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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: texastc316 on January 29, 2009, 04:40:33 PM
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Subject pretty much sums it up, which plane do you have the most trouble fighting? Mine is the KI84, I have a heck of a time shaking them, Seem to dive fairly well, they turn on a dime, and climb forever. Absolutely hate finding one of them 1v1.
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38 or F4U
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The plane i'm in and the mistakes I make in it.
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what ever plane Shawk is flying
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109F or F4U4. 109F can do anything any other plane can do, and a U4 because at 10,000 FT., it can beat anyting.
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I see you have not figured it out yet grasshopper...
Respect the pilot not the plane, Fear nothing.
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and a U4 because at 10,000 FT., it can beat anyting.
Except a tater. :t :t :t
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I don't fear ANY plane. I don't "fear" pilots. But there are those that I know will put up a hell of a fight.
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What Morph said. Learn the rides and there should be no planes you "fear". :devil
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and to think I thought it was a simple question :noid
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Except a tater. :t :t :t
you have to watch the reverse though, if you miss. :t :t :t
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LOL...i didn't even read anybody else's post but the OP
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Well, I suck, so I fear any plane, normally the ones below me. :)
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I see you have not figured it out yet grasshopper...
Respect the pilot not the plane, Fear nothing.
That's true, but only to a certain extent. Against a great stick in a mediocre plane, if I keep my speed up, the fight is mine to lose, and I can at least escape if I realize I'm in over my head. Against a great stick in a K-4 or a U-4 (and sometimes a pony), this does me no good, because an Uber-stick in one of these rides will simply come get me and dictate the fight on his terms. So yes, "Fear" is probably the wrong word, but "Concern" certainly applies. :uhoh
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the one with the red icon over it.
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Yak's make my butt pucker... :O
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The plane i'm in and the mistakes I make in it.
(http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/7798/boomheadshotgif1ms.gif) :aok :salute
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The one I am in--- in real life.
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Not that I fear them per say, but any high zeke or hurri really rains on my parade.
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Idiots in the Spit14
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the one with the red icon over it.
For me, Bish are pink and Nits are purple. :devil
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As stated, 'fear' isn't the right word.... It's a game and it's fun, so fear doesn't come into it.
Having said that, I do agree with the OP, the Ki-84 is the greatest challenge for me, it's one of the few fighters that can take the fight to the 109 in the verticle. It really comes down to a pilot versus pilot fight and if I want to get out of a tight 1v1 with a Ki-84 I know that I have to make all the right moves... no mistakes and no missed shots.
Typically, Ki-84 pilots have a little more skill than your average dork in a Spit16 or La7 too, so I always go into the fight assuming that the guy has a decent idea about what he is doing.
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As stated, 'fear' isn't the right word.... It's a game and it's fun, so fear doesn't come into it.
Having said that, I do agree with the OP, the Ki-84 is the greatest challenge for me, it's one of the few fighters that can take the fight to the 109 in the verticle. It really comes down to a pilot versus pilot fight and if I want to get out of a tight 1v1 with a Ki-84 I know that I have to make all the right moves... no mistakes and no missed shots.
Typically, Ki-84 pilots have a little more skill than your average dork in a Spit16 or La7 too, so I always go into the fight assuming that the guy has a decent idea about what he is doing.
Hee hee, seeing how my ride is the usually a Frank, I would like to say everything he did but replace Ki84 with 109K or 109F. Funny stuff.
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Well, that makes perfect sense. Both the Ki-84 and 109 have similar strengths which usually open up avenues of opportunity whilst fighting against other aircraft that do not float so well.
It's good to know that I'm as much of a pain in the butt for Frank pilots as they are for me, though. :lol
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If you have any alt to use, a KI84 is easy to disengage from. Point your nose at the ground & haul arse. The KI controls get pretty heavy at high speeds & then they start shedding parts. Simply get a little separation & re-engage.
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The one I didn't see.
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No plane in particular, yet a well flown 109 can make me wet myself. :uhoh
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high hurricane :uhoh
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no plane, just timidity.
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would not call it fear but more a sense of how the fight will end up. high hurris and zero's cause me to lean a little more towards thinking that i am about to see the short trip to the tower but that does not stop me from fighting anyway, sometimes we all get a little lucky.
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Zekes and F4u's
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Yak-u or K4, can find no solutions for them (vs P47N)
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Not really "afraid" of any specific aircraft, however I've noticed from past experience that most P-38s, 109s and A-20s that I encounter are flown by excellent pilots. Therefore, when such aircraft are in my vicinity I tend to be a little worried. :D
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All kidding aside--WHAT I dislike encountering is usually situational. For example, if I'm in a YAK I don't like cons that wish to engage above 5,00o meters (call it 15k). I must say I am surprised at the prescence of Hurris and Zekes on people's lists---both of those rides have significant limitations such that I find them a joy to encounter. Of course, pilot skill is usually more critical than the plane. I suppose I must answer so I will say Niks and Tempests. All of the 4 x 20mm rides leave little margin for error with regard to a ping, or improbable deflection.
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Plane I fear the most is the plane that doesn't try and HO on the merge. It's the guys that don't HO that you need to watch out for
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I see you have not figured it out yet grasshopper...
Respect the pilot not the plane, Fear nothing.
useless post
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Plane I fear the most is the plane that doesn't try and HO on the merge. It's the guys that don't HO that you need to watch out for
yeah, thats an ominous (sp?) sign
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LoL, and you just added what to the discussion?
Actually Ink has it right.
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:rofl
you cant fix stupid
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Wrong gabriel.... Actually that post has its merits. Just because someone is in a trainer does not mean they can't actually fight.... on rare occasion it is someone who can. I really have no plane I have any problem with. When the numbers pile up against you such as 3 or 4 vs 1 someone can get lucky. Just fly and have fun.
You folks worried about a high zeek or hurri need to go to the TA and learn a few things about your plane and theirs. No offence meant. Just they are easy to deal with.
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:rofl
you cant fix stupid
Sure you can. Having them neutered is the best solution...keeps 'em from tainting the gene pool. :devil
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Sure you can. Having them neutered is the best solution...keeps 'em from tainting the gene pool. :devil
Humans would become extinct very quickly :D
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Wrong gabriel.... Actually that post has its merits. Just because someone is in a trainer does not mean they can't actually fight.... on rare occasion it is someone who can. I really have no plane I have any problem with. When the numbers pile up against you such as 3 or 4 vs 1 someone can get lucky. Just fly and have fun.
You folks worried about a high zeek or hurri need to go to the TA and learn a few things about your plane and theirs. No offence meant. Just they are easy to deal with.
you are right going to the TA may make it easier to deal with them but (like you didn't expect that) some of these turn out to be some very fun fights even if they usually end in my demise. I again just have an idea of how it will end.
never trually worried just up another one and go after them again.
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You folks worried about a high zeek or hurri need to go to the TA and learn a few things about your plane and theirs. No offence meant. Just they are easy to deal with.
Ask "fireplug" what his HIGH hurricane Mk II diving on my LOW Hurricane Mk II, equal fuel, will get him :t
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Ask "fireplug" what his HIGH hurricane Mk II diving on my LOW Hurricane Mk II, equal fuel, will get him :t
Oh puleez. Brave Sir Fireplug? He is one that should be removed from the virtual gene pool. :rofl
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Humans would become extinct very quickly :D
I'm willing to take that risk.
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I fear the greenie who comes in after I've been
fighting a worthy opponent for 10 minutes and,
just as I am about to bag him, snatches the kill
right out from under me!
Grrrrr.... :furious
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Wrong gabriel....
No, right.
The question is about the plane. So it assumes the same pilot in different planes - really not that difficult to grasp. 'Fear the most' is 'have the most trouble with' or 'find the hardest to fight' etc.
For the really dense phrase it this way; 'Given the same person is piloting, which plane do you have the most trouble engaging and killing?'.
Requires a little thinking but I have faith.
Anytime people discuss different planes and their attributes and capabilities then starts the chorus of 'its TEH PILOTZ NOT THE PLAINS!!!!!' drones , it's rather trite and lacks thought.
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....:furious.....
Well...I'm convinced. :rolleyes:
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It isn't the 1st plane, or even the 2nd plane that attacks me. It is the 4th and subsequent attacks that I worry about...
If I lose in a 1v1 or 1v2, it was a good fight and I'm thankful to have had the privilege.
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If I lose in a 1v1 or 1v2, it was a good fight and I'm thankful to have had the privilege.
:rofl
Careful, you dropped your :angel:
But...if you get picked by the 4th after giving 3 a run for their money, at least you can say the $%$@$#% ganged you.... :devil
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Spits, I get a little apoplectic when I don't beat them with a -152 handicap. Other than that, no plane really scares me... Closest to fear is prolly B17's deathstar defense. That's probably what I'd fear most if the game were real. The rush and excitement of a good dogfight would always drown out any fear.
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Not really fear but they give me a hard time: A20s. From the ground they carry way too many eggs and from the air the Boston version can do amazing tricks (snaprolls and barrell rolls) without losing its drones and because doing these tricks the drones warp around like a bola.
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Ki84's give me nightmares.
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high friggin f4's.
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A6M5/Hurry2C.
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useless post
Alot more useful than yours I'm afraid.
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Any red plane that has a good pilot behind it. Although I will try to take out the guy in the same plane as mine first. I just can't stand equality :lol
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Echoing what most have said planes don't bother me.
But i can rate them in order of annoyance.
A6M either one the most annoying plane ever just fast enough to stay close can't turn with it, very very annoying!!
P51's also annoying with their BNZ crap it's skilless but still annoying.
Then there are the Helicopters in the game Spixteens, KI84's LA LA's.
But the 1 i hate the most is the F4 with a skilled pilot in it and the 38's again with a skilled pilot in it.
the afforementioned planes rarely have a skilled pilot in them therefore they are never an issue.
Spits LA's and that kind of plane is easy mode and guys in them usually are bait after 1 turn.
Just one mans oppinion. :rock
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Should be my D9 duh !
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Chalk me down with Joker2 as annoyance rather than fear:
Tempests - Because they always hover around 20-25k and run at the first sign of a co-alt con. If they can't pick it from a 10k alt advantage they won't fight. Most over-inflated K/D of any plane in the game.
262s, probably the MOST annoying and for much the same reason as above. IMO they should be restricted to the HQ base with the 163. MAYBE I'll give them the Zone base for strat targets, as well, but they shouldn't be available at every field.
P-51s - A lesser annoyance, but again, for much the same reason as the Tempests.
Ok, there IS one plane I fear: A B-17 with 999000 manning the guns. :O
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If you have any alt to use, a KI84 is easy to disengage from. Point your nose at the ground & haul arse. The KI controls get pretty heavy at high speeds & then they start shedding parts. Simply get a little separation & re-engage.
And while you dive for the ground screaming mommy the Frank pilots get to laugh about you being a wussy. :D
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I fear no plane.
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But i can rate them in order of annoyance.the most annoying very very annoying!! also annoying still annoying.
Just one mans oppinion. :rock
:noid
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Closest to fear is prolly B17's deathstar defense.
But isn't your fighter small enough to avoid the turbolaser defense system? Surely, they need to destroy you ship to ship moot.
How can you kill that which has no life? I fear the uber-stick, regardless of ride :D
...also clowns.
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Personally I dread the hurri 1. Simply because its either a mad man/woman behind the yolk or a damn good stick who is confident in getting kills with the Peashooters and in a 'Underdog' plane. Its a 50/50 chance, and if its a decent stick, I find myself on a short trip to the tower.
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Hurri 2-c, typhie, f4u
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Spit IX are the planes that send the most chills up my spine at any altitude.
#1: Usually a mediocre stick can fly it well (NOTE: This is NOT an opening salvo for a flame war, just calling a spade a spade).
#2: Visit www.danosacm.com (http://www.danosacm.com), check out some of the films (especially www.danosacm.com/films/fw_12_13_02.zip (http://www.danosacm.com/films/fw_12_13_02.zip) at the bottom of the home page) and you will see that I LOVE to knife fight in a phone booth, against anything(s), with a FW. :aok
#3: #2 makes it quite a duel vs a Spit IX and against a good stick in a SPIT IX there is very little room for mistakes. The have excellent E retention, seem to take a lot of punishment, and can definitely put some holes in you and/or your ride.
<S> Dano
P.S. Sorry for the shameless website plug but most of the AH community is like me, "Oh yeah? SHOW ME!" hehe. <S>
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And while you dive for the ground screaming mommy the Frank pilots get to laugh about you being a wussy. :D
I also said re-engage, not run away..... wussy! :D
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B-24 and lanc stukas
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I also said re-engage, not run away..... wussy! :D
Sure, but I've never seen that actually happen unless you mean "come back 5-10 minutes later when you hope he isn't looking" when you say "re-engage", Every time I have had something that could dive away do so, it didn't come back.
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:rofl
you cant fix stupid
Thats a fact. :lol Wear a helmet....cause stupid should hurt.
Anyway.... In the MW areana I hate to see a high, lone P-38 or FM-2. Usally means AKAK, Shuffler, or Slapshot
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Thats a fact. :lol Wear a helmet....cause stupid should hurt.
Anyway.... In the MW areana I hate to see a high, lone P-38 or FM-2. Usally means AKAK, Shuffler, or Slapshot
I guess that's the difference between you and I, when I engage ANY NME, at an advantage or not, no matter what plane I am in, or going against, I want the best stick possible to be flying that plane, other wise it will be boring and I will learn nothing.
I want to engage the best there is, and if they are flying a "uber" ride all that much better.
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Sure, but I've never seen that actually happen unless you mean "come back 5-10 minutes later when you hope he isn't looking" when you say "re-engage", Every time I have had something that could dive away do so, it didn't come back.
Yup. Most times I have to show them some tail feathers to get them to consider coming back. Had a spat with Doc(random numbers)CH at lunch. P51 shows up 3.5k above me and I'm around 6-7k. One pass, notice his tanks are still on.
200:420ace: wiff p51!
200:420ace: why don't you come down and play?
I'm moving away from the field and friendlies to show I'm not just wanting to drag him to a gang. Another pass and on this one he lands some pings. Up and away he goes.
Third pass I handily reverse and get a guns solution. he was under my nose so I didn't see any hit sprites but as he passes to the left I swear I see the puffs from the hits.
P51 goes nose down and leaves the area. I'm about bingo fuel and inform him on 200 I'm not going to waste my time chasing him down. He claims I landed no hits but oddly enough I get the assist on him while lining up my landing. :D So he lied to me. What a lamer.
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Sure, but I've never seen that actually happen unless you mean "come back 5-10 minutes later when you hope he isn't looking" when you say "re-engage", Every time I have had something that could dive away do so, it didn't come back.
I'm not talking about timid lamers who run away when they lose the advantage. :rolleyes:
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I guess that's the difference between you and I, when I engage ANY NME, at an advantage or not, no matter what plane I am in, or going against, I want the best stick possible to be flying that plane, other wise it will be boring and I will learn nothing.
I want to engage the best there is, and if they are flying a "uber" ride all that much better.
The topic was what you hate to see. I always engage. I just hate to see those couple of planes above me.
So I'm confused by your post.
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lol you guys crack me up.
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I'm not talking about timid lamers who run away when they lose the advantage. :rolleyes:
That is fine, but I have never seen it happen. That being the case, it is so rare as to not be worth considering as a generic arena behavior.
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Ask "fireplug" what his HIGH hurricane Mk II diving on my LOW Hurricane Mk II, equal fuel, will get him :t
Fireplug is an idiot that has absolutely no clue in regards to anything related to ACM or any other facet of aerial combat. Every time I would shoot him down, he'd scream about how I don't know how to turn fight. Each time I would land a sortie, he'd scream how all those kills were from BnZ. He'd challenge me to a duel (but wouldn't go to the DA, would only duel in the MW) and then he'd name the base and the altitude but would always show up at 20k despite the fact the agreed upon merge altitude was significantly lower. He can't grasp the concept that dogfighting is a 3 dimensional affair and any maneuver that uses the vertical is automatically BnZ to him and turn fighting only consists of doing flat lufberry turns.
For awhile I thought VALGAL..err I mean VALDALS and fireplug were the same person. Same whines, same crappy flying.
ack-ack
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I think the hardest fight is to fight someone skilled F4U, Vs. a 109F. No matter what the worse theng that can happen is, the 109F is going to win everytime. Can do the same to the spits as well, and turn, basically just as good. I know from countelss experinece. I don't usually fear a G6 as much, but people should fear, because its me flying it around :D.
I have never been afraid of Temps becasue all they can do is pick. A plane that I can fear, and I know it to be a PIA in the DA is, the F4U1-C. It turns good has a decent climb for F4Us and has thr guns of a Temp. I hate a Chog more that a Temp or Typhie.
La's are fun to beat when they don't have the speed to fight you in them. They are decent turners but its quite easy to kill them.
Most P-51 pilots cain't put enough to kill me, unless its 4V1, then I know that I have to take up a K-4, and tater them all.
Hurris are easy, they cain't turn as well with the speed so try and reverse them and take off, you know they cain't catch you.
Zekes are just another plane like the hurri, but can climb better than the hurri. I would be more afraid of a zeke than a Hurri at alt. What you can do with them is, pull a hard vertical G, and you can probably snap a wing off pretty easy.
IMO, 109 is the hardest plane to beat, with some skill.
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ooops wrong thread lol nvm. :aok
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I guess that's the difference between you and I, when I engage ANY NME, at an advantage or not, no matter what plane I am in, or going against, I want the best stick possible to be flying that plane, other wise it will be boring and I will learn nothing.
I want to engage the best there is, and if they are flying a "uber" ride all that much better.
Then again, you are usually in a Hurricane, and, no disrespect intended, but that plane's decision tree has no forks in it. :D
"Can I out-run/out climb X?-Negative, better try turning with them." :devil
Oddly, the decision tree is short in much the same way for P-51s and 190s, the Hurricane's diametric opposites in attributes.
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Oh puleez. Brave Sir Fireplug? He is one that should be removed from the virtual gene pool. :rofl
agreed LOL
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Dano :)
Downloaded ur films today, but am unable to watch them as they seem to be old?!
Would you be so kind as to fix the problem so that I could benefit from ur films in
learning HOW to merge successfully & engage enemy a/c to my credit? TY.
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The Joker makes a valid point....... The 152 with m00t at the wheel, the C-Hog with SHawk flying, a B24 with me flying....................... . YOU'RE DEAD. So needless to say, I think about who, not what.
you have to watch the reverse though, if you miss. :t :t :t
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I see a P51 or a Ki84 I figure im a gonner unless I get lucky.
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Most P-51 pilots cain't put enough to kill me, unless its 4V1, then I know that I have to take up a K-4, and tater them all.
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I've seen a lot of really........ineffective 51 pilots. I dunno why this plane seems to attract the type. Even as a pure run and gun plane, there are better ones in the plane set.
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4 months since I posted this and I still fear teh KI84. Although I am alot better against them now. ok maybe just a little.
F4U diving on your 6 with the flaps and or gear down is a bad sight too.
K4 climbing your rope, not a good feeling.
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The Yak, more times than not, when you see one there's a decent stick in it.
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For me its not really fear as some of the others have said, but here my list of planes that I have trouble with, but have a great deal of respect for...
Steve and his 51
Shawk and his F4U
Solar10 in a potato throwing Yak
Suffler in a 38
Dastardly in a 110
Planes that just purely annoy me...
Spit16s
La7
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If you have any alt to use, a KI84 is easy to disengage from. Point your nose at the ground & haul arse. The KI controls get pretty heavy at high speeds & then they start shedding parts. Simply get a little separation & re-engage.
P38 will smack a ki84 silly with it's own chopstick, if flown correctly :aok
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The planes with the red icons that keep shooting at me scare me the most! :uhoh
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P38 will smack a ki84 silly with it's own chopstick, if flown correctly :aok
I've done my best against many of the good p38 sticks in the ki84 as compared to fighting the same 38 sticks in another ride.
The ki84 if flown correctly will more than meet the challenge.
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Ki84s give me trouble often, but that's because most of the time I meet one it's Killnu.
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French Airbusses scare the hell outta me now :O
LTARogue
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Humans would become extinct very quickly :D
One of the scariest things I have noticed is that for jundreds of thousands of years we have found
no practical limit to human stupidity. Just think, every day you can see someone do something and think
'That's the stupidest freaking thing I've ever seen!', yet tommorrow you know someone will top it,
Nakes you fear for the future :D
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French Airbusses scare the hell outta me now :O
LTARogue
:rofl
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The plane that is 200 on my six and I don't know it's there :O
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Tempest, F4U4, Spit16, LA-7, Ki-84 in that order. These are the planes that can be dangerous no matter who is flying them, and nearly unbeatable if a good stick is flying them. The weaknesses in these planes are either marginal or very hard to exploit because of their other strengths. I always keep track of where these planes are in a multi-plane engagement, and try to neutralize them first if I have the chance. BTW, I am usually flying a 109 variant, so you don't see those in the list, but the K-4 should probably also be in the list except for the dismal range of the very lethal 30mm cannon.
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The ki84 if flown correctly will more than meet the challenge.
I am finding this to be true. My main ride is the Ki-84. Before, I wasn't sure what I was able to do with this plane until I got to the 3rd tour of flying it. I am by no means a "great stick" in it, but I can hold my own most of the time. This is a great plane once you get used to it and learn it's perks and quirks. I have noticed lately that there are a few sticks that are cautious once I engage them. These are the guys that assess the situation or capability of myself I think. After flying this plane awhile, I fear no plane...just the pilot. I have the most difficult time with Temp/Typh's/F4U, and Hurri's. They know I can't dive without shedding parts and I am not a speed demon. I am pretty much a weekend warrior, so my score is never impressive. However, the last 3 tours I have racked up a number of kills with the Ki-84, whereas the other planes I don't achieve that much.
I have shot down Spits, La's, Yaks and Pony's, etc. But only when I can get them low and slow. If the speed bumps up and the fight is a little more horizontal, I usually don't survive too long. However, the planes I mentioned above like the Typh and F4U that have good pilots will fly circles around me, just don't let me catch you low and slow or at least slow... that will increase my chances of getting you.
On another note: the other plane/pilot I will be concerned about is another Ki-84. In the last 3 tours I didn't kill one. As a matter of fact, I was only able to bag one Ki-67. N1K's can be a challenge, but do'able. I do not (or try not) to engage bombers. I lose that fight most of the time. Ki-84's are not I would consider "bomber killers". So, bombers (B17, Lanc's, B-26, B24's) need to be approached with caution.
I also agree that the word "fear" is the wrong term. "Concerned" is a good word, but I like "wary" or "cautious" or even "leery". But not fear.
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P38 will smack a ki84 silly with it's own chopstick, if flown correctly :aok
Not even close.
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When I am flying a C47 it is any plane that can fly fast as me and out turn me. When I am flying a bomber it is the crazy mother f****r that flys over my bomber and trys to bomb me asI have been killed more than once that way; I was flying my plane when a plane shoots across the screen, down past my nose, and then I explode or the OTHER crazy sumsqueak that flys his plane up my tail at full speed with WEP on like he is being chased by demons outa hell, guns'a'blazin, and pulls out so close that if his gear was down his tail wheel would brush my rudder. And when I's flying a fighter it is any plane I don't see untill to late, the one that BnZ's me, the one that alt monkey's me, or the one with a better pilot. And finaly when I am in a tank or gv, it is the one with bombs and a half-way competant pilot, or the one with six bombs, rockets, or the one with anything bigger than a 30mm, and a trigger-happy first timer that will crash into my corps (dead body, not sure if I spelled it right) because he pulls up to late. :noid
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The Joker makes a valid point....... The 152 with m00t at the wheel, the C-Hog with SHawk flying, a B24 with me flying....................... . YOU'RE DEAD. So needless to say, I think about who, not what.
holly bumpastink bat man
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Not even close.
lol is the world pink with those rose colored lenses ?
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I have a hard time shaking Yak's, and Corsair's. Yak's really give me nightmares! :devil :salute
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Hurris, dont make a mistake and give a shot. Be very careful and watch them buggers.
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F4Us tend to give me the most problems
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I fear no plane. I am humbled only by wife ack.
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I've done my best against many of the good p38 sticks in the ki84 as compared to fighting the same 38 sticks in another ride.
The ki84 if flown correctly will more than meet the challenge.
Now that i mainly fly the p38 I have found the ki84 to be the "main course" unless the ki is flown by one of the few very good ki drivers. If it is a clean merge at typical MA speeds, the 38 will get 1st couple snaps on the ki almost routinely! Now "when and if" the fight degenerates slow enough for the ki to get its flaps out, then the "fat lady" is warmin up and ki will probably win! But at 300mph+ merge speeds the ki cannot bleed the E nearly as fast as the 38 and the BIG wing will get the 38 around 1st most of the time, therefore the ki gives up the 1st couple shots to the 38 :aok
I have also found the 38 to be easier to manipulate in the verticle fight, raw #s says the ki is better in the vert but only the corsair floats better than the 38 IMHO A soft confident touch in the 38 and it will obey!:aok
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Now that i mainly fly the p38 I have found the ki84 to be the "main course" unless the ki is flown by one of the few very good ki drivers. If it is a clean merge at typical MA speeds, the 38 will get 1st couple snaps on the ki almost routinely! Now "when and if" the fight degenerates slow enough for the ki to get its flaps out, then the "fat lady" is warmin up and ki will probably win! But at 300mph+ merge speeds the ki cannot bleed the E nearly as fast as the 38 and the BIG wing will get the 38 around 1st most of the time, therefore the ki gives up the 1st couple shots to the 38 :aok
I have also found the 38 to be easier to manipulate in the verticle fight, raw #s says the ki is better in the vert but only the corsair floats better than the 38 IMHO A soft confident touch in the 38 and it will obey!:aok
Yep, as long as the P-38 keeps the fight fast (250mph IAS and above) where the Ki-84 can't deploy its flaps, the P-38 will have the advantage. As with all things in life, YMMV.
ack-ack
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I have a hard time shaking Yak's, and Corsair's. Yak's really give me nighmares! :devil :salute
I know a great way......put'er into a hard dive without any warning or previous manuvering, turn around, and use all that E you are packing and scoot as fast as you can to a group of friendlies. Or start flying a plane that can fly faster or out turn it or maby as soon as you can tell it is a yak then try to lead him onto another "target" more suited to dealing with him or lead him past a friendly flying in the opposite direction.
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Really this depends on the plane you are in at the time.
From my 109G-6 perspective the Spit 8 is the worst because I can't get an advantage no matter the situation. It's too good. A little girl could be me in it. F-4Us and Yaks are hard to get away from in furballs.
I'm sorry but I couldn't disagree more about fearing the "pilot". I never fear any pilots. Why? Who's the pilot? You don't even know who the pilot is until the fight is over then it's a little late! If you go into it thinking "oh God, what is this pilot going to do????" you'll lose because you aren't keeping your eye on the ball, which is the plane. Know the plane, assume the pilot is the best in the world, then you should know exactly what "he's gonna do".
Fight the plane, not the pilot.
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Really this depends on the plane you are in at the time.
Key.
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lol is the world pink with those rose colored lenses ?
Having a name like "TwinBoom" kinda kills any pretense of impartiality you might claim.
The fact is that the Ki-84 and P-38L are very closely matched and the skill of the pilots will determine the winner. It is probable that the higher the skill levels the better for the P-38 driver and at the lowest skill levels the Ki-84 will have a massive advantage.
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You don't even know who the pilot is until the fight is over then it's a little late!
Fight the plane, not the pilot.
Sorry but this is wrong. There are several pilots who have tendencies which can help in a fight against them. People fly the planes differently. I know Moot's 152, a muppet k4, Corky's 38(by the missing parts), Del's, AKAK's and Shreck's 38, Snaphook's a20, Shane's LA7, Skat's 51, Goobm's tiffie, Lippy's Ki, Greebo's F6, Skyrock's, mtnman and his wingie, and shawks Hogs, etc etc etc
Many many times I've had people say "I knew that was you, Steve" so obviously I have tendencies too. Maybe this means I have a weakness that can be exploited.
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Fear? none of them..
if there is any "fear" it comes after the initial merge when you see your opponent begin setting up his fight.. thats when you know what you are dealing with, and will know if the guy are about to rock and roll with has his head screwed on, and how tight.
for the most part, what aircraft it is, is arbitrary.
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Sorry but this is wrong. There are several pilots who have tendencies which can help in a fight against them. People fly the planes differently. I know Moot's 152, a muppet k4, Corky's 38(by the missing parts), Del's, AKAK's and Shreck's 38, Snaphook's a20, Shane's LA7, Skat's 51, Goobm's tiffie, Lippy's Ki, Greebo's F6, Skyrock's, mtnman and his wingie, and shawks Hogs, etc etc etc
Many many times I've had people say "I knew that was you, Steve" so obviously I have tendencies too. Maybe this means I have a weakness that can be exploited.
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In the end the pilot makes the plane. While a given plane might have a specific performance advantage a good pilot can put up a reasonable fight in almost any plane. In a typical fight with reasonable parity at the start or sufficient air under the plane a good pilot can normally manufacture transient opportunities against a superior plane. Doesn't mean he'll win but normally he'll be able to capitalize on mistakes by lesser pilots and force other good pilots to explore th boundaries of there ACM skills....
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I see you have not figured it out yet grasshopper...
Respect the pilot not the plane, Fear nothing.
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well...for me it's the Yak-9, just because I don't know it's disadvantages and advantages. Need to do some research on that.
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The soon to be Brewster Buffalo!!! :noid
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WMLute's Schtookie. I *hates* that vamint.
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Spit16s. It can be any pilot, good, bad or terrible and I know that once I see one pop up all they're going to do is turn their wings perpendicular to the ground and just turn. Then if they miss or have the idea that I'm on their six,...they'll nose-down and just run and run.
That and tanks that are level with me on a hill.
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I fear the plane that runs.
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Several, I suppose? heheheh My game has holes!
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to SORT of answer the question.. the 152.. again not because of the plane itself, but because USUALLY when I happen across one, it has someone decent in it.. I figure the ones flown by noobs get shot down before I find them.
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The plane that is 200 on my six and I don't know it's there :O
The plane that is 200 on my six and I DO KNOW it's there ... ;)
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The one I'm flying. I know that with or without damage, it will auger in at the earliest oppurtunity. :(
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Sorry but this is wrong. There are several pilots who have tendencies which can help in a fight against them. People fly the planes differently. I know Moot's 152, a muppet k4, Corky's 38(by the missing parts), Del's, AKAK's and Shreck's 38, Snaphook's a20, Shane's LA7, Skat's 51, Goobm's tiffie, Lippy's Ki, Greebo's F6, Skyrock's, mtnman and his wingie, and shawks Hogs, etc etc etc
Many many times I've had people say "I knew that was you, Steve" so obviously I have tendencies too. Maybe this means I have a weakness that can be exploited.
Don't "sorry" me. I'm right, even though you think I'm wrong because the facts is this: At the end of the day no matter who you are fighting against, he can't make the plane do what it simply can't do. So again, fight the plane not the pilot. Unless you want to put yourself in that plane's envelope on purpose, in that case to each their own.
I've been flying WWII air combat sims for 12 years. Don't tell me I'm wrong.
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In the end the pilot makes the plane.
Not really. In the end, the manufacturer (or computer programmer in our case) makes the plane. The pilot does his best to use what that plane is built to do and stay away from what it can't do. If our discussion excels beyond the remedial then how can one tell me that a jug, flown by anyone, will out-turn a Spit? Because it can't. Because it's the plane.
A pilot is only as good as his equipment allows him to be. Know your equipment. Win fights. He who knows the equipment best is the better pilot. So know your equipment and all you have to fear is yourself making an error. Who cares about the other guy?
I'm not saying that pilot skill doesn't come into it. Of course it does. I'm merely saying that the pilot's skills are confined to what the aircraft CAN DO. So you fight the plane. Do that and it doesn't matter what the "pilot" does because his range won't extend beyond the plane.
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Not really. In the end, the manufacturer (or computer programmer in our case) makes the plane. The pilot does his best to use what that plane is built to do and stay away from what it can't do. If our discussion excels beyond the remedial then how can one tell me that a jug, flown by anyone, will out-turn a Spit? Because it can't. Because it's the plane.
A pilot is only as good as his equipment allows him to be. Know your equipment. Win fights. He who knows the equipment best is the better pilot. So know your equipment and all you have to fear is yourself making an error. Who cares about the other guy?
I'm not saying that pilot skill doesn't come into it. Of course it does. I'm merely saying that the pilot's skills are confined to what the aircraft CAN DO. So you fight the plane. Do that and it doesn't matter what the "pilot" does because his range won't extend beyond the plane.
The problem with that logic is that it is incomplete. A Jug can easily out turn a spitfire for example....within a certain set of parameters. So what tends to happen is that the pilot who is secure that he has "the better plane" is often deficient in both tactics and imagination. On the other hand the pilot with the "lesser plane" is constantly looking for ways to shape the fight in a manner that allows him to exploit his planes strengths and play on the opponents short comings. The vast majority of a "dogfight" occurs within the meat of the overlapping flight models allowing for both pilots to utilize a significant range of options. In the end the plane is much more pilot limited. Really good pilots are good in any plane.
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Sorry but this is wrong. There are several pilots who have tendencies which can help in a fight against them. People fly the planes differently. I know Moot's 152, a muppet k4, Corky's 38(by the missing parts), Del's, AKAK's and Shreck's 38, Snaphook's a20, Shane's LA7, Skat's 51, Goobm's tiffie, Lippy's Ki, Greebo's F6, Skyrock's, mtnman and his wingie, and shawks Hogs, etc etc etc
Many many times I've had people say "I knew that was you, Steve" so obviously I have tendencies too. Maybe this means I have a weakness that can be exploited.
I agree with this. I was running into K4s a lot in the last month and I could tell who it was by how it was flown. I told BillyD one night that I could tell right off by the opening move he was making. Agent tends to fly his K4 in a certain way too.
I think the other thing is you start to note in Latewar in particular who isn't flying the latest and greatest and watch for them. That and you notice who knows what a throttle is and who doesn't, in particular in the BnZ birds. Some of the 51 drivers are never going to hit anything because they drop from so high, going so fast that you can defeat their shot no problem. And if you stick around a certain fight long enough, you know who is there and which birds are the bigger threat.
I suppose some of us would live longer too if we flew more 'anonymous' birds, but I kinda like knowing my 38G is going to be a target right away because it's a 38G :)
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agree with Dan and Steve on this one. I have called out a few people by plane type and how they flew....and have had some do it to me as well.
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Don't tell me I'm wrong.
Well, as others have pointed out... you're wrong. You must be disappointed to learn that having 12 years of sim experience doesn't guarantee you're right about everything.
An enemy is a plane and a pilot, and pilots have varying abilities and tendencies. You would be silly to fight every plane of a specific model the same way when you have the opportunity to use knowledge at hand to possibly gain an edge, but this is exactly what you are espousing. You go ahead and limit yourself though, while the rest of us use our experience and knowledge of our opponents as part of our tools of the fight. I wonder who is more successful, you or I.
FWIW, for all your many many years of sim experience and your boundless knowledge of the genre, I've never heard of you. Do you actually play this game?
And killn's ki, lately!
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The one I don't see.
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C47, cuz it's full of angry drunks :eek:
Airframe-wise: Tempest, P51, K4. Temp and 51 because they close distances so quickly while you are occupied requiring a higher SA "refresh rate" in a fight. K4 because as soon as you start heading home alone, low on ammo and fuel one will auto-spawn on your long 6.
As for highest concentrations of pilot quality: A P38G or J is interesting followed by 109s followed by INK, his metachlorian count is amazing. I always seem to eke out the win, but the requisite 6 friendlies might have had something to do with that... :uhoh
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Man all tis talk about planes and tactics.....my head is hurtin. Just give me an Osti or a tank please.....And Steve I didn't see my name on your list....what the hey ??? :cry
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I agree with this. I was running into K4s a lot in the last month and I could tell who it was by how it was flown. I told BillyD one night that I could tell right off by the opening move he was making. Agent tends to fly his K4 in a certain way too.
I think the other thing is you start to note in Latewar in particular who isn't flying the latest and greatest and watch for them. That and you notice who knows what a throttle is and who doesn't, in particular in the BnZ birds. Some of the 51 drivers are never going to hit anything because they drop from so high, going so fast that you can defeat their shot no problem. And if you stick around a certain fight long enough, you know who is there and which birds are the bigger threat.
I suppose some of us would live longer too if we flew more 'anonymous' birds, but I kinda like knowing my 38G is going to be a target right away because it's a 38G :)
The pony drivers that excell at long arm shots, say 800-1K are very tough customers indead!
No doubt the p38G is a primo target!! Now see what you've started corky! :furious :aok :aok :rofl :rofl
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I don't fear any, but I respect them all!
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Don't "sorry" me. I'm right, even though you think I'm wrong because the facts is this: At the end of the day no matter who you are fighting against, he can't make the plane do what it simply can't do. So again, fight the plane not the pilot. Unless you want to put yourself in that plane's envelope on purpose, in that case to each their own.
I've been flying WWII air combat sims for 12 years. Don't tell me I'm wrong.
You're wrong and I have more experience playing these games than you do.
ack-ack
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the one with the red icon over it.
I changed enemy icons to pink and purple :D
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Man all tis talk about planes and tactics.....my head is hurtin. Just give me an Osti or a tank please.....And Steve I didn't see my name on your list....what the hey ??? :cry
LTARogue
Sorry Rogue, I love ya man... I just never GV and rarely get in on a vulch so I don't see much of ya.
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You're wrong and I have more experience playing these games than you do.
ack-ack
I'm right, and no you don't. You were CZ 38 guy huh?
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Slyguy what's your handle?
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Slyguy what's your handle?
qSLYp
What's your handle?
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I'm right, and no you don't.
Ooooo.. As far as your post before it was edited... this isn't air warrior..
Your second... pretty lame and childish, Im sure you have a headache after thinking that one up..
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Ooooo.. As far as your post before it was edited... this isn't air warrior..
Your second... pretty lame and childish, Im sure you have a headache after thinking that one up..
Woe is me. Some dude named Lazerr on the internet called me names.
In case you missed it, Ack's message to me was the same as mine. So I guess what goes for me goes for him also. :salute
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Woe is me. Some dude named Lazerr on the internet called me names.
In case you missed it, Ack's message to me was the same as mine. So I guess what goes for me goes for him also. :salute
Well there are some differences between you and AKAK.
1 You seem to think that merely being around flight sims for 12 years means you are correct all the time, in spite of the fact that everyone else who posted about it said you are wrong.
2 AKAK, after playing for many years, doesn't suck at AHII. You do. :aok
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Woe is me. Some dude named Lazerr on the internet called me names.
In case you missed it, Ack's message to me was the same as mine. So I guess what goes for me goes for him also. :salute
I'm not a big stats guy but I'd venture you've got an awful lot to learn after taking a gander. I cant see anything that would lead me to believe you've got above average ACM skills. Statistically my numbers last month in the LWA in an A-20 are better then your G6 numbers. Whats funny is that if you look at my A-20 stats I've got the most kills vs spitXVI and second is P-51.
Using skuzzy's uber stats page I was 15-3 in the LWA last tour vs spits of all flavors in the A-20. And the guys your in a pissing match with smack me around regularly. I'd just realize that your comments simply show how much room you have to improve...
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Well there are some differences between you and AKAK.
1 You seem to think that merely being around flight sims for 12 years means you are correct all the time, in spite of the fact that everyone else who posted about it said you are wrong.
2 AKAK, after playing for many years, doesn't suck at AHII. You do. :aok
Spot on. :aok
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I'm not a big stats guy but I'd venture you've got an awful lot to learn after taking a gander. I cant see anything that would lead me to believe you've got above average ACM skills. Statistically my numbers last month in the LWA in an A-20 are better then your G6 numbers. Whats funny is that if you look at my A-20 stats I've got the most kills vs spitXVI and second is P-51.
Using skuzzy's uber stats page I was 15-3 in the LWA last tour vs spits of all flavors in the A-20. And the guys your in a pissing match with smack me around regularly. I'd just realize that your comments simply show how much room you have to improve...
Ah jeez here we go.
Here's the last thing I have to say on this, and really the last thing I have to say on this snooty, condescending, hair salon you Stepford Wives call a forum. Listen up.
All I did was share a method that has rarely failed me. I completely believe in it but I think it bruised a few too many egos and stepped on too many toes because it didn't stroke some particular egos around here. It was just my .02 cents and boy you had to let me know how worthless they were didn't you? I didn't say one word about how "good" I am nor how good anyone isn't. That had nothing to do with anything that I said.
And you just spent a bunch of time comparing your numbers to me, who has been afk for three years and hasn't even finished 2 tours since my return. Way to go, man. You're an inspiration to us all.
Here's how stupid I'm not. Don't butt in here after nosing around in my score sheet like it's your big sister's diary trying to prove a point when you full well know that it says nothing about what is going on in my typical AH evening. You know nothing about it. And if you do know, please share with me my sorties and what happened in them. And if you can't, shut up.
How's that?
I'll let you all gossip about me amongst yourselves. All I've gotten here is a **** storm of arrogance and attacks from the minute I asked a simple question in the help forum several weeks ago. You can have it.
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All I did was share a method that has rarely failed me
Actually I'd say it rarely works for you, feel free to look me up anytime and we'll explore the possibilities....
BTW I was the 1st guy that replied to your request for help there. I'm not trying to attack you, your simply making a lot of blanket statements that are inherently wrong....
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All I've gotten here is a **** storm of arrogance
This from the same turd who said:
Don't "sorry" me. I'm right,
I've been flying WWII air combat sims for 12 years. Don't tell me I'm wrong.
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I'm right, and no you don't
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now:
Here's how stupid I'm not. Don't butt in here after nosing around in my score sheet like it's your big sister's diary trying to prove a point when you full well know that it says nothing about what is going on in my typical AH evening. You know nothing about it. And if you do know, please share with me my sorties and what happened in them. And if you can't, shut up.
You were preaching, incorrectly. When challenged on it you went with the "12 years... " stuff as if you are a seasoned veteran; not a classy one but as a turd looking down his nose at the masses. Looking at your scores tells us you average an anemic 3 kills per hour. You are either very timid or very bad.
As for any poo flinging in this thread, you brought that on yourself. You could have taken your medicine like a man... or gone the route you actually chose: cry like a wounded schoolgirl and run home with your barbies.
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I'm right, and no you don't. You were CZ 38 guy huh?
Unless you played AW on Genie (which you didn't), its a safe assumption that my 16 years playing flight sims trumps your 12 years. If you want to see how much of a factor the pilot is, we can always test it out. Me in a P-38J and you in a 'better' plane. How many fights do you think you'll lose in 10 minutes?
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I know our prowess in-game is really the only thing we have to go off here folks, but X numbers of years and a certain k/d doesn't add up to much in the grand scheme of things...most of the time it simply means somebody was born before somebody else or person X discovered AH before person Y. These are things we can't use to put down our fellow cartoon pilots.
Moment of perspective over. :)
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<< on so so..... but I'll fly anywhere, anytime, against anyone.
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Unless you played AW on Genie (which you didn't), its a safe assumption that my 16 years playing flight sims trumps your 12 years.
Oh no! Delphi? Cris ring any bells? Ack-Ack....Dont tell me you were that spin dweeb...Vargis from B-Land?
Only other person that flew a nice 38 was Fool. Subbie was just learning back then.
J/K but it better not be true.....LOL
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What Steve said.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/mad.gif) :furious :mad: :cry
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109-K4 or Tempest.
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The spit? that I am taxinig to the re-arm pad in FSO; & the n00bs that don't know that "killshooter" is off in FSO that are also trying to get to the re-arm pad.
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Me in a P-38J and you in a 'better' plane. How many fights do you think you'll lose in 10 minutes?
ack-ack
:rofl You in a pj! There are few combination that are better, maybe lazer in pj! Stop bating him ack-ack it's no contest! :D
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C47, cuz it's full of angry drunks :eek:
Airframe-wise: Tempest, P51, K4. Temp and 51 because they close distances so quickly while you are occupied requiring a higher SA "refresh rate" in a fight. K4 because as soon as you start heading home alone, low on ammo and fuel one will auto-spawn on your long 6.
As for highest concentrations of pilot quality: A P38G or J is interesting followed by 109s followed by INK, his metachlorian count is amazing. I always seem to eke out the win, but the requisite 6 friendlies might have had something to do with that... :uhoh
Yes I had to look up "metachlorian" :lol :salute
I think "slyguy" and "skytiger" are one and the same.
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Know the plane, assume the pilot is the best in the world, then you should know exactly what "he's gonna do".
I agreed with the rest of your post that this sentance is cut from. I hope you dont mind me chipping in about this one quote.
Assuming the pilot is infact the worst in the world does wonders for pre-fight confidence. Remarkably It appears assuming the worst turns out better for the most part. When I recognise an attack or defence that is obviously well controlled I start figuring on the best. Once in a while the realisation may come too slow. Personal opinion, I find alot more engagements that benifit from an overbearing arrogance (untill proven wrong) than suffer through a late realisation of the underestimation of the enemy.
A more learned player of aceshigh can often be spotted long before the merge if one pays attention. Just watch out for the ace who sprays a wild ho shot and misses from D2000 only to trick you and destroy you before you realise it is not a 2 week zipcode.
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I fear the picker! :aok
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Just watch out for the ace who sprays a wild ho shot and misses from D2000 only to trick you and destroy you before you realise it is not a 2 week zipcode.
*WARNING* to all players: If you do this, you may have fun winning at AHII now, but you *will* got to Hell later. :devil They'll marinate and fry you on the same level with all the cannibal serial murderers and that guy who keeps producing Ben Stiller movies.... :noid
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I fear the picker! :aok
Amen... Most of them fly P51s or Typhies... Throw in an occaisional 190, well maybe a bit more then occaisional...
Basically anyone who won't fight unless they have at least 5k in alt advantage.
I actually much prefer anything that comes in for a relatively co-alt merge. Even a Spixteen will usually go for a couple of turns before he tries to run. It's the wildly popular hi alt Pony horde, which is waaay too common, that I fear. It usually results in me moving to a different area of the map to look for someone who actually wants to try and fight, instead of someone whose idea of fun is attempting to shoot the proverbial fish in a barrel and padding their score.
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It's the wildly popular hi alt Pony horde, which is waaay too common, that I fear.
Us pony drivers are so typecast.
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Us pony drivers are so typecast.
You know... I have run across a few Pony drivers who are interested in fighting. Very few.
The vast majority fall into the one pass haul buttocks category.
Steve, my apologies if you get lumped into the group that flies your ride in the snooze mode...
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You know... I have run across a few Pony drivers who are interested in fighting. Very few.
The vast majority fall into the one pass haul buttocks category.
Steve, my apologies if you get lumped into the group that flies your ride in the snooze mode...
Aww I don't mind...you are right about them, with some few exceptions.
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Aww I don't mind...you are right about them, with some few exceptions.
I always enjoy the exceptions... Unfortunately they ARE exceptions to the rule... The normal are the bore tards, as I like to call them.
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well my new plane I fear/hate!
the damn Typhoon/ temp pilot, Flys in with 5k alt advantage, dives, shoots and runs away, turns around and repeat
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I think "slyguy" and "skytiger" are one and the same.
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Sounds very plausible :lol
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i fear no plane because:
its the man, not the machine
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I don't know about Fear, but I think the KI84 is the hardest to fight against.
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You know... I have run across a few Pony drivers who are interested in fighting. Very few.
OlDemon in that 51 of his. No matter what I'm in, he will be behind me and shooting me down in no time! :(
Oh, and don't kid yourself...Fear the peeelot!
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Subject pretty much sums it up, which plane do you have the most trouble fighting? Mine is the KI84, I have a heck of a time shaking them, Seem to dive fairly well, they turn on a dime, and climb forever. Absolutely hate finding one of them 1v1.
any one of them in the set, if they're flown by a skilled pilot. an excellent pile-it can take an ew plane, and in most cases easily take on a poor, or average pile-it in just about any plane of his choice.
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I think people who stick to 1 particular type of fighting are the least to fear, they fly planes that are REALLY REALLY good at 1 thing.. speed, turning, or guns.. etc
and what kills them is the mentality that they go into the fight with.. "im in a good turn fighter, so thats what im going to do, turn fight" they have no other game plan beyond that, so if you refuse to fight their fight, they are lost..
the people (in the plane) to fear the most are the people who fly the fight, not the plane. they go into the fight with a game plan too, to kill you, and they know numerous ways to do this. With people like these there is no "your fight" or "their fight" just THE fight.
these people seem to gravitate more towards aircraft that have no 1 magic power, but that are useful all around, decent speed, turning, useful guns... they don't need 1 overwhelming superpower to be effective, they know what they can do, and what you CANNOT do, and will move forward along those lines until you are dead.
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I think people who stick to 1 particular type of fighting are the least to fear, they fly planes that are REALLY REALLY good at 1 thing.. speed, turning, or guns.. etc
and what kills them is the mentality that they go into the fight with.. "im in a good turn fighter, so thats what im going to do, turn fight" they have no other game plan beyond that, so if you refuse to fight their fight, they are lost..
the people (in the plane) to fear the most are the people who fly the fight, not the plane. they go into the fight with a game plan too, to kill you, and they know numerous ways to do this. With people like these there is no "your fight" or "their fight" just THE fight.
these people seem to gravitate more towards aircraft that have no 1 magic power, but that are useful all around, decent speed, turning, useful guns... they don't need 1 overwhelming superpower to be effective, they know what they can do, and what you CANNOT do, and will move forward along those lines until you are dead.
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One of the best posts I seen in a long time
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I fly the BF 109-K4 and I like it because it is a picture of many colors to say, I haven't found a real weakness except for my skill's. But it still does things that surprise me and I have to log to watch the film to see just how I did it. And I'm just now starting to realize some of it's potential's, I have heard it wasn't a TnB but at time's I have surprised spits (and myself :O). It pull's E out of no where, it has great rudder control (got me out of a pickle more than once), "One Shot One Kill" enough said about that, and it comes from under enemy planes and just flat out climb's them. I have been playing for about 3 years now and it is the only plane that I have flown that I can't wait to log on and hunt for a fight in, I have so much confidence in it. I'm not intimidated by other planes in the game because I know I have a chance and if I can time my lead turn right on the merge the fight is all but over ( not always, but that's how I feel when flying the K4). And if anything, I get killed more now because I think my little 109 is top dog and its capable of anything, than me second guessing myself and making all the wrong moves. I don't want to sound arrogant and that's not what I'm trying insinuate, I just found a ride in the game that fits me like a glove, so I can honestly say I don't fear any other plane in the game no matter who the driver is. :salute
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The one on my six....... :uhoh
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It is a rock-paper-scissors situation.
Most planes have a nemesis. The trick is to be in the right place at the right time with the right plane.
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Most planes have a nemesis. The trick is to be in the right place at the right time with the right plane.
What? :x
All planes have strengths and weaknesses. You fly your plane to it strengths against the other guys planes weaknesses.
The trick is knowing each planes strengths and weaknesses.
I only fear the guy that can shoot straight, if he manages to get behind me. The rest are merely eye candy in the sky :)
CM#1
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The zero..that is one plane I have trouble with. I can't fly them and have large dollops of hassles fighting them...they are horrible little critters.
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i hate fighting zekes,ki84s, and all F4U's there all hard to kill in a "turn" fight with my 38 :P but fun