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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: LYNX on March 02, 2009, 08:50:03 AM
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Tootting around in a Mossie I comes across a couple that said
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc288/lynx-AH/NICET.jpg)
and
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc288/lynx-AH/bodhi.jpg)
I was a bit :huh To which I replied "U R mistaken" and asked if they would like the films. However, they persisted with :furious ....... so here's the screenies
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc288/lynx-AH/NICETsWrong.jpg)
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(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc288/lynx-AH/NICETsWrong4.jpg)
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc288/lynx-AH/NICETsWrong2.jpg)
This one shows he couldn't get guns as he so vehemently protested. Please note the view sliders are in the default position. So no making it look good for me self. :P
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Hello Lynx,
No confusion here Sir, that was definitely a high angle deflection shot. This is a perfect example of why channel 200 is not good for the state of gameplay in AH. Both complainers show little or no manners and certainly no understanding of what occurred. Maybe they could add etiquette classes to the TA for those that can't control their mouths...
Have a great day,
Way
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(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc288/lynx-AH/Bohdiwrong.jpg)
external profile of the head on :rofl
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc288/lynx-AH/Bohdiwrong2.jpg)
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc288/lynx-AH/Bohdiwrong3.jpg)
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc288/lynx-AH/Bohdiwrong5.jpg)
In this last screemie although you can't see it, his rudder is departing company from the rest of the plane :D
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc288/lynx-AH/bodfile.jpg)
Yes please. I double dog dare ya :rofl
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Hes right, you are a HO fool. :lol
I had do a shot like that but coming up to my eny and nail him. He called me a HOer. Dam crybabies.
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Icing for the cake....from 3 days ago for these.....you guessed it.....squadies :rofl
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc288/lynx-AH/bodhiram.jpg)
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good clean front quarter shots love em :D
and oh god is that the original mclovin? we are now rooks for 2 months. :aok
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Well Lynx stop HOing from behind...... :D
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hmm this seems strangely familiar :noid
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Hell I wouldn't even call the second one a Ho he had no guns on you at that point. A few more seconds though & it would have from my perspective.
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As I have often said "One mans head on is another mans high deflection shot" This was not a head on obviously some people like to give excuses why they were shot down rather than admit you made a clean kill.
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A lot of Head-On complaints are dependent on the point-of-view of the user's front end. I think it frequently happens that from the shooter's point-of-view, it's a front quarter shot, while from the victim's front end it's much closer to nose-to-nose.
It also happens that the shooter will say it's not a Head-On because the intended victim tried to avoid the Head-On. I had a fight with Joey's P-51D (of tonyjoey) in a 38L the other day, and he tried for the Head-On shot in the initial merge. I tried to avoid the Head-On, took a ping, and went on to shoot him down. Then I asked "why did you HO on the initial merge?" He answered "I didn't HO, that was a front quarter shot." Yeah, only because I didn't try to HO too. :lol :rolleyes:
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It also happens that the shooter will say it's not a Head-On because the intended victim tried to avoid the Head-On.
Prisoner's Dilemma ;)
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Prisoner's Dilemma ;)
Yes, it is to an extent. However, the Head-On can be properly avoided with advantage provided that you are not at too great an energy deficit, i.e. try to avoid a HO-crazy N1K if you're only doing 150mph and he's at 225mph. :lol
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The question you've yet to answer, is was this the first merge?
If it was the first merge it's (IMO) poor form to take the shot... But if this all happened during the course of the fight, I don't really know what Bodhi expects.
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A lot of Head-On complaints are dependent on the point-of-view of the user's front end. I think it frequently happens that from the shooter's point-of-view, it's a front quarter shot, while from the victim's front end it's much closer to nose-to-nose.
It also happens that the shooter will say it's not a Head-On because the intended victim tried to avoid the Head-On. I had a fight with Joey's P-51D (of tonyjoey) in a 38L the other day, and he tried for the Head-On shot in the initial merge. I tried to avoid the Head-On, took a ping, and went on to shoot him down. Then I asked "why did you HO on the initial merge?" He answered "I didn't HO, that was a front quarter shot." Yeah, only because I didn't try to HO too. :lol :rolleyes:
Although you make a valid point I can assure you neither of these 2 tried any such thing. They were both 2 turn kills and I'm convinced the LA5 has stall limiter on. If not, he was so full throttle trying to get lead it worked overwhelmingly to my advantage. :salute
P.S I must subscribe to one of those sites to upload films. :devil
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The question you've yet to answer, is was this the first merge?
If it was the first merge it's (IMO) poor form to take the shot... But if this all happened during the course of the fight, I don't really know what Bodhi expects.
Both were 2 turn kills.
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Both were 2 turn kills.
Then what's to worry about :)
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Everything is a HO in the AHII world! :)
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Buggery!.....and there's more. Wish I had seen this before page 1 was full.
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc288/lynx-AH/bodfile.jpg)
As a matter of fact I would love to see the file. I double dog dare ya :rofl
EDIT I still had time to modify front page.....and posted
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Just an observation.
Considering Lynx is in Eropeland and Bodhi is in Americaland the combined lag could be in excess of 300. That my friends makes for a bit of a difference in views of the fight.
Something to ponder.
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Just an observation.
Considering Lynx is in Eropeland and Bodhi is in Americaland the combined lag could be in excess of 300. That my friends makes for a bit of a difference in views of the fight.
Something to ponder.
but wouldn't their views each be recorded if they autofilm? would they have two differing view on those films? thanks for the info. :) i'm new.
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but wouldn't their views each be recorded if they autofilm? would they have two differing view on those films? thanks for the info. :) i'm new.
How can Lynx film his opponents front end when there is a 300 delay? We each have our own view of whats going on. That's why there is so much consternation on the collision model/front 1/4 shots/ being hit from impossible angles.
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Just an observation.
Considering Lynx is in Eropeland and Bodhi is in Americaland the combined lag could be in excess of 300. That my friends makes for a bit of a difference in views of the fight.
Something to ponder.
A note worthy comment except for the fact that "lag" isn't really an issue from me to the USA. Otherwise the thing you hint at would arise daily. Besides "lag" would only effect where in space the 2 of us would be...not the angle of attack :)
I look forward to Bodhi's film that no doubt is deleted / corrupt / what ever.
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A note worthy comment except for the fact that "lag" isn't really an issue from me to the USA. Otherwise the thing you hint at would arise daily. Besides "lag" would only effect where in space the 2 of us would be...not the angle of attack :)
I look forward to Bodhi's film that no doubt is deleted / corrupt / what ever.
It's not just "YOUR" lag it is the combined lag, between you and your opponent. Have you have gotten a kill message 3 seconds or so after you fired on an opponent? How far ahead would your opponent 3 seconds after you fired?
Like I said just an observation and no accusations.
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I look forward to Bodhi's film that no doubt is deleted / corrupt / what ever.
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|------- what i was referring to on previous post. if bodhis film would show a different angle because of lag, hence two different screenies at one particular instance in time.
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but wouldn't their views each be recorded if they autofilm? would they have two differing view on those films? thanks for the info. :) i'm new.
If intardnet lag was the issue. What you would see is the victims film seeing bullets miss his plane but his plane recording hits. On his film the shot looks to have been taken after the victim (he) passes the shooters gun solution.
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Bronk may not be accurate concerning 'lag' but he is correct that your two films may show very different views of the fight. Why else do you think people never quite 'get' the collisions? or the worse thing I have seen is a F6F firing 600 yards behind me and my tail falls off. :huh
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If intardnet lag was the issue. What you would see is the victims film seeing bullets miss his plane but his plane recording hits. On his film the shot looks to have been taken after the victim (he) passes the shooters gun solution.
i think that's indeed a viable explanation. now for the theory to be tested, i'd like for bodhi to please post screenies for my education. =) please!
lynx, judging from your posts you are indeed back and have gotten well or "betterer." glad to have you back here in ah2 virtualand.
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So, let me get this right......It doesn't matter where you shoot them at now, Its a Ho! geeez what is becoming of this game,Love it when they come straight at you and you have to shoot in defense and your always the Ho!!!!! That is a perfect example why I turned 200 off......so now they can cry to people who don't really care :D
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If intardnet lag was the issue. What you would see is the victims film seeing bullets miss his plane but his plane recording hits. On his film the shot looks to have been taken after the victim (he) passes the shooters gun solution.
That's what happens.
I've experienced getting killed well after the merge.
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Oops, sorry about CAPS........... :D
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc288/lynx-AH/bodhiram.jpg)
This is one of those arguments that will never end and nothing can ever be done about it........ But I will say this... Has LYNX ever ho'd somebody? Of Course! Haven't we all? But to sit around and call one of the better sticks nothing but a ho'er......... That's just plain ole silly.
And quite honestly, the dead pilot has PTSD in the tower. And will always "remember" it in a way that will make them feel a little better about their bad abilities.
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From the trainers site.
"Impossible" Shots
Another phenomenon caused by lag is taking hits from "impossible" angles or even after the attacker has already passed you. While more of an annoyance than a contentious issue, understanding how it happens can help you defend against it.
As already discussed, lag causes a different reality on different front-ends. This difference in reality can allow an attacker to shoot when the defender thinks he is safely outside the attacker's line of fire. Unlike collisions, if you opponent scores hits on your plane on his front end, the damage caused by those hits is assessed against your plane. Again we are only talking 1/10’s of seconds and a few extra feet of maneuver space, but it still may be the difference between having a shot opportunity and not having one. This is also how you can get shot after you have passed. Once the host receives hit data from Player 2's front-end, it sends the pings and damage to your front-end - all after you saw your opponent pass you!
This has been described as being like you are towing a target behind you. You can't see it but the enemy can and, if the enemy shoots the target, you take the hits! You can defend against this, though, by paying attention and getting a feel for the angles that people can get hits on you. Once you know this, you adjust your thinking accordingly.
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A lot of Head-On complaints are dependent on the point-of-view of the user's front end. I think it frequently happens that from the shooter's point-of-view, it's a front quarter shot, while from the victim's front end it's much closer to nose-to-nose.
Just an observation.
Considering Lynx is in Eropeland and Bodhi is in Americaland the combined lag could be in excess of 300. That my friends makes for a bit of a difference in views of the fight.
Something to ponder.
:)
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:)
See, we do think more alike than we both care to admit. ;)
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I don't remember flying last night. So likely I was intoxicated. Apologies to you if I was rude.
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The only people that complain about the HO are the ones that lost.
EVERYTIME.
Why not HO - it's natural and fun!
The thing I CAN'T STAND is the ram or I'LL GET YOU with the HO or RAM you to death, either way!
AKA the spit 16 dweeb d
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It's the way of the world for the mediocre to try to bring everything down to their level.
This isn't an ankle hump, but Lynxs' gameplay and more importantly manners in game are beyond reproach from what I've seen.
To slight someone is easy - but why would you get personal?
What grain of malice would compel you put that on 200?
If you were that out of shape, send a pm - act and communicate - dare I say it "man to man".
Sledging on 200 comes accross with little respect and no credibility.
As said, this isn't lower leg rape, I just loathe lack of manners.
Anyway life (real and virtual) goes on.
What species of Lemming goes anywhere near the savage end of a mossie anyway?
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Why not HO - it's natural and fun!
The thing I CAN'T STAND is the ram or I'LL GET YOU with the HO or RAM you to death, either way!
AKA the spit 16 dweeb d
:huh
:lol
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Tootting around in a Mossie I comes across a couple that said
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc288/lynx-AH/NICET.jpg)
and
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc288/lynx-AH/bodhi.jpg)
I was a bit :huh To which I replied "U R mistaken" and asked if they would like the films. However, they persisted with :furious ....... so here's the screenies
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc288/lynx-AH/NICETsWrong.jpg)
Lynx, honestly, posting this and winning the argument is like winning a race in the Special Olympics.
Sure, you won.
But you beat a...
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The question you've yet to answer, is was this the first merge?
If it was the first merge it's (IMO) poor form to take the shot... But if this all happened during the course of the fight, I don't really know what Bodhi expects.
Doesnt matter in this situation hes got bombs on his plane, he aint planning to dogfight anyone
LYNX, why is your mossie engine smoking aye you been ho people again :D LYNX is a great pilot he waxed me the other day in a yak I just couldnt get my kis flaps out but he was still gettin behind me somehow :huh
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I had a fight with Joey's P-51D (of tonyjoey) in a 38L the other day, and he tried for the Head-On shot in the initial merge. I tried to avoid the Head-On, took a ping, and went on to shoot him down. Then I asked "why did you HO on the initial merge?" He answered "I didn't HO, that was a front quarter shot." Yeah, only because I didn't try to HO too. :lol :rolleyes:
I'm surprised at TJ...he's been doing a lot of HO'ing lately in his 51D. Not his normal MO.
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I don't remember flying last night. So likely I was intoxicated. Apologies to you if I was rude.
Nice save.
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From the trainers site.
"Impossible" Shots
Another phenomenon caused by lag is taking hits from "impossible" angles or even after the attacker has already passed you. While more of an annoyance than a contentious issue, understanding how it happens can help you defend against it.
As already discussed, lag causes a different reality on different front-ends. This difference in reality can allow an attacker to shoot when the defender thinks he is safely outside the attacker's line of fire. Unlike collisions, if you opponent scores hits on your plane on his front end, the damage caused by those hits is assessed against your plane. Again we are only talking 1/10’s of seconds and a few extra feet of maneuver space, but it still may be the difference between having a shot opportunity and not having one. This is also how you can get shot after you have passed. Once the host receives hit data from Player 2's front-end, it sends the pings and damage to your front-end - all after you saw your opponent pass you!
This has been described as being like you are towing a target behind you. You can't see it but the enemy can and, if the enemy shoots the target, you take the hits! You can defend against this, though, by paying attention and getting a feel for the angles that people can get hits on you. Once you know this, you adjust your thinking accordingly.
Also what may appear to be an impossible shot during the heat of the moment really isn't. The other night I would have sworn that Grizz shot me from an impossible angle, yet when I went back and reviewed MY film of the encounter it was obvious that he pulled the proper amount of lead and killed me fair and square.
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I don't remember flying last night. So likely I was intoxicated. Apologies to you if I was rude.
Good of you to come on 200 and apologise. Anyways....game on :salute
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What species of Lemming goes anywhere near the savage end of a mossie anyway?
best sentance of the thread :D I will tell you the answer.... ALL of them.
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Lynx, honestly, posting this and winning the argument is like winning a race in the Special Olympics.
Sure, you won.
But you beat a...
Still after my ankle I see...
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Good of you to come on 200 and apologise. Anyways....game on :salute
Regardless if I remember doing it or not, if I was being an arse to ya and you did nothing to cause it you deserved the apology. It's the right thing to do.
Take care and see ya's up. <S>
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Regardless if I remember doing it or not, if I was being an arse to ya and you did nothing to cause it you deserved the apology. It's the right thing to do.
Take care and see ya's up. <S>
yea but lynx shouldve had that DAMM DINNER READY WHEN YOU GOT HOME!!!!!! :mad: WORK ALL DAY AND ITS HIS FAULT HE MAKES YOU HURT HIM!!! :furious :lol
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i love ho ppl whine about ho'ing. but every enemy fighter i have come across have done this.
plus it did happen in ww2 so if you cant get out the way. dont whine.
and Lynx would never ho. iv flown with him a few time and watched him alot so i can learn. never seen him ho yet.
<S> Lynx
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What's the point of this thread?
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What species of Lemming goes anywhere near the savage end of a mossie anyway?
I'm guessing it's the same guy that goes head to head with my IL-2. He probably also wonders what happened to his plane after getting hit by the 37mm cannons.