighter sweeps and hitting the biggest red dar bar everytime.
\It doesnt take a big squad to make a horde, i think that is wrong. There are a huge ammount of players, that is the horde,that is the MA. if you want 1 on1 there is plently of places to do it.
I think the mian problem here is the old timers trying to get their oldschool fix in the wrong arenas. Come to DA or TA, or fly the MA off peak time. All i know is the more ungratefull we act here the less likely HTC will keep supplying us with new goodies, or maybe even the game all together. Please for gods sake people, appreciate what we have and stop making the glass seem half empty when its at least half full.
S!
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ok..ive been nice
I hate both squads...matter of fact i Hate everybody. Each and every one of you poor pathetic losers the dont have a real life and play a computer game all day :D
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20 pages of crap :aok
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Oh now you wont come to LW?
What need the horde? :rofl
You called me out...come now you must want a fair fight?
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20 pages of crap :aok
oh well....my post count is going up :lol
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You mean,,, What Do I need the Horde..? NO
But I dont need you to dictate what I will shoot you down in.
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You mean,,, What Do I need the Horde..? NO
But I dont need you to dictate what I will shoot you down in.
then its not a duel :aok If you have more skill than the other person you should be able to beat them in any plane
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then its not a duel :aok If you have more skill than the other person you should be able to beat them in any plane
shhhh
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shhhh
:D just sayin
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If you have more skill than the other person you should be able to beat them in any plane
exactley
What do ya say donkey, I am a little rusty, been off for about two weeks.....
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I say Ju87s at 40 paces.
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If you have more skill than the other person you should be able to beat them in any plane
exactley
then why not make it a fair 1v1...co alt, co E....both planes exactly the same..the only difference would be pilot skill
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Well donkey,,,?
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I add all this fuel to the fire and Bronk logs from the boards
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Jeep vs. Jeep... Blindfolded.... with 2 supplies.... :O
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If you have more skill than the other person you should be able to beat them in any plane
exactley
What do ya say donkey, I am a little rusty, been off for about two weeks.....
You called me out.
best out of 5.
Start with the fm2
Winner picks next.
I don't fear losing to you. If you win, you win and I'll <S> for it same if you lose. I'm not the greatest cartoon pilot but I will fight.
The bonus is we might learn something from one another.
Up to you .. the offer stands.
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Jeep vs. Jeep... Blindfolded.... with 2 supplies.... :O
jeep wars were always fun in TT
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You called me out.
best out of 5.
Start with the fm2
Winner picks next.
I don't fear losing to you. If you win, you win and I'll <S> for it same if you lose. I'm not the greatest cartoon pilot but I will fight.
The bonus is we might learn something from one another.
Up to you .. the offer stands.
always knew you were listed as "hidden" at the bottom where it lists who all is active :D
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Mad at you Banshee! :furious last night's mission bust, still got me POed.. :huh
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Time to go play, enough of the two 5 year olds. We get mad at you Smokey, when you were once a Bish, and you are the first to find our mission and take them down. I believe that, that does not show any honor with your former country, or your fellow contry men. Thats why we asked you not to come back to bish, but we are not directing you to stay rook either. We cannot force you to stay there, and we cannot force you to come back. Your choice to stay there.
Horrible attitude Bosco. Lynchmob went on tour a couple months back just to get a change in scenery. By no means was it meant as some "dishonor" to some chess piece. We found that people in red that made our lives miserable were actually really good people. I personally think its silly to be "shunned" from one country just because we shot you down. We were a bish born squad so we know that the bish community is pretty tight...trust me, there is a whoooole other level here you guys are missing out on and I highly recommend you try it.
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always knew you were listed as "hidden" at the bottom where it lists who all is active :D
That's called NOE damn it. :D
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You called me out.
best out of 5.
Start with the fm2
Winner picks next.
I don't fear losing to you. If you win, you win and I'll <S> for it same if you lose. I'm not the greatest cartoon pilot but I will fight.
The bonus is we might learn something from one another.
Up to you .. the offer stands.
No. Its what you want and are probably accustomed to, and its not going to be your way.
You want to fight, meet me in the LW, we can pick a base nearby and duke it out in whatever we choose.
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Mad at you Banshee! :furious last night's mission bust, still got me POed.. :huh
lol...7 sets of Lanccs...110s...nikis...F4Us. ...0 buildings destroyed :aok The guy that ratted you out was on the way to the base you guys took off from to take out ord :)
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No. Its what you want and are probably accustomed to, and its not going to be your way.
You want to fight, meet me in the LW, we can pick a base nearby and duke it out in whatever we choose.
typical...he wants to fight where "just in case he starts to lose...his buddies can magically show up without his telling them to"
Just go to the DA
That's called NOE damn it. :D
d'oh!!!! i need to get with the program
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Remember Banshee, they could use the f3 mode in da, I think a early or midwar would be great meeting place for those 2...
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typical...he wants to fight where "just in case he starts to lose...his buddies can magically show up without his telling them to"
Trust me, that would never happen.
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Dadsguns, don't be a weenie like when I called you out way back.
Duels are done in the DA. Man up and fight the guy for once.
(typical DA rules)
Bronk issued the challenge so DadsGuns gets to pick the first plane.
Then Bronk picks, then DadsGuns.
Pre-agreed upon alt.
You can not go OVER that alt pre-merge.
Fight is best of 5.
So DadsGuns gets the first pick of plane because Bronk issued the challenge.
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Dont...trust...anyone
Simple as that
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Its my way or the highway....... :salute
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Its my way or the highway....... :salute
what i figured
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Lute. Im curious to see what the conclusion was when you called him out
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Lute. Im curious to see what the conclusion was when you called him out
Me too
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Lute. Im curious to see what the conclusion was when you called him out
if i know Lute well enough....it didnt go well for Dadsguns IF he even fought Lute
Me too
apparently he wimped out on Lute too
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Lute. Im curious to see what the conclusion was when you called him out
He talked a bunch of smack like he is doing now and wouldn't go to the DA with me.
Made a ton of excuses, never went.
He woulda gotten whooped anyway and we both knew it.
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No. Its what you want and are probably accustomed to, and its not going to be your way.
You want to fight, meet me in the LW, we can pick a base nearby and duke it out in whatever we choose.
LoL I'd want more than that also.
Merge at 5k and no climbing over before the initial merge...no HO on initial merge... no extending more than 2.0. 25% fuel.
Ohh and we send one another the films from take off to landing to ensure no fudging.
My friend it's called a fair fight.
Like I said we both could learn something not only about air combat... but a better understanding where the other is coming from... Text doesn't come across as well as speech.
Your choice.. the offer stands.
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Dadsguns, don't be a weenie like when I called you out way back.
Duels are done in the DA. Man up and fight the guy for once.
(typical DA rules)
Bronk issued the challenge so DadsGuns gets to pick the first plane.
Then Bronk picks, then DadsGuns.
Pre-agreed upon alt.
You can not go OVER that alt pre-merge.
Fight is best of 5.
So DadsGuns gets the first pick of plane because Bronk issued the challenge.
He called me out to a fight.
Your a liar, and I am calling you out. Feel free to find me anytime.
Come to LW sometime, I would be happy to give you a fight. That way you dont have to keep using your piss poor excuses of not fighting.
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Nothing against you Dads..but...
after I seen what he did to Cmustard in a duel..I truley think Lute was toying with the poor boy. and not lick anyones boots here but my moneys on Bronk.
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LoL I'd want more than that also.
Merge at 5k and no climbing over before the initial merge...no HO on initial merge... no extending more than 2.0. 25% fuel.
Ohh and we send one another the films from take off to landing to ensure no fudging.
My friend it's called a fair fight.
Like I said we both could learn something not only about air combat... but a better understanding where the other is coming from... Text doesn't come across as well as speech.
Your choice.. the offer stands.
I dont DA, mainley too many restrictions, but if you want a fight, we can go now.
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He called me out to a fight.
Ok then, YOU get to pick the first plane then, then him, etc.
These are time honored rules that go back well over a decade (if not almost two).
There is no REASONABLE excuse for DadsGuns to not go to the DA for this.
It is how it is done since before AcesHigh and is "fair".
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I'll be on at about 7pm est. If you agree to the rules of engagement I'll be there with bells on.
<S>
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I dont DA, mainley too many restrictions, but if you want a fight, we can go now.
Restrictions???
Same plane, co-alt, co-energy.
In other words a level playing field.
Do tell what about that scares you?
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Ok then, YOU get to pick the first plane then, then him, etc.
These are time honored rules that go back well over a decade (if not almost two).
There is no REASONABLE excuse for DadsGuns to not go to the DA for this.
It is how it is done since before AcesHigh and is "fair".
Fair, there is nothing fair in a fight. What you want in DA is an optimal start of an engagment, if you have practiced for that and anticipate the move, its easy. I however dont have that experience which bronk surely does.
Out of his element and to conduct a fight where he can have and advantage or free reign is ok with me, since that is what a fight is about.
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Fair, there is nothing fair in a fight. What you want in DA is an optimal start of an engagment, if you have practiced for that and anticipate the move, its easy. I however dont have that experience which bronk surely does.
Out of his element and to conduct a fight where he can have and advantage or free reign is ok with me, since that is what a fight is about.
in other words you dont know what to do in a co alt, co e, 1v1 merge...even in the MA.
Must be a HO n GO er
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This is way done.