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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: oakranger on March 18, 2009, 02:25:49 AM
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If you going to make a attempt on HO on somebody and lost, don't cry and whine about it. You dam well know what may happen. If you have a problem about it, cry to AH about and see how far you will go. Suck it up and move on.
My 2 cents
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If you going to make a attempt on HO on somebody
If you're going to make an accusation in a post....make sure it's factual. I saw you turn as hard as you could to try and HO me this evening.....caused a collision because I got caught watching how stupid the move was and didn't dodge the attempt....asked you on 200 if you meant to ram or just to HO and you started rambling something about "no, I didn't try to HO"...then a few minutes later stated "You lost a HO, get over it"...seems to me you are either confused...or an outright liar. :aok
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If a hoer hos in the woods and nobody is there to see it does it still whine
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If you going to make a attempt on HO on somebody and lost, don't cry and whine about it. You dam well know what may happen. If you have a problem about it, cry to AH about and see how far you will go. Suck it up and move on.
My 2 cents
400 perk penalty, for posting the most common repeat whine. It could have been 500 but you HOed the HOer.
just sayin
Animl
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If a hoer hos in the woods and nobody is there to see it does it still whine
LOLZ :rofl
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If you are dead and whine can anybody hear you? It's a game and if the Ho was not allowed it would be modeled out of the GAME. I got complaints when I shot an ack-dragger when he tried to land. The Dead protest the loudest.
When I die I will die with dignity and salute from my Chute. :salute
Hitech says: "It's a Game not a Simulation"
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F.
This whine doesn't even rank in the top 10,000.
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I whine only when i have cheese, and i ho only when i be pimpin'! :rock :salute
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But...but...but...Head Ons are RIGHTEOUS! :rock
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If you are dead and whine can anybody hear you? It's a game and if the Ho was not allowed it would be modeled out of the GAME. I got complaints when I shot an ack-dragger when he tried to land. The Dead protest the loudest.
When I die I will die with dignity and salute from my Chute. :salute
Hitech says: "It's a Game not a Simulation"
So your saying you die with dignity but fly without. OK as long as your admitting it. I find no problems with folks if they are just truthful. I know If I want a good fight and happen to see you I can just pass you up and keep looking. Thanks!
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I find no problems with folks if they are just truthful.
I agree. Nowadays, if a fella comes in 5th guy in on a 5 vs 1 and HO's the crap out of you, and you type "lame" on 200....you are a whiner.....it's the YGBSTwit mentality of the day. :aok
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If you're going to make an accusation in a post....make sure it's factual. I saw you turn as hard as you could to try and HO me this evening.....caused a collision because I got caught watching how stupid the move was and didn't dodge the attempt....asked you on 200 if you meant to ram or just to HO and you started rambling something about "no, I didn't try to HO"...then a few minutes later stated "You lost a HO, get over it"...seems to me you are either confused...or an outright liar. :aok
No, i wasn't trying to HO you nor ramming. I was being chase by a F4U and you dive right in and fail to get me as i dodge you BnZ. Among the chaos, i was trying to see where you where at at the same time how close that other F4U was on my six. A quick look, i saw you on my 8 o'clock, 800 yards and quickly respond a tight left turn to prevent you from getting on my six. I didnt take the time as to see if you where coming right at me or not. I was in a 190, not a uber plane where i can turn on a dime. So, there was no way could i have try a HO.
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So your saying you die with dignity but fly without. OK as long as your admitting it. I find no problems with folks if they are just truthful. I know If I want a good fight and happen to see you I can just pass you up and keep looking. Thanks!
I guess we should ban picking those on the runway and let the get some Alt before engaging. That would be fairer than the zoom and pick. (I'm sure you've never done that) I will take a head on shot if available but avoid the Collision. Those that try to avoid are usally on the losing end of the Ho. Go to the DA for a nice fair fight with those of like mind and enjoy. I won't stop you but will not play this game by rules set by you.
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No, i wasn't trying to HO you nor ramming. I was being chase by a F4U and you dive right in and fail to get me as i dodge you BnZ. Among the chaos, i was trying to see where you where at at the same time how close that other F4U was on my six. A quick look, i saw you on my 8 o'clock, 800 yards and quickly respond a tight left turn to prevent you from getting on my six. I didnt take the time as to see if you where coming right at me or not. I was in a 190, not a uber plane where i can turn on a dime. So, there was no way could i have try a HO.
fair enough, thanks for the honesty. <S>
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Those that try to avoid are usally on the losing end of the Ho.
Wrong.
and nobody was setting rules...but this is a dogfighting game,and many do like to test their fighting skills, so it is not likely someone wanting to see what you have, skill wise, is going to like you zooming through a merge guns blazing like you don't have a clue. :aok
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I guess we should ban picking those on the runway and let the get some Alt before engaging. That would be fairer than the zoom and pick. (I'm sure you've never done that) I will take a head on shot if available but avoid the Collision. Those that try to avoid are usally on the losing end of the Ho. Go to the DA for a nice fair fight with those of like mind and enjoy. I won't stop you but will not play this game by rules set by you.
You misread or misunderstood my post evidently. I said GOOD fight. If I want a GOOD fight and see you I will keep looking as you yourself admitted you have to vulch and ho. That is a sign of someone giving up on maneuvering. Pretty much anyone, any age, can point their nose at another plane coming head on and pull the trigger.
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To some it is a dogfighing game and shuffler flies fighters exclusively. To others it's a War game and enjoy all the aspects of it. You can find good dogfights if you want to and can avoid the ho planes with your dogfightiing skills. Complaining about something that won't change is futile. I never heard of a Bomber Pilot in WWII yell at the luftwaffe "Hey you can't Ho me!" as a 190 rammed them.
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Maybe we should put headlights in the wishlist. We can flash them at each other to telegraph our intent of HOing or not.
After that, we can have horns installed (loud ones of course) so we can honk them when we get behind the tard who was not paying attention when he got shot down. Then they cant complain about being picked, either. Just a few short blasts on the horn to say "Hi", then we will be allowed to shoot, but not before we make the con aware of our presence. :aok
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Those that try to avoid are usually on the losing end of the Ho.
You could not be more wrong. Let's set up a 1vs1 fight with a hot merge. You can try for the head-on shot and I will avoid. I predict that I will win the merge every time.
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You could not be more wrong. Let's set up a 1vs1 fight with a hot merge. You can try for the head-on shot and I will avoid. I predict that I will win the merge every time.
What I meant was when you see someone is on a collision course and you attempt to avoid you will usally see "X has collided with you" and you will recieve the damage not the one who collided.
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Going head on is one thing what gets me are the guys that dont even fire a shot! Too bad that cant be penalized. I fly bombers mostly and its amazing how many guys get oiled then just ram into the back of the plane. Shame on them. 1DOM1
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Maybe we should put headlights in the wishlist. We can flash them at each other to telegraph our intent of HOing or not.
After that, we can have horns installed (loud ones of course) so we can honk them when we get behind the tard who was not paying attention when he got shot down. Then they cant complain about being picked, either. Just a few short blasts on the horn to say "Hi", then we will be allowed to shoot, but not before we make the con aware of our presence. :aok
A good friend of mine in AW use to do something like that. He had a macro.... when macros were :cool: ... that went "Check Six, It's TRIX !!" :rofl
To some it is a dogfighing game and shuffler flies fighters exclusively. To others it's a War game and enjoy all the aspects of it. You can find good dogfights if you want to and can avoid the ho planes with your dogfightiing skills. Complaining about something that won't change is futile. I never heard of a Bomber Pilot in WWII yell at the luftwaffe "Hey you can't Ho me!" as a 190 rammed them.
Slate, its lame attitudes like this that are killing the game play in the main arenas. There is nothing wrong with base capture, GVing, porking, fighting, or any of the other many ways to play the game. Its those that have to smudge the rules to get by that are spoiling it. The reason people HO is because they don't know how to fight, plain and simple. The reason people spawn camp is because they can't find any GVs in the woods, the reason people vulch is they don't know how to fight and all they have to do is not bounce their plane off the ground.
If people played the game with in the rules "INTENT" the game would be more challenging, and much more fun. People would be so occupied with playing the game nobody would looking for new planes, new GVs, more eye candy. The game use to be that intense, and that much fun. Today people get bored with HOing, vulching, and spawn camping so much they are looking for more to do, or play with, so we get the "complaints".
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You could not be more wrong. Let's set up a 1vs1 fight with a hot merge. You can try for the head-on shot and I will avoid. I predict that I will win the merge every time.
I have a problem where after multiple turns, I wind up facing the con at 1k or closer with both of us low and slow. I always try to avoid the HO and always get hit.
What can you do in this situation?
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I have a problem where after multiple turns, I wind up facing the con at 1k or closer with both of us low and slow. I always try to avoid the HO and always get hit.
What can you do in this situation?
Taters :aok
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I can try to give the benefit of the doubt, but there is a linguistic constraint that prevents
Those that try to avoid are usally on the losing end of the Ho.
from meaning
when you see someone is on a collision course and you attempt to avoid you will usally see "X has collided with you" and you will recieve the damage not the one who collided.
You may as well have said "By 'hot' I meant 'cold.'"
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Maybe we should put headlights in the wishlist. We can flash them at each other to telegraph our intent of HOing or not.
After that, we can have horns installed (loud ones of course) so we can honk them when we get behind the tard who was not paying attention when he got shot down. Then they cant complain about being picked, either. Just a few short blasts on the horn to say "Hi", then we will be allowed to shoot, but not before we make the con aware of our presence. :aok
:rofl :rofl The lights might look like the sun ahhhhhhh I'm blind
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Aces high started as truely a dogfighting Game hence the name. But the days of engaging one or two enemies in a true dogfight where you also knew all the names is gone. If HTC loses some of the old players thier bank account still swells with the new players and the last thing they will do is to limit the new players chance at the taste of a kill. Like it or not we must play the hand we are dealt. It's not the game play it's the people you don't like.
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Aces high started as truely a dogfighting Game hence the name. But the days of engaging one or two enemies in a true dogfight where you also knew all the names is gone. If HTC loses some of the old players thier bank account still swells with the new players and the last thing they will do is to limit the new players chance at the taste of a kill. Like it or not we must play the hand we are dealt. It's not the game play it's the people you don't like.
No it's the game play. Some have no dignity. Like it or not.
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Maybe we should put headlights in the wishlist. We can flash them at each other to telegraph our intent of HOing or not.
After that, we can have horns installed (loud ones of course) so we can honk them when we get behind the tard who was not paying attention when he got shot down. Then they cant complain about being picked, either. Just a few short blasts on the horn to say "Hi", then we will be allowed to shoot, but not before we make the con aware of our presence. :aok
Many times, I will shoot beside the windshield of a plane I'm sneaking up on, just to get a little fight out of them! :aok
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I have a problem where after multiple turns, I wind up facing the con at 1k or closer with both of us low and slow. I always try to avoid the HO and always get hit.
What can you do in this situation?
When you see this coming, and you should see it coming just a few moments ahead of time, tehn manuver to dodge and gain an advantage....it is a very winnable situation, because you know where the fella is going to be. :aok
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Many times, I will shoot beside the windshield of a plane I'm sneaking up on, just to get a little fight out of them! :aok
Last night I came up n flew about 10y behind n next to a p47n. I wrote p47n check it!! on 200 n sprayed some mgs. He promptly jerked his stick and proceeded colliding into me... I guess it's not a good idea to fly formation with the enemy.
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If you going to make a attempt on HO on somebody and lost, don't cry and whine about it. You dam well know what may happen. If you have a problem about it, cry to AH about and see how far you will go. Suck it up and move on.
My 2 cents
being new to this game I thought it was a wwII game and therfore I choose to fight like they did in WWII, with respect and class (which i was told by a friend meant no hoing and wait until they get alt from their base)
Am I wrong or just that naieve? Iam trying to learn how to dogfight the way me dad did and maybee I'm wrong maybee I should leave or start cheat ing the way they do
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Please excuse my ignorance! I am a bomber pilot and gv driver most of the time and, just here lately, I have been trying a little fighter action. What exactly is a ho? My understanding is when 2 planes end up shooting at each other in a head-on coarse, the one that got killed was the one that got hoed while the killer is the hoer. I must have something wrong in this translation because, to me, if hoeing is bad then both pilots are just as guilty in which case there shouldn't be any whining because you win some and lose some. :salute Thanks in advance for helping me understand this issue better.
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When you see this coming, and you should see it coming just a few moments ahead of time, tehn manuver to dodge and gain an advantage....it is a very winnable situation, because you know where the fella is going to be. :aok
Mark, that makes perfect sense, but what if you're flying a Dora, the "TnB dream machine"? I usually go vertical to save my E, but by the time I'm over the top, the other guy has usually managed to reverse and we're into merge #2. This happens enough times and I can find myself Co-alt and Co-E. Not exactly where I want to be in a friggin 190.
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Please excuse my ignorance! I am a bomber pilot and gv driver most of the time and, just here lately, I have been trying a little fighter action. What exactly is a ho? My understanding is when 2 planes end up shooting at each other in a head-on coarse, the one that got killed was the one that got hoed while the killer is the hoer. I must have something wrong in this translation because, to me, if hoeing is bad then both pilots are just as guilty in which case there shouldn't be any whining because you win some and lose some. :salute Thanks in advance for helping me understand this issue better.
sometimes, you can see the fella lining up a HO from enough distance where he should have been lining up angles to kill the opponent without subjecting himself to teh guns of said opponent(the HO). This only takes one to HO...most of the time opponents will meet heading opposite directions(to each others base)..so being pointed at someone is inevitable....One, may pass right by setting up angles to kill the other while dodging the HO attempt(he might call the HOer a HOtwit even though he himself was in front of the opponent, yet he was not going for the HO, nor did he fire, avoiding the HO tag right off the bat). So, it only takes one to HO, and that one shall be called a HOtwit. :devil
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being new to this game I thought it was a wwII game and therfore I choose to fight like they did in WWII, with respect and class (which i was told by a friend meant no hoing and wait until they get alt from their base)
Am I wrong or just that naieve? Iam trying to learn how to dogfight the way me dad did and maybee I'm wrong maybee I should leave or start cheat ing the way they do
Well, what WWII pilots did was a hell lot diffrent compare to this game. In real life air combact theres no room for mistakes. you only have on e life. This game u have unlimited life. there are things your dad could do but in this game you cant. And that is the same way around. LW pilots during WWII attempt HO our bombers and really a lot of HO between fightes.
Head on (HO), vulching, alt picking and ramming is seeing as skills effort for one to get kills. HOing is something that will happen as a lot. if you are in a moss, 110, 190 or some planes that has heavy amount of 20mm, 30mm, and 37mm MG, you will HO any body.
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Mark, that makes perfect sense, but what if you're flying a Dora, the "TnB dream machine"? I usually go vertical to save my E, but by the time I'm over the top, the other guy has usually managed to reverse and we're into merge #2. This happens enough times and I can find myself Co-alt and Co-E. Not exactly where I want to be in a friggin 190.
In a dora, I always nose down under his guns and do a snap rudder slip 1/2 jellyroll(it's very hard for opponent to land guns, and it gives you an angle to make up for bad the turning radius of dora). :aok
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This only takes one to HO...
Hold on, Are you saying that it takes one person to HO?
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In a dora, I always nose down under his guns and do a snap rudder slip 1/2 jellyroll(it's very hard for opponent to land guns, and it gives you an angle to make up for bad the turning radius of dora). :aok
Thx, I'll go get killed 15-20 times trying to pull that off. :D
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Hold on, Are you saying that it takes one person to HO?
yes
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Hold on, Are you saying that it takes one person to HO?
To quote Steve "It takes one to HO, and two to merge". But who gives a squat what he thinks? :lol
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yes
i disagree. thats like saying tghat it takes one to make a baby.
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To quote Steve "It takes one to HO, and two to merge". But who gives a squat what he thinks? :lol
:lol :aok
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i disagree.
you are wrong.
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you are wrong.
k, explained.
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k, explained.
Sure. :)
It takes two to merge, one to HO. expanded: It takes to to execute a merge, but only one pilot has to shoot in order to make it a HO. All HO's are merges, not all merges are HO's.
It takes two to make a baby, one to turn it into an abortion. :salute
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:lol :aok
Lurker :noid
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Ok, but there are times that two will HO with out merging.
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Ok, but there are times that two will HO with out merging.
Uhhh.. hmmm edumacate me.
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Ok, but there are times that two will HO with out merging.
You mean like a "One Night HO?" where they both just fly straight afterwards and go their separate ways?
Edit: OK, sorry for that one.
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You mean like a "One Night HO?" where they both just fly straight afterwards and go their separate ways?
Edit: OK, sorry for that one.
:rofl
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What I meant was when you see someone is on a collision course and you attempt to avoid you will usally see "X has collided with you" and you will recieve the damage not the one who collided.
If you receive damage as you have described above, and don't see ... "You collided with XXX" ... then you took damage from gun fire and not by collision.
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A week or two ago (in MWA) I dropped on a P-40E climbing out. I had way to much alt and E to I bled it off and had fun flying in formation with him for 45 seconds or so....until the other 4-5 cons coming out of the field ganged me :O. Was fun though while it lasted and a nice change of pace...
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A week or two ago (in MWA) I dropped on a P-40E climbing out. I had way to much alt and E to I bled it off and had fun flying in formation with him for 45 seconds or so....until the other 4-5 cons coming out of the field ganged me :O. Was fun though while it lasted and a nice change of pace...
Ok, obvious question. During your "bonding" with the P-40, did he know you were there?
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SNIP if you are in a moss, 110, 190 or some planes that has heavy amount of 20mm, 30mm, and 37mm MG, you will HO any body. SNIP
No... not everyone would. Many would rather have a good fight.
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Ok, obvious question. During your "bonding" with the P-40, did he know you were there?
Sure, I'd invited him up to play and didnt get a response since he thought I was in different plane/different place. He saw me coming down but I scrubbed enough E to just tuck in off his wing and more or less stay there...
We (71 SQD) used to do that a fair amount. A few times I've hung on a guy for 2-3 minutes before rolling out and away.
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To quote Steve "It takes one to HO, and two to merge". But who gives a squat what he thinks? :lol
I actually think that is a great saying, simple yet so true.
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We (71 SQD) used to do that a fair amount. A few times I've hung on a guy for 2-3 minutes before rolling out and away.
Guess after a couple minutes he can't exactly claim he didn't see you. Kinda like the "don't look at the other guy in the elevator" thing.
I actually think that is a great saying, simple yet so true.
Same here, regardless of the source. :D
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It takes two to merge, one to HO....
It takes two to make a baby, one to turn it into an abortion. :salute
nice one.
It's really hard to imagine 2 HOers not merging....I mean wouldn't they have to? I guess unless you believe "merging" in this game is the act of colliding. Maybe when people go to the DA, they need to refine the words they say when the words "no HO on merge" are said. Really, it only takes 1 to HO, and that is the guy pulling the trigger. If both don't, then there is no HO. If both do, it's a HO....by both parties.
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for some reason I chose to look at this
and I lost 5 minutes of my life that I will never get back
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I have been known to HO...but times were tough and I needed the money.
<ducks and runs>
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I have been known to HO...but times were tough and I needed the money.
<ducks and runs>
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Second merge hos are worse then first merge hos, i think its easier for them to land hits since plans arent moving as fast usally, or when someone shoots you in the front quarter when you could have shot him but then he says on bbs he dont ho or pick..... :noid
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Second merge hos are worse then first merge hos, i think its easier for them to land hits since plans arent moving as fast usally, or when someone shoots you in the front quarter when you could have shot him but then he says on bbs he dont ho or pick..... :noid
If you merge against me and are lazy enough to give me a good front quarter shot on the merge ... I will rake you from stem to stern and not even think about it ... and I would not consider that a HO and definitely not a pick.
If you have exposed yourself for a front quarter shot ... you could not have shot me ... so you weren't really doing me any favors.
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If you merge against me and are lazy enough to give me a good front quarter shot on the merge ... I will rake you from stem to stern and not even think about it ... and I would not consider that a HO and definitely not a pick.
If you have exposed yourself for a front quarter shot ... you could not have shot me ... so you weren't really doing me any favors.
picture this you chasing 2 enemy planes who are of different countries(takes place in tank town) and a third enemy cons comes past them without firing but hits you from your 2 oclock , yes its stupid i could have just pull left and missed(i was hoping he wasnt gunna shoot me but the con who was trailing the guy i was 1v1 at first with) but when i saw the name of the person it made me angry :aok i have hate for hypocrits
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for some reason I chose to look at this
and I lost 5 minutes of my life that I will never get back
Don't forget the minute you wasted telling us how you felt.
** Sorry, make that 55 seconds, since you cleverly saved yourself 5 secs by skipping the annoying capitalization and punctuation. **
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I guess we should ban picking those on the runway and let the get some Alt before engaging.
Actually, yes, I try to do that as much as possible.
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If you merge against me and are lazy enough to give me a good front quarter shot on the merge ... I will rake you from stem to stern and not even think about it ... and I would not consider that a HO and definitely not a pick.
If you have exposed yourself for a front quarter shot ... you could not have shot me ... so you weren't really doing me any favors.
+1
To me this is the single biggest misconception in the game. 99% of the "HO's" people claim simply aren't. If the other can and does get his nose around 1st you have an obligation to avoid the shot. Now in a true 1 on 1 vs a known adversary I'll hold off on a lot of FQ shots if I know he will as well...but in the MA all bets are off if I dont know you. I posted this screen shot awhile back after a guy complained on 200 that I HO'd him...
(http://www.az-dsl.com/snaphook/canopyshot.jpg)
Not only did this guy not have a shot at the time I popped him, he had no ability at any point to ever get guns on me...
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I agree. Nowadays, if a fella comes in 5th guy in on a 5 vs 1 and HO's the crap out of you, and you type "lame" on 200....you are a whiner.....it's the YGBSTwit mentality of the day. :aok
skytwit complaining about chnl 200 :huh,-----> priceless :rofl :rofl
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skytwit complaining about chnl 200 :huh,-----> priceless :rofl :rofl
still getting a stiffone for me ankle? :rolleyes:
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still getting a stiffone for me ankle? :rolleyes:
:huh :huh I find it absolutely astonishing how little you matter in all things ;)
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:huh :huh I find it absolutely astonishing how little you matter in all things ;)
just enough for you to reply..... :rofl
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Muppet envy boy finally chimes in.
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picture this you chasing 2 enemy planes who are of different countries(takes place in tank town) and a third enemy cons comes past them without firing but hits you from your 2 oclock , yes its stupid i could have just pull left and missed(i was hoping he wasnt gunna shoot me but the con who was trailing the guy i was 1v1 at first with) but when i saw the name of the person it made me angry :aok i have hate for hypocrits
That's your own fault. If a guy comes in at your 2 OC angle and hits you, it is not a head on shot. The guy took a legitimate shot because you gave him a sweet angle for the kill. The person you should be mad at is yourself for putting yourself in that positition not the guy that took a good shot.
ack-ack
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #4
Gee Shreck, what gave you the idea I was talking about you?
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Gee Shreck, what gave you the idea I was talking about you?
Were you talking to shreck? :rofl Tis hard for the boy to get Muppets of the mind...I guess.
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Gee Shreck, what gave you the idea I was talking about you?
Gee steve, what gave you the idea I was talkin about you? :aok
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See Rule #4
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Gee steve, what gave you the idea I was talkin about you? :aok
You quoted me.... pretty evident, bro.
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picture this you chasing 2 enemy planes who are of different countries(takes place in tank town) and a third enemy cons comes past them without firing but hits you from your 2 oclock , yes its stupid i could have just pull left and missed(i was hoping he wasnt gunna shoot me but the con who was trailing the guy i was 1v1 at first with) but when i saw the name of the person it made me angry :aok i have hate for hypocrits
Well ... if it was me, then you would have no hate ... because had you done that to me ... I would have been pissed at myself for making a such a stupid assumption and you wouldn't have heard a peep from me.
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If you merge against me and are lazy enough to give me a good front quarter shot on the merge ... I will rake you from stem to stern and not even think about it ... and I would not consider that a HO and definitely not a pick.
Hi slapshot, when merging with another plane eventually one of you will have to turn away a bit to avoid the collison, which would give you a front quarter shot on the guy turning away slightly, would you take that shot?
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Stodd shut up and go sell your oxyclean..... Oh BTW please send 10 cases to the 80th. We ran out last week and the ol' 38s are looking a might dirty. I also have a question.... how is oxyclean on bullet holes?
Corkyjr wants to know if you can make a paste of it and make a clean connection for attaching a wing too.
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Hi slapshot, when merging with another plane eventually one of you will have to turn away a bit to avoid the collison, which would give you a front quarter shot on the guy turning away slightly, would you take that shot?
This is completely incorrect. anyone who is merging in such a way as to "force" a HO is doing stuff wrong. Now without doubt a situation can arise where you have a bit of a Mexican standoff however this is more a function of two guys dueling to "3-9 line" rules (which is fine). Now as per the situation above the guy "turning away" is invariably the guy who got around last or elected to pass on a clear FQ shot he had 1st. I've been whacked more then once (well more then 100+) were I've passed on a FQ shot...no ones fault but mine.
The reality is simple FQ geometry is every bit as valid as rear hemisphere shots in a fight between dissimilar plane types or fights that start with a difference in E state or positioning. The thought that you are somehow entitled to a free pass because you were close to getting your nose around is simply misguided. If we both "square out" at 800+ then we have a mexican standoff and I will not take that shot (in fact i'm already maneuvering to get out of plane and get an angular advantage in the hope you want to shoot. However in a situation like you describe 98% of the time its exactly like my picture above.
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That pic would make a nice FAIL poster.
Captioned..... "Trying To Turn With Snaphook "FAIL""
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This is completely incorrect. anyone who is merging in such a way as to "force" a HO is doing stuff wrong. Now without doubt a situation can arise where you have a bit of a Mexican standoff however this is more a function of two guys dueling to "3-9 line" rules (which is fine). Now as per the situation above the guy "turning away" is invariably the guy who got around last or elected to pass on a clear FQ shot he had 1st. I've been whacked more then once (well more then 100+) were I've passed on a FQ shot...no ones fault but mine.
The reality is simple FQ geometry is every bit as valid as rear hemisphere shots in a fight between dissimilar plane types or fights that start with a difference in E state or positioning. The thought that you are somehow entitled to a free pass because you were close to getting your nose around is simply misguided. If we both "square out" at 800+ then we have a mexican standoff and I will not take that shot (in fact i'm already maneuvering to get out of plane and get an angular advantage in the hope you want to shoot. However in a situation like you describe 98% of the time its exactly like my picture above.
:rofl You gotta be kidding right? I am completely incorrect? :rofl I asked a question, how can a question be right or wrong?
Stodd shut up and go sell your oxyclean..... Oh BTW please send 10 cases to the 80th. We ran out last week and the ol' 38s are looking a might dirty. I also have a question.... how is oxyclean on bullet holes?
Corkyjr wants to know if you can make a paste of it and make a clean connection for attaching a wing too.
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:rofl You gotta be kidding right? I am completely incorrect? :rofl I asked a question, how can a question be right or wrong?
when merging with another plane eventually one of you will have to turn away a bit to avoid the collison
That is a factually incorrect assumption. the goal of ACM is to acquire a shot window without exposing yourself to one. As such while it might be correct to stabilize in a "nose to nose" configuration an offset would be required unless the goal was in fact a "head on". If the pilot has established reasonable offsets initially then at no time should he be forced into a "nose to nose" merge in close proximity to his opponent. By managing lift vector, angle off and plane he can maneuver in close proximity to the bogey with out ever presenting a shot window. In effect slapshot wont ever have to "turn away", he may very well force an opponent to chose between evasive action and a front quarter snapshot possibility...that is the objective of the ACM. Either you give up the potential snapshot or you surrender both the initiative and position...
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That pic would make a nice FAIL poster.
Captioned..... "Trying To Turn With Snaphook "FAIL""
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If you look at the picture you can see that the flaps are at least 3 notches. Thats the part that baffled me, basically I went "all in" as soon as I saw him trying to go easy on his reverse. I caught him with too much speed to get inside my turn and not enough separation to effectively double Immel me....so he tried to tighten up at the last moment vs going further out of plane to my flight path (correct action IMO) then complained I ruined a "good fight" by HOing him? The reality is he had alt & E and I simply played the hand he dealt me on the merge.
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Hi slapshot, when merging with another plane eventually one of you will have to turn away a bit to avoid the collison, which would give you a front quarter shot on the guy turning away slightly, would you take that shot?
If you remember the last times we fought (which were excellent fights I might add), there was never a point where I presented/positioned myself to be anywhere near a collision. I work angles ... and when working angles, putting my plane into a collision path would only mean that I am doing a real crappy job at "angles". If I work the angles correctly, then I will never really have to worry about a collision.
Now, if I didn't work the angles correctly and find myself having to avoid a collision ...then by all means kill me with impunity, because I deserved it.
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I thought a HO by definition meant both planes had the shot and one plane took the opportunity. When I come around after the first merge and I have brought my nose around faster than the other guy (hence, I have a shot, he does not) I will take the shot and if I was right about the definition of the HO I am clear of all charges. :D
But ya know what? It's not worth the whine - if you get HOed, you didn't move out of the way quick enough and you still lost the fight. Shrug it off and re-up a new cartoon plane.
Most of the time, when someone goes for the HO on the initial merge he probably doesn't have the ability to turn on you during the second merge... Learning to dodge the HO and maneuvering against the guy on the first turn takes some practice but it's worth it in the end.
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If you remember the last times we fought (which were excellent fights I might add), there was never a point where I presented/positioned myself to be anywhere near a collision. I work angles ... and when working angles, putting my plane into a collision path would only mean that I am doing a real crappy job at "angles". If I work the angles correctly, then I will never really have to worry about a collision.
Now, if I didn't work the angles correctly and find myself having to avoid a collision ...then by all means kill me with impunity, because I deserved it.
Makes sense, ok thanks. Oh and I enjoyed those fights we had as well.
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But ya know what? It's not worth the whine - if you get HOed, you didn't move out of the way quick enough and you still lost the fight. Shrug it off and re-up a new cartoon plane.
Well, I dodge about 99% of HO's....but after I turn the Hoer and kill him....I still type HOtwit on 200.....to let him know the error of his ways! :aok
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Well, I dodge about 99% of HO's....but after I turn the Hoer and kill him....I still type HOtwit on 200.....to let him know the error of his ways! :aok
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He's still a twit for hoing, so you're justified. :aok
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Well, I dodge about 99% of HO's....but after I turn the Hoer and kill him....I still type HOtwit on 200.....to let him know the error of his ways! :aok
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Ya! I type " HO DENIED!, (pilot name here) is on the tower." :aok
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Host; Another Ho waisted
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:rofl keep em coming, I like them....maybe even change my 200 post to one of the new, more better, posts! :devil
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I don't even bother since 90% of the populus HO's. Too much effort to try to stick it to them all. :furious
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Guns are pointed forward for a reason.
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I try not to HO but if someone is doing a lead turn so damn early that I can see his whole plane from nose to tail, you better believe I will take the shot.
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If its not the Ho whine, its the hoard whine, or the vulch whine. I just want some cheese with my wine :lol
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If its not the Ho whine, its the hoard whine, or the vulch whine. I just want some cheese with my wine :lol
Many different facets to the game....hate to see vets gaming the community for score though.
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Many different facets to the game....hate to see vets gaming the community for score though.
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I admit, i've ho'ed few times, sometimes I just do it out of reaction.
I don't see the point of making big deal of whinning about it, especially on 200.
Then again, it is funny to watch sometimes :lol
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Remember... only the HOers call it whining. It's their way of drawing away attention from the fact they are not very good peeelots.
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Guns are pointed forward for a reason.
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Maybe turn them around for the 51 runners so at least they can shoot at ya on their way out..... :rofl
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Maybe turn them around for the 51 runners so at least they can shoot at ya on their way out..... :rofl
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lol