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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Delirium on February 22, 2009, 10:37:29 PM
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Disable landing/kill messages in the DA
Anyone with me?
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+1
People just go in there to up an uber plane and get their name in lights. I'm ALL for it.
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Ability to form a squad in the arena should also be nixed.
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Then people wont be able to see how super 3LiTe I am. :D
Seriously though, +3
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The DA? +1 :aok
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Ability to form a squad in the arena should also be nixed.
But I like landing kills in a P-47D-11 of Fighting Turduckens.
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+1 also
Disable F3 mode.
Make the bomber base closest to HOtard valley a Knight base to discourage bombers bombing that what ought not be bombed.
wrongway
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Just have king Stodd sit there with the control to the subservient squeaker eject button. Stodd knows his kind he will sort them out.
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Landing kills is counter to what the spirit of the DA should be.
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Count me in!
DA is the only arena that gets no real oversight by anyone, mods, CM's, or trainers.
As a result a lot of slime has collected in there, and it is breeding at an alarming rate.
Time for a big shot of chlorine, clean out that particular gene pool.
Disable squadrons, do away with F3 view, shut down perk planes at the furball lake.
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Agree, nix the Kill messages.
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No kill messages, no rearm pad, no ord and only allow early war rides. The whole arena as it stands now disgusts me.
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Everything suggested but the selective planeset. Obviously.
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and only allow early war rides. The whole arena as it stands now disgusts me.
You think it would really be "better" if all you'd see are Hurricane II's ? ;)
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Agree 100%.
Regards,
Hammer
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Count me in!
DA is the only arena that gets no real oversight by anyone, mods, CM's, or trainers.
As a result a lot of slime has collected in there, and it is breeding at an alarming rate.
Time for a big shot of chlorine, clean out that particular gene pool.
Disable squadrons, do away with F3 view, shut down perk planes at the furball lake.
Oh yeah, forgot about that one!
And how about some 40k mountains around the furball area?
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Gents, this thread is to abolish the landing/kill messages only, mostly to curb the picking and endless hording that goes on in the DA.
I'm sure there are many other changes we would like to see, but I'd rather not make this thread too diverse.
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so if there are no kill messages...everyone will change what and how they fly? I could care less either way...just dont see how removing a kill message is going to change a person.
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Alas, I find myself compelled to make a serious reply. I don't really see the importance of all this myself, why there is so much upset myself. The Furball Lake is what it is, which IMO is basically the same treatment you get in the MA, only with less climbing and less time enroute. Good way to get a quick dose of gunnery practice basically. I don't see any changes suggested changing the way people actually fly there, nor do I see how anyone has been prevented from actually dueling in the DA because of the Lake over there. I mean, my attitude is that it is the "Just fooling around for a few laughs, It doesn't matter" part of the arena. I have more important things to be outraged by than running Tempests and getting ganged over there, etc.
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Anyone with me?
If they aren't, they're landing kills.
Motion seconded. Picktard Lake is out of control.
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If they aren't, they're landing kills.
Motion seconded. Picktard Lake is out of control.
:lol I'm with ya, and I've landed kills in the DA before because I wanted the C-Hog tards to see 7 kills in a P-40. :P (Not like that's a challenge against their piloting skill, but they need to see it's possible to succeed in something different).
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:lol I'm with ya, and I've landed kills in the DA before because I wanted the C-Hog tards to see 7 kills in a P-40. :P (Not like that's a challenge against their piloting skill, but they need to see it's possible to succeed in something different).
I can see that being quite satisfying.
After a couple rearms, I bet it feels great to silence the kid landing two kills at a time in a Tempest (and simultaneously informing everyone else how much they suck) when you land a couple dozen in one shot with a 109E or a Spit I.
Actually, I think Ill do that tonight to shake the out-of-town weekend rust off before I go get ganged in the MA. :)
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Saying there's no change from removing the kill messages is not an opposition to this idea. If it doesnt change anything, there's nothing to lose from doing it. It'll remove the apparent equating of hard earned kill streaks from cheap picks.
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Since it is the Duelling Arena, how many kills you land should not matter. The emphasis should be on arranged duels between 2 people, not how many kills some 8 year old can pick his way to in a tempest while spewing squeak and bile. Get rid of the messages.
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I think the "name in lights" as well as "You just show down Pacerr" should be got rid of as well.
There is no need to know who you shot down or who shot down you. It serves no puropse and it clogs up the txt bar.
The REAL sad thing is HTC doesnt even appear to want to try some of these suggestions on a trial basis. Why not try the no "name in lights" or no "You shot down SHawk" for a tour and just try it out???
HTC??? Care to comment???
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so if there are no kill messages...everyone will change what and how they fly? I could care less either way...just dont see how removing a kill message is going to change a person.
I agree. Just because you remove the kill messages is not going to automatically reform the player and make him stop his 'tard way of flying. Just like removing the late war planes is not going to stop the someone from upping another plane to continue their 'tard way of flying.
ack-ack
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It's not about the automatic fix though. That's not realistic. Removing kills landed messages is a small step that leads to fixing a poisonous community over time.
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I would like to see who killed me or who i kill..... Just kill the landing/ messages..
It wont change the player.?.... i would like to find out.... It sure as heck wont Attract those types either if its gone....
<S>
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I'm all for it just so I could spawn in something and listen to the shrieking squeaks on range about how bs it is. That would be roflerific!
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After a couple rearms, I bet it feels great to silence the kid landing two kills at a time in a Tempest (and simultaneously informing everyone else how much they suck) when you land a couple dozen in one shot with a 109E or a Spit I.
I do that in the MA in a hurri 1 with NO rearms :lol
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If they care about their "name in lights" and you take that away from them, they'll just move to the main arenas.
In other words, if you don't like what they're doing in furball lake, stay away from furball lake and leave them alone..
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If the furball lake guys move into the main arena, they will be in the tower so fast they might just cancel their accounts. :rofl
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If the furball lake guys move into the main arena, they will be in the tower so fast they might just cancel their accounts. :rofl
One of the 'DA Aces' made a claim once in a thread about how only 15 players in AH have the skill to shoot him down in a 1v1 fight, so I took him up on his challenge. Unfortunately, it was a very brief affair since he didn't know how to merge and let me saddle up after our initial merge. Was going to play with him and just ping his plane apart slowly but then decided I didn't want to give him the false hope that he was good by being able to survive for any length of time so I ended it quickly. Whole fight lasted less than 30 seconds.
ack-ack
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The kills could be dumped to a post-flight report on the clipboard, the same way score is. TBH I don't see HTC doing this though. The landing message would be more likely, I think. I could be totally wrong.
If they care about their "name in lights" and you take that away from them, they'll just move to the main arenas.
In other words, if you don't like what they're doing in furball lake, stay away from furball lake and leave them alone..
non sequitur.. If they want names in lights, they can do it in the MA. Lots more chance their kill streak was really earned in there.
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The kills could be dumped to a post-flight report on the clipboard, the same way score is. TBH I don't see HTC doing this though. The landing message would be more likely, I think. I could be totally wrong.non sequitur.. If they want names in lights, they can do it in the MA. Lots more chance their kill streak was really earned in there.
I'd like to see an AAR similiar to what was in AW. It would show who was shot down and by whom, along with a time stamp of the kill.
ack-ack
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There is no need to know who you shot down or who shot down you. It serves no puropse and it clogs up the txt bar.
Damn you must be t3h l33t killing so many guys that you miss text messages. ;)
so if there are no kill messages...everyone will change what and how they fly? I could care less either way...just dont see how removing a kill message is going to change a person.
I think a lot of the picktards are flying that way so they can land and get their name in the 'lights'. Granted, the DA 'lights' are really dim, flickering, and almost burnt out but apparently even Aces High rejects need love. That's their entire purpose, to show the other furball laker's how uber they are. Landing kills is like fooling people. Nobody knows for certain how you got the kills so they'll just "wtg" you. Take away the kill messages, take away any sense of accomplishment. The only form of accomplishment you should get in the dueling arena is from the person you shot down who salutes you after a good fight.
You'd probably ax the picktards in half by doing this, but you'd still have some who do it just to be griefers. You know, the rebellious teenage crowd that gets their kicks by being online bullies.
What's the plus count up to now?
+20
Get rid of Kill Messages in DA!
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What really pissed me off the other day was I brought a student into the DA and we squared off on 2 remote fields to start some 1v1s so I could see where he was at, skill wise.
Suddenly some a**hole comes out of no where in a Tempest and picks him after we were getting some separation to restart our 1v1. I ask the guy nicely to stay out, that it was a private duel and he was looking to learn some P38 stuff.
Once again, this a**hole comes in and picks him again while we were in a vertical scissor. Finally I say on channel 1, "Forget it, we'll go to the TA." A minute later I see 'A**hole has landed 2 in a Tempest of some bunghole squadron'
Something needs to be done, disabling kill messages would help diminish the hording and all over rude gameplay that takes place in there.
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What really pissed me off the other day was I brought a student into the DA and we squared off on 2 remote fields to start some 1v1s so I could see where he was at, skill wise.
Suddenly some a**hole comes out of no where in a Tempest and picks him after we were getting some separation to restart our 1v1. I ask the guy nicely to stay out, that it was a private duel and he was looking to learn some P38 stuff.
Once again, this a**hole comes in and picks him again while we were in a vertical scissor. Finally I say on channel 1, "Forget it, we'll go to the TA." A minute later I see 'A**hole has landed 2 in a Tempest of some bunghole squadron'
Something needs to be done, disabling kill messages would help diminish the hording and all over rude gameplay that takes place in there.
That right there's a film that needs to be sent in. That kid needs a good virtual smack across the face.
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You think it would really be "better" if all you'd see are Hurricane II's ? ;)
Yuk! That never even occured to me.
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+1 also
Disable F3 mode.
Make the bomber base closest to HOtard valley a Knight base to discourage bombers bombing that what ought not be bombed.
wrongway
It wont stop my team of elite squeekers. All we are gonna do is Switch knight and bomb the bish and rooks
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It wont stop my team of elite squeekers. All we are gonna do is Switch knight and bomb the bish and rooks
But the flight will be twice as long. At least it would cut down on frequency.
wrongway
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It wont stop my team of elite squeekers. All we are gonna do is Switch knight and bomb the bish and rooks
Please tell me you're just joking. I'd really like to be able to help you out as you continue to learn this game, and not completely ignore you.
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Please tell me you're just joking. I'd really like to be able to help you out as you continue to learn this game, and not completely ignore you.
He's one of the twits that has made the DA in the sorry state it is currently in. Expecting any more out of him is like expecting a room full of chimps to write the complete works of Shakespear.
ack-ack
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Damn you must be t3h l33t killing so many guys that you miss text messages. ;)
I think a lot of the picktards are flying that way so they can land and get their name in the 'lights'. Granted, the DA 'lights' are really dim, flickering, and almost burnt out but apparently even Aces High rejects need love. That's their entire purpose, to show the other furball laker's how uber they are. Landing kills is like fooling people. Nobody knows for certain how you got the kills so they'll just "wtg" you. Take away the kill messages, take away any sense of accomplishment. The only form of accomplishment you should get in the dueling arena is from the person you shot down who salutes you after a good fight.
You'd probably ax the picktards in half by doing this, but you'd still have some who do it just to be griefers. You know, the rebellious teenage crowd that gets their kicks by being online bullies.
What's the plus count up to now?
+20
Get rid of Kill Messages in DA!
Exactly the way I feel grizz, but I think it would cut the amount of dweebs by more than half.
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What really pissed me off the other day was I brought a student into the DA and we squared off on 2 remote fields to start some 1v1s so I could see where he was at, skill wise.
Suddenly some a**hole comes out of no where in a Tempest and picks him after we were getting some separation to restart our 1v1. I ask the guy nicely to stay out, that it was a private duel and he was looking to learn some P38 stuff.
Once again, this a**hole comes in and picks him again while we were in a vertical scissor. Finally I say on channel 1, "Forget it, we'll go to the TA." A minute later I see 'A**hole has landed 2 in a Tempest of some bunghole squadron'
Something needs to be done, disabling kill messages would help diminish the hording and all over rude gameplay that takes place in there.
There called griefers and nothing gets done. about it...............They look for ways of screwing up the DA for others. It does not happen by accident.
The funny thing is its probably H1732C :devil with a shade doing it....
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If you disable kill messages in the DA then how will the TAs Aerofighters ever see their names in lights?...... :cry
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Exactly the way I feel grizz, but I think it would cut the amount of dweebs by more than half.
Probably, I was trying to make a conservative guess instead of saying it'd wipe out over 80% or whatever. It would wipe out at least half for sure but who really knows until HTC tries it. :aok
And on a side note. HiTech could really show the vets that he does care about them and how the mass numbers (while great for business) have hampered main arena fun for them. Take steps necessary to clean up the dueling arena so it can be used for its intended purposes: Duels and good fights, where ACM enthusiasts can learn how to fight the proper way. The place is currently a cesspool, the Mos Eisley Cantina of Aces High.
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If you disable kill messages in the DA then how will the TAs Aerofighters ever see their names in lights?...... :cry
They'll still be able to see their names in lights when it displays the name of the player that just shot them down. :rofl
ack-ack
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Saw a guy tonight sitting at about 15k near A2 in an F4U-4. Every time you climbed up to him, he'd climb a little bit higher and continue picking, finally topping out around 25k. Eventually after chasing him for a bit I tired of his "game" and dropped out. Meanwhile he makes a mach-speed dive on a squaddie, (we're familiarizing ourselves with our FSO mounts. the picker missed, btw) blows too much altitude, and egresses out towards his base. I hung around a bit while I watched and continued climbing so now have him right at co-alt, I turn for him in a level pursuit.
By this time I'm the only hostile plane anywhere NEAR him. It's definitely on for a clear and even 1v1.
He runs for his field and dives for his ack and buddies soon as he sees me coming.
I make a pass through the gauntlet for at least one shot at him, get an empty fuel tank holed, and decide I don't want to get mobbed by the horde for the sake of one picktard who doesn't have the guts to meet an opponent one on one even though he's flying the BEST all-around dogfighter in the game.
On behalf of all REAL Hog pilots in the game, I am TOTALLY embarrassed to see such a miserable display of flying. It was a total disgrace to the plane.
Oh, and then he landed and the global channel was filled with attaboys and pats on the back.
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Not sure who's lamer, the guy landing the kills or the guy WTGing him in the DA. :huh
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The more I think about this idea the more I like it.
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Saxman, I can find that kind of play in the main arena any day. :P
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I'm just as embarrassed when I see it there, too.
You're in a plane that can handle pretty much everything in the plane set in a 1v1 fight. Fly like it. :furious
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If they care about their "name in lights" and you take that away from them, they'll just move to the main arenas.
In other words, if you don't like what they're doing in furball lake, stay away from furball lake and leave them alone..
Yes, but in the MA there will always be someone higher..The real problem in the DA is that HTC lets people fly out of cockpit...So a lot of the new peeps learn to fly that way...Now when they go to ma they can not fly in the cockpit....If everyone can remember before 8 player was deleted that's when the major numbers started to appear in the DA...Before that there was only duelers in there and a few squad members practicing...IMO allowing the 3rd person view is the real problem, along with keeping monthly stats...There are people in there that really track there kill to death and stuff like that :rofl I have had words with several players in there on different occasions ,and they like to throw the "well look at ur score u suck" card in there :huh Most the people in there are x 8 player peeps ,or new people who like the 3rd person view...As far as the squad thing in the Da goes it is just a lot more easy to track squad members if there in a squad in all the arenas... :salute
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+1.
Also enable the 262 on a few bases so we can enter the danger zone!
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When i started playing 2 years back the da was 10x better. I accutally learned in there by 2v2 duels or 1v1s many fights with agent360
where he helped me out. I went in there the other day. I thought I could get back in the game, as I was off for a year and wanted to refresh
with some 2v2s or 3v3s and was shocked to find it was just a mini MA pickers and gangers no real fights. If taking the kill/landing messages
out might help iam 100% for it. :aok
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I don't think it will help as much as people are hoping it will. Remove one aspect from the game and the "PicTards" as you all call them will just find another way to annoy you. You can keep asking HTC to remove things or limit things but in the end that is going to cause this game to defeat itself..
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We want to eliminate the kill messages because that's what seems to motivate them. If you take away their motivation...
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I don't think it will help as much as people are hoping it will. Remove one aspect from the game and the "PicTards" as you all call them will just find another way to annoy you. You can keep asking HTC to remove things or limit things but in the end that is going to cause this game to defeat itself..
The dueling arena is the place where people in the MA who prefer sportsmanship are told, quite forcefully, to go... There is absolutely no need for a landing-kills message in there. It's just salt in the wounds for some people, and encourages the same horrid gameplay that the landing-kills message encourages in the MA.
The dueling arena is supposed to be an alternative to the MA's poor gameplay. It is not supposed to be MA 2.0.
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They'll still be able to see their names in lights when it displays the name of the player that just shot them down. :rofl
ack-ack
Actually that is the fly in the ointment on this wish. As it is now, if you disable "name in lights" in the arena setup, it also disables "you shot down ----"/"---- shot you down"
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The dueling arena is the place where people in the MA who prefer sportsmanship are told, quite forcefully, to go... There is absolutely no need for a landing-kills message in there. It's just salt in the wounds for some people, and encourages the same horrid gameplay that the landing-kills message encourages in the MA.
I agree with you to an extent. I can understand people getting mad if they are outside of lake furball. Lake furball is the "furball" area so anyone getting mad by the type of flying should probably move to one of the more 1v1 or 2v2 style of airfield setups. There are plenty of them. IMHO.
Removing the "so and so has landed # kills in a # of the #" serves no real purpose. I know when I started playing about 2 1/2 years ago i thought it was an achievement if I could up at Lake Furball and get home with over 5 kills. it was an accomplishment that I was able to keep my SA up and make it home in the chaos.
Does anyone understand my take on this subject?
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I agree with you to an extent. I can understand people getting mad if they are outside of lake furball. Lake furball is the "furball" area so anyone getting mad by the type of flying should probably move to one of the more 1v1 or 2v2 style of airfield setups. There are plenty of them. IMHO.
Removing the "so and so has landed # kills in a # of the #" serves no real purpose. I know when I started playing about 2 1/2 years ago i thought it was an achievement if I could up at Lake Furball and get home with over 5 kills. it was an accomplishment that I was able to keep my SA up and make it home in the chaos.
Does anyone understand my take on this subject?
It's wrong because the players simply don't care about "an achievement if I could up at Lake Furball and get home with over 5 kills.". They fly the same way someone would paint a crappy painting and make their signature really big. Or just not paint anything and just paint their signature. It's completely meaningless. It's a reward for no effort.
Now, your turn. What is lost by removing the kill messages, and leaving only what some people argue is what the game's all about - the fighting?
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Removing the "so and so has landed # kills in a # of the #" serves no real purpose. I know when I started playing about 2 1/2 years ago i thought it was an achievement if I could up at Lake Furball and get home with over 5 kills. it was an accomplishment that I was able to keep my SA up and make it home in the chaos.
Does anyone understand my take on this subject?
You know, part of me thinks I'd be doing you a favor setting you straight, but the other part just doesn't see the need to be a complete jerk. I guess I'll just say the meaning of accomplishment has changed much over the years, and I believe it has changed at the expense of the good of the community, game, and player learning.
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What is gained from removing kill messages? Shame from not being able to get home in the furball? If you don't care, ignore the messages. I personally feel good when people say "Good job!" when I land.
Removing all perk planes? The same thing will happen to the Spit16, as it did the Tempest when the 262s were removed.
The 3rd person view? Yeah, it is a bit cheap, but then again, the DA is a more fast-paced arcade-style arena.
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Set me straight about what? It's OK that I do not completely agree with everyone. I'm just stating there are still people here who use the messages as a means of judging our performance in the DA. That doesn't mean that if I am consistently scoring 5+ kills in the DA that I'm going to move the MA and get the same. It's a different style of flying and fighting but for me it's an accomplishment as it has only been in the last few weeks that I have been able to return to base at all in the DA.
Try to look at it this way, you have some really good sticks in the DA and then you have the mediocre sticks like myself and then you have the ones that well.. probably should take up another hobby. I see the good sticks landing tons of kills and that's because they use good SA and make sound decisions. I strive to fly like them and there are several that do the same as me. so it is an accomplishment when we go on a run and score 5 kills and manage to return home to be shown the one message that we have been waiting for since we started flying in the DA.
If HTC removes the message from the text buffer I'm not going to be soar about it, I'm not going to piss and moan that it's been removed. I'm gonna keep flying and fighting. I think one thing that can be done is for sticks to support each other while they are in the air. If Pilot A shoots down pilot B, pilot B should at least salute pilot A. I guess I'm just a dying breed in the DA. I do care about achievements, flying with honor and using strong tactics and teamwork to deny the enemy but like I said before I'm not going to be mad if they remove it nor will it affect my game play.
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What is gained from removing kill messages? Shame from not being able to get home in the furball? If you don't care, ignore the messages. I personally feel good when people say "Good job!" when I land.
Removing all perk planes? The same thing will happen to the Spit16, as it did the Tempest when the 262s were removed.
The 3rd person view? Yeah, it is a bit cheap, but then again, the DA is a more fast-paced arcade-style arena.
That question was answered already. "We" don't care about the messages, I ignore em easily. "They" on the other hand care for nothing else. Whether you care for the "good jobs" or not is irrelevant to whether fights at the lake are quality or not.
Removing perk planes won't work either.
Third person view is a lot more arguable but not related either.
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What is gained from removing kill messages? Shame from not being able to get home in the furball? If you don't care, ignore the messages. I personally feel good when people say "Good job!" when I land.
And in every neighborhood there's that one 12 year old brags about beating the local 6 year olds at the soccer field. It doesn't mean all the high schoolers should massage the 12 year old's ego and tread lightly so as not to hurt his self esteem.
Every single time I'm in there I keep hearing people talk about how they're so great, and getting all these "WTG's!" from everyone else, yet every time I ask if anyone wants to duel, it's the same few quiet types who take me up on the offer. And why should I be suprised? There's no "glory" or "fame" to be had dueling quietly on a private field... But since when was that the point?
I'll tell you what... Let's keep the kill messages and just rename it the "Gilded Arena," it would be much more suitable on so many levels.
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I never use 3rd person. I can't do it in the MA so why use it in the DA? unless you only fly in the DA.
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Set me straight about what? It's OK that I do not completely agree with everyone. I'm just stating there are still people here who use the messages as a means of judging our performance in the DA.
Are those people amnesiac or something? There's stats kept, look those up for progress keeping as accurate as you might like.
That doesn't mean that if I am consistently scoring 5+ kills in the DA that I'm going to move the MA and get the same. It's a different style of flying and fighting but for me it's an accomplishment as it has only been in the last few weeks that I have been able to return to base at all in the DA.
Irrelevant to whether the DA lake's gameplay is in the crapper thanks in part to victory messages being too many player's only interest, at whatever cost to gameplay quality.
Try to look at it this way, you have some really good sticks in the DA and then you have the mediocre sticks like myself and then you have the ones that well.. probably should take up another hobby. I see the good sticks landing tons of kills and that's because they use good SA and make sound decisions. I strive to fly like them and there are several that do the same as me. so it is an accomplishment when we go on a run and score 5 kills and manage to return home to be shown the one message that we have been waiting for since we started flying in the DA.
The only mediocre sticks in the DA are those that don't put the fighting above everything else.
If HTC removes the message from the text buffer I'm not going to be soar about it, I'm not going to piss and moan that it's been removed. I'm gonna keep flying and fighting. I think one thing that can be done is for sticks to support each other while they are in the air. If Pilot A shoots down pilot B, pilot B should at least salute pilot A. I guess I'm just a dying breed in the DA. I do care about achievements, flying with honor and using strong tactics and teamwork to deny the enemy but like I said before I'm not going to be mad if they remove it nor will it affect my game play.
It sounds like you have the right intentions and no reason to argue against something that will remove little and add a lot to gameplay quality.
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Moot- you are correct mate. I was reading to deeply in to this whole thread..
I fly to have fun and win on an occasion. I can just as easily monitor my progress through the stats page as well as my recorded sorties as I record them all.
I think for myself at least the message was kind of a reward after the hard fought sortie. It doesn't mean that I am a score potato or that I place the message above flying it's just one of the methods that I have come accustomed to when a hard fought sortie is finished. if and when they remove it I replace the message with something else, it's not a big deal.
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Set me straight about what? It's OK that I do not completely agree with everyone. I'm just stating there are still people here who use the messages as a means of judging our performance in the DA. That doesn't mean that if I am consistently scoring 5+ kills in the DA that I'm going to move the MA and get the same. It's a different style of flying and fighting but for me it's an accomplishment as it has only been in the last few weeks that I have been able to return to base at all in the DA.
Try to look at it this way, you have some really good sticks in the DA and then you have the mediocre sticks like myself and then you have the ones that well.. probably should take up another hobby. I see the good sticks landing tons of kills and that's because they use good SA and make sound decisions. I strive to fly like them and there are several that do the same as me. so it is an accomplishment when we go on a run and score 5 kills and manage to return home to be shown the one message that we have been waiting for since we started flying in the DA.
Ciaphas, the point is, the "kills message standard" has led you to think that these guys are good sticks. By and large they aren't. In fact, they're amongst the absolute worst in this game. Taking off at furball arena, climbing up to ensure you're always higher, taking the fastest plane with the best guns possible, attacking preoccupied enemies, and running whenever one's on your six, WILL MAKE YOU A TERRIBLE PILOT.
Yet for whatever reason, the landed-kills becomes the standard. People like you think such players are "good." You're probably as eager as anyone, and have asked them how to do it. So eventually, you learn from them how to do it. Now you can do the same things they do. Now you can climb higher, take a faster plane with the best guns, attack preoccupied enemies, and "egress" when the situation gets "bad." But now you're also a terrible pilot because you have mistakenly associated a certain style with "skill."
A few months later a new guy shows up and starts emulating you. The cycle continues. Soon enough, there are arenas full of people just like the first pilot you thought was "good." It snowballs. The gameplay gets worse and worse.
If HTC removes the message from the text buffer I'm not going to be soar about it, I'm not going to piss and moan that it's been removed. I'm gonna keep flying and fighting. I think one thing that can be done is for sticks to support each other while they are in the air. If Pilot A shoots down pilot B, pilot B should at least salute pilot A. I guess I'm just a dying breed in the DA. I do care about achievements, flying with honor and using strong tactics and teamwork to deny the enemy but like I said before I'm not going to be mad if they remove it nor will it affect my game play.
It sounds like you're the sort of person who could do good things in this game, and earn some real accomplishments. But if you want to do that, you have to stop emulating the names in lights before it is too late.
:salute
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will do my best sir!
:salute
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Ciaphas, the point is, the "kills message standard" has led you to think that these guys are good sticks. By and large they aren't. In fact, they're amongst the absolute worst in this game. Taking off at furball arena, climbing up to ensure you're always higher, taking the fastest plane with the best guns possible, attacking preoccupied enemies, and running whenever one's on your six, WILL MAKE YOU A TERRIBLE PILOT.
Yet for whatever reason, the landed-kills becomes the standard. People like you think such players are "good." You're probably as eager as anyone, and have asked them how to do it. So eventually, you learn from them how to do it. Now you can do the same things they do. Now you can climb higher, take a faster plane with the best guns, attack preoccupied enemies, and "egress" when the situation gets "bad." But now you're also a terrible pilot because you have mistakenly associated a certain style with "skill."
A few months later a new guy shows up and starts emulating you. The cycle continues. Soon enough, there are arenas full of people just like the first pilot you thought was "good." It snowballs. The gameplay gets worse and worse.
It sounds like you're the sort of person who could do good things in this game, and earn some real accomplishments. But if you want to do that, you have to stop emulating the names in lights before it is too late.
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This.
I was about to respond to Ciaphas' post, but you summed up my thoughts very well, Vudak.
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Actually that is the fly in the ointment on this wish. As it is now, if you disable "name in lights" in the arena setup, it also disables "you shot down ----"/"---- shot you down"
If that's the trade-off, then I'm for it. You can always ask over channel 1 or 200 who you were fighting.... While it's not perfect, having no kill messages and no landing messages will be better than having both. At least in my opinion.
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Would swapping the "you killed ##" with something like you shot down "Model aircraft" work better?
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As a matter of fact we've tossed that idea around before..
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,253797.0.html
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I have the solution:
Disable Landing in the DA.
Air starts, no terrain.
:noid
wrongway
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Alternate idea: Seperate DA into Furball, and Dueling, 1 Arena for Furballs, with 3rd Person, Landing, Stats, etc. And a Dueling Arena, where its MA rules, Air Starts, and no fields.
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Actually that is the fly in the ointment on this wish. As it is now, if you disable "name in lights" in the arena setup, it also disables "you shot down ----"/"---- shot you down"
That would be fine, but I thought if you squelched channel 5 or 6 it would disable all landing message on your client? I forget if the channel is 5 or 6, one of them is landing messages and one is the <salute> channel.
If they allow you to squelch landing messages, it should be very easy to do it for everyone in the DA.
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Alternate idea: Seperate DA into Furball, and Dueling, 1 Arena for Furballs, with 3rd Person, Landing, Stats, etc. And a Dueling Arena, where its MA rules, Air Starts, and no fields.
The Furball Lake is like a mini-MA. That's what bugs people about it. If you want to fly like the alt-monkeys, ho'ers, pickers, etc, then go where the alt-monkeys, ho'ers, pickers, etc are. Which is in the MA.
The Dueling Arena is supposed to be a place without any of the above.
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Ciaphas, the point is, the "kills message standard" has led you to think that these guys are good sticks. By and large they aren't. In fact, they're amongst the absolute worst in this game. Taking off at furball arena, climbing up to ensure you're always higher, taking the fastest plane with the best guns possible, attacking preoccupied enemies, and running whenever one's on your six, WILL MAKE YOU A TERRIBLE PILOT.
Yet for whatever reason, the landed-kills becomes the standard. People like you think such players are "good." You're probably as eager as anyone, and have asked them how to do it. So eventually, you learn from them how to do it. Now you can do the same things they do. Now you can climb higher, take a faster plane with the best guns, attack preoccupied enemies, and "egress" when the situation gets "bad." But now you're also a terrible pilot because you have mistakenly associated a certain style with "skill."
A few months later a new guy shows up and starts emulating you. The cycle continues. Soon enough, there are arenas full of people just like the first pilot you thought was "good." It snowballs. The gameplay gets worse and worse.
Great post. Sums it up very nicely.
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Try to look at it this way, you have some really good sticks in the DA
Ciaphas, there are no "really good sticks" in the DA furball pond. If I can land 7 kill sorties in the P-40E there without rearming, then it's just laughable, because I'm nothing special.
You are hurting yourself if you remain there longer than what's required to learn gunnery skills, because target practice is all it's good for. Occasionally you see people there who know a thing or two, and they're usually practicing their next FSO ride to get hang of the ballistics; it's so easy to find something to shoot at.