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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: LYNX on March 30, 2009, 10:30:48 AM
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Had me some fun <sarcasum> last night in LWO Baltic. Landed a 3 kill F6f sortie and checked the map only to see yet another Bish NOE mission pop on dar at A22. Quickly I selected a Lgay seven (hate that thing...makes me feel skilless and ashamed) with every intention to goon hunt. Needless to say the field was swamped with ho'ing nikies, tiff's and 110's by the time I had selected and rolled. I was promptly shot down within 3 seconds of wheels up by 1 of 4 cons. Nothing new there and it was pointless upping again to be some hoardlings perk point. So I immediately up that lgay (shiver) from A23 calling the alert for goon killers to follow. Anyway about 1/2 way back to 22 it turns pink (Bish field colour). I was a bit peeved but the dar bar soon dissipated as I entered the dar circle. On my arrival there were 2 110's near the town. 1 turned about heading for the ack but the other made an attempt to fighter before he was dumped in the tower. With clear skies I set about de-acking the town but picked up a pilot wound from the second to last ack remaining. By then 3 guys had upper to sort me out so I went to the field so's they didn't see what I'd just done. I made an abortive pass on a 110 as I blacked out. Then made an attempt at an ammo bunker as I came to. The field ack got me.
In tower I check the map before selecting the goon but eeek another Bish NOE pops on dar at 23...the very field I'm at. This time I get to roll and head for the lickliest place the goon would come from. Dodging a couple of ho passes I spots a goon near the NW side of hills by town but bamm my vert stab takes a left so I bails. Here's the shamefull confession. I opens the chute and I lands right by the town. I have NEVER done this before. I consider it lowly and and gamey, a desperate action of the shamless. I run through the town with my 45 sticking out before me as I hear that goon landing in. It taxi's around to one side. A line of troops march towards me so I stand in front and shoot every single one of the bleeders.
In the distance I see friendly Gv's 4k away so I shouts I killed the first lot of troops but little did I know vox was out. Some 110's made low passes looking for my chute as I walk up to the goon drivers window. I pulls the trigger....empty. My 10 shots were spent.
I tower out only to see the field totally de-acked with a strong cap. Not willing to be a perk point for another skilless hoardling newbie I assess the situation. Friendly Gv's inb 23's town. 22 town is flat, de-acked with time ticking by. My best guesstimate is 30 - ish min before regain if indeed the town went down in 1 go. I upped a goon from 32 (i thinks it's 32...field on the north 1 and 1/2 sectors easterly of 22) and take well over 10 min NOE through the cannons to 22's town. As I get there 2 friendlies arrive and get it flashing. I assume their porking or goon hunting. 23's friendly dar bar grows as the Bish mission faulters. On vox I state my intentions requesting not to have cons dragged to my goon. The friendlies are accommodating. All NOE sneaky like I climb the hill, park up next town and let the troops go. Sure enough I recapture 22.
My statement on 200 was thus.
"Wow that was err FUN."
"It may suprise you to know that I de-acked 22 town. Killed all your troops at 23 then recaptured 22 all on my own."
"So much for your 20 man missions."
Some rye comment came back about liking to playing on my own. A masturbation inferal I assume but isn't a 20 man missions similar except there's a circle :eek:
In closing I would assure everyone I have no intentions of making a habit of bailing over towns. :devil
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Meah. Sounds about average for a MA night. So much hording. So little combat.
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My statement on 200 was thus.
"Wow that was err FUN."
"It may suprise you to know that I de-acked 22 town. Killed all your troops at 23 then recaptured 22 all on my own."
"So much for your 20 man missions."
Some rye comment came back about liking toplaying on my own. A masturbation inferal I assume but isn't a 20 man missions similar except there's a circle :eek:
In closing I would assure everyone I have no intentions of making a habit of bailing over towns. :devil
Sounds like fun,,, best of all you did it NOE,,,,, :rofl
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Sounds like fun,,, best of all you did it NOE,,,,, :rofl
Yer..a NOE one man mission that pissed on the chips of many. Real lowly of me in an unarmed C47. Real skilless of me to do such a thing. Real gamey of me to overwhelm the hoards by myself with their own tactics.
Dadsguns grow some mate. Better still put the grey matter in gear before posting.
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good work captain Lynx, :aok
thats the kind of Rambo watermelon i've done in the past, i'm done bothering anymore. I don't think killing troops in a chute is gamey. If 20 guys can't strafe one chute they deserve not to get the field.
we were doing a little defence of bop/joker hording on sunday and had a laugh trying to kill as many as we could before getting overwhelmed. I don't look down on their play style though. If they choose to group up and fly together in massive missions then that to them is TEAMWORK, regardless of how many people they actually defeat in the air or on the ground. However silly it may seem to us, that is FUN for them and to each their own.
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at the same time there was a major battle at 19. after about 45 minutes and about 60 people involved, they captured 19. at this point we(jg54/the class acts) decided to put up a heavy bombing mission. it was very cool!! we upped from a32 with 5 boxes of lancasters. climbed out to 14.3k, just under the clouds, and set up. as we approached 19 all our little friends(green fighters), saw us in bombers, and covered us.
As we came in over the field and town, we flatten the fighter hangers and then proceeded to flatten the town.
as we passed the town we had some enemy company but again our little friends came to the rescue and covered us and distracted the enemy fighters.
we missed a few buildings and some the bomber hanger so we made a circle and made another pass at the base and the town. we proceeded to finish off the base and the town.
alas no one was ready with troops and i dont think we recaptured it but it sure was a fun time!!
<S> to everyone involved with 19 and 22 last night! its what this game is all about!!
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I taught you well, LYNX :lol
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Yer..a NOE one man mission that pissed on the chips of many. Real lowly of me in an unarmed C47. Real skilless of me to do such a thing. Real gamey of me to overwhelm the hoards by myself with their own tactics.
Dadsguns grow some mate. Better still put the grey matter in gear before posting.
I think he was paying you a compliment mate :confused:
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I think he was paying you a compliment mate :confused:
No, dad wasnt. Just being a smartarse on what lynx did
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:rofl
great LYNX made me laugh,
I do have a question for ya, straight up, why? why? why?
do you dis-like the LA-7 so much? is it because you are such a hard core Brit? or just cant like something Russian?
I consider you one of the better sticks in game, and I know you are smart enough not to judge that plane by the typical stick that flies it,
but that plane is awesome, you cant help but respect it, it does every thing well, and flown to its strengths is almost unbeatable. it will take another great stick in a great plane to kill it.
just wondering
hope you are doing well.
Paul
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I did almost exactly the same thing to base taken by a Dredger mission (used an m3 i ran off the side of the base and hid while the last troops ran in...then watched another noe launch out of the newly captured base and called it out on country ch...then a squaddie ran a fiter over and deacked the freshly captured base (an island)...and i dropped troops and got it back...was awesome!!)...
Oh wait a minute Dredger is your squad mate isn't he Lynx??? You know the "rook mass mission leader" who flew constant noe's with 110s and nikis and mass goons??? He was a leader in that squad "The Blind Bats". Not sure if he was the C.O. or you were??? Maybe you could clear that up for me???
In fact, it got to the point that whenever Dredger was on we knew there would be an 30+ plane noe and would be looking for it...they were called "Dredger missions" on country ch when spotted...(we are not the most creative country that way)
Crap...didn't mean to insinuate you're a hypocrite...my bad...I will assume you were screaming bloody murder at your squadmates about how their gameplay was detrimental to overall game play and promptly disbanded your squad or left it...
or maybe it's only detrimental to gameplay when the Bish do it.... :noid
Keep up with the chest thumping posts they rock :rock
<S> Pot from Kettle!!!
P.S. I am glad the bish are made of better metal...yes we up to defend noe's and missions instead of beggin folks not to run them against us...MAYBE thats why folks don't use them against as much anymore....wierd thought there....
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I am glad the bish are made of better metal...yes we up to defend noe's and missions instead of beggin folks not to run them against us...MAYBE thats why folks don't use them against as much anymore....wierd thought there....
Maybe they're just afraid of a mass collision between the two hordes? :devil
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good work captain Lynx, :aok
thats the kind of Rambo watermelon i've done in the past, i'm done bothering anymore. I don't think killing troops in a chute is gamey. If 20 guys can't strafe one chute they deserve not to get the field.
we were doing a little defence of bop/joker hording on sunday and had a laugh trying to kill as many as we could before getting overwhelmed. I don't look down on their play style though. If they choose to group up and fly together in massive missions then that to them is TEAMWORK, regardless of how many people they actually defeat in the air or on the ground. However silly it may seem to us, that is FUN for them and to each their own.
Now now Bruv, the Few has a ton of base captures and I have rolled with them on many of these on my days off in the a.m....they do NOT include air to air combat but usually involved sneaking a cv within range and shelling a town down and rolling in lvts before the enemy knew it was happening...then a few f4uc's off the deck to finish...so lets not all get on our high horses about using base captures as an opportunity for a fair fight...its a bit off isn't it?????
The other point to mention is these captures were early a.m. when the arenas are fairly unpopulated...so I'm not convinced that 5-6 folks on one base in the early a.m. is much different then 20 on a base in a densely populated arena.... Or maybe its just milkrunning to keep those pesky bomber/gv ranks high...dunno which...I never cared before...don't now. but it is your squad's idea of FUN even if I think it is a bit silly right???
No disrespect meant to your squad, but since you have a label (hording) for mine, I thought it was just to point out the ironies of your comment and the fact that your squad is viewed as a fiter squad despite 20+ captures...more than my wing anyway...
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Maybe they're just afraid of a mass collision between the two hordes? :devil
I always thought that was the goal... :aok
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Your obsession with the Bish is disturbing. ;)
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good work captain Lynx, :aok
thats the kind of Rambo watermelon i've done in the past, i'm done bothering anymore. I don't think killing troops in a chute is gamey. If 20 guys can't strafe one chute they deserve not to get the field.
we were doing a little defence of bop/joker hording on sunday and had a laugh trying to kill as many as we could before getting overwhelmed. I don't look down on their play style though. If they choose to group up and fly together in massive missions then that to them is TEAMWORK, regardless of how many people they actually defeat in the air or on the ground. However silly it may seem to us, that is FUN for them and to each their own.
I agree with your sentiments with regards teamwork, camaraderie, fun etc. I to don't look down upon this style of play. I even do stuff very similar. I can appreciate a well planed and skilfully executed mission. I am after all a strat player more so than a furballer.
What I'm disgruntled about is a couple disproportionate missions and the weak lilly livered posts in defence of this eastern block mentality. By posting this AAR I show 1 guy is just as effective as 20+ brainless hoardlings. One guy made better uses of his resources than the blundehead mission builder that sent 20+ guys to a port.
Here's something for Dadsguns to think about the next time he post crap to the effect "Rooks should up to defend instead of worrying about their precious score". I'm currently ranked 6 (not that it matters). I'm consistently in the top 10 and further more I do up to defend. So armed with these facts he needs to assess his flawed theory as posted in other threads. While your at it mate don't think squadrons of rooks in tower waiting to scramble to beat up your fearless :rolleyes: NOE mission. Think about how many are in the air doing other things and would have to bail to counter.
As much as I find it irritating to complement the Bish they did put on some cracking in ya face missions yesterday. Not every single one was NOE or what I would deem disproportionate. Well done on the reset although aided by the knights lack of interest in regaining their own territory.
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:rofl
great LYNX made me laugh,
I do have a question for ya, straight up, why? why? why?
do you dis-like the LA-7 so much? is it because you are such a hard core Brit? or just cant like something Russian?
I consider you one of the better sticks in game, and I know you are smart enough not to judge that plane by the typical stick that flies it,
but that plane is awesome, you cant help but respect it, it does every thing well, and flown to its strengths is almost unbeatable. it will take another great stick in a great plane to kill it.
just wondering
hope you are doing well.
Paul
It is indeed a good plane when handled correctly but to many us it for ho'ing and gun n run. I'm not intersted with being associated with such actions.
Yer...thanks man. Nearly all better now. Next thing ya know I'll be looking for work :uhoh
:salute
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Here's something for Dadsguns to think about the next time he post crap to the effect "Rooks should up to defend instead of worrying about their precious score". I'm currently ranked 6 (not that it matters). I'm consistently in the top 10 and further more I do up to defend. So armed with these facts he needs to assess his flawed theory as posted in other threads. While your at it mate don't think squadrons of rooks in tower waiting to scramble to beat up your fearless :rolleyes: NOE mission. Think about how many are in the air doing other things and would have to bail to counter.
As much as I find it irritating to complement the Bish they did put on some cracking in ya face missions yesterday. Not every single one was NOE or what I would deem disproportionate. Well done on the reset although aided by the knights lack of interest in regaining their own territory.
I will say that you are one of the few that will even attempt to defend and usually you get shot down many times, its remarkable that you can maintain your rank as much as you die. Do share with us whats the secret.
With that said, there are exceptions, and you may be one of them and thats not for me to decide, but for you to choose to ignore that "theory" as you call it is entirely up to you. Prior to getting the data that is available today many didnt think that people would do many things, yet we see more times than not they get caught doing some gamey stuff. Jolly good show.
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Now now Bruv, the Few has a ton of base captures and I have rolled with them on many of these on my days off in the a.m....they do NOT include air to air combat but usually involved sneaking a cv within range and shelling a town down and rolling in lvts before the enemy knew it was happening...then a few f4uc's off the deck to finish...so lets not all get on our high horses about using base captures as an opportunity for a fair fight...its a bit off isn't it?????
The other point to mention is these captures were early a.m. when the arenas are fairly unpopulated...so I'm not convinced that 5-6 folks on one base in the early a.m. is much different then 20 on a base in a densely populated arena.... Or maybe its just milkrunning to keep those pesky bomber/gv ranks high...dunno which...I never cared before...don't now. but it is your squad's idea of FUN even if I think it is a bit silly right???
No disrespect meant to your squad, but since you have a label (hording) for mine, I thought it was just to point out the ironies of your comment and the fact that your squad is viewed as a fiter squad despite 20+ captures...more than my wing anyway...
as I said on private. The only time we are taking fields is when we are bored or can't find anything better to do. The timezones which we cannot do anything about present us with less furballs to go play in, so we will try and start one by either taking a field or a couple of fields to chance a better furball.
I can only go by who I killed in the hopeless defence of said fields on Sunday, if it wasn't your whole squad and just one member in a Joker mission then that is a bad call. This game has far too many players assuming things already. If you had combined your resources to throw it all in one place like I said in my first post that is teamwork. I couldn't care less if you take the field half the fun is preventing you guys from getting it. :P
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It is indeed a good plane when handled correctly but to many us it for ho'ing and gun n run. I'm not intersted with being associated with such actions.
Yer...thanks man. Nearly all better now. Next thing ya know I'll be looking for work :uhoh
:salute
as far as being associated with the actions of others, I fly the Hurri2C and anyone who is anyone, knows I don't fly it the typical way (HO everything) same with the LA.
I know I would not associate you with the actions of others, and if someone does then you don't need there respect, and they don't deserve yours.
I wish you well.
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I always thought that was the goal... :aok
It might be some people's goal, but hordes don't seem to want any obstacles (fights) in their way to prevent the base take. When resistance is encountered, the attack fizzles and maybe regroups for a second giant wave. Usually it ends up at another desolate spot on the map. That's why there are often huge hordes attacking empty bases while enemy hordes attack your empty bases. :rolleyes: Always being a knight, I thought it was mostly the bish that do this stuff. That's not the case at all. Knights are as guilty (if you can call it that, depends on your perspective) as the rest. Nothing wrong with taking bases. Smashing all opposition (by flattening hangars) to prevent a fight is pretty lame. Many seem to disagree. Those are the ones that circle the de-acked base in droves, just hoping to pile on someone that has almost no chance. If nobody ups, your 20 minute sortie ends with no vulches, bounces or picks. Same with a dozen or more of your mission pals. But you got the base.
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I will say that you are one of the few that will even attempt to defend and usually you get shot down many times, its remarkable that you can maintain your rank as much as you die. Do share with us whats the secret.
With that said, there are exceptions, and you may be one of them and thats not for me to decide, but for you to choose to ignore that "theory" as you call it is entirely up to you. Prior to getting the data that is available today many didnt think that people would do many things, yet we see more times than not they get caught doing some gamey stuff. Jolly good show.
sorry but you earned it
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dankes grizz for the pic
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I did almost exactly the same thing to base taken by a Dredger mission (used an m3 i ran off the side of the base and hid while the last troops ran in...then watched another noe launch out of the newly captured base and called it out on country ch...then a squaddie ran a fiter over and deacked the freshly captured base (an island)...and i dropped troops and got it back...was awesome!!)...
Oh wait a minute Dredger is your squad mate isn't he Lynx??? You know the "rook mass mission leader" who flew constant noe's with 110s and nikis and mass goons??? He was a leader in that squad "The Blind Bats". Not sure if he was the C.O. or you were??? Maybe you could clear that up for me???
In fact, it got to the point that whenever Dredger was on we knew there would be an 30+ plane noe and would be looking for it...they were called "Dredger missions" on country ch when spotted...(we are not the most creative country that way)
Crap...didn't mean to insinuate you're a hypocrite...my bad...I will assume you were screaming bloody murder at your squadmates about how their gameplay was detrimental to overall game play and promptly disbanded your squad or left it...
or maybe it's only detrimental to gameplay when the Bish do it.... :noid
Keep up with the chest thumping posts they rock :rock
<S> Pot from Kettle!!!
P.S. I am glad the bish are made of better metal...yes we up to defend noe's and missions instead of beggin folks not to run them against us...MAYBE thats why folks don't use them against as much anymore....wierd thought there....
To answere a question and help you pull your head out ya behind I'll clear a few things up. Dredger is the CO / squad leader. I'm just a squadie. Personally the only missions I regularly get involved with are squad missions. By that I mean just squad members. I've be known to create / lead a few myself. Did join a Dredger country mission once about 2 years ago. It confirmed why I don't like country mission. Boring, uneventful and far to easy. I will get involved and have instigated a few country rolls.
Now for the laxative to easy your mind out of the dark crevice you've put it in. I'm not opposed to well planed missions. Even NOE mission are acceptable in my mind but disproportionate missions as posted by thundreggs over this weekend are pathetic and detrimental to game play. Read my reply to Bruv .....save me doing the copy paste.
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Now for the laxative to easy your mind out of the dark crevice you've put it in. I'm not opposed to well planed missions. Even NOE mission are acceptable in my mind but disproportionate missions as posted by thundreggs over this weekend are pathetic and detrimental to game play. Read my reply to Bruv .....save me doing the copy paste.
:rofl Your calling someone Pathetic?
You and every NOE hater has tried every tact to criminalize NOE's, here a few: HORDES are bad for the game, afraid to fight, teaching newbs the wrong way, taking undefended bases, blah blah blah blah, now you turds are trying to use the "disproportionate missions theme" That's Pathetic..... :rolleyes:
Whats it gonna be next week?
:lol
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The only way to settle this is to get the
Bops and the blind bats signed up to the squad dueling league. Rules are laid out and you can have some friendly beer in the tower afterwards. :)
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This is all i ahve to say.
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And what is it your trying to say, that only the bish do that..... All three sides do. And people participate in them from all three sides. I would be willing to bet that pic came from one of the last bases from this weekend.
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I have been rook for a month.....No NOE Missons with more than 5 people. BTW That is only bout 1/2 of the horde, one of them is bout D600 from me opening up on my helpless P38 on the runway.
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Stokes, I know you have flown many..many noe missions as a bish so dont even go there.
Second, Lynx, ThndrEgg puts together some fantastic Jug runs that are high alt plus many bombing runs and not just noe smash and grabs. Plus he is one of the nicest guys that plays this game. If you want to call some one a "detriment" to the game dont forget to throw yourself in there due to you constant chest pounding and "Holier than thou" attitude :rolleyes:.
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Hehhehehe i like to piss the misson leaders off. Pop way early. And of course fly at 201 feet. :devil
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The only way to settle this is to get the
Bops and the blind bats signed up to the squad dueling league. Rules are laid out and you can have some friendly beer in the tower afterwards. :)
As we spoke on private...I respect The Few and do not have a beef with them...my post was obviously to show that everybody has gamey moments...whther its boredom or numbers or just wanting to have fun...
I have no problem joining the dueling league...the reason we haven't is because of the constant anti-BoP posts (even yours suprisingly) that have populated the bbs. We would want to fly in such a league solely to have fun...not to "earn" respect or "teach someone a lesson" but just to have fun...right now that doesn't seem possible...I hope this sorts itself out personally as it is something i would enjoy.
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:rofl Your calling someone Pathetic?
You and every NOE hater has tried every tact to criminalize NOE's, here a few: HORDES are bad for the game, afraid to fight, teaching newbs the wrong way, taking undefended bases, blah blah blah blah, now you turds are trying to use the "disproportionate missions theme" That's Pathetic..... :rolleyes:
Whats it gonna be next week?
:lol
Go read every thread every post and paste here in context that I've said I'm opposed to NOE's, missions or captures. What you'll find is where I've commented on ludicrous game play.
You've read and posted in threads over the weekend. You know darn well I've commented on Thundreggs 20+ mission to a port. You Sir are out of context to the point of being selective.
I suppose to your ilk this action was fun and acceptable. I dare say you can't see beyond the end of your nose where detrimental game play is concerned.
Whats to happen next week?... MA's to be split into 100 man arena's because you and yours are gonna bugger it up for EVERYONE with crap like that. Not that I would think HTC would do that but he has a habit of pulling the rug from underneath folks feet. Unfortunately the fall out involves us all.
As previously posted put the grey matter into gear before posting a rebuttal.
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To answere a question and help you pull your head out ya behind I'll clear a few things up. Dredger is the CO / squad leader. I'm just a squadie. Personally the only missions I regularly get involved with are squad missions. By that I mean just squad members. I've be known to create / lead a few myself. Did join a Dredger country mission once about 2 years ago. It confirmed why I don't like country mission. Boring, uneventful and far to easy. I will get involved and have instigated a few country rolls.
Now for the laxative to easy your mind out of the dark crevice you've put it in. I'm not opposed to well planed missions. Even NOE mission are acceptable in my mind but disproportionate missions as posted by thundreggs over this weekend are pathetic and detrimental to game play. Read my reply to Bruv .....save me doing the copy paste.
Once again...you have set yourself up as an unasked arbiter of what is TOO much. Given your own squad runs such missions that overwhelm and capture bases, I would either call you hypocritical OR confused. Or yoou just don't like receiving what you are dishing out....i personally think that that is the case.
When Dredger was in his prime, you never saw bish posting in here about what a bad tactician/detriment to gameplay he was. It would have been inappropriate. It is his $15 and I actually liked fiting against him and trying to thwart him. But you have no qualms trying to embarrass one of the nicest guys in the game (Thndregg) over the fact he posts some fun missions (including jugs/hurri1s) that the rooks refused to oppose. I will call that inappropriate as well...
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Go read every thread every post and paste here in context that I've said I'm opposed to NOE's, missions or captures. What you'll find is where I've commented on ludicrous game play.
You've read and posted in threads over the weekend. You know darn well I've commented on Thundreggs 20+ mission to a port. You Sir are out of context to the point of being selective.
I suppose to your ilk this action was fun and acceptable. I dare say you can't see beyond the end of your nose where detrimental game play is concerned.
Whats to happen next week?... MA's to be split into 100 man arena's because you and yours are gonna bugger it up for EVERYONE with crap like that. Not that I would think HTC would do that but he has a habit of pulling the rug from underneath folks feet. Unfortunately the fall out involves us all.
As previously posted put the grey matter into gear before posting a rebuttal.
That was another tact....
And yes, thats why you did it too, sorry to bust your bubble, your not the first to take a base with 1 person and certainly not the last.
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This thread went down hill fast :huh
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Once again...you have set yourself up as an unasked arbiter of what is TOO much. Given your own squad runs such missions that overwhelm and capture bases, I would either call you hypocritical OR confused. Or yoou just don't like receiving what you are dishing out....i personally think that that is the case.
When Dredger was in his prime, you never saw bish posting in here about what a bad tactician/detriment to gameplay he was. It would have been inappropriate. It is his $15 and I actually liked fiting against him and trying to thwart him. But you have no qualms trying to embarrass one of the nicest guys in the game (Thndregg) over the fact he posts some fun missions (including jugs/hurri1s) that the rooks refused to oppose. I will call that inappropriate as well...
Your lack of comprehension is outstanding. So I'll spell it out as you haven't read as requested read my post to Bruv. Or any other reply in this thread by the looks of it. All well and good to thundregg for putting some cracking mission together. All power to him for mustering Hurri 1 fun missions. I've not commented on those ONLY the 20+ to a Vbase and port . The easiest base to capture on all maps. That's disproportionate. Like Dadsguns your either being selective or as I fear not comprehending things. Tell me where I have disputed the use of NOE's or missions. Better still PASTE my words in context here. You Sir will have a problem finding such a thing.
The laxative clearly hasn't worked. So what are you saying or trying to imply? That Dredgers NOE missions were disproportionate and if you are then your implying that your own mission are. I refer once again 20+ to a poxy port......That's twenty plus guys to take a port. More than 19 to a place with 1 vh and 8 of the worlds most deadly acks. :rolleyes:
By posting this AAR I prove 1 man is as effective as 20. I prove creativity is as deadly as bludgeoning a place to death. By posting this AAR I'm taking the piss out of those NOE guys.....find where I had NOT condoned the use of NOE. FFS a blasted kid could read and comprehend the whole thread.
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That was another tact....
And yes, thats why you did it too, sorry to bust your bubble, your not the first to take a base with 1 person and certainly not the last.
Your still in neutral. Do you have a problem conveying your thoughts with written text. You have not made yourself clear.
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Now LYNX, you do realize that for goon hunting, the yaks are nicer? They have good acceleration, and you can have a 37 mil. or a 20 mil. at a moments disposal?
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As we spoke on private...I respect The Few and do not have a beef with them...my post was obviously to show that everybody has gamey moments...whther its boredom or numbers or just wanting to have fun...
I have no problem joining the dueling league...the reason we haven't is because of the constant anti-BoP posts (even yours suprisingly) that have populated the bbs. We would want to fly in such a league solely to have fun...not to "earn" respect or "teach someone a lesson" but just to have fun...right now that doesn't seem possible...I hope this sorts itself out personally as it is something i would enjoy.
I wouldnt say i've posted "anti" bop posts falcon. All I said was the bop/joker horde, if you werent hording those fields on sunday then i'm losing it. ;). You can blame jokers if you must for putting up more bodies than bops, i'll accept that as a share in the blame.
The only other groups to have attacked you here on the BBS are the muppets and they are only 1 member of a 9 strong league. You don't HAVE to fight them if they smell. I for one will appreciate what your best sticks can bring to a fight. Win or lose. The SDL is about having fun EQUAL fights, so everyone should have a crack at it. You have nothing to lose. You might make some more friends along the way.
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Someone said that taking Ports are the easiest on the map pfffffft, if their is a cv in dock its reallllllllly hard with the ressuply, I just lost a capture last week because someone shelled the map room with 5" lol. But I agree with LYNX hordes suck when your on the losing end of them, but they also suck when your in them, honestly who likes going home with 1 kill and 7 assists.
As far as killing hangers go and capturing bases by yourself, why not? If you've got it flaunt it. Just last night I flew 24's to a vbase, dropped the hangers, >bombed and bailed tard<, rolled a t34-85 and killed 6 gv's, deacked, then rolled M3 with about 30 seconds to spare.
Everything about this game is gamey, thats why its called a game ;) Have fun, drink more, fly some bombers :salute
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Your lack of comprehension is outstanding. So I'll spell it out as you haven't read as requested read my post to Bruv. Or any other reply in this thread by the looks of it. All well and good to thundregg for putting some cracking mission together. All power to him for mustering Hurri 1 fun missions. I've not commented on those ONLY the 20+ to a Vbase and port . The easiest base to capture on all maps. That's disproportionate. Like Dadsguns your either being selective or as I fear not comprehending things. Tell me where I have disputed the use of NOE's or missions. Better still PASTE my words in context here. You Sir will have a problem finding such a thing.
The laxative clearly hasn't worked. So what are you saying or trying to imply? That Dredgers NOE missions were disproportionate and if you are then your implying that your own mission are. I refer once again 20+ to a poxy port......That's twenty plus guys to take a port. More than 19 to a place with 1 vh and 8 of the worlds most deadly acks. :rolleyes:
By posting this AAR I prove 1 man is as effective as 20. I prove creativity is as deadly as bludgeoning a place to death. By posting this AAR I'm taking the piss out of those NOE guys.....find where I had NOT condoned the use of NOE. FFS a blasted kid could read and comprehend the whole thread.
AND I will continue to reiterate til it sinks thru the ol noggin that even 20 to a port or vbase that is well defended MAY not be enough at times....
There are crazy things like gvs, supplies and whats the floaty thing with deadly guns that can kill you (surrounded by other floaty things with deadly guns) from 5k plus and takes a crapload of ordinance to kill....oh yeah a CV...we Bish are not as adept at knowing where the enemy cvs are at all times as YOU seem to be...BTW the floaty thing can spawn planes like an airbase...FYI
The way you, shawk, elk etc were typing on ch 200 sure made it seem as if there would be a stiff resistance at the time...it never panned out. Also the vbase in question had a friendly (rook) gv spawn into it and the rooks occupied the adjacent airfield.
Well I hope this helps you put things into proper perspective...if not at least we can agree that you are so far committed into continuing this argument that you refuse to acknowledge the reality of field capture...perhaps you should take a tour as bish or knight to realize that this is NOT a bish or Thndregg issue...
SO my point remains that NOONE can arbiter what is overkill for a base capture because NOONE ever knows what the resistance will be...
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Lynx the AAR was glorious! The only possible way it could have been better would have been to save 2 bullets and kilt the goon driver :rofl :rofl :rofl
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you get 22 rounds of .45 ammo :)
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Wait... NOE is BAD but using second and third accounts to keep an eye on enemy fleets and protect your own is...? Perhaps you should reconsider...
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NOE horde missions are ruining this game.
What do these horders learn? How to HO? It's nothing but a wussy tactic that proves nothing. All it takes is some self-proclaimed "Chess Piece Savior" to convince a bunch of N00bs to fly in 110's and shoot a few buildings.
I enjoy the struggle of a base capture. For example, last night in the Baltic map, my squad decided that we would try and capture A24. So most of the squad upped gv's from v66 and spawned south. I upped an AR234 in hopes of killing A24's vh. By the time I got there it was already down, so I dropped it on a few gv's and ord. Anyways, we ended up flattening the town that was being defended by 3 or 4 IL2's and a few other fighters. For the life of us we couldn't manage to get an M3 into town. So a few squaddies decided to up bombers to flatten the hangars. They did just that. The base was flat and we had troops at the map room running, unfortunately a 110 comes in and strafes some of the troops. By this time V66's troops had been porked and the hangars popped. We were denied the base.
Even though we couldn't capture the base, we still tried. We gave it our all and that's all we could do. Although outnumbered, we were 3 or 4 seconds away from getting that base. We pretty much maximized our potential as a group of 5 working in a cohesive manner. The NOE horde missions aren't thrilling or even a challenge; it is anti competitive and is hurting game play.
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It's a game with cartoon aircraft, pretend engine sounds, pretend wind etc, I know it's a game because my 13 year old son plays and he only plays games.
We are all different and we want different things out of the game, I get to play 20 minutes lunch time and for maybe an hour or so after work, in my time I do what I want to do with no regard to anyone else at all, if I am in Lancs with no ord and you are chasing me in your 190 then get ready for me to bail, I am here for my fun not yours.
If you camp a spawn, I will be back with ord to ruin your day if possible. If my CV is able to spawn feet dry millions of troops, then millions of troops will be dropped. (see a theme ?)
If a horde attacks a base NOE and it isn't defended then tough luck, we play a game and no one has the right (apart from HTC) to dictate how we all should play. You don't like hordes ? then quit the game, go to another arena or deal with it within the confines of the game, pretty damn simple really.
wipass
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thats a pretty hard line your taking there wipass,
what will happen when all the old players or players with excellent cartoon flying skills all dissappear and all you have left is a WAR that is meaningless and players that can't fight their way out of a paper bag.
A pretty dire game don't ya think? AH is in no way going down the pan but i've seen the game I loved dissapear because the owners made the wrong decisions and people switched off. If HT decided to move the goalposts with the current strategy gameplay would you give a poop then?
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Yes, it's a tough line bruv and for that I make no apologies. (no offence intended)
However, in my opinion AH doesn't have any problems with it's current game play, sure a few things could be tidied up (feet dry spawning, being able to launch a million torpedoes in seconds etc).
If HTC had an issue with NOE then he could simply enable radar at all heights, if he had an issue with missions, he could delete the mission editor. I seem to remember that he isn't backwards in going forwards and will make changes as he sees fit.
All I see is whining from certain minority sections of the community about the way other sections of the community want to play. The players don't own the game and have no rights at all, none what so ever. HTC sets the rules and we play our game according to them, Period.
If the rules change then we either accept them and get on with it or we cancel our account and go elsewhere. (as I did with warbirds in 2002)
It's not tough to find a fight in the LW arenas, it's not tough to find something to bomb or to find another GV to slug it out with. When the knights or rooks organise a mission against bishops and take a field or two, I don't come on here and complain.
Frankly why should it be any ones business if Bishops use 20 aircraft to take a port ? If the opposing side wanted to keep it badly enough then they should have upped and defended it.
Anyway, that's my take on it.
Have fun and see you in those clear blue pixelated skies ;)
wipass
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And what is it your trying to say, that only the bish do that..... All three sides do. And people participate in them from all three sides. I would be willing to bet that pic came from one of the last bases from this weekend.
Ive been in LW Orange this whole week and had to face the migrating wildabeast. Bish do it ALL the time Dads. Its almost obvious that its become their crutch to take 50 planes and dogpile a town. The issue isnt about landgrabbing. It is an aspect of the game with intention of being a "reward" for hard work and tenacity. If you truley want to be respected and still love the landgrabbing aspect of this game then EARN THE BASE. Fight hard for it and dont move around the map like little Nancys when a fight becomes too hard for you.
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If HTC had an issue with NOE then he could simply enable radar at all heights, if he had an issue with missions, he could delete the mission editor. I seem to remember that he isn't backwards in going forwards and will make changes as he sees fit.
The problem is not NOE's. They have their time and place and are legitimate tactics. What people complain about are not NOE missions per. se. NOE is there for a reason, and is a wonderfull addition to the game. It has it's place.
As do large groups of planes (i.e. hordes). I have no problem with large groups of players getting together to accomplish a goal. In fact, I both applaud and encourage it.
Nor does anybody have an issue with missions. Missions are wonderfull things that should be encouraged and we should have more of.
What people ARE debating are tactics and gameplay style. If your normal modus operandi is running large NOE horde missions to attack bases that have nobody defending, then I am talking about, and to you, in this post.
(liken it to candy, ice cream, and doughnuts. all three are wonderfull things, but if ALL you eat is candy, ice cream, and doughnuts... well, you tell me... would that be healthy?)
which brings me to........
All I see is whining from certain minority sections of the community about the way other sections of the community want to play. The players don't own the game and have no rights at all, none what so ever. HTC sets the rules and we play our game according to them, Period.
I would be curious as to how you came up with the concept that the majority of AcesHighs player base are in favor of avoiding conflict. (which is what this debate is about when all is said and done, avoiding fights). I firmly believe that most people that fly AcesHigh enjoy Aerial Combat (the point of the game). The LAST thing a noe hoard mission does is encourage combat. The players in the mission don't get to fight (no nme to fight) and the defenders (if there are any) don't typically fight back much because let's face it, who wants to go up against 20 to 1 odds?
The base got captured sure, that did happen.
But if you are playing AcesHigh to only capture bases that are undefended, heck, just play offline and capture all the bases you want. I am sure we could even talk the CM team into setting up the SEA during off peak hours so you can attack and capture all the ghost towns y'all want. Possible talk HTC into creating a Weenie Arena. Set it so only one country has planes, and let large groups of toolshedders swarm undefended base after undefended base and "Win da' War!" for the Weeine side. (this is actually not a bad idea come to think of it)
As has allready been stated (by the games creators on the BBS), the point of the game is Aerial Combat. Base captures, bombers, ground vehicles, task groups, are all in the game to promote and facilitate Aerial Combat. Why anybody would pay $14.95 for a game based on combat and then do everything that they could to AVOID combat is beyond me. Seems a bit silly.
Not that I am saying that those types of missions don't have their place in the game. Nor am I saying that everybody should just furball all day long. It is taking such things to an extreme that is detrimental. (please see the candy, ice cream and doughnut example above) I would write a huge wall o' text post in a thread about how we should all only Furball. (against it of course)
I would also point out that the games creator HAS chimed in on this issue and he feels that the style of gameplay we are discussing is detrimental to the game. He flat out said that. He even said it in reference to the BoPs in a thread about their gameplay style IIRC. (i'm sure Murdr will be along to post the quotes for me) Why do you think the arenas were split in the first place? It is this exact same unhealthy behavior that caused it.
Are you REALLY saying that it is ok to abuse NOE's, missions, and hoards until HTC finally removes them from the game?
I GUESS you could keep chucking gameplay down the toilet and wait for HiTech to change the rules and setup (AGAIN). I suppose we COULD all wait for HTC to have to step in, but to be honest, we shouldn't have to.
Some stuff is just "obvious". Maybe not to you, but it is to most. This is something that the community should deal with and fix.
And the "fix" is quite simple actually, and is a whole heck of a lot more fun that toolshedding bases.
Run that huge hoard NOE raid, just do it at a base being defended, or has a chance at being defended. Don't find the most out of the way isolated field to attack.
Horde up. Throw 20-30 planes at an opponents field. Just do it vs. one that has a large enemy dar bar over it.
I fully understand that it is much more difficult to capture a defended base, but at the same time, it is sooooooooo much more rewarding when you do finally achieve that goal. As was stated by TRALFZ, you earn that capture. EVERYBODY has more fun because of this tactic. The defenders have a blast, as do the attackers. It is much more satisfying in the end and it promotes a healthy game and community.
In closing I am NOT saying hordes, missions, NOE, or NOE horde missions are bad things. I AM saying that they can be detrimental to the game if they become the "norm" as opposed to the exception.
(edit: I would also like to add that the large "noe undefended base hoard" types use arguments such as "tactics" and "working together" to try and legitimize this style of gameplay. I want to point out that those SAME "tactics" and "working together" are what is used when you attack fields that have enemy at them. It is just HARDER to do, and most of these squads lack the actual grasp on "tactics" and ability to "work together" to be able to pull off this type of capture with any degree of success and frequency. (which I find ironic) I am 100% positive they do it occasionally, and I am also sure that they have had some small success at it. I also know they have had 100x more failures than success. Which is why they end up attacking undefended bases more times than not because they are really not very good at all capturing a field that has even odds at it and when all is said and done they really don't have a grasp on how to use tactics or work well together to achieve victory conditions when the odds are not stacked in their favor)
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you guys remind me of "baghdad bob"......remember him???? "WE CLEEEEAN THE WHOOOOOLE PLACE OF enmy tanks"........BOOOM WTF WAS THAT????? American tank bob"
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Well said WMLute !! :aok
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The problem is not NOE's. They have their time and place and are legitimate tactics. What people complain about are not NOE missions per. se. NOE is there for a reason, and is a wonderfull addition to the game. It has it's place.
As do large groups of planes (i.e. hordes). I have no problem with large groups of players getting together to accomplish a goal. In fact, I both applaud and encourage it.
Nor does anybody have an issue with missions. Missions are wonderfull things that should be encouraged and we should have more of.
What people ARE debating are tactics and gameplay style. If your normal modus operandi is running large NOE horde missions to attack bases that have nobody defending, then I am talking about, and to you, in this post.
(liken it to candy, ice cream, and doughnuts. all three are wonderfull things, but if ALL you eat is candy, ice cream, and doughnuts... well, you tell me... would that be healthy?)
which brings me to........
I would be curious as to how you came up with the concept that the majority of AcesHighs player base are in favor of avoiding conflict. (which is what this debate is about when all is said and done, avoiding fights).
Did I say that anyone is actually in favour of avoiding aircraft ? Did I say majority in any sentence ?
I firmly believe that most people that fly AcesHigh enjoy Aerial Combat (the point of the game). The LAST thing a noe hoard mission does is encourage combat. The players in the mission don't get to fight (no nme to fight) and the defenders (if there are any) don't typically fight back much because let's face it, who wants to go up against 20 to 1 odds?
The base got captured sure, that did happen.
But if you are playing AcesHigh to only capture bases that are undefended, heck, just play offline and capture all the bases you want. I am sure we could even talk the CM team into setting up the SEA during off peak hours so you can attack and capture all the ghost towns y'all want. Possible talk HTC into creating a Weenie Arena. Set it so only one country has planes, and let large groups of toolshedders swarm undefended base after undefended base and "Win da' War!" for the Weeine side. (this is actually not a bad idea come to think of it)
You are now getting above yourself and making assumptions based on nothing at all, for this reason I won't debate further with you. You are pretty good at writing lots of words and sentences, trouble is you don't really know what you are responding to.
As has allready been stated (by the games creators on the BBS), the point of the game is Aerial Combat. Base captures, bombers, ground vehicles, task groups, are all in the game to promote and facilitate Aerial Combat. Why anybody would pay $14.95 for a game based on combat and then do everything that they could to AVOID combat is beyond me. Seems a bit silly.
What seems silly, is that you are sulking because people won't play your way.
Not that I am saying that those types of missions don't have their place in the game. Nor am I saying that everybody should just furball all day long. It is taking such things to an extreme that is detrimental. (please see the candy, ice cream and doughnut example above) I would write a huge wall o' text post in a thread about how we should all only Furball. (against it of course)
I would also point out that the games creator HAS chimed in on this issue and he feels that the style of gameplay we are discussing is detrimental to the game. He flat out said that. He even said it in reference to the BoPs in a thread about their gameplay style IIRC. (i'm sure Murdr will be along to post the quotes for me) Why do you think the arenas were split in the first place? It is this exact same unhealthy behavior that caused it.
Are you REALLY saying that it is ok to abuse NOE's, missions, and hoards until HTC finally removes them from the game?
I GUESS you could keep chucking gameplay down the toilet and wait for HiTech to change the rules and setup (AGAIN). I suppose we COULD all wait for HTC to have to step in, but to be honest, we shouldn't have to.
See my previous quote about "silly"
Some stuff is just "obvious". Maybe not to you, but it is to most. This is something that the community should deal with and fix.
And the "fix" is quite simple actually, and is a whole heck of a lot more fun that toolshedding bases.
Run that huge hoard NOE raid, just do it at a base being defended, or has a chance at being defended. Don't find the most out of the way isolated field to attack.
You really are a tool, are you really saying that NOE's only take the most out of the way isolated fields ? If so you are more stupid than I initially supposed, seeing that 99.9% of bases are next to each other.
Horde up. Throw 20-30 planes at an opponents field. Just do it vs. one that has a large enemy dar bar over it.
You mean play your way
I fully understand that it is much more difficult to capture a defended base, but at the same time, it is sooooooooo much more rewarding when you do finally achieve that goal. As was stated by TRALFZ, you earn that capture. EVERYBODY has more fun because of this tactic. The defenders have a blast, as do the attackers. It is much more satisfying in the end and it promotes a healthy game and community.
In your opinion,
In closing I am NOT saying hordes, missions, NOE, or NOE horde missions are bad things. I AM saying that they can be detrimental to the game if they become the "norm" as opposed to the exception.
(edit: I would also like to add that the large "noe undefended base hoard" types use arguments such as "tactics" and "working together" to try and legitimize this style of gameplay. I want to point out that those SAME "tactics" and "working together" are what is used when you attack fields that have enemy at them. It is just HARDER to do, and most of these squads lack the actual grasp on "tactics" and ability to "work together" to be able to pull off this type of capture with any degree of success and frequency. (which I find ironic) I am 100% positive they do it occasionally, and I am also sure that they have had some small success at it. I also know they have had 100x more failures than success. Which is why they end up attacking undefended bases more times than not because they are really not very good at all capturing a field that has even odds at it and when all is said and done they really don't have a grasp on how to use tactics or work well together to achieve victory conditions when the odds are not stacked in their favor)
For the record, I rarely join missions, NOE or otherwise and play the game my way and for my enjoyment. I also don't tell others how to play the game and wouldn't ever dream of doing so.
You are in a minority, a very vocal minority but a minority all the same. Deal with it
wipass
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Wait... NOE is BAD but using second and third accounts to keep an eye on enemy fleets and protect your own is...? Perhaps you should reconsider...
Who should reconsider and what should they reconsider? As the OP of this thread coupled with your lack of clarity as to whom your actually talking to, I'll assume this unfounded comment is pointed in my direction.
You have ASSUMED I use less than fair means to detect Cv's. Double and triple accounts :rofl and not the easy way which is to actually have a grasp of the game. Considering there are only so many ports, so many Cv's and so little a route these Cv's can take. Considering they only travel a sector every 50 min. Considering there are luckily destinations / key fields there probably going to. Considering newbies have a habit of upping from Cv's creating dar bars in the middle of nowhere. Considering ords get porked at adjacent fields to key fields. Considering most Cv commanders are less creative than an Ape with a stick of chalk. Finding a Cv is relatively easy. But of cause YOU would have to have a grasp of the game. :lol
You may consider contacting HTC, as I'm assured others have done, and present your studious evidence before him. Ask for an IP check.....that shows if I have 2 or 3 or 100 accounts. In the mean time whilst you become acquainted with the game I'll add you to the list of paranoid bish.
Chalenge, Mogex, GTR, Joker, Vcpic, HvyD, Rubicon8 <real card that one> and a few there's I can't remember.
P.S While I'm at it! Paranoid Bish let me state I'm to good for you :rofl <little jibe> I only have 1 account. I don't switch sides to sneaky peak Vcpic. I don't use spies. I aim with my gunsite. I'm not bullet proof and I'm not capable of attacking 3 different fields at once. Oh man! that really made me chuckle ....check 6 everyone :salute
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Lynx, I personally resent the fact that you use PINK to denote we few, we happy few, we band of brothers...a/k/a the warrior clan Bish.
shamus
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For the record, I rarely join missions, NOE or otherwise and play the game my way and for my enjoyment. I also don't tell others how to play the game and wouldn't ever dream of doing so.
You are in a minority, a very vocal minority but a minority all the same. Deal with it
wipass
Seems to me that by telling us to man up and just fly in the cesspool that the rest of you are content to wallow in that you ARE telling us how to play.
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Lynx, I personally resent the fact that you use PINK to denote we few, we happy few, we band of brothers...a/k/a the warrior clan Bish.
shamus
I resent the fact that your using shakespeare to describe the Bish. Get your own material :D
Pink is cool!! just remember that the next time a pink spit shoots you down!
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Credit to bmathis for the pics :)
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Plagiarism is an art form :D
shamus
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For the record, I rarely join missions, NOE or otherwise and play the game my way and for my enjoyment. I also don't tell others how to play the game and wouldn't ever dream of doing so.
You are in a minority, a very vocal minority but a minority all the same. Deal with it
wipass
Gosh wipass, I sure would like to hear you explain how wanting to see the AH players fight each other instead of avoiding contact and milking fields is a "minority opinion".
Please... do tell. I can't WAIT to hear this one.
I would also like to have you explain how my wanting players to fight each other in planes, GV's, bombers etc is "playing my way". Is there another way to play that I have missed? Maybe a Texas Hold 'em game is going on in some O'Club I am not aware of? I am PRETTY sure that combat in planes and GV's is the point of this game, which is why I never could understood why so many players go out of their way to avoid just that.
As far as my opinion on what bases the NOE hoard types are attacking, I am spot on. (per usual) The purpose of a NOE raid is to sneak in and capture a field. When picking a target base to sneak does one pick a) the base right next to a large nme dar bar and a lot of activity? No, that would be dumb. They will see the town flashing, and there is a good chance someone will investigate it and ruin the mission. Do you b) pick a target that is far from any nme dar bars with no nme activity near by so there is not much of a chance someone is looking at that sector on the map? Bingo! b) it is.
(duh. you trying to tell me you have flown aces high for as many years as you have and you don't know this stuff?)
I GUESS you could call wanting to improve the gameplay and the community "skulking". I am not sure why one would, and it is the wrong word choice, but hey, that hasn't stopped you so far so keep calling it skulking. Far be it for me to try and prevent you typing things that are incorrect and slightly 'nutty'. Keep it up. It seems to be a good "fit".
I also suppose it is my 'opinion' that if one has to work hard for something, it has more value. Perhaps you feel that things given to you for free or from little or no effort hold more value than that which you strove and worked for. That I guess could just be a diff. between the two of us. I know I remember the base captures that took hours and near Herculean effort which we finally captured after our 4-20th try much, MUCH more than the quick base steal where nobody tried to defend it. Again, that is my opinion, and as such I hold it to be true. You sir, can put value on things in whatever fashion you wish.
Considering that the style of gameplay I am speaking out against is also a style of gameplay that HiTech has sad was "bad" for the game, I don't quite understand what you are arguing with me about. Call Dale and explain to him how it is "the players $14.95 and they should be allowed to do whatever they so choose."
Let us all know how that conversation went...
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AND I will continue to reiterate til it sinks thru the ol noggin that even 20 to a port or vbase that is well defended MAY not be enough at times....
Can't agree with you more but the key word here is Defended. Considering the arena environment at the time. Considering the information available on radar I think it reasonable to have assumed there would be little defence.
There are crazy things like gvs, supplies and whats the floaty thing with deadly guns that can kill you (surrounded by other floaty things with deadly guns) from 5k plus and takes a crapload of ordinance to kill....oh yeah a CV...we Bish are not as adept at knowing where the enemy cvs are at all times as YOU seem to be...BTW the floaty thing can spawn planes like an airbase...FYI
Be careful here I may have to add you to the list of paranoid Bish. Yes I am adept at figuring out where Cv's are likely to be....grasp of the game and all that :)
Funny how you mentions CV's at ports within ten minutes of Belial posting about CV's. The fact of the matter the Cv wasn't there. This was and I'm assuming reported by the Bish that killed the ports radar some 15 to 20 min earlier. Let alone the dribs and drabs of Bish that had visited said port in the hour leading up to the attack. Funny also how this convenient side bar to the issue hasn't been brought up before. Perhaps because it was a known fact the CV wasn't there.
The way you, shawk, elk etc were typing on ch 200 sure made it seem as if there would be a stiff resistance at the time...it never panned out. Also the vbase in question had a friendly (rook) gv spawn into it and the rooks occupied the adjacent airfield.
I only made a comment after the Vbase was captured "If your giving it wtg for that capture you should be ashamed"...to quote. I saw the dar dots as I was RTB'ing. Like many others I was already in air committed. As previously stated not many are willing and rightly so to bail.
Well I hope this helps you put things into proper perspective...if not at least we can agree that you are so far committed into continuing this argument that you refuse to acknowledge the reality of field capture...perhaps you should take a tour as bish or knight to realize that this is NOT a bish or Thndregg issue...
SO my point remains that NOONE can arbiter what is overkill for a base capture because NOONE ever knows what the resistance will be...
If you were a 2 week newbie I would grant you the fact about not knowing what the resistance would be. However I don't in the least think this the case. How many 2 weekers muster a 20+ missions?Within 5 minutes of joining the arena it's easy to assess the situation couple that with known facts and good guess work you have a pretty good idea of things.
The REALITY of field capture isn't to over kill or to treat every base including ports as being armed to the teeth. This game would turn to watermelon if every mission or every capture attempt was to transgress to this ideology ....that's my whole point. Given the arena environment at the time. Given the known facts. Given that someone other than a 2 week newbie could guesstimate a given resistance at a given time I maintain that that was pure over kill on a port.
What do you actually think happens? You think rooks are sat in the tower waiting on the next Bish or Knight mission? You think 20+ plus wirlies were sat there at the port waiting for the attack that was big enough to take the adjacent field. Or do you have a REALISTIC acceptance that most players at any given time are in the Air / Gv'ing doing stuff.
Mark my words...if crap like this were to continue or worse still...expand. It will provoke the powers to be to protect their product which will have profound consequences on us all..... Think ENY think arena split.
Go have ya fun but get real.
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By posting this AAR I prove 1 man is as effective as 20.
Hardly ... a more appropriate word would be "lucky" instead of "effective" ... it was the 20 that really knocked the town down, you just took advantage of the rebuild time. If towns immediately re-genned at capture, no single person could every reverse a recent capture.
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Hardly ... a more appropriate word would be "lucky" instead of "effective" ... it was the 20 that really knocked the town down, you just took advantage of the rebuild time. If towns immediately re-genned at capture, no single person could every reverse a recent capture.
Luckely in reality the town stays down 45 minutes. Luckely I made use of the resources available to me. Luckely there was no adequate defence. Luckely they were do busy weaselling around doing 1 NOE after another....Luckely
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Yes, it's a tough line bruv and for that I make no apologies. (no offence intended)
However, in my opinion AH doesn't have any problems with it's current game play, sure a few things could be tidied up (feet dry spawning, being able to launch a million torpedoes in seconds etc).
If HTC had an issue with NOE then he could simply enable radar at all heights, if he had an issue with missions, he could delete the mission editor. I seem to remember that he isn't backwards in going forwards and will make changes as he sees fit.
All I see is whining from certain minority sections of the community about the way other sections of the community want to play. The players don't own the game and have no rights at all, none what so ever. HTC sets the rules and we play our game according to them, Period.
If the rules change then we either accept them and get on with it or we cancel our account and go elsewhere. (as I did with warbirds in 2002)
It's not tough to find a fight in the LW arenas, it's not tough to find something to bomb or to find another GV to slug it out with. When the knights or rooks organise a mission against bishops and take a field or two, I don't come on here and complain.
Frankly why should it be any ones business if Bishops use 20 aircraft to take a port ? If the opposing side wanted to keep it badly enough then they should have upped and defended it.
Anyway, that's my take on it.
Have fun and see you in those clear blue pixelated skies ;)
wipass
Dude...be carefull what you wish for HTC, as you rightly say, has a habit of changing things....think ENY / ARENA SPLITS.
As for "Frankly why should it be any ones business if Bishops use 20 aircraft to take a port ? If the opposing side wanted to keep it badly enough then they should have upped and defended it. " To have defended against that mission you would have had to have guys in tower ready to defend. Players play ...they don't sit about waiting.
As for some of your other comments I can only say ....Nintendo is a 1 time payment.... without any whining as you call it.
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Five pages of posts for one GAMEY capture.
As to the second and third account: Your defense of the claim and insult of paranoia speaks to your self-image (superiority). Dont worry you will be taken off your high horse soon enough.
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Five pages of posts for one GAMEY capture.
As to the second and third account: Your defense of the claim and insult of paranoia speaks to your self-image (superiority). Dont worry you will be taken off your high horse soon enough.
And patting oneself on the back. :D Then it turns into a NOE bashing thread. Same story different week. Wonder who will start it next week?
Fred
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This whole thread gives me flash backs of grade school :huh
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Five pages of posts for one GAMEY capture.
As to the second and third account: Your defense of the claim and insult of paranoia speaks to your self-image (superiority). Dont worry you will be taken off your high horse soon enough.
Clip clop clip clop......NEY. So you were referring indirectly to me. It'll take a better man than you Gunga Din. At least you recognise the 20+ capture as unorthodox. Which really is my whole point. No need for that kind of thing.
I must admit though I am superior in game than the paranoid ones. The ones that believe "assumption" are as good as hard facts. I am Superior in game than those that choose to believe and deal in rumours. Infact I must be Superior to some....why else would they be worried? Could it be they are inferior without a clue. Without a grasp of the game? It must be hard to the point of frustration for the paranoid to even fathom "how did he do that" :rolleyes: But of cause the paranoid never even bother to ask themselves that....after all they are fantastic people who can't be beat. So their assumptions are as good as words written in stone. :lol
Here's another example of cv detection that I forget to say last time round. If your ammo factory on a coast was being knocked out but the map showed no flashing of said factory, no dar bar .....what on earth could it be? A) The tooth fairy B) Santa Clause C) Snow white and the seven perverts....oops wrong title D) a dirty great big cv shelling the nuts outta the place.
If I put 2 shovels against a wall and ask you to take your pick....would that confuse you?
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If your ammo factory on a coast was being knocked out but the map showed no flashing of said factory, no dar bar .....what on earth could it be? A) The tooth fairy B) Santa Clause C) Snow white and the seven perverts....oops wrong title D) a dirty great big cv shelling the nuts outta the place.
ROFL.... :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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I must admit though I am superior in game than the paranoid ones. The ones that believe "assumption" are as good as hard facts. I am Superior in game than those that choose to believe and deal in rumours.
Just as I thought... your meds must be messing with your head.
Actually an ex-squadie of yours confessed your sins for you.
And anytime you think you can take me 1-on-1 lets do it. Just post the challenge. :D
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Sounds to me like we need to run some more large missions. In fact, I think we will just to make the ol' fan club happy.
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At least you recognise the 20+ capture as unorthodox. Which really is my whole point. No need for that kind of thing.
I think that statement sums up your feelings on the subject.
BUT, this has been going on for a week now!
While, I can understand your point of view on the capture in question, don't you think this has gone on long enough?
The reason I ask this is, it seems unusual to see you go off this bad for so long about what some might consider a trivial thing.
You normally have really funny , concise comments about things that bother you.
This thread however, seems to find you totally out of character.
Let it go.
Respectfully, :salute
Boner
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Just as I thought... your meds must be messing with your head.
Actually an ex-squadie of yours confessed your sins for you.
And anytime you think you can take me 1-on-1 lets do it. Just post the challenge. :D
if lynx doesn't take you up on this kind offer i'd love to DA you in a P51 challenge. I remember we had a private chat ages ago and I could do with sharpening up my pony skills. :salute
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lol Can't believe this debate has lasted this long. Dirt Farmers and pilots.... just be what you want to be in the game. All I need is one base to up from to find a fight.
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If your ammo factory on a coast was being knocked out but the map showed no flashing of said factory, no dar bar .....what on earth could it be? A) The tooth fairy B) Santa Clause C) Snow white and the seven perverts....oops wrong title D) a dirty great big cv shelling the nuts outta the place.
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Sig material :rofl
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If your ammo factory on a coast was being knocked out but the map showed no flashing of said factory, no dar bar .....what on earth could it be? A) The tooth fairy B) Santa Clause C) Snow white and the seven perverts....oops wrong title D) a dirty great big cv shelling the nuts outta the place.
Actually, if it's a CV group shelling the thing... it won't flash. ;)
If it'S flashing, it's most of the time NOE MilkLancs or occasionally someone in a PT trying to get vehicle bombing hit% score :)
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Do you have a graph with these statistics?
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Do you have a graph with these statistics?
Is he really Ross Perot?
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Do you have a graph with these statistics?
:rofl
No, it's just my experience :D
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:lol
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Just as I thought... your meds must be messing with your head.
Actually an ex-squadie of yours confessed your sins for you.
And anytime you think you can take me 1-on-1 lets do it. Just post the challenge. :D
Actually you Sir are not only wrong about your assumptions ....your are a complete lyre and or a twit. Please be my guest and inform me as to what was said and by whom. Remember the voices in your head and the pixie fairies can't be used as evidence I'm afraid....please do tell.
This'll be good.
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I think that statement sums up your feelings on the subject.
BUT, this has been going on for a week now!
While, I can understand your point of view on the capture in question, don't you think this has gone on long enough?
The reason I ask this is, it seems unusual to see you go off this bad for so long about what some might consider a trivial thing.
You normally have really funny , concise comments about things that bother you.
This thread however, seems to find you totally out of character.
Let it go.
Respectfully, :salute
Boner
Point taken Boner :salute but bear with me if Chalenge <apt name apart from the missing D> has the guts to present his evidence.
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lol Can't believe this debate has lasted this long. Dirt Farmers and pilots.... just be what you want to be in the game. All I need is one base to up from to find a fight.
That's the thing about Lynx, he is quite good at being both (and he has an eeery resemblance to Professor Dumbledore :lol) He's the only guy I've seen in 9-10 or so years of playing this game who makes the strat/base capture side seem fun and exciting. If there are 20 whordelings coming, he's the only guy I can think of who can make me think 3-4 of us can defeat them, and that it's a worthwhile task, we need more blokes like him :aok.
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Actually you Sir are not only wrong about your assumptions ....your are a complete lyre and or a twit. Please be my guest and inform me as to what was said and by whom. Remember the voices in your head and the pixie fairies can't be used as evidence I'm afraid....please do tell.
Now you sound like the steroid using sports figures denying charges... get over yourself.
If you cant settle it like a gentleman then you arent a gentlemen. Simple.
Have a nice day.
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Now you sound like the steroid using sports figures denying charges... get over yourself.
If you cant settle it like a gentleman then you arent a gentlemen. Simple.
Have a nice day.
Pretty much as I suspected... unfounded, gutless, lying TWIT.
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Look here Lynx. Its hearsay. Its pretty much tossed about all the time. Here are the details that I know of.
Your ex-squaddie spoke up on bish and told us what you were doing. That it is known full well in your squad. Then this fellow proceeded to 'taunt' you with some little tidbits on bish channel 2. Then with one jab on 200 you went nuts confirming you could 'read' channel 2 of Bish.
I also was once engaged with you in a CV fight when the range to the enemy cruiser 22k was called out on open channel. Your first shot in response killed our cruiser. I accept that as circumstantial evidence the first time. Not even you use cruiser guns enough to make that work two three or four times. I believe only two people online are even capable of it and you are not one of them.
Now before you call me a liar again I suggest you straighten your self up get off what ever nuisance drug your on. You are obviously not yourself. Given the common definition of 'twit' being a 'taunt' I accept that and you deserve the king title of TWIT and so you fully know one when you see/read one.
I also offered you a 1-on-1 combat session which you ignored. Fine. I accept your not man enough to take your lickings and we all know a true gentleman would settle it like a man. I will not offer again. I accept now that you are nothing more than a boastful braggart.
Have a nice day.
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NOE, hording, furballing, picking, hording, BnZing, TnBing; who cares?
It is the ceaseless personal attacks which will destroy the AH community long before anything else does (and I'm not referring to the playful banter).
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Look here Lynx. Its hearsay. Its pretty much tossed about all the time. Here are the details that I know of.
Your ex-squaddie spoke up on bish and told us what you were doing. That it is known full well in your squad. Then this fellow proceeded to 'taunt' you with some little tidbits on bish channel 2. Then with one jab on 200 you went nuts confirming you could 'read' channel 2 of Bish.
I also was once engaged with you in a CV fight when the range to the enemy cruiser 22k was called out on open channel. Your first shot in response killed our cruiser. I accept that as circumstantial evidence the first time. Not even you use cruiser guns enough to make that work two three or four times. I believe only two people online are even capable of it and you are not one of them.
Now before you call me a liar again I suggest you straighten your self up get off what ever nuisance drug your on. You are obviously not yourself. Given the common definition of 'twit' being a 'taunt' I accept that and you deserve the king title of TWIT and so you fully know one when you see/read one.
I also offered you a 1-on-1 combat session which you ignored. Fine. I accept your not man enough to take your lickings and we all know a true gentleman would settle it like a man. I will not offer again. I accept now that you are nothing more than a boastful braggart.
Have a nice day.
Seriously, you say hes on drugs.
when you are saying hes not a man over a game? Wake up, the real world is calling and a life is waiting for you.
making a personal attack on someone like that?
Get a grip man. As its ben said a million times before. "ITS A DAMN GAME".
k thx
i like turtles
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oops, double post
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oh! this is priceless
Look here Lynx. Its hearsay. Its pretty much tossed about all the time. Here are the details that I know of.
Half your post is HEARSAY :rofl
Ya can't use hearsay you twit. That's like he said, she said and I said but they wasn't there when it happened. It's crap. Its rumour. Its twitterings from twits and there's no bigger twit than the twit that believes the twit ...you twit.
This bit really got me. Didn't know when to stop laughing and call out the big white ambulance.
I also was once engaged with you in a CV fight when the range to the enemy cruiser 22k was called out on open channel. Your first shot in response killed our cruiser. I accept that as circumstantial evidence the first time. Not even you use cruiser guns enough to make that work two three or four times. I believe only two people online are even capable of it and you are not one of them.
Christ sake man....get a grip. Look mate this is so dilusionary paranoid you best ...well I don't know. Seek help perhaps.
Lets take stock a minute. You knew it was me in the 8 inch at 22k away...intuition? the voices? what? Are you even sure I was on line at the time let alone anywhere near your side of the map :lol
So now you are the definitive judge as to who's good in this that or the other? Your an expert on this because...what?
This load of tosh is what spawns the paranoia. You Sir don't know bugger all. You and your ilk refuse to use or are incapable of reasonable thought. You jump to conclusions and spread your assumptions and collective twitterings about the place. Your a darn fool that deserves, as previously post, your rightfull place on the list of paranoid Bish.
Spending 5 minutes kicking your sorry arse about the DA isn't going to retract your words as posted here. It isn't going to change the paranoid perception you perpetuate. And I'm to bother myself by spending 5 minutes alone with a loon.....yer sounds real entertaining.
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There must be some truth to it all or you wouldnt spend so much time responding to... as you claim... hearsay and lies and then dishing out ridiculous insult to make yourself feel better somehow. All your chest thumping is for nothing. You failed to step up to the plate and all that bragging only brings down your rep further.
You forget all the times you and I have fought online. The only fight you have won is from the air while I was in a GV. Sad really. Feel free to carry on with the routine as usual but dont expect everyone to buy it.
Be seeing you.
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It's kinda fun watching an internet purse fight where I really don't care for either internet persona.
But Del is right, no amount of dweebery will turn people off to this game as fast as huge egos will.
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There must be some truth to it all or you wouldnt spend so much time responding to.
Which pretty much sums up your whole allegation....even more die hard speculation.
You have accused me of having 2 and 3 accounts to protect my Cv's and have yours sunk. You neglect the fact that if I were to have another account every Bish NOE would be busted before it got to Rook target....funny that a guy with 2 accounts wouldn't do that. Not only is your hypothesise wrong you neglect that it's flawed. Further more in my previous replies where I tell you how easy it is to find a CV ....if you have a grasp of the game. You conveniently ignore the FACTS of the matter and insist on perpetuating myths, rumours, speculation and darn right lies. So we're left with working out why this would be. Could it actually be that you and yours haven't a clue? Lack the brain power to think about the possabilities? Have so grandiose thoughts of your abilities that you must be right 100% of the time? Heaven forbid if anyone so much as hinted at FACTS because it would leave your unfounded speculations and assumptions floundering. :rolleyes: Conveniently again you and your ilk dismiss the possibility that someone else, other than you, is actually better at the game...again... funny that ain't it
Then you have the smartest wisdom to quote a quote from a quote of a quote, that if there was any possible truth that someone actually said it ....it was probably said by a twit with a grudge. Nothing you have quoted is anywhere near substantiated. Speculation, rumour, lies is all you and your ilk deal in. You probably do this for one of the reasons above....I speculate :lol
[You forget all the times you and I have fought online. The only fight you have won is from the air while I was in a GV. Sad really. Feel free to carry on with the routine as usual but dont expect everyone to buy it.
I actually bought into this. I have no idea who you are or what your game play consists of so I looked you up on the score boards. To reiterate I HAD to do that because I have no conceptions as to who you are. The reason for that become obvious when checked. You spend 3/4 of your time fighting the Knights. It seems your a little preoccupied elsewhere on the map to have run into me. If you have I would speculate I've seen more of your P51's tail gunner than the business end. It's also a bit :uhoh that you know you've fought me but not I you. Seems a little disturbing that.
In closing I reccommend 3 things...
1) if your to throw allegations about get or deal in the facts.
2) have a word with Bomber11...through the grape vine (200)it's my understand that he or someone he knows made complaints to HTC. Ask what the response was.
3) make your own complaint to HTC.
I've said it a few times...I challenge anyone to complain about me. I challenge anyone to film. I have no objections of being checked out by the powers to be. I welcome thier results to be published right here.
Unfounded speculation. Assumptions born out of ignorance. Malice and lies. These are all the trade marks of what I call the paranoid......welcome to that club Chalenge.