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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: daddog on April 18, 2009, 05:55:03 PM
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MB - Gigbyte GA-EP45T-UD3P
CPU - Q8200
Memory - 3 Gigs
All on Mwave for about $360
My question is what Vid card would you get with this? I have about $200 max I can spend on the Vid card.
I thought long and hard about a Shuttle system and llama was very helpful as I looked into them, but I decided on a desktop system.
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4850/4870
you can find them for 130-150 .. take the extra 50.00-80.00 and get yourself a 8400/8500 instead of the E8200
and your probably gonna want to get 4 GIGs to keep the dual channel unless your gonna get 2 x 1 gig and 2 x 512 meg
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Well an important question is: What PSU do you have?
Would hate to get a GPU that can't be powered. Although from those specs it sounds like the PSU sound be good, but we gotta be sure.
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4850/4870
you can find them for 130-150 .. take the extra 50.00-80.00 and get yourself a 8400/8500 instead of the E8200
and your probably gonna want to get 4 GIGs to keep the dual channel unless your gonna get 2 x 1 gig and 2 x 512 meg
I may rather have the quad.
shamus
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well i would go with the Q6600 if i was to go with a Quad, (twice the cache then the Q8200) .. but the E8400 performs on par with the Q6600 and overclocks way higher, and out performes the Q8200 in gaming.
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you can find them for 130-150 .. take the extra 50.00-80.00 and get yourself a 8400/8500 instead of the E8200
I was told the $ would be better spent on a Vid card than the CPU. That the E8200 would carry me for a while with a good vid card.
Power supply will be 500w or better.
I will be using XP so is it not a waist to get more than 3 gigs?
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I was told the $ would be better spent on a Vid card than the CPU. That the E8200 would carry me for a while with a good vid card.
Power supply will be 500w or better.
I will be using XP so is it not a waist to get more than 3 gigs?
Wait, do you have the "E"8200 or "Q"8200? Both are good.
PSU 500watt is a little low, but if hopefully it has good Amperage on the 12V rail. Go for the "or better" :D
XP can only see 3.25GB or so, but having 3GB (3x 1GB sticks) will eliminate Dual-channel, which is faster.
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You can always do 2x1gb and 2x512mb for 3gb.
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getting 4 gigs will give the system resources more room to put things. giving you like 3.25 gigs on average of memory, a 1 gig video card will leave you less. but if you decide to go with 3 then make sure you keep the dual channel, running single channel memory will give you perfermance hits.
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You can always do 2x1gb and 2x512mb for 3gb.
was already stated above for 3 gig configuration
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First of all it doesn't matter as much how many watts your PSU has as much as how many amps it sends down the 12V rails and both these numbers can be manufactured. Look for an 80+ certified PSU putting out at least 30 amps on the 12V rails. You can combine amps across multiple rails. It's pretty easy to see if the numbers are being fudged; Watts = volts x amps x efficiency.
Also make sure the PSU you buy has the appropriate connectors for what you buy today and what you might be dreaming about for tomorrow. Most modern (good) video cards requie a 6 pin connector but some need both 6 and 8 pin connectors.
Second the E8400/8500 are better gaming CPU's than almost any of the quad cores including the 920 I7 in most cases. On the other hand the quad cores kick the Core2Duos all over the map in everything else given similar bus speeds and caches. A 1066 FSB quad isn't going to kick a 1333 FSB E8400/8500 around but a 1333 quad core or any I7 will.
Aces High specifically is more CPU than GPU dependent so, if this is the primary game you play then a stonger CPU is preferable. If you play other games more than you do this one then a stonger GPU may be advisable.
Third, make sure that no matter what you do you buy RAM in matched pairs (DDR2) otherwise you're just halving the RAM bandwidth by automatically disabling dual data rate. If you are running 32 bit XP you will not see more than a maximum of 3.5 Gb of RAM. Your video card, motherboard and peripherals (even empty USB ports) will all eat into the amount of addressable RAM available to the system. For instance, I have 4 Gb of RAM and a 512 video card and Windows only recognizes 2.75 Gb of useable system RAM. When I had two of these video cards Windows only saw 2.25 Gb of RAM. Furthermore, no single 32 bit application can use more than 2 Gb of RAM.
All of that said, I'd go with at least 600W on the PSU, 80+ certified with a lot of 12V amps, a 1333 FSB Intel CPU as a minimum and anything from an Nvidia 9600 GT up to a 9800 GTS+ depending on your budget. If you've already bought the Q8200 then work on the PSU and fit the card into your budget. I'd also stick to 2 Gb of RAM unless you're planning on running Vista or a 64 bit OS or just have $ to spend.
Sorry for any typos. I always mess up on my laptop keyboard.
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NV9800GTX+
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[/quoute Second the E8400/8500 are better gaming CPU's than almost any of the quad cores including the 920 I7 in most cases. On the other hand the quad cores kick the Core2Duos all over the map in everything else given similar bus speeds and caches. A 1066 FSB quad isn't going to kick a 1333 FSB E8400/8500 around but a 1333 quad core or any I7 will. /quote]
even though the Q8200 is a 1333FBS CPU its only 2.33mhz
the Q6600 a 1066 CPU will hold its own against it also has twice as much cache
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NV9800GTX+
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Heres a quote from the conclusion of a review against the 9800GTX+ and 4850 ..
"The Radeon HD 4850 continues to be a better buy than NVIDIA's GeForce
9800 GTX, even if both are priced at $199. The overclocked, 55nm 9800 GTX+ manages to barely outperform the 4850 in a few titles, but loses by a larger margin in others, so for the most part it isn't competitive enough to justify the extra $30. The 4850 also uses significantly less power than the 9800 GTX+, and AMD
was quick to point out that by the time the 9800 GTX+ ships that it will also have factory overclocked 4850s. That should make things even more interesting, because honestly, a factory overclocked Radeon HD 4850 is far more attractive to us than an overclocked GTX+.
In a little over 12 hours we'll be able to complete the story with a full look at AMD's RV770 GPU and the Radeon HD 4870, so for a full, detailed performance analysis
come back then. Until then, in short, the 9800 GTX+ doesn't really change anything for NVIDIA. " This doesnt sound good for nVidia. Theyll have to reduce pricing, or find that rabbit and their ......hat
the prices have changed since the review but you get the idea
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You do realize that the review was written on pre-production models? That would make it almost obsolete by now.
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I don't fancy them Radeons too much... but then again I've heard that some people are satisfied with theirs. YMMV ;)
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the prices have changed since the review but you get the idea
The fact that prices have changed totally invalidates a "best bang for the buck" review but thanks for posting anyway.
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the 4850 today is still better then the 9800GTX+ .. the 4870 is a better choice
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Placed my order today. All from mwave.com :)
MB - Gigabyte GA-EP45T
CPU - Intel Core 2 DUO E8500 socket 775
Memory - 6 gigs
Vidcard - GeForce GTX 260
Case - HEC Black midtower with 585w power supply
The HEC case is the only unknown. Crossing my fingers it will be a worthwhile case and I will not have any problems with the power supply.
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Placed my order today. All from mwave.com :)
Memory - 6 gigs
I hope you did not get Tri-Channel memory
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Said nothing about tri channel. What is that?
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Said nothing about tri channel. What is that?
It's not for that system. Make sure it's not DDR3. DDR3 is installed in 3s, 3 x 1 gig sticks, and DDR2 is installed in pairs, 2 x 1 gig strips or 2 x 2 gig strips. So for 6 gigs it is likely you have 3 x 2 gigs of ddr3. However, it may be you have 2 x 2 gigs and 2 x 1 gig sticks. But 6 gigs is an unusual number for ddr2 and not unusual for ddr3.
Addendum: What power supply is that?
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Please post the link to the memory your purchased so we can take a look.
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I don't see the link to it any more, at least to that specific MB. Crossing my fingers they will not be out of stock.
My print out from mwave.com says:
Gigabyte GA-EP45T-UD3P Intel p45 + ich10r chipset ATX form factor 1xzPCI-E(x16)/3xpci/4xddr3 w/sata2 raid, lan(gb) 1394,usb2.0 cpu intel socket 775
DUO E8500 3.16G (1333Mhz)= Kingston 6GB DDR3=(2GBx3)
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I don't see the link to it any more, at least to that specific MB. Crossing my fingers they will not be out of stock.
My print out from mwave.com says:
Gigabyte GA-EP45T-UD3P Intel p45 + ich10r chipset ATX form factor 1xzPCI-E(x16)/3xpci/4xddr3 w/sata2 raid, lan(gb) 1394,usb2.0 cpu intel socket 775
DUO E8500 3.16G (1333Mhz)= Kingston 6GB DDR3=(2GBx3)
Uhg, cancel the memory. It's for a different chip, the Core I7.
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I don't see the link to it any more, at least to that specific MB. Crossing my fingers they will not be out of stock.
My print out from mwave.com says:
Gigabyte GA-EP45T-UD3P Intel p45 + ich10r chipset ATX form factor 1xzPCI-E(x16)/3xpci/4xddr3 w/sata2 raid, lan(gb) 1394,usb2.0 cpu intel socket 775
DUO E8500 3.16G (1333Mhz)= Kingston 6GB DDR3=(2GBx3)
Yep thats Tri-Channel mem your seeing 4GB of DDR3 2 x 2GB fastest you can afford
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the 4850 today is still better then the 9800GTX+ .. the 4870 is a better choice
Death... the 4870 is NOT a good card for any flight sim. Its fine if you are proud of owning one and even if Nvidia has user 'issues' (repackaged cards or needless audio drivers) its still the better card for flight sims.
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Death... the 4870 is NOT a good card for any flight sim. Its fine if you are proud of owning one and even if Nvidia has user 'issues' (repackaged cards or needless audio drivers) its still the better card for flight sims.
it was me not death .. and i am dont know how you can compare the two in just about every review i have seen the 4850 beats the 9800GTX+ and the 4870 is a better then the 4850. someone have anything to back that up or support or deprove whats been shown in the reviews?
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Well, he's going to have to run DDR3 memory with this board: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128369 as that's the supported memory standard.
The funny thing about it is that the slots are in pairs. :huh Seems like a waste to run DDR3 in dual channel mode.
I guess I'd stick with 4 Gb max (2x2Gb or 4x1Gb) on that board. If you are getting 6Gb then get 2x2Gb + 2x1Gb. The 2Gb chips go in the same colored slots as do the 1Gb chips.
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Well, he's going to have to run DDR3 memory with this board: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128369 as that's the supported memory standard.
The funny thing about it is that the slots are in pairs. :huh Seems like a waste to run DDR3 in dual channel mode.
I guess I'd stick with 4 Gb max (2x2Gb or 4x1Gb) on that board. If you are getting 6Gb then get 2x2Gb + 2x1Gb. The 2Gb chips go in the same colored slots as do the 1Gb chips.
Maybe I'm lost here, but isn't the ddr3 set up differently physically. I mean the notch for alignment on the ddr3 is located differently than the notch for ddr2. That being said it shouldn't fit that board.
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Maybe I'm lost here, but isn't the ddr3 set up differently physically. I mean the notch for alignment on the ddr3 is located differently than the notch for ddr2. That being said it shouldn't fit that board.
Yes DDR3 is notched different then DDR2. DDR3 (1.9v) and DDR3 Tri-Channel (1.65 ~ 1.7v) is also notched differently. The poster ordered DDR3 2GB x 3 = 6GB . This memory will not on this board. The notch is not gonna fit correctly. Eagle there is no reason NOT to run DDR3 Dual Channel on this board. Some Reaper or Platinum will dial the board in at 1600+ FSB. The boards upper DDR3 mem rating is over 2200MHz, but the highest mem made currently is 2000MHz.
I also have concerns with the PSU choice, this is a High volt/amp video card, high volt mem, higher volt CPU, and I know the board is power hungry having used this board in a lot of builds. I hope the system works out for the builder.
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well i would go with the Q6600 if i was to go with a Quad, (twice the cache then the Q8200)
The Q6600's are not longer in production. If you can not hand pick one then stay away. If you can look at the box prior to purchase then you need a G0 (G ZERO ) series. If no G0 is available then its not worth it. As the supply for the G0 start becoming low, the pricing goes up. 6 months ago a Q6600 G0 was able to be had for about 140.00 now they are in the 250 range for a guaranteed G0.
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Yes DDR3 is notched different then DDR2. DDR3 (1.9v) and DDR3 Tri-Channel (1.65 ~ 1.7v) is also notched differently. The poster ordered DDR3 2GB x 3 = 6GB . This memory will not on this board. The notch is not gonna fit correctly. Eagle there is no reason NOT to run DDR3 Dual Channel on this board. Some Reaper or Platinum will dial the board in at 1600+ FSB. The boards upper DDR3 mem rating is over 2200MHz, but the highest mem made currently is 2000MHz.
I also have concerns with the PSU choice, this is a High volt/amp video card, high volt mem, higher volt CPU, and I know the board is power hungry having used this board in a lot of builds. I hope the system works out for the builder.
I brought up the concern about the PSU before. If I've learned just one thing from Skuzzy it's the importance of power supplies. Putting a marginal power supply in an other wise top notch computer is like installing a lawnmower engine in a BMW.
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I brought up the concern about the PSU before. If I've learned just one thing from Skuzzy it's the importance of power supplies. Putting a marginal power supply in an other wise top notch computer is like installing a lawnmower engine in a BMW.
Yep. I have friends that will want my advice and go against it, only to piss and moan later. I mock them constantly. Buying a cheap PSU on any build is money wasted.
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So you guys think that memory will actually not fit in that MB??? This would greatly surprise me because on mwave if you go with motherboard bundles you can select a MB, CPU, and memory to go with it. They then assemble it and test it for free. I assumed the memory would go with that MB as it was one of the drop down choices for that MB.
As far as the power supply I may set that case/power supply for my daughter as she might get my left overs and then just get another. I know power supplies could cause some real problems.
What case with power supply would you suggest for that MB?
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So you guys think that memory will actually not fit in that MB??? This would greatly surprise me because on mwave if you go with motherboard bundles you can select a MB, CPU, and memory to go with it. They then assemble it and test it for free. I assumed the memory would go with that MB as it was one of the drop down choices for that MB.
As far as the power supply I may set that case/power supply for my daughter as she might get my left overs and then just get another. I know power supplies could cause some real problems.
What case with power supply would you suggest for that MB?
I'm just not sure about that memory. Do you have a link to this combo. I only know there's a difference in fit.
As far as combos, case and ps, I don't know. I like PC Power & Cooling power supplies. Tildeath adds OCZ PS to his list and I can accept that. He knows what he's doing. What I would look at is he Antec 900 or the NZXT
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146047 NZXT case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021 Antec 900
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703009 PC Power & Cooling PS
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Eagle there is no reason NOT to run DDR3 Dual Channel on this board.
That's why I recommended dual channel memory configurations.
What I was trying to say was, if you're going to buy a DDR3 board then why buy one that doesn't support triple channel? If it's only going to run dual channel anyway just save the $ and buy a dual channel board supporting (cheaper) DDR2.
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Core 2 Duo cpu/MB's do not support TRIPLE channel, but some of the newer MB's for C2D do support DDR3 in DUAL channel. I didn't check the specs on that MB but from what others have said it supports DD3. If that is true, then triple channel DD3 will work BUT:
1 - If you insert an odd total number of sticks (1,3,5) it will only run in single channel - unless of course it is an i7 setup. Preferably you should insert even numbers (2,4,6) for it to run in dual channel.
2 - The voltage limits for triple channel DDR3 are generally lower than dual channel DDR3. Make sure you don't send too much juice to em.
EDIT: All things considered, even tho the Triple channel will plug in, you are probably better off to go with Dual Channel.
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Core 2 Duo cpu/MB's do not support TRIPLE channel, but some of the newer MB's for C2D do support DDR3 in DUAL channel. I didn't check the specs on that MB but from what others have said it supports DD3. If that is true, then triple channel DD3 will work BUT:
1 - If you insert an odd total number of sticks (1,3,5) it will only run in single channel - unless of course it is an i7 setup. Preferably you should insert even numbers (2,4,6) for it to run in dual channel.
2 - The voltage limits for triple channel DDR3 are generally lower than dual channel DDR3. Make sure you don't send too much juice to em.
EDIT: All things considered, even tho the Triple channel will plug in, you are probably better off to go with Dual Channel.
DDR3 Tri Channel and DDR3 dual channel... it will not work properly. You will have problems because of the Voltage difference.
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I'm just not sure about that memory. Do you have a link to this combo. I only know there's a difference in fit.
As far as combos, case and ps, I don't know. I like PC Power & Cooling power supplies. Tildeath adds OCZ PS to his list and I can accept that. He knows what he's doing. What I would look at is he Antec 900 or the NZXT
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146047 NZXT case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021 Antec 900
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703009 PC Power & Cooling PS
I agree with the parts here other then the Antec :eek: to much money for what you get. I can save you some monies on the OCZ or PC P & C or OCZ PSU's
Seems like your trying to do a cross between a budget build and higher end which is ok. But your cutting corners in the most important places.
For the MB you ordered Tempest Case, OCZ or PC P&C 600watt or more PSU, Video card fine, HSF OCZ Vendetta 2 (not vendetta) memory OCZ Reaper or Platinum DDR3 2 x 2GB 4GB total HD WD6401AALS then any flavor of processor (775 socket) you want.
I can save you monies on all the OCZ and PC P&C products. I too have the same rebate on the PSU or this OCZ 700watt for 105 less 20 rebate. Memory you will want 1600 to 1800 MHz Pricing for 4Gb will be from about 60 to 90 depending on if its reaper, platinum, gold, and the memory speed.
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I agree with the parts here other then the Antec :eek: to much money for what you get. I can save you some monies on the OCZ or PC P & C or OCZ PSU's
Seems like your trying to do a cross between a budget build and higher end which is ok. But your cutting corners in the most important places.
For the MB you ordered Tempest Case, OCZ or PC P&C 600watt or more PSU, Video card fine, HSF OCZ Vendetta 2 (not vendetta) memory OCZ Reaper or Platinum DDR3 2 x 2GB 4GB total HD WD6401AALS then any flavor of processor (775 socket) you want.
I can save you monies on all the OCZ and PC P&C products. I too have the same rebate on the PSU or this OCZ 700watt for 105 less 20 rebate. Memory you will want 1600 to 1800 MHz Pricing for 4Gb will be from about 60 to 90 depending on if its reaper, platinum, gold, and the memory speed.
NZXT is fine by me. The only real preferences I have right now are for an intel chip, e8400 and e8500 or Core I7 and PC Power & Cooling PS. Those items I trust. After that I'm pretty much open although I do tilt towards ATI for a video card. Still even there I'm debatable. I use an Antec 900 for one of my computers and am quite happy with it. Although I do think that NZXT case is very nice and very very affordable. I have another case, Cooler Master that does the job but I hate the placement and the function of the power switch. It's awkward.
I think the key term is Right now. Everything changes.
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NZXT is fine by me. The only real preferences I have right now are for an intel chip, e8400 and e8500 or Core I7 and ...
I am buildin a box for myself i7 920 ASUS Rampage II Extreme 6GB OCZ 2000MHz Blades Raptors and two GTX260's... we will see what we can get out of this pig. bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
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I am buildin a box for myself i7 920 ASUS Rampage II Extreme 6GB OCZ 2000MHz Blades Raptors and two GTX260's... we will see what we can get out of this pig. bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
Save the results for a 24/7 machine. Let us know. :salute
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I am buildin a box for myself i7 920 ASUS Rampage II Extreme 6GB OCZ 2000MHz Blades Raptors and two GTX260's... we will see what we can get out of this pig. bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
You'll get a bunch of screen tearing unless your using a CRT. Have fun.
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You'll get a bunch of screen tearing unless your using a CRT. Have fun.
That's right, you went down this road. It was the vsync correct? Couldn't be used in SLI if I remember correctly.
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That's right, you went down this road. It was the vsync correct? Couldn't be used in SLI if I remember correctly.
Yep.
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DDR3 (1.9v) and DDR3 Tri-Channel (1.65 ~ 1.7v) is also notched differently. The notch is not gonna fit correctly.
DDR3 Tri Channel and DDR3 dual channel... it will not work properly. You will have problems because of the Voltage difference.
I'm confused here. Which one is it; it is notched differently and won't fit on the MB, or it will not work properly?
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I'm confused here. Which one is it; it is notched differently and won't fit on the MB, or it will not work properly?
I stand corrected the DDR3 Dual and the DDR3 Tri are notched the same. But you will have problems with the voltages for sure. 1.7 max on the Tri Channel and mininum of 1.9 on the DDR3 Dual channel
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You'll get a bunch of screen tearing unless your using a CRT. Have fun.
No problems in SLI or TRI SLI using ACER X221W flat panels. Folks have bought boxes from me and are running SLI and no problems.
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I stand corrected the DDR3 Dual and the DDR3 Tri are notched the same. But you will have problems with the voltages for sure. 1.7 max on the Tri Channel and mininum of 1.9 on the DDR3 Dual channel
Got it. I suppose there is the problem of dual channel MB's not having low enough voltage settings?
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I stand corrected the DDR3 Dual and the DDR3 Tri are notched the same. But you will have problems with the voltages for sure. 1.7 max on the Tri Channel and mininum of 1.9 on the DDR3 Dual channel
Learned something here. Never realized that a 775 board supported DDR3. In fact I didn't know that DDR3 came in dual channel mode. I figured that memory was matched only for the i7. However, when I looked for the voltage out put on the mb of dadog I didn't see the specs. Well not on Newegg anyway.
Boy this gets confusing. :lol
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Learned something here. Never realized that a 775 board supported DDR3. In fact I didn't know that DDR3 came in dual channel mode. I figured that memory was matched only for the i7. However, when I looked for the voltage out put on the mb of dadog I didn't see the specs. Well not on Newegg anyway.
Boy this gets confusing. :lol
The Gigbyte GA-EP45T-UD3P is a socket 775 board. It accepts memory to 2200 / 1600 / 1333 /1066 / 800 The FSB states 1600 max but I have pushed this to over 1800 without incident. My thoughts with the memory chosen is that it is Tri Channel DDR3 meaning "low voltage", if he runs it at 1066 or 1333 there may not be a problem, but anything over that even with manually setting the volts and timings, I think the memory will have a short life.
EDIT: The Gigbyte GA-EP45-UD3P is a DDR2 board
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The Gigbyte GA-EP45T-UD3P is a socket 775 board. It accepts memory to 2200 / 1600 / 1333 /1066 / 800 The FSB states 1600 max but I have pushed this to over 1800 without incident. My thoughts with the memory chosen is that it is Tri Channel DDR3 meaning "low voltage", if he runs it at 1066 or 1333 there may not be a problem, but anything over that even with manually setting the volts and timings, I think the memory will have a short life.
EDIT: The Gigbyte GA-EP45-UD3P is a DDR2 board
Ah rgr, Still though was surprised that a 775 board supported ddr3. I was looking at a different gigabyte board that had the same model # except for the last 4.
The real funny thing was that I was going to recommend Windows XP 32 bit OS and then realized that Windows 32 bit only supports up to 3.5 gigs of ram.
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The real funny thing was that I was going to recommend Windows XP 32 bit OS and then realized that Windows 32 bit only supports up to 3.5 gigs of ram.
Is that a problem? I've never run into a situation so far where I would have needed more than that in gaming use.
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Is that a problem? I've never run into a situation so far where I would have needed more than that in gaming use.
I don't know now that you mention it. I know he has 6 gigs of ddr3 ram over 3 slots. I assumed he wanted it all to show up. However, I guess the real question is can you use ddr3 with a 32bit os.
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I don't know now that you mention it. I know he has 6 gigs of ddr3 ram over 3 slots. I assumed he wanted it all to show up. However, I guess the real question is can you use ddr3 with a 32bit os.
so would DDR3 be faster then DDR2 in dual channel mode?
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I don't know now that you mention it. I know he has 6 gigs of ddr3 ram over 3 slots. I assumed he wanted it all to show up. However, I guess the real question is can you use ddr3 with a 32bit os.
More sensible would be to use 3x1Gb modules. x64 is inevitably trouble still at the moment. I've used w7 x64 for a few months now and while it's the best OS I've tried in some ways, compatability wise it's one of the worst. Many many things just won't work, including my brand new HP color laser printer.
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I am working on the system now. Everything arrived in short order. I will let you guys know how it turned out.
I went with the 6 gig memory thinking that in the future I might upgrade the OS, but for now I am just using XP.
The exact MB I bought
GIGABYTE GA-EP45T-UD3P supports DDR3 memory.
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I am working on the system now. Everything arrived in short order. I will let you guys know how it turned out.
I went with the 6 gig memory thinking that in the future I might upgrade the OS, but for now I am just using XP.
The exact MB I bought
GIGABYTE GA-EP45T-UD3P supports DDR3 memory.
If I recall this is TriChannel Memory. This memory in its own settings on the chips, looks to the CPU rather then the NB for its control. So the NB is gonna be taking to the memory and the memory is gonna say something like "your a stranger, I don't know you, go away before I tell my mommy your a bad chipset". In other words, I would call Gigabyte and the memory maker and tell then what your intending, using DDR3 Tri Channel on a vinella DDR3 board. If I am thinking right this will last 90 days or less before MB issues, Memory issues. If it is OCZ memory it will record the highest voltage and store it on the chip. If the voltage is over 1.7 your warranty is kaput, not so sure about the BIOS on the GB MB, but if it has a similar storage that warranty is gone too. My buc two fifty input
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If I recall this is TriChannel Memory. This memory in its own settings on the chips, looks to the CPU rather then the NB for its control. So the NB is gonna be taking to the memory and the memory is gonna say something like "your a stranger, I don't know you, go away before I tell my mommy your a bad chipset". In other words, I would call Gigabyte and the memory maker and tell then what your intending, using DDR3 Tri Channel on a vinella DDR3 board. If I am thinking right this will last 90 days or less before MB issues, Memory issues. If it is OCZ memory it will record the highest voltage and store it on the chip. If the voltage is over 1.7 your warranty is kaput, not so sure about the BIOS on the GB MB, but if it has a similar storage that warranty is gone too. My buc two fifty input
Tildeath, what happens if you use a 32bit OS with 6 gigs of DDR3? Will it be able to operate?
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Tildeath, what happens if you use a 32bit OS with 6 gigs of DDR3? Will it be able to operate?
Yes, all my i7s have 6 gig some 32 and some 64bit
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Yes, all my i7s have 6 gig some 32 and some 64bit
ah rgr, I thought maybe it might but still, I wondered because of the new type of memory and the fact it linked over 3 slots.
So, any testing on which OS, 32 or 64, is better under that arrangement?
Forgive me, but I love to pick brains.
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ah rgr, I thought maybe it might but still, I wondered because of the new type of memory and the fact it linked over 3 slots.
So, any testing on which OS, 32 or 64, is better under that arrangement?
Forgive me, but I love to pick brains.
nope I didn't. Don't have the time
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New here....
Currently have a DELL XPS 2.8ghz, 512mb ram ATI Radeon 9800. It's an older machine and can't afford to upgrade much so thought to start with buying ram.
How much RAM is sufficient to make in-flight fighting smooth?
Sorry, I posted in this thread since it is semi-relevant.
Thanks,
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New here....
Currently have a DELL XPS 2.8ghz, 512mb ram ATI Radeon 9800. It's an older machine and can't afford to upgrade much so thought to start with buying ram.
How much RAM is sufficient to make in-flight fighting smooth?
Sorry, I posted in this thread since it is semi-relevant.
Thanks,
Assuming you're running XP or Vista put in 2 Gb. If you're running 98 or 98SE they don't really like more than 512 Mb.
You might also be able to turn up the video aperture in the BIOS which will add some virtual memory to your video card.
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Assuming you're running XP or Vista put in 2 Gb. If you're running 98 or 98SE they don't really like more than 512 Mb.
You might also be able to turn up the video aperture in the BIOS which will add some virtual memory to your video card.
XP.. . Sweet, I'll google the video aperture thing to learn more. And buy that much more ram :)
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XP.. . Sweet, I'll google the video aperture thing to learn more. And buy that much more ram :)
If you have DDR2 RAM you'll want to buy it in matched pairs to maintain dual channel speeds. If it's SDRAM then it won't matter.
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Got to the store today, brought along one of my memory sticks, found out it was DDR, not DDR2.
Oh well, upgraded anyway to 3 gigs new (same manufacturer but bought 2 gig in one pack and the 1 gig in a single pack) + 256 mb old at 400mhz (best speed for DDR)... Thats 3.256 gigs vs. 512 mb...
Just flew through a plethora of offline B17s with the 190 squad and was able to get hits, not bad frame hit, at absolute worst was at 17 fps. At most 84 fps..
I think that will do.. It has to... Will still look at the aperture thing.
Thanks guys <S>
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"Oh well, upgraded anyway to 3 gigs new (same manufacturer but bought 2 gig in one pack and the 1 gig in a single pack) + 256 mb old"
That means you probably do not have dual-channeling enabled which effectively drops your memory bandwidth in half. It is possible that installing that 2Gb and 1Gb in separate banks you may still be able to enable dual-channeling, but you need to dump the 256Mb stick, it does not any good in there anyway.
"If the motherboard has two pairs of differently colored DIMM sockets (the colors indicate which bank they belong to, bank 0 or bank 1), then one can place a matched pair of memory modules in bank 0, but a different-capacity pair of modules in bank 1, as long as they are of the same speed."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual-channel_architecture
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"Oh well, upgraded anyway to 3 gigs new (same manufacturer but bought 2 gig in one pack and the 1 gig in a single pack) + 256 mb old"
That means you probably do not have dual-channeling enabled which effectively drops your memory bandwidth in half. It is possible that installing that 2Gb and 1Gb in separate banks you may still be able to enable dual-channeling, but you need to dump the 256Mb stick, it does not any good in there anyway.
"If the motherboard has two pairs of differently colored DIMM sockets (the colors indicate which bank they belong to, bank 0 or bank 1), then one can place a matched pair of memory modules in bank 0, but a different-capacity pair of modules in bank 1, as long as they are of the same speed."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual-channel_architecture
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Ill try dumping the 256... I have 4 sockets, two are biege locking slots, two are black locking slots. The biege is where the original 256 + 256 mb sticks were in 'channel b'. So I have placed 1gig + 1 gig respectively purchased from one package. Lastly, I placed a 1 gig purchased in a separate package into one of the remaining black locking slots.
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I have 4 sockets, two are biege locking slots, two are black locking slots.
You DO have DDR2 memory then. You need to have matched pairs of memory in the matched color coded slots or you lose half your memory bandwidth. At this pont you'd be better off with the two new 1 Gb sticks in the matched color coded slots (both black or both beige slots) closest to the CPU and the two 256's in the other two slots. That depends slightly on the memory's cas latency which will default to match the slowest stick but even if one set is slower you're losing much much more by not running in dual channel mode.
If the 256 sticks have a higher cas latency than the new 1 Gb sticks you might even be better off to leave them out entirely.
Your system will only see a Maximum of 3.25-3.75 Gb of RAM (32 bit limitation) and no single application will be allowed to access more than 2 Gb of RAM anyway so you really wouldn't lose anything.
Test it and see what happens.
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You DO have DDR2 memory then. You need to have matched pairs of memory in the matched color coded slots or you lose half your memory bandwidth. At this pont you'd be better off with the two new 1 Gb sticks in the matched color coded slots (both black or both beige slots) closest to the CPU and the two 256's in the other two slots. That depends slightly on the memory's cas latency which will default to match the slowest stick but even if one set is slower you're losing much much more by not running in dual channel mode.
If the 256 sticks have a higher cas latency than the new 1 Gb sticks you might even be better off to leave them out entirely.
Your system will only see a Maximum of 3.25-3.75 Gb of RAM (32 bit limitation) and no single application will be allowed to access more than 2 Gb of RAM anyway so you really wouldn't lose anything.
Test it and see what happens.
I'm confused more than ever. The guy at the store told me was each gold pin on the original 256mb card are twice as big as DDR2, therefore the smaller DDR2 pins will not line up if I place them into my board. Physically it is impossible I was told. So what you are saying is my motherboard support both DDR and DDR2??? Is that physically possible? Only the DDR memories at different GB match my gold pins. If I buy the DDR2s, I was told the sticks will not work.
As for the 4 bays,
2 Gray slots - there is 1gb newly installed each x2 = 2gb memory which came from ONE LARGER package (Centon corporation).
1 Black Slot - There is 1 gb newly installed = 1gb memory coming from ONE SMALLER package (Centon Corporation)
1 Black Slot - There is/was 256 old installed 256 memory.
Total slots used = 4
I don't want to take back the new 3gb sticks unless absolutely sure....
Except for today when I took out the 256mb..
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Update:
I opened the CPU case, took a picture of the memory slot and counted each pin hole where the contact points of the DDR memory meet up.
Motherboard 52 + 40 pin holes... DDR stick 52 + 40 gold contact tips.... They match up
I'm more afraid to get the DDR2's because the contact points are twice as thin and twice as numerous and won't meet up with the motherboard slots.
Correct?
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OK. Sounds like you got the right stuff then and that pairing the memory won't matter. DDR is 184 pin. DDR2 is 240 pin and they are keyed differently so they can't be put in each other's slots.
Most motherboards with color coded slots are DDR2 which is what threw me off.
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Thanks! Well, it is unfortunate I can't have the best 'bling' but at least it's not 512mb ....
Ok onto the next steps elsewhere to optimize performance.... Probably will turn off ground clutter next now that I boosted aperture to 256mb.. Didn't want to boost to 32mb since some website said it would take away from other system resources. Only to be used if any 'game' experiences stutters.
OK, getting real close to flying online :aok
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On boot up the bios boot screen should read "Dual Channel enabled" unless you have "splash screen" enabled from bios.
If it doesn't you should put only one memory stick in first beige slot and one in first black slot and the bios boot up screen should read "Dual Channel enabled".
If it does you should notice some kind of improvement.
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A watt equal amps times volts so they are equally important.
:D
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A watt equal amps times volts so they are equally important.
:D
Say watt?
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I went to bios on a dell xps 400 and DDR 3.5gig at 400mhz and the bios screen (f8) says single channel. Should I increase aperture to 32mb? Clock latency is 3, system bus at 200mhz.
I just blew up stuff offline with rockets and bombs, which frame rate dropped considerable, choppy! Anyway to avoid the choppyness? Don't want to buy anything more.
Well, thanks in advance...
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Had a heck of a time getting it to work with my new SATA drive. My XP CD from 2002 did not have any service packs. Long story, but my new rig is up and running. :) Only took 3 weeks :O and a lot of help from squadies. :cool:
Thanks for the replies. :salute