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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Swoop on March 09, 2009, 04:51:16 AM
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This leaflet was recently pushed through a large number of letterboxes in Luton, GB.
And all I have to say about it would a) appear mainly as censored content and b) would probably get me banned for a month so I'll just let you all imagine the red mist that's floating around my head right now.
I'm also very glad I don't live in Luton or know anyone that does cos this is gonna get very nasty very soon.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-8/48257/Leaflet.jpg)
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Its a shame how bad its getting over there. I feel for ya Swoop.
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A "clever" man would put out flyers in all the local pubs in Luton (and surrounding areas) informing all the local football hooligans that there is a rally celebrating their teams awesomness in Luton Town square on Tue. March 12th.
Don't forget putting in the flyer "FREE Chicken Tikka Masala and Fullers".
Show up early for a good seat and enjoy the show.
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We had a group of young men here in the states a couple of years ago who planned to stage some kind of attack on a military base in New Jersey. However they were arrested in May 2007 after a 14-month investigation in which two people working for the FBI infiltrated the group and obtained hundreds of hours of audio and video recordings of the men plotting an attack. I don't think they've made any of the audio or video available to the public yet, but I wouldn't be suprised if we heard the same kind of logic used by them as what we see in the document you posted.
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Funny, you don't see those same Muslims Complaining about the Taliban killing totally innocent women, and children in Afghanistan! For all their talk of peace, those who follow Islam have always increased their area of control, and their flock with the direct use of violence. All too often history has shown us that captives would be lined up, tied, on their knees and given the choice. Convert or die.
They preach peace only so long as it suits their needs. And when it no longer does they preach Jihad.
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presumably they will also be staging mass demonstrations against the (also Muslim) Jihadis who are murdering, killing and massacring the innocent people of Basra :rolleyes:
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36000 is a big number, why havnt we heard of this type of atrocity in the states, kinda makes me think if it actually happened or no, I know some of the news networks cant wait to hear about something like this to show the war is doing more harm then good
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there were "skinhead" groups in GB when we lived there in the early 70's ...
it is my hope they show up to "discuss" the leaflets with anyone who shows up to protest the soldiers return...
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For all their talk of peace, those who follow Islam have always increased their area of control, and their flock with the direct use of violence. All too often history has shown us that captives would be lined up, tied, on their knees and given the choice. Convert or die.
They preach peace only so long as it suits their needs. And when it no longer does they preach Jihad.
Yeah, because we know the history of Christianity has set SO much better of an example. You know, what with the Inquisition and torture and stake-burnings and all.
This is why I follow NO religion. The whole lot is nothing but a gang of hypocrites looking down their noses at every other religion and ignoring the reality of their own faith.
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36000 is a big number, why havnt we heard of this type of atrocity in the states
It's 36,000 ROUNDS fired, not 36,000 killed. 36,000/200=180 rounds fired per soldier. That document was written by someone spinning things their way, for all we know that figure could include ammo used for practice/training.
Now go turn your stall limiter back off :noid
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It's 36,000 ROUNDS fired, not 36,000 killed. 36,000/200=180 rounds fired per soldier. That document was written by someone spinning things their way, for all we know that figure could include ammo used for practice/training.
Now go turn your stall limiter back off :noid
LOL but I cant spiral climb people anymore and thats the only move I know :D, but 36,000 is a big number in rounds, only takes 1 round to kill someone and if they included mortar rounds in there then thats even worse. But I think your right something is fishy about that documet :noid
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... 36,000 is a big number in rounds, only takes 1 round to kill someone ...
"supressive fire." using a Minimi can really trash your Hit% ;)
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On average 180 rounds per trooper...Sorry but I have shot more than that in a session down at the range getting various weapons dialed in tight and then making sure that the others are still in good working order...or just shooting for the hell of it.
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Stop referring to that spurious piece of gutter rubbish as a "document".
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Yeah, because we know the history of Christianity has set SO much better of an example. You know, what with the Inquisition and torture and stake-burnings and all.
This is why I follow NO religion. The whole lot is nothing but a gang of hypocrites looking down their noses at every other religion and ignoring the reality of their own faith.
I think you can tack on the American sense of "Manifest Destiny" here too. It was used as an excuse to effectively do to the Native Americans what was done to the Jews. I'd have to check my dates again, but from what I recall we gave women the right to vote before we classified Native Americans as human. "Hey, God says we can expand ocean to ocean- the native's will just have to assimilate or die..."
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The people that are responsible for that flyer should be hanged for treason. :salute
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They are more than welcome to protest at the parade, it makes it easier for intelligence services to identify potential terrorists and their supporters.
I'm more concerned that the real IRA shot and executed two unarmed soldiers on saturday evening to try and derail the peace process. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7931260.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7931260.stm)
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I think you can tack on the American sense of "Manifest Destiny" here too. It was used as an excuse to effectively do to the Native Americans what was done to the Jews. I'd have to check my dates again, but from what I recall we gave women the right to vote before we classified Native Americans as human. "Hey, God says we can expand ocean to ocean- the native's will just have to assimilate or die..."
Women where given the right to vote in 1917, or 1918.
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Doesn't matter if your right wing, left wing, center right or left and right! Anyone who can should turn up to protest this, this isn't about freedom of speech, this is about respecting the country you live in.
Is it any wonder that the forces in Helmand are picking up Insurgent voices with brummie or yorkshire accents?
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I FEEL FOR YOU GUYS OVER THERE.
i can't say any more without getting myself banned here......... :furious
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bbs suicide? :rofl
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Perhaps you could take said document to the powder room crumple said document and use it in place of tissue. Do a little research and return said document to the originator's mail box. After all, you also have a right to express your opinion. :cool: :t
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When I went home last month on R&R from here I flew in my uniform. I received dirty looks and some nasty comments in Germany, Ireland, and in the States. But I just smile knowing I do what I do so those people can have their say. Ive received nasty letters from the States. But it only takes one letter, care package, or a handshake from someone to make up for all the negative things these people do to us. The kindness of those back home sticks in our minds. The negative actions are just another thing we let slide off.
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When I went home last month on R&R from here I flew in my uniform. I received dirty looks and some nasty comments in Germany, Ireland, and in the States. But I just smile knowing I do what I do so those people can have their say. Ive received nasty letters from the States. But it only takes one letter, care package, or a handshake from someone to make up for all the negative things these people do to us. The kindness of those back home sticks in our minds. The negative actions are just another thing we let slide off.
:salute
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While I wholeheartedly agree with swoop--I do not think this thread will end well.
ROX
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Oh man, now we're bringing religion arguments into this? Get real. You can type to your hearts desire for why or why not you believe in who or what or don't at all. You're wasting precious bytes of bandwidth. Frankly, no one cares.
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When I went home last month on R&R from here I flew in my uniform. I received dirty looks and some nasty comments in Germany, Ireland, and in the States. But I just smile knowing I do what I do so those people can have their say. Ive received nasty letters from the States. But it only takes one letter, care package, or a handshake from someone to make up for all the negative things these people do to us. The kindness of those back home sticks in our minds. The negative actions are just another thing we let slide off.
There will always be people who don't understand reality. However--
Many grateful people appreciate your courage and recognize you and all of our folks in uniform's service. :salute
Thank you very much!
ROX
EDIT: typo
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1. Excercise your freedom of speech with a rebuttal to distribute if you really think that people are going to be marching in the streets by the thousands over this.
2. IN
That is all.
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Don't know why the rest of the world can't say what they actually think.. Yet, these scumbags can pin up nonsense such as this where ever they please....
Why is the rest of the modern world shooting itself in the foot over several back-ward thinking nations spread throughout the world??
We have to combat this from a point of view that surpasses politics or religion....
What have these people done for the good of mankind in the last 200 years? There are in fact some significant things that areas of the world now under the
influence of Islam have done in the distant past.. But in recent times, nothing has come from these people but problems.. They are "prideful" pariah states, eager to fight, slow to learn, but
willing to take a handout from anyone willing.. They have accomplished nothing for themselves or anyone else..
It is completely unrealistic for these people to desire being equals if they choose to retain this way of life in a foreign country.. What are the reasons for leaving their respective countries
where they can practice Islam to their hearts content? Let me guess: Food, Jobs, Education, a little freedom and civility perhaps?
If you want these things, you must live how you want them.. That means leaving and old way of life that they led in their country of origin and living life like normal productive
citizens of the world.. Then, and only then will I respect these people and listen to what they have to say....
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Funny, you don't see those same Muslims Complaining about the Taliban killing totally innocent women, and children in Afghanistan!
"Don't say we're violent, or we'll kill you."
Best of luck to those men and women coming home, they're in for a rough ride...
Sound similar at all to the treatment of US soldiers after Vietnam?
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"Don't say we're violent, or we'll kill you."
Best of luck to those men and women coming home, they're in for a rough ride...
Sound similar at all to the treatment of US soldiers after Vietnam?
Oh man, now I want to go watch that Rambo movie where he f's up the love muffin cops that treat him like dirt when he's passing through their town after coming home. Was it Rambo: First Blood?
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Any muslim who stands in our way is going to get farked in the end. Thats how they see it, so thas how we will end up seeing it. Unless they get their hands on lots of nukes, they dont stand a chance.
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Yeah, because we know the history of Christianity has set SO much better of an example. You know, what with the Inquisition and torture and stake-burnings and all.
This is why I follow NO religion. The whole lot is nothing but a gang of hypocrites looking down their noses at every other religion and ignoring the reality of their own faith.
People are just people no matter what or who they follow. The simple fact is that man is man's worst enemy. People use their belieifs to justify their cause in every facet of life not just religion.The simple truth about Christianity is many things done in the name of God was actually done in contradiction to what the Bible says . The problem isn't God. The problem lies in man and man alone. I'm sure you would consider yourself to be a good all around person but compared to what? Is there hypocrisy in your life? My bet is yes because deep down we are all hypocrites. We call people liars but we tell lies,. We call people racists but we all have some form of racism in us. The list goes on. Their is an old saying and it comes from the Bible. "Don't judge another man until you walk a mile in the shoes"
I know plenty of Christians who walk the walk and I know plenty who let themselves betray their beliefs by their actions.
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People are just people no matter what or who they follow. The simple fact is that man is man's worst enemy. People use their belieifs to justify their cause in every facet of life not just religion.The simple truth about Christianity is many things done in the name of God was actually done in contradiction to what the Bible says . The problem isn't God. The problem lies in man and man alone. I'm sure you would consider yourself to be a good all around person but compared to what? Is there hypocrisy in your life? My bet is yes because deep down we are all hypocrites. We call people liars but we tell lies,. We call people racists but we all have some form of racism in us. The list goes on. Their is an old saying and it comes from the Bible. "Don't judge another man until you walk a mile in the shoes"
I know plenty of Christians who walk the walk and I know plenty who let themselves betray their beliefs by their actions.
BP, that's the point I was trying to make. People railing about Islam is nothing more than a case of "Pot calling the kettle."
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This is all so stupid, if british wont stand up and fight to keep what they hold dear, its safe to say the arabs deserve a new land mass.
If all they have to do is get a passport buy a house and mess up your way of life, i say its YOU who doesn't stand a chance.
Right now there is almost* more brown in the UK than white, what happend?
"Freedom happend, you gave them freedom and now they are using it to choke a nation off."
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Any muslim who stands in our way is going to get farked in the end. Thats how they see it, so thas how we will end up seeing it. Unless they get their hands on lots of nukes, they dont stand a chance.
In not too many years they (compassionate Muslims) will be a voting majority in your country, and you won't be able to do squat about it. Being nice to many folks in this world is just putting forth weakness, which they will laughingly exploit
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Right now there is almost* more brown in the UK than white, what happend?
It ain't about colour. I know plenty of black, brown and all shades in between and I don't see colour as an issue. I even dated a half-Jamaican girl, sure my Grandmother was spinning in her grave but it's still not about colour.
It's not even about religion, you can say it is and the extremists will say it is but, again, I know plenty of Muslims who're fine people. I used to work with a guy who wore the full noddy suit all the time, spoke with the strongest Gloucester accent you can imagine (imagine farmer Giles). Great bloke. He used to tell me his cousin (girl) would wear the full birka all the time and whenever he could he'd make oriental noises at her and shout "Hoooooaaar Ninja!"
It ain't about colour. It ain't about religion. It's about intollerant extremists who seem to think the world is stuck in the 19th century. And, unfortunately, they are plentiful and have had many centurys of practice at being *******s.
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if this were true you think theyd be scard to go and actually protest
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It ain't about colour. It ain't about religion. It's about intollerant extremists who seem to think the world is stuck in the 19th century. And, unfortunately, they are plentiful and have had many centurys of practice at being *******s.
The thing that everyone in this thread is forgetting is that Islam doesn't have a monopoly on those intolerant extremists. We STILL have whack-jobs running around in white bedsheets while burning crosses on people's lawns. :rolleyes:
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He used to tell me his cousin (girl) would wear the full birka all the time and whenever he could he'd make oriental noises at her and shout "Hoooooaaar Ninja!"
:rofl
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yeah saxman & swoop i agree fully, nor did i mean anything against anyone whos not* white.
I guess everyone has they're wack jobs.
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The thing that everyone in this thread is forgetting is that Islam doesn't have a monopoly on those intolerant extremists. We STILL have whack-jobs running around in white bedsheets while burning crosses on people's lawns. :rolleyes:
We don't have any of them down here anymore. Think they all moved North.
I remember about 15 years ago we had 3 of them standing on Main Street here in Springhill [small town of about 8,000 in north Louisiana] and watching all the teenagers drive by laughing and yelling at them. They didn't stay too long.
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In not too many years they (compassionate Muslims) will be a voting majority in your country, and you won't be able to do squat about it. Being nice to many folks in this world is just putting forth weakness, which they will laughingly exploit
It's not my country anymore, I just was born here and currently still stuck here.
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I suspect that these are same folks who think driving a bus full explosives into a crowded market and kill as many as they can is justified? These brave "Tommies" deserve to get the full honor they deserve period.
I always get a kick from some of my fellow Americans who love to paint our mistakes in the past as if they are still happening today, justice has a funny way of emerging just ask the indians in Oklahoma who were put on "useless" land that was one of the biggest oil fields in America. I can't seem to remember when the Christains last beheaded a daughter or wife for some religious infraction, but then we can always drag up the inquisition even tho that happened hundreds of years ago.
The funny thing about "agenda's" is that the facts rarely have any bearing on the retoric, here in America if you love your country and stand up for it you are abt to get some very hard lables put on ya.
To me it is sorta like the anti-aborsionist's who were killing planned parenthood doctors :confused:
To say that this rag of a poster is not about "religion" is just not true, it is about 100's of years of sething about "Richard" the Lion hearts rampage in the Holy Land (hence the referance to crusade). These extremists exist in all reglions but most do not act upon it like our jihadist friends.
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This thread is going to get the old rule #14 lock tomorrow.
Sad really, this kind of conversation is what is needed in the world.
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I've seen footage of a 17 yo girl and 18yo boy being stoned to death in a public square just because their religions conflicted and forbid them to be in love... I dont want to be part of the same spieces, it has nothing to do with country or religion or even politics. Any attrocity we see commited today is sure to be less than those our own countries once took part in. I here by revoke my claim to be part of the human race. If anyone wants me i'll be sitting under a tree eating the fleas out of my back hair. Seems like a more worthwhile evolutionary trait than humanity has ever developed. Human existance is just as much a game as aces high....when we first started bending the rules to elevate animal humanity into its current state...well...really those were the first haxxors and we have been finding ways to cheat ever since. At the end of the day we are still animals, and very capable of acting like animals no matter how far we think we have come from the jungles and oceans.
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I've seen footage of a 17 yo girl and 18yo boy being stoned to death in a public square just because their religions conflicted and forbid them to be in love... I dont want to be part of the same spieces, it has nothing to do with country or religion or even politics. Any attrocity we see commited today is sure to be less than those our own countries once took part in. I here by revoke my claim to be part of the human race. If anyone wants me i'll be sitting under a tree eating the fleas out of my back hair. Seems like a more worthwhile evolutionary trait than humanity has ever developed. Human existance is just as much a game as aces high....when we first started bending the rules to elevate animal humanity into its current state...well...really those were the first haxxors and we have been finding ways to cheat ever since. At the end of the day we are still animals, and very capable of acting like animals no matter how far we think we have come from the jungles and oceans.
Shrink ----------> that way
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I'm sorry moot, I did not realise the blunt truth would mess you up so badly. Let me pay half your sessions costs.
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:lol
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the UN passed a motion last week(brought to the table by 50+ nations..none of them democracies..you can guess what theocracy)..seeking to have it become a binding clause this summer,that to be an upstanding member of the UN,your country must pass laws that make it illegal to criticize Islam,or you lose your place in the UN.
How dare they!
This is what happens when you allow Sharia Law(like in England)..There is no appeasing these people and no limit with which they can be offended.
People are taking away our right to free speach,and they're doing it without much of a fight from the other side.
They demand this,yet are they ever charged for holding signs in the streets of London,Toronto and Washington calling for the murder of those who "offend" them?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRb2OKPBswM
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It's not my country anymore, I just was born here and currently still stuck here.
I feel your pain brother. My parents migrated from Europe after WW2 to have a future. They went to Canada where I was born. I was 1 when my parents moved to the US. They fully embraced the country and became citizens. I have lived here all my life and want to continue to do so. However as of late this country has unfortunately turned into something that may never reverse. People wanted change....... What change did they want? To be ruled by big government? There use to be opportunity here but that maybe a mere memory. I have owned a business for 25 years that maybe so taxed that it won't make sense to continue to do business. We also have to constantly fight for our Constitution that is endlessly being undermined by political groups and fools that want to turn the populace into robots that have go to the government for everything. I really never thought I would say it but my thoughts are that if this country continues to spiral downward I may consider leaving. I watch quite a bit of commentary on the nations condition. From everything I have heard is that it will get much worse. Now how much worse nobody knows. It could be that if things get so bad that people start to rebel , marshal law could be enforced. Heck, this administration wants to slowly remove guns from our hands. I still have a Canadian passport and believe me if it does get super bad here and people start leaving that I would imagine that Canada and Mexico would close their borders for no citizens. Now I hope it never turns to that but never say never. I have the RV all stocked up ready at anytime to lets say go on a long vacation.
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Here's what happened today:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7935126.stm (video)
Angry scenes have accompanied a march of more than 200 soldiers through a Bedfordshire town centre to mark their return from Iraq. It happened as the 2nd Battalion The Royal Anglian Regiment, known as the Poachers, paraded through Luton. Anti-war protesters held placards saying "Anglian Soldiers Go To Hell" and "Butchers of Basra".
The Homecoming Parade, organised by the borough council, marks the regiment's second tour of Iraq in past two years. Two lines of police officers protected the anti-war protesters from a large number of locals, some waving Union and St George's flags. Police dogs and riot vans were also called to the scene to keep the two sides apart. As the soldiers reached Luton Town Hall the small group of protesters shouted "Terrorists" and "Anglian Soliders Go to Hell".
The protesters then had to be protected by police as supporters of the soldiers turned on them shouting "Scum" and "No surrender to the Taleban."
Luton's Mayor Councillor Lakhbir Singh said: "The Royal Anglian Regiment was given freedom of the town some years ago and we are proud to welcome them back."
The battalion, currently based at Celle near Hanover in Germany, recruits from several areas including Northamptonshire, Hertfordshire, Bedfordshire, Leicestershire and Lincolnshire.
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with thrila on the N ireland cops getting whacked.
Not one copper has been killed in 12 years there. Now when it is all quiet and most of the army presence gone, the gun usage toned down, the cowards end up killing some poor innocent bstard doing his job. what is it for? N . ireland being liberated? give it a rest already.
As for Luton, I took a wrong turning once and ended up driving through the place, it looked more like new kabul than england. Groups like the BnP will only thrive on crap like this. Then there will be trouble.
It is still a crazy world we live in.
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Update:
Blog link: http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/
See this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_ygCc9qlWM&feature=channel_page
(warning - swearing can be heard from the crowd)
The guys in the background with the placards are the muslim protesters. The police are trying to protect the protesters from the very large angry crowd of Brits objecting to them being there.
Talk about outnumbered. :D
Full story: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1160958/Muslim-anti-war-protesters-abuse-British-soldiers-baby-killers-homecoming-parade.html
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/03/10/article-1160958-03D1B0DF000005DC-601_468x312.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/03/10/article-1160958-03D1B0C4000005DC-844_468x312.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/03/10/article-1160958-03D1B0CA000005DC-368_468x312.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/03/10/article-1160958-03D1B0E6000005DC-268_468x311.jpg)
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I feel your pain brother. My parents migrated from Europe after WW2 to have a future. They went to Canada where I was born. I was 1 when my parents moved to the US. They fully embraced the country and became citizens. I have lived here all my life and want to continue to do so. However as of late this country has unfortunately turned into something that may never reverse. People wanted change....... What change did they want? To be ruled by big government? There use to be opportunity here but that maybe a mere memory. I have owned a business for 25 years that maybe so taxed that it won't make sense to continue to do business. We also have to constantly fight for our Constitution that is endlessly being undermined by political groups and fools that want to turn the populace into robots that have go to the government for everything. I really never thought I would say it but my thoughts are that if this country continues to spiral downward I may consider leaving. I watch quite a bit of commentary on the nations condition. From everything I have heard is that it will get much worse. Now how much worse nobody knows. It could be that if things get so bad that people start to rebel , marshal law could be enforced. Heck, this administration wants to slowly remove guns from our hands. I still have a Canadian passport and believe me if it does get super bad here and people start leaving that I would imagine that Canada and Mexico would close their borders for no citizens. Now I hope it never turns to that but never say never. I have the RV all stocked up ready at anytime to lets say go on a long vacation.
Got room for another passenger??
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Quote from: mechanic on Today at 12:24:05 AM
I've seen footage of a 17 yo girl and 18yo boy being stoned to death in a public square just because their religions conflicted and forbid them to be in love... I dont want to be part of the same spieces, it has nothing to do with country or religion or even politics. Any attrocity we see commited today is sure to be less than those our own countries once took part in. I here by revoke my claim to be part of the human race. If anyone wants me i'll be sitting under a tree eating the fleas out of my back hair. Seems like a more worthwhile evolutionary trait than humanity has ever developed. Human existance is just as much a game as aces high....when we first started bending the rules to elevate animal humanity into its current state...well...really those were the first haxxors and we have been finding ways to cheat ever since. At the end of the day we are still animals, and very capable of acting like animals no matter how far we think we have come from the jungles and oceans.
Please pass the Bananas... :cool:
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Amen.
Welcome to the new dark ages, i hope your living right... :rock
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You Brits really need stricter immigration laws.
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**** like that makes me sick!!!
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This leaflet was recently pushed through a large number of letterboxes in Luton, GB.
And all I have to say about it would a) appear mainly as censored content and b) would probably get me banned for a month so I'll just let you all imagine the red mist that's floating around my head right now.
I'm also very glad I don't live in Luton or know anyone that does cos this is gonna get very nasty very soon.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-8/48257/Leaflet.jpg)
We are next. We have entire towns filled with people that want us to change our ways of life and our religion for them, if we oppose they use OUR LAWS against us.
We have become stupid. Too many nancy boys out there thinking with their little heads that can't sprout a inch of guts to go against what is obviously wrong, instead they will continue to goosestep along with the other greasy wheels as to 'fit in'.
Lemmings.
Let them try this sh*t where I live, I'm itching to **** some of these bastards.
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Update:
Blog link: http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/
See this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_ygCc9qlWM&feature=channel_page
(warning - swearing can be heard from the crowd)
The guys in the background with the placards are the muslim protesters. The police are trying to protect the protesters from the very large angry crowd of Brits objecting to them being there.
Talk about outnumbered. :D
Full story: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1160958/Muslim-anti-war-protesters-abuse-British-soldiers-baby-killers-homecoming-parade.html
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/03/10/article-1160958-03D1B0DF000005DC-601_468x312.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/03/10/article-1160958-03D1B0C4000005DC-844_468x312.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/03/10/article-1160958-03D1B0CA000005DC-368_468x312.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/03/10/article-1160958-03D1B0E6000005DC-268_468x311.jpg)
I wouldn't be able to contain myself there, I would be in jail.
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It is sick to see them doing that. Obvious that they support terrorist.
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I can't believe this thread is still going. :confused: Special exception made for forum rules when you post something politically outrageous from the radical left?
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This is what happens when you allow Sharia Law(like in England)..
They demand this,yet are they ever charged for holding signs in the streets of London,Toronto and Washington calling for the murder of those who "offend" them?
Sharia law is not valid in the UK, and yes, numerous people have been charged and imprisoned for doing just that (you get 5 years iirc) - explicitly inciting violence is a crime, just expressing an opinion is not.
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I can't believe this thread is still going. :confused: Special exception made for forum rules when you post something politically outrageous from the radical left?
this isn't political or religious what planet are you from.
its about british citizens demonstrating against other british citizens in Britain.
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I can't believe this thread is still going. :confused: Special exception made for forum rules when you post something politically outrageous from the radical left?
Radical left?
Muslim extremists are now the radical left? I think the only part of your post that is correct is the *confused* smilie. Yeah, you are.
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Radical left?
Muslim extremists are now the radical left?
Islam is communism with a beard
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next time the supporters should bring larger signs and stand in front of the muslim losers
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Once upon a time the jolly hun used to toggle his bombs everynight over London...a couple of nutbags have signs and its the end of the times??
I used to think the only thing poms were afraid of was a toothbrush and a bath now you're seemingly jumping at shadows?
Tronsky
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Well.....admittedly, I was thinking this was going to be a lot worse than it was. Luton has a large muslim population and leaflets like the above being stuck through peoples doors looked like it was going to cause a big crowd.
As it happens, the muslim crowd was tiny compared to the rest of the Brits and they got shouted down with minimal violence (little bit of shoving).
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Sharia law is not valid in the UK, and yes, numerous people have been charged and imprisoned for doing just that (you get 5 years iirc) - explicitly inciting violence is a crime, just expressing an opinion is not.
Sharia Law is not valid,i agree..But it DOES exist in England.
If i held up a sign on the street expressing my views on Islam in England(or Canada)..I would be arrested and charged with a "hate crime".
And give me one example of radical muslims being rounded up and arrested for holding signs that incite violence.
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UK law always takes precedence, ie you can conduct your life under the guidance of Sharia law, but only as long as it doesnt conflict with UK law.
if you publicly expressed views which incited violence or racial hatred, then yes you would be arrested and charged, otherwise you would just be be exercising your right to free speech. I can say "Brits have bad teeth", I cant say "Chop off Brits' heads because they have bad teeth!" :)
a fairly recent example:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6903445.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6903445.stm)
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Sharia Law is not valid,i agree..But it DOES exist in England.
If i held up a sign on the street expressing my views on Islam in England(or Canada)..I would be arrested and charged with a "hate crime".
And give me one example of radical muslims being rounded up and arrested for holding signs that incite violence.
You could hold a banner that said there is no allah and mohammed wasn't a messiah. Recently there were buses on the UK with an advert that said something along the lines "There's no god, so enjoy life".
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Where I grew up that flyer would have been posted by a white guy with dreadlocks. Please excuse my confusion. :lol
Fwiw, I don't think that a muslim being upset about the Iraq war makes them an extremist: advocating violence, yes, but speaking out about it, no.
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You Brits really need stricter immigration laws.
Include the US as well......
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Sharia law isn’t the supreme law of Britain….yet.
Its simple mathematics. They breed faster. If not you, then perhaps your grandchildren will one day bend their knees in the Mosque of Londonstan.
In 50 years it will be a largely Hispanic, Catholic Western Hemisphere, as the last bulwark of Western civilization, standing off against a largely Muslim, pan-European Caliphate.
Wab
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STOP PRESS:
England is NOT a warzone! :O
Also: NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS
(In fact, most Muslims aren't. There are just a very few that are, and they're the only ones that get mentioned in the news we read).
In 50 years it will be a largely Hispanic, Catholic Western Hemisphere, as the last bulwark of Western civilization, standing off against a largely Muslim, pan-European Caliphate.
Hmm.
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I can't believe this thread is still going. :confused: Special exception made for forum rules when you post something politically outrageous from the radical left?
Woah, woah, woah.... since when are the radical extremists associated with the left party? Last I checked a majority of the right and left both want to see them turned into dust.
Where I grew up that flyer would have been posted by a white guy with dreadlocks. Please excuse my confusion. :lol
Dirty Hippie:
(http://www.seattlest.com/attachments/seattle_david2/hippie.jpg)
Muslim Extremist:
(http://www.realclearreligion.com/index_files/islam.democracy.jpg)
questions?
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:lol I'm talking about the trustifarian (trust-fund) type hippy that has a master's degree in "peace and conflict studies" or some crap like that.
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Sharia law isn’t the supreme law of Britain….yet.
Its simple mathematics. They breed faster. If not you, then perhaps your grandchildren will one day bend their knees in the Mosque of Londonstan.
In 50 years it will be a largely Hispanic, Catholic Western Hemisphere, as the last bulwark of Western civilization, standing off against a largely Muslim, pan-European Caliphate.
a conversation I overheard recently in our local chinese takeaway between a young Kashmiri guy and the Chinese girl behind the counter.
C: hows your mate with the moustache?
K: Arif? Yeah hes fine, he's my cousin actually.
C: Yeah? I thought your cousin worked at KFC?
K: Well I got a cousin works at BKs ... oh yeah I do have a cousin at KFC
C: eh? how many cousins you got here?
K: About 120 I think...
:confused:
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Sharia law isn’t the supreme law of Britain….yet.
Its simple mathematics. They breed faster. If not you, then perhaps your grandchildren will one day bend their knees in the Mosque of Londonstan.
In 50 years it will be a largely Hispanic, Catholic Western Hemisphere, as the last bulwark of Western civilization, standing off against a largely Muslim, pan-European Caliphate.
Wab
:rofl
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I wonder how many rounds they are allowed to use in Luton :devil
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:lol I'm talking about the trustifarian (trust-fund) type hippy that has a master's degree in "peace and conflict studies" or some crap like that.
I believe that a lot of them 1960 hippies started a lot of cult groups.
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I don't think it's fair to judge a religion based on the actions of a few of its followers, whether those followers be jihadists or Crusaders. I DO think it's perfectly valid to judge a religion based on the actions of its founder, and it doesn't take a very long study of Christ or Muhammad to note some striking differences...
Muhammad's resume included murder, war, likely date-rape (if you can even call killing a woman's husband and marrying her the same day a "date")...
Christ? Well, he knocked over a table and pwned a fig tree.
Both of their followers have done horrible things over the years, but only one of the founders might be proud...
The big problem is here in the west, we don't burn or ban books. So you can get a more complete picture, if you're interested, and not just a church-approved story.
Even so, I've said it before and I'll say it again: the vast majority of Muslims are more than likely the same as the vast majority of Christians: followers by title only. Just think of how many "Christians" you see that consider Christmas the most important holiday.
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if you publicly expressed views which incited violence or racial hatred, then yes you would be arrested and charged, otherwise you would just be be exercising your right to free speech. I can say "Brits have bad teeth", I cant say "Chop off Brits' heads because they have bad teeth!" :)
a fairly recent example:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6903445.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6903445.stm)
What you are describing is not a "right" but a privilege which may be revoked at the whim of a public official. It's a shame that you've let yourself be domesticated to the point where you can no longer tell the difference. True rights are countered by responsibility. In my country I have a right to free speech and you, conversely, have a responsibility to tolerate whatever rubbish I may spew.
It's a beautiful thing.
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I don't think it's fair to judge a religion based on the actions of a few of its followers, whether those followers be jihadists or Crusaders. I DO think it's perfectly valid to judge a religion based on the actions of its founder, and it doesn't take a very long study of Christ or Muhammad to note some striking differences...
Muhammad's resume included murder, war, likely date-rape (if you can even call killing a woman's husband and marrying her the same day a "date")...
Christ? Well, he knocked over a table and pwned a fig tree.
I agree.A religion should not be judged by it's fringe elements.It should be judged by it's scriptures.When Jerry Fallwell said "God hates gays",he's quoting the bible accurately.When a Muslim says someone who converts from Islam must be murdered,he is quoting the Hadith(the writings of Prophet Mohammad).
I take it you have been selectively reading the bible..Because in it you will find the warrant for rape,murder,genocide,incest,masacism,genital mutilation,ritual sacrifice & slavery among other things.
As for Jesus,there is no mention of Hell in the Old testament(punishment of the dead)..It's only when Jesus shows up in the new testament do we have the wonderful notion eternal hellfire for not choosing him as a savior .That is if you don't feel the belonging need to be saved from yourself.
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That is the problem with most of this stuff. It all depends on how it is interpreted. There is a school in England that is serving Halal meat to all its kids regardless of beliefs; because its easier for them because there are more Muslim children at the school. I don't see how it is fair to try to force Sharia Laws on countries that either don't have a national religion or that it isn't Islam.
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What you are describing is not a "right" but a privilege which may be revoked at the whim of a public official. It's a shame that you've let yourself be domesticated to the point where you can no longer tell the difference. True rights are countered by responsibility. In my country I have a right to free speech and you, conversely, have a responsibility to tolerate whatever rubbish I may spew.
Wrong. UK signed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, free speech is covered under Article 19. It is a principle enshrined in UK law. dont really understand the rest of your statement - "domesticated"? :huh
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Wrong. UK signed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, free speech is covered under Article 19. It is a principle enshrined in UK law. dont really understand the rest of your statement - "domesticated"? :huh
Just because your government has told you that they have given you a right doesn't make it so. They have granted you a privilege that they can revoke whenever they see fit. Governments don't grant rights; they acknowledge preexisting rights. Anything that a government grants is not a right but a privilege that can be taken away. This is the fundamental difference between our cultures and the main reason we don't understand each others systems of government. You are a subject and I am a citizen. The subtleties make all the difference.
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you may well not understand our system of government in the uk, I dont know where you're from so I cant say whether I understand yours or not. since our cultures are vastly different I'm guessing you must reside in a communist or islamic state, maybe a dictatorship?
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Holmes, I think he lives in the united states of mexico. :D
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Just because your government has told you that they have given you a right doesn't make it so. They have granted you a privilege that they can revoke whenever they see fit. Governments don't grant rights; they acknowledge preexisting rights. Anything that a government grants is not a right but a privilege that can be taken away. This is the fundamental difference between our cultures and the main reason we don't understand each others systems of government. You are a subject and I am a citizen. The subtleties make all the difference.
Funny, then, that we got the idea from an English philosopher.
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lets not forget the Scots (Hume, Smith) and the Germans (Kant, Hegel) :)
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I don't think it's fair to judge a religion based on the actions of a few of its followers, whether those followers be headsets or Crusaders. I DO think it's perfectly valid to judge a religion based on the actions of its founder, and it doesn't take a very long study of Christ or Muhammad to note some striking differences...
Muhammad's resume included murder, war, likely date-rape (if you can even call killing a woman's husband and marrying her the same day a "date")...
Christ? Well, he knocked over a table and pwned a fig tree.
Both of their followers have done horrible things over the years, but only one of the founders might be proud...
The big problem is here in the west, we don't burn or ban books. So you can get a more complete picture, if you're interested, and not just a church-approved story.
Even so, I've said it before and I'll say it again: the vast majority of Muslims are more than likely the same as the vast majority of Christians: followers by title only. Just think of how many "Christians" you see that consider Christmas the most important holiday.
Dude if your going to make speculations about religion you need to do some research. First the Koran does teach that if you do not follow Mohammad then you are an infidel thus requiring death. just because ALL Muslims are not radicals doesn't mean that they are not supporters of Islam. Ask any Muslim about Israel and they all come up with the same answer which has little to do with tolerance. Also if you did know anything about Christianity then you would know that Easter is the most important celebrated Christian event. Christmas was never created by Christians. Christmas had pagan roots that basically come from the Emperor Constantine. Jesus wasn't born in December. However most Christians celebrate Christmas as a holiday rather then the true birth of Christ. I know of no horrible persecution done in the name of the Lord in the last 100 or so years. However Muslim generated atrocities are being done as we speak in Africa, the Philippines and the middle east. There is a huge difference in doctrine between the two religions.
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Dude if your going to make speculations about religion you need to do some research. First the Koran does teach that if you do not follow Mohammad then you are an infidel thus requiring death. just because ALL Muslims are not radicals doesn't mean that they are not supporters of Islam. Ask any Muslim about Israel and they all come up with the same answer which has little to do with tolerance. Also if you did know anything about Christianity then you would know that Easter is the most important celebrated Christian event. Christmas was never created by Christians. Christmas had pagan roots that basically come from the Emperor Constantine. Jesus wasn't born in December. However most Christians celebrate Christmas as a holiday rather then the true birth of Christ. I know of no horrible persecution done in the name of the Lord in the last 100 or so years. However Muslim generated atrocities are being done as we speak in Africa, the Philippines and the middle east. There is a huge difference in doctrine between the two religions.
Research eh? No horrible persecution done in the name of Christ in the last 100 or so years?
Do a simple google of "christian warlord".
Here's one, he's an ordained priest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurent_Nkunda
There's plenty more committing all kinds of atrocities. I think you need to take a step back and rethink what you've been taught.
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:rofl
Prayer rugs on the lawns of Eaton... a cresant replacing the cross atop St. Paul's.....
http://www.islam-watch.org/NoSharia/PreventEuropeIslamization1.htm
Wab
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Prayer rugs on the lawns of Eaton... a cresant replacing the cross atop St. Paul's.....
http://www.islam-watch.org/NoSharia/PreventEuropeIslamization1.htm
Wab
That is a crap website to be using as a source of information about Islam.
Just looking at it's name tells me that it will NOT be unbiased (or give the Muslims a fair representation) - i.e. it's useless for a reliable source. Unless, of course, you're looking for something that tells you what you think, regardless of what the truth may/may not be.
AKWabbit, sorry for taking this semi-personal now, but you seem to have a very low opinion of Muslims. I actually have quite a high opinion of them in general (aside from a minority of terrorists who seem to give the entire religion a bad name), however I still attempt to judge them from a neutral standpoint - and what I've seen hasn't caused me to think less of them. You on the other hand seem to be determined to present them in a negative light, and choose websites which support your views - leading me to think that you're so certain of your own correctness that you won't listen to/read anything which supports Muslims/Islam.
Basically, please try and use some (relatively) unbiased websites as sources.
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Research eh? No horrible persecution done in the name of Christ in the last 100 or so years?
Do a simple google of "christian warlord".
Here's one, he's an ordained priest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurent_Nkunda
There's plenty more committing all kinds of atrocities. I think you need to take a step back and rethink what you've been taught.
Just because this kook claims to be Christian doesn't mean he is. Jim Jones did, David Koresh did. I never at any point considered any of them to be lead by God or to be a representative of God . Also just because he claims he represents God, (the Christian God ) lends me to believe he isn't. Did God appoint him to do these things. Does the Christian community embrace these actions? I don't nor would any of the folks I would call followers of Christ do. Like I said every Muslim believes we are infidels it's their doctrain, just ask one. As far as being taught , I study the word and come to conclusions on my own with assistants from people who I know have sound doctrain. I don't let people do my thinking or me. That's the difference between reading the Bible or letting someone else read it for me. The Bible instructs a believer to test the things of God, to determine if in fact he is a follower and not some nut job. There are rules to adhere by in all religions and when people who contradict the Bible in the name of Christianity we who are believers should be able to discern between the sheep and the goats
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Dude if your going to make speculations about religion you need to do some research. First the Koran does teach that if you do not follow Mohammad then you are an infidel thus requiring death. just because ALL Muslims are not radicals doesn't mean that they are not supporters of Islam. Ask any Muslim about Israel and they all come up with the same answer which has little to do with tolerance. Also if you did know anything about Christianity then you would know that Easter is the most important celebrated Christian event. Christmas was never created by Christians. Christmas had pagan roots that basically come from the Emperor Constantine. Jesus wasn't born in December. However most Christians celebrate Christmas as a holiday rather then the true birth of Christ. I know of no horrible persecution done in the name of the Lord in the last 100 or so years. However Muslim generated atrocities are being done as we speak in Africa, the Philippines and the middle east. There is a huge difference in doctrine between the two religions.
And if you're going to make speculations regarding my post's intentions, you should at least read it twice...
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I take it you have been selectively reading the bible..Because in it you will find the warrant for rape,murder,genocide,incest,masacism,genital mutilation,ritual sacrifice & slavery among other things.
If I didn't read the Bible selectively, how could I keep from laughing?
I'm personally one of those guys who will burn in hell for eternal damnation for believing in things like evolution and dinosaurs going extinct long before man walked the earth, so trust me, I'm not someone who'd say the Bible's perfect. You're quite right there are horrible things in there.
I'm just saying that in my opinion, there is a gigantic difference between the way Jesus Christ lived his life, and the way Muhammad did. I consider Christ to have been a fairly decent human being... I can't say the same about Muhammad.
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And if you're going to make speculations regarding my post's intentions, you should at least read it twice...
Your correct I should have read it twice. There are a few things that I do not agree with but nothing big. There are many who want to comment on their limited knowledge of both religions before understanding any. I apologize for my statement.
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Your correct I should have read it twice. There are a few things that I do not agree with but nothing big. There are many who want to comment on their limited knowledge of both religions before understanding any. I apologize for my statement.
No worries at all, sir.
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AKWabbit, sorry for taking this semi-personal now...
I'm sorry too. You have forced me to issue a Fatwa against you.
Wab
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I would like to thank Skuzzy for leaving this thread open for debate.
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First the Koran does teach that if you do not follow Mohammad then you are an infidel thus requiring death.
No it does not. Have you bothered to read it? I have.
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You need to find the books that were left out of the Bible that tell of Jesus' childhood and teen years real eye openers.
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God sees all....
(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01364/sign-collection_1364988i.jpg)
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Terrorism. Its not about race, religion, nationality or anything else. It's the fundamental problem of being an animal life form that considers itself above animal behaviour yet fails to accept what we are, just animals. So we will always let our pirmal insticts of spreading and dominating come to the surface as anger and violence whilst great divides exist between rich and poor.
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You need to find the books that were left out of the Bible that tell of Jesus' childhood and teen years real eye openers.
Were they written by the guy that wrote "The Da Vinci Code"?
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a fairly recent example:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6903445.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6903445.stm)
That is encouraging..But how many of these Islamic nations who don't like to be offended, hold state funded demonstrations burning American flags,have mass-chanting "Death To America!" parades?..Passing on to the next generation a new-wave of hatred aimed at children...And then tell us that we must amend our constitutions because they don't like to be "offended" ?
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I'm just saying that in my opinion, there is a gigantic difference between the way Jesus Christ lived his life, and the way Muhammad did. I consider Christ to have been a fairly decent human being... I can't say the same about Muhammad.
Perhaps that is true. However, what becomes of the religion has little to do with its founder. I am 100% positive that Christianity of today is no where near what Jesus meant. I bet Islam is not what Muhamad meant it to be and Judaism is no where near what its founder (if there was just one) meant it to be.