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Title: TBM crash saturday in Millville NJ
Post by: beddog on March 10, 2009, 11:32:09 AM
http://www.thedailyjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Avis=A8&Dato=20090308&Kategori=NEWS01&Lopenr=903080806&Ref=PH
Title: Re: TBM crash saturday in Millville NJ
Post by: CAP1 on March 10, 2009, 09:06:23 PM
http://www.thedailyjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Avis=A8&Dato=20090308&Kategori=NEWS01&Lopenr=903080806&Ref=PH

it wasn't crashed. he landed it perfectly safely. i'm sitting next to a guy that works there now. the pilot flying it is the maint. guy. it burned after it rolled to a stop on the runway.

there's an article in the courier post in nj. you can find it online.

it's ashame, because this was a beautiful airplane(i've seen it at several shows), and the owner has several other beautiful warbirds, including a b25, f4u, and a spitfire(i don't know which mark)
Title: Re: TBM crash saturday in Millville NJ
Post by: Ratpack1 on March 10, 2009, 09:43:16 PM
You must have read a bad article CAP. I read it was because the ack was down and he got vulched!  :rofl
Title: Re: TBM crash saturday in Millville NJ
Post by: CAP1 on March 10, 2009, 09:48:26 PM
You must have read a bad article CAP. I read it was because the ack was down and he got vulched!  :rofl

dude........U DA MAN!


long day, and i;m about an hour and a half from home(it's comin  up on 11pm here, and i have another 40 minutes till i can leave), and tired as hell.........


and THAT sir almost made me spit my soda on the laptop   :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: TBM crash saturday in Millville NJ
Post by: Ratpack1 on March 10, 2009, 09:49:07 PM
Glad I could help!  :aok
Title: Re: TBM crash saturday in Millville NJ
Post by: Meatwad on March 10, 2009, 11:07:27 PM
Poor TBM  :cry

Had to go through my airshow pictures to make sure it wasnt one I seen at the shows around here
Title: Re: TBM crash saturday in Millville NJ
Post by: CAP1 on March 10, 2009, 11:58:31 PM
Poor TBM  :cry

Had to go through my airshow pictures to make sure it wasnt one I seen at the shows around here

the good news, however is that the pilot will be ok.
Title: Re: TBM crash saturday in Millville NJ
Post by: oakranger on March 11, 2009, 12:12:35 AM
You must have read a bad article CAP. I read it was because the ack was down and he got vulched!  :rofl
:rofl
Title: Re: TBM crash saturday in Millville NJ
Post by: pipz on March 11, 2009, 01:47:29 PM
I went with some friends to the Millville airshow back in September.Its a shame to see such a nice aircraft destroyed in a accident.

http://www.nj.com/south/index.ssf/2009/03/wwii_avenger_bursts_into_flame.html
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z207/Pimpzdog/A.jpg)
Title: Re: TBM crash saturday in Millville NJ
Post by: CAP1 on March 11, 2009, 01:59:11 PM
I went with some friends to the Millville airshow back in September.Its a shame to see such a nice aircraft destroyed in a accident.

http://www.nj.com/south/index.ssf/2009/03/wwii_avenger_bursts_into_flame.html
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z207/Pimpzdog/A.jpg)

YES, IT IS.

did he have any of his others out? i missed the millville show, but will probably go there this year, as mcguire's next airshow is in 2010.

 he has a corsair, a mitchell, and i just last night found out he has a spit too.......
Title: Re: TBM crash saturday in Millville NJ
Post by: pipz on March 11, 2009, 04:53:12 PM
This is what I saw CAP

(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z207/Pimpzdog/DSCN6537.jpg)
Hey check out how my clothes match the Corsair <G>
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z207/Pimpzdog/B.jpg)

(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z207/Pimpzdog/DSCN6641.jpg)
Title: Re: TBM crash saturday in Millville NJ
Post by: CAP1 on March 11, 2009, 05:24:07 PM
This is what I saw CAP

(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z207/Pimpzdog/DSCN6537.jpg)
Hey check out how my clothes match the Corsair <G>
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z207/Pimpzdog/B.jpg)

(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z207/Pimpzdog/DSCN6641.jpg)
you know dam straight i'm there this year!

he's flown the corsair over my shop in cherry hill a couple of times....i missed his "low approaches" at south jersey regional.......

 from what i'm told, he simply wrote a check for it(i think he got the corsair 3 years ago), and the same for the mitchell. until he got the mitchell, he was flying them out of red lion.

 beautiful aircraft.....thanks for posting them dude!
Title: Re: TBM crash saturday in Millville NJ
Post by: pipz on March 11, 2009, 06:17:37 PM
from what i'm told, he simply wrote a check for it

Must be nice.....I cant even rite a check out for a snickers bar <G>


Pipz
Title: Re: TBM crash saturday in Millville NJ
Post by: beddog on March 11, 2009, 08:13:33 PM
it wasn't crashed. he landed it perfectly safely. i'm sitting next to a guy that works there now. the pilot flying it is the maint. guy. it burned after it rolled to a stop on the runway.

there's an article in the courier post in nj. you can find it online.

it's ashame, because this was a beautiful airplane(i've seen it at several shows), and the owner has several other beautiful warbirds, including a b25, f4u, and a spitfire(i don't know which mark)

That was a silly correction cap, the whole story was with the link I posted.
Title: Re: TBM crash saturday in Millville NJ
Post by: CAP1 on March 11, 2009, 10:41:25 PM
That was a silly correction cap, the whole story was with the link I posted.


well, yes and no......
it definitely was not a shot at you. it just pisses me off that as far as the media is concerned, if something happened to it, it crashed. they TRY to make people afraid of things. as it is, i hve to hear from all of my non-flying friends, and of course, at 47, mom still calls me every single time she sees or hears anything about a crash. like she thinks i'm gonna stop flying because of it.

anyway, if you took any offense, there was none intended dude........
Title: Re: TBM crash saturday in Millville NJ
Post by: phatzo on March 11, 2009, 11:41:58 PM
. they TRY to make people afraid of things. as it is, i hve to hear from all of my non-flying friends, and of course, at 47, mom still calls me every single time she sees or hears anything about a crash. like she thinks i'm gonna stop flying because of it.

.....

Its all well and goog till someone has an eye out!
Title: Re: TBM crash saturday in Millville NJ
Post by: Traveler on March 12, 2009, 03:40:31 AM
Real shame, that group of aircraft used to be based out of Monmouth County Airport in NJ.  I spent part of my youth towing banners up and down the Jersey Shore and New York beaches.  I also earned some extra money flying the WWII aircraft to airshows all over the east coast, where the owner made a nice living putting them on display.  They used to have a P40 as well as the Spit.  I have time in the B25 and the P40.   
Title: Re: TBM crash saturday in Millville NJ
Post by: pipz on March 12, 2009, 04:18:12 AM
Heres a P40 that was there.
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z207/Pimpzdog/E.jpg)
Title: Re: TBM crash saturday in Millville NJ
Post by: Traveler on March 12, 2009, 05:23:18 AM
Heres a P40 that was there.
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z207/Pimpzdog/E.jpg)

Yea, that's it.  I just checked my log book, I have a little over 350 hours in that P40 and over 200 in the B25.  As I remember the B25 O2 system still worked, but the P40 was without a working system for a while so couldn't get over weather.  Neither could handle much ice.

The management company is no longer based out of Monmouth Airport, and might now be based at Millville, NJ.   
Title: Re: TBM crash saturday in Millville NJ
Post by: beddog on March 12, 2009, 10:11:41 AM


anyway, if you took any offense, there was none intended dude........

That's ok cap.  I was just trying to keep the subject line short and to the point.  As far as the media and your friends, just ignore em and keep having fun flying.  I could write a book on the stuff I've seen since the old Vineland City airport closed and we moved our plane there.  As I'm sitting here typing I'm thinking of all the times as a kid when we would get back to Millville at the end of a long day of flying and I would wake up to the wheels touching down on the runway only to fall back asleep and then finally wake up when the gyros would wind completely down to silence.....  I was probably nine or ten at the time.  I think my favorite character of all time out at Millville besides my dad was a guy by the name of Johnny Baird who was a great mechanic and has been gone for a long time but is definitely not forgotten by me.  Is there any old timers from Millville on this board?  Anyone remember runways 5-23?  I'm getting old.........
Title: Re: TBM crash saturday in Millville NJ
Post by: Traveler on March 12, 2009, 12:20:20 PM
I was an airport bum back in the 60's My Dad taught me to fly  in a J3 and an instructor by the name of Frank Fine signed me off for my private out of Colts Neck.  Took a check ride with Billy Gibson in 1970 and had my Commerical and instrument by 1971.  Towed banners and did flight instruction out of Colts Neck, Marlboro and Monmouth County Airports.   Flew for Monmouth Airlines (Beach 99 and DC3) and Eastern (727) and ferried those war birds around to airshows.  I left Eastern after one to many furloughs without pay and got a real job.  I still do Flight Instruction out of Monmouth County and like everyone else in aviation in NJ watched all the once great little airports close. 

Colts Neck was a grass  strip 6-24 2500 feet level and 15-33 1500 feet uphill. Night operations on 6 - 24 with it's one landing light and red reflectors at each end and each side of the run way.  Like flying into a black whole,  lots of deer to make it even more interesting.  To impress the ladies lots of night flights down to Atlantic City after the casinos lit up the night sky, landing at Bader Field and walking into AC or flying across Sandy Hook, up the Hudson River with New York City just turning on the light show.

As an instructor there was always the dual cross country from Colts Neck to Millville to the FSS when real live people provided a weather briefing and they were always happy to do a show and tell for the student pilots.  Then on to North Philly in PA for a semi busy airport with a real control tower to get the students over Mic fright.  Remember Light Gun Signals???
Title: Re: TBM crash saturday in Millville NJ
Post by: CAP1 on March 12, 2009, 01:20:10 PM
I was an airport bum back in the 60's My Dad taught me to fly  in a J3 and an instructor by the name of Frank Fine signed me off for my private out of Colts Neck.  Took a check ride with Billy Gibson in 1970 and had my Commerical and instrument by 1971.  Towed banners and did flight instruction out of Colts Neck, Marlboro and Monmouth County Airports.   Flew for Monmouth Airlines (Beach 99 and DC3) and Eastern (727) and ferried those war birds around to airshows.  I left Eastern after one to many furloughs without pay and got a real job.  I still do Flight Instruction out of Monmouth County and like everyone else in aviation in NJ watched all the once great little airports close. 

Colts Neck was a grass  strip 6-24 2500 feet level and 15-33 1500 feet uphill. Night operations on 6 - 24 with it's one landing light and red reflectors at each end and each side of the run way.  Like flying into a black whole,  lots of deer to make it even more interesting.  To impress the ladies lots of night flights down to Atlantic City after the casinos lit up the night sky, landing at Bader Field and walking into AC or flying across Sandy Hook, up the Hudson River with New York City just turning on the light show.

As an instructor there was always the dual cross country from Colts Neck to Millville to the FSS when real live people provided a weather briefing and they were always happy to do a show and tell for the student pilots.  Then on to North Philly in PA for a semi busy airport with a real control tower to get the students over Mic fright.  Remember Light Gun Signals???

VAY, although it is supposedly locked into remaining an airport for at least 20 years, seems to be next on the list to go. it's a virtual ghost town anymore there. kenmarson(the club i fly in) even moved to the "W" this month.
Title: Re: TBM crash saturday in Millville NJ
Post by: Traveler on March 12, 2009, 01:49:18 PM
VAY, although it is supposedly locked into remaining an airport for at least 20 years, seems to be next on the list to go. it's a virtual ghost town anymore there. kenmarson(the club i fly in) even moved to the "W" this month.

It's to bad, the DOT of NJ took over KVAY a few years back, made a lot of fuss about working with GA business to keep it open.  All the old airfield owners, the ones that loved General aviation all are gone and it was pretty much easy pickens for the next of kin to swoop in and sell off the land. 

I haven't been into the Flying "W" for a number of years. I'm wondering how any flight schools will remain open with the economy as it is.  I haven't had a new student in two years.  Where Monmouth Airport at one time had an airline operations and three flight schools with full time instructors operating a total of 9 training aircraft and an additional 15 aircraft for rentals between them, now there is no airline operations, one flight school, no full time instructors, operating two training aircraft with one additional aircraft for rentals.

   
Title: Re: TBM crash saturday in Millville NJ
Post by: CAP1 on March 12, 2009, 02:12:53 PM
It's to bad, the DOT of NJ took over KVAY a few years back, made a lot of fuss about working with GA business to keep it open.  All the old airfield owners, the ones that loved General aviation all are gone and it was pretty much easy pickens for the next of kin to swoop in and sell off the land. 

I haven't been into the Flying "W" for a number of years. I'm wondering how any flight schools will remain open with the economy as it is.  I haven't had a new student in two years.  Where Monmouth Airport at one time had an airline operations and three flight schools with full time instructors operating a total of 9 training aircraft and an additional 15 aircraft for rentals between them, now there is no airline operations, one flight school, no full time instructors, operating two training aircraft with one additional aircraft for rentals.

   

wow.......that's not sounding too good.

kenmarson still has 5(i think) instructors, and 8 or 9 aircraft. the problem i'm going to run into though, is that they;re down to a single 172, whereas they had 4 when i joined the club. 38RE is due to be out of the club next month, which'll  leave me with only the 152, or i'll need to transition to the pipers.  my only concern with transitioning to pipers, is that although they pretty much fly the same, i've seen and read about people that've done that, and if/when they had an incident, it was partially due to that. they were also in the same hour range as myself(approx. 200).

 the "W" still has their own flight school there too, but i don't know how many instructors they have. then finally, there is helicopter flight services, also located on the W. they were run out of VAY too. i think they have 4 or 5 instructors, and 3 Schweitzer cb300's of different variants.

 i forget the name of the company managing VAY now, but they just seem to not be willing to work with people. when steve schneider owned the place, it was a fun place to be, and to fly to and from. now, there's less friendly people there, the ramp, used to be so full, there were aircraft parked on the grass....now 1/2 of them are gone. they're making no real improvements at all there, although they did finally take down 2 rows of really nasty hangars.
Title: Re: TBM crash saturday in Millville NJ
Post by: Oldman731 on March 12, 2009, 03:17:29 PM
Flew for Monmouth Airlines (Beach 99 and DC3) and Eastern (727)

Would you happen to have known Terry Harrison?

- oldman
Title: Re: TBM crash saturday in Millville NJ
Post by: Traveler on March 12, 2009, 03:38:39 PM
Would you happen to have known Terry Harrison?

- oldman

No Joy on Terry Harrison