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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Presider on January 06, 2001, 12:15:00 PM
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Did I hear someone say they wanted a PBY? I'd love one. I cant fight or bomb and I can barely land, but with the PBY I could do Recon A.K.A. Take pictures of enemy locations. I know I'd be shot to hell in that swlow thing, But I love its design! it's time for a flying boat in AH. You could just about land a PBY upside down in water.
This is a great game, just something that would make it even better, a PBY Catelina!
I hope an administrator sees this. Thanks for your time
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I don't understand. I have seen many posts looking to have the PBY added to AH. It was a great plane, but what purpose could it serve in AH? If I am going to do recon, I am taking a fighter or B26. THere are no need for real recon, as taking pictures is useless in this sim. The only thing you will accomplish in PBY is get your bellybutton shot off.
Maybe if HTC puts some subs to hunt, or maybe some shipping convoys. THen you got a use for it.
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"Wing up, Get kills, Be happy"
Midnight
13th TAS
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Maybe if HTC puts some subs to hunt, or maybe some shipping convoys. THen you got a use for it.
Sub hunting would be nice but who has time to hunt them? Even in our small map it would be next to impossible to find one unless the sea would be infested with them. Convoys or lone merhant ships would be far more interesting as yiou could in fact find them (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
As for PBY, not much use for it in AH I'm afraid.
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You'd have to develop a useful role for recon type planes, such as allowing them to update everyone's (on a country) clipboard maps with useful info. i.e. they mark an enemy CV, and as long as they maintain contact with the CV, everyone on their country can see where it is, its heading, etc... on their clipboard map.
You could limit the strat info that is currently available to everyone in the clipboard map, such as another country's radar percentage, to only being available if a recon type plane was in contact with the appropriate enemy strategical structure.
Gordo
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How about spotting for the fleet? A PBY observer could put a crosshair on a target and "set" the range/bearing for a cruiser's guns. Much more accurate than clicking on the map.
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If we want a Seaplane, lets get the H8K2 "Emily". It can do all of the things the PBY can, plus its a bomber, plus its well defended, plus the H8K3 was a troop transport, plus its even tougher than the PBY and finally, ITS NOT AMERICAN!!!!!
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Sisu
-Karnak
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I like that, Popeye.
Gordo
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If it lands on the water and takes off from it i don't care what it is I will be happy to fly it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Brady
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[This message has been edited by brady (edited 01-08-2001).]
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I notice that the Battle Ship already has a seaplane crane on the stern. This is for hoisting a float plane onboard. Why not have AH develop a Kingfisher that could pick up downed pilots and also spot for the Battleship guns. Would not be a very hard airplane to develop and would be a fun addition to AH. Kingfisher also carried small bombs so could hunt subs if there ever were any.
Agree that PBY is a great plane, but just no place for it in AH at the moment with the vehicles that we have. Would be a flying coffin.
majors
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astamps,
Would be nice if we had a battleship. That is a heavy cruiser. Its about a 1/4th the size of a battleship and has guns that are 1/2 the diameter.
Just nitpicking though, we all know what you meant.
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Sisu
-Karnak
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Be nice if we had some kind of spotter system plane/land spotter like all the Auzzies in the bush it could be some kind of dropped in spotter from a 47 or auto that would be interesting to make it worth the time you could receive points from the damage you directed onto the target..... anyway we need some kind of input on what are bombardments are doing (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by popeye:
How about spotting for the fleet? A PBY observer could put a crosshair on a target and "set" the range/bearing for a cruiser's guns. Much more accurate than clicking on the map.
Now that is a re-visit of a post pior to the 1.05 release. This would be an excellent ability.
If the PBY pilot could select an 8" gun prior to takeoff and then use a bombsight to aim the gun. Kind of like dropping bombs, but instead of a bomb dropping, when the PBY pilot pulled the trigger, the selected 8" gun from the cruiser would fire to that spot. What do you think of that?
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"Wing up, Get kills, Be happy"
Midnight
13th TAS
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Spotter planes sounds like a neat idea. However, why would you fly an unarmed spotter plane from a cruiser when you could fly a fighter from the carrier? The purpose of those light floatplanes was to give the line ships an organic aviation capability when they were away from the carrier fleet.
I don't think the spotter plane should have some sort of magic crosshair or laser designator. You should have to bracket the target visually, just like real spotter planes did.
Two things would help with visual adjustment. First, a white phosporous marking round. Second, the ability to slave all the guns on the cruiser to fire off one firing solution or aiming point.
Seaplanes are also a great idea. The PBY should be enabled for troop-carrying duty, and be able to spawn from the fleet. This would provide a useful alternative to landing craft (when we ever get those).
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They PBY might be useful for Anti-CV duties. It could take off from ports If I remember correctly it could carry two 500IB bombs or 2 1,000IB torp.
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You could have searched for a more recent thread or created a new one instead of resurrecting a dead thread from 9 years ago.
ack-ack
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Man, Presider made one post nearly 10 years ago. You guys must have really scared him off.
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I brought this up a few months ago. Althought I'd love to see the Catalina in the game, there is really no useful purpose for it in the game right now. Maybe if and when we get subs they would have better chance to be introduced.
I was wanting them for troop and supply duties but that would not be historically correct. I kind of chose to overlook that part in my delightful dream :lol My thought was wanting an alternative to transporting troops and supplies to and from the CV groups besides the LVT. After fishing the waters on the boards here, I was informed that they were never carrier based. There lies the main problem IMO.
As much as I'd love to see the plane in the game, I do think it is more important to say within the confines of actual history. Besides, there are a lot of other planes more deserving to be introduced to the game before the PBY anyway. :salute
Just my .02 cents
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Karnak, I know what you mean by the "Not american" jazz, but there were like 4K Catalina's to the 160+"Emily's". Just saying...
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Karnak, I know what you mean by the "Not american" jazz, but there were like 4K Catalina's to the 160+"Emily's". Just saying...
My posts, 9 years old, were about an ongoing issue and that is that the planesets are extremely lopsided in favor of the US as well as the fact that the H8K would be vastly more usable in the MA. I recognize, now far more than then, that it is very hard to get data for Japanese and Russian aircraft, particularly as compared to US aircraft. That said, the current sets are not indicative of the variety of aircraft employed by the Russians and, even more so, the Japanese. The Japanese employed almost as great a variety of aircraft as the US did.
It is very easy to to just say that the US built more, and we did without question, but it does not make for as interesting an environment or scenarios when the available units only cover the Allied side of things.
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Because the personalities in the discussion are the same as they were 9 years ago? :huh
I think past threads apply of there is something definitive from HTC. Otherwise they are nice banter between personalities.
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It is very easy to to just say that the US built more
11000+ Wellingtons
10000+ Pe-2s
7000+ He111s
5000+ Beaufighters
5000+ Ki-43s
Yes, it is easier to say that "such and such" built more! ;)
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PBY would be a nice addition, at least that way when I get shot down and bail I have a chance of rescue by SAR. :x Actually they could set them up like the Black Cats so they could be used against tin cans and PTs or LVTs...
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Yes, it is easier to say that "such and such" built more! ;)
The 18,000 B-24s alone is probably more industrial effort than all that list combined.
I am by no means saying that other nations didn't produce very significant aircraft totals, just that the oft used "There were more of x American aircraft than y Japanese aircraft, so obviously the American one should be added first!" argument is correct in regards to production totals, but it ignores the bigger picture in order to use simple production numbers as a justification to have the planeset extremely lopsided in favor of American units.
I remember a guy posting, probably back around the time this thread was posted, that the rule should be that no aircraft with less than 3,000 built should be added. I tore into him based on his arguing for something that would produce extremely biased results. I think he did it in innocence, not realizing that such a rule would only allow two or three Japanese aircraft (A6M5, Ki-43-II, Ki-84-Ia) in the game at all. People put too much stock in production totals. Yes, it is relevant at a point, but by the time you're looking at a couple hundred airframes you have an aircraft that very well could have played a significant role in WWII. The H8K in this thread had less than 200 built of all types, but it served constantly through the whole war as compared to the P-63 which was built in the thousands and might have fought in limited numbers for a few weeks. Which is more significant? For those who simply judge based on production numbers, the P-63 would be seen as vastly more significant, but from any historical perspective the H8K was the much more significant aircraft.
Basically, production totals are just one factor that needs to be considered. Significance during WWII and difficulty in adding it due to graphics work (B-29 and H8K both get hit hard by this one) or difficulty in getting performance data (Japanese and Russian units have a problem with this one) all play a role as well.
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If we want a Seaplane, lets get the H8K2 "Emily". It can do all of the things the PBY can, plus its a bomber, plus its well defended, plus the H8K3 was a troop transport, plus its even tougher than the PBY and finally, ITS NOT AMERICAN!!!!!
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Sisu
-Karnak
actually the PBY was used for attacking subs, and was very successful at killing merchant ships. It could also carried out attacks on Japanese bases. It could carry bombs and depth charges. Plus it was amphibious and had a very VERY long range. It wouldn't suprise me to see some skimming the waves NOE looking for the enemy CV, before it got in range to shell a base or hunting the proposed merchant convoys.
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It was slooooooooow.
:bolt:slowly
wrongway
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WING47,
Check the date of the post you quoted.
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WING47,
Check the date of the post you quoted.
If you want the data, go to PBY.com
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Read slower, Karnak is trying to point out that you are arguing a post he made nearly a decade ago.
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PBY's only advantage was range, (could stay aloft for 16 hours) which is negated in this game. (Re-upping from water, I suspect, is a coading nightmare)
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I would rather see the short Sutherland, although I would only be available from ports, as far as I know It only had gear to beach it with, but not actually land.
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They PBY might be useful for Anti-CV duties. It could take off from ports If I remember correctly it could carry two 500IB bombs or 2 1,000IB torp.
Actually the "Black Cats" operated with 2 500lbs under each wing and there were field modifications called "Lahodney's guns" where 4 .50 cal were fixed mounted to the keel for straffing. :salute