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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: rod367th on February 01, 2009, 02:03:18 PM
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1. No it doesn't take two to HO. A ho by both is nose to nose both not trying to maneuver in any way.
2. Pick is not guy with more alt. Pick is killing another while he is engaged with a friendly.
3. NOE is 499ft or less and always has been.
4. just because guy is low rank under say 20 means hes a score ho is dumb. ( if his bomber hit% over 600 and attack bomb hit over 400% he is trying for score other tan that hes just playing game well rounded out)
5. just because a guy breaks off doesn't always mean he scared or chicken. Means he has good SA and See's he is outnumbered or out of fuel soon or low ammo or sees your help coming in to pick him)
6. Head-on attacks were taught by US, GB, and Luftwaffe's on enemy planes and Japanese on bombers only/.go back Thu BBS u can find pages from my fathers fight manual teaching Head-on attacks, and read about thatch weave you Will see it was used. Also chuck Yeager's was shot down trying to ho a 190. so u can imagine if he was using I'm sure allot tried it in real life too.
now for treating of new people.
1. why do a few of you think its funny to say alt f4 to any question by a new player. This game needs new players to grow and help htc build a better platform.
2. if you don't want to him them stay quiet play your game, but to butt in while others try to help is just plain ignorance.
3. telling them to leave to go training or calling them squeakers. instead of just letting others help them shows at least me i want them in the game more than i would like u in the game :)
4. telling them that spitfire is a dweebs plane is ridiculous. There are no dweeb planes every plane has its good points and its disadvantages.
Best thing if new or fairly new is just play game and have fun your way. ignore the guys that will try to belittle others in a game. But please always ask before sending a request to fly in someones plane. its the polite thing to do.
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Sounds like your tired of defending yourself from all of the above. :lol
But I agree with you on all but the first.
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Sounds like your tired of defending yourself from all of the above. :lol
:rofl
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Sounds like your tired of defending yourself from all of the above. :lol
But I agree with you on all but the first.
actually, it doesn't take two. '
if your sole intent is to ho me, and i try to maneuver away from it,. regardless if it's successful or not, you ho'd me.
i know what you;re gonna say next....it's a hi angle deflection shot.........wrongo.
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while we are on urban legends.. how about addressing..
dropping friendly troops on a town kills any enemy troops that have entered.
landing at strat targets will give you a landed successfully / ditch.
bombing a hangar that is already down will make it stay down longer.
having 2 throttles will give you the ability to make the p38 turn much sharper and do "uber" moves.. its a "must have" (really sick of hearing that one)
you can land field supplies on a CV and repair it.
there are more I just cant think of them ATM.
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>SNIP> 3. telling them to leave to go training or calling them squeakers. instead of just letting others help them shows at least me i want them in the game more than i would like u in the game
4. telling them that spitfire is a dweebs plane is ridiculous. There are no dweeb planes every plane has its good points and its disadvantages. >/SNIP>
We would all like you to go to the TA with him if you want to clog the text buffer with your explainations on how to do basic things to someone who wont read the help files.
Spitfires are really easy planes to fly and new folks can get a lot of confidence in such a forgiving plane that does not require as much experience to get a kill.
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landing at strat targets will give you a landed successfully / ditch.
If it's a friendly factory and you're on concrete it will
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If it's a friendly factory and you're on concrete it will
The concrete at factories as no influence on landing result at all. It just like any other spot on the map:
In a plane, it will always result in ditch or capture (depending on the ownership of the closest tower)
In a GV you may get a "landed succesfully" if no enemy is around. But that is also possible at any other place on the map (including enemy bases) and isn't a result of being on concrete.
(see this short 133kb film: ki-84 landing on concrete at AA factory: http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=4b12b5cc24a8b0abc74f70ddb56f9ac856485f8f05165657 )
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actually, it doesn't take two. '
if your sole intent is to ho me, and i try to maneuver away from it,. regardless if it's successful or not, you ho'd me.
i know what you;re gonna say next....it's a hi angle deflection shot.........wrongo.
unless you're doing stall speeds the only real person you can whine to about being ho'd is yourself.. that's why you'll never see me or any of the guys in our squad whining about it (if they do we give them a lesson in evasive manuevering). Someone trying to ho me is them coming at me donut front because a few moments later I'm blowing rounds into them. Why would anyone ever want to complain about a guy who's intent on giving me an advantage in a fight by trying to ho me.
The day I have sympathy for someone calling out a HO'er...
As for the ALT f4 thing... It's just pathetic. Fortunately most people who know how to use a computer know that it's pretty much a universal shut down command.
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weird, only time i've seen friendly troops go into a map room is if some enmy troops have already gone in. otherwise they just disapear when you drop them.
S!
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weird, only time i've seen friendly troops go into a map room is if some enmy troops have already gone in. otherwise they just disapear when you drop them.
I think that's depending on auto ack being up or not...
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S!
town ded, no ack, enmy drops troops, sum troops get killed. drop friendly troops, they go to map room. just what i've seen. dunno if it really works but it is fun :D
S!
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5. just because a guy breaks off doesn't always mean he scared or chicken. Means he has good SA and See's he is outnumbered or out of fuel soon or low ammo or sees your help coming in to pick him)
What about when a guy breaks from a 1v1? That's when I call them chicken toejam.
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The concrete at factories as no influence on landing result at all. It just like any other spot on the map:
In a plane, it will always result in ditch or capture (depending on the ownership of the closest tower)
In a GV you may get a "landed succesfully" if no enemy is around. But that is also possible at any other place on the map (including enemy bases) and isn't a result of being on concrete.
(see this short 133kb film: ki-84 landing on concrete at AA factory: http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=4b12b5cc24a8b0abc74f70ddb56f9ac856485f8f05165657 )
Ok, I was just informed by Baumer that he was able to safely land at a city in LWB.
That made me go onlibe and do several tests again.
Result: Indeed you seem to be able to safely land a plane on any City strat, I tested it on two different maps in different arenas. That's somewhat odd as it never worked in earlier versions.
However, I tried to land on different factory strat targets, both in LWB and EW (2 different factories each) all being "friendly". Despite ending up on concrete perfectly, I always got a "ditch.
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You will get a ditch when landing at strats other than the city. The way he said it states that you will not get a Land OR ditch. I don't think that's what he means though.
oops..didnt see your last post
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There is no such thing as a 'pick'... period. If you make the choice to engage one on one you cannot 'assume' its safe to ignore everything outside of your little private fight because it never is. 'Dumb' would be assuming it is.
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<urbanlegend>
You can get picked up by friendly planes...NOT!
</urbanlegend>
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There is no such thing as a 'pick'... period. If you make the choice to engage one on one you cannot 'assume' its safe to ignore everything outside of your little private fight because it never is. 'Dumb' would be assuming it is.
It does not matter what either of the pilots think, the definition is killing someone already in a fight.
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I can say exactly the same thing in defense of killing anyone Mensa. He just thought he was busy with one guy when he was really busy with me OR how about a squaddie asking you to help? Not allowed? Sorry but I dont think so.
I can understand 'allowing' someone to fly home after a good fight but expecting to find a one on one fight in the arena where no one ever gets picked... go to the DA.
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4. telling them that spitfire is a dweebs plane is ridiculous. There are no dweeb planes every plane has its good points and its disadvantages.
...well...er...the Spitfire is a very fine plane to learn on....
- oldman
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the whole "pick" thing.. is kinda retarded.
if I come across a friendly who is in deep crap asking for help.. what? im supposed to just orbit.. and wait??
thats absurd..
what does it make you if you ignore a friendly begging for help??
I would rather be a "picker" than someone who leaves someone high and dry.
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If you ever see me in a 1v1 please wait till its over. I prefer to die trying. I tend to learn something from every fight.
If I'm not busy at the time, I will help anyone if I can. Heck, I'm still learning the game myself.
Thanks.
:salute
A8Grind
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If you ever see me in a 1v1 please wait till its over. I prefer to die trying. I tend to learn something from every fight.
Same here
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Umm, seems to have no logic to it. How can you really learn anything if you never learn to know when to disengage? Like, if I'm in a fight on the deck with one guy, low E and all, and spot a 2nd and maybe a 3rd guy come in, I'll try to extend, climb, to try and regain the advantage if possible. If that's not possible I'M GETTING THE HECK OUTTA THERE!!!
What you are doing with that attitude is, a) never allowing yourself to learn how to watch your back and b) fight until there are no enemies or ammo left, or until you DIE.
I see no logic in it, other than it could be done by a AI just as well.
It's like... other enemies showing up IS part of the game AND part of the fight. If people don't want to adapt to the fact we have a DA and the MAs aren't it, it's not my problem really.
That's my €0.02
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1. why do a few of you think its funny to say alt f4 to any question by a new player. This game needs new players to grow and help htc build a better platform.
If I answer something like alt f4 to someone, it's because their question went along the lines of:
"How do I fly?"
"Where are the F-15s?"
"How to I fly a B-29"
If its anything more advanced than "How do I use the bombsight" I am more than happy to help. But if someone is going to come into the main arena without spending so much as 5 minutes in the Training Arena first, then no, I DONT want him there. I want people in the game who at least take the time to look for an answer themselves in the proper area rather than jumping into the thick of it and expecting us to hold their hands.
And yes, the FIRST place I went when I started this game, was the training arena. Its there for a reason.
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If you ever see me in a 1v1 please wait till its over. I prefer to die trying. I tend to learn something from every fight.
If I'm not busy at the time, I will help anyone if I can. Heck, I'm still learning the game myself...
Just so you know grind I always ask and usually cover the fight unless I am asked in but my answer to the same question is: If you can kill him go for it.
I dont generally have to share too many kills but I will share! :aok
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I dont generally have to share too many kills but I will share! :aok
Now that's the kind of attitude I like!
Aggressive! :devil
NOT like... Nooo stay out of the fight, he's mine let me park on his six for a few minutes so I can shoot him down. :cry
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1. No it doesn't take two to HO. A ho by both is nose to nose both not trying to maneuver in any way.
2. Pick is not guy with more alt. Pick is killing another while he is engaged with a friendly.
3. NOE is 499ft or less and always has been.
4. just because guy is low rank under say 20 means hes a score ho is dumb. ( if his bomber hit% over 600 and attack bomb hit over 400% he is trying for score other tan that hes just playing game well rounded out)
5. just because a guy breaks off doesn't always mean he scared or chicken. Means he has good SA and See's he is outnumbered or out of fuel soon or low ammo or sees your help coming in to pick him)
6. Head-on attacks were taught by US, GB, and Luftwaffe's on enemy planes and Japanese on bombers only/.go back Thu BBS u can find pages from my fathers fight manual teaching Head-on attacks, and read about thatch weave you Will see it was used. Also chuck Yeager's was shot down trying to ho a 190. so u can imagine if he was using I'm sure allot tried it in real life too.
now for treating of new people.
1. why do a few of you think its funny to say alt f4 to any question by a new player. This game needs new players to grow and help htc build a better platform.
2. if you don't want to him them stay quiet play your game, but to butt in while others try to help is just plain ignorance.
3. telling them to leave to go training or calling them squeakers. instead of just letting others help them shows at least me i want them in the game more than i would like u in the game :)
4. telling them that spitfire is a dweebs plane is ridiculous. There are no dweeb planes every plane has its good points and its disadvantages.
Best thing if new or fairly new is just play game and have fun your way. ignore the guys that will try to belittle others in a game. But please always ask before sending a request to fly in someones plane. its the polite thing to do.
Rod, you're correct on all points.
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rod367 I agree with all. And though they might not have taught the HO- pacific lived and died by that and high 6 attacks
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What about when a guy breaks from a 1v1? That's when I call them chicken glaze.
Why? Once again it's poor SA if the individual stays in a fight with Low E and ALT. When possible you should break, Assess the situation, regain your E and possibly any alt that you can grab in the process and then enter the fight again.
I didn't know that smart flying meant being chicken... man those WWII guys really got it wrong!
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>why do a few of you think its funny to say alt f4 to any question by a new player.
Because it's funny and everyone is a nOOb 'in the beginning'.
It's a rite of passage, so to speak.
-Surfer
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Well, the Japanese got it right then :aok [/Kamikaze joke] :lol :lol
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:P true; they eventually went the way of the dodo bird.....
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yea surfer I'm tired of noob-dweeb-twit coward-etc.......
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I can't remember what the 'eject' command was back in the old Air Warrior days,
but instead of alt f4 we'd respond with "E E E" or whatever eject was.
Pretty dang funny.
They only did that once...hehe.
-Surfer
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I approach the game with a its me- for me- if your not in my squad, then I'mma Ho you, Pick you, CAAAAMP you, just deal with it and join a squad so you have a wingman.
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4. telling them that spitfire is a dweebs plane is ridiculous. There are no dweeb planes every plane has its good points and its disadvantages.
Ahh. Ya pretty much had me on board 100% until this one. The spit being a dweeb plane is a long standing tradition that preceeds AH :) Actually there's more to it than that, but I just don't feel like getting on the merry-go-round.
Heh, Surfer has my avatar from 2003-2004 :)
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There is no such thing as a 'pick'... period. If you make the choice to engage one on one you cannot 'assume' its safe to ignore everything outside of your little private fight because it never is. 'Dumb' would be assuming it is.
While I totally agree with you, I disagree that there is no "pick"
"Picking" is just short for cherry picking. To reach out and pluck the juicy cherry and leave the leaves and branches.
Basically it's the easiest, most skill-less kinda engagement you can do in AH and still call it combat.
Some P51 comes into a field at 15k and everybody already there is below 5. He continues to make single lame-o passes and zoom back to 15k or out of icon range before coming back. This happened the last time I was in the MA, by the way. He's doing nothing other than looking for the cherry to pick (i.e. he's no interested in doing that pilot "crap", or he'd seriously engage, he just wants the instant gratification of shooting something that's unaware). That's a cherry picker. Doesn't mean the other cons were engaged, he's just looking for the no-skill numbers to pad his "name in lights".
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Why? Once again it's poor SA if the individual stays in a fight with Low E and ALT. When possible you should break, Assess the situation, regain your E and possibly any alt that you can grab in the process and then enter the fight again.
I didn't know that smart flying meant being chicken... man those WWII guys really got it wrong!
How is it bad SA to stay in a 1v1 with low E and alt? What are you talking about? If you run from a 1v1 your are a chicken, how is that disputable? This isnt WWII, they're cartoon planes and you get infinite.
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How is it bad SA to stay in a 1v1 with low E and alt? What are you talking about? If you run from a 1v1 your are a chicken, how is that disputable? This isnt WWII, they're cartoon planes and you get infinite.
Because, there are tactically correct decisions, then there are tactically wrong decisions. Staying in a fight only to get killed might be brave but it's also stupid. To extend to try to regain the advantage in a 1v1 turned into a 2v1 is a tactically sound decision which also improve you chance of survival, which is kindof the POINT.
We have no use for dead pilots, not irl nor ingame. You know why Kamikaze attacks was just a very brief chapter in history? Because they're all frikkin DEAD.
I mean, by all means go ahead and stick to your chivalrious and brave ways, it only means more kills for us who fly tactically correct, and more losses for you.
That is all.
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Because, there are tactically correct decisions, then there are tactically wrong decisions. Staying in a fight only to get killed might be brave but it's also stupid. To extend to try to regain the advantage in a 1v1 turned into a 2v1 is a tactically sound decision which also improve you chance of survival, which is kindof the POINT.
We have no use for dead pilots, not irl nor ingame. You know why Kamikaze attacks was just a very brief chapter in history? Because they're all frikkin DEAD.
I mean, by all means go ahead and stick to your chivalrious and brave ways, it only means more kills for us who fly tactically correct, and more losses for you.
That is all.
I never said anything about 1v1's turning into 2v1's, I said 1v1's. Quit spinning it.
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How is it bad SA to stay in a 1v1 with low E and alt? What are you talking about? If you run from a 1v1 your are a chicken, how is that disputable?
Knowing when to disengage and when to stay is part of the fight. If I'm getting low on fuel and get to the conclusion I won't win the fight very soon, I'm looking for a way to get out & home. Same as when my opponent's buddies arrive and are about to join in.
Some stay because it's fun for them to see how long they last, some because they are not capable of correctly assessing the situation, and some because they thinking going home is being a "chicken". I guess they think of themselves as being particular bold & brave for staying in a cartoon dogfight...
I, for one, am not going to play airquake.
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Is running into a pilot more skilled a reason to disengage?
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Is running into a pilot more skilled a reason to disengage?
The moment I 'm really convinced he's more skilled than me I'm usually dead ;)
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Because, there are tactically correct decisions, then there are tactically wrong decisions. Staying in a fight only to get killed might be brave but it's also stupid. To extend to try to regain the advantage in a 1v1 turned into a 2v1 is a tactically sound decision which also improve you chance of survival, which is kindof the POINT.
We have no use for dead pilots, not irl nor ingame. You know why Kamikaze attacks was just a very brief chapter in history? Because they're all frikkin DEAD.
I mean, by all means go ahead and stick to your chivalrious and brave ways, it only means more kills for us who fly tactically correct, and more losses for you.
That is all.
!!!!reality alert your in a game!!!!
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The moment I 'm really convinced he's more skilled than me I'm usually dead ;)
Heh, well I never said anything about low fuel or whatever but if you engaged with low fuel you should probably see the fight out.
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Heh, well I never said anything about low fuel or whatever but if you engaged with low fuel you should probably see the fight out.
Well sometimes I actually DO disengage, when the fight is turning out to be one sided. of course, at that point it's often no longer possible to disengage at all.
Earlier this week I was cussing at myself for not disengaging from a 1vs1.. I was La-7, enemy was Ki-61. There was one point when I thought "Oh, that's not looking good, what are you doing, Snail?". But I was still optimistic that I could turn it around: "Hey, I'm a good pilot! And I'm flying the mighty Lala". A few moments later I knew I badly misjudged about anything that I could have misjuged. In retrospect, I was really a bit upset I didn't disengage when I had the opportunity, but instead I made a wrong descision.
I am trying to stay alive, that's my style of "realism", pretending to be a pilot ;)
But it's all a delicate balance. Disengage too early too often, and there is survival but rarely success. And frustration & boredom. Disengage too often too late, and it's dying time, which is no success to me either. Getting the right mix, being able to judge when to stay and when to go (and go as late as possible!) is part of the "skills" i'm trying to impove, along with ACM, shooting, etc.
I fly basically the very same "survivalist" style from my day 1 in this game, but with getting more and more experience, I'm disengaging less and less and killing more and more. I'm getting better at judging the situation. I'm able to stay longer, more able to kill my enemy in a fight, I'm willing to "risk" more and fighting from a seemingly disadvantaged position.
But I want to get kills AND I want to get home, which is an integral part of my "mission".
Yes, lot of text and idle talking, but I'm tired and I can't log in to run, err fight ;)
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While I totally agree with you, I disagree that there is no "pick"
That right there is what we call a conundrum. :huh
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There is no such thing as a 'pick'... period.
You're wrong...period.
Sorry you were not consulted in the early 90's when the terminolgy was applied to this type of sim.
cherry-pick (c̸her′ē pik′)
transitive verb, intransitive verb
Informal to select (only what one considers to be best or most desirable, profitable, etc.) from a number of options
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What about when a guy breaks from a 1v1? That's when I call them chicken glaze.
Grizz, let's say that you see you're going to be dead next turn/revolution/whatever because their plane model clearly turns better than yours. Your answer is to continue as is anyways?
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actually, it doesn't take two. '
if your sole intent is to ho me, and i try to maneuver away from it,. regardless if it's successful or not, you ho'd me.
i know what you;re gonna say next....it's a hi angle deflection shot.........wrongo.
Bingo.
I usually try to put my nose high or low when a con comes traight at me to indicate that i wont HO. If he then does not point his plane in the oposite direction (ie slightly up if i go down) to indicate the same i know his intent is to continue the HO and i will then do the same.
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You're wrong...period.
Sorry you were not consulted in the early 90's when the terminolgy was applied to this type of sim.
Well you should have consulted me and I would have set you straight. There are no cherries in Aces High after the first alt-f4 prank their all lemons... :P
Once you leave the tower your a valid target... period. :aok
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Once you leave the tower your a valid target... period. :aok
Nobody said anything about an invalid target. The only invalidation here is you having the nerve to be a late commer to an old community and lecture everyone else that their long standing jargon doesn't exist. You can take your opinion and go pound sand.
It does not matter what either of the pilots think, the definition is killing someone already in a fight.
There ya go. That's all there is to it.
I pick. I almost never hear any complaints about it. Probably for two reasons. It's not my sole method of getting kills, and I know it's an unremarkable low effort method, but I won't pass up the opportunity when it presents itself. So what is it you're doing with your flying that makes you so touchy about it? I have guesses.
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Picking happens all the time every minute. Nothing wrong with picking the enemy of a fellow chesspiece's back or knocking down that plane over there that has poor SA.
I pick or get picked every day. If you dont like it then go to DA with another player and find a quiet field.
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Picking happens all the time every minute. Nothing wrong with picking the enemy of a fellow chesspiece's back or knocking down that plane over there that has poor SA.
I pick or get picked every day. If you dont like it then go to DA with another player and find a quiet field.
Geesh Nilsen, aren't you paying attention? Mr. April 2006 here says there's no such thing ;)
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Grizz, let's say that you see you're going to be dead next turn/revolution/whatever because their plane model clearly turns better than yours. Your answer is to continue as is anyways?
I'd rather try to reverse them then to try to run/stick stir and probably die the same. But if I did have an opportunity to disengage and get enough separation against a plane clearly ready to crush me, I would, you're right. But I wouldn't run, I would extend to set up my next attack. Probably a 15-20 second extension at most.
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Geesh Nilsen, aren't you paying attention? Mr. April 2006 here says there's no such thing ;)
Mr. April 2006 is prolly just warping really bad. In reality he is Mr. February 2009 :)
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Just so you know grind I always ask and usually cover the fight unless I am asked in but my answer to the same question is: If you can kill him go for it.
I don't generally have to share too many kills but I will share! :aok
I do the same Challenge, the thing is most do not, and end up ruining a good fight. If "good fights" were more common in the MA I guess it wouldn't bother me. The HO on the merge, a few turns and they have to "extend" indefinitely until you are engaged in another fight only to come back to pick gets old. And yes I spend a lot time in the DA with people who like to 1v1. Speaking for myself, the only thing in this game that can get my heart pounding, hands sweating and total immersion is a white knuckle 1v1, everything else pales. Thats not to say I won't pork a field, bring the goon, hop in a GV or field gun, fly bombers etc.... If it were not for the posibilty of getting into a "good 1v1 fight" every once in awhile I wouldn't waste my time like I do. hehe
Realism? What realism? I can't think of anything right off hand that is "realistic" in the MA. Please clue me in on this "Realism".
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But if I did have an opportunity to disengage and get enough separation against a plane clearly ready to crush me, I would, you're right. But I wouldn't run, I would extend to set up my next attack. Probably a 15-20 second extension at most.
CC Grizz. I extend out when I see "this isn't going to work" so I can reset the fight and try again. Just wondered if your comment applied to that.
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1. why do a few of you think its funny to say alt f4 to any question by a new player. This game needs new players to grow and help htc build a better platform.
4. telling them that spitfire is a dweebs plane is ridiculous. There are no dweeb planes every plane has its good points and its disadvantages.
First time I read "press alt f4"...I did that..and smiled to myself.
´cause I like to fly the Spit and didn´t know the meaning of "dweeb", I just translated it into German. -> I don`t want to be a dweeb :cry
well, I think all of that what rod367th mentioned is part of a game like AHII. I played NavyField a long time, and same happened over there. Newcomers had a hard time. When reaching lvl 81 (out max 120) I even started to name beginners "noob" as well.
just my 0.02
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"You know why Kamikaze attacks was just a very brief chapter in history? Because they're all frikkin DEAD."
Wrong atomic weapons is why they were so short lived .
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"You know why Kamikaze attacks was just a very brief chapter in history? Because they're all frikkin DEAD."
Wrong atomic weapons is why they were so short lived .
[hijack]
The fireboming we did in Japan killed waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more people than either of the A-Bombs we dropped.
IIRC the death toll for one night of heavy fire bombing was = to or > than either of Hiro. or Naga.
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a cherypick is killing someone that is currently in a fight with an opponent.
simple as that.
has nothing to do with alt. (i've picked from below and above and co-e)
got zip to do with how many nme's are there. (i've picked in a crowded furball and when there were only 3 planes. me, a friendly and one nme plane)
I have even picked someone when I was in a single ar234 and flew by and lit 'em up w/ my tail guns.
(and I fell for the alt/f4 thing once waaaaaaaaaaaaay back in AirWarrior. kicked myself for it 'cause I shoulda known better)
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"The fireboming we did in Japan killed waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more people than either of the A-Bombs we dropped."
Right you are Lute but it was the A-Bombs that ended it . The Japanese had thousands of planes in reserve for the invasion of the home islands , plenty of barely trained pilots as well . I was just pointing out it was not that all the Kamikaze pilots were dead that lead to end of Special Attacks .
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I have no problem with answering questions in MA, but after first few from same person, it becomes obvious he/she needs to get some real understanding of the game and system. We have an excellent TA and help system, so why not point them out. Not only are they good for the game, but they can reduce the 2 weekers that leave out of frustration.
Have Fun, Fly Well
Dashe
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Well if you want to encourage someone to go do some lite reading at the netaces or trainer site, by all means do so. Or if they are asking a load of questions to encourage them to head to the TA, please, feel free. Hey, go one better, follow them over there and answer a few of those questions.
But don't tell him Alt f4. Thats no different than hazing or being a bully. And if you look at yourself way down in that dark scary place you call a soul you'll know I'm right.
Just remember, who that pilot is in 6 months, and how he flys and behaves in the arena is directly tied to how you treat him now.
And how well you teach him.
I won't get into the HO or Cherry pick argument. HO's happen, they happened in real life.
If you don't want to die to them learn how to duck or avoid them. If you want more good fights in the MA then get proactive in teaching people. Just because your not a trainer doesn't mean that you can't help or that the trainers corp won't welcome it.
All we ask is that you treat people with respect, and be very very sure that your giving out correct information.
To avoid future "myth's" being born.
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I truly don't know why it's necessary to justify your tactics to the guy who lost the
fight. It's not enough that you survived and he/she didn't. You have to use the right
aircraft with no recognizable advantage and wait til they are ready.
Not sure about the rest of you, but if I see a shot...I'm gonna take it. About the only
exceprion to the rule is that when I see a bad guy getting pigpiled, I generally look for
something a bit more challenging. If that means I have to live with your disdain, so be it.
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agree with krusty and murdr - a (cherry)pick has nothing to do with the guy being engaged - its just selecting a target based on your own criteria (easiest usually). bouncing a guy who is already engaged I call "clearing your teammate" or "killstealing" depending on who has the advantage :)
alt-f4 is a rite of passage, if you get upset by it you probably dont have enough of "the right stuff." or a sense of humour. plus its funny :lol
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Holmes you misinterpted murdr. A pick is killing a target who is already engaged with a con or cons other than you. That's it. Its a long standing definition that will not be changed simply because some noobs weren't around when it was coined. That said, everybody picks in the ma, everybody does.
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I truly don't know why it's necessary to justify your tactics to the guy who lost the
fight. It's not enough that you survived and he/she didn't. You have to use the right
aircraft with no recognizable advantage and wait til they are ready.
Not sure about the rest of you, but if I see a shot...I'm gonna take it. About the only
exceprion to the rule is that when I see a bad guy getting pigpiled, I generally look for
something a bit more challenging. If that means I have to live with your disdain, so be it.
My sentiment exactly.
The difference between games and real life being that irl people don't come back to whine about it.
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1. why do a few of you think its funny to say alt f4 to any question by a new player. This game needs new players to grow and help htc build a better platform.
This one is so old it surprises me that people still say it, and they even think it is funny. Yeah, maybe it was funny the first 1000 times someone said it.
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But don't tell him Alt f4. Thats no different than hazing or being a bully. And if you look at yourself way down in that dark scary place you call a soul you'll know I'm right.
Just remember, who that pilot is in 6 months, and how he flys and behaves in the arena is directly tied to how you treat him now.
And how well you teach him.
Spot on, Ghosth!
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Well isn't that why the TA and trainers exist? so the new ones dont clog up our text buffer with stupid questions? Theres a wiki page and help files out there that anyone with 1/2 a brain can read and will stop 90% of thier questions....people are just too impatient and won'd do anything for themselves.
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Holmes you misinterpted murdr. A pick is killing a target who is already engaged with a con or cons other than you. That's it. Its a long standing definition that will not be changed simply because some noobs weren't around when it was coined. That said, everybody picks in the ma, everybody does.
murdr used a similar definition to me, which predates computers, let alone AH. some AH players have decided to redefine picking as "an engaged con" which is fine, I'll stick with the original definition :)
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Bingo.
I usually try to put my nose high or low when a con comes traight at me to indicate that i wont HO. If he then does not point his plane in the oposite direction (ie slightly up if i go down) to indicate the same i know his intent is to continue the HO and i will then do the same.
Why don't you just roll out of it and get on his six?
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Some folks get confused as to someone calling out a HO'er and someone whining about them. I will always point out someone hoing for those looking for a good fight. We don't want to waste our time on someone who can't give us a decent fight after all. I have found that those who ho will call it whining trying to cover their embarrassment I guess. In any case it doesn't hurt to let others know so they wont waste their time on him or her.
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Some folks get confused as to someone calling out a HO'er and someone whining about them. I will always point out someone hoing for those looking for a good fight. We don't want to waste our time on someone who can't give us a decent fight after all. I have found that those who ho will call it whining trying to cover their embarrassment I guess. In any case it doesn't hurt to let others know so they wont waste their time on him or her.
That would make sense if you could see who you were going up against....
I look for good fights, someone calling someone a ho'er on 200 isn't going to help me in the slightest.
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While not to say there is no such thing as a "pick", I will say that the person that got "picked" is usually more responsible than the "picker"
Either the "pickee" doesn't have good SA, is disregarding the fact that there could be another con in the area, or is ignoring the warnings or "check 6's" from friendlies in the area and completely comfortable that he can make the quick kill before being drilled himself (I am fully guilty of this at times,)
Just a few terms:
Drag and Bag
Rope a Dope
Speaking for myself, when I am on with squadmates, we are usually flying in schwarms(finger four) and rottes (wingman pairs) (not sure of the German plurals, so take it easy on me, Lusche :) ) The point is driven home to us that teamwork is a very integral part of how we fly. This is the best part of the immersion (for me) in any arena that this game has to offer. Leaving as a group, killing as a group, and returning as a group (although I usually screw-up that last part :D )
If you are behind me and I am flying straight, grabbing for alt, making some ludicrous maneuver that will obviously not allow me to reverse you, flying lazily or appearing not worried about you killing me, etc, there is a 99% chance that I am setting you up for a squaddie. There is only one obvious cure for this and it does not require any specialized training, just the development of a single habit..... when you line up for a shot, LOOK AROUND to see if there is someone doing the same to you before you get fixated.. :aok
Again (speaking for myself, of course) there is really only one thing (with regard to killing a red guy) that is more exhilarating than shooting down a con, and that would be waxing some guy that thinks he is going to kill my wingman. If I go on a sortie and bag 2 or 200 kills, but my wingman didn't make it home, I have not had a successful sortie, and for all intents and purposes, I have failed.
If a guy flies around and only "picks" than he is probably lame, anyhow. I can't see how flying exclusively in that fashion could be entertaining to anyone, anyhow That statement aside, it's not always easy to come in from alt, successfully dispatch the red guy, and subsequently regain your former position without getting yourself into trouble. This obviously does not apply to buffs, as anything short of a efficient hit and fade on bombers (i.e. not saddling up on their six) is usually death with the bombers that we have.
With regard to being a chicken, if I am:
At an E, or other, disadvantage....... I will disengage and try to regain my advantage, especially if I am faster.
Low on fuel, out of ammunition, or damaged to the point where I can no longer fight........ I am going home, and NO I am not going to learn anything else about ACM by sticking around except that the fact that I probably should have left (which I already know)
As far as it being a game? That is obvious. Breaking someone's balls because of how they like to immerse themselves in the game (in whatever fashion be it flying with a squad, building a simpit, or wearing a scarf & goggles when they play) only shows that perhaps you haven't found your own enjoyment in the game.
Yes, it's fantasy, and by that I mean that it is a way to escape reality. I, personally try to make it as immersive as possible, or at least use it as an outlet to to get away from reality. If I get too pissed-off, I usually just log.
(For you Alt-F4 guys............ if it gets you your jollies, I use it a lot when I log) :aok
EDIT: It is officially Schwärme und Rotten (Thanks, Lusche) :salute
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Oh yeah...........
Is it a HO if neither one goes to guns, first pass (or on subsequent passes) ?
If we pass, nose-to-nose but just wave (or flip each other the bird) is it still a HO, or are we just "communicating" ?
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agree with krusty and murdr - a (cherry)pick has nothing to do with the guy being engaged
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? :uhoh
Cherry picking is engaging a plane that's already engaged. It's defined on the trainers site glossery, and on the AHWiki. Geesh
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I think its only a "HO" if its on the INITIAL merge, and both players have a gun solution..
its NOT a ho, if you try to dive under or over, and start doing so way to early and make your path real obvious and the other guy gets a lead shot on you and rakes your face.
also if your in the middle of the fight and for whatever circumstances end up face to face.. so be it..
And I dont consider a "pick" shooting someone engaged.. there is more to it than that...
I consider someone a picker when they sit 5 K above a furball and just amke long BNZ passes on low E engauged cons.. big difference..
if Your flying in a furball and shoot someone who happens to be shooting at someone else.. oh well... what are you supposed to do.. circle around in the swirling mass saying "umm nope, that guys buisy,.. umm so is that one.. umm... nope.. etc etc" pretty absurd.
of course if your hypersensitive and a cry baby and think nobody should mess with you when your trying to kill someone, you have no business being anywhere near a fur ball in the first place., because thats what a furball IS.
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And I dont consider a "pick" shooting someone engaged.. there is more to it than that...
There is nothing more to it than that.
I consider someone a picker when they sit 5 K above a furball and just amke long BNZ passes on low E engauged cons.. big difference..
See?
if Your flying in a furball and shoot someone who happens to be shooting at someone else.. oh well... what are you supposed to do.. circle around in the swirling mass saying "umm nope, that guys buisy,.. umm so is that one.. umm... nope.. etc etc" pretty absurd.
You can do what you want, but I'm going to pick them. Lol. Just because a word is often used in a negative context, doesn't mean it's a no-no. More likely the term/tactic has a negative context because people take it to excess. Yea, the P-51 on his perch who is picking the furball, and that's the extent of his combat tactics is a picker....The first thing I'm going to do when approaching that furball is pick the pickers myself before ending up mixed into the furball.
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lets get back to how many rivets each plane has, who has the best silk scarf and whether they PICK their nose left or right handed.
Where's that picture of the guy beating the dead horse when you need it.
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Cherry picking is engaging a plane that's already engaged. It's defined on the trainers site glossery, and on the AHWiki. Geesh
By this definition every Il2 I shoot is a pick.
My point is that no matter what your definition there cant be any picking in the game unless everyone knows the definition and is in agreement that 'picking' is a bad thing. I understand about good fights which is why I ask before lending assistance. Just because a con 'thinks' he is engaged with one guy and no one would 'pick' him doesnt mean I wont assist my squaddie if asked.
Now if a guy is thinking that the con is busy and it will be an easy kill when he 'picks' then I agree its just that. Otherwise it doesnt fit the definition and since we arent mind readers using that expression on 200 or in a PM is just an excuse for your death.
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It doesn't matter what the pilots think.
It's not my definition. It's been around longer than the 13 years I've been flying online WWII sims.
Are you not reading? Or just ignoring? A "pick" is not some terrible transgression by default. Everyone does it.
Gosh, you guys see a word used in a negative connotation, and assume: It is universaly "wrong" somehow, and then by extention, it needs redefined base on that errent assumption. When really the only issue is that whatever "it" is, is a bad thing when taken to excess.
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The whole 'whining' category, whenever it occurs and whatever the reason, of discussion is based on downed and/or dead pilots objecting to the way he was shot down. In my view, since the person in question was shot down he has no say in the matter. Unless there was a hardware or connectivity issue but that is very rare.
So the whole discussion about 'picks' here and there (as if there is some kind of moral high-ground in this game that people fight over, the idea of a holy land comes to mind) is completely irrelevant. If you want results get in there and GET IT DONE, nothing else will suffice and you can discuss ho's and picks until you drop, it still won't matter.
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Kill, or be killed? That is the question.
Sometimes, I wish it was more realistic, though...............
VonMessa calls employer:
Employer: "Good Morning, can I help you?"
VonMessa: "Yeah boss, it's me, VonMessa. Listen, I don't think I'm going to make it into work today."
Employer: "Is everything O.K. ?"
VonMessa: "Well, you see, I was shot down in AH2, last night, I had to ditch over enemy territory, and it's a long walk to the the closest friendly base"
Employer: "Well get here as soon as you can!"
VonMessa: "Well, that might be a while. Since I had to ditch, and the plane costs a lot, Stampf said I have to wax all the planes in the staffel to make up for the loss"
Employer: :O
VonMessa: "Well, that and I have anal glaucoma"
Employer: :confused:
VonMessa: "I can't see my arse coming to work"
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I do pick :(
Just had the urge to confess.
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Picker :noid
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lets get back to how many rivets each plane has, who has the best silk scarf and whether they PICK their nose left or right handed.
Where's that picture of the guy beating the dead horse when you need it.
(http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo232/wheand85/horse.jpg)
That guy? :)
HOing, picking, all the rest...its part of the game, and nothing you ever say on the forums will change that. Personally, the only HOing that really bothers me is the dora/temp/la7 rinse and repeat type. This is the phenomenon where LA goes to ho my 109/f4, I dive under on the merge to avoid. LA extends out as I immelman to drop in on his 6. LA continues extending out to about 3k, at which point he turns around and continues the same tactic, until finally I need to bait him down into a different fighting style.
I run into guys more often than I'd care to admit that literary do nothing else. Sure its your game, and by all means fly how you want...but doesn't that get stale?
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my apologies Murdr, when you posted:
cherry-pick (c̸her′ē pik′) transitive verb, intransitive verb
Informal to select (only what one considers to be best or most desirable, profitable, etc.) from a number of options
... I naively assumed you agreed with that definition, rather than a different definition, which you didnt either post or link to :rolleyes:
ok, I'm in a decent BnZer at 12k, and see 6x LA7s level at 320ish, and maneuvering because theyve seen me, and 1x P40 on autoclimb at 160ish, all at 8k. I roll in on the P40's six and blow him out of the sky before he even notices me and return to my perch. I'd call that a pick, you wouldn't.
I suspect the only reason the AH definition adds the "engaged con" bit is because BnZ pilots dont like to be called pickers. Personally if I get picked (my defn) its my SA thats the problem, not the guy who used his advantage.
(http://www.lumbergh.aquiss.com/ah/ah_screenies/im_a_picker.gif) :uhoh
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(http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo232/wheand85/horse.jpg)
That guy? :)
genius :rofl
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Yeah I agree with Holmes definition of the 'pick'.
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I suspect the only reason the AH definition adds the "engaged con" bit is because BnZ pilots dont like to be called pickers. Personally if I get picked (my defn) its my SA thats the problem, not the guy who used his advantage.
AH didn't add "engaged con". AW was the grandaddy of this genre of game (HiTech and Pyro were players of it) and picking as it applies to AW/WB/AH has always been attacking a con already engaged. Hence with a 20+ year record of it's use, I'm not (and neither is the OP) willing to conceed some kind of "your definition", "my definition" equivelency. It's no contest, the established convention superceeds.
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I do pick :(
Just had the urge to confess.
Is there a support group I can join?
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Is there a support group I can join?
You're already in it, dumbarse. :lol
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Why the hell aren't I notofied about these things?
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/airplane7.jpg)
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I suspect the only reason the AW/WB/AH definition adds the "engaged con" bit is because BnZ pilots dont like to be called pickers.
ty, fixed :)
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I'd call that a pick,
You'd be wrong.
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my apologies Murdr, when you posted:
... I naively assumed you agreed with that definition, rather than a different definition, which you didnt either post or link to :rolleyes:
ok, I'm in a decent BnZer at 12k, and see 6x LA7s level at 320ish, and maneuvering because theyve seen me, and 1x P40 on autoclimb at 160ish, all at 8k. I roll in on the P40's six and blow him out of the sky before he even notices me and return to my perch. I'd call that a pick, you wouldn't.
I suspect the only reason the AH definition adds the "engaged con" bit is because BnZ pilots dont like to be called pickers. Personally if I get picked (my defn) its my SA thats the problem, not the guy who used his advantage.
(http://www.lumbergh.aquiss.com/ah/ah_screenies/im_a_picker.gif) :uhoh
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And one guy kicks rudder, or noses up or down, and shoots as he passes? HO or not, on initial merge?
wrongway
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Things that strike me about the HO comments and the Pick comments are ill recieved they are.
If you HO someone...and they call you a HO'er.....what else would you be?
Same with Picking....if you pick some one, and they say "nice pick"....well you did pick them.
Most comments are from frustration from the victim...It's a total buzz kill when you're having a good fight...but it is the MA. On the other side, if people are going to get bent out of shape about being being called by what they just did, then mabye they shouldn't do it. If you HO someone, or pick someone, and they say "nice HO/pick" and you did, say thanks and move on. If someone says that is all "you" do, then that is just their experience. If you take offense, don't blame the people who are getting picked and HO'd. In terms of "who is better," there is nothing to be determined, if that is what some worry about. There is no real need to go on about trying to justify these actions, they are what they are. They may be performed for any number of reasons, but at the end of the day, a pick is a pick. Neither takes a whole lot of skill, but HO's have there time and place, and picking is probably the most common acitivity in the MA.
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And one guy kicks rudder, or noses up or down, and shoots as he passes? HO or not, on initial merge?
wrongway
Ballet?
What if I do all of the above, except shoot, and flip you the bird when we pass, instead?
Is it a HO?
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I believe furballing is the most common activity in the MA. Just my opinion of it I'm not trying to change yours, but I see that much more than I see "picking", which is a opportunity kill. However, little skill may be required to pick someone, but it is a free opportunity on a guy who is oblivious to what is going on. So at least you're showing more skill than the guy being picked, because it is very easy to avoid a pick if you see it coming.
Just another €0.02 in.
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All these extra Euros............
Can I have a few?
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ty, fixed :)
Fixed eh? You didn't even know the history of the term in this context, but assume to be knowledgable enough to critique, and eminent enough to invalidate the existing definition. By all means, your free to call a thimble a cherry pick if you wish, but don't presume that everyone else that has been doing this for years has to accept your definition.
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I believe furballing is the most common activity in the MA. Just my opinion of it I'm not trying to change yours, but I see that much more than I see "picking", which is a opportunity kill. However, little skill may be required to pick someone, but it is a free opportunity on a guy who is oblivious to what is going on. So at least you're showing more skill than the guy being picked, because it is very easy to avoid a pick if you see it coming.
Just another €0.02 in.
Well, just going by the definition of "picking" I was assuming that you could get picked in a furball as easily as a mission. Not trying to say it is most common for people to up and look to pick as a primary objective, though certainly people do. For the most part, If someone wants my help during a fight, I'll help them. If I'm at the bottom of a true furball, then I'll just shoot. Just saying, picking is very common, everyone does it, some more than others. SA is a skill, but your ablility to fly your cartoon airplane is also a skill...you need both. It's hard to say if a person who got picked is a less skillful pixel flyer. The pilot may have seen you, just wanted to kill the other...maybe he thought he could get him in time. Maybe many other planes around, missed yours. Maybe one pilot has great SA, but very poor ACM, or vice versa. Also it would have to involve how many planes the "picker" is tracking as well...much easier if 10 friendlies and one bad guy. I'm not trying to influence how people fly, but that people should accept what happened. If you get picked, you get picked. Not much to brag about, and not much to complain about....you (a generic you) just shot someone who didn't see you, or failed to act. Just seems to me very difficult to determine ability from such an encounter, hence many just kind of right them off on both ends.
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When Do i get a different thing then nickel
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What about when a guy breaks from a 1v1? That's when I call them chicken glaze.
What about when the guy who breaks had the advantage? Dadrabit and I had a great 1v1 a few days ago that lasted for maybe 3 minutes in which he never really got a chance to go offensive. Eventually I hit bingo fuel and headed for home. He didn't pursue, so I'm thinking he had gas issues of his own. As soon as I landed (dead stick no less), I made a point of getting out, reviewing the film, and PM'ing him about what a great fight it was. Which one of us was chicken glaze?
Once again Dadrabit, awesome fight. :aok
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Well, just going by the definition of "picking" I was assuming that you could get picked in a furball as easily as a mission.
Absolutely, and thus why I said "everybody picks".
Think about it, as you enter a furball and your SA sorts out the threats, if you are the typical MA guy, your first reaction is probably to: A: engage the plane(s) that seems to be the biggest threat in the area by nature of his energy state(ties may go to a particular plane type you feel is more dangerous), or B: jump the guy who is fast upon the heels of a teammate and about to kill him.
In other words, your first choices probably don't include: C: find another guy who isn't engaged yet. In choices A and B, your effort to make the kill will be picks. There's nothing wrong with this, it's an integral part of the furball dance.
Now, calling someone a picker implies something subtley different. If you call someone a picker you are implying that this person relies solely, or almost solely, on picking to get kills. Because each of us picks as opportunity/prudence allows does not mean we make a "living" at it as some people do.
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Just a general comment not specifically to pluck but triggered by his reply. I'm not so interested in judging people's flying abilities on the boards, I can see that well enough ingame when it matters. Additionally there seems to be considerable misunderstandings about what IS a pick and what is NOT. Again, it doesn't really matter and where does it lead to argue about the definition of... yeah, of what exactly? :D There are maneuvers, there is SA, there are also planes to choose from and different weapons to use. Putting people into categories after percieved skill or playstyle is not something I do. I'm more inclined to put them into categories after how they behave themselves ingame and on the boards. That tells a lot more about a person's 'skill' than to pick or not to pick in a game.
People who shoot me down in a display of skill earn my deep respect. Likewise people who show me respect get it in return, regardless of skill level. If I get shot down because I made a mistake I will be disappointed with myself and that doesn't score my opponent any points in my book. From what I can see, some people just have a strange view of what exactly is 'screwing up' on their part.
Another €0.02 in :)
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There is nothing more to it than that.
so if you see a buddy trying to RTB with a smoking engine, missing aleron, no rudder, and a goat turd smeared across the canopy, and a LA7 comes in after him.. and he askes for help, your a "picker tard" or such for attacking the LA7,,
oh yea, and I guess anyone who defends bombers is a picker too..'
Buff driver: hey, ive got a A8 comin in, need a little help,
You: well it looks like hes committed, so I cant shoot at him.. sorry.
Ill admit both circumstances are absurd and not what we are talking about.. but thats what you open your self up to when you say " picking is any time you attack a con who is already engaged, period" paint with a big brush, get drips.
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but thats what you open your self up to when you say " picking is any time you attack a con who is already engaged, period" paint with a big brush, get drips.
That's the definition, always has been. As has been said repeatedly, everybody picks now and then.
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Just a general comment not specifically to pluck but triggered by his reply. I'm not so interested in judging people's flying abilities on the boards, I can see that well enough ingame when it matters. Additionally there seems to be considerable misunderstandings about what IS a pick and what is NOT. Again, it doesn't really matter and where does it lead to argue about the definition of... yeah, of what exactly? :D There are maneuvers, there is SA, there are also planes to choose from and different weapons to use. Putting people into categories after percieved skill or playstyle is not something I do. I'm more inclined to put them into categories after how they behave themselves ingame and on the boards. That tells a lot more about a person's 'skill' than to pick or not to pick in a game.
People who shoot me down in a display of skill earn my deep respect. Likewise people who show me respect get it in return, regardless of skill level. If I get shot down because I made a mistake I will be disappointed with myself and that doesn't score my opponent any points in my book. From what I can see, some people just have a strange view of what exactly is 'screwing up' on their part.
Another €0.02 in :)
I've enjoyed our conversation and that I agree with what you are saying, especially about in-game behavior.
I wasn't trying to attach "rightness," "wrongness," or any form of skill level to picker or pickee, as it relates to both parties...just that it is hard to tell. Personally, getting picked usually doesn't bother me much, I can accept it is my fault, not the guy trying to shoot me. We all have our styles and different ways in which we approach the game. I think definitions are a bit of an issue....I've been called a HO-tard for shooting someone from dead six :D, and I'm sure more than a few arguments have ensued on 200. I was hoping my posts weren't focusing too much on the idea of skill, I was trying to detatch it from the picking equation...as you can be a skilled cartoon airplane warrior and pick a plane. In the larger picture, keeping yourself alive in a sea of red not always an easy task, whether a goal or not. In the end having some good fights and fun with friends/arena is by far more important than anything else.
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so if you see a buddy trying to RTB with a smoking engine, missing aleron, no rudder, and a goat turd smeared across the canopy, and a LA7 comes in after him.. and he askes for help, your a "picker tard" or such for attacking the LA7,,
oh yea, and I guess anyone who defends bombers is a picker too..'
Buff driver: hey, ive got a A8 comin in, need a little help,
You: well it looks like hes committed, so I cant shoot at him.. sorry.
Ill admit both circumstances are absurd and not what we are talking about.. but thats what you open your self up to when you say " picking is any time you attack a con who is already engaged, period" paint with a big brush, get drips.
From the rest of the post you quoted...
Gosh, you guys see a word used in a negative connotation, and assume: It is universaly "wrong" somehow, and then by extention, it needs redefined base on that errent assumption. When really the only issue is that whatever "it" is, is a bad thing when taken to excess.
Since you seemed to completely miss that point.
What the heck is with you guys that have been around a couple of years, and can't seem to pick up some very basic jargon that's been around for over a decade?
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@VonMessa, Spot on mate!
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What the heck is with you guys that have been around a couple of years, and can't seem to pick up some very basic jargon that's been around for over a decade?
People don't like to be taught a lesson. Good thing I'm not a teacher!
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ok, so mow suddenly "picking" as its called, or being "a picker" is not a "bad thing" ok sure.. Im sure it never carries a negative connotation :uhoh
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"There are two things that are infinite. The universe and human stupidity, and I'm not so sure about the first one."
- Albert Einstein
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>SNIP> 3. telling them to leave to go training or calling them squeakers. instead of just letting others help them shows at least me i want them in the game more than i would like u in the game
4. telling them that spitfire is a dweebs plane is ridiculous. There are no dweeb planes every plane has its good points and its disadvantages. >/SNIP>
We would all like you to go to the TA with him if you want to clog the text buffer with your explainations on how to do basic things to someone who wont read the help files.
Spitfires are really easy planes to fly and new folks can get a lot of confidence in such a forgiving plane that does not require as much experience to get a kill.
Shuffler as soon as a new player says "Can someone help me" before you can type what is problem 4 or 5 guys typing alt f4 or go read #$%% help file noob. so first impression of game to new players is to act this way. This is there first impression of the game, and the cycle continues on. When its not hard to just squelch them and guy willing to help. easy just to squelch the newplayer and guy helping by clicking on roster. Is this way to hard for you?
Same thing about 200 it shows worst side of the player base. mostly those complaining about what i posted about are taking up 200 showing new players worst impression of US.
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Sounds like your tired of defending yourself from all of the above. :lol
But I agree with you on all but the first.
no justification just unreal how you go away for 6 months or more. Come back same old crap on 200. same ignorance of the game. Tell someone its noe is 499ft or less have 10 guys swearing on thier mothers live its 200 or less. you tell them how to see arena setting s they call u idiot for 15 mins. or you try to help a newplayter 5 guys thinking alf f4 funny. as u see some admit in this topic they think its okay right of passage. when if you really cared about future of this game you would help new players or atleast stay quiet.
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ok, so mow suddenly "picking" as its called, or being "a picker" is not a "bad thing" ok sure.. Im sure it never carries a negative connotation :uhoh
It never has been a bad thing, except when it is the ONLY way you can get kills. Why would it be that way? Because about the only way to get easier kills is to find the mutha lode of dweeb trying to take off with the field ack down. BTW, generally speaking, anyone complaining about being cherry picked is really saying that they were flying like a cherry. So...who should be insulted...the picker...or the pickee? :D
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It never has been a bad thing, except when it is the ONLY way you can get kills. Why would it be that way? Because about the only way to get easier kills is to find the mutha lode of dweeb trying to take off with the field ack down. BTW, generally speaking, anyone complaining about being cherry picked is really saying that they were flying like a cherry. So...who should be insulted...the picker...or the pickee? :D
:rofl
mmmmmmm cherries
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:rofl
mmmmmmm cherries
Yeah....if someone flies like a cherry...make pie out of 'em!! :devil
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mmmmmmmm
cherry pie
Bobbie Brown (I miss hair band videos but I don't miss Warrant)
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What about when a guy breaks from a 1v1? That's when I call them chicken glaze.
:aok
Or the more polite way,,, your very timid....
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I still argue the point that just because you "can" does not mean you "should"..... Out of respect for someone allready engaged.1v1. Just ask first. Most guys that spend the time to find a 1v1 dont want the other guy cherrie picked even if there loossing the fight...
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Well, most guys that spend time looking for a 1vs1 should really go to the DA, it's what it's there for. Why disrupt gameplay in the MA with your little bubble of a 1vs1? As if that wasn't enough, you have also the nerve to complain about someone else busting in on your fight?
Sorry but, it doesn't make sense, at all. Period, end of story.
Next time, people who want to duel, do log in to the Dueling Arena instead.
TY
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Well, most guys that spend time looking for a 1vs1 should really go to the DA, it's what it's there for. Why disrupt gameplay in the MA with your little bubble of a 1vs1? As if that wasn't enough, you have also the nerve to complain about someone else busting in on your fight?
Sorry but, it doesn't make sense, at all. Period, end of story.
Next time, people who want to duel, do log in to the Dueling Arena instead.
TY
IMHO you are both right and wrong. A person who gets his 1v1 busted really shouldn't complain. OTOH, I think it's only good manners to ask a person who is in a 1v1 if you can join.
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OTOH, I think it's only good manners to ask a person who is in a 1v1 if you can join.
Good manners? :lol
In the DA? YES
In the MA? NO
Why? Because the DA is there for just that purpose. (doh!) The MA is there to pit players against eachother on a grand scale of war. So if I shoot down a bandit who's on my buddy's six... I just saved him from being shot down. Then some idiots have the nerve to complain about it. Well I have news to you... you are in the WRONG arena.
Why do people refuse to understand this very simple principle and facts of AH arenas?
Well, I see two possible answers to that question. a) They are stupid. b) They like to f**k with people.
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So when I explicitely ask you to stay out of my little 1v1 because it's a very intense fight and maybe I do even think I can win this ... am I stupid?
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Well, first of all you ARE in the wrong arena for a 1v1 fight. On the other hand if you ask someone to stay out of the fight that's a different matter. First of all you actually have the SA to know someone else is around. Secondly you ask someone specifically to stay out of it. However you can never expect to log on to a MA, go looking for a nice little 1v1 fight and EXPECT other players to stay out of it.
I'd stay out if you asked me to. Very simple. However I do not believe it to be required of me to ask you whether or not to shoot down the guy you are fighting, it's not my responsibility because you are in the wrong arena for a 1v1.
What I mean is, if you are having a nice 1v1 fight it's your responsibility to tell others to stay out of it. I have found myself in that situation numerous times and if I really want to shoot down that guy I tell others to stay out, and it works. Just because you're in your own little bubble of a 1v1 doesn't mean you can flush your SA goodbye.
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Good manners? :lol
In the DA? YES
In the MA? NO
Why? Because the DA is there for just that purpose. (doh!) The MA is there to pit players against eachother on a grand scale of war. So if I shoot down a bandit who's on my buddy's six... I just saved him from being shot down. Then some idiots have the nerve to complain about it. Well I have news to you... you are in the WRONG arena.
Here's the funny thing. I'll invest minutes into coaxing the E advantage out of a bad guy that everyone else in the area is trying to avoid like the plague. After putting all that effort in and getting the tables turned, players with your attitude are more than happy to come swarming in and leech of of someone elses effort. Then you have the nerve to bark at other players to leave the arena for pointing out your attitude that lacks common courtesy towards other players.
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I still argue the point that just because you "can" does not mean you "should"..... Out of respect for someone allready engaged.1v1. Just ask first. Most guys that spend the time to find a 1v1 dont want the other guy cherrie picked even if there loossing the fight...
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i always ask before i enter into a fight already in progress. i generally expect the same, and if i see a friendly coming in, i will ask him on local vox to stay out.
i don't care win or lose, as long as the fight's fun. if i'm gonna hafta curse about something, i want it to be about you beating me, not the guy that just picked one of us.
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Here's the funny thing. I'll invest minutes into coaxing the E advantage out of a bad guy that everyone else in the area is trying to avoid like the plague. After putting all that effort in and getting the tables turned, players with your attitude are more than happy to come swarming in and leech of of someone elses effort. Then you have the nerve to bark at other players to leave the arena for pointing out your attitude that lacks common courtesy towards other players.
well, that's because you fly the p38. you know as well asi do that you're in the inferior cartoon airplane, and you NEED them to clear your 12....... :noid :aok :D
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Here's the funny thing. I'll invest minutes into coaxing the E advantage out of a bad guy that everyone else in the area is trying to avoid like the plague. After putting all that effort in and getting the tables turned, players with your attitude are more than happy to come swarming in and leech of of someone elses effort. Then you have the nerve to bark at other players to leave the arena for pointing out your attitude that lacks common courtesy towards other players.
Good lord, man, you clearly have no concept of the grand scale of war. What in the world do you think the MA is for? Sport? Fun and games? How laughable.
- oldman (Possibly you're merely stupid, I suppose....)
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Here's the funny thing. I'll invest minutes into coaxing the E advantage out of a bad guy that everyone else in the area is trying to avoid like the plague. After putting all that effort in and getting the tables turned, players with your attitude are more than happy to come swarming in and leech of of someone elses effort. Then you have the nerve to bark at other players to leave the arena for pointing out your attitude that lacks common courtesy towards other players.
There is no I in TEAM.
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Good manners? :lol
In the DA? YES
In the MA? NO
Why? Because the DA is there for just that purpose. (doh!) The MA is there to pit players against eachother on a grand scale of war. So if I shoot down a bandit who's on my buddy's six... I just saved him from being shot down. Then some idiots have the nerve to complain about it. Well I have news to you... you are in the WRONG arena.
Why do people refuse to understand this very simple principle and facts of AH arenas?
Your facts are wrong. It's pretty much always been this way in the MA's. Quakers like you were brought up without any sense of this. That's your problem not mine. If you want to ba a jerk and bust a 1v1 without asking fine but it is only polite to inquire first. It's just plain rude to pick a guy whom your teammate may have just spent a good 3 or 4 minutes to get a good gun solution on. Your ilk have little concept of consideration and manners, however.
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I cannot understand why consideration towards others is rediculed.
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There is no I in TEAM.
You don't really think what Murdr descibes is being treamplay in an way?
Here's the funny thing. I'll invest minutes into coaxing the E advantage out of a bad guy that everyone else in the area is trying to avoid like the plague. After putting all that effort in and getting the tables turned, players with your attitude are more than happy to come swarming in and leech of of someone elses effort.
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Your facts are wrong. It's pretty much always been this way in the MA's. Quakers like you were brought up without any sense of this. That's your problem not mine. If you want to ba a jerk and bust a 1v1 without asking fine but it is only polite to inquire first. It's just plain rude to pick a guy whom your teammate may have just spent a good 3 or 4 minutes to get a good gun solution on. Your ilk have little concept of consideration and manners, however.
ACTUALLY,
one thing i will, and do make a point of.......if someone busts up a fight i'm having, i will not ever help them when they ask...and they ALWAYS ask for help eventually. i simply fly by, and may or may not on open channel tell the bogie that i'm staying out.
sounds messed up i know, but if the guy can't show me a common courtesey, then all i can do is return his favor in kind. :D
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You don't really think what Murdr descibes is being treamplay in an way?
there ya go trying to be reasonable, and use common sense again. :D
be quiet and drink your brawndo. it has electrolytes. :D
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Typically when I see a 1v1 it's a friendly in a defensive fight down low. I always like to be smart about my flying in order to survive so more often than not I'll be on top of this fight flying in another direction but observing the fight. If the guy is in trouble, I'll go in and help him out but many times I tell the guy I'm on the way. Usually I get no reply because (I'm assuming) he has no mic. So I come in help him out and he's a happy guy returning to base.
Or, I keep flying to find a good fight since the guy in the little fight down there finished off his opponent.
THAT is what usually happens in my experience. The guys who get mad for recieving help, not having the SA to see I'm around in the first place, are just idiots imo.
It has happened that the friendly ask me to stay out of it in which case I do.
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ACTUALLY,
one thing i will, and do make a point of.......if someone busts up a fight i'm having, i will not ever help them when they ask...and they ALWAYS ask for help eventually. i simply fly by, and may or may not on open channel tell the bogie that i'm staying out.
sounds messed up i know, but if the guy can't show me a common courtesey, then all i can do is return his favor in kind. :D
Now that is just being an a-hole.
If someone is asking for help I always do if the tactical situation allow me to. Meaning that if it doesn't mean certain death to me I will.
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I gotta go shoot something, read this later
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There is no I in TEAM.
Hmm, I don't see anyone demanding that all fights in the MA be 1v1. I do see some folks asking for a little common courtesy. BTW, anyone that thinks that courtesy only applies in the DA....needs to buy the new WHAMMO Clue Rake...only $59.95 at www.imadummy.com (say "HI" to Steeph when you get there :))!!!
BTW, you are correct..there isn't an "I" in team. However, there is one in stupId!! :rolleyes:
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Now that is just being an a-hole.
If someone is asking for help I always do if the tactical situation allow me to. Meaning that if it doesn't mean certain death to me I will.
YES, IT IS......
but then so was the guy that busted up my fight,.........especially if i asked him to stay out, which i usually do.
ya get what ya give. treat me with respect, ya get it back. eff up my fun, and you're screwed. :aok :D
i can think of a good way to simplify this.
you expect me to come help you, when asked, if i'd been working a con for a bit, then you swoop in and take the kill.
if you walked into my shop, and whacked me in the face, would you expect anything other than to wake up in the hospital tomorrow? like a greting with a smile?
see the point?
:aok
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Well, most guys that spend time looking for a 1vs1 should really go to the DA, it's what it's there for. Why disrupt gameplay in the MA with your little bubble of a 1vs1? As if that wasn't enough, you have also the nerve to complain about someone else busting in on your fight?
Sorry but, it doesn't make sense, at all. Period, end of story.
Next time, people who want to duel, do log in to the Dueling Arena instead.
TY
Interesting.... so you just go for any kill for a kill. You interrupt game play by inyterrupting their fun in a 1 vs 1 to get a kill you did not earn?? Don't see how that can be fun. There are plenty of planes to go around... that is if your looking for a fight. On the other hand if your just looking for a kill and to interfere with other's game play I guess you have that down pat.
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Interesting.... so you just go for any kill for a kill. You interrupt game play by inyterrupting their fun in a 1 vs 1 to get a kill you did not earn?? Don't see how that can be fun. There are plenty of planes to go around... that is if your looking for a fight. On the other hand if your just looking for a kill and to interfere with other's game play I guess you have that down pat.
That is the logic of someone wanting a fight.
You clearly have not read all of my posts, or do not understand what I'm saying.
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Just to state my opinion (and yes, I know which bodily orifice that opinions are compared to)..........
Flying in the MA, and expecting a 1v1 is almost fantasy. It almost never happens. Someone will usually jump right in, regardless of a request not to, and usually without saying a damn thing. It could be my own fault for not being faster a killing, but I like to set up a nice shot before I pull the trigger so as to not waste ammo, but that's me
Yes, it would be nice, but again, I don't expect it. I find that if I expect all of the "taboo" behavior, I am more pleasantly surprised when it DOESN'T happen, as opposed to getting pissed if it does.
Just as an example: It has been quite a while since I have been "picked" by surprise, because I am always looking around, and if there is another plane who is in a position to pick me while I am engaged, I will not fixate on the target in front of me.
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Just to state my opinion (and yes, I know which bodily orifice that opinions are compared to)..........
Flying in the MA, and expecting a 1v1 is almost fantasy. It almost never happens. Someone will usually jump right in, regardless of a request not to, and usually without saying a damn thing. It could be my own fault for not being faster a killing, but I like to set up a nice shot before I pull the trigger so as to not waste ammo, but that's me
Yes, it would be nice, but again, I don't expect it. I find that if I expect all of the "taboo" behavior, I am more pleasantly surprised when it DOESN'T happen, as opposed to getting pissed if it does.
Just as an example: It has been quite a while since I have been "picked" by surprise, because I am always looking around, and if there is another plane who is in a position to pick me while I am engaged, I will not fixate on the target in front of me.
what i try to do if i really want a 1-1 is to talk to the guy, and go to a non-populated part of the map. this works pretty well actually
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Flying in the MA, and expecting a 1v1 is almost fantasy. It almost never happens.
Which explains why some folks get annoyed with people that cherry pick their fight.
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I can't remember what the 'eject' command was back in the old Air Warrior days,
but instead of alt f4 we'd respond with "E E E" or whatever eject was.
Pretty dang funny.
They only did that once...hehe.
-Surfer
That was "Esc-P for more power." And it always worked. You'd see the same guys who got burned by it using it on the next poor noob as soon as they could too, pretty funny. But you only ejected, it didn't knock you out of the game.
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That is the logic of someone wanting a fight.
You clearly have not read all of my posts, or do not understand what I'm saying.
Sorry did not read your other posts. By what your saying I take it that they vary greatly from the one I read then. There are quite a few that do interrupt game play by constantly picking when asked not to. I just chalk them up to the inexperienced not interested in learning their plane.
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Sorry did not read your other posts. By what your saying I take it that they vary greatly from the one I read then. There are quite a few that do interrupt game play by constantly picking when asked not to. I just chalk them up to the inexperienced not interested in learning their plane.
Yeah, or just ignorant and/or arrogant people. You can find them most anywhere especially on the internet these days.
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what i try to do if i really want a 1-1 is to talk to the guy, and go to a non-populated part of the map. this works pretty well actually
But not flying to the biggest melee on the map and expecting a private duel, right?
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If I see a countryman in trouble, I will dive in to swat the con off his six, I mostly ask him/her if they need a hand prior though. If they tell me to stay out I'll do that too, ...if they dont respond I auto dive,,(figure he's too busy). Heres a true story.....enemy cat in a 110 diving from 14k.....buddy low on my 10 o'clock,... I say "yo buddy low on my 10 o'clock, guess who's comming in his 110 from 15k?.....I say if ya need a hand lemmie know.....1 minute later, "Klink I need a hand...I go and smoke the 110 most riki tik,.....and the enemy has the gall to chew my butt out over helping my countryman.......please,...... :rock
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If I see a countryman in trouble, I will dive in to swat the con off his six, I mostly ask him/her if they need a hand prior though. If they tell me to stay out I'll do that too, ...if they dont respond I auto dive,,(figure he's too busy). Heres a true story.....enemy cat in a 110 diving from 14k.....buddy low on my 10 o'clock,... I say "yo buddy low on my 10 o'clock, guess who's comming in his 110 from 15k?.....I say if ya need a hand lemmie know.....1 minute later, "Klink I need a hand...I go and smoke the 110 most riki tik,.....and the enemy has the gall to chew my butt out over helping my countryman.......please,...... :rock
Some people are just plain idiots, and then we have a select few who get banned as a paying customer. La créme de la créme. Top notch! :aok
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If I see a countryman in trouble, I will dive in to swat the con off his six, I mostly ask him/her if they need a hand prior though. If they tell me to stay out I'll do that too, ...if they dont respond I auto dive,,(figure he's too busy). Heres a true story.....enemy cat in a 110 diving from 14k.....buddy low on my 10 o'clock,... I say "yo buddy low on my 10 o'clock, guess who's comming in his 110 from 15k?.....I say if ya need a hand lemmie know.....1 minute later, "Klink I need a hand...I go and smoke the 110 most riki tik,.....and the enemy has the gall to chew my butt out over helping my countryman.......please,...... :rock
If your ally asked for help then the guy you picked whines at you, just defer blame to the ally who asked for help.
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Whacking a set of buffs, seeing them in flames and about to go down, only to see someone inb on them at ramming speed to finish them off can get a tad annoying..
I can understand shufflers view also, you spend time working a con for guns and along comes the horde army doing 425 knts to pick then fly back up into the stratosphere.
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If your ally asked for help then the guy you picked whines at you, just defer blame to the ally who asked for help.
Yup. Generally if I get a call for help I'll just buzz the bandit so that he breaks off chasing the guy on my side. Then I fly on, figuring that my guy got a break and a chance to turn things around.
- oldman
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Yup. Generally if I get a call for help I'll just buzz the bandit so that he breaks off chasing the guy on my side. Then I fly on, figuring that my guy got a break and a chance to turn things around.
- oldman
Ya this is similar to running a guy down for a teammate. I do this. You know, tell your teammate you'll "turn him"; force the bad guy to evade but not pull the trigger so your trailing teammate can finish what he started.
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Ya this is similar to running a guy down for a teammate. I do this. You know, tell your teammate you'll "turn him"; force the bad guy to evade but not pull the trigger so your trailing teammate can finish what he started.
Right! That's why we have 30 cals. :)
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I do that too Steve but sometimes I 'encourage' them to turn and they die. :D What can you do? :lol
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I love it when someone panic and go into the ground. Makes me laugh every time. :D
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But not flying to the biggest melee on the map and expecting a private duel, right?
correct.
i still ask, even if i see a fight going on near a base, or a furball, and to be honest, i expect the same.
when i'm actually in the furball, then all bets are off.
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It has always been drilled into me.
"Work from the top down"
A furball is where I see most of the whines about being picked.
As you said, all bets are off in a furball.
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I'll invest minutes into coaxing the E advantage out of a bad guy that everyone else in the area is trying to avoid like the plague. After putting all that effort in and getting the tables turned, players are more than happy to come swarming in and leech of of someone elses effort.
agreed, do all the hard work with the E-advantaged con(s) only for the 6 friendlys ganging 1 con on the deck to nick the kill. all that time I'm also preventing those friendlys from being picked by the high cons. Its about the only thing which pisses me off enough to swap to the other front :furious
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agreed, do all the hard work with the E-advantaged con(s) only for the 6 friendlys ganging 1 con on the deck to nick the kill. all that time I'm also preventing those friendlys from being picked by the high cons. Its about the only thing which pisses me off enough to swap to the other front :furious
Best way to avoid that is to surround you with good people to fly with.
However it's unavoidable to be on by yourself at times, especially if you're on euro time like me, but there's always some friends to be found on your team.
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Best way to avoid that is to surround you with good people to fly with.
However it's unavoidable to be on by yourself at times, especially if you're on euro time like me, but there's always some friends to be found on your team.
I'll take that as a compliment, Hauptman Türner
(I think) :noid
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There is no I in TEAM.
Good point, as long as you realize there's no "we" or "us" in team either...
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agreed, do all the hard work with the E-advantaged con(s) only for the 6 friendlys ganging 1 con on the deck to nick the kill. all that time I'm also preventing those friendlys from being picked by the high cons. Its about the only thing which pisses me off enough to swap to the other front :furious
I've been enjoying some success lately from breaking off if things get too low near a swarm (or ack). I'll act like I lose interest, allow him to have my six, and "run" out to one side of the fight out of icon range of the others. This seems to help keep them from getting too low and getting swarmed.
The disturbing thing is that overall the SA seems to be getting better. This is leading to my opponent realizing that he's being seperated from the flock. There seems to be a growing trend of being fearful of fighting a single con without 4-5 buddies for support. They used to seem oblivious to being seperated, now they seem to know/fear it.
I'm also finding that if I have trouble with friendlies jumping in my fights, it works well to allow the friendlies to get killed, instead of protecting them and giving them check sixes. Not that I stop giving check sixes, or aiding friendlies, just that I get more selective.
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Good point, as long as you realize there's no "we" or "us" in team either...
Well now it become somewhat fuzzy here. My team is my squad, the squad help the overall effort of the side we are flying for, knights. Sometimes we go out and do something on our own, sometimes we help in a concentrated effort a specific area and yet sometimes we disperse all over the map. So yes, I agree with what you say but if I am to choose between sore random knight and a guy in my squad, the answer is kinda obvious.
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This is leading to my opponent realizing that he's being seperated from the flock. There seems to be a growing trend of being fearful of fighting a single con without 4-5 buddies for support. They used to seem oblivious to being seperated, now they seem to know/fear it.
Agree. Its interesting how they adapt isn't it?
A study in virtual Darwinism.
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Well now it become somewhat fuzzy here. My team is my squad, the squad help the overall effort of the side we are flying for, knights. Sometimes we go out and do something on our own, sometimes we help in a concentrated effort a specific area and yet sometimes we disperse all over the map. So yes, I agree with what you say but if I am to choose between sore random knight and a guy in my squad, the answer is kinda obvious.
Hehe, I was just messin' with you on that. Although, a team is made up of a bunch of "I"s, isn't it?
Not sure who/what the "sore random knight" reference is. I suspect (but could be wrong) you mean me? If so-
A- I'm not a Knight (or Bishop, or Rook). I generally check roster numbers the instant I log in, and switch to the low # side. I may not stay on that low # team if I can't find decent fights though. I often change teams several times per evening. I'll switch on other whims as well. It really isn't fun for me to play on a team that's "dominating", although I prefer to "win" as an individual. I may "appear" to fly for one team, or avoid another. That's happenstance.
B- I'm not sore. I'd have to classify myself as basically neutral emotionally. I do see the situation deteriorating game-wise, which I think could and will lead to bad things for a game I enjoy. From that aspect I think the horde mentality is a saddening facet of the current state of the game. I don't see an end to it short of HTC revamping the overall game-play environment. Limiting squad size, arena #'s, ENY, etc are good attempts, but aren't fixing the issues. The best idea I've heard so far is the zone-ENY idea. Maybe it won't work either. Might be worth a try though.
In a war, steamrolling the enemy is a great option. In a game it's not. Especially when you realize your opponents are actually your friends, and that your fun is directly related to their fun. Steamrolling your friendly opponents leads to having no opponents eventually, at which point you may as well go play Solitaire or an AI game. Good game-play depends on respect for your teammates and opponents, on a relatively level playing field. Hording and ganging displays disrespect for fellow players, and "un-levels" the field. Swarming in on a friendlies fight shows lack of respect for your teammates. IMO, game-play and overall enjoyment would improve if the horders and gangers picked up their decks of cards sooner rather than later. AH is a game with a WWII flavor, it's not a war. If it was a war, we'd all want it to end. As a game, we want it to continue, so should take action to ensure that it will.
Belittleing players and non good-natured slamming on chnl 200 also shows a lack of respect for your opponents/teammates/fellow players.
As an individual, I don't really care too much about the horde. I see it as an "overall" game-hurting problem, but less of an individual (me) problem. I don't have too much difficulty working around it, and getting plenty of kills at the "edges" of the hordes. My mentality is such that I truly don't care who owns which base, unless I want to land or rearm. The taking of bases doesn't affect me. But the manner in which the other players around me handle themselves affects the game as a whole, and therefore me as well.
33Vortex- I really don't know you, or what squad you fly for, or how you play the game. Don't take those "you's" above as directed at "you" in particular.
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Well MtnMan your post is certainly not harsh in any way, makes for a good discussion.
The 'sore random knight' should be 'some random knight', typo. ;)
Anyway, I think the steamrolling, when it happens, is in a way exciting. Sure it can be disheartening to see your side lose territory fast, but that's when you need to realize that you are playing a game. We have endless wars to fight, does it matter if we lose one? It is bound to happen after all. The same applies to the more personally connected virtual airframe you're placing your ego in. ;) One lost? Gained another.
The hordes and steamrolling are fun imo, generally I avoid areas of a high concentration of friendlies. There tends to be less targets around in those places. Instead I seek out the more challenging opposite conditions of a high area concentration of enemies, because I know it will be a challenge. That is what I look for, and find most times, in this game.
So I really wouldn't want to change anything. Except add a bunch of improvements to the game but that's a whole different deal now isn't it. :D
The whining however would be nice if it could just go away. People complain too much.
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The 'sore random knight' should be 'some random knight', typo. ;)
Swedes... :noid
:D
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Sure it can be disheartening to see your side lose territory fast,
I imagine very few people care at all. Certainly no-one I fly with.
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I imagine very few people care at all. Certainly no-one I fly with.
KNOW WHAT THE GREAT THING ABOUT SEEING any side losing territory fast is?
there's always a good fight to be had nearby.
oo...steve,,,,,,i'm at work right now......got called into my night job, so it's gon a be about 1130 est or so before i get home, to try more on that virus.
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Swedes... :noid
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oi, we'll gang up on you.. all 2 of us!!