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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Guppy35 on March 12, 2009, 11:41:31 PM
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If you could shut off kills landed messages for yourself, would you?
I'm not talking about shutting it down for everyone, but just you, so that anytime you happened to land kills, no one would know it. There me be 300 other people who leave it on and land 74 kills in their Spit 16 of vulching doom, but your 6 in your 51D are known only to you.
I'm just curious how important it really is to people?
Do you think you'd fly differently if you didn't get your name in lights and the 'attaboys' that follow?
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If you could shut off kills landed messages for yourself, would you?
Most probably.
Do you think you'd fly differently if you didn't get your name in lights and the 'attaboys' that follow?
A definite NO.
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I'm w/ the snail on this one.
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Hmmm. Everyone likes recogntion, whether they are big enough to admit it or not. What's the big deal, either way, about attaboys?
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Hmmm. Everyone likes recogntion, whether they are big enough to admit it or not. What's the big deal, either way, about attaboys?
Just curious Steve. Not condemning anyone either way. I just personally think it influences how people fly and 'fight' and I am curious as to what others think.
So in that regard how would you answer? There is no 'right' answer.
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I like to have them on but it wouldnt change my style of play at all, I fly until Im dead injured bingo fuel or ammo and rtb, sometimes i dont rtb for damage all depends on the fight :rock
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I don't think it's important that everyone in AH2 land knows when I landed kills although I like it when 4 or 5 from a squad do it at the same time.
I would not fly any different then I do now. I try to fly the best I can, get as many kills I can , and make it home safely. I believe this is what I'd do in real life.
Very rarely do I rearm in order to get "Uptown landed 15 kills in a P51D". Frankly I get embarrassed if I happen to land over 4 or 5 at a time.
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I actually land so rarely that I don't think it would affect things one way or another. :)
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Just curious Steve. Not condemning anyone either way. I just personally think it influences how people fly and 'fight' and I am curious as to what others think.
So in that regard how would you answer? There is no 'right' answer.
Your right though I do know people who get 2 kills and rtb with them from all sides of the map, but I like it because people like to say they had like 8 kills that last run but they only had 4 and it just keeps integrity up :salute
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Just curious Steve. Not condemning anyone either way. I just personally think it influences how people fly and 'fight' and I am curious as to what others think.
So in that regard how would you answer? There is no 'right' answer.
Well I'll speak only for myself. I don't think it would influence the way I fly. :)
Very rarely do I rearm in order to get "Uptown landed 15 kills in a P51D". Frankly I get embarrassed if I happen to land over 4 or 5 at a time.
Come on... I'm sure you've gotten more than 4 or 5 without a rearm.
Or do you rtb at 5? :lol
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I have tendency to bailout with 2-4 if I'm a sector away+bingo and just want to up and fight again.
I would turn the kills landed msg off for 2-3 kills (well I'd turn it back on if I was in c47 :)
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I'd turn them off but it wouldn't change a thing about how I fly.
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Come on... I'm sure you've gotten more than 4 or 5 without a rearm.
Or do you rtb at 5? :lol
Well I did get a couple sorties of 7 last night, 9 being a personal best with 1 clip. But I'm usually out of ammo at around 5 kills. Hell you've seen me shoot :lol Matter of fact the last comment you made to me was "how could you miss that shot" :rofl
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Somewhere a horse is hurting!
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how about one step further and remove the scoring system all together
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I would turn them off, being a Firefighter I don't really care much for the "Name in Lights" gig. Every kill I get, which isn't usually many anyway, is for the squad or country ;)
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how about one step further and remove the scoring system all together
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I dont know if you guys noticed, but if you land 10 feet to the left of the runway you get a ditch, which is the same as landing without name in lights. It doesnt effect your k/d ratio, and seems realistic for making it home successfully. :rolleyes:
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Better yet, allow each person to enable or disable their landing/kill messages.
I'd turn mine off in a heartbeat...
I dont know if you guys noticed, but if you land 10 feet to the left of the runway you get a ditch, which is the same as landing without name in lights. It doesnt effect your k/d ratio, and seems realistic for making it home successfully.
Interesting you say that, I've done that a lot.
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All glory is fleeting & everybody has thier 15 seconds of fame, who is gonna care or remember tomorrow?
Only you :salute
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I'd prefer it be raised to five kills. That's what the most world militarys require you to have before you're considered an Ace anyway.
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I'm not all all in favor of that, I feel that many will fly more timid to make it to 5 consistently each sortie.
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thats one thing i dont really care about. i fly for fun and also to help take bases or defend them.
tbh i fly cus i love my spit.
score means nothing. wining the battle means all
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I'd for sure try it with it off. I"m doing it for my satisfaction, has nothing to do with attaboys or <S> from anyone else.
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thats one thing i dont really care about. i fly for fun and also to help take bases or defend them.
tbh i fly cus i love my spit.
score means nothing. wining the battle means all
score means nothing, winning the battle means nothing aswell,
flying with fellow brits and overcoming the enemy whilst having great banter, means everything IMO :aok.
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What is this kills landed message? Oh you mean when i get "You were shot down by XXXXXX" :rofl
I fly Spits because I'm a Brit, It's in our DNA to fly Spits. :D
Malap.
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I'd leave them on. I like seeing my name in lights. It's so rare that it happens. It wouldn't change my flying style any. I'd still hit a tree as often as possible.
However, I do land without kills as often as I do with kills. The whole "immersion" thing. If I run out of ammo, have a fuel leak, didn't find any fights where I chose to take off, I will still try to land if I don't feel pressed to be somewhere else. Conversely, I will also bail if I feel the need to answer an "alert 28" call.
My name in lights is not my motivation for landing. I like to pretend that I can "live to fight another day."
The opposite side of this coin would be a "bomb and bail" pilot. If your name isn't going to be in lights or your goal is to do damage and get back as soon as possible to take advantage of the no ammo or no VH you have just wrought then bailing without damage or without fighting is legitimate in your eyes. "Your" being the person who does this. The closest you can get to being a kamikaze.
wrongway
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how about one step further and remove the scoring system all together
I'd rather see this implemented.
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I land so kills so rarely that having my name show gives my ego a little boost. I don't expect or receive attaboys, but I will pat myself on the back from time to time.
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I so very rarely make it home that it matters little to me... I just can't stay away from those red guys! :uhoh
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Wait - we can land?? When the hell was that implemented? Sheesh, no one tells me nothing :devil
Turn it off, bin score, whatever, I just fly for fun to be honest.
Wurzel
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I play so little anymore. When I do, I enjoy it when the rare luck happens that I get a couple kills and land. "Name in lights" is enjoyable, I'll admit. The real reason I play anymore is just the Friday night banter with my squad. I spend so much time at work and with family, that this escape only happens every now-and-then.
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No, I probably would not because I'm a lazy bum. On the other hand, if HT turned it off for everybody and gave us the ability to turn it on, I probably wouldn't bother with that either.
Glove
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there is a arena setting that turns off kills messages all together ( including when you shoot someone :D )
I always wanted to run a scenario where people report their kills afterwards and see how it matches up to stats. Hostile shores was somewhat like that, but film viewer messed it up a little.... besides we never quite got the reporting the way it should be
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To answer the questions,
Yes I would turn it off for myself, heck the way I fly, it must be turned off now :rofl
Could care less about the attaboy factor really, and no it would not affect how I fly :aok
:salute
JDog
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Bad day of AHII - On, Good day - Off.
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If you could shut off kills landed messages for yourself, would you?
I'm not talking about shutting it down for everyone, but just you, so that anytime you happened to land kills, no one would know it. There me be 300 other people who leave it on and land 74 kills in their Spit 16 of vulching doom, but your 6 in your 51D are known only to you.
I'm just curious how important it really is to people?
Do you think you'd fly differently if you didn't get your name in lights and the 'attaboys' that follow?
I'D shut it down. i like to see the plane in front of me go boom, or i like to see important pieces fall off....assuming that is, that i managed to saddle up the bogie.
the only way there's still any excitement once the fight is over, is in trying to limp home in a severly damaged aircraft(again, assuming i survive). it's just the principle of gettin my cartoon airplane back to my cartoon airfield.
there's no real thrill in seeing *1LTCAP has landed X kills in a P-38J. the thrill was earning the kills.
as for changing how i fly? nope. i ether dive into a furball, or i try to set up the fight, so i have a decent chance of surviving past 2 or 3 turns.
<S>>
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I would leave it on. I so rarely land kills that I like the recognition.
Yes, turning it off would affect how I fly. If it was off, I probably wouldn't rearm very frequently, and I wouldn't try so hard to land if I was carrying a few scalps to land.
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I agree...get rid of scores and your name in "lights". This game would be so much better if they did that. Too many people striving to get their name in the text buffer so other intarnit pilits can see just how "elite" they are. :rofl :rofl
It's no secret that scores are a joke. What's the point? :rolleyes:
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I'd leave it on, of course its rare that I make it home with kills so its still a thrill for me to get my name in lights.
Would I fly different, nope. I'm balls out all the time. Fly to fight, fight to kill. thats my motto.
I think a lot could be done WITH the scoring. They could use scoring to adjust how people play in the arenas very easily. Most say they done care about the score, but the majority of those really do care.
Bombers, if you bail/ditch you get one tenth of your points, you get killed you get seven tenths, you land you get full points. End result is more buffs would fight and try to return to base.
Fighters, same points whether you bail, die, or land, but you get a multiplier for number of kills landed WITH OUT a reload. You take away the penalty for ditching and dieing so they might fight more, add to that the extra points for getting more kills on a single run forces more fighting, and less people to be "timid" to get those extra kills because they have a time limit on the ride.
GVs, one tenth the points for kills with in one mile of a spawn point (towns should be outside the 1 mile radius at fields) Forces less spawn camping and more ground tactics.
Can these things be done, I don't know, but they are just examples to use "points" to reward good game play, and inhibit bad game play.
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I'd leave it on, of course its rare that I make it home with kills so its still a thrill for me to get my name in lights.
Heh. For me it's embarrassing, there's almost an audible gasp from the assemblage.
"Oldman killed someone?"
"That's what it says on the text buffer."
"Wow. This could be a first."
"WTG OM!!"
- oldman
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Off or on means as little as the ranking system in AH. Off across the board would be great as it clogs the chat area sometimes. When someone lands a few kills it means nothing unless you know how they got the kills. I've upped a goon before and landed 4 kills. I laugh when I see some 10buc2 name landing 15 kills in a tiger...... spawn camper comes to mind.
Now on the other hand if you could turn off your own and also turn off seeing others.... now that would work for me as well.
As for flying different... naaaa I'd still die somewhere in the trees.
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Something I find interresting about all this is most say (vets especially), that they don't care about scores. Yet they are the ones that put in endless hours, months and even years working on ACM and BFMs. I can tell on the 1st merge if I have a skilled pilot on my hands or not. A dead give away is that they will not ho in most cases. That tells me they want to avoid a 50% chance of death right away.
The noobs to the game IMO are the only ones that don't care about score for they'll go to any means to get a kill. We all know that. You can tell the real milkers out there for they have the 9000% hit percentages in bombers and GVs. They're the ones that care about score the most.
I don't buy into the Muppets (just an example don't freak out on me :)),don't care about their fighter skill, which translate to score in some fashion. I mean think about....why do squads actively recruit good sticks? Because it helps out their base line stats and that guy can save their butt some day.
All the sticks in AoM are uber. Everyone of them. Does anyone here think they'll recruit 75688402 anytime soon? I don't think my squad would. It's just human nature to want to be good at whatever you do and doing well is reflected in some aspect in the scoring stats. Good squads are built by design, they don't just "happen".
I for one care somewhat about my stats, not really my score, but I do want to be better then the next guy.That's just the way I am. I want to win.....we all do I think. :salute
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would like it to show up only in squad text like to give kudos to squaddies on squad text only
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All the sticks in AoM are uber.
You obviously have never fought me. :confused:
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not really bothered either way, although its a bit embarassing landing a bunch, getting wtgs and then feeling obliged to explain they were all proxies or lvts...
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I think I'd turn them on or off given the circumstances.
There's been an occasion or 2 when I'm defending a fleet with 5" that I'd like to be able to turn the message off.
The biggest drawback to being given the ability to turn the message off is that when anybody does land 'only' 2 kills in an LA-7 or Spit 16, they're going be given grief for being so lame to allow the message to be displayed.
Just more flaming drivel for the text buffers.
I think the 'name in lights' needs to remain. It's still neat to be part of a squad landing all at once.. and seeing the same of other squads.
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I think the 'name in lights' needs to remain. It's still neat to be part of a squad landing all at once.. and seeing the same of other squads.
agree, always good to see any squad (friendly or nme) land kills together :aok
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Honestly i love getting my name in the lights, how many other people you see landing a 100 at a time? ;)Noobs
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I would absolutely turn them off. One thing I can't stand seeing is 15 guys giving "wtg's" for someone "landing" TWO friggen kills.
Whoooooooopie! :rofl
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Perhaps it should be changed to how many perk points you earned instead of kills. :lol
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The scoring system is a part of the game that most players enjoy, whether some like it or not. It's a way of benchmarking yourself against others. I do admit it affects some players more than it should, but that is their mistake.
I personally like tracking squad mate activity by checking their kill numbers, k/d ratios and time spent in the air. It provides a way to check player behavior, and still be in touch with your squad while your taking a break from the game.
Who doesn't enjoy looking at statistics anyway?
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I would absolutely turn them off. One thing I can't stand seeing is 15 guys giving "wtg's" for someone "landing" TWO friggen kills.
Whoooooooopie! :rofl
Hmm.
Those WTG's for two 'friggin' kills could have been very well deserved.
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One thing I can't stand seeing is 15 guys giving "wtg's" for someone "landing" TWO friggen kills.
Maybe it's a new player who's making an effort to learn to fly and fight properly and that's the first time he's ever landed 2 kills without HOing, spawn camping, etc. Why does it bother you if he gets a pat on the back?
I'd leave it on, but it doesn't make much difference to me. It really doesn't motivate me, and to be honest I don't pay much attention to it. K/d ratio is the only stat I really care about, and that only in fighters (although I do wish they'd separate tanks from other GVs). It's the only real benchmark I have to go on, and it provides a motivation not to just bail as soon as I've dropped ords, run out of ammo, been damaged badly, or what have you. That just seems weak to me unless there's a good reason for it.
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I think the scoring takes away from the game, but on second thought it might be the only reason some people play. What I mean by it taking away from the game is, I think there or a lot of good player's out there that won't put there score in jeopardy to help take a base for there country. And the one thing that drew me to this game was the simulated group combat with a goal in mind, when in actuality I found that in many cases the game is played on a more personal bases. So I think the scoring system in one respect hurts the game in general.....
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Maybe it's a new player who's making an effort to learn to fly and fight properly and that's the first time he's ever landed 2 kills without HOing, spawn camping, etc. Why does it bother you if he gets a pat on the back?
(raises hand, waves it back and forth vigorously)
I can answer that! I can answer that!
Many people believe that the Quest for Adoration encourages bad behavior, and in particular ganging, vulching and running. There is no way to tell whether it's someone who, for the first time ever, landed two kills without HOing, spawn camping &c., or whether he landed 2 kills that were both vulches or picks.
- oldman (sits down)
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I think a lot could be done WITH the scoring. They could use scoring to adjust how people play in the arenas very easily. Most say they done care about the score, but the majority of those really do care.
Bombers, if you bail/ditch you get one tenth of your points, you get killed you get seven tenths, you land you get full points. End result is more buffs would fight and try to return to base.
Fighters, same points whether you bail, die, or land, but you get a multiplier for number of kills landed WITH OUT a reload. You take away the penalty for ditching and dieing so they might fight more, add to that the extra points for getting more kills on a single run forces more fighting, and less people to be "timid" to get those extra kills because they have a time limit on the ride.
GVs, one tenth the points for kills with in one mile of a spawn point (towns should be outside the 1 mile radius at fields) Forces less spawn camping and more ground tactics.
That could be gamed as easily as the current system, though. Bombers would just auger rather than bail or ditch so they'd get the 7/10 points. Fighters, I don't see how that would change much, they'd still run away from a 1-1 fight rather than risking the 3 vulches they already have, or the 1st kill for the guys who figure they stand no chance other than a HO. GVs would just learn to spawn camp from 2000 yards, that's not all that tough a shot.
It's almost impossible to come up with rules that can't be gamed in an obnoxious manner. Some changes might make a small difference, but it's mostly a social problem, not a technical one.
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Cool question, interesting thread. I thought i would ask the inverse of your question. When you are flying around and a " Bucky73 lands 8 kills in a la7 " message runs across the text screen what do you think about it? Do you imagine how he did that? does the thought "camping bastage" come to mind. For me I like the notification because it gives me some idea of what kind of fighting is going on and where the fun may be at. Personally I kind of like to see my rare kills in lights, i work hard for them. I have no idea what my score is and don't care. Actually i will admit that upping at a camped spawn 20 times in a row so i can kill the campers hording their 20 kills is fun, so please leave the kills notice on.
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I think the scoring takes away from the game, but on second thought it might be the only reason some people play. What I mean by it taking away from the game is, I think there or a lot of good player's out there that won't put there score in jeopardy to help take a base for there country. And the one thing that drew me to this game was the simulated group combat with a goal in mind, when in actuality I found that in many cases the game is played on a more personal bases. So I think the scoring system in one respect hurts the game in general.....
Yepper...to many worried about some stupid score sheet. Some people (I consider myself one of them) will take on 2 or 3 bad guys just to see if they can take em...I might add that the majority of time I fail at this :rofl... but that is the way I challenge myself at this game. It is by FAR alot more fun for me doing this. IMO too many others think that the real challenge is just simply not "dying" and will do all they can to avoid an actual fight to do so.
It's just a game boys... Your not really dying, your not really flying, and your not a real pilot.
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I don't buy into the Muppets (just an example don't freak out on me :)),don't care about their fighter skill, which translate to score in some fashion.
Fire in red, smoke in brown. Fire is what we care about, smoke is just a byproduct. Only a couple of us actively care about score.. Zazen.. maybe others but I can't think of any. I can't speak for Zazen but I can't say that he puts score before good fights.
Maybe it's a new player who's making an effort to learn to fly and fight properly and that's the first time he's ever landed 2 kills without HOing, spawn camping, etc.
Nope..
Why does it bother you if he gets a pat on the back?
Not the patting, the spam.
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Cool question, interesting thread. I thought i would ask the inverse of your question. When you are flying around and a " Bucky73 lands 8 kills in a la7 " message runs across the text screen what do you think about it? Do you imagine how he did that? does the thought "camping bastage" come to mind. For me I like the notification because it gives me some idea of what kind of fighting is going on and where the fun may be at. Personally I kind of like to see my rare kills in lights, i work hard for them. I have no idea what my score is and don't care. Actually i will admit that upping at a camped spawn 20 times in a row so i can kill the campers hording their 20 kills is fun, so please leave the kills notice on.
I can't tell you how many times I just bailed from a perfectly good A/C with kills just because I didn't want to go through the boredom of "flying" back to my base. I guess I just don't seek the approval of other internet gamers like some do in here. To each his own I guess.....
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I'd leave it on and fly like I always have. Try to get in trouble and get out with some scalps and hopefully make it home. That's part of the immersion value for me. Trying to make it home after some good fighting..when fights can be found...let's not be so self righteous as to turn scores and landing kills into some sort of taboo. Every system gets abused by some but there is value in scores. It's a measure for one to guage one's self. I know how I fly, looking at my stats tells me how effectively I'm doing it. Only I can apply stats/score to how hard i fought, timid or aggressive.
Once again, whats right for you may not be right for others. If you don't want to land, don't. If I want to land, I will. Landing is part of the "simulation" value to me and I imagine some others. (most) The real issue here is fighting or being a hialtruntardpickinHOerrammerg anger.
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bucky73, i did not pick on you, as i was typing my message and needed an ID, yours was the last one i saw in the thread.. i was just talking about what the messaging does for my game play, and was curious what others thought.
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That could be gamed as easily as the current system, though. Bombers would just auger rather than bail or ditch so they'd get the 7/10 points. Fighters, I don't see how that would change much, they'd still run away from a 1-1 fight rather than risking the 3 vulches they already have, or the 1st kill for the guys who figure they stand no chance other than a HO. GVs would just learn to spawn camp from 2000 yards, that's not all that tough a shot.
It's almost impossible to come up with rules that can't be gamed in an obnoxious manner. Some changes might make a small difference, but it's mostly a social problem, not a technical one.
Auger equals bail or ditch, so it would still be 1/10, but dieing means they were fighting so they get the 7/10. Sure your not going to stop the vulch kills, but think of the fun chasing them down in temps :devil and for the GVs I said a mile, so thats over 5000 feet which give you room to find a way out.
LTOWN, AoM don't care about score, but they do care about winning the fight THAT is why they work at ACM and BCMs
The only reason I mentioned the score plan was because someone suggested getting rid of scores all together. I just suggest using scores to reward good game play. Most of the newer players are "gamers" and score is important, just look at how much crap goes on to get to the top of the page each month :rolleyes:
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Something I find interresting about all this is most say (vets especially), that they don't care about scores. Yet they are the ones that put in endless hours, months and even years working on ACM and BFMs. I can tell on the 1st merge if I have a skilled pilot on my hands or not. A dead give away is that they will not ho in most cases. That tells me they want to avoid a 50% chance of death right away.
The noobs to the game IMO are the only ones that don't care about score for they'll go to any means to get a kill. We all know that. You can tell the real milkers out there for they have the 9000% hit percentages in bombers and GVs. They're the ones that care about score the most.
I don't buy into the Muppets (just an example don't freak out on me :)),don't care about their fighter skill, which translate to score in some fashion. I mean think about....why do squads actively recruit good sticks? Because it helps out their base line stats and that guy can save their butt some day.
All the sticks in AoM are uber. Everyone of them. Does anyone here think they'll recruit 75688402 anytime soon? I don't think my squad would. It's just human nature to want to be good at whatever you do and doing well is reflected in some aspect in the scoring stats. Good squads are built by design, they don't just "happen".
I for one care somewhat about my stats, not really my score, but I do want to be better then the next guy.That's just the way I am. I want to win.....we all do I think. :salute
When we are recruiting...personality comes first....part of the "personality test"...is whether or not they value a good fight....if they are worried about score, before a good fight....their name probably wouldn't pop up in our discussions. I'll give you two recent additions as examples.....
Thing..... we had been having good fights with this fella for some time. We all knew he was looking for good fights...because we kept bumping into him and he never ran even when his adv was taken away....he didnt care about dying...or in other words...he didnt want to die so bad....he was willing to stay in the fight until either he died or died trying....that's Muppet material.
Flotsom.... Flotsom was with Ink...we knew that Ink wanted in and I had fought ink years ago and knew he liked to fight... so we took Flotsom in with ink...neither of them are score dogs, and Flotsom would be the first to admit he's no "uber"
stick.
and one more for youto think about....Grizz.....I caught Grizz scoreHoring and called him out on it...for abotu 2 weeks I could tell it was bothering him...So, one night he calls me out on 200 about dueling...take him in there...see he has great potential..but is E fighting, and depending on it too much.... next thing I know, he's living in the DA....the fire was there....we took him on, and he caught on very quick and is now a really great fighter. It's not that we look for uber sticks to recruit...although we do look for likeminded individuals. :aok
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If you could shut off kills landed messages for yourself, would you?
I'm not talking about shutting it down for everyone, but just you, so that anytime you happened to land kills, no one would know it. There me be 300 other people who leave it on and land 74 kills in their Spit 16 of vulching doom, but your 6 in your 51D are known only to you.
I'm just curious how important it really is to people?
Do you think you'd fly differently if you didn't get your name in lights and the 'attaboys' that follow?
Seeing as I'm a far from 'uber' pilot, I'd probably leave it on. I don't overly mind about the "wtg"s that you may/may not get, but still it can be nice/rewarding in a way that I'm not sure how to explain.
As for flying different, probably not - I just enjoy landing the planes anyway.
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I think the actual question should be, If you are the type that, cares less" about "name in lights or score" at all why land? If the fight is all that matters, then wouldn't it be more efficient to take off, find the furball, fight till ammo and or fuel is gone, ditch, then up a new ride? The time lost from the fighting just to RTB is completely a waste of time, IF "name in lights" and score is so meaningless to an individual!
I think the truth is somewhere in between, as people want to be recognized, just not recognized as tards :aok
It must be very difficult for some folks who continue the chanting of "score and name in lights" doesn't matter, yet landing their kills on a regular basis. :rofl :rofl Oh the internal torment this must cause :rolleyes: :aok
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anyone know of any real life pilots that did not mark their # of kills on their plane?
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bucky73, i did not pick on you, as i was typing my message and needed an ID, yours was the last one i saw in the thread.. i was just talking about what the messaging does for my game play, and was curious what others thought.
I knew you weren't. :aok :salute
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The only time I can see that "landing" your "kills" is worth it would be when you have had a good go with a bad guy or guys and you want them to see that you made it back to your base busted up or made it through a bad situation. Not for the GLORY and praise of your fellow countrymen. :rofl :rofl
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I could take or leave the "kills landed" message. It matters not a bit to me. Removing it wouldn't alter my flight style one bit.
I simply fly to kill the other guy, and returning to base is one of the criteria I use to judge my success. I don't count getting shot down as being equally successful as landing under my own control, regardless of how many kills I have.
I view getting shot down as at least some measure of failing the task I've undertaken. Just as I look at failing to shoot my opponent down as another measure of failing my desired goal.
So, kill's landed message or not, I'm still going to be trying to shoot the red guys and return to base.
Just as returning to base with kills doesn't mean those kills are "hard earned", "valid", "honorable", or whatever, failing to return doesn't imply a valient, valid, or honorable effort either.
Does anybody play this game to lose? The natural result of not losing fights in AH is returning to base, or at least landing/ditching out of gas/ammo somewhere...
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LTOWN, AoM don't care about score, but they do care about winning the fight THAT is why they work at ACM and BCMs
That hurts man :confused: :cry
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I think the actual question should be, If you are the type that, cares less" about "name in lights or score" at all why land? If the fight is all that matters, then wouldn't it be more efficient to take off, find the furball, fight till ammo and or fuel is gone, ditch, then up a new ride? The time lost from the fighting just to RTB is completely a waste of time, IF "name in lights" and score is so meaningless to an individual!
I think the truth is somewhere in between, as people want to be recognized, just not recognized as tards :aok
It must be very difficult for some folks who continue the chanting of "score and name in lights" doesn't matter, yet landing their kills on a regular basis. :rofl :rofl Oh the internal torment this must cause :rolleyes: :aok
This does have some truth to it. I guess for me, it's just finding the appropriate balance between flying aggressively and trying to stay alive. It's very satisfying fighting hard and then being able to bring proper closure to the sortie by landing, but I do see your point shreck. You already understand this though since you land kills yourself, so you are just playing devil's advocate.
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I would only raise the amount of kills that would have to be landed to 5 kills (ace sortie). This would prevent people from getting 2 kills and bailing on you.
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What I mean by it taking away from the game is, I think there or a lot of good player's out there that won't put there score in jeopardy to help take a base for there country.
Removing kill messages wouldn't change this aspect for me one iota either. I'm one of those who won't purposely help take a base.
I don't care what it does for or against my score. I'm simply not willing to waste ammo on landscape features, or on planes that haven't left the ground yet. Kill ack? No way- it just ruins the fight and turns it into a vulch-fest. I'd rather have the enemy fighters have the protection of their ack.
The only time I care who owns a field is when I'm ready to land.
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I think the actual question should be, If you are the type that, cares less" about "name in lights or score" at all why land? If the fight is all that matters, then wouldn't it be more efficient to take off, find the furball, fight till ammo and or fuel is gone, ditch, then up a new ride? The time lost from the fighting just to RTB is completely a waste of time, IF "name in lights" and score is so meaningless to an individual!
I think the truth is somewhere in between, as people want to be recognized, just not recognized as tards :aok
It must be very difficult for some folks who continue the chanting of "score and name in lights" doesn't matter, yet landing their kills on a regular basis. :rofl :rofl Oh the internal torment this must cause :rolleyes: :aok
Dat wat i talkin bout !You go on and tell it green dude! :aok
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I would only raise the amount of kills that would have to be landed to 5 kills (ace sortie). This would prevent people from getting 2 kills and bailing on you.
I don't actually believe this thread is going to have any effect on the way the game is played, but for arguments sake...
Maybe it would work to have the difficulty-level of getting a kill message increase as "skill" improves. Start out as 2 kills, but then only reward with the kill message if a player surpasses his/her previous kills landed "record". If I've landed 15 kills, for example, I'll never get another message until I land 16...
I guess I don't see this thread idea as purely beneficial either. I see it as a balance or trade-off. Remove the message- what do we get? Do we get better fights because there's no fear of losing? Nope. Do we get better fights because there's less incentive to land kills? Could go either way.. Maybe they'll stick around because there's no incentive to return/live/succeed. Then again, with no incentive to return/live/succeed, why put forth any real effort to win?
Personally, I want my opponent to have an incentive to beat me. If he doesn't care, I can't believe he'll try as hard as he would if he did care.
Would this "scoreless", "rewardless", "gloryless" concept work in any other competitive aspect of our lives? If not why would we expect it to work here?
Would an athlete compete as hard if there were no scores kept? Would you work hard at school or work if your effort had no effect on any aspect of your life? Be honest- if your life expenses were taken care of whether you went to work or not, and whether you worked hard or not, would you still go and put forth a good effort?
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All I care about is having the best fights possible in the game. If changing the kill messages one way or another will change the overall trends in the game towards better fights, I'm all for it. I personally don't care much about em right now. They're no more an indication of what the fights were like than score or stats are.
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Some of my proudest kills landed were 2 kills, when your shoot down 2 people and they know you are hurting really bad, maybe even they saw your wing fall off. Going home to land with one wing and 4 spit 16's chasing you is very good for a laugh.
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Landing 2 kills from 5min+ edge of your seat and sweaty hands fights beats any 20+ streak. Apples and oranges, even.
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Mtnman and shreck make some good points, and they echo a couple of mine. As players in this game, we all like competition. So, in as much as we all like to win, we all care about our "score" to varying degrees. For me, the stats are a good yardstick on my performance. I'd like to get better at getting kills while under duress and I'd like to improve my accuracy. Also, I like to look at other's stats to compare to mine or to just see how they are doing.
For a person to say the do not care about their score utterly, is wholly dishonest.
Also, we all enjoy recognition by our peers. I'm not talking about "name in lights" specifically, but other things as well. Let's use Bucky as one example. He's a good stick and likes to fight but doesn't care about seeing his name in lights. I bet, after he put up his fiercest resistance against say, a 3v1 where he got one or two of the bad guys, he'd appreciate on some level if his opponents acknowledged his fine fliyng with a "Good fight" or "WTG". I'm not saying Bucky's night would be ruined if he didn't get it, but it's nice to have one's efforts recognized. This is just human nature.
Speaking for myself, I appreciate a WTG, or <S> in the arena, whether it's for my name in lights, putting up a good fight in defeat, or for just clearing a teammate's 6. It's just as gratifying to help a teammate as it is to get a kill. In fact, if I were known for anything at all, I'd wish it was that I am a good teammate. My enjoyment of the game isn't snuffed if the attaboy's aren't forthcoming, but they are nice. I think everyone who is strong enough to be honest will admit this as well.
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The only attention I give score is to commandeer CVs to land on em. I don't think good sportsmanship and score are so closely related. They're separate concerns.
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The only attention I give score is to commandeer CVs to land on em. I don't think good sportsmanship and score are so closely related. They're separate concerns.
I don't believe you. If you didn't care about score on any level, you wouldn't compete.
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Well I'll speak only for myself. I don't think it would influence the way I fly. :)
Come on... I'm sure you've gotten more than 4 or 5 without a rearm.
Or do you rtb at 5? :lol
I only RTB if the fight gets boring and I might have a enough fuel to make it home and ammo is super low, no matter 1 kill or 20. The only time I pull out of a fight is bingo ammo, I drop out of a fight when the fuel runs out. I *never* base my fighting on landing kills, It's just icing on the cake to me if I happen to. If I were wrorried about landing kills I wouldn't drive a 190 on the deck in a horde of spits, 38s and LAs.
I think landing kills makes a huge difference in the way many fly. For one, "running" home to land kills. Some pile-its will leave their buds getting mauled to run home and land kills. SOME <cough> will escort some out of a fight so they can run home and land perks,..... know what I mean? I think it effects the way people fly more then they think, and\or willing to admit. Since the old added is "who cares about points?", hence we deal with denial. "I don't care about points, but I will cry like a baby if someone kills me OTW to land them..."
That said, it would not effect me since I RARELY make it home to land kills. Mostly because I rarely take enough fuel, I start my flight from 2 bases out, and my bouncy x52 makes me spray ammo a little more then I'd like. I know if I were to actually land a kill and my name in lights,... it would entail expensive party favors and dancing girls for such a rare occasion.
So I agree with Guppy's initial thoughts on this. I don't think it should be done away with because to each their own. But points\perks to get perked planes in itself promotes dweebery...IMO. But then you almost can't not perk planes. OTOH in that other game, AC was never perked at all and you didn't quite have the same issues. Spits wouldn't be so uber if other planes were free to go up against them...IMO.
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I don't believe you. If you didn't care about score on any level, you wouldn't compete.
When I say score I mean the statistics accounted from everything I do in game. They're just numbers. I play the game to have fun, to compete in the fights, not to have the best numbers. If I have competitive stats and score as a direct consequence of having fun and kicking ass, it's not the end I'm aiming for, for as much.
I'd ditch public broadcasting of my stats and kills, yep. People would still recognize a pattern if everytime they got a kill on or from me, it was coincident with good fights from a competitive player. That's all the reputation you need. Not a score system that makes people dodge good fights because it might put a dent in their stats/score.
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anyone know of any real life pilots that did not mark their # of kills on their plane?
Do you know how many never flew again after becoming a mark on another plane?
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Also, we all enjoy recognition by our peers. I'm not talking about "name in lights" specifically, but other things as well. Let's use Bucky as one example. He's a good stick and likes to fight but doesn't care about seeing his name in lights. I bet, after he put up his fiercest resistance against say, a 3v1 where he got one or two of the bad guys, he'd appreciate on some level if his opponents acknowledged his fine fliyng with a "Good fight" or "WTG". I'm not saying Bucky's night would be ruined if he didn't get it, but it's nice to have one's efforts recognized. This is just human nature.
Agree totally. I don't however care if I get them from my fellow countrymen unless they were there and witnessed my moment of GREATNESS. :D :salute
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When I say score I mean the statistics accounted from everything I do in game. They're just numbers. I play the game to have fun, to compete in the fights, not to have the best numbers. If I have competitive stats and score as a direct consequence of having fun and kicking ass, it's not the end I'm aiming for, for as much.
I'd ditch public broadcasting of my stats and kills, yep. People would still recognize a pattern if everytime they got a kill on or from me, it was coincident with good fights from a competitive player. That's all the reputation you need. Not a score system that makes people dodge good fights because it might put a dent in their stats/score.
ahh, I am not being clear. When I am referring to score, for the sake of this conversaiton, I do not mean just the score pages. I mean getting in fights and competing with the desire to succeed. Since you are a furballer, "succeed" would be to find a worthy opponent(s) and kill him or at least get in a good fight where the victor demonstrated fair minded puissance. Now naturally this wouldn't be fun or competitive if you killed him every time, or lost every time. I'm confident that you would like to win at least a few well earned victories. Inasmuch as this is true for you, you care about "score".
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Yes I do, in that sense.. but I don't check the leaderboards.
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It would be much more entertaning if the message listed, who you killed :devil
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This does have some truth to it. I guess for me, it's just finding the appropriate balance between flying aggressively and trying to stay alive. It's very satisfying fighting hard and then being able to bring proper closure to the sortie by landing, but I do see your point shreck. You already understand this though since you land kills yourself, so you are just playing devil's advocate.
:aok
It can be hard work to kill a muppet. Tagging them, then them seeing on channel that you bagged them is yummy, and good for chnl 200 entertainment :D
It just doesn't happen that often :aok :salute
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It would be much more entertaning if the message listed, who you killed :devil
I thought about mentioning this. It was this way in AH. Each of us have a person(s) we enjoy killing more than the average MA kill. For instance, I like killing Flyingfin. When I do, he either treats me to some amusing hate-filled text on 200 or ups a plane and comes right after me. Even when we are on the same team he treats me to occasional snide remarks about how I am just a picker, can't fight, etc. The guy hates me, although I don't reciprocate the sentiment.
1BDSPADE is another favorite. Every time I kill him he cries like he just lost his dog, even if he was in the process of gangbaning a squaddie of mine. It's beautiful.
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Yes I do, in that sense.. but I don't check the leaderboards.
Ya, sorry I was so vague originally.
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I mean that's what I was saying. I care about competitive and that inevitably gives good score, but I don't care about the score itself, the numbers. And that's the point argued here: IMO you can't ever see whether a good fight was had by merely looking at what score or rank or the victory channel says. So with respect to good sportsmanship and competition, we could do away with all three. :)
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I like the name in lights. It often tells me when I shouldn't bother to continue sitting on the runway waiting for another delayed kill :) (eg. I know I just shot up "so-n-so", and then I see a landed message for so-n-so, that means I'm not going to collect a kill on that damage).
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Agree totally. I don't however care if I get them from my fellow countrymen unless they were there and witnessed my moment of GREATNESS. :D :salute
Bucky73 in action You're the best!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61yKkQJSZVk
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Time short and I only read to page 3 so my apologies if this was already stated.
Whether I'd them off I don't know, maybe on non squad night.
I would like to see it changed to when you land more than your average kill ratio it then maybe displays a message. Although this would lead to timid flying also similar to if the number required was raised to 5.
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I would like to see it changed to when you land more than your average kill ratio it then maybe displays a message. Although this would lead to timid flying also similar to if the number required was raised to 5.
Good idea, I like it.
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I would like to see it changed to when you land more than your average kill ratio it then maybe displays a message. Although this would lead to timid flying also similar to if the number required was raised to 5.
:uhoh
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Yeah uping it to 5 would be my opinion, or turn it off don't care! I do like seeing squads land together. (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-violent066.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org)
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I never had played for score nor care for anyone else that does. For me it takes away from the fun of the game and can lead to people being obsessed with scores to do some rather shady things to acheive it.
However, from a gameplay point of view, I don't think the system message should be upped from 2 to 5. The 2 kill requirement for a system message is a 'carrot' for new players to try and reach for. For a new player to see his name in lights can be a very motivating factor and something to reach for. If it is increased to a larger number, you can possibly lessen the motivation for new players as they now see 5 kills as an impossible number to acheive or maybe push them in the direction to do shady things to get their name in lights.
I've always looked upon the 2 kill requirement as a stick and carrot sort of thing for new players.
ack-ack
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I never had played for score nor care for anyone else that does. For me it takes away from the fun of the game and can lead to people being obsessed with scores to do some rather shady things to acheive it.
However, from a gameplay point of view, I don't think the system message should be upped from 2 to 5. The 2 kill requirement for a system message is a 'carrot' for new players to try and reach for. For a new player to see his name in lights can be a very motivating factor and something to reach for. If it is increased to a larger number, you can possibly lessen the motivation for new players as they now see 5 kills as an impossible number to acheive or maybe push them in the direction to do shady things to get their name in lights.
I've always looked upon the 2 kill requirement as a stick and carrot sort of thing for new players.
ack-ack
perhaps people should be able to set a limit for themselves.. i.e. it only shows system message for 4+ or 5+ or 10+ if one wished.. anything lower would not show..
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perhaps people should be able to set a limit for themselves.. i.e. it only shows system message for 4+ or 5+ or 10+ if one wished.. anything lower would not show..
I kind of like that idea. Default would still be two to encourage the newer players.
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I say keep the minimum at 2 to get your name in lights. but add a new feature. make the individual land at a friendly airfield and after they click :end sortie: Give them the choice to actually log the kills like the box that pops up before a mission. If it doesnt match to what they actually did. the kills do not count. This way those who worry about their kills/score can log them and have those go towards their overall rank. for those who dont will not have an overall score until they log their kills.
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I agree...get rid of scores and your name in "lights". This game would be so much better if they did that. Too many people striving to get their name in the text buffer so other intarnit pilits can see just how "elite" they are. :rofl :rofl
It's no secret that scores are a joke. What's the point? :rolleyes:
Shaddup, you retired remember? :lol
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perhaps people should be able to set a limit for themselves.. i.e. it only shows system message for 4+ or 5+ or 10+ if one wished.. anything lower would not show..
Maybe your name shows up in lights at the default of 2 kills.. IE:
NOVA Landed Kills in a F4U-1A of Army of Muppets
but it doesnt show 'how many' kills you landed until you reach 5+:
NOVA Landed 5 Kills in a F4U-1A of Army of Muppets
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New Idea! Why doesnt it just say "Strokes is Uber" when Strokes lands kills?
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New Idea! Why doesnt it just say "Strokes is Uber" when Strokes lands kills?
Computers can't lie :D
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If you could shut off kills landed messages for yourself, would you?
Yes. I asked for the option in the Wishlist forum a couple of months ago.
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The text buffer sure is full of all these people that "don't care" about landing kills, name in lights, etc. doing that exact thing. IMO half of you are lying through your tooth. I like landing multiple kills, so I guess I'll never make the Cool Guy Fighter Pilot Club. :rolleyes:
Btw, the soo uncool "attaboys" from players I'd never spoken to before have started & led to bunches of new virtual friendships, so I like the way things are as-is.
I'm gonna need a list of the names of those of you that suddenly "don't care" about landing multiples or WTGs, as I have a habit of telling those of you that I recognize WTG or good job. Wouldn't want to continue to "embarrass" you guys & all.(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/5663/smilieauslachen.gif) (http://img10.imageshack.us/my.php?image=smilieauslachen.gif)
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The text buffer sure is full of all these people that "don't care" about landing kills, name in lights, etc. doing that exact thing. IMO half of you are lying through your tooth. I like landing multiple kills, so I guess I'll never make the Cool Guy Fighter Pilot Club. :rolleyes:
Btw, the soo uncool "attaboys" from players I'd never spoken to before have started & led to bunches of new virtual friendships, so I like the way things are as-is.
I'm gonna need a list of the names of those of you that suddenly "don't care" about landing multiples or WTGs, as I have a habit of telling those of you that I recognize WTG or good job. Wouldn't want to continue to "embarrass" you guys & all.(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/5663/smilieauslachen.gif) (http://img10.imageshack.us/my.php?image=smilieauslachen.gif)
The fact that I was able to on average land 5-6 kill sorties wasn't due to me wanting to see my name in lights but rather due to my opponents not having sufficient skill to keep me from landing my plane.
ack-ack
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Its a interesting question. And some of us already DO TURN OFF THE KILL MESSAGE. For me personally I bail out or auger the plane. No need to ditch for me... So the switch for turning off the kill message is already there. some times i like to see my name in lights and will land.
<S>
So to specifically answer the question I already do sometimes. {I try to land any perk ride so I don't waste perks}
No It does not change the way I fly except for what it takes to make it back.
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What about just making the landing message a tune to channel. Like 200.?
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IMO half of you are lying through your tooth.
He figured out that a lot of you guys are Willie Nelson fans.
- oldman
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I would like to not see names of who I shoot down or who shot me down. The landing kills message I squelch already. If noone sees the amount I land, that's fine with me. To know I did down someone to confirm that person is in the tower instead of to my 6 is enough for me.
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I'd be to lazy to turn them off. :D
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Good question Guppy!
I actualy find myself ditching on purpose if nothing kills me, I even go as far as flying to home base and landing on the grass. Simply so i dont have to have my name up. If i have a lot of kills from one of those sorties i usualy dont mind landing them but only to rub in the faces of the spit16 gangers that wanted me dead so bad and failed.
So no i would not hide this message, i can do so by landing on the grass quite easily, but i like the option to land kills if i have a horde bagged. Dont think it would change my flying either, because if im vulching or gangning i make sure i die in the end.
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I think the actual question should be, If you are the type that, cares less" about "name in lights or score" at all why land? If the fight is all that matters, then wouldn't it be more efficient to take off, find the furball, fight till ammo and or fuel is gone, ditch, then up a new ride? The time lost from the fighting just to RTB is completely a waste of time, IF "name in lights" and score is so meaningless to an individual!
I think the truth is somewhere in between, as people want to be recognized, just not recognized as tards :aok
It must be very difficult for some folks who continue the chanting of "score and name in lights" doesn't matter, yet landing their kills on a regular basis. :rofl :rofl Oh the internal torment this must cause :rolleyes: :aok
Since I asked the question, how often do you see me land kills? :)
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I don't believe you. If you didn't care about score on any level, you wouldn't compete.
The fight is the competition for me. The score doesn't matter. This isn't life and death and all i have to gain in the time I get to play is the thrill of a good stick bending fight.
The recognition you've mentioned comes from letting the guy you've just fought know that they've flown well, nice shot, or whatever. I'd far more want to be recognized in AH for being a guy who doesn't turn away from a cartoon airplane fight, and is a good sport about it win or lose.
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The fight is the competition for me.
This is a psrt of "score" I was including. The joy of the competition.
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I would turn it off because it doesnt matter one bit.
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If you could shut off kills landed messages for yourself, would you?
There's already the option to _not_ land your kills, after ammo/fuel is gone auger and reup. If you don't care about boosting stats / gaining virtual cajones that is.
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Sorry Can't read 9 pages of post so if it has been stated before :cool: I would turn mine off when I do land :lol
Im sure people have left a fight not to Lose there Kill Message. Or the ones that get 2 kills then land .... Rinse repeat ....
I think it meant more to me when I first started, so I do understand why it there maybe a DOT command to turn it on and Off.
Crims
Oh BTW nice to see ya back Guppy :D
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personally, I would shut them off for people i dont like, not my self. If i can get a wtg or 2 when I land i fly better...I think, but others may dis agree.
thats how i felt when i played at least.
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WTG's are a morale boost for me at least. I mean, when I land 10 kills in a Chog full of vulches...not so much...but when I land a few hard earned kills in a 109F or something, yes.
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Something I find interesting about all this is most say (vets especially), that they don't care about scores.
Yet invariably they have good scores. :devil
Maybe not top 10 or anything, but good enough to be recognized as very effective pilots, if you know how to read the box score. I'm sure if any of these vets found what they were doing wasn't resulting in at least 3 dead bandits for every time they get shot down, they'd alter their method.
Anyway, I reckon HTC was right to set up the system as is, its really the only reward for RTBing sucessfully. Its your right to not want it to come up in the textbuffer if you wish, but like Bel said, all you gotta do is ditch.
I reckon if we didn't have the "carrot" of name in lights, combat would get lamer and less realistic, instead of the other way around. Myself, I like getting a kill this much :) and hate getting shot down this much :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: so it wouldn't change how I fly, but true score potatoes would soon realize that their best deal when you factor k/s and k/t into it would be to fight like a kamikaze in an uber-cannon bird in furballs. Without the reward for dragging your plane back to base with kills, fuel management would go out the window and M.A.D. hoing would shoot up even more.
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Id leave it on. I like landing kills, and I like seeing others land kills. I like to kill someone who's name pops up a lot. I'm sure a lot of you guys despise us sad saps that land with...gasp 2 kills, but what can I say? At least I'm honest. I guess my score suffers because I like to land kills. I would assume my score would go up if my kill/time and kill/sortie were higher.
If we didn't have the option, and landed messages were turned off, I think more people would be inclined to take less fuel, auger when they ran outta ammo, and return in a brand new kamikaze plane. I'm not sure that would be better for gameplay.
btw...Here's an idea...If landed messages, wtg's, <Salute>, oinks, etc. bother you...dont look at the evil buffer.
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Then there's the new guy who has asked for help from vets and has learned from them, done his time in the TA, mixed it up time and again in order to improve. You see this guy start to land a few kills now and then..... what's wrong with the guy getting a few attaboys for his efforts? (someone else mentioned something similar to this earlier, good point)
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I don't oppose kill msgs in MA. Definitely think it should be upped from 2 to 3 however.
Or maybe have some selective ranges. Say, you would need 5 kills to get a msg when landing in a spit16/nik and 7 in a tempest :lol Only planes you should get a buffer for 2 are p40s and other eny hilarities.
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Off. Permanently. For everyone.
"Name in Lights" has been a major reason that game play took a nosedive, IMHO. People used to fly for the fights, win or lose (some still do). Many these days will try to get 2 kills as easy as possible and run to the nearest field to land them. As soon as the "name in lights" became standard, the incidence of 190's dropping 15K over people upping at a field became commonplace.
Just last night, got vulched on final by a guy who was fully engaged in a fight, who dropped 8-10K just to kill me with my wheels down, 10 feet over the end of the runway.. What other reason would someone have, other than that "attaboy" when he raced home for killing his two?? Is there some sort of skill involved in shooting a plane straight and level at 150 IAS that I don't know of?????
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I take off every flight fully intending to return safely, not necessarily because I want to see my name in lights (many times I rtb with no kills) but because it makes it more "real" for me.. shooting other people down is only half the fun for me, escaping with my life is the other half.
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Just last night, got vulched on final by a guy who was fully engaged in a fight, who dropped 8-10K just to kill me with my wheels down, 10 feet over the end of the runway.. What other reason would someone have, other than that "attaboy" when he raced home for killing his two??
Payback?
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I like flying and getting kills in the game. I don't like that I get wtg's for only 2 or 3 kills so in a way i wish they were turned off until at least 5. When I land 5 or more i get less WTG's even though thats when I would expect them the most.
Landing 7 kills without rearming is not easy but can be done....er I should say, getting 7 kills is not easy and landing them for me is even harder since my flying style usually makes for a hard way home. Low to no fuel/ammo or tore up so badly that I'm just a bullet away from death.
The most exciting flights for me end when I'm finally able to touch down missing half a wing and a handful of kills. Limping home with a pilot wound and some kills is very challenging too.
The mesg: Tools landed 7 kills in a F6F-5 with a 1/2 wing..... would be cool :aok.
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Most probably.
A definite NO.
:aok about the same here. i dont know how it would affect the community as far as flying diffrence
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I like flying and getting kills in the game. I don't like that I get wtg's for only 2 or 3 kills so in a way i wish they were turned off until at least 5. When I land 5 or more i get less WTG's even though thats when I would expect them the most.
Landing 7 kills without rearming is not easy but can be done....er I should say, getting 7 kills is not easy and landing them for me is even harder since my flying style usually makes for a hard way home. Low to no fuel/ammo or tore up so badly that I'm just a bullet away from death.
The most exciting flights for me end when I'm finally able to touch down missing half a wing and a handful of kills. Limping home with a pilot wound and some kills is very challenging too.
The mesg: Tools landed 7 kills in a F6F-5 with a 1/2 wing..... would be cool :aok.
Are you saying that the satisfaction of having survived with 7 kills and half a wing isn't enough? Does the landed kills message give you more incentive to survive that kind of fight? Just trying to clarify it for me :)
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Are you saying that the satisfaction of having survived with 7 kills and half a wing isn't enough? Does the landed kills message give you more incentive to survive that kind of fight? Just trying to clarify it for me :)
Well everybody is different. For me there would be no reason to try to make it home if I could not get a landed successfully mesg. Adding kills to that mesg for that type of flight makes it all the better. Even without damage I like to see that I was able to make it home and scored more than 3-4 kills. If the mesg was not there and no extra perks were awarded for landing safely, I'd probably just ditch where i ran out of fuel, ammo or wing parts and just get a new plane.
It's just a game, not real life. I can have as many planes as i want and don't have to wait or walk far to get another.
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That's it right there. Everyones mission is different. I think most peoples mission is to get as many kills they can and get home in one piece. Is that wrong?
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I think most nits mission is suicidal or seems to be.
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I think a big part of the "gamy" things people complain about stem from the infinite lives we have in game, I wish MORE reward and emphasis were put on surviving and returning home. It would encourage people to fight and fly in a way more reminiscent of how it actually was done. of course many people will grip that this would make players more "timid" of course their definition of being "timid" is not upping froma capped field so they can get easy kills, or someone is being "timid" when they run from a 5 V 1 fight... of course that's really not being timid, that's just NOT being an idiot.
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I would say it's a social component of the game. One is often alerted that someone they're friendly with is on because of a channel 6 message. As I indicated earlier, the messages are also interesting to me to find out if either friend or foe were able to make it out of the situation you were both involved with. It can also indicate a few things about a player when you see the frequency, plane type, and amount of kills in messages over a time period. Generally speaking I like the system, and think ".squelch 6" is sufficent for someone who does not like it.
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I think a big part of the "gamy" things people complain about stem from the infinite lives we have in game, I wish MORE reward and emphasis were put on surviving and returning home. It would encourage people to fight and fly in a way more reminiscent of how it actually was done. of course many people will grip that this would make players more "timid" of course their definition of being "timid" is not upping froma capped field so they can get easy kills, or someone is being "timid" when they run from a 5 V 1 fight... of course that's really not being timid, that's just NOT being an idiot.
But this isn't WW2. No one determines the plane you fly or the mission you are assigned. You aren't flying a 109G with 10 hours in it, and 10-1 odds aqainst you as the Allies are covering the sky with 51s and Jugs.. You aren't a P39D pilot flying against Zekes and Tonies that are always above you like a USAAF pilot in 42 was doing in New Guiniea. You have infinate lives and there is nothing at stake. You get to choose what you do.
If you are talking about a scenario, I'd agree with you. One life means something. But then again you have a mission, plane type, target, etc.
I'd argue that it's idiotic to not fight, since we do have infinate lives and aircraft in the MA.
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But this isn't WW2. No one determines the plane you fly or the mission you are assigned. You aren't flying a 109G with 10 hours in it, and 10-1 odds aqainst you as the Allies are covering the sky with 51s and Jugs.. You
I'd argue that it's idiotic to not fight, since we do have infinate lives and aircraft in the MA.
if thats all there is too it.. then granted, but there is more to the "experience" then the fight IMO.. that is what the experiences centers around, its the core, but its not the entire experience no more than the lead singer is the band, or the lyrics is the music.
people don't play for the fight, they play because its fun, and fun in this game can come in alot of flavors. for me what makes it fun is "being there" I.E. leaving my desk and sitting in a ww2 airplane and flying a mission.. of course 90% of the work at "being there" is on my end.. how much I can "get into it" depends largely on myself, not the game. the game is just a tool (full of other tools *snark* ). but every little bit helps. I enjoy the fight as much as anyone, I promise you that. but its only a piece of the pie for me.
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I like flying and getting kills in the game. I don't like that I get wtg's for only 2 or 3 kills so in a way i wish they were turned off until at least 5. When I
The mesg: Tools landed 7 kills in a F6F-5 with a 1/2 wing..... while eating a bag of cheetos , would be cool :aok
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i dont like getting wtg's on country channel for 2 kills and in certain situations it's embarrassing. (as i tend to do, running out of ammo in something like nik or f4u1c)
but I use my k/d and k/s scores as a crude measure of my progress in the game over the last 2 yrs. I try to stay alive, and land with kills.
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I try to emulate what a P47 etc. Pilot would do during combat.
Use his advantages, take into account the type and number of aircraft involved etc.
Kills landed are not important to me. The fight, doing my best during the fight, and employing SA,
BFM, and ACM are. Kills in lights not important.
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I thought about mentioning this. It was this way in AH. Each of us have a person(s) we enjoy killing more than the average MA kill. For instance, I like killing Flyingfin. When I do, he either treats me to some amusing hate-filled text on 200 or ups a plane and comes right after me. Even when we are on the same team he treats me to occasional snide remarks about how I am just a picker, can't fight, etc. The guy hates me, although I don't reciprocate the sentiment.
1BDSPADE is another favorite. Every time I kill him he cries like he just lost his dog, even if he was in the process of gangbaning a squaddie of mine. It's beautiful.
You are a picker and you cant fight and Fin dose not hate you he just can't stand your lame style of pickho'nrun-play. :aok
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Can you let your pixel plane and guns do the talking or are you all about posting diarhea? How about it, you or Fin set up some fights vs Steve instead of talking about it.
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:lol It seems that Steve has hurt someones feelings too many times.
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Hell... I have 10 USD that say Fin and Megalodon couldn't beat Steve 2:1 in the DA.
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Hell... I have 10 USD that say Fin and Megalodon couldn't beat Steve 2:1 in the DA.
I've invited 1bdspade to the DA a time or three, he has always declined. He does his fighting with words in the text buffer. :)
Fin is a nice guy, just doesn't seem to enjoy my company lol.
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how about one step further and remove the scoring system all together
:aok
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I don't see many of those remarks as realistic.
Isn't the whole competitive, one-up-man-ship hard-wired into the male brain? Wait, don't answer that. I already know that it is. What fun is beating the next guy if he doesn't know he's been beat?
Granted, all of that beating doesn't need to be displayed in a nasty manner... what better way than getting your name in lights?
Listen, if someone is chit-talking me on 200 (which hardly ever happens), I LOVE to land kills right after that, even if it's just the measly little two kills (thumbs my chin at the same time... "take that!").
What's the big deal with nobody liking the whole name in lights thing anyhow.
Whatever. Competition rocks. Bring on the kills & lets see 'em.
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But that's the thing.. If some guys will bypass the competition, the kill messages are hollow. If removing the kill messages curtails the need to dodge competition (no reward for it), it could leave those guys with no choice but to get really their hands dirty instead. win-win.
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Yeah, I guess that's true too.
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I had a guy call me out in PMs yesterday because I "ran from a fight" which is 100% true.. I did run, and he didnt follow.. and nobody fought
2 things caused this:
1: I did not want to fight him ON TOP of his base so that when I finally get the upper hand he can just drag me through ack..
2: He did not want to fight away from his base where he couldn't hide in the ack if he lost the upper hand..
I was in a P40E he was in a 109G2.. he could have caught me, no problem but that's not the fight he wanted to fight..
this all points to an undeniable, incontestable truth.. people are creeped out by P40s.
but in terms relevant to this thread, having a name in lights had nothing to do with his nor my decision.. I think "landing kills pat on the back" is often a scapegoat. Its something that is right out there and easy to point at and say "THAT is why he/they fly like that!" I think individual mentality and perception of WHAT is a fair fight and what each individual is willing to go for is what its about.. there are people who will avoid anything more than a 1V1, and there are people who like nothing more than a sky filled with red icons.. and a million variations in between. I think when it comes to where you fall in this range there are many many variables and the biggest one probably is not "will this decision enhance or lessen the chance of having my name in lights?"
Furthermore, its almost impossible to discern, except in your OWN case, whether "timid" flying is being done because someone wants to see their name in lights, or because they want to survive their flight, and frankly.. its nobody's business but their own.
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Honestly, I can't see how eliminating the "Kills Landed" message would change the game in the slightest. Just as I can't see that it would change the game if the message popped up for every single successful landing, kills scored or not. Or if we only had it displayed for landing 30 kills or more.
If you want to get rid of a message that matters, why not get rid of the "Killed By" and "You killed" messages instead? If anything "hurts" in this game it's embarrassment... The threat of failure and the accompanying embarassment could easily sway someone from diving into a fight. And being killed by someone who's going to possibly gloat over it, or call you names for the way you fight could be incentive to avoid the fights to begin with.
Make the fights "anonymous" and the issue is solved... Likewise, eliminating individual names could serve the same purpose.
Without knowing who shot you down, or who you shot down, we wouldn't need any messages at all... "You were shot down by a Knight 109" would be pretty pointless, wouldn't it?
I guess I see the "Kills Landed" message mattering to the game and fight quality about as much as the shade of green used on the "Beacon" light.
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Man, just think how different channel 200 would be if you never had any idea who you'd fought, killed, or been killed by...
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What would you think of the kills and assists only being confirmed once done with the flight? Getting only, in flight, something like "unconfirmed kill on (planetype)"?
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What would you think of the kills and assists only being confirmed once done with the flight? Getting only, in flight, something like "unconfirmed kill on (planetype)"?
good idea, I would even go so far as NO indication during flight other than that of your own eyes.. if you land of course, name in lights, but if you ditch/bail/die only you (nobody else obviousley) get nfo (shot down: player X, player Y.. shot down by: player Z)
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What would you think of the kills and assists only being confirmed once done with the flight? Getting only, in flight, something like "unconfirmed kill on (planetype)"?
Personally, I don't think I'd mind that.
And I'm not actually in favor of eliminating knowing who we fight/kill/die to. I'm just saying the effect of eliminating that would (IMO) dwarf the effect of removing the Kills Landed message.
Knowing who we're fighting almost has to have an effect on the way we fight. Maybe not as much for those of us who are pretty confident in our abilities. And it likely affects our fights after a kill is scored.
For example, I generally don't mind going up against 2 or sometimes 3 other planes. However, if I suspected that the two guys who were teaming up on me were highly skilled, would I be as quick to jump in and get pasted? What if I flew into a 3 v 1, and killed a Muppet, causing me to believe the other two pilots were Muppets, and were working as wingmen to kill me? Would my fight be the same as if I flew into a 3 v 1 and killed a numbers guy, causing me to suspect that the other two were numbers guys too?
Compare those two scenarios to a completely anonymous environment. My fight mentality would be much more based on numbers and plane type than on percieved skill of my opponents.
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Man, just think how different channel 200 would be if you never had any idea who you'd fought, killed, or been killed by...
Result? Maybe more hypocrisy? ;)
All those players vocally detesting HOing or spawncamping could now start to do exactly that, with not much risk of getting "caught" (unless films is checked, of course)
(In addition to all those that already are calleing out dweebs on CH200 while doing the same themselves)
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Personally, I don't think I'd mind that.
And I'm not actually in favor of eliminating knowing who we fight/kill/die to. I'm just saying the effect of eliminating that would (IMO) dwarf the effect of removing the Kills Landed message.
Knowing who we're fighting almost has to have an effect on the way we fight. Maybe not as much for those of us who are pretty confident in our abilities. And it likely affects our fights after a kill is scored.
For example, I generally don't mind going up against 2 or sometimes 3 other planes. However, if I suspected that the two guys who were teaming up on me were highly skilled, would I be as quick to jump in and get pasted? What if I flew into a 3 v 1, and killed a Muppet, causing me to believe the other two pilots were Muppets, and were working as wingmen to kill me? Would my fight be the same as if I flew into a 3 v 1 and killed a numbers guy, causing me to suspect that the other two were numbers guys too?
Compare those two scenarios to a completely anonymous environment. My fight mentality would be much more based on numbers and plane type than on percieved skill of my opponents.
I can't think of a reason to side for either one of those two.. There doesn't seem to be a reason to remove that info from the player. Even less if that info is just delayed - if it were still available elsewhere (e.g. the player vs players stats pages). It would make people keep better track of things though, they'd have less of a crutch. I tend to treat players based on how they're flying more than who they are. Most people fly differently from day to day.
Maybe there's better solutions going about this another way.. Maybe instead of removing what we have, the way things are reported could be changed without removing any of it. e.g. if it were changed so that you only knew who you fought in your flight by seeing it on the clipboard, and if that post-flight report also showed stats like hit% and kill/time (or some other stats favored by "courageous" flying), it'd sort of direct players towards more fighting and grab their attention away from the meaninglessness (as far as good fights are concerned) of rank.
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What would you think of the kills and assists only being confirmed once done with the flight? Getting only, in flight, something like "unconfirmed kill on (planetype)"?
I like it!!! Sort of an AAR after each ride. You could have the option to save the text (perhaps to go with a film) or not. :aok
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In the end I believe that too often the desire to see the name in lights creates a timidness in folks who see that as the sign of success, not the success of having flown a good flight and fought a good fight.
I see folks mention that they like it when they land em as a squad. How often is that also a sign of nothing more then a mob that crowded over a base and vulched or picked the guys taking off until they rtb out of bullets to land their 'kills'?
Obviously it's not up to me, but I wish somehow the scoring system promoted the fight more then it promoted timidness.
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I fail to grasp how making the fights more meaningless will improve anything. In a game where any real incentive to do well is limited to the arguably flawed scoring system, or the approval of fellow players, I'm not convinced that removing any of that will help...
The scoring system could easily be improving things overall as it is, as could the Kills Landed message, at least to some extent. Who knows, maybe the incentive of having your name in lights or improving score is enough incentive to get someone to try a better method of fighting than HOing... In that case, having the current system in place would be better than removing any of it. Score is probably the incentive many new players need to attempt to improve at all. Remove the scoring system, remove the incentive...
The incentive of winning the approval/respect of fellow players is dependant on having respect for the other players. Why would I care what someone thought of me if I had no respect for that player? If someone I have no repsect for is ranting on chnl 200 because I HO him, where's my incentive to change? If anything, I may HO more just to be a thorn in his side... In that respect the constant stream of whines, slams, and general belittling on 200 and the BBS may actually be contributing to the "problem" more than the scoring system or any of the kill messages we receive. Respect for my fellow players could easily be founded more on their BBS and chnl 200 behavior than on his/her flying ability. I may only be exposed to player "X"s flying ability once or twice per year, but see his "mouth" on 200 over and over and over and over and over and over... The fact that he kills me once a year isn't going to shape my impression of him much- even less-so if my SA isn't superb, since I won't "see" his skillful flying, and may attribute it to luck, picking, or whatever...
What other incentive is there? What else could be added?
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Obviously it's not up to me, but I wish somehow the scoring system promoted the fight more then it promoted timidness.
What could be done differently to reduce timidness, but not promote recklessness in the process? IMO, a bunch of reckless opponents is just as unsatisfying as a bunch of timid opponents.
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What could be done differently to reduce timidness, but not promote recklessness in the process? IMO, a bunch of reckless opponents is just as unsatisfying as a bunch of timid opponents.
Define "reckless"
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Caring about K/D - or not caring about "dying" can both be taken to extremes and produce some horrible gameplay.
One extreme is hovering at 25k gor hours, extending for 5 sectors before coming back to pick - The opposite end are Lancstucas, bomb'n'bailers, suicide porkers & landgrab hordes that don't care about K/D or about score at all. Where, on both scales, "unhealthy" gameplay starts is unfortunately not clearly to define. 100 players, 100 opinions.
Reagrding to "it's all the fault of having a score system" - the K/D factor withing score system is often vastly overrated, mostly by players not flying for score ;)
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I do not wish to speak for Hitech nor do i pretend that i do...
BUT if I was the developer I would look at a thread like this and the others that criticize other aspects of the game and go nuts.
I would consider banning the guys who have tons of problems with the game for a few months and see how grateful they were when they came back....I don't think the community at large would miss them a bit..the bbs might....
This is a great game as it exists...tons of folks enjoy it....let it go guys....
The truth is 90% of the folks who fly/pay for the game never visit these forums because they like it...
First the problem was spits...then la-7s...then 51's...then spit16's....then any LW plane...then megasquads....then hordes....then missions....then maps...then arena size....now its landed successfully messages???????
Holy crap....when will it end? Seriously.......getting pathetic.... :confused:
What if....the problem isn't the game or game design but it's you...seriously in other aspects of my life when i find myself up against the popular opinion (church council, business boards, Sport teams), I have to sit back and ask myself maybe its me and not them...why do the majority disagree with me or at least not seem to have enough of a problem to raise a fuss??? :salute
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I do not wish to speak for Hitech nor do i pretend that i do...
BUT if I was the developer I would look at a thread like this and the others that criticize other aspects of the game and go nuts.
I would consider banning the guys who have tons of problems with the game for a few months and see how grateful they were when they came back....
You would make a great tyrant.
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You would make a great tyrant.
You would make a great serf :aok
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I do not wish to speak for Hitech nor do i pretend that i do...
BUT if I was the developer I would look at a thread like this and the others that criticize other aspects of the game and go nuts.
I would consider banning the guys who have tons of problems with the game for a few months and see how grateful they were when they came back....I don't think the community at large would miss them a bit..the bbs might....
This is a great game as it exists...tons of folks enjoy it....let it go guys....
The truth is 90% of the folks who fly/pay for the game never visit these forums because they like it...
First the problem was spits...then la-7s...then 51's...then spit16's....then any LW plane...then megasquads....then hordes....then missions....then maps...then arena size....now its landed successfully messages???????
Holy crap....when will it end? Seriously.......getting pathetic.... :confused:
What if....the problem isn't the game or game design but it's you...seriously in other aspects of my life when i find myself up against the popular opinion (church council, business boards, Sport teams), I have to sit back and ask myself maybe its me and not them...why do the majority disagree with me or at least not seem to have enough of a problem to raise a fuss??? :salute
Not sure if this is aimed at me Falc, but I didn't leave the game for a couple months because of the game. You'll note there was no "I'm leaving cause it sucked" post from me. It had all to do with a little guy who needed his Dad focused in on him and I realized I didn't have the time or the energy to put into AH. Now that he's on a decent sleep schedule and some of the other stuff around him has slowed down, dad has time to play again. Not as much, but enough to have fun :)
And I'd hardly consider asking the question a rant or complaint. I just got thinking about it, and figured I'd ask.
So your answer would be? :)
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Not sure if this is aimed at me Falc, but I didn't leave the game for a couple months because of the game. You'll note there was no "I'm leaving cause it sucked" post from me. It had all to do with a little guy who needed his Dad focused in on him and I realized I didn't have the time or the energy to put into AH. Now that he's on a decent sleep schedule and some of the other stuff around him has slowed down, dad has time to play again. Not as much, but enough to have fun :)
And I'd hardly consider asking the question a rant or complaint. I just got thinking about it, and figured I'd ask.
So your answer would be? :)
Dan
you know i respect you and the reasons you took a break from the game were conveyed to me and it made me respect you all the more. :salute The reason i didn't post in this thread for 12 pages was partly out of respect for you...
so "no" this post was by no means aimed at you but at the bbs hordelings who can't find any happiness in the game...i personally do not count you among them. You are among the few who "walk the walk after they talk the talk" :rock
I am thrilled that you are back!
Hope that clears that up
your virtual friend
mike
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In the end I believe that too often the desire to see the name in lights creates a timidness in folks who see that as the sign of success, not the success of having flown a good flight and fought a good fight.
I see folks mention that they like it when they land em as a squad. How often is that also a sign of nothing more then a mob that crowded over a base and vulched or picked the guys taking off until they rtb out of bullets to land their 'kills'?
Obviously it's not up to me, but I wish somehow the scoring system promoted the fight more then it promoted timidness.
what is a fight? a guy runs from you because you have alt and are over your own base.. hes a coward for running? or are you the coward for only fighting with extreme stacked odds?
is it timid to seek a fair fight, and avoid being mobbed?
is it cowardice to run for home when you lose an elevator? have a PW? oil hit? is it cowardice to leave a situation that you feel is unwinnable?
cant really answer such questions, too many variables, too many possibilities, too many "what ifs"
if a person sets off on a mission to shoot down the enemy and return home safely.. thats ok.. as long as they do it the way YOU want them to? Only if they, in your eyes "earn it" if they attack a base and kill those foolish enough to try and take off from it.. they are losers? right? the losers arnt the people trying to roll from a decked, capped base over and over.. oh no.. they are the "brave defenders" right
someone who picks their fights intelligently, knows when to hit and how not to get hit.. what a piece.. what a jerkoff, the REAL.. SKILLED.. players are the ones who dive headlong into a sea of red and die guns blazing.. right?
If I am tooling along in my jug and come across a LA7 and a hurri2C i should DIVE AND!! YES!! KILL THEM!!! I shouldn't run.. knowing only LA will give chase, forcing a 1V1 where I have a good chance at victory, then allowing me to run down the hurricane at my leisure... HELL NO.. thats DUMB I should try and turn fight the LA... while the hurry turn inside me and kills me.. no wait, ill BnZ the HURRI while the LA runs me down and kills me.. that way I accomplish absolutely NOTHING but at least I didn't run like a coward :salute
this thread
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Removing kill messages wouldn't change this aspect for me one iota either. I'm one of those who won't purposely help take a base.
I don't care what it does for or against my score. I'm simply not willing to waste ammo on landscape features, or on planes that haven't left the ground yet. Kill ack? No way- it just ruins the fight and turns it into a vulch-fest. I'd rather have the enemy fighters have the protection of their ack.
The only time I care who owns a field is when I'm ready to land.
I don't hold that against anyone, but what we have is 3 or more separate class of players in the game, we have the players that play to work as a group to take basses, we have the players like you (mtnman) that play the game to put his skills up against another players skill and then we have the players who don't care about either they would just as soon spend all there time in massive furballs. None are wrong but one usually takes away from the other in AH and that was the point I was trying to make.
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The ability to opt out would be appreciated. I would turn it off. Why provide the additional piece of SA to opponents? I would opt out of score if possible as well.
I also disagree with the argument that you need recognition from peers for a job well done. If you play this game long enough you _know_ when you are flying well and when you are not.
I much prefer quietly practicing the craft and in today's AH anonymity is a blessing. However I fail to see how any of this diminishes my desire to compete at the merge.
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what is a fight? a guy runs from you because you have alt and are over your own base.. hes a coward for running? or are you the coward for only fighting with extreme stacked odds?
is it timid to seek a fair fight, and avoid being mobbed?
is it cowardice to run for home when you lose an elevator? have a PW? oil hit? is it cowardice to leave a situation that you feel is unwinnable?
The notion of 'cowardice' in a cartoon airplane game is to me just silly, otherwise my answer to your question would be a resounding 'yes'.
I spend most of my 38G time trolling below folks trying to get them to come down. I don't get that much time to play and climbing to 15 or 20K just takes time, which I don't always have.
Upping into a mob trying to take a base is a challenge. I might get clobbered, but I might take a few with me.
I have absolutely nothing to lose if I fight, regardless of the situation, except the fight itself. And since I get a new cartoon pilot and new cartoon airplane every time, why wouldn't I fight? This is the MA we're talking about, not a scenario, FSO, Snapshot or event where one life matters. How do you test how far your cartoon piloting skills have come, if you only fight in situations where you know you can't lose or the odds are stacked on your side?
I'd think that getting out of your comfort zone would be the only way to get better.
Obviously it's your dime however, so fly as you will :)
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what is a fight? a guy runs from you because you have alt and are over your own base.. hes a coward for running? or are you the coward for only fighting with extreme stacked odds?
is it timid to seek a fair fight, and avoid being mobbed?
is it cowardice to run for home when you lose an elevator? have a PW? oil hit? is it cowardice to leave a situation that you feel is unwinnable?
Well for me it is. Many times when I fight with my plane my style and don't allow the other guys to shoot me down, I'm called a runner. I'm a coward for not dying. It's ironic though, somehow these noble scrappers that say I can't fight and that I'm a runner somehow average about one half to one third as many kills per hour as I do. I'll never figure out how this happens since these O so noble pile-its fight til they die, they rarely spend any time RTB'ing. One day, I hope to be as brave and skilled as these fellows and get half as many kills per hour, or less, as I do now so I can be as gifted as them.
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Well for me it is. Many times when I fight with my plane my style and don't allow the other guys to shoot me down, I'm called a runner. I'm a coward for not dying. It's ironic though, somehow these noble scrappers that say I can't fight and that I'm a runner somehow average about one half to one third as many kills per hour as I do. I'll never figure out how this happens since these O so noble pile-its fight til they die, they rarely spend any time RTB'ing. One day, I hope to be as brave and skilled as these fellows and get half as many kills per hour, or less, as I do now so I can be as gifted as them.
You gotta make up your mind Steve as to what kind of pile-it you are :)
My first night back after a couple months I had created an account but no CorkyJr so I was up with another ID. I went up in a B Pony and got into a great brawl, outnumbered, on the deck, turning and trying to survive. Some guy in a 51D named Steve was down there with me, and shot two guys off me while we were working to avoid a growing red mob that was coming in above us. This guy Steve kept going on the deck and fighting AND turning in that 51D while I was doing the same in a 51B. Eventually the numbers were just too many and this guy Steve and I both got chopped, but not until he and I had taken quite a few with us. I don't know that we ever got above 2K. I know I was laughing at the time as 2 51Ds came down at light speed and couldn't pull out in time while trying to shoot my 51B and I got proxies. It was that fight that reminded me of what I was missing :aok
Thanked you twice on local text twice for clearing me too. I coulda swore it was you. :)
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I don't hold that against anyone, but what we have is 3 or more separate class of players in the game, we have the players that play to work as a group to take basses, we have the players like you (mtnman) that play the game to put his skills up against another players skill and then we have the players who don't care about either they would just as soon spend all there time in massive furballs. None are wrong but one usually takes away from the other in AH and that was the point I was trying to make.
I understand your point, and have no issues with others playing pretty much any way they want. I'm just saying that the kills landed message has no bearing on how/why I play...
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Is there anyway HTC can maybe test having no kill messages? that might be good to see if gamplay gets better for those who dont like it, maybe just a tour without them :aok
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there was another thread about changing the kill amount to like 5 kills to be listed in lights. i think that would change alot of peoples habits too. i see people get 2 kills and then run to land them to be noticed. upping to 5 would make things more competive.
i've landed 2-3 kills many times never leaving the runway in bombers from vulchers augering and being shot down from frontal guns
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A lot of you come from a long background in this game, where 2 kills is "nothing".
Take it from someone who is struggling lately... 2 kills is not a given. For every pilot that posts in this thread that has a K:D ratio of 3:1 and thinks that 5 kills is more worthy, keep in mind there are MULTIPLE people dying and maintaining a K:D ratio below 1:1 for you to have that high a kill ratio, and landing that 2 kills message might be just what gets them to take off next time, and the time after. I could care less about my overall score really, but that little bit of positivity to counteract the hours of frustration.
If you're going to change the kill messages, remove them completely. Don't sit there and only show for those people who are only good pilots or good vultures (i.e. 5 Kills).
(and FYI, I'm not too proud to say that I DO smile when I can finally land 2 or 3 kills and get an "attaboy" from my squaddies. Makes me feel like I'm not letting them down by my poor flying all the time.)
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I think the number of kills required for a landing message should be increased. Maybe to 4 or so.
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I think the number of kills required for a landing message should be increased. Maybe to 4 or so.
Counter-productive. People would fly in an even more timid fashion.
Do away with them all together.
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Maybe after 4 kills it should just punch you out of the plane....
HOST; Kill 4 has been recorded
Vox; Wooohooo poof AHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Maybe after 4 kills it should just punch you out of the plane without a chute
HOST: Kill 4 has been recorded
Vox: Wooohooo poof AHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh *splat*
:lol
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A lot of you come from a long background in this game, where 2 kills is "nothing".
Take it from someone who is struggling lately... 2 kills is not a given. For every pilot that posts in this thread that has a K:D ratio of 3:1 and thinks that 5 kills is more worthy, keep in mind there are MULTIPLE people dying and maintaining a K:D ratio below 1:1 for you to have that high a kill ratio, and landing that 2 kills message might be just what gets them to take off next time, and the time after. I could care less about my overall score really, but that little bit of positivity to counteract the hours of frustration.
If you're going to change the kill messages, remove them completely. Don't sit there and only show for those people who are only good pilots or good vultures (i.e. 5 Kills).
(and FYI, I'm not too proud to say that I DO smile when I can finally land 2 or 3 kills and get an "attaboy" from my squaddies. Makes me feel like I'm not letting them down by my poor flying all the time.)
In a little agreement with this post. There has to be a reward for the newer pilot, however subtle.
Anymore I'm starting to see more vets with issues then newer peeps. This is a hypothetical thread, and sparks an interesting question. OTOH, those like these which are not hypothetical almost become disturbing with the constant repeats or repeats. If all you can do is repeat repeats you probably don't have many issues with the game itself,... more so within...IMO. Some people are addicted to complaining, which is counter productive and the repetitiveness distracts from the issue, as a whine.
This game is crammed with egos. just a personal observation.
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A lot of you come from a long background in this game, where 2 kills is "nothing".
Take it from someone who is struggling lately... 2 kills is not a given. For every pilot that posts in this thread that has a K:D ratio of 3:1 and thinks that 5 kills is more worthy, keep in mind there are MULTIPLE people dying and maintaining a K:D ratio below 1:1 for you to have that high a kill ratio, and landing that 2 kills message might be just what gets them to take off next time, and the time after. I could care less about my overall score really, but that little bit of positivity to counteract the hours of frustration.
(and FYI, I'm not too proud to say that I DO smile when I can finally land 2 or 3 kills and get an "attaboy" from my squaddies. Makes me feel like I'm not letting them down by my poor flying all the time.)
Everybody likes a little recognition, it's human nature, even those in this thread who are preaching against having "landed kills" messages. They just won't admit it.
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Everybody likes a little recognition, it's human nature, even those in this thread who are preaching against having "landed kills" messages. They just won't admit it.
Zactly,... but the real questions IS, would your flying style change if the message wasn't there. Me bets some egos would even quit. <wild giggle>.
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Ok how about if you get killed it still posts how many kills you had. OOO OOO I know..... it can even have a link to your stats.
HOST; Shuffler has been downed with 1.5 kills (www.lotsofzeros.com)
:noid
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I think we all enjoy seeing our name in lights, and the wtg's etc. its gratifying. I also think that the stats page helps with info to help you determine where you need to improve in your flying and for most of us that is what we use it for.
However, there is the "darkside" of all of this, thus it has created players to be fixated so much about there score or stats that it has created a very timid player, more and more players have determined that mitigating "any" risk will help improve their score, so you end up with players that are trying to get as many kills as they can with the minimal amount of risk and in the shortest amount of time = HI-Score.
The days of padding scores on shades are over, now they have to do it the old fashioned way, earn it, but you will always have those "gamers" that don't want to take the time to earn anything, they want it all for nothing.
As a community, we have to accept the good with the bad, but we don't have to accept gamers ruining everyone elses fun.
I don't know what it will take to correct that type of fixation, maybe getting rid of the scoring or ranking system?
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Ok how about if you get killed it still posts how many kills you had. OOO OOO I know..... it can even have a link to your stats.
HOST; Shuffler has been downed with 1.5 kills (www.lotsofzeros.com)
:noid
OR, how about rewarding the killer pilot with more perks for killing a multi kill pilot? Running home to land a kill would be like becoming the piper,...with a stream of perk mongers on his 6.
Pilot A kills Pilot B with with 12 kills.
<thinks about buying stock in kleenex>
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This game is crammed with egos. just a personal observation.
You can't make observations, it's egotistical. What is this, a virtual message board??
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it wouldn't change the way I fly. wouldn't change my kill ratio. wouldn't lessen my deaths. but the game would be missing something if kill messages were gone. its part of AH.
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Agreed. I only want the kill messages disabled in the dueling arena.
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Maybe after 4 kills it should just punch you out of the plane....
HOST; Kill 4 has been recorded
Vox; Wooohooo poof AHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
:rofl :rofl :rofl
I agree with the few of you who are sticking up for the guy who does not have enough time to play or is finding it slow going while new. Landing two kills IS a challenge...three is harder of course but two will get you the ATTABOYS you might need from your squad mates.
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Maybe after 4 kills it should just punch you out of the plane....
HOST; Kill 4 has been recorded
Vox; Wooohooo poof AHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
And the guy flying behind you with 3 kills.Gets the proxy on you poof AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! :D
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If you uber ace tards are so jaded that you have no concern for the future of this game and the psychology of new players, then YES lets turn off all and any reward systems from this point on.
The kill landed message is not for YOU, nor are the PERKS for you.
They are for the future of this game you pompus DORKS.
If how this game operated was left up to YOU jaded uber dorks who pontificate on this board in all of their self rightchous splendor, HTC would go broke because the lot of you would DRIVE away new members with your jaded effected ego fantasies of HOW THIS GAME SHOULD BE PLAYED.
You UBER DORKS have been given the DA to live out your ELITIST fantasies. MOOT should be your EMPEROR and crowned DORK. If you cannot make the DA into your fantasy of UBERISM in AH, leave the future of this game alone. You obviously cannot make the MA into your UBER DORK Fantasy image either. You TARDS realy have no clue in hades how good you have it with this game. YOUR UBER ELITIST whining will destroy it if HTC ever lets his guard down.
When did you DORKS forget what it takes to keep a game community viable and replenished? Now all you talk about is scheams to eat the games young and kill Aces High because you are Jaded. So, since it sounds like you guys are increadably unhappy playing Aces High, is this one of the many threads in the last few years that thinly covers up you attempting to sucker newbies into quiting the game based on your DOOM and GLOOM WHINING?
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If you uber ace tards are so jaded that you have no concern for the future of this game and the psychology of new players, then YES lets turn off all and any reward systems from this point on.
The kill landed message is not for YOU, nor are the PERKS for you.
They are for the future of this game you pompus DORKS.
If how this game operated was left up to YOU jaded uber dorks who pontificate on this board in all of their self rightchous splendor, HTC would go broke because the lot of you would DRIVE away new members with your jaded effected ego fantasies of HOW THIS GAME SHOULD BE PLAYED.
You UBER DORKS have been given the DA to live out your ELITIST fantasies. MOOT should be your EMPEROR and crowned DORK. If you cannot make the DA into your fantasy of UBERISM in AH, leave the future of this game alone. You obviously cannot make the MA into your UBER DORK Fantasy image either. You TARDS realy have no clue in hades how good you have it with this game. YOUR UBER ELITIST whining will destroy it if HTC ever lets his guard down.
When did you DORKS forget what it takes to keep a game community viable and replenished? Now all you talk about is scheams to eat the games young and kill Aces High because you are Jaded. So, since it sounds like you guys are increadably unhappy playing Aces High, is this one of the many threads in the last few years that thinly covers up you attempting to sucker newbies into quiting the game based on your DOOM and GLOOM WHINING?
:rofl :rofl The superheros in their capes and satin leggings like to gather about their "round table" in the center hall of "self rightous" manor and pontificate over their self imposed superiority over all the internet kingdom. They truely are pathetic with their " I've been playing for 10 years and I'm superior cause I had the luxury of a learning curve that I want to deny everyone else" mentality! :rolleyes:
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as bad as suck at this game.. i have landed 5 kills many of times..
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Uh-oh, somebody stepped on Grampa Bustr's angry toe! :uhoh
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If you uber ace tards are so jaded that you have no concern for the future of this game and the psychology of new players, then YES lets turn off all and any reward systems from this point on.
The kill landed message is not for YOU, nor are the PERKS for you.
:rock
Yep...lets pretend everybody is the same and plays the game for the exact same reasons and takes the same type of satisfaction from the game....and if they don't then lets start thread after thread after thread to act like a problem exists because "we" are jaded and cynical and prefer being on the bbs over in the game...
And lets propogate the theory that all new players are mind numbed robots who are incapable of independent thought and are waiting to be captured in the nets of evil veterans who will force gameplay that is unenjoyable and by doing this make them stay!!!
:noid
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:rofl :rofl The superheros in their capes and satin leggings like to gather about their "round table" in the center hall of "self rightous" manor and pontificate over their self imposed superiority over all the internet kingdom. They truely are pathetic with their " I've been playing for 10 years and I'm superior cause I had the luxury of a learning curve that I want to deny everyone else" mentality! :rolleyes:
Quoted for truth! :rock
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They truely are pathetic with their " I've been playing for 10 years and I'm superior cause I had the luxury of a learning curve that I want to deny everyone else" mentality!
Oh, baloney. The topic is whether the "landed kills" buffer text is good or bad. Suggesting that new players will become despondent and flee the game if they can't see their names in lights when they land a certain number of kills is what's patronizing. Why not broadcast to the arena the "You have successfully landed" messages? Hey, new players need the positive reinforcement or they'll give up!
- oldman
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If you could shut off kills landed messages for yourself, would you?
I'm not talking about shutting it down for everyone, but just you, so that anytime you happened to land kills, no one would know it. There me be 300 other people who leave it on and land 74 kills in their Spit 16 of vulching doom, but your 6 in your 51D are known only to you.
I'm just curious how important it really is to people?
Do you think you'd fly differently if you didn't get your name in lights and the 'attaboys' that follow?
Nope, I wouldn't, mostly because if I had the option I couldn't be bothered to make the effort. Personally I don't play for score or to see my name in lights, I play for the fights and the kills but it's still nice to see the message pop up when I land a mit-full.
How important is it to people? LOL, it seems it is very important. To read some of the posts in this thread, the best thing to do is to get rid of the whole damned thing because it's ruining the fights don't you know. And while HTC is at it they should ditch the score system as well.
I've been at this type of game for better than a decade and I'll admit that for awhile I got sucked into the "the fights in here are really starting to suck and it's the score/name in lights causing the bad fights" deal too, but I got over it.
The quality of the fights in this game haven't changed a great deal and are pretty much the same as those I found in AWII/III. What has changed, and always will change as a player gets more accomplished in the game is that player's perception of the quality of the fights they get into. When noobs get their skills up to where they finally managed to win a hard fought kill or two it leaves a mark. As the vast majority of players are of noob or average skill levels, the vast majority of the fights an noob or average stick gets into are against those who are more or less at their skill level. They remember those fights as being something special, difficult, etc. I'll bet they remember some of those fights in detail, I do, but I'll also bet dollars to doughnuts they can't actually remember anything else that was going on around them during their memorable fights - hence the myth of the vast quantities of solid gold 1v1 fights back in the good-old days. As they progress beyond average, the quantity of quality fights they find declines - hence the myth of the decline in the overall skill levels in the game.
Do the "attaboys" make me fly or fight differently? Nope. I fly to fight and fight to get kills. In that regard my goals in the game and the attaboys line up pretty nicely.
Cheers,
asw
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If you uber ace tards are so jaded that you have no concern for the future of this game and the psychology of new players, then YES lets turn off all and any reward systems from this point on.
The kill landed message is not for YOU, nor are the PERKS for you.
They are for the future of this game you pompus DORKS.
If how this game operated was left up to YOU jaded uber dorks who pontificate on this board in all of their self rightchous splendor, HTC would go broke because the lot of you would DRIVE away new members with your jaded effected ego fantasies of HOW THIS GAME SHOULD BE PLAYED.
You UBER DORKS have been given the DA to live out your ELITIST fantasies. MOOT should be your EMPEROR and crowned DORK. If you cannot make the DA into your fantasy of UBERISM in AH, leave the future of this game alone. You obviously cannot make the MA into your UBER DORK Fantasy image either. You TARDS realy have no clue in hades how good you have it with this game. YOUR UBER ELITIST whining will destroy it if HTC ever lets his guard down.
When did you DORKS forget what it takes to keep a game community viable and replenished? Now all you talk about is scheams to eat the games young and kill Aces High because you are Jaded. So, since it sounds like you guys are increadably unhappy playing Aces High, is this one of the many threads in the last few years that thinly covers up you attempting to sucker newbies into quiting the game based on your DOOM and GLOOM WHINING?
As the one who posted the original question, I'd suggest Bustr that your comprehension skills are a bit lacking.
What I asked was, would you turn off kill messages for yourself. I never suggested turning them all off for everyone. What I was wondering is if folks think that the landed kills messages and attaboys impact on the way they fly.
I don't ever recall claiming to be uber at anything in AH outside of wrecking P38Gs, for which I have no peer.
So lighten up Francis, read the question better next time, and don't be so pompous. One would think I touched a nerve or something :)
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My ego needs kudos.......................
trouble is I suck so much it rarely gets any.................
I do think attaboys should have aperk threshold.
2 kills + 2 perks might weed a lot of stuff out (but thats another topic)
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If you uber ace tards are so jaded that you have no concern for the future of this game and the psychology of new players, then YES lets turn off all and any reward systems from this point on.
The kill landed message is not for YOU, nor are the PERKS for you.
They are for the future of this game you pompus DORKS.
If how this game operated was left up to YOU jaded uber dorks who pontificate on this board in all of their self rightchous splendor, HTC would go broke because the lot of you would DRIVE away new members with your jaded effected ego fantasies of HOW THIS GAME SHOULD BE PLAYED.
You UBER DORKS have been given the DA to live out your ELITIST fantasies. MOOT should be your EMPEROR and crowned DORK. If you cannot make the DA into your fantasy of UBERISM in AH, leave the future of this game alone. You obviously cannot make the MA into your UBER DORK Fantasy image either. You TARDS realy have no clue in hades how good you have it with this game. YOUR UBER ELITIST whining will destroy it if HTC ever lets his guard down.
When did you DORKS forget what it takes to keep a game community viable and replenished? Now all you talk about is scheams to eat the games young and kill Aces High because you are Jaded. So, since it sounds like you guys are increadably unhappy playing Aces High, is this one of the many threads in the last few years that thinly covers up you attempting to sucker newbies into quiting the game based on your DOOM and GLOOM WHINING?
You should work on your reading and comprehension skills. While your at it you might get some treatment for that bad case of HUAS you have.
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The kill landed message is not for YOU, nor are the PERKS for you.
They are for the future of this game you pompus DORKS.
If how this game operated was left up to YOU jaded uber dorks who pontificate on this board in all of their self rightchous splendor, HTC would go broke because the lot of you would DRIVE away new members with your jaded effected ego fantasies of HOW THIS GAME SHOULD BE PLAYED.
You UBER DORKS have been given the DA to live out your ELITIST fantasies. MOOT should be your EMPEROR and crowned DORK. If you cannot make the DA into your fantasy of UBERISM in AH, leave the future of this game alone. You obviously cannot make the MA into your UBER DORK Fantasy image either. You TARDS realy have no clue in hades how good you have it with this game. YOUR UBER ELITIST whining will destroy it if HTC ever lets his guard down.
When did you DORKS forget what it takes to keep a game community viable and replenished? Now all you talk about is scheams to eat the games young and kill Aces High because you are Jaded. So, since it sounds like you guys are increadably unhappy playing Aces High, is this one of the many threads in the last few years that thinly covers up you attempting to sucker newbies into quiting the game based on your DOOM and GLOOM WHINING?
Good whine. Not great, but good. B-
"Rightchous splendor" was a nice touch.
If you uber ace tards are so jaded that you have no concern for the future of this game and the psychology of new players, then YES lets turn off all and any reward systems from this point on.
Actually, the "future of this game" and the "psychology of the new players" is pretty much our focus.
Funny how that works out, eh? :aok
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Oh, baloney. The topic is whether the "landed kills" buffer text is good or bad. Suggesting that new players will become despondent and flee the game if they can't see their names in lights when they land a certain number of kills is what's patronizing. Why not broadcast to the arena the "You have successfully landed" messages? Hey, new players need the positive reinforcement or they'll give up!
- oldman
Unfortunately, that may very well be the reality of the situation.
Instant gratification is whats wrong with the younger generation and its effect has not been lost on AH.
Shame. :frown:
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Darn, I guess I messed up by giving a dissenting opinion without calling names.
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Darn, I guess I messed up by giving a dissenting opinion without calling names.
Name calling is always required if you want people to read your post.
DORK! ;)
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How about add system messages like "XXXX has just crashed their 262 into a hanger with 4 kills". I would find humor in that. Well I didn't last night when I slid my broken Tempest through the rearm pad fuel tanks at 150 with 3 kills... It's funny now though. :furious
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tempest dweeb. <S>
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I do not wish to speak for Hitech nor do i pretend that i do...
BUT if I was the developer I would look at a thread like this and the others that criticize other aspects of the game and go nuts.
I would consider banning the guys who have tons of problems with the game for a few months and see how grateful they were when they came back....I don't think the community at large would miss them a bit..the bbs might....
This is a great game as it exists...tons of folks enjoy it....let it go guys....
The truth is 90% of the folks who fly/pay for the game never visit these forums because they like it...
First the problem was spits...then la-7s...then 51's...then spit16's....then any LW plane...then megasquads....then hordes....then missions....then maps...then arena size....now its landed successfully messages???????
Holy crap....when will it end? Seriously.......getting pathetic.... :confused:
What if....the problem isn't the game or game design but it's you...seriously in other aspects of my life when i find myself up against the popular opinion (church council, business boards, Sport teams), I have to sit back and ask myself maybe its me and not them...why do the majority disagree with me or at least not seem to have enough of a problem to raise a fuss??? :salute
DIDO
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Seriously some of you folks do not comprehend a simple question.
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tempest dweeb. <S>
Yes. But I do dogfight in it. i don't just dive and run (i do if greatly outnumbered). I was dogfighting 3 ponies in the weeds over a v-base last night...I made it home thankfully.
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haven't flown one in a while. they are fun
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Shame. :frown:
Well shame was the basis for the whole AW announce system........... there were no attaboys just
goober shot down
goober crashed
goober ditched
goober captured.
our text buffers would be constantly full of this stuff with our arena sizes..........
attaboys appeal to those wanting (needing?) feed back and they allow folk to share in success etc etc
its a loaded question ............frankly it could have been
"ARE YOU THE TYPE OF PERSON WHO NEEDS GRATIFYING FEED BACK OF YOUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS FOR ALL TO SEE"
IMO the answer is yes we all are..............but most just dont want to admit it...........it may not fit in with the character we would like to portray......... its imodest of us .........to admit it lays us open to the critique that we seek gratification when it may be due more to others.
Denial is a wonderful thing........its one of those human traits that you bet the house on.
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haven't flown one in a while. they are fun
Had a blast last night. Me and another squaddie were flying together. We dove on a single zero. I was in the lead with wingman in trail. I hear over vox "B 262 coming in fast break break!!". I broke and my wingie zipped in to kill the zero. I reply "Where's the stinkin 262?!" I get " Did I say 262?" I payed him back later on an RTB we caught a single 51 trying to vulch the field. My wingman took off his wing so I followed him down and stole the kill. Times like those make this game fun. Of course now I will have to blow up my targets or get a killsteal in return... :rofl
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Darn, I guess I messed up by giving a dissenting opinion without calling names.
300 perk penalty,... for misconducted whine.
All that training gone to waste.
Animl
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Denial is a wonderful thing........its one of those human traits that you bet the house on.
One good thing about denial, you never know you're in it.
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You can't make observations, it's egotistical. What is this, a virtual message board??
Don't push me!, I'm being retarded as fast as I can.
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DIDO
400 perk penalty, for multiple repeat whine.
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If you uber ace tards are so jaded that you have no concern for the future of this game and the psychology of new players, then YES lets turn off all and any reward systems from this point on.
The kill landed message is not for YOU, nor are the PERKS for you.
They are for the future of this game you pompus DORKS.
If how this game operated was left up to YOU jaded uber dorks who pontificate on this board in all of their self rightchous splendor, HTC would go broke because the lot of you would DRIVE away new members with your jaded effected ego fantasies of HOW THIS GAME SHOULD BE PLAYED.
You UBER DORKS have been given the DA to live out your ELITIST fantasies. MOOT should be your EMPEROR and crowned DORK. If you cannot make the DA into your fantasy of UBERISM in AH, leave the future of this game alone. You obviously cannot make the MA into your UBER DORK Fantasy image either. You TARDS realy have no clue in hades how good you have it with this game. YOUR UBER ELITIST whining will destroy it if HTC ever lets his guard down.
When did you DORKS forget what it takes to keep a game community viable and replenished? Now all you talk about is scheams to eat the games young and kill Aces High because you are Jaded. So, since it sounds like you guys are increadably unhappy playing Aces High, is this one of the many threads in the last few years that thinly covers up you attempting to sucker newbies into quiting the game based on your DOOM and GLOOM WHINING?
250 perk penalty, for Dark imaginings covering a good point whine.
Suggestion; You'll have to practice more on the aimless flailing arms, ratty hair, running around in figure 8s, and screaming in foreign tongues. French doesn't cut it.
I see your point, if I print it out and hold the paper at a 60 degree angle.
Animl <runs>
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You UBER DORKS have been given the DA to live out your ELITIST fantasies. MOOT should be your EMPEROR and crowned DORK. If you cannot make the DA into your fantasy of UBERISM in AH, leave the future of this game alone. You obviously cannot make the MA into your UBER DORK Fantasy image either. You TARDS realy have no clue in hades how good you have it with this game. YOUR UBER ELITIST whining will destroy it if HTC ever lets his guard down.
your DOOM and GLOOM WHINING?
What the??! :lol Doom and gloom whining? You mean like what you guys have been doing everytime someone dares speak up with a differing opinion? Backed up by transparent rationale? Gone and taken one or two dozen guys totally randomly and set up some 6:6 matches in the DA? Got shot down twenty times this last month or two while typing PMs to guys about how they could do such or such better? Maybe you missed your meds.. Anyway I'm not really susprised... You talk and talk about the muppets being nice and great guys, and then you turn it right around for no particular reason and go right off into the deep end. Not really surprising cause that hypocrisy showed thru on your own forums when I looked at em last month. Your "friendship" is totally bogus.
The part about us hating this game is just funny though.. I love this game. I love dogfighting, I love warbirds, I love finding those great fights where for a couple of minutes everything hangs in the balance, I love competing and seeing crappy players FINALLY go "tilt" and see them click the ACM together like they ought to, and put up great fights, I love the idea that this game has an overall trend of getting better and better. Regardless of how along the way it's faltered a couple of times and that some of its players are certifiable. Take your grand standing hypocrisy and baseless rimshots and shove em.
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DOOM ON YOU DOOM ON YOU
B <runs>
:noid
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i would have to say that i would turn it off. landing kills to me dont mean anything. three quarters of the time i fight till i die no matter if i have kills on board or not. to me the game is fun when i can chat with my squadies or the adopted TSM squadies and my other friends in game. great question though!!! and no i can honestly say that i would not fly any differently if the message was off hehe.
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Careful Betty, you're not supposed to even entertain the idea.
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Well shame was the basis for the whole AW announce system........... there were no attaboys just
goober shot down
goober crashed
goober ditched
goober captured.
our text buffers would be constantly full of this stuff with our arena sizes..........
attaboys appeal to those wanting (needing?) feed back and they allow folk to share in success etc etc
its a loaded question ............frankly it could have been
"ARE YOU THE TYPE OF PERSON WHO NEEDS GRATIFYING FEED BACK OF YOUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS FOR ALL TO SEE"
IMO the answer is yes we all are..............but most just dont want to admit it...........it may not fit in with the character we would like to portray......... its imodest of us .........to admit it lays us open to the critique that we seek gratification when it may be due more to others.
Denial is a wonderful thing........its one of those human traits that you bet the house on.
No truer words have been typed in this thread. If you wanted a pat on the back in those days...TUFF, go see your mommy!! Of course, the "Mickey D's" generation wasn't old enough to play online games in those days.....more's the pity. :frown:
Tilt, what Dan posted about had nothing to do with perceived modesty. It is simply that some folks have been around long enough to not need the Ch1 ego massage when they land. :)
Did bustr miss a medication session? That child is in serious need of an attitude adjustment. :rofl
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It is simply that some folks have been around long enough to not need the Ch1 ego massage when they land. :)
What about the rest of the community?
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What about the rest of the community?
...and why should the rest of the community care whether or not my kill messages are broadcast on Ch1? Personally, I would like to see some of the old fashioned AW type "counting coup". It was funny to see HT count his off in binary! :D
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...and why should the rest of the community care whether or not my kill messages are broadcast on Ch1? Personally, I would like to see some of the old fashioned AW type "counting coup". It was funny to see HT count his off in binary! :D
You can ditch next to the runway. You already have the option of not displaying any kill message.
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I think the best way to fix the timidity problem is to quite simply remove the timidity at the source. That is, make the players good enough that they don't feel the need to fly timidly (and that's really not hard at all). The way to do this is to more efficiently funnel the players towards the training resources. Trainers, improvised training by players, sparring in the DA, etc etc. If somehow the AI could be used to give players an endless practice buddy that'd mold its skill level to the player, and set it up so players could "Warp" to any lesson they wanted (formation flying, defensive barrel rolls, long distance gunnery, anti-bomber fighter ACM, etc), it'd be a lot more efficient.
That's not to say that this idea's (changing the kill messages) inherently bad, either. I personally would have it so you only found out who you killed after the flight. Unconfirmed messages before then. I think all things considered the victories message on landing are best kept. That's an incentive to succeed, to compete. If some players get into all sort of dweeby contortions to land kill streaks by flying without actually fighting and earning them, that's another thing. That abuse doesn't warrant forbidding proper use of the kill messages.
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You can ditch next to the runway. You already have the option of not displaying any kill message.
I prefer to turn all off so I can't see them. Doesn't affect what others see unless they turn theirs off too.
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I prefer to turn all off so I can't see them. Doesn't affect what others see unless they turn theirs off too.
Seems reasonable.
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Try as I might, I cannot see why the .squelch 6 option that has already been in the game as long as I can remember wouldn't suffice.
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Try as I might, I cannot see why the .squelch 6 option that has already been in the game as long as I can remember wouldn't suffice.
Squelching channels which contain landing messages would work wonderfully well if the aim was to avoid seeing landing messages.
Thats the not the aim, though.
The aim is actually to improve gameplay.
It is believed that if landing messages were removed, or resembled the AW system, that the incentive to survive and, therefore by default, avoid engagements of equal or lesser footing, would be diminished.
In turn, it is then believed that gameplay would improve by a correspondingly favorable level.
If landing messages were disabled. :)
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That wasn't the original question though, which was about turning them off for yourself. Very easy, don't land, problem solved.
But about all that, gameplay behavior/problems emerge when a high level of anonymity develops because the level of familiarity between players drop when the population density gets too large. So the answer is to make the game more anonymous by removing a game mechanic that introduces everyone to who is on, what they are flying, and how sucessful they are? I disagree.
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Correct... I might clarify my statement. I'd like it where when I turn mine off from posting I would not see other's landing posts too. To anyone with theirs on they would still see everything except mine.
As for flying different, I already die alot. It's more fun surviving a drubbing by three or four cons than it is surviving flying from one base to another.
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If you uber ace tards are so jaded that you have no concern for the future of this game and the psychology of new players, then YES lets turn off all and any reward systems from this point on.
The kill landed message is not for YOU, nor are the PERKS for you.
They are for the future of this game you pompus DORKS.
If how this game operated was left up to YOU jaded uber dorks who pontificate on this board in all of their self rightchous splendor, HTC would go broke because the lot of you would DRIVE away new members with your jaded effected ego fantasies of HOW THIS GAME SHOULD BE PLAYED.
You UBER DORKS have been given the DA to live out your ELITIST fantasies. MOOT should be your EMPEROR and crowned DORK. If you cannot make the DA into your fantasy of UBERISM in AH, leave the future of this game alone. You obviously cannot make the MA into your UBER DORK Fantasy image either. You TARDS realy have no clue in hades how good you have it with this game. YOUR UBER ELITIST whining will destroy it if HTC ever lets his guard down.
When did you DORKS forget what it takes to keep a game community viable and replenished? Now all you talk about is scheams to eat the games young and kill Aces High because you are Jaded. So, since it sounds like you guys are increadably unhappy playing Aces High, is this one of the many threads in the last few years that thinly covers up you attempting to sucker newbies into quiting the game based on your DOOM and GLOOM WHINING?
Oh noes, a hypothetical discussion about kill messages! It's a good thing people like Bustr are on the forums to stop the Uber Dorks from scheming in the shadows of 'Doom and Gloom' threads. Bustr you are a patriot. HTC needs to reward you with a free subscription and an aces high medal of honor for fighting the Uber Dorks with your undeniable wisdom. You should write up an Uber Dork Watch List so HTC can monitor these players carefully to make sure they aren't compromising the future of the game with their scheming to eat the game's young. Keep up the good work Bustr. :rolleyes:
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You can ditch next to the runway. You already have the option of not displaying any kill message.
SRI Steve...
I couldn't bring myself to do that when AW cost $6 per hour...still can't do it now. It has nothing to do with score. I can think of some analogies with some "coitus interuptus" stories that might explain it.....but, I might get Skuzzy all riled up. :devil
BTW, I have a hard time understanding why anyone would have a problem with what Dan was asking. He never suggested that everyone be forced to turn them off. Oh well....go figure..... :)
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That wasn't the original question though, which was about turning them off for yourself. Very easy, don't land, problem solved.
I knew I was on to something there. (who's usually seen belly sliding side-ways off the end of the runway with parts becoming projectiles,.. while finishing a drink) Aluminum is very recyclable anyway. <shrug>
Here we are in our own corner writing a new sequel to the twilight zone and you walk in here, throw everything into perspective, and ruin it all.
But about all that, gameplay behavior/problems emerge when a high level of anonymity develops because the level of familiarity between players drop when the population density gets too large. So the answer is to make the game more anonymous by removing a game mechanic that introduces everyone to who is on, what they are flying, and how sucessful they are? I disagree.
Agree to disagree. But we are talking about those who it shouldn't effect (<nose in air> "I'm a ""VET""), but it does, then stripping the candy from their hands for evil entertainment to expose their true colors for all to see, and point and giggle at too. "I don't care about points..." roflmao (like foxy chicks giggling at a small,.. NM...) I notice a lot of peeps get complimentary tickets to ride the 262.
Personally, when I think I am landing 2 kills and will get my lights,.. then find out I only landed one kill (which means I actually stayed ON the runway) and no lights,....I usually stand up, grab my stick, flop it on the ground like a wet rag doll, and stomp it to death... properly. It usually solves a lot. Besides, Dose hasn't been around.
We can think of the messages this way; It' s like a bell ringing every time an angel gets it's wings. Of course it's more like a vampire (no pun intended) since it has to kill things to get it's wings, but that's besides the point. If there is a point.
Personally I think the CIA invented slight sims to attract hordes of people with obsessive compulsive personality disorders to one area. And then over-populate it to a point where if you weren't loony when you came here, you will be when you leave. That was the last signal received before I dented my tin foil hat.
Over,.. err umm,.. 10-4,.. roger.
Animl
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That wasn't the original question though, which was about turning them off for yourself. Very easy, don't land, problem solved.
After 17 pages, I think the original question has been forgotten. Actually, in this case, I think it was forgotten on the first page.
But about all that, gameplay behavior/problems emerge when a high level of anonymity develops because the level of familiarity between players drop when the population density gets too large. So the answer is to make the game more anonymous by removing a game mechanic that introduces everyone to who is on, what they are flying, and how sucessful they are? I disagree.
I did not think about it from that perspective. Its a good point and surely contributes to the current state of things, as it were.
That said, you'll note that I also suggested an AW-type system which, I believe, would suit both of our concerns.
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:huh You get kill messages? :huh
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:huh You get kill messages? :huh
Only those of others.........
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:rock Kill macros!!!! :rock
Okay, maybe not. But they were fun. :devil
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:rock Kill macros!!!! :rock
Okay, maybe not. But they were fun. :devil
Oh, how I miss them.
Entertainment gold. Macro creation was an art in and of itself. Just think of the possibilities for today's MA environment.
"Your marathon is over. <KILL!> AoM"
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Oh, how I miss them.
Entertainment gold. Macro creation was an art in and of itself. Just think of the possibilities for today's MA environment.
"Your marathon is over. <KILL!> AoM"
:D
I still type out a "macro" now and then: "HO DENIED! "Pilot dweeb name here" is in the tower."
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I still type out a "macro" now and then: "HO DENIED! "Pilot dweeb name here" is in the tower."
Theoretically speaking, we can still write macros with a third party program, cant we?
Should be as simple as instructing something like "Shift-/, (text), ENTER"
Shall we bring sexy back?