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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Bubbajj on January 10, 2009, 10:20:43 PM
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Got rid of my logitech a while back. The Saitek was far better as far as control went. I finally broke the pinky switch (essential) and went and bought another one. This new unit was never quite right. Some of the buttons didn't work and lately it started developing a nasty habbit of de-calibrating itself at the most inappropriate of times. It would suddenly screw up on the elevator axis. It would have very little input for about half the travel and then it would input full lock. This was very disturbing. Just try dogfighting with no elevator input but none and full and that about sums it up. I calibrated in game, in windows, to no avail. This was not looking good.
I finally had had enough when I was handing it to some dork in a spitfire and it took this particular moment to screw up on me. In the end, I was quite astonished how easily the handle separated from the base. All those wires really didn't offer a lot of resistance either.
So, i finally took the plunge and ordered up a CH setup. 250ish dollars later (choke!) and the deed is done. Now I can't wait for it to show up. This is neat because the home site even offers spare parts and it has a two year warrantee.
Now maybe I'll have some control in game. The Saitek deserved the horrific end it met with.
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I suppose the Saitek you got was the X52...
I don't see the problems people are having, I've had my X52 for 3-4 years now and only one small problem that was easily fixed.
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I fixed mine by tying the USB cord to my back bumper and driving to the store to get a Logitech Extreme 3D Pro. Not the best in the world, but it has the most comfortable grip and has put up with daily use for about 3 years.
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The first one worked ok. It developed a nasty stutter as the cone on the spring was moving around and sticking but that was about it. When that pinky switch went it was done. I took it appart figuring a simple switch replacement would be good, but the plastic button itself was broken and wasn't really practical to fix. Everone says that CH stuff is the schiznit so I'll give it a try.
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I'll bet that "fixed" it real good!!
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Been using CH products to play this time of game for 18 years. Only time I've had to buy a new one is when I need an upgrade (like from analog to USB).
Hopefully, you will get service that good out of them. :)
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I bought a X52 and saitek pedals about 3 years ago and had good luck with the whole setup until about 6 months ago the hat switch on the JS went dead. Now tonight the right brake on the pedals won't work. I took the whole thing apart to see if i could see anything unhooked or broken, but found nothing.
My very first JS was a saitek 290 pro I got at WalMart for 20 bucks and the trigger developed a dead spot in it, in less than a month.
Saitek looks good but i'm very disappointed in their products. I'm ordering CH Products from now on. Saitek won't ever get another dime from me. :furious
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no doubt logitech extreme pro has a great grip, but i still like my new CH fighterstick much better overall
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I went through an x45, x52, and x52pro in about a year. I'm now have had a ch setup for 9 months and haven't looked back. Still not use to the rudder pedals. I guess 12 years of twisty stick is hard to wash out.
I think it is at least once a week that some one posts a topic about Saitek. I truly wish they would get their act together.
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Fixed my X52 by buying a Cougar HOTAS :rock
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Saitek suck :mad: I miss my beautiful Microsoft Sidewinder :cry
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Saitek suck :mad: I miss my beautiful Microsoft Sidewinder :cry
I still have my SW FF as backup. Old reliable.
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I have wooden rudder pedals that hook up to a USB port that my brother (TopJimmy- Texas Rattlesnakes) made when he was playing Warbirds. My 2nd, and current stick is a Logitech Extreme3Dpro.
My pedal wires finally snapped last week, but I was able to rig em up and get em going again w/o a trip to Lowe's.
My 6 Mo. old Logitech has been good. Not one complaint. I haven't used the twisty stick for rudder yet. I don't use the hat switch for views. I still prefer, and am more fluid using the #pad for that. I have only used Logitech sticks...
However, I would like a throttle that has programable buttons. Any suggestions? Saitek looks decent, but I have heard mixed reviews. CH seems to have a commited customer base. Help a brotha out
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If you're looking for reliability CH is the way to go. Those products are built to last and aren't very buggy like the X52 seems to be.
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I went from CH to Saitek 10 years ago and never did regret that move.
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I went from CH to Saitek 10 years ago and never did regret that move.
As far as feel goes, saitek might have an edge up on CH.
As far as reliability goes, CH has the edge on saitek.
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Still flying with my ol MS sidewinder Prec 2 usb.
And still sitting on 3 Prec Pro's in the closet.
Might have to break down and buy one of those usb gameports though. Just to make sure I can keep them working.
Compared to the troubles everyone else goes though, (rolls eyes) well, lets just say I am not switching anytime soon.
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I fixed mine by tying the USB cord to my back bumper and driving to the store to get a Logitech Extreme 3D Pro. Not the best in the world, but it has the most comfortable grip and has put up with daily use for about 3 years.
I use the 3D Pro, i need a new one.. my rudders all over the place all the time (even after cali)
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As far as feel goes, saitek might have an edge up on CH.
As far as reliability goes, CH has the edge on saitek.
I didn't go from CH to Saitek for the feel alone ;)
I stated with Ch long ago, had 2 sticks that didn't last long enough to justify the high price. Had 2 Cyborgs and a very cheap, used X45 before upgrading to a X-52pro.
First Cyborg was wrecked during a move, the second one lasted for 5 years... not bad for a cheap stick.
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welp no need to ask about the problems i'm having with my X52 lots of answers right here.... a new $100 paper weight
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CH FTW!
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My very first JS was a saitek 290 pro I got at WalMart for 20 bucks and the trigger developed a dead spot in it, in less than a month. Saitek looks good but i'm very disappointed in their products.
The trigger on the first two Saitek 290s I bought broke in a month (to the day, it seemed). They have a two year warranty and Saitek sent me a Cyborg stick as a replacement one time. That worked ok but, seems to me, something broke on it after about 3 months. It might well have been the trigger button again as I don't recall the exact reason I remapped the stick so I wouldn't use the trigger button so much.
I used to use the trigger for firing all guns, with buttons on the back for individual firing of the #1 and #2 guns. I switched it so the trigger button fires just the #1 gun- something I don't fire by itself that often. Now my trigger button lasts forever.
Problem is one thing or another breaks down on the Saiteks after a few months. I've probably been through 8 of the dang things in the last year and a half to two years. The one I'm using now is still plugging along after maybe six months. That has to be a record for me. Then again, the stick has gotten so loose, with so much play in it it's gotten really hard to control the gun sight when aiming at smaller targets.
Time for a new one. They need to make their sticks more durable.
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I went through an x45, x52, and x52pro in about a year. I'm now have had a ch setup for 9 months and haven't looked back. Still not use to the rudder pedals. I guess 12 years of twisty stick is hard to wash out.
I think it is at least once a week that some one posts a topic about Saitek. I truly wish they would get their act together.
It seems rather clear to me that a durable joystick and throttle costs about twice what Saitek's selling the X-52 for. Broken switches and calibration issues seem to be the norm with the X-52 (Pro), while CH gear always gets high praises. You get what you pay for.
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NB said it best. I've been using Ch products for as long as NB. There is a player in the game that is using my old Ch Hotas (analog)
at this time. It runs off a gamecard.
Here is a hint when and if you go Ch. I prefer the 586 combatstick USB. The fighterstick just has one more hat then the combatstick.
If you have the Pro throttle and the Pro Pedals the extra hat is not needed. The Combatstick is identical in design and is somewhat cheaper.
One can program using Control Manager different configurations for different games. I use HTCs mapping for Aces High. Control Manager
is not needed for Aces High.
I wrote in another post how to simply save your change for a Hotas. Put your change into a can or jar....it adds up quickly.
Once you use Ch you will never use another controller. Saves a great deal of money and aggravation in the long term.
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I use the 3D Pro, i need a new one.. my rudders all over the place all the time (even after cali)
Once that plastic inside gets wore out she is done, I am going through one every two years.
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I too, wore out my X52 pro. Lost one direction on one of the hat switches, dealt with that, now my trigger has failed. Remapped the fire all guns to a button on the throttle, and, well this has actually improved my gunnery! not sure why, but it appears I was movign the stick when i squeezed the trigger...
But, I intend to order a new stick/throttle setup. I will still put my fire all on the throttle though!
Here is the site of the company I am looking into ordering from. Seeing as I fly Jet sims as well as AH, I really like thier selection. I likely will order the F16 style stick, with the F/A-18E dual throttle. Still doing research though, so I don't have many details yet. May just go CH if this stuff is not what I am looking for. May also consider a Thrustmaster Cougar.
http://www.hirevsims.com/01prod/fltcontrl/fcntrl/misc/misc01.htm (http://www.hirevsims.com/01prod/fltcontrl/fcntrl/misc/misc01.htm)
Sol
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Me and my dad both use X52s for several years now... no problems what so ever. (we actually have three in our house)
It seems to me that you either love the x52 or hate it.
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Logitech made a good entry level stick and inexpensive but wore out quick. My CH 568 wasn't top of the CH line but Great stick for the price and have had no problems for over a year now. Wanted the sidewinder but you'll be happy with your CH.
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Once that plastic inside gets wore out she is done, I am going through one every two years.
I had mine for 8 months then my dad stole mine and gave me his broken one.. just havnt been bothered to go out and get a new one yet.. but hey.. im still landing loads of kills with a broken stick :lol :lol :lol
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Problem is one thing or another breaks down on the Saiteks after a few months. I've probably been through 8 of the dang things in the last year and a half to two years.
Got you beat. I've bought a total of 15 X52's and one Pro in little less than 4 years. Of the 15, I immediately returned 7 to the store within a week as they were porked right out of the box. Either wouldn't hold calibration or some significant physical imperfection. Of all the rest, only the very first X52 lasted longer than 3-4 months without a problem. It lasted 10 months then died all at once. Since then, and in different ways, to different degrees, these sticks go bad within 1-2 months. Sometimes I can last with them by constant re-calibration for another month.
Early on I sent two of the sticks back to Saitek on warranty. They did the same thing. Unfortunately, I like the configuration of the X52, and I also have the problem that my physical condition, etc. doesn't allow me to use rudder pedals or I'd be buying CH. I've got to have a twisty stick.
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Perhaps a bit off- topic but here's a neat web site I found a while back that shows various joysticks and then gives you the prices various stores are selling them for:
http://www.shopwiki.com/search/PC+joysticks
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I had mine for 8 months then my dad stole mine and gave me his broken one.. just havnt been bothered to go out and get a new one yet.. but hey.. im still landing loads of kills with a broken stick :lol :lol :lol
I hated they way I found out about the stick calibration not holding, I would climb out AFK, come back few minutes later and will be sitting in the tower going :huh even when I would hold level flight and turn away for a second and look back and I am nose diving to earth.... :lol
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I hated they way I found out about the stick calibration not holding, I would climb out AFK, come back few minutes later and will be sitting in the tower going :huh even when I would hold level flight and turn away for a second and look back and I am nose diving to earth.... :lol
Happens to me all the time.. i have a trick to keep it slightly calibrated whilst i grab a beer or something
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Check the forum under Technical Support called, "X52 loses Calibration Often" probably the most help for ya. Had the same problem as you, its working fine now.
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Uh, when they say 3 axis on the stick, don't they mean it's a twisty stick that has rudder on it? Roll, pitch,yaw?
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Now ya tell me bosco, I think mine's gonna need a bit more than calibration help now.
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Only problem I ever had with the X52 was that the initial movement of the stick was a bit jerky - when trying to do that last bit of correction to your aim, I found it a PITA - especially in GV's. The CH Fighterstick I use now is much smoother on the X and Y axis.
On the other hand, the X52 is - to me - a far more comfortable stick to use with better button layouts. I even - gasp - preferred the programming software.
I'm still using the X52 throttle.
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The next time you use 'Death (murder)' in your topic title you should include video. :devil
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it started developing a nasty habbit of de-calibrating itself at the most inappropriate of times. It would suddenly screw up on the elevator axis. It would have very little input for about half the travel and then it would input full lock. This was very disturbing. Just try dogfighting with no elevator input but none and full and that about sums it up. I calibrated in game, in windows, to no avail. This was not looking good.
Not to bust your chops or anything, but you do realise that this is a power source problem for the X52s?
Some computers do not put out enough power from the standard USB ports resulting in exactly what you describe: periodic loss of calibration resulting in almost zero output from the mid-range of the joystick action (ie; it's either at idle or full input).
This problem is solved by buying a $20 powered USB hub which runs of a wall-socket power source.
I run my X52, gaming keyboard and iPod charger off my USB hub and since then I have not once had a problem with calibration.
You broke your joystick for nothing and just wasted $230.
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I went out and bought an Nsync CD and a Boyz to men CD just for the purpose of smashing them up, I understand the feeling of joy and liberation you got :D
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So, i finally took the plunge and ordered up a CH setup. 250ish dollars later (choke!) and the deed is done. Now I can't wait for it to show up. This is neat because the home site even offers spare parts and it has a two year warrantee.
Saitek has a 2 year warranty too but just try to collect on it. I did. On hold until I finally gave up and hung up. No response to e-mail. I'm sure they realize no one's going to take them to court over it due to the product price/value.
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Saitek has a 2 year warranty too but just try to collect on it. I did. On hold until I finally gave up and hung up. No response to e-mail.
I've returned at least 2 Saiteks. Received an RMA number via e- mail right away from them and got a fresh joystick within a week. One time they even gave me the more expensive Cyborg stick to replace the 290 I sent them.
They've been real good to me.
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Been using CH products to play this time of game for 18 years. Only time I've had to buy a new one is when I need an upgrade (like from analog to USB).
Hopefully, you will get service that good out of them. :)
i have problems with my peddals. not a bad one more then likely my own fault. however i have my breaks programed into the pedals everytime i log on i have to tap the left break and the right break. if i dont my breaks stay on and i creap down the runway. any idea on what i did wrong?
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Fixed my Cougar by buying an X52 Pro................. :(
Fixed my X52 by buying a Cougar HOTAS :rock
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i have problems with my peddals. not a bad one more then likely my own fault. however i have my breaks programed into the pedals everytime i log on i have to tap the left break and the right break. if i dont my breaks stay on and i creap down the runway. any idea on what i did wrong?
Sound to me like its throttle calibration and nothing to do with the brake peddals.
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I'll bet they do suck a lot of power, with all those lights and led screens and stuff. Well, on the brighter side, I have the parts to fix my other one so maybe i'll give a powered usb hub a try. I've got AH on three computers but I only play it on one. Now if I can fix my other stick, maybe I can get my old lady to wing up with me. (yeah, when the cardinals win the superbowl, hell freezes over, pigs fly out my butt, and the kids develop manners.)
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well thanks xasthur i read your reply to this .and on the way home from work i stopped and bought 1 cost 25 bucks hooked it up flew about 2 hours and had no problems thanks again :salute
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I hope no one minds but I just dropped a post on Saiteks site suggesting someone from Saitek pop in here and do a search for X52 or Saitek. I suggested that it might be worth their while to come up with some solid answers on how to fix this stuff.