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Title: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: Treize69 on January 03, 2009, 07:28:34 PM
http://www.thirdwire.com/project_wwi_combo.htm

The graphics look cool, but without a demo I'm a bit leery of paying for it if its really arcade style FM and damage, or if its not got good playability. But I loves me my WWI planes, so if its any good, I I might get it for my wood-and-canvas fix.

(http://www.thirdwire.com/images/wwi_exp1_02.jpg)
(http://www.thirdwire.com/images/wwi14.jpg)
(http://www.thirdwire.com/images/wwi04.jpg)
(http://www.thirdwire.com/images/wwi_exp1_15.jpg)
(http://www.thirdwire.com/images/wwi_exp1_16.jpg)
(http://www.thirdwire.com/images/wwi_exp1_07.jpg)
(http://www.thirdwire.com/images/wwi_exp1_11.jpg)
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on January 03, 2009, 07:31:32 PM
Try the Over Flanders Fields mod for MS CFS 3. I love it.
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: fudgums on January 03, 2009, 07:50:00 PM
can you play this online?
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: Treize69 on January 03, 2009, 07:53:46 PM
From waht I'm reading, I think its a mission-based offline bax-type game.

I'm DLing it now, I'll give a report a bit later after I've tried it out.

I couldn't wait for a review from the community, had to try it out. I figure even if it stinks, its a lot less than many other boxed games I've bought and hated.
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: BnZs on January 03, 2009, 08:08:21 PM
I have First Eagles...

It isn't terrible, but it won't take you away from AHII for long. Just not enough variety in missions, or variables from an AI opponent.

Also, the viewing system is bizarre. There are no icons, the snap views are inadequate. (Apparently they believe pilots couldn't swivel their head and torso to look around more than 90 degrees to either side.)  To track the foe you must use keys or buttons to lock your "visual targeting" onto them and toggle padlock. Really wierd.
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: Treize69 on January 03, 2009, 08:20:30 PM
Doesn't work. Crashes back to desktop as soon as I click "fly". And I have all the requirements too.  :cry
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: texastc316 on January 03, 2009, 09:36:01 PM
NOTE: This game does not work on Windows Vista.
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: Motherland on January 03, 2009, 09:39:08 PM
Cool, it works with TrackIR, I may have to check this out.
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: Treize69 on January 03, 2009, 10:38:06 PM
I got it to work, had to update my direct X (the one that comes with it is out of date) and fiddle with the graphic settings.

Only thing I really dont like is the icons- you get icons for everything, air and ground, that is on the map- I had one for an AAA gun at 17 miles away! The FM is arcadish, but fun, and the graphics are great. Definitely gonna be able to kill some time with this one.

I get to fly an Albatros...  :devil
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: John Curnutte on January 04, 2009, 01:24:36 AM
 I was just searching for a WW1 flight sim , Treize and this looks good , but I'd like an online game if possible . If anybody knows of one could you please post it up . Sometimes after lots of AH2 a break for a bit would be cool .
                                                                         Thanks Nutte :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: Treize69 on January 04, 2009, 01:26:13 AM
Theres a multiplayer tab in the menu, but I haven't clicked it yet. Theres also a tab in the career mode to "track online campaign stats", haven't tried that one either.
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: 715 on January 04, 2009, 02:00:02 AM
It "comes" with an out of date DirectX?  You mean it clobbers your up to date install of DirectX with an out of date one??
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on January 04, 2009, 09:24:31 AM
I was just searching for a WW1 flight sim , Treize and this looks good , but I'd like an online game if possible . If anybody knows of one could you please post it up . Sometimes after lots of AH2 a break for a bit would be cool .
                                                                         Thanks Nutte :rolleyes:

Several of the guys in Over Flanders Fields host multiple player games, at least on a somewhat regular basis, especially on nights and weekends, there were two last night. I have not tried one, yet, I'm still working on my set up. You can pick up any copy of MS CFS 3 cheap, $10 or less, shipping and all. The guys on the forum will send you a DVD copy of Over Flanders Fields Phase 2 for free, there's a sticky post on the BBS for requests. The biggest drawback is the marked difference between MS CFS 3 and AH.
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: Dace on January 04, 2009, 03:57:51 PM
OOO...no Pfalz, no dice. :frown:
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: Treize69 on January 04, 2009, 08:05:35 PM
I have the Pfalz, theres an addon for just about every aircraft that flew in the war. One night of looking online for addons and I've more than tripled my flyable aircraft- including virtually the entire Nieuport line, from the 16 to the 28.  :aok

Its got a moddable engine, like CFS, so if you can make it and write up an FM for it, you can add it. LOTS of choices.
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: Treize69 on January 05, 2009, 12:57:04 AM
I'm enjoying it so far, I just had a good 5-minute long dogfight in a SPAD XIII against a Fokker D.VII. Started at about 3,000 feet with a merge to a climbing scissors, ended up a turn and burn on the deck right over no-mans-land, dodging hills and trying to get more than a half-second snapshot. Whole time had a wingman following me and keeping my six clear, and finally got enough rounds into him to make him spin in. All that after getting another D.VII with a bounce and flaming the engine of a recon bomber. Was a blast.

I'm now running a USAS campaign (SPADs in the 49th Aero), I had a GIAS one until I got killed with 5 missions and 7 kills (6 a/c and a balloon, Jasta 4 Albatros's) and decided to start a new one. I'm getting quite a kick out of it right now. Really getting my wood-and-canvas fix.  :aok
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: Treize69 on January 05, 2009, 01:35:21 AM
Two screenies I took quick in game- note the pilots.

(http://80thfs.homestead.com/img00001.JPG)

(http://80thfs.homestead.com/img00003.JPG)
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: Ack-Ack on January 05, 2009, 02:33:11 AM
This is the WWI sim I'm waiting for.

(http://www.riseofflight.com/i/s/f/p1.jpg)

(http://www.riseofflight.com/i/s/f/p2.jpg)

(http://www.riseofflight.com/i/s/f/p27.jpg)

(http://www.riseofflight.com/i/s/f/p8.jpg)

(http://www.riseofflight.com/i/s/f/p21.jpg)

(http://www.riseofflight.com/i/s/f/p31.jpg)

(http://www.riseofflight.com/i/s/f/p26.jpg)

(http://www.riseofflight.com/i/s/f/p29.jpg)

(http://www.riseofflight.com/i/s/f/p35.jpg)

Rise Of Flight (http://www.riseofflight.com/en/index.html)


ack-ack
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: Denholm on January 05, 2009, 04:32:49 PM
Wow! That's some incredible graphics. Let's just hope the flight models and physics are realistic.
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: Treize69 on January 05, 2009, 04:38:31 PM
This is the WWI sim I'm waiting for.

(http://www.riseofflight.com/i/s/f/p1.jpg)

(http://www.riseofflight.com/i/s/f/p2.jpg)

(http://www.riseofflight.com/i/s/f/p27.jpg)

(http://www.riseofflight.com/i/s/f/p8.jpg)

(http://www.riseofflight.com/i/s/f/p21.jpg)

(http://www.riseofflight.com/i/s/f/p31.jpg)

(http://www.riseofflight.com/i/s/f/p26.jpg)

(http://www.riseofflight.com/i/s/f/p29.jpg)

(http://www.riseofflight.com/i/s/f/p35.jpg)

Rise Of Flight (http://www.riseofflight.com/en/index.html)


ack-ack

Those vids.  :O
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: Curval on January 05, 2009, 06:59:09 PM
OOO...no Pfalz, no dice. :frown:

pfft...Pfalz dweeb.

;)
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: Reschke on January 05, 2009, 11:07:40 PM
That Rise of Flight one looks great. If anyone is willing to give it a try there is one mod in development for Targetware that deals with WW1. I played it a couple of versions back and it was pretty good but you could tell that it was still a good bit away from being a polished product. Just a little info there.
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: Coog03 on January 06, 2009, 02:32:04 AM
Both games look like alot fun. Furball's would be great.
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: Treize69 on January 06, 2009, 02:49:41 AM
I tell you what, I wish I'd found this game a long time ago, and I wish it had a film recorder like Aces High- I just had the most intense brawl I've ever had against AI, in all the different sims of all the different eras I've flown.

Leading a flight of four Albatros D.Vs in a bounce on a flight of RE 8 bombers, when, after one of my wingmen gets shot down by a tailgunner, we get bounced ourselves by a flight of Camels. Now, of course, theres no radio comms back then, so the only inkling I have that somethings gone VERY wrong is when I look over my shoulder to see a pair of smoke spirals going down. Theres no icons in this game (unless you fly it in the easy settings), so I didn't know at first if they were my guys or more bad guys going down- until I look up and see a daisy-chain of four Camels rolling over and diving on me.

I pulled up hard to go nose-to-nose with them and kicked the rudder to spoil their aim, them snapped over to go down after them (we were only around 3,000 feet at the start). The Brits split up into two pairs- one pair zooms up while the other breaks down and left. Since I can't climb with a Camel that has a headsart (and don't want to be sandwiched when I stall out), I continue down after the divers. We end up flat on the deck over a German airbase (literally dodging hangars and trucks) and start scissoring and turning, going around a few time before reversing and going the other way. By this point, all four are back on me, and taking turns shooting. Tracers flashing everywhere and the occasional round smacking into my wooden fuselage.

So after about two minutes of dodging, I finally make the leading Camel overshoot. He zooms almost straight up, and before I can even think about it, I go sailing up after him. I catch him almost perfectly inverted, and fire just as I stall out and he is coming over the top of his loop- a two-second burst, and he stops like he hit a brick wall, snaps his nose down 90 degrees and dives straight into the ground. Two of the remaining Camels zoom up to get a bit of alt on me, while the third (probably my victims wingman) stays on me and enters into a scissors. Three or four reversals, and he either tries to take it vertical or disengage- but he pulls up and tries to enter a turn. Hard right rudder, yank back on the stick as hard as I can, and track him across, pumping in rounds from no more than fifty yards out. Both of his right wings rip off just past the strut assembly, and he snap spins into the trees.

The other two are still above me, and I'm slow and vulnerable. I nose down and hug the deck to build my speed back up, and after about 45 seconds, pull up into an Immelman to reengage. They make another nose-on merge, and go into a hard right turn after we pass. I engage, and we start a scissors at about 500 feet. Back and forth, back and forth, trying to get a solution on one and not drift in front of the other. Finally I get behind them both, and vector-roll to get squarely on the tail of the trailer. He pulls into a max-G right climbing turn, I track him, a one-second tracking shot and he spirals in with a smaoking engine and probably a few Maxim bullets lodged in his body. Now its down to one on one.

The final one was almost anti-climactic. After downing the third, reverse to reacquire the remaining Camel. I'm now above him, and he's apparently trying to disengage- but at this point my blood is boiling and I'm foaming at the mouth- he's not going home. I go ino a shallow diving turn, cut him off, and rake him from nose to tail firing from high and right of him. His engine bursts into flames, the top wing snaps off, and down he goes. Suddenly, after what must have been nearly ten minutes of non-stop maneuvering, dodging, throttle jockeying and shooting, the sky is clear and the sudden calm is almost overwhelming. I am literally panting and wiping the sweat off my palms, talking to myself and almost in shock to still be "alive". 15 minutes later, after a low and straight flight (alone) to my home field, I flare and land, still panting.

It was, aside from a few scenarios over the years of WB and AH, the most immersive and intense fight I've ever been in in a sim. Oh, how I wish they had a film viewer so I could watch and see just exactly what happened. I almost ditched before I even got into the fight, I was so sure I wouldn't make it. And I landed with 5 (got one of the RE 8s too).

Was farkin AWESOME!
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: Serenity on January 06, 2009, 03:33:41 AM
Theres no icons in this game (unless you fly it in the easy settings), so I didn't know at first if they were my guys or more bad guys going down

That's enough right there to make me want this game! lol.
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: AWwrgwy on January 06, 2009, 07:15:18 AM
I tell you what, I wish I'd found this game a long time ago, and I wish it had a film recorder like Aces High- I just had the most intense brawl I've ever had against AI, in all the different sims of all the different eras I've flown.

(snipped for brevity)


I wonder if FRAPS would work for recording if your computer has the resources?



wrongway
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: Treize69 on January 06, 2009, 10:57:13 AM
It would wrongway, but a fight that long would make a massively huge file. And it would all be a recording if what I was looking at, a decidedly limited view of the fight. Which is why I said a film recorded like AH- able to see external views of all participants and figure out what actually happened, not just see it from one participants POV.
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: Ack-Ack on January 06, 2009, 01:05:52 PM
All this talk is giving me the urge to break out with my old copy of Rowan's Flying Circus Gold and load it up on XP but unfortunately, when I do I can't get the joystick to work.  IMO, it was a far better WW1 sim than RB3D.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: John Curnutte on January 06, 2009, 02:43:18 PM
 I have gots to try out some of this stuff , keep'em coming guys looks good to me.
                Nutte
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: Treize69 on January 06, 2009, 02:47:09 PM
The basic boxed game is a bit disappointing, but being a game that can be modded, theres a multitude of addon planes, FMs, maps, scenarios, etc. The more I find, the better it seems to get.

Theres a few addons that are a bust (like faulty animations on planes or very poor FMs), but on the whole the community has done a great job with this one. The hi-res terrain and buildings I just found and added almost looks liek watchin ga movie. Its awesome.
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: OOZ662 on January 07, 2009, 03:57:47 AM
All this talk is giving me the urge to break out with my old copy of Rowan's Flying Circus Gold

Makes me feel like whipping out WarBirds. Gotta love Otto.
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: Treize69 on January 13, 2009, 02:53:10 PM
Two GIFs taken in game and edited with Growlers Guncam software. First film is in a Nieuport 28 of the 103rd Aero against a flight of Fokker D.VIIs. Got the first one with a quick burst (note the stopped prop as I overshoot), the second kept trying to run away and I kept having to pump a few rounds into or near him to make him turn so I could attack.

(http://80thfs.homestead.com/Jan13-2009-03-19PM.gif)

Second, again in a 103rd Aero Nieuport 28, is a pair of German observation baloons and DFW observation bombers. Those things are lethal, have a fast firing MG in the back and another up front. Note the Nieuport going down smoking in front of the first DFW I got- he was shooting him down while his gunner was trying to keep me from shooting him down :)


(http://80thfs.homestead.com/Jan13-2009-03-38PM.gif)

Really enjoying this one so far. :)
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: Gwjr2 on January 13, 2009, 05:05:25 PM
had a blast last night 3 missions and 3 medals lol I like how you can take out the rear gunners then the pilot and the plane will spiral outta control  :D

I heard there's good terr mods but haven't put em in yet , just have the expansion pak w/November patch
atm

T do you have a list of add ons you have or where to get em Ive been to a few sites but was wondering if you found a good 1 stop shop?
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: Treize69 on January 13, 2009, 05:25:27 PM
Best I've found is http://combatace.com/ but you have to be a paid member to download from their site. I'd suggest googling "First Eagles Addons" or "First Eagles" and the type of plane you're looking for. Most sites that have planes to DL also have maps, missions and campaigns to DL too. Just need to look around for what works for you.
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: Gwjr2 on January 13, 2009, 05:54:39 PM
Ya Im a member there for WO* series seems to be the best location  :aok

T you see this post has great reading... :O
http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?showtopic=24902 (http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?showtopic=24902)
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: Ack-Ack on January 13, 2009, 08:31:50 PM
Best I've found is http://combatace.com/ but you have to be a paid member to download from their site. I'd suggest googling "First Eagles Addons" or "First Eagles" and the type of plane you're looking for. Most sites that have planes to DL also have maps, missions and campaigns to DL too. Just need to look around for what works for you.

Just ordered the game and hopefully the AI will prove to more challenging than the majority of players in here (sad thing is, the AI probably will).  Could you please post some links to any of the add on sites you recommend?


ack-ack
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: Bodhi on January 13, 2009, 09:03:46 PM
This is the WWI sim I'm waiting for.

(http://www.riseofflight.com/i/s/f/p1.jpg)

(http://www.riseofflight.com/i/s/f/p2.jpg)

(http://www.riseofflight.com/i/s/f/p27.jpg)

(http://www.riseofflight.com/i/s/f/p8.jpg)

(http://www.riseofflight.com/i/s/f/p21.jpg)

(http://www.riseofflight.com/i/s/f/p31.jpg)

(http://www.riseofflight.com/i/s/f/p26.jpg)

(http://www.riseofflight.com/i/s/f/p29.jpg)

(http://www.riseofflight.com/i/s/f/p35.jpg)

Rise Of Flight (http://www.riseofflight.com/en/index.html)


ack-ack

Looks excellent, but WOW on those system requirements.
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: Treize69 on January 13, 2009, 09:51:01 PM
Just ordered the game and hopefully the AI will prove to more challenging than the majority of players in here (sad thing is, the AI probably will).  Could you please post some links to any of the add on sites you recommend?


ack-ack

The link I posted is the best I've found, but since I have a stupid adware virus that crashes my IE whenever I try to use google, I can't really search for addons unless I use yahoo search, which is nowhere near as good.

The AI is really hit or miss, one mission you can get slaughtered by enemy fighters or cut to shreds by laser accurate gunners, and the next you can absolutely destroy them without a scratch. Much like real pilots- its not an across the board level field you go against. There are mods you can find for AI, both enemy pilots and gunners. Some fights are long and white-knuckle, others you can take out half a flight before they even notice you're there. I actually think thats quite realistic, and it makes it more unpredictable. A couple of easy flights, then you get bounced by a squadron of aces and have to fight like hell to survive.

Just remember, don't assume your first experience is how its always going to be, especially once you start adding mods. My first few flights I got creamed, then I cleaned house a few after that. Gotta fly it for a few days to really decide whether its for you.
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: OOZ662 on January 13, 2009, 10:37:00 PM
Or, switch to FireFox with AdBlocker Plus and NoScript addons. :D
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: Treize69 on January 13, 2009, 11:27:01 PM
Firefox is almost as evil as Wal*Mart and bottled water. Your sould dies just a little each time.  :noid
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: Gwjr2 on January 14, 2009, 05:06:10 AM
LOL combatace site has the best of all......now Im playn WOI   :huh too but added a F35 F22, Super bug and a Fulcrum, +weapons paks, almost wish we had LGBs here   :lol  the nOOks look great at sunset in the middle east lol  :rock

(http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?autocom=downloads&req=display&code=ss&full=1&id=7052)
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: OOZ662 on January 14, 2009, 08:11:00 AM
Firefox is almost as evil as Wal*Mart and bottled water. Your sould dies just a little each time.  :noid

And Micro$oft isn't? :lol
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: Treize69 on January 14, 2009, 11:07:02 AM
Microshaft is simply evil, with no supernatural influence behind it. Wal*Mart and Firefox are tools of the AntiChrist.

Choice between man made evil and destroy the world evil, I'll take manmade.
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: Denholm on January 14, 2009, 11:32:55 AM
Did you get that last update for Internet Explorer released by Microsoft? It fixes a major security hole which starts with symptoms you're describing (IE Crashing).  Check the windows update website to make sure:

www.windowsupdate.com

If anything is listed under the, "High Priority" section you need to get those updates and install them. Afterward it might be wise to run a free online scan here:

www.eset.com/onlinescan/
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: Tr1gg22 on January 14, 2009, 03:59:47 PM
Trieze thanks for the play by play I will check this out and the one AKAK POsted  :salute
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: Treize69 on January 14, 2009, 04:18:28 PM
Did you get that last update for Internet Explorer released by Microsoft? It fixes a major security hole which starts with symptoms you're describing (IE Crashing).  Check the windows update website to make sure:

www.windowsupdate.com

If anything is listed under the, "High Priority" section you need to get those updates and install them. Afterward it might be wise to run a free online scan here:

www.eset.com/onlinescan/

Used both links, nothing found and no real change, except now I get a fake "virus scan" page from yahoo and a japanese looking error page for google and youtube instead of an outright crash. Thanks though.  :cry
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: Ack-Ack on January 14, 2009, 07:21:26 PM
Trieze thanks for the play by play I will check this out and the one AKAK POsted  :salute

The one I posted hopefully will be released some time this quarter but it's looking like it might be pushed back to Q2 or even Q3 of this year. 


ack-ack
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: Treize69 on January 15, 2009, 02:22:37 PM
More guncam That first D7 just wouldn't go down! I must have put about 100 rounds into him before he finally gave up the ghost. Other three went much easier.

(http://80thfs.homestead.com/Jan13-2009-04-53PM.gif)
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: tbm37323 on January 15, 2009, 05:58:59 PM
DAMN! i have vista so i can't run the game!
Title: Re: Has anyone tried this WWI sim?
Post by: Treize69 on January 26, 2009, 03:16:14 PM
My new wallpaper, found at http://www.theaerodrome.com/. Call it "Snoopy's Christmas".  :aok

(http://blackheart.smugmug.com/photos/450669539_baNNc-L.jpg)