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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: kamori on January 08, 2009, 05:19:20 PM
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I think the better scores are the ones who PLAY THE GAME BETTER ? They are NOT The best turn fighters or GV drivers..They PLAY THE GAME...get it ? Its a game with ability to get a score..Why is it bad to milk run opposed to turn fight? Why is it bad to up in fighter mode and FLY SMART AND SAFE to keep from dying? I think that those who score well Over all the rest PLAY THE GAME BETTER, as a whole..So :salute to those who have the ability and patience to Play a specific aspect of the game to achieve a BETTER score than 99% of the arena.
BTW, go ahead and check my score I have no interest in that aspect of the game...I never have in 6 years of playing and prob. never will...
Kam
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I think the better scores are the ones who PLAY THE GAME BETTER ? They are NOT The best turn fighters or GV drivers..They PLAY THE GAME...get it ? Its a game with ability to get a score..Why is it bad to milk run opposed to turn fight? Why is it bad to up in fighter mode and FLY SMART AND SAFE to keep from dying? I think that those who score well Over all the rest PLAY THE GAME BETTER, as a whole..So :salute to those who have the ability and patience to Play a specific aspect of the game to achieve a BETTER score than 99% of the arena.
BTW, go ahead and check my score I have no interest in that aspect of the game...I never have in 6 years of playing and prob. never will...
Kam
How dare you say that... The community will surely stone you to death :devil
Kostic
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How dare you say that... The community will surely stone you to death :devil
Kostic
LOL You Think So ? Yeah your prob. Right <S> Bro
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Getting a field capture in attack mode is surely a good example... :lol
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Getting a field capture in attack mode is surely a good example... :lol
You can't personally get credit for an attack mode capture...It goes to the squad.
Kostic
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I tried to understand the tue meaning of UR score, but....
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I tried to understand the tue meaning of UR score, but....
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:lol
Kostic
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I tried to understand the tue meaning of UR score, but....
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bahahaha :rofl
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I tried to understand the tue meaning of UR score, but....
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He did say he didn't play for score.... :rolleyes:
ack-ack
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He did say he didn't play for score.... :rolleyes:
ack-ack
Apparently you just didn't get the joke :)
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Apparently you just didn't get the joke :)
And you didn't get mine... lol
ack-ack
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:lol
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I'm running a little low on cash here, but I think I have 2 cents to spare...
Why is it bad to up in fighter mode and FLY SMART AND SAFE to keep from dying?
The main problem with it is if we all flew smart and safe to keep from dying we'd all be at 30k and 30 miles away from the nearest enemy at all times. It is much more fun (in my honest opinion) to get down and dirty with some risk and have the reward of having fought your best than to pick off planes one at a time from 10k above them as if your life actually depended on your virtual plane not getting shot up.
Darn I miss-calculated, now I'll have to do without those tootsie rolls from the corner store for a while. :(
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Yep I have no problems with diving down into the mix , its a good way to meet all the wrong people , they shoot at you there but heck its what its all about .
Furballs are fun , base defense is fun , BnZ does not hold the exciting life for me . and I almost feel its chicken sh*t to do so . But to each his own and game enjoyment is the real priority .
Nutte :devil
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Score definitely does mean something, but not an overwhelming amount. When I was going for Fighter score, it took various skills to achieve a high rank but not an overwhelming amount of skill in any particular category. For example, you have to pick good fights, have good aim, have good SA, good ACM to be able to hold your own, all the while not being timid because it'll kill your K/T.
Since then, I've been spending most my time in the DA. My ACM in general I feel is pretty solid but has gotten MUCH sharper since focusing on it. I think each player decides for themselves how to enjoy the game. It's important to try different styles though to really find what you enjoy. Right now I'm enjoying dueling, who knows what tomorrow will bring.
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the only think I give any merit to is fighter K/D the rest can easily be gamed, but in order to put up a K/D better than 2.0 you have to know what your doing, its damn hard.. aside from shade killing.. to game your around it.
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the only think I give any merit to is fighter K/D the rest can easily be gamed,
I disagree. First, almost anything can be gamed, and so can fighter K/D. Just a few vulching sorties (with or without shade...), then switching back to attack mode.
Also if someone is having a "honest" high K/D.. .take a look at his K/H. Some guys manage to get a K/D of 3, while having a miserable K/H. Which basically means they are very cautious when engaging someone.
So when trying to tulips someones skill & playing style from score alone, you must take everything into account. How many sorties did he fly (look at # attack sorties too ;)), what's his K/H and also what planes did he fly. Getting a constistent K/D of 5 in a Hurricane I is more difficult than in a Tempest
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What's amazing to me are the guys who have x sorties in fighter mode, and 10x that number in attack. Then you look and sometimes they haven't dropped a single bomb on a target in all those attack sorties.
The Fighter/Attack distinction is silly, and I'd be happy to see the attack category be done away with (add ground damage and gv kills to the fighter category).
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Kam seems to think being timid is good... too funny....
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Kam seems to think being timid is good... too funny....
Me Timid Re-read what I wrote....BTW Ive never been accused of being Timid....Ever..
Kam
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The only score that matters is the score that happens at the bar.
Except if you're pacerr maybe.
:lol
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I disagree. First, almost anything can be gamed, and so can fighter K/D. Just a few vulching sorties (with or without shade...), then switching back to attack mode.
right but that is blatantly obvious, if you look at someone ranked #3 in LW and they only have 10 kills for fighter for the entire tour.. the jig is up.
Also I dont put alot of stock in kills per hour, .. granted you can go to the absolute EXTREME and fly at 25k and only ever engage ju88s.. but but like I said, that is the extreme side. just because someone isn't getting 10 kills + an hour doesent mean they are cherry picking. some folks go out looking for a 1v1 fight, and they shouldn't be looked down upon for doing so. I respect someone who would rather have a good 1V1 more than someone who is out looking for a furball to go picking in. Its alot easier to up a tiffie and fly over a furball and pick engauged cons than it is to go looking for those small dar bars and upping from the nearest base to go say "hi" and fight whatever is there.. granted sometimes its a flight of bombers and you cash in, but other times its another fellow not unlike your self, looking for a good fight, in which case your earn your scalp.
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The Fighter/Attack distinction is silly, and I'd be happy to see the attack category be done away with (add ground damage and gv kills to the fighter category).
There is resone we have them split. Thats so if you just like fighters , thats fine, you can compare your rank to other fighter only rolls. If we would give you what you wish, we would be penizling the guys who just wan't to do air to air.
And next on you list would be , how come if a gun a ground target i don't get fighter points for it.
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Me Timid Re-read what I wrote....BTW Ive never been accused of being Timid....Ever..
Kam
Think shuff just did... so now ya can cross that off the list.
As to score.. only worth something if you are honest with yourself.
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Quote from: hitech on March 22, 2002, 09:05:46 PM
There is resone we have them split. Thats so if you just like fighters , thats fine, you can compare your rank to other fighter only rolls. If we would give you what you wish, we would be penizling the guys who just wan't to do air to air.
And next on you list would be , how come if a gun a ground target i don't get fighter points for it.
Was Hitech drunk when he wrote this? :rofl
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Was Hitech drunk when he wrote this? :rofl
That is what a typical HiTech post looks like without a spellchecker. You can still find traces of it today since the spellchecker does not prevent him from posting correctly spelled hominyms in a sentence (eg. affect<>effect, rolls<>roles).
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Also I dont put alot of stock in kills per hour, .. granted you can go to the absolute EXTREME and fly at 25k and only ever engage ju88s.. but but like I said, that is the extreme side. just because someone isn't getting 10 kills + an hour doesent mean they are cherry picking.
But when someone is getting a K/D of 3 with a K/S of 0.5 and K/H of only 2.5 in over 100 sorties... he most probably is, and not a very effective one either. Hi's K7D is clearly less "impressive" than it first seemed.
You just have to look carefully, and refrain from getting quick conclusions in either way. And yes, more often than not score doesn't tell you much at all. :)
Another example. I had my best LW fighter K/D in tour 99. Truly awesome...until you examine the details. Then you will see that all of my fighter kills were made by flying 262 and 163 exclusively. Which instantly puts my K/D into a different light ;)
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The only thing I try to earn is enough points to fly a perky ride when I want to. Otherwise score is worthless to me. In AvA always in a fighter - Score sucks due to no bombing, GV etc. Mid war is a combo usually, and late war more time in a GV than anything.
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As to score.. only worth something if you are honest with yourself.
This sentence epitomises the whole score deal. The majority of players start out honest with respect to score but then one of three things happens when they get switched on, with respect to score.
1)The majority conclude score means nothing and this justifies, for some at least, their "gamey" behaviour in the game. i.e pork n auger, bomb n bail, suiciding lancstukering Cv's, upping bombers at a capped field and so on. Nothing honest about these guys. Score means nothing and virtual death isn't penalised. For these guys it's an expedient messure to an end....nothing more, nothing less.
2)They see how easy it is to manipulate score and use every opportunity to do so. Nuker stukering a factory, deliberately setting up the vulch or attending every pick fest. Rockets at 10 paces, wouldn't dream of flying solo into a big red dar bar and so on. Again nothing honest here. No great talent required and they get to either drive a Cv into a shore battery or lock up a Cv so it can't be turned when bombers approach. If they've been extra vigilant in their game play they may get their name on the front page. Yes...I'm being sarcastic and over the top but when a guy can get a high bomber rank for a couple of nuker stuker sorties over the pure bomber player...it's a farce.
3)The player who watches his score but isn't overly pressured by it. Takes the realistic / historical view. Usually starts out with the premise of more kills to sorties. Uses the correct mode for each sortie and plays the whole game with the mind set of every sortie to be landed. Goes on hour long strat sorties or heavily damages strat in a Gv. team player and mission oriented. Will mix it up in fighter mode but will also attend vulches if only to assure the goon a clear passage.
Yup...many players and ways to play.....some more honest than others.
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There is a reason we have them split. That's so if you just like fighters, that's fine, you can compare your rank to other fighter only rolls. If we would give you what you wish, we would be penalizing the guys who just want to do air to air.
And next on you list would be , how come if I gun a ground target I don't get fighter points for it.
I actually agree with hitech, but I think that it wouldn't take much to keep fighter-only people happy and prevent dweebs from selecting "attack" to keep their fighter score pure. I've even heard people boast about setting their sorties to "attack" for furballing, and then only flying in fighter mode when they BnZ or fly a perk-ride.
For example: Remove the "attack" mode button like I suggested. A sortie always counts as a fighter sortie unless damage is done to a ground object. If damage is done to a ground object, the sortie is parsed into the attack category. Secondly, remove the gunnery % and field capture stats from attack scores. Damage hit % should either be fixed or removed because it only counts rocket accuracy against static targets, so that if you launch them at gv's it counts as a miss.
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Getting a field capture in attack mode is surely a good example... :lol
This is embarassing :o I tried that and it didn't count. They erased my capture completely. Oh it was on my score until the next day when scores were updated. I plead for mercy here. :pray
Attack vs. Fighter mode. I really don't see the problem here. I mean if you dive bomb you are really exposed and your are probably exposed to a guy who is in fighter mode. The guy that grabbed on the back side of the base waiting for the jabo run. Doing Jabos is the funnest part of the game for me. I've had some of my best fights doing that. There's an art to it too. (No hints from me :lol :lol) It doesn't make since to up in fighter mode under a capped base. For one you are probably going to be dealing not only with aircraft but with vehicles as well. You will want it all to count. If there is a cv off shore than attack mode makes even more sense. You will be straffing troops, ltvs, and fighting cv planes.
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Attack vs. Fighter mode. I really don't see the problem here. I mean if you dive bomb you are really exposed and your are probably exposed to a guy who is in fighter mode.
Plan accordingly. Fighter-bombing should not be about suicidal runs into a capped base. However, as you can see above, I'm not totally opposed to "attack" being separate so long as you actually attack something.
It doesn't make since to up in fighter mode under a capped base. For one you are probably going to be dealing not only with aircraft but with vehicles as well. You will want it all to count. If there is a cv off shore than attack mode makes even more sense. You will be straffing troops, ltvs, and fighting cv planes.
Sure, there are people who use "attack" legitimately, and there are those who don't.
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Plan accordingly. Fighter-bombing should not be about suicidal runs into a capped base. However, as you can see above, I'm not totally opposed to "attack" being separate so long as you actually attack something.
Sure, there are people who use "attack" legitimately, and there are those who don't.
I've done suicide runs before. Mostly I don't like them. My last one was probably a year ago. I try everything I can think of to make it home with a few kills. In Attack mode my KD/death is usually pretty good. Like I said Jabos are my favorite thing. Nothing like it. Flying through chunks of debris, burning buildings, and blazing ack. Ah the beauty of mayhem.
However I agree with you. Some folks use them to preserve their fighter score. So be it. Nothing I can do about that.
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BOO! hoo
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<S> Kamori, I agree. Fighter/Attack depends on the situation/ You gonna use ord=attack, you gonna furball=fighter.
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Almost every ride in the plane set that can carry ord is on Attack for me.
It is rare that I roll without eggs to the point that I just leave them all on Attack now.
My "fighter" score is typically based on planes that don't have ord. With the exception prob. being a 109k as I tend to opt for the d/t over egg in that ride. And possibly a Spit or two... I'd have to look.
I learned a long time ago that it is much better to have eggs and pickle 'em than to need a bomb or two and not have 'em.
(and might I add most base captures would be SOOOO much easier if everybody heeded the above advice)
Even if I am otw to a furball I have bombs. You just never know if you are gonna need 'em or not.
It is rare for me to ever change from Attack to Fighter and never for anything so trivial as "score".
Those that fly a few sorties in Fighter to game the scoring system and then switch to Attack are not fooling anybody.
By and large those that have been here awhile and are decent sticks know who can fight and who can't and your rank/score doesn't even factor in that equation.
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I can't tell you how many times I have upped in fighter mode with bombs... ground kills won't count, and in attack mode to fight. I just forget what I'm in and react to what is coming. My Fighter and attack stay pretty even overall though.
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The way I see it there are several ways to play the game including but not limited to:
1) For Score - This player will utilize all aspects of the game (gv, fighter, attack, bomber) and typically is a SAFE player. They want to make kills and return to base alive. (Score is generally high)
2) Win the War - This player is the type that may up bombers, flatten a town, auger, and return in c47. Not all of the win the wars types do this. Often teamwork and use of numbers is encouraged to capture as many bases as possible. (Score is generally lower, Several attack sorties)
3) For the Fight - This player doesn't care at all about the war, and usually very little about score while they may keep track of hit percent K/D K/H just for their own stats. This player usually does not return to base. Sometimes this player may auger is the fight has died to save the time of the RTB. (Often the only score they have is fighter, and it is very mixed)
Play how you like, but I must admit I hate hordes. To me they spoil a great furball too often.
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The way I see it there are several ways to play the game including but not limited to:
1) For Score - This player will utilize all aspects of the game (gv, fighter, attack, bomber) and typically is a SAFE player. They want to make kills and return to base alive. (Score is generally high)
2) Win the War - This player is the type that may up bombers, flatten a town, auger, and return in c47. Not all of the win the wars types do this. Often teamwork and use of numbers is encouraged to capture as many bases as possible. (Score is generally lower, Several attack sorties)
3) For the Fight - This player doesn't care at all about the war, and usually very little about score while they may keep track of hit percent K/D K/H just for their own stats. This player usually does not return to base. Sometimes this player may auger is the fight has died to save the time of the RTB. (Often the only score they have is fighter, and it is very mixed)
Play how you like, but I must admit I hate hordes. To me they spoil a great furball too often.
You forgot the most important one... for fun!
Regards,
Hammer
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With the exception prob. being a 109k as I tend to opt for the d/t over egg in that ride.
I think we all tend to take DT over egg in that ride.. because it can't carry bombs ;)
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You forgot the most important one... for fun!
Regards,
Hammer
I agree Hammer. Some nights I just GV, some I just fly fighters, some I just attack, and most nights a little bit of all three. The variety of activities, planes & vehicles in Aces High is what keeps it so addicting. To limit yourself to just the fight, or just win the war, or just score, is to limit your Aces High fun!
<Salute>
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You forgot the most important one... for fun!
Regards,
Hammer
I took that as being together with for the fight.
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I actually agree with hitech, but I think that it wouldn't take much to keep fighter-only people happy and prevent dweebs from selecting "attack" to keep their fighter score pure. I've even heard people boast about setting their sorties to "attack" for furballing, and then only flying in fighter mode when they BnZ or fly a perk-ride.
For example: Remove the "attack" mode button like I suggested. A sortie always counts as a fighter sortie unless damage is done to a ground object. If damage is done to a ground object, the sortie is ptomatod into the attack category. Secondly, remove the gunnery % and field capture stats from attack scores. Damage hit % should either be fixed or removed because it only counts rocket accuracy against static targets, so that if you launch them at gv's it counts as a miss.
I like where you're going with this but what if you miss with your bombs? You are locked into fighter mode? A better idea would be that you MUST take up ordnance in attack mode. Sure you could game it then by just dropping your ord as you take off but that would kill your bomb %. :aok It would only be practical for scorer or whatever to fly in the proper mode each time.
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The Fighter/Attack distinction is silly, and I'd be happy to see the attack category be done away with (add ground damage and gv kills to the fighter category).
This was really the quote I was looking for earlier. I just happened to stumble across it while looking for something else.
Item 1.
We used to have it in one catagory. But hit % gets realy messed up, I.E. you could pad your fighter hit % by just shooting buildings. To fix that problem we made 2 catagoryies for those who do both, and those who just do air to air.
I often do the opposite of what's being talked about. I will bring along rockets, and or bombs too in fighter mode if I think I will end up over an enemy field. I can contribute to the effort, without affecting fighter stats. Or I can ditch them to lighten up if the need arises, still without affecting fighter stats.
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I like where you're going with this but what if you miss with your bombs? You are locked into fighter mode? A better idea would be that you MUST take up ordnance in attack mode. Sure you could game it then by just dropping your ord as you take off but that would kill your bomb %. :aok It would only be practical for scorer or whatever to fly in the proper mode each time.
That's a good criticism, and I like your idea. But then what about aircraft like the Yak-9T that can't take a bomb but which are useful for ground attack nonetheless?
We used to have it in one catagory. But hit % gets realy messed up, I.E. you could pad your fighter hit % by just shooting buildings. To fix that problem we made 2 catagoryies for those who do both, and those who just do air to air.
As things are now, attack gunnery % is still, and always will be, easy to manipulate.
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That's a good criticism, and I like your idea. But then what about aircraft like the Yak-9T that can't take a bomb but which are useful for ground attack nonetheless?
As things are now, attack gunnery % is still, and always will be, easy to manipulate.
Well, you could make exceptions to the rule for planes like the Yak-9T. The IL2 also so if you want to strafe in attack and not in bomber, you can record kills that way. Other than the yakt and the k4 maybe?...I don't think there are any fighters that don't have an ord package but can still be flown in attack mode.
Just looked and found a couple more, bf109e4 and edit bf109f4. You could just make them fighter only planes like the C205. Carrying a drop tank shouldn't define an attack plane imo. It should be its ability to carry bombs.
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I don't think there are any fighters that don't have an ord package but can still be flown in attack mode.
109E-4
109F-4
109K-4
Ta 152
Yak-9T
Spitfire V
Spitfire IX
Hurricane IID
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109E-4
109F-4
109K-4
Ta 152
Yak-9T
Spitfire V
Spitfire IX
Hurricane IID
Larger list than I expected, what do you think though Lusche of requiring ord to fly in attack with exceptions maybe of the planes listed above?
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Larger list than I expected, what do you think though Lusche of requiring ord to fly in attack with exceptions maybe of the planes listed above?
Most importantly I think it should just be uniformly.
Right now we have 7 fighters without ords that can score as "fighter" only, and 8 that can score as fighter/attacker. I do not know what makes the TA-152 a fighter/attacker and the C205 not.
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Most importantly I think it should just be uniformly.
Right now we have 7 fighters without ords that can score as "fighter" only, and 8 that can score as fighter/attacker. I do not know what makes the TA-152 a fighter/attacker and the C205 not.
I suspect it's its ability to carry a drop tank, where as the C205 cannot carry one. I pointed out a couple posts ago that what defines an attacker should be its ability to carry bombs, not drop tanks.
<edit> well shoot, i just looked at the hurri d and that can't carry a DT so I'm wrong. Yeah that makes no sense.
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<edit> well shoot, i just looked at the hurri d and that can't carry a DT so I'm wrong. Yeah that makes no sense.
Nah, it makes a lot of sense.. the Hurri D with 40mm guns was a ground attacker by design, not a fighter.
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didn't read all the posts, so here goes,,
i hate it when i get a good score on the first day of the month,
it ruins my play for the next 4 or 5 days
to really have fun, or to be a score monger is the question?
i like too Finnish out the month with a good score but hate to play for score during that time!
this month i started out the first day with a 9 to 1 kill in fighters, 10 to 1 in gv's, kill to death rate of 255 per hour in gv's, so with those stats do i stop playing and wait for my name to go up in lights?
no i play on thru and destroy those numbers, with every sortie,
i wonder all the time how the # 1 score guys have any fun?
sometimes i even like when my score is bad,, like last month in fighters, that way i can work on why it is bad and try to improve instead of why it s@ #ks ,, it is also way more fun to fight, and get better, than to try and protect that score!!
most of the long time players know how to get the big score ,, yet they choose to just play the game, and be happy with what they get, but make no mistake,, almost all of them watch there score, even if they don't admit it, some just do it to see if they are improving!
my first month in AH i scored 24 kills and died 68 times ( roughly) as wt outlaw, tour 71 i think,
by tour 85 i was killing more than i was dieing
even tho i am 1or 2 in mid in gv's every month, in mid war,, i would miss the true fun of the game if i tried to be #1, all the time in every part of the game,,, so i just try to be at least 1 to 1 or better in fighters and just hope for good gv fights, i don't even try to work on score unless its halfway thru the month and i am in the top 5 or so in gv's and even then,, its just a coin toss if i do get there!!
most of the guy's i see with there name in lights,, i never see in combat? when do they play ? and where do they go ?
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some day someone will have to explain to me what flying smart is. I'm hoping smart isn't running to ack, running from fight, and flying in horde :)
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some day someone will have to explain to me what flying smart is. I'm hoping smart isn't running to ack, running from fight, and flying in horde :)
To me SMART is as follows: Keeping a balance between Aggression, Smart SA and Advantage over your opponents especially against greater numbers = Living to tell about it...
KAM
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So where does my habit of flying through hangers at enemy bases fall on that chart. :rofl
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So where does my habit of flying through hangers at enemy bases fall on that chart. :rofl
pretty low on the smart chart!! very high on the fun chart!!