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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Dadsguns on February 17, 2009, 04:02:51 PM
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I updated my graphics card today to a GeForce 9800GT 1024MB, the old one wasnt bad, just wanted to upgrade it, which now I realize wasn't as bad as I may have thought.
Also, Installed a new power supply which upped the power from 305hz to 700hz and also upped the memory from 4x215mb = 1GB to 2x2GB = 4GB :(.
You would think that the picture and frame rate should skyrocket, but unless I do not have something set right, I really am not impressed and surely not worth the nearly 400 bucks I tossed in the crapper. :cry
Any ideas of what I probably missed here, I have checked the settings and the picture is just a bit better than before, in game there wasnt really a recognizable difference from before at least nothing that I could tell.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
EDIT:
This card has two DVI connections, I had to use the DVI to VGA Monitor adapter, could it be that my monitor just isnt cutting the mustard...?
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Maybe AH is not the real test. It's more cpu intensive than graphic intensive. Try it in a more graphic intensive game. Also, visit waffles settings and see what is there.http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,231506.0.html
Make sure have completely deleted the old drivers too. You may need to run a driver cleaner and reinstall the drivers. Also, you may want to download the latest drivers from the manufacturers website. Another thing, compare clock speeds and core speeds from the new to the old. Another thing you can do is if it has an auto tune program use it. It appears to me that cpus and graphics cards work off each other. Now I'm no expert on that. It does appear that way. Noticed a trend while over clocking and then adjusting my vc. Oh make sure you have all the optimal items checked in game video settings and if you haven't, down load the 1024 package.
Last thought, I don't think fps is quite the way to judge a card. For instance my fps is almost always 60 because that is my monitors maximum refresh rate.
What is your cpu btw?
These are just my thoughts and I am no expert. I am very interested in what folks post about this.
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Is your vsync on?
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Depends, what did you update from? 9800 is good, but if you already had something decent/good it wouldn't do much.
This game as mentioned is more CPU intensive, and as of current isn't the most beautiful game out there (No offense HTC) yet, the coming upgrade will help that.
What FPS did you get/settings did you use, before? Now? FPS/FR will not "skyrocket" if V-sync is on and you already had good FR.
Make sure all drivers are updated. And a VGA monitor on a DVI adapter won't make a difference (I use the same thing).
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Is your vsync on?
:rofl I am not sure what that is?
Depends, what did you update from? 9800 is good, but if you already had something decent/good it wouldn't do much.
This game as mentioned is more CPU intensive, and as of current isn't the most beautiful game out there (No offense HTC) yet, the coming upgrade will help that.
What FPS did you get/settings did you use, before? Now? FPS/FR will not "skyrocket" if V-sync is on and you already had good FR.
Make sure all drivers are updated. And a VGA monitor on a DVI adapter won't make a difference (I use the same thing).
The card that was installed came with the computer from dell,, AVI I believe. I was getting 40-70 in game before, no noticeable difference with this new card roughly the same.
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:rofl I am not sure what that is?
V-Sync: Keeps Frame rates from exceeding the Refresh rate of the monitor, typically 60, 72 or 75. Without V-sync the Frame Rate will increase to above the listed numbers, but will cause Screen tearing. Highly recommended to not turn off.
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V-Sync: Keeps Frame rates from exceeding the Refresh rate of the monitor, typically 60, 72 or 75. Without V-sync the Frame Rate will increase to above the listed numbers, but will cause Screen tearing. Highly recommended to not turn off.
I currently have the NVIDIA set for 60, options are 70,72,75. The resolution for the monitor is set at 1280x1024 60HZ
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If your frame rate is dropping below 60 with the 9800GT, then your computer may be CPU bound. What CPU does it have?
With Aces High II, you normally get more bang for your buck from a faster CPU. We do focus on the flight model quite a bit which is very CPU intensive.
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If your frame rate is dropping below 60 with the 9800GT, then your computer may be CPU bound. What CPU does it have?
With Aces High II, you normally get more bang for your buck from a faster CPU. We do focus on the flight model quite a bit which is very CPU intensive.
Pentium 4 CPU 3.40GHz
3.39 GHz, 3.00 GB of RAM
32 BIT
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When you downloaded the new drivers they should have installed he Nvidia control panal. It sounds like you need to go there and do some tweaking.
You should be able to set antialiasing and anistropic filtering to 8-16x. Turn vsync on and turn on triple buffering. Set image quality to "quality". Force mipmaps. There's a ton of settings in there and you won't get great quality until you play with them.
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If that is a Prescott Pentium 4, then your computer is definately CPU bound.
How many background processes are running?
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If that is a Prescott Pentium 4, then your computer is definately CPU bound.
How many background processes are running?
Says Intel Pentium in the system information. There are 60 process running :confused:
Sitting Idle CPU usage is at 54%
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I think we found the culprit.
Idle is at 54%!!! I assume that is with no applications running, including the game. It should be at 0%, with an occasional bump to 1%.
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Says Intel Pentium in the system information. There are 60 process running :confused:
Sitting Idle CPU usage is at 54%
yikes!
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I think we found the culprit.
Idle is at 54%!!! I assume that is with no applications running, including the game. It should be at 0%, with an occasional bump to 1%.
Yikes, one word. FSautostart if using xp.
I'm also willing to bet you have spyware, adware etc on that computer. You probably need to do some serious cleaning if not a restore.
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When you downloaded the new drivers they should have installed he Nvidia control panal. It sounds like you need to go there and do some tweaking.
You should be able to set antialiasing and anistropic filtering to 8-16x. Turn vsync on and turn on triple buffering. Set image quality to "quality". Force mipmaps. There's a ton of settings in there and you won't get great quality until you play with them.
I also found this in the advanced settings, I am changing them now, I know I know,, :D I tried cutting some of it out before using a previous post on how to do it, but I think I ended up cutting one thing off that shouldnt have been... :lol There is a healthy respect and fear of doing it again.....
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I think we found the culprit.
Idle is at 54%!!! I assume that is with no applications running, including the game. It should be at 0%, with an occasional bump to 1%.
Nothing running just IE, McAFEE in system tray. You still have that list of what not to shut off....
EDIT< Just checked again, now it shows 61 processes and 1% usage.
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Nothing running just IE, McAFEE in system tray. You still have that list of what not to shut off....
EDIT< Just checked again, now it shows 61 processes and 1% usage.
FSautostart will tell you. Are you using xp?
Mcaffee is a resource hog from what I understand. You can look in windows task manager and to the right it shows memory usage. You can sort by memory usage as well. Give you an idea of what is using the most resources.
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FSautostart,,, cc thanks. Yes XP.
I will check that out, I heard that it worked for the most part.
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FSautostart,,, cc thanks. Yes XP.
I will check that out, I heard that it worked for the most part.
Here http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/System-Tweak/FSAutoStart.shtml
Do you have any anti spyware like spybot, or adaware etc? I really think you need to clean your system. Glary utilities is a big help too.
Of course you are welcome. :salute
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Here http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/System-Tweak/FSAutoStart.shtml
Do you have any anti spyware like spybot, or adaware etc? I really think you need to clean your system. Glary utilities is a big help too.
Of course you are welcome. :salute
Just McAfee, I defrag and dont surf much, I just have too much crap running and dont know what it is.
Thanks everyone for your help.
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Dadguns, you evidently have something using way too much of your CPU. I have 59 processes running and my CPU usage bounces from 3-5%. That is when checking it with Task Manager. Task manager uses about 2%on my system, so my CPU usage is actually between 1-3%, when I don't have Task Manager running.
I'm running Vista Home Premium, on an Acer Aspire E-380. I am considering using FSautostart, or something like it, myself. I know this OS is bloated bad, but you seem to have something running pretty tuff in the background.
Coogan
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Just McAfee, I defrag and dont surf much, I just have too much crap running and dont know what it is.
Thanks everyone for your help.
Dadsguns, let me emphasize this. There's more than just the 60 processes. Like Coogan said. Something else is going on here. I beg you to run spybot and adaware.
spybot http://www.safer-networking.org/en/spybotsd/index.html
adaware: http://www.download.com/Ad-Aware-Anniversary-Edition/3000-8022_4-10045910.html?part=dl-ad-aware&subj=dl&tag=top5&cdlPid=10998841
Defragging does not get rid of these things.
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Anyone with 60 processes can cut 40 of them without even disabling anything important, permanently.
Of course there are POS antiviruses that create 10 processes alone. McAfee is quite horrible in that sense, I uninstalled the bundled McAfee after 10 seconds of trying from my VMWare box.
But seriously if you have 59-60 processes running you don't need FS autostart you need heavy trimming on your whole computer setup to remove excess waste.
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McAfee and Norton are viruses as far as I am concerned.
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Dads, google Glary Utilities
Free download, solid set of puter utilities that includes fixing registry errors, cleaning up temp files, fixing bad shortcuts, etc.
And much much more.
It is actually 2 sets in one package. Once installed, under 1 click maintanance, check all the boxes, and scan for problems, fix problems, then rescan again and again until you get a scan with no problems.
Then, move a tab to the right,Modules, Optimise and improve, startup manager.
Take a LONG hard look at whats starting when windows does and why.
Do I really need " " this to start every time windows starts?
Plus it has a built in google link, so you can find out whats what.
Once that is done, reboot, and see how many processes you have running.
There is a process manager that is a bit better than the default windows one in "system tools" and like the windows start manager you should be able to google any entry to see if it can be disabled or should be left alone.
This is a sweet set of tools that will fix many many problems especially with older systems that have not been cleaned out for years.
BTW I highly recommend a complete Hard drive wipe, repartition, and reinstall OS/Drivers/Software at least once a year if you want a truly clean fast running machine.
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Dads, google Glary Utilities
Free download, solid set of puter utilities that includes fixing registry errors, cleaning up temp files, fixing bad shortcuts, etc.
And much much more.
It is actually 2 sets in one package. Once installed, under 1 click maintanance, check all the boxes, and scan for problems, fix problems, then rescan again and again until you get a scan with no problems.
Then, move a tab to the right,Modules, Optimise and improve, startup manager.
Take a LONG hard look at whats starting when windows does and why.
Do I really need " " this to start every time windows starts?
Plus it has a built in google link, so you can find out whats what.
Once that is done, reboot, and see how many processes you have running.
There is a process manager that is a bit better than the default windows one in "system tools" and like the windows start manager you should be able to google any entry to see if it can be disabled or should be left alone.
This is a sweet set of tools that will fix many many problems especially with older systems that have not been cleaned out for years.
BTW I highly recommend a complete Hard drive wipe, repartition, and reinstall OS/Drivers/Software at least once a year if you want a truly clean fast running machine.
Ditto. I told him about this. So I'm glad someone is of the same mindset.
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McAfee and Norton are viruses as far as I am concerned.
:noid
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Yeah, I won't use MacAfee again... Its a bloated piece of crap...
And it doesn't work for squat.. Heck, its supposed to find and remove
viruses, but I think it actually ignores, or even ADDS some... Just trash!!!
I use AVG and Adaware on my game machine.. Just because it makes me
feel better to have something to watch my back... They are easy to turn off
when its time to play the game.. And effective at their job...
Skuzzy's tips in the help column on this BB went along way toward
helping my old machine.. XP home, runs tons of sneaky stuff in the
background, that is meaningless to most ppl... Turn it OFF!!!
If a PC dunce like me can find that stuff, I'm sure you will too!!!
RC
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Start Here:
http://www.blackviper.com/ (http://www.blackviper.com/)
Use this for the above:
http://www.answersthatwork.com/Tasklist_pages/tasklist.htm (http://www.answersthatwork.com/Tasklist_pages/tasklist.htm)
This is will help you whittle down the processes considerably.
I always recommend Glary Utilities.
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For your Anti-Virus needs you might want to consider ESET NOD32. Much less intrusive on a system and about 200 Quadzillion (is that even a number???) % better than anything put out by McAfee or Norton. There are others around just as good or maybe better than NOD32 but I like it for me.
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I updated my graphics card today to a GeForce 9800GT 1024MB, the old one wasnt bad, just wanted to upgrade it, which now I realize wasn't as bad as I may have thought.
Also, Installed a new power supply which upped the power from 305hz to 700hz and also upped the memory from 4x215mb = 1GB to 2x2GB = 4GB :(.
You would think that the picture and frame rate should skyrocket, but unless I do not have something set right, I really am not impressed and surely not worth the nearly 400 bucks I tossed in the crapper. :cry
Any ideas of what I probably missed here, I have checked the settings and the picture is just a bit better than before, in game there wasnt really a recognizable difference from before at least nothing that I could tell.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
EDIT:
This card has two DVI connections, I had to use the DVI to VGA Monitor adapter, could it be that my monitor just isnt cutting the mustard...?
XP Pro can only fully utilize 2-3 gigs. The power supply probably was a waste but I'm sure you're talking about watts and not mhz. Unless your old one was bad, 300 ish is pretty low though so not totally unneccesarry. This game barely uses memory, so the 2 gigs you had before were fine.
The best things you could do is to tweak your system off of un necessary programs. What processor you have you didn't mention, that may have been your bottleneck more than video card which is often way overlooked.
Hardware tech isn't excelling like it used to. Upgrades cost and the boosts aren't what they used to be.
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He mentioned his processor priviously. Prescott 3.4 ghz.
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XP Pro can only fully utilize 2-3 gigs. The power supply probably was a waste but I'm sure you're talking about watts and not mhz. Unless your old one was bad, 300 ish is pretty low though so not totally unneccesarry. This game barely uses memory, so the 2 gigs you had before were fine.
The best things you could do is to tweak your system off of un necessary programs. What processor you have you didn't mention, that may have been your bottleneck more than video card which is often way overlooked.
Hardware tech isn't excelling like it used to. Upgrades cost and the boosts aren't what they used to be.
XP Pro 32-bit with a single displaycard will show 3,2-3,4Gb ram. XP Pro x64 will show as much as Vista or W7 x64. Regardless of the fact it pays off to get full 4 gigs - even if you 'lose' 1 gig you gain dual channel mode.