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Offline grizz441

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Re: too many repeat urbanlegand crap and belittle new players.
« Reply #45 on: February 02, 2009, 02:34:01 AM »
The moment I 'm really convinced he's more skilled than me I'm usually dead ;)

Heh, well I never said anything about low fuel or whatever but if you engaged with low fuel you should probably see the fight out.

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Re: too many repeat urbanlegand crap and belittle new players.
« Reply #46 on: February 02, 2009, 02:50:26 AM »
Heh, well I never said anything about low fuel or whatever but if you engaged with low fuel you should probably see the fight out.

Well sometimes I actually DO disengage, when the fight is turning out to be one sided. of course, at that point it's often no longer possible to disengage at all.

Earlier this week I was cussing at myself for not disengaging from a 1vs1.. I was La-7, enemy was Ki-61. There was one point when I thought "Oh, that's not looking good, what are you doing, Snail?". But I was still optimistic that I could turn it around: "Hey, I'm a good pilot! And I'm flying the mighty Lala". A few moments later I knew I badly misjudged about anything that I could have misjuged. In retrospect, I was really a bit upset I didn't disengage when I had the opportunity, but instead I made a wrong descision.

I am trying to stay alive, that's my style of "realism", pretending to be a pilot ;)
But it's all a delicate balance. Disengage too early too often, and there is survival but rarely success. And frustration & boredom. Disengage too often too late, and it's dying time, which is no success to me either. Getting the right mix, being able to judge when to stay and when to go (and go as late as possible!) is part of the "skills" i'm trying to impove, along with ACM, shooting, etc.

I fly basically the very same "survivalist" style from my day 1 in this game, but with getting more and more experience, I'm disengaging less and less and killing more and more. I'm getting better at judging the situation. I'm able to stay longer, more able to kill my enemy in a fight, I'm willing to "risk" more and fighting from a seemingly disadvantaged position.
But I want to get kills AND I want to get home, which is an integral part of my "mission".




Yes, lot of text and idle talking, but I'm tired and I can't log in to run, err fight ;)
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Re: too many repeat urbanlegand crap and belittle new players.
« Reply #47 on: February 02, 2009, 02:56:59 AM »
While I totally agree with you, I disagree that there is no "pick"

That right there is what we call a conundrum.   :huh
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Re: too many repeat urbanlegand crap and belittle new players.
« Reply #48 on: February 02, 2009, 03:07:35 AM »
There is no such thing as a 'pick'... period.

You're wrong...period. 
Sorry you were not consulted in the early 90's when the terminolgy was applied to this type of sim.

cherry-pick (c̸her′ē pik′)

transitive verb, intransitive verb

Informal to select (only what one considers to be best or most desirable, profitable, etc.) from a number of options

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Re: too many repeat urbanlegand crap and belittle new players.
« Reply #49 on: February 02, 2009, 03:28:15 AM »
What about when a guy breaks from a 1v1?  That's when I call them chicken glaze.

Grizz, let's say that you see you're going to be dead next turn/revolution/whatever because their plane model clearly turns better than yours.  Your answer is to continue as is anyways?

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Re: too many repeat urbanlegand crap and belittle new players.
« Reply #50 on: February 02, 2009, 03:29:00 AM »
actually, it doesn't take two. '
if your sole intent is to ho me, and i try to maneuver away from it,. regardless if it's successful or not, you ho'd me.
 i know what you;re gonna say next....it's a hi angle deflection shot.........wrongo.

Bingo.

I usually try to put my nose high or low when a con comes traight at me to indicate that i wont HO. If he then does not point his plane in the oposite direction (ie slightly up if i go down) to indicate the same i know his intent is to continue the HO and i will then do the same.

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Re: too many repeat urbanlegand crap and belittle new players.
« Reply #51 on: February 02, 2009, 03:33:29 AM »
You're wrong...period. 
Sorry you were not consulted in the early 90's when the terminolgy was applied to this type of sim.

Well you should have consulted me and I would have set you straight. There are no cherries in Aces High after the first alt-f4 prank their all lemons...  :P

Once you leave the tower your a valid target... period.  :aok
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Re: too many repeat urbanlegand crap and belittle new players.
« Reply #52 on: February 02, 2009, 04:08:06 AM »
Once you leave the tower your a valid target... period.  :aok

Nobody said anything about an invalid target.  The only invalidation here is you having the nerve to be a late commer to an old community and lecture everyone else that their long standing jargon doesn't exist.  You can take your opinion and go pound sand.

It does not matter what either of the pilots think, the definition is killing someone already in a fight. 

There ya go.  That's all there is to it. 

I pick.  I almost never hear any complaints about it.  Probably for two reasons.  It's not my sole method of getting kills, and I know it's an unremarkable low effort method, but I won't pass up the opportunity when it presents itself.  So what is it you're doing with your flying that makes you so touchy about it?  I have guesses.

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Re: too many repeat urbanlegand crap and belittle new players.
« Reply #53 on: February 02, 2009, 04:14:21 AM »
Picking happens all the time every minute. Nothing wrong with picking the enemy of a fellow chesspiece's back or knocking down that plane over there that has poor SA.

I pick or get picked every day. If you dont like it then go to DA with another player and find a quiet field.

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Re: too many repeat urbanlegand crap and belittle new players.
« Reply #54 on: February 02, 2009, 04:20:03 AM »
Picking happens all the time every minute. Nothing wrong with picking the enemy of a fellow chesspiece's back or knocking down that plane over there that has poor SA.

I pick or get picked every day. If you dont like it then go to DA with another player and find a quiet field.

Geesh Nilsen, aren't you paying attention?  Mr. April 2006 here says there's no such thing  ;)

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Re: too many repeat urbanlegand crap and belittle new players.
« Reply #55 on: February 02, 2009, 04:32:40 AM »
Grizz, let's say that you see you're going to be dead next turn/revolution/whatever because their plane model clearly turns better than yours.  Your answer is to continue as is anyways?

I'd rather try to reverse them then to try to run/stick stir and probably die the same.  But if I did have an opportunity to disengage and get enough separation against a plane clearly ready to crush me, I would, you're right.  But I wouldn't run, I would extend to set up my next attack.  Probably a 15-20 second extension at most.

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Re: too many repeat urbanlegand crap and belittle new players.
« Reply #56 on: February 02, 2009, 04:42:22 AM »
Geesh Nilsen, aren't you paying attention?  Mr. April 2006 here says there's no such thing  ;)

Mr. April 2006 is prolly just warping really bad. In reality he is Mr. February 2009  :)

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Re: too many repeat urbanlegand crap and belittle new players.
« Reply #57 on: February 02, 2009, 04:49:18 AM »
Just so you know grind I always ask and usually cover the fight unless I am asked in but my answer to the same question is: If you can kill him go for it.

I don't generally have to share too many kills but I will share!  :aok


I do the same Challenge, the thing is most do not, and end up ruining a good fight.  If "good fights" were more common in the MA I guess it wouldn't bother me.  The HO on the merge, a few turns and they have to "extend" indefinitely until you are engaged in another fight only to come back to pick gets old.  And yes I spend a lot time in the DA with people who like to 1v1.  Speaking for myself, the only thing in this game that can get my heart pounding, hands sweating and total immersion is a white knuckle 1v1, everything else pales.  Thats not to say I won't pork a field, bring the goon, hop in a GV or field gun, fly bombers etc....  If it were not for the posibilty of getting into a "good 1v1 fight" every once in awhile I wouldn't waste my time like I do. hehe

Realism?  What realism?  I can't think of anything right off hand that is "realistic" in the MA.  Please clue me in on this "Realism".  

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Re: too many repeat urbanlegand crap and belittle new players.
« Reply #58 on: February 02, 2009, 04:52:12 AM »
But if I did have an opportunity to disengage and get enough separation against a plane clearly ready to crush me, I would, you're right.  But I wouldn't run, I would extend to set up my next attack.  Probably a 15-20 second extension at most.

CC Grizz.  I extend out when I see "this isn't going to work" so I can reset the fight and try again.  Just wondered if your comment applied to that.

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Re: too many repeat urbanlegand crap and belittle new players.
« Reply #59 on: February 02, 2009, 04:53:38 AM »
1. why do a few of you think its funny to say alt f4 to any question by a new player. This game needs new players to grow and help htc build a better platform.

4. telling them that spitfire is a dweebs plane is ridiculous. There are no dweeb planes every plane has its good points and its disadvantages.

First time I read "press alt f4"...I did that..and smiled to myself.

´cause I like to fly the Spit and didn´t know the meaning of "dweeb", I just translated it into German. -> I don`t want to be a dweeb :cry

well, I think all of that what rod367th mentioned is part of a game like AHII. I played NavyField a long time, and same happened over there. Newcomers had a hard time. When reaching lvl 81 (out max 120) I even started to name beginners "noob" as well.

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