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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: frank3 on May 04, 2009, 08:37:42 AM
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Been reading some disturbing things about large groups of players called 'hordes'. It seems they are generally disliked because of the -usually- uneven numbers (attacker/defender-wise).
My question now is, if you announce your (horde) mission on 200 channel, would the horde be justified? It seems this would give the defenders a reasonable amount of time to up a horde-defence, and possibly a good fight.
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Been reading some disturbing things about large groups of players called 'hordes'. It seems they are generally disliked because of the -usually- uneven numbers (attacker/defender-wise).
My question now is, if you announce your (horde) mission on 200 channel, would the horde be justified? It seems this would give the defenders a reasonable amount of time to up a horde-defence, and possibly a good fight.
I had intended to do just what you described, up until my DSL started having issues recently.
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A "horde" is more a mentality than anything else.
Why, just last night, I was privy to the following exchange on range VOX:
Jimmy: "Careful guys, there's only seven of you on that spit. Got him?" (Sarcasm)
Johnny: "Safety in numbers!" (No sarcasm)
*Names edited to protect the innocent.
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A "horde" is more a mentality than anything else.
Why, just last night, I was privy to the following exchange on range VOX:
Jimmy: "Careful guys, there's only seven of you on that spit. Got him?" (Sarcasm)
Johnny: "Safety in numbers!" (No sarcasm)
*Names edited to protect the innocent.
Since when am I innocent? :lol
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There is nothing wrong with a horde
there is nothing wrong with sneaking undefended bases..
there is something wrong with a horde sneaking undefended bases.
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Been reading some disturbing things about large groups of players called 'hordes'. It seems they are generally disliked because of the -usually- uneven numbers (attacker/defender-wise).
My question now is, if you announce your (horde) mission on 200 channel, would the horde be justified? It seems this would give the defenders a reasonable amount of time to up a horde-defence, and possibly a good fight.
you have to remember.....those that come here and whine about the horde, only do so, because they were seriously outnumbered, and the "horde" probably fought together well as a team to accomplish a goal.
the very same person complaining, was most probably within the last week was IN a horde, but then it was ok, since he wasn't outnumbered.
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The idea is not to fight a horde, it to NOT generate a horde.
Sure announce on 200 "horde of 20+ heading for XXXX looking for defenders to slow us down" So that means now that ...
- Someone has to take command of the defense,
- Commander has to recruit defenders "HELP AT XXXX!"
- A number of people (at least 20) have to drop what they are doing, including being in a possible mission, furballing, sitting at their favorite spawn point, almost to the factory to hit on their milk run....
- organize a high cap, and a medium cap
- defend against said horde
- hope they are not smart/good enough to take down hangers other wize defense is a one shot deal.
Sure, could be fun for a couple of minutes, maybe longer if the hangers stay up.
On the other hand, 10 guys hit one base, the other 10 guys hit another base. This way the "horde" isn't a horde, those who can and wish to defend have a shot, two missions create two fights instead of stifling a single fight, more fun for all.
On the other hand, if all your looking for is another base to add to your gun notches, roll another one.
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I never had an issue with hordes on any side. If you don't like it, you don't need to fight it or be with it.
What I find comical is some dweeb calling out an inbound horde on 200 when their country does the very same a few minutes earlier or when they have numbers.
Who cares.
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All I need is one base to up from.
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a horde is one half of a furball
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you have to remember.....those that come here and whine about the horde, only do so, because they were seriously outnumbered, and the "horde" probably fought together well as a team to accomplish a goal.
The Hive Mind (Horde Ubiquiconscience) (yes I just made that word up and its PERFECT)) does not possess the cognitive reasoning ability to understand these terms.
There is no "team."
There is no "fight well together."
There is only "The Objective."
The Horde Ubiquiconscience (TM) knows only of myopic Victory. Victory achieved via accomplishment of "The Objective." Targets must be destroyed at all costs. 400 rounds of Hizooka 20mm allocated for each bandit. Danger sensors removed from circuitry. 30mm's locked and loaded for building demolition. Blinders installed.
Like Lemmings over a cliff, they will dive, and dive and dive until the hangers are down. The Horde Ubiquiconscience knows only that; the larger the Horde, the better the chance for Victory.
Alternatively, we can debate on the subject of whether or not rain drops "work together."
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The problem with the current horde(s) and subsequent whining about said horde(s) is that they are not losing interest due to boredom. It seems that they are content taking bases with overwhelming odds and patting each other on the back.
Hordes have always existed, however they tended to cycle through the different countries. What's going on now is not cycling. It also appears to remain dominant for some time to come. The cycle is ever present in most peoples game, rubber bullets, pilot wounds, etc all seem to cycle back and forth.
The horde would be present with the rooks, then they would tire of the teamwork.......then the knights would want some redemption, team up and tire......then the bish would team up and of course tire.
Seems that the boredom of ruling day in and out is still pleasing to some, which I believe is what most are upset about.
IMO, It is going to take an all out horde war to settle this dispute between the countries and put it to bed, before normalcy can return to the game (if it ever does).
My 2 cents
HB
PS Go Canes!
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God forbid Rook/Knits actually defending? Is that what you just said? Or is it that leaders are only born Bishop? And you're upset because you have nobody to lead you?
- Someone has to take command of the defense,
- Commander has to recruit defenders "HELP AT XXXX!"
- A number of people (at least 20) have to drop what they are doing, including being in a possible mission, furballing, sitting at their favorite spawn point, almost to the factory to hit on their milk run....
- organize a high cap, and a medium cap
- defend against said horde
- hope they are not smart/good enough to take down hangers other wize defense is a one shot deal.
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IMO, It is going to take an all out horde war to settle this dispute between the countries and put it to bed, before normalcy can return to the game (if it ever does).
Going to take a new game, methinks. Aces Hording II is here to stay. No changing it, I fear.
EDIT: I smell some chess piece pride above me. Someone tell Logan that Bishops cant make babies.
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IMO, It is going to take an all out horde war to settle this dispute between the countries and put it to bed, before normalcy can return to the game (if it ever does).
Sounds fantastic! How about a 3x3 sector map w/ invincible hangars? Am I the only one that would love that?
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why don't we get the hordes to fight eachother?
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why don't we get the hordes to fight eachother?
The sad thing is...about 15 of the 20 would be dead within 30 seconds because 3/4 of the hordes put together aren't taught ACM and are in 110s...the commander saying to them "Spray at the brown buildings with all your ammo"
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why don't we get the hordes to fight eachother?
Because there is no "win" there, there wouldn't be enough left from all the HOs and rams and lawndarts to capture the base, so nobody wins.
God forbid Rook/Knits actually defending? Is that what you just said? Or is it that leaders are only born Bishop? And you're upset because you have nobody to lead you?
Figure thats all a "lemming" would get out of that post
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I think you guys got a point. AHII is supposed to be a simulation of WWII combat and, since there is no evidence(http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/mace/T312353A.jpg) at all that forces were ever massed together to overwhelm the enemy (http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/mace/WWII%20Flyover.jpg)we should (http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/mace/USN-CN-Aleutians-14.gif)make this practice (http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/mace/stukaoo4.jpg)verboten(http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/mace/B17%20Formation2.jpg) After all, we wouldn't want AH to be unrealistic.(http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/mace/B-17formation.jpg)
;)
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this isn't war, it's a game. It's supposed to be fun, war isn't- neither is being horded.
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The AH war goes on 24/7 you losing a base because you are outnumbered at that one Base (or even on the hole front) is nothing to worry about... go in do your killing and enjoy it. if you cant kill people to your liking you need to change the way you kill people.
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I think you guys got a point. AHII is supposed to be a simulation of WWII combat and, since there is no evidence(http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/mace/T312353A.jpg) at all that forces were ever massed together to overwhelm the enemy (http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/mace/WWII%20Flyover.jpg)we should (http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/mace/USN-CN-Aleutians-14.gif)make this practice (http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/mace/stukaoo4.jpg)verboten(http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/mace/B17%20Formation2.jpg) After all, we wouldn't want AH to be unrealistic.(http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/mace/B-17formation.jpg)
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:rofl :rofl :rofl
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I think you guys got a point. AHII is supposed to be a simulation of WWII combat and, since there is no evidence(http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/mace/T312353A.jpg) at all that forces were ever massed together to overwhelm the enemy (http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/mace/WWII%20Flyover.jpg)we should (http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/mace/USN-CN-Aleutians-14.gif)make this practice (http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/mace/stukaoo4.jpg)verboten(http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/mace/B17%20Formation2.jpg) After all, we wouldn't want AH to be unrealistic.(http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/mace/B-17formation.jpg)
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:aok :lol :rock :salute
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I don't tune 200 and why would it be announced when your taking back your own bases most of the time. Don't take the base , if you cant defend it, and don't knock a horde unless you have tried it, horde NOE missions Rule :rock.
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Heck, bring on the Hordlings! I love to play defender, help turn the tables and sink the Bish CV, and send 'em running for their Mommies! Being continuously vulched on the runways by the horders is enough to make you cuss and throw things, but it does sweeten the victory once you've managed to climb out successfully and reduce 2 or 3 of the attackers to falling airplane bits!
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I don't tune 200 and why would it be announced when your taking back your own bases most of the time. Don't take the base , if you cant defend it, and don't knock a horde unless you have tried it, horde NOE missions Rule :rock.
NOE horde missions rule in what way?
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Nothing is to come about talking about it. Hordes will never cease to end.
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DIE GROUND WALKERS!(http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt86/splittiebus66/horde.jpg)
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Who really cares anymore, just do what you do. Expect to be shot down repeatedly and ridiculed though. Then go try to find more people to hide with. You'll still get shot down.
Oh and Waystin, before spouting off in emoticons about something retarded, remember this is not war, a simulation of world war two or supposed to re-create WW2. It's purely a game using WW2 vehicles and planes. The only thing that can even remotely be compared to that are scenarios, never, ever the gameplay of the MA.
But like I said, just do what you guys do. You do it well... well, not really...
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dear god not this subject again get ready for 45 pages of crap :eek: :noid
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dear god not this subject again get ready for 45 pages of crap :eek: :noid
:rofl my point exactly!
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NOE horde missions rule in what way?
Number of guys that don't know what they are doing.
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Who really cares anymore, just do what you do. Expect to be shot down repeatedly and ridiculed though. Then go try to find more people to hide with. You'll still get shot down.
Oh and Waystin, before spouting off in emoticons about something retarded, remember this is not war, a simulation of world war two or supposed to re-create WW2. It's purely a game using WW2 vehicles and planes. The only thing that can even remotely be compared to that are scenarios, never, ever the gameplay of the MA.
But like I said, just do what you guys do. You do it well... well, not really...
Oh and Stang before spouting off in text about something retarded, remember this is not real, it is a game.
:aok :rofl :D :devil :rolleyes:
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There is no real point, other than having fun, to anything we do in this game.
If every encounter is a beautiful, cold-merge 1v1 dogfight, where superior ACM can be displayed and the clock of the guy who can't fly as well cleaned, well, he can just up again immediately, and no lasting effect (except maybe to his ego) has been achieved.
If a base is taken, it'll probably be taken back overnight, and worse case scenario is a map change, in which case we wash, rinse, repeat, until the end of time.
There is no cosmic difference between furballing, nice dueling/dogfighting, milkrunning, horde base taking, etc. It's all just different aspects of a game. And sometimes different subsets of the playerbase are amused by the different aspects of the game.
I think those who complain about the hordes have no real point, other than "some other people are enjoying the game on their own terms, and I don't happen to agree, so WAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH."
The best thing to do about a horde, IMHO and only MHO, is to up a good plane and go try to break the horde. That's a good time, whether I succeed or fail!
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I only assign the "horde" tag if its an NOE mission with LOTS of planes.. giant mass bomber raids are not hordes, neither is 4 people sneaking a Vbase. 45 110s 3 feet of the ground swarming town like locusts is a horde..
but hordes are not 100% bad, busting NOE horde missions can be pretty exhilarating, your just taking off and climbing when suddenly everything starts flashing, you roll over and see just an absolute sea of red.. You can rack up the kills, just stay fast and avoid the HOs and you will probably get at least 5 scalps thanks to angering and town ack alone. in circumstances like that, the enemy horde can be a blessing.
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It is quite satisfying to find an NOE horde mishun, fly around the 110/niki HO wall, and kill all of their goons. But since I never tune 200 I don't get the see the whine-o-meter light up.... :t
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why don't we get the hordes to fight eachother?
isn't that a furball? one of the most fun and exciting kinds fo fights in here? of course, i wouldn't know, as my 38 o deth doesn't survive long............. :noid :rofl
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The sad thing is...about 15 of the 20 would be dead within 30 seconds because 3/4 of the hordes put together aren't taught ACM and are in 110s...the commander saying to them "Spray at the brown buildings with all your ammo"
spray with what? weed killer? :rofl
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Nothing is to come about talking about it. Hordes will never cease to end.
uumm.....don't you mean "cease to be"?
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I think you guys got a point. AHII is supposed to be a simulation of WWII combat and, since there is no evidence...
jeez, they sent all that after 2 planes and an undefended base? actually the US was busy taking Japanese bases, while the Japanese were busy taking US bases. They just sent hordes into undefended bases and always sent 10 zeros to confront a lone p38 as that is the best tactical choice. On another front, Russia was sneaking German occupied land without resistance, while Germany sat around spawn camping and hording with massive forces. The Germans figured if they could launch gv's into the HQ and kill the dar, they would be able to recover all the bases the Russians milked. Meanwhile, Hartmann was flying around vulching fields and using his wingmen as bait all day to increase his fighter score. AH reflects WW2 perfectly, I can really see how this is relevant. :rolleyes:
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While the horde doesn't bother me. There are things about it which amuse me.
Here's one of my favorites: the guy(s) in the horde over your base who are circling at 15 to 20K. This is always a source of amusement to me. Sometimes I'll check flims for names. Invariably, it's some guy who gets between 1 and 3 kills per hour; not necessarily a noob.
Seriously, where's the fun in that? When I try to talk to these high dots on 200, I get no response. Sure it's their $15 but for a kill or two an hour, I'd rather watch ice melt.
Steve
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I'm usually the guy in the 110 that doesn't know what he's doing, just spraying building for fun! And I HO everything that comes off the runway because that's what my Master told me to do :t
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I erased everything I had typed when I read the kid's above me post.
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the guy(s) in the horde
:lol
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Game is full of hypocrites.
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ya think?!!
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Game is full of hypocrites.
Yup, when i was playing i was in the occasional NOE misson or following the band wagon for the win for the map, but you don't see me posting things on the boards about it.
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jeez, they sent all that after 2 planes and an undefended base? actually the US was busy taking Japanese bases, while the Japanese were busy taking US bases. They just sent hordes into undefended bases and always sent 10 zeros to confront a lone p38 as that is the best tactical choice. On another front, Russia was sneaking German occupied land without resistance, while Germany sat around spawn camping and hording with massive forces. The Germans figured if they could launch gv's into the HQ and kill the dar, they would be able to recover all the bases the Russians milked. Meanwhile, Hartmann was flying around vulching fields and using his wingmen as bait all day to increase his fighter score. AH reflects WW2 perfectly, I can really see how this is relevant. :rolleyes:
I think you missed the joke. lol
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this isn't war, it's a game. It's supposed to be fun, war isn't- neither is being horded.
:aok
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I don't care what you do; tank, bomb, furball, or some combination of the three. Just be good at what you do and don't take 50 guys to do a job when 10 could of done it and provided a more enjoyable experience for both sides.
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Game is full of hypocrites.
Look who's talking! :P
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I rarely take part in Bish mishuns,
But..... from now on if I can help to create a horde to piss of you whining "elitists" then I will. I will also encourage anybody else that I can to join the horde. In fact I will create as many 30 aircraft 110 noe missions as I possibly can.
What is it with you bunch of little generals, wanting everyone to play your way or not at all. How dare you criticise a horde, the people in a horde are having fun, they are playing for their fun not yours and don't give a rats donut about your feelings.
Go cry to mommy
wipass
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I rarely take part in Bish mishuns,
But..... from now on if I can help to create a horde to piss of you whining "elitists" then I will. I will also encourage anybody else that I can to join the horde. In fact I will create as many 30 aircraft 110 noe missions as I possibly can.
What is it with you bunch of little generals, wanting everyone to play your way or not at all. How dare you criticise a horde, the people in a horde are having fun, they are playing for their fun not yours and don't give a rats donut about your feelings.
Go cry to mommy
wipass
ahhh spoken like another social misfit who couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag without his horde! Bet you make lots of friends.
Lets put it like this, I'll bet ya'll have played Monopoly. Win or loose the game is suppose to be fun. Wheelin and dealin just having fun with a bunch of friends. Now I'm sure we all know at least one player that takes the game a bit too serious, always works the deals to death getting every possible advantage they can. Plays as tight, or as cut throat a game as they can. This is the one player nobody likes to have in the game. They just suck the fun right out of it. It gets to the point that when people suggest "lets play!" and this person is in the game, most just say nawww, because they know it won't be fun, and after all thats what playing a game is suppose to be about, fun.
Picture the horde as that one player. Why play against the horde? Its not all that much fun. In most cases they are skillless little lemmings so sure you can rack up a big number of kills, but wheres the fun in that? THIS game is suppose to be about combat, and the horde has nothing to do with combat. HTC might as well give us the B29 and a nuke, we could roll bases faster with that !
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Lets put it like this, I'll bet ya'll have played Monopoly. Win or loose the game is suppose to be fun. Wheelin and dealin just having fun with a bunch of friends. Now I'm sure we all know at least one player that takes the game a bit too serious, always works the deals to death getting every possible advantage they can. Plays as tight, or as cut throat a game as they can. This is the one player nobody likes to have in the game. They just suck the fun right out of it. It gets to the point that when people suggest "lets play!" and this person is in the game, most just say nawww, because they know it won't be fun, and after all thats what playing a game is suppose to be about, fun.
Just guessing that you are "that" monopoly player.
What exactly is it that you want other players to do in order that they can help you have more fun ?
wipass
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ahhh spoken like another social misfit who couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag without his horde! Bet you make lots of friends.
Lets put it like this, I'll bet ya'll have played Monopoly. Win or loose the game is suppose to be fun. Wheelin and dealin just having fun with a bunch of friends. Now I'm sure we all know at least one player that takes the game a bit too serious, always works the deals to death getting every possible advantage they can. Plays as tight, or as cut throat a game as they can. This is the one player nobody likes to have in the game. They just suck the fun right out of it. It gets to the point that when people suggest "lets play!" and this person is in the game, most just say nawww, because they know it won't be fun, and after all thats what playing a game is suppose to be about, fun.
Picture the horde as that one player. Why play against the horde? Its not all that much fun. In most cases they are skillless little lemmings so sure you can rack up a big number of kills, but wheres the fun in that? THIS game is suppose to be about combat, and the horde has nothing to do with combat. HTC might as well give us the B29 and a nuke, we could roll bases faster with that !
That's abit egocentric IMHO, I don't think you can speak for the other +300 people that are online.
At least not for the +20 players in the horde :D
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Just guessing that you are "that" monopoly player.
What exactly is it that you want other players to do in order that they can help you have more fun ?
wipass
No I'm not THAT player, I just play to have fun, like I said, its a game, its suppose to be fun, other wise why play?
I think the mission leaders should show a little "class", or "common sense" and not build missions bigger than what is needed. 10-12 people is more than enough to take a base.... any base. Should they run a mission, and find a bunch of other hitting the field they are going to, turn off and hit a secondary target, why pile in on top of what there all ready, your just creating a horde. People can still have their fun, run their missions, "play the way they want to!", just don't build a horde. Look at it from the defenders side.... as we all are at time because ALL SIDES create hordes...can you honestly say it is a fun night of "flying" when all you do is get horde after horde hitting you?
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In that case I'd like to get back to my original question;
What if you'd announce your horde-mission in advance? This would enable the enemy to set up some defense, and creating for a big dogfight, which sounds rather fun to me.
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I think the mission leaders should show a little "class", or "common sense" and not build missions bigger than what is needed. 10-12 people is more than enough to take a base.... any base. Should they run a mission, and find a bunch of other hitting the field they are going to, turn off and hit a secondary target, why pile in on top of what there all ready, your just creating a horde. People can still have their fun, run their missions, "play the way they want to!", just don't build a horde. Look at it from the defenders side.... as we all are at time because ALL SIDES create hordes...can you honestly say it is a fun night of "flying" when all you do is get horde after horde hitting you?
You are wanting people to play your way, you can dress it up any way you want but this is the essence.
What are you missing out on when a "horde" attacks a base you aren't near ?
Why does it matter to you if they roll over bases ?
Surely you are a furballer and don't care for the "winning the war" people.
Go find a bunch of furballers and furball to your hearts content, either on another part of the map or in the A to A arena.
I fail to see why anyone should change their idea of fun just because it doesn't conform to your idea of fun ? Please explain that one to me.
wipass
perplexed
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Well I have been in Bish missions when thats been done and still nobody upped.
I'm sure most people have things happen in the game which pish them off - I hate being bombed in TT by Lanc stukas when I'm having GV battles, suicide porkers taking out ord on frontline bases, getting picked by alt monkeys when theres a low level furball, Nits and Rooks ganging Bish on the current map etc etc
But I know that all 3 sides do the same thing, whining on about it wont make any difference, in fact its what the other sides want to see and if you whine, they laugh, so I just find a different part of the map to play on (not a lot of choice for Bish at the moment :cry) or log off and do something usefull.
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A so Here's my reply (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,264151.msg3288093.html#msg3288093) to the original post.
The idea isn't to defend against a horde. Why would you WANT to fly in a horde? Honest answers to that question would be..
- Don't have the skills to survive a fight on my own
- can't get any kills unless target is occupied by others
- any defense must be overwhelmed with numbers, due to lack of skill in group
- only way to take bases is with numbers and/or surprise, because group can't fight for it
- group has no one that understands tactics or strategy
As a horde if your one of the last ones into the "fight" what are you fighting? Hangers are down, town is down, and nobody is defending because it isn't fun, so what are you doing, flying circles over the base? WOW !!! that IS fun !
You are wanting people to play your way, you can dress it up any way you want but this is the essence.
What are you missing out on when a "horde" attacks a base you aren't near ?
Why does it matter to you if they roll over bases ?
Surely you are a furballer and don't care for the "winning the war" people.
Go find a bunch of furballers and furball to your hearts content, either on another part of the map or in the A to A arena.
I fail to see why anyone should change their idea of fun just because it doesn't conform to your idea of fun ? Please explain that one to me.
wipass
perplexed
You guys always fall back on that line... You are wanting people to play your way, you can dress it up any way you want but this is the essence. I don't care how others play, other than a horde and lame game play. The horde is just a bunch of lemmings that will NEVER learn to get better at the game, there is no defending against the horde, hence why they are so successful, and the path of least resistance for the "newer generation". Can you honestly say you LOVE fighting against a horde all night? oh thats right, horde never clash, so seeing you fear stepping outside the horde you won't be able to fight one. :rolleyes:
Players in the horde limit themselves, and limit the potential fun they could be having.
Well I have been in Bish missions when thats been done and still nobody upped.
I'm sure most people have things happen in the game which pish them off - I hate being bombed in TT by Lanc stukas when I'm having GV battles, suicide porkers taking out ord on frontline bases, getting picked by alt monkeys when theres a low level furball, Nits and Rooks ganging Bish on the current map etc etc
But I know that all 3 sides do the same thing, whining on about it wont make any difference, in fact its what the other sides want to see and if you whine, they laugh, so I just find a different part of the map to play on (not a lot of choice for Bish at the moment :cry) or log off and do something usefull.
YES it's a game issue, NOT a "Bish" issue, NOT a "Rook" issue, NOT a "Knight" issue, A GAME issue. just because EVERYONE DOES IT dosen't make it right, you sound like a 12 year old!
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So "everyone does it" but you say its wrong
I'm not defending it, but you seem to think your opinion overides that of 5000 others
You aint going to stop it, think of something else to bang on about
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"You guys always fall back on that line... You are wanting people to play your way, you can dress it up any way you want but this is the essence"
Do you know why people always fall back on this line ? Because it's the damn truth. Different people have a different idea of fun and what does it for them, can you not understand this ?
What are you missing out on when a "horde" attacks a base you aren't near ?
Why does it matter to you if they roll over bases ?
You are in a minority, a very vocal minority but a minority none the less.
You will just have to suck it up because it isn't going to change any time soon.
wipass, just as perplexed
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"there is no defending against the horde, hence why they are so successful
Not true. Plenty have been busted up, NOE or at ALT. Been there, done that, on both the offense and the receiving end. An NOE to A11 on LWO last weekend proved such an instance. We failed to take the base. We had more than your favored number of participants. We were stopped. Rooks resourceful enough to respond defended against us and found goons right off. Dredger stated on channel 200 that it was a daring raid. I replied to the Rooks in general "<S>" for defending thier base. If only I did not hit the cancel button to save my film.
2nd instance: P38L Mission I posted last weekend MORE THAN 12 IN IT. Objective was originally a darbar diversion to draw Rooks off of another front. That part worked well for a while. A few decided to roll goons for a chance at capture, and we modified mission to include town at Rook field. Rooks saw us coming, and chose to defend. We arrived, Rook cons up, Rook GV's appropriately enough rolling to town. And still enough resourceful Rooks to go goon hunt. We failed to take that base. Again, <S> Rooks for your vigilance. Again, if I had only not hit the cancel button and saved my film.
3rd instance: Mission was posted to run Lancasters and fighter cap NOE a bit deeper into Rookland. I opted to run goon ahead. I found a place on a tip of an island to park and wait for the mission. Mission arrived, killed town, Rooks defended and wiped them out. I was on my way in, and decided to run my goon back out of radar range and park it for a bit longer. Went afk for a while, asked someone to run the clock on the town. After twenty minutes or so, I started up, only to run out of beach and plow my goon into the water. So Banshee & I ran goons, with Karaya in an La7. We eventually arrived to find one building still standing. Karaya strafed it, and we sent our twenty troops into the maproom unnoticed. That take worked, and so we created a beachhead, a new front, and a new fight. (There's that damn "F" word again :D)
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Honestly I dont understand why some people get so worried about what others do on the game. Why not worry about yourself, If you dont
like fighting against a horde dont fly overthere easy. If you dont like to be a part of a "horde" mission dont join it easy. But preaching from
your high horse to us "mere knaves" gets old. Something thats suppose to be learned in kindergarden worry about yourself.
"There is only one way to happiness and that is to cease worrying about things which are beyond the power of our will".
-Epictetus- :rofl
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I think horde complaints are definitely...
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Two things my brotha from another Motha........
YOU'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE........ Empty Threat! :lol
Bishop can't make babies? That is great news!!! Means we have less squeakers!!
Going to take a new game, methinks. Aces Hording II is here to stay. No changing it, I fear.
EDIT: I smell some chess piece pride above me. Someone tell Logan that Bishops cant make babies.
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I think there should be an understanding of the difference between a horde and a large mission...........
Large missions are planned, require some commitment from their members and usually have some sort of objective...........
Hordes are the massed concentrations of players (from a side) attracting other players (from the same side) to those same concentrations regardless of competition, plan or objective. It may be that the initial actraction was indeed a large mission but the mechanism that causes exponental growth is horde like none the less.
In this case we could say that many of the new participants display typical horde mentality
The "feel safe" satisfaction of "safety" in numbers.
The self gratification of being one of many after one or few targets.
The lack of any ability to measure accomplishment by the challenge overcame to achieve it.
OK these are human traits and we must acknowledge that they are more prevalent in those less mature in years or experience...............
In other words............. this is not going to go away. Horde mentality will always exist here............
There is a way to blunt horde effect on arena play. Its been done elsewhere and to my knowledge its the only mechanism that works.
Its called a zone limit............. basically there is a dynamic limit placed upon how many players can be "up" from any field at any time. Once this limit is reached you get a message that advises that all planes (and or) vehicles available at that field are taken.
If a player (who upped from that field) dies/or ditches or lands then the count is reduced by 1 and another may re up.
In busy sectors missions are forced to up from 2nd line fields to ensure their numbers are secure. Clever mission planners will design such missions as use 2 launch fields. However in such busy sectors the huge mission is delayed avoiding a massive unbalancing factor.
Where a mission is designed to "open a new front" then the Zone limit should not limit a mission of say 10 folk from 1 field presently not in use. But would limit those with Horde mentality flocking to the dar bar.
Capture and local numbers advantages would still be very possible particularly when two fields from one side are attacking one from another.
The maths surrounding the zone limit would have to take into account the number of players a side has in ratio to its number of fields (assuming some sort of factor for the field/front ratio) certain fields would have no zone limit such as the uncapturables............
The application could go further.e.g. attacking local infrastructure (factories) could lower the zone limit......it all depends how far one would want to take such a proposal.
But I can assure you all that it is the only way successfully used in the past to limit hordes and the local effect on parts of the map by destroying game play through massive over balance due to players flocking to a growing darbar.
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There is no Horde.
There is only Zuel.
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Hording/NOE Missions...... :rofl
Base Capturing...... :rofl
People do these things because they can't/won't/are afraid to fight....End of story.... There is no other reason.... In the end, it is always primarily this reason..
And because they think that little number next to their name actually means something...
Seriously, how is it that people can be proud of base captures especially done they way most horde ridden squads attempt them??
Really? And then thinking you truly accomplished something grand?? How hard is it to drive an M3 up to a capture point and drop troops off??
A great majority of the time, their is little resistance if any.. And then when failure imminent, they cut and run and move to some other
unsuspecting base where there is no activity.. And then when you capture a completely undefended base that you don't even have to fight for.
you revel in your own "success".. "Check it out guys.....20 base captures this tour...What's up??" How sweet lame....
Like you actually accomplished something....
These are the same exact guys who accuse others of spying when they switch sides... These are the same people that will only fly uber rides and
you will NEVER see them in anything which takes any knowledge or practice to fly..
Now, straight up, I'm cool with a lot of you guys who do this kind of thing.... It's your nickel($15.00)..
Play how you want.... But the ridicule is well deserved.....
I will tell you right now... A lot of you guys are thinking POTW or similar squads.... Pigs aren't afraid to fight....
You people need to experience a FREEBIRDS mission.... No one has ever mentioned them ONCE about hording or NOE missions..
And yet, in my experience of over 2 years in this came (currently on hiatus in Europe), the Freebirds take the cake as far as hordling/NOE mishun squads go..
Every "mishun" they run, their C.O. will go Ape Sh*t if there isn't a Freebird in the goon/m3.... All of them have high tank, attack, bombing scores..
They don't seem to actually kill very much except for structures.... I still have no clue why people will follow this squad to the ends of the earth
to capture bases.. This is fun? People are amused to easily? People don't seek challenges? People don't seek the thrill of the fight (win or lose)?
Not to say the Freebirds aren't nice guys... They seem like good guys to me for the most part... I just think what they do is bad for game play..
They get a lot of new guys into their missions.. These new guys see the way they play.. Hence, the game and the majority of the mentality game-wise
gets worse.. And those of us who are in it for the fight can hardly find fights that are worth fighting.. Heh, I find the AI in the offline missions more
competent than most sticks who fly with hordling/noe capture squads...
NOE=GAY
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Gents, part of the game here is trash talk.... Some of you blow it off and could care less.... Some of you get involved....
Some like myself ask why it is necessary? I wasn't looking to get any kind of specific answer out of this thread...
My intention was to find out the necessity of the trash talk along with what is considered a head-on these days..
Apparently, talking trash (and I mean no offense to anyone when saying this) is just part of the game..
Well, I guess I'm just not good at that part as far as accepting it and dishing it out....
Maybe I've got anger issues, I don't know.... I've got some things going on in life right now that drastically reduce my patience for this sort of thing..
Stodd, Karaya, my comments were unacceptable regardless of how ever I was offended.... I apologize to both of you and anyone else that
may have been affected by my negativity...
I played this game to learn, have fun and attempt to have a good rapport with everyone as I learned this from Dan and the rest of the 80th..
They are all stand up guys and things I have said here are certainly not representative of them..
In this respect, if it's come down to me being pissed off by words, I find that a good reason to take an indefinite break...
:salute
Once again you post and prove that you are more interested in insulting people, squads and gameplay needlessly...these were your words from the last time you did this. I would respond directly to your asinine post but it is so vitriolic and demeaning to this game that it doesn't deserve that attention. In your opinion everything that hitech has developed and placed into this game = gay except for dogfiting which you define as high alt perch picking by your previous thread....good grief. Maybe a break would benefit more then just you.
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There is no Horde.
There is only Zuel.
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:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Where is your data from Sphincter? People who are afraid to fight... don't play. Nobody joins a mission, much less an NOE mission thinking they will not engage. It's just asinine.
People do these things because they can't/won't/are afraid to fight....End of story....
And again..... I can only say this so many times. The NOE horde doesn't stop you from upping to defend. If you're too much a noseCat to do so.......... Not my problem.
It actually edited nosecat!!!!! Webster's says it's a word, I swear!!! BUT KNOW WHAT I REALLY CALL YOU!!!
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I was with, hummm a different country, and the reason I switched country's and became a bish was because I admired the way the bishops seemed to always fight in a combined effort. And that was exactly what I was looking for in the style I wanted to play. It's not about hordes, its about everyone coming together for a common goal and working together. I have seen the bishops plan an attack on to sectors of the map to split the defense of the other country in hopes of taking at least one of the bases(to get that many players to work together is a blast). I have also seen the bishops use a handful of players willing to sacrifice there group to draw the other country away from the main target, that's teamwork and to be involved in it is fun. So say what you may about the Bishops, at least when you call for help, you get it. And to get that many players to come together to be called a horde, is just good team participation, and if your not getting enough players to have a horde, you have no team participation.
The other country I was playing for had there "few" that tried, but just wasn't enough to make a different. So if playing as a team, is going to be called a horde then I'm in with the horde, because teamwork is a lot funner than just going around trying to defend against it with lessor numbers.
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Once again you post and prove that you are more interested in insulting people, squads and gameplay needlessly...these were your words from the last time you did this. I would respond directly to your asinine post but it is so vitriolic and demeaning to this game that it doesn't deserve that attention. In your opinion everything that hitech has developed and placed into this game = gay except for dogfiting which you define as high alt perch picking by your previous thread....good grief. Maybe a break would benefit more then just you.
Perch picking in previous thread? :huh
Perch picking sounds like a made up term... Did you make up this term?
Vas ist dis Perch Picking?? :huh
C'mon man.. We all know this is how it is.. Stop trying to be PC when you know everything I said to be true...
Jeeze, why does the truth so compel people to respond, but no respond??
Wussy....
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Where is your data from Sphincter? People who are afraid to fight... don't play. Nobody joins a mission, much less an NOE mission thinking they will not engage. It's just asinine.
And again..... I can only say this so many times. The NOE horde doesn't stop you from upping to defend. If you're too much a noseCat to do so.......... Not my problem.
It actually edited nosecat!!!!! Webster's says it's a word, I swear!!! BUT KNOW WHAT I REALLY CALL YOU!!!
I can tell you from personal experience (I'm not home so I can't post films of the stuff I have to show this) that when NOE missions don't go
well, no one is interested in fighting.. They cut and run and proceed to "steal" another base in some "safe" area of the map..
Some to the effect of "Alright guys, this ain't workin' for me....Let's go to so and so base....Nothing going on there...MAKE SURE YOU GUYS STAY UNDER 300FT".. They can't even get the "safe" NOE alt right..lol
I'm only voicing what many here already think and have already said numerous times over....
And the reason I brought up score was to show this: while in fighter mode, you cannot score (but you get perks) for destroying static targets..
Obviously in Attack, Bombing and GV's you get points for hitting anything.. You'll so almost no activity in the Fighter portion of the score category.. And if it is, there are only 4 or 5 kills and something over a 1.0 k/d.. Can't ruin that K/D after all... Very important!! :rofl
Let's face it, if score means something to someone, they'll do what ever is necessary to protect it.. Hence: Hordes, NOE missions, etc.
If that's how people roll, that's cool man.. What ever floats their man-boobs(manmary glands lol)....
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I think you missed the joke. lol
hate it when that happens
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when NOE missions don't go
well, no one is interested in fighting.. They cut and run and proceed to "steal" another base in some "safe" area of the map..
Ya, I see this happen too. Quite sissified.
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Once again you post and prove that you are more interested in insulting people, squads and gameplay needlessly...these were your words from the last time you did this. I would respond directly to your asinine post but it is so vitriolic and demeaning to this game that it doesn't deserve that attention. In your opinion everything that hitech has developed and placed into this game = gay except for dogfiting which you define as high alt perch picking by your previous thread....good grief. Maybe a break would benefit more then just you.
To elaborate a bit since I have a few minutes:
NOE=GAY
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Lol I don't have a problem with the squads mentioned except sometimes the seriousness that some of the players take this land grabbin. I was JOKING last night about a Stuka raid the knights were mounting on squad channel, that it would be funny to switch countries up DAS SCHWALBE and slaughter them for shi@s and giggles. Nearly instantly I got a message on country " JOIN US DON'T RAT US OUT" lol
someday they may understand that getting repeatedly picked over tank town during some really good fights and complaining about it on 200 till corky yells at you is the way to play :)
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Old topic ,, new thread! :huh.. If your base is flashing, defend it. No need to tell someone (enemy) what you are to do with them. ITS FREIKIN WAR![/font].. Tuk151
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Old topic ,, new thread! :huh.. If your base is flashing, defend it. No need to tell someone (enemy) what you are to do with them. ITS FREIKIN WAR![/font].. Tuk151
+1
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The NOE horde doesn't stop you from upping to defend.
By their very nature, NOE missions are designed to ensure maximum surprise and minimum exposure.
I bet if the defenders had more than 10 seconds warning you'd see a heck of a lot more defenders.
Try coming in at 5,000 feet. Youll get a fight pretty quick.
Only reason to go NOE is to avoid a fight. That simple.
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Try coming in at 5,000 feet.
Not enough. Rooks pounce from 30K.
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Not enough. Rooks pounce from 30K.
Just like cougars! meow. :lol
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Not enough. Rooks pounce from 30K.
Then make it 40K feet. Who cares? If you show a dar bar, they will come.
If you objective is to avoid a fight, go NOE. But don't sit here and pontificate about the failure of the defenders to up and fight when the first and only indication that their base is under attack is the stream of tracers passing the cockpit as they spool up their engine on the runway.
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If you objective is to avoid a fight, go NOE. But don't sit here and pontificate about the failure of the defenders to up and fight when the first and only indication that their base is under attack is the stream of tracers passing the cockpit as they spool up their engine on the runway.
Or the air raid warning sirens that have been blaring since the attack hit the radar ring... The biggest problem with this entire discussion is that nobody (both sides included) seems capable of discussing it honestly. On one side, it's "If only they would try and defend." When anyone with intellectual integrity knows that it is possible for an attack to be so large that it is impossible to defend against it. Then on the other side is stuff like this about no warning until bullets are whizzing past the cockpit on the runway. That isn't true either.
If anyone wanted to really advance the discussion, there would be more of an effort to honestly discuss it rather then simply throw around as many exagerations as possible to try and make a point.
PS - For the record, this isn't me taking a shot at you Saurdaukar. At least not entirely. More then anything, just pointing out that the discussion is idiotic and pointless because nothing will ever be solved as long as arguements packed full of hyperbole.
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PS - For the record, this isn't me taking a shot at you Saurdaukar. At least not entirely. More then anything, just pointing out that the discussion is idiotic and pointless because nothing will ever be solved as long as arguements packed full of hyperbole.
Take as many shots as you like. My statement stands because its accurate.
Sirens and flashing bases can indicate many things. Id estimate that 90% of the time, they indicate some dolt in a GV shooting at fighter hangers.
I'll pass on that exciting engagement.
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I have to agree with you Dave. There is a huge gap between those who enjoy the sport of dogfighting only, and those who enjoy dogfighting and all the other activities that Aces High have to offer. The two will never come together. For those who enjoy dogfighting only, there are not enough rules and organization, and for those who enjoy the total experience, there can never be enough chaos. Mind you I do not condone massive horde NOE's, there is just no reason for it. If I get a large group of Pigs together, you will see the DAR BAR coming. Of course then we are alt monkey picker gag twit horders, which is a whole different complaint. :D
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Then make it 40K feet. Who cares? If you show a dar bar, they will come.
If you objective is to avoid a fight, go NOE. But don't sit here and pontificate about the failure of the defenders to up and fight when the first and only indication that their base is under attack is the stream of tracers passing the cockpit as they spool up their engine on the runway.
been on several of Thundereggs JUG missions, if you can't spot a dar bar 2 sectors from the front line and moving 3-4 sectors then theres nothing anyone can provide to help you find a big mission besides a PM saying here we come. Which has been done before only to see no one show up for that either.
While I'm on climb out and flying to the target I'm watching the map for large dar bars moving and bases away from the fight.
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Old topic ,, new thread! :huh.. If your base is flashing, defend it. No need to tell someone (enemy) what you are to do with them. ITS FREIKIN WAR![/font].. Tuk151
It's a game!
For those that think it is war.... next time your shot down just go cancel your account as your dead.
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Lol I don't have a problem with the squads mentioned except sometimes the seriousness that some of the players take this land grabbin. I was JOKING last night about a Stuka raid the knights were mounting on squad channel, that it would be funny to switch countries up DAS SCHWALBE and slaughter them for shi@s and giggles. Nearly instantly I got a message on country " JOIN US DON'T RAT US OUT" lol
someday they may understand that getting repeatedly picked over tank town during some really good fights and complaining about it on 200 till corky yells at you is the way to play :)
LOL well, we were having fun. We have been discussing if this is in fact a mugging, as you dove in on 3 38s and we got you going back up. I think all three of us got hits :)
Can you mug someone going back up? :)
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LOL well, we were having fun. We have been discussing if this is in fact a mugging, as you dove in on 3 38s and we got you going back up. I think all three of us got hits :)
Can you mug someone going back up? :)
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GANGTARDS :huh :huh :rock That looks like it may have caused some (pants pooping) :lol
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Hording/NOE Missions...... :rofl
Base Capturing...... :rofl
People do these things because they can't/won't/are afraid to fight....
Bullcrap.
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Lets put it like this, I'll bet ya'll have played Monopoly. Win or loose the game is suppose to be fun. Wheelin and dealin just having fun with a bunch of friends. Now I'm sure we all know at least one player that takes the game a bit too serious, always works the deals to death getting every possible advantage they can. Plays as tight, or as cut throat a game as they can. This is the one player nobody likes to have in the game. They just suck the fun right out of it. It gets to the point that when people suggest "lets play!" and this person is in the game, most just say nawww, because they know it won't be fun, and after all thats what playing a game is suppose to be about, fun.
Now we're getting somewhere, Fugitive. You've admitted that it is nothing but a matter of preference for a certain playing style, and shown that you don't think anyone can legitimately prefer a different style than you do.
Has it occurred to you that maybe there are groups of people who LIKE playing cutthroat Monopoly? That they have more fun that way? Not if they play cutthroat and no one else does, but if everyone in the game plays that way?
This can be extended to many, many games. Poker. Croquet. Diplomacy. Tennis.
And Aces High.
Some people like to play a relaxed, friendly game and others like to push the game to the limit, as long as everyone obeys the rules and no fights break out. Some people enjoy both styles, depending on their mood and the circumstances.
This may seem strange and wrong to you, but it isn't. They're having just as much fun as you are, they're just doing it differently, in a way you personally wouldn't enjoy.
And as much as your group hates it when a player comes into your game and plays the way your group doesn't like, trust me, they hate it JUST as much, and just as legitimately, when you show up at one of their cutthroat games and spend three hours doing nothing but carping and whining and insulting everyone else for not playing the "right" way or being "nice" or "fun".
And that's exactly what you're continually doing on this forum.
Aces High isn't a Monopoly game with four players, it's a hall with 20 or 30 Monopoly games going at the same time, or a park with 20 or 30 croquet games, but the boundaries are not well-defined. Occasionally players with different styles will interfere with each other or people will end up in a group they're a poor match for, but 80% of the time, if you want to and are willing to make a minimal effort, you can play your way in one part of the room with other like-minded players while other people play their way in another part of the room.
But you and some other folks here aren't willing to do that. You'd rather toss insults around and whine and cry and hold your breath until all those other nasty people stop playing the way they like and start playing the way YOU approve of. And you say that if they don't, you'll eventually just take your mallet and your ball and go home, like several others have done.
That is the very definition of childish behavior.
The grownup way to handle the situation would be to stop feeling compelled to fight the hordes, let them do what they want, and just walk (fly) away, go to a different sector, and find a fight more to your liking. Stop letting it eat you up inside that somewhere else on the map others are doing something you think is pointless and stupid.
If you learn to do that instead of whining that it ain't like the good ol' days anymore, you'll be able to enjoy the game a lot more.
FYI, I'm one of the folks who enjoys both styles of croquet (etc.) and wouldn't want to see either go away. I play a mean game of Death Match Croquet.
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The grownup way to handle the situation would be to stop feeling compelled to fight the hordes, let them do what they want, and just walk (fly) away, go to a different sector, and find a fight more to your liking. Stop letting it eat you up inside that somewhere else on the map others are doing something you think is pointless and stupid.
Making hordlings cry is just about the only reason I log in anymore.
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How narrow a view of things you have! We are not talking about "just a horde", or just another "gang bang", or just another "divebombing lanc" where talking about a trend in game play. Check my score back in tour 62, MDJOE then. Its not much different than my scores now. I flew about the same amount of time, flew about the same number of sorties, helped capture a base or two, but I can tell you the game play was much better then, much more fun than there is now.
If you saw a gang bang it was only now and then, the same goes for dive bombing lancs and hordes. The problem is now they are becoming the normal way to play. Those that have played for only a year or two accept it because thats the way its always been for them. Thats why they look at me like I'm a nut, but see I remember when it wasn't this bad.
You'd rather toss insults around and whine and cry and hold your breath until all those other nasty people stop playing the way they like and start playing the way YOU approve of. And you say that if they don't, you'll eventually just take your mallet and your ball and go home, like several others have done.
When have I tossed around insults? I may have replied to some, but I don't toss them around. Also, seeing as this is a "discussion board" I'm discussing what I believe are problems in the game. Its not whining, its not complaining, and I'm not holding my breath for the likes of you or any other people on these boards. You don't want to join in the discussion, shove off mate! It looks like the reason you support the horde so much is because its the only place you can survive long enough to do anything other than grabbing alt to target. I don't "discuss" this stuff in the game. I will congratulate someone an a great HO or gang when I get frustrated enough, but I'm usually wayyyy too busy trying to keep my plane in the air to bother "discussing" things.
The only game play I'm looking to change is LAME game play. This game isn't about 20 people "sneaking a base", nor is it about 5 people chasing one enemy around seeing who can get the most rounds into him before they die to kill shooter.
You want to bring 5 guys to fight me I'm going to die, and most likely pretty quickly, wheres the fun in that? On the other hand have 3 of your buddies circle above while you and one other attack me. I should still be dead, but the out come isn't as sure a thing any more, more fun for all of us. If I get lucky and take out one of you guys, another drops in and it continues. If I ran into fights like that I'd up a hundred times and keep trying to beat you guys. 5 on 1 gets old fast, and you might get me to come back a couple times. Which is more fun, all night fighting a guy that comes back a bunch of times, or ganging 1 guy a couple times?
The same goes for base taking and GVs, if the fights fun, everyone keeps coming back. Thats why guys lost wifes, and jobs in the old days. The fight were so much fun it was ALWAYS..."OK, just one more". Today, you get into a fight like that only once in awhile. People get bored with the same steam roll and log, or get frustrated fighting the same lame crap and log.
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been on several of Thundereggs JUG missions, if you can't spot a dar bar 2 sectors from the front line and moving 3-4 sectors then theres nothing anyone can provide to help you find a big mission besides a PM saying here we come. Which has been done before only to see no one show up for that either.
While I'm on climb out and flying to the target I'm watching the map for large dar bars moving and bases away from the fight.
What does any of this have to do with NOE mishuns?
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seeing as this is a "discussion board" I'm discussing what I believe are problems in the game. Its not whining, its not complaining
Really no offense towards you intended, but---- you're not "discussing", you're filabustering.
You have been incessently hitting people over the head with your "opinion" on this subject for weeks!
If someone disagrees with your opinion on the matter, you start up all over again.
Just because you repeat something over and over and over again, it won't change alot of peoples mind on the subject, obviously.
If you expect people to respect "your" opinion, you should respect theirs also.
I think we know where you stand on the issue.
And while I can appreciate your passionate views on the subject , maybe you should realize that others are just as passionate about their views as you are, and just agree to disagree.
Its what happens when you get large groups of people together.
I neither agree or disagree with your postion.
If I'm in an area of the map where I find things I don't like, I move. Its ususally a pretty big map, lots to do.
No big deal really.
Its just a game.
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Bullcrap.
NO........................... ......
Total absolute truth proved over and over and over day after day always forever unto ages of ages wash rinse and repeat..... :rock
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Really no offense towards you intended, but---- you're not "discussing", you're filabustering.
You have been incessently hitting people over the head with your "opinion" on this subject for weeks!
If someone disagrees with your opinion on the matter, you start up all over again.
Just because you repeat something over and over and over again, it won't change alot of peoples mind on the subject, obviously.
If you expect people to respect "your" opinion, you should respect theirs also.
I think we know where you stand on the issue.
And while I can appreciate your passionate views on the subject , maybe you should realize that others are just as passionate about their views as you are, and just agree to disagree.
Its what happens when you get large groups of people together.
I neither agree or disagree with your postion.
If I'm in an area of the map where I find things I don't like, I move. Its ususally a pretty big map, lots to do.
No big deal really.
Its just a game.
How can you have a discussion with out replying to a reply? If people don't go back and forth voicing their ideas and opinions it just becomes a list of statements. I respect other peoples opinions and some have even changed mine, but not to debate a topic is silly. Who knows what might come of the discussions.
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Who knows what might come of the discussions.
Evidence thus far suggests nothing.
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Evidence thus far suggests nothing.
I was laughing at his respecting other opinions comment. If I had more time I'd go through and quote the nastier remarks he has made toward people who don't agree. Social misfit, lemming, 12 year old... Ya right, lots of respect there...
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It looks like the reason you support the horde so much is because its the only place you can survive long enough to do anything other than grabbing alt to target.
Now that's exactly what I'm talking about. You spout that kind of crap nonstop, I must have seen you say it 20 or 30 times in the last few months. You call people cowards and social misfits and HOers and everything else. And you're blowing smoke out your posterior.
You don't know the first thing about how I fly. I think I've seen you all of one time when I was flying Rooks, and I'm pretty sure I've never killed you or been killed by you. And yet you know enough to tell me exactly how good or bad I am and exactly how I choose to fly based on what? All you know about me are the opinions I express here and my rank. And we all know scores can't tell the first thing about what kind of flier you are, at MOST it's a very rough measure of skill (and I never claimed to be great or even above average in fighters).
So all you're left with is, people who think like me all suck, which is what you say here several times every day. Well, I can say everyone with an opinion like yours is a pinko four-flushing coupon-clipping HOing nerfherder, but what basis would I have for concluding that? None whatsoever. I have no idea whether you're a model citizen or whether you kick your dog, steal candy from small children, and camp spawn points. Which is why I don't make claims about how skilled or unskilled you are or how you like to fly or anything else about you EXCEPT the opinions you express here, which stink.
You're just BSing and that's all. And you're only going to persuade people NOT to listen to you that way.
And for the record, I have never said hordes were a good thing or that I prefer flying in them. All I've said is that what you keep whining about hordes is BS. Not the same thing at all.
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Evidence thus far suggests nothing.
Last time there was a big discussion on the boards we got split arenas.
I was laughing at his respecting other opinions comment. If I had more time I'd go through and quote the nastier remarks he has made toward people who don't agree. Social misfit, lemming, 12 year old... Ya right, lots of respect there...
And as I said, you start calling me names and drag the discussion into the mud I shovel it right back at you. Go ahead and hunt, you'll find some smart bellybutton remark was thrown at me so I returned the favor, but I very rarely ever start the mud slinging.
Now that's exactly what I'm talking about. You spout that kind of crap nonstop, I must have seen you say it 20 or 30 times in the last few months. You call people cowards and social misfits and HOers and everything else. And you're blowing smoke out your posterior.
You don't know the first thing about how I fly. I think I've seen you all of one time when I was flying Rooks, and I'm pretty sure I've never killed you or been killed by you. And yet you know enough to tell me exactly how good or bad I am and exactly how I choose to fly based on what? All you know about me are the opinions I express here and my rank. And we all know scores can't tell the first thing about what kind of flier you are, at MOST it's a very rough measure of skill (and I never claimed to be great or even above average in fighters).
So all you're left with is, people who think like me all suck, which is what you say here several times every day. Well, I can say everyone with an opinion like yours is a pinko four-flushing coupon-clipping HOing nerfherder, but what basis would I have for concluding that? None whatsoever. I have no idea whether you're a model citizen or whether you kick your dog, steal candy from small children, and camp spawn points. Which is why I don't make claims about how skilled or unskilled you are or how you like to fly or anything else about you EXCEPT the opinions you express here, which stink.
You're just BSing and that's all. And you're only going to persuade people NOT to listen to you that way.
And for the record, I have never said hordes were a good thing or that I prefer flying in them. All I've said is that what you keep whining about hordes is BS. Not the same thing at all.
Read above as to your comments about the mud slinging.
Loki, you've been flying what 6 months, and you got this stuff all figured out. Explain to what is "good" about horde. You've seen me go on and on about what I think is bad about them, whats good?
Yes I'm only guessing what type of player you are. I'm baseing it off what you say, how you say it, time in game, and the general over all game play of the majority of new players. Maybe I'll look you up and fly with you, get some first hand experience.
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Last time there was a big discussion on the boards we got split arenas.
Which did nothing to stop the hordes, did it?
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Which did nothing to stop the hordes, did it?
Or any of the other "unhealthy" behavior.
I like it.
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Or any of the other "unhealthy" behavior.
Indeed. I gained another 20lbs weight since the arena split :(
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Indeed. I gained another 20lbs weight since the arena split :(
<=== *points and laughs* :lol
*looks down at his own growing belly* :confused:
*quits laughing* :(
*Self explanitory* :cry
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And as I said, you start calling me names and drag the discussion into the mud I shovel it right back at you.
You've been rude and insulting since the first time I saw one of your posts (and I'm guessing before that as well). Calling people "lame" and saying they must have no skill since they don't play the way you'd prefer they play.
Loki, you've been flying what 6 months,
No. I've been flying HERE 6 months. I'm not 19 years old and this isn't the first online multiplayer WW2 flight sim game I've been in.
Explain to what is "good" about horde.
You don't read too well, do you? Or maybe you just don't bother to pay attention before spouting off again.
As I said just above: I never said hordes were good. I said your insults and claims about their effects were wrong.
For my own part, I tend to fly alone or with one other guy if I'm looking for a furball, I think fights of 3-5 fighters on 3-5 fighters are ideal, I *never* jump in as the 5th plane on one enemy or dive-bomb in Lancs, and I have more fun taking bases with 6 or 8 guys than 20 or 30. But I do like NOE 110 raids. If you don't, tough cookies.
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You've been rude and insulting since the first time I saw one of your posts (and I'm guessing before that as well). Calling people "lame" and saying they must have no skill since they don't play the way you'd prefer they play.
No. I've been flying HERE 6 months. I'm not 19 years old and this isn't the first online multiplayer WW2 flight sim game I've been in.
You don't read too well, do you? Or maybe you just don't bother to pay attention before spouting off again.
As I said just above: I never said hordes were good. I said your insults and claims about their effects were wrong.
For my own part, I tend to fly alone or with one other guy if I'm looking for a furball, I think fights of 3-5 fighters on 3-5 fighters are ideal, I *never* jump in as the 5th plane on one enemy or dive-bomb in Lancs, and I have more fun taking bases with 6 or 8 guys than 20 or 30. But I do like NOE 110 raids. If you don't, tough cookies.
I read very well, I'm thinking you and many others don't. In cases where I have called out lame game play people are assuming I'm talking about them. Again, I only call out those who try to call me out. Your posts almost always seem like your pissed off at me, and tend to come off sounding like your talking down your nose to me. Yes that will get my dander up and we can start calling each other names if you like.
I have a problem with lame game play, I could bring back my list, but why bother, you won't read it. If you play using those lame moves then I think your missing out on a whole lot of game. Those that hide in the horde are in most cases weak players. They have very little skill in fighting, dive bombing, level bombing, or in GV's. Just for giggles.... tho I've never posted the results because I prefer NOT to point fingers at people... I've checked the score 3 months back of those people that are in those posted pictures everyone posts about "hordes". For the most part, LESS THAN 10% can keep a positive k/d number. k/d is the easiest number to keep positive, and even an average player will maintain one WITHOUT even trying.
Unlike you, I've been here for years, and have seen all kinds of stuff come and go, players come and go, and game play come and go. I know it can be better, I've been there. It was easy to recognize the "newb" in the old days. Today, what most take as a newb is some one whos actually been hiding in a horde for over a year but still plays like a newb because they don't step outside the security blanket of the horde.
The reason I asked you to tell me what is good about the horde was because you seem to come down on me so hard about my opinion that I thought you find something good in them. You said my claim about their effects was wrong. Is that fact or opinion? I call BS. How would you know, you weren't here before the hordes. Unless you have info that HTC has had squirreled away all these years, you can't possibly know, the same goes for your opinion, you weren't here, but I was. Sure my memory may be failing, but I don't think so, so that leaves us with you just don't like me for some reason.
I don't see why people get pissed when I talk about this stuff. I'm voicing an opinion, I'm not FORCING anything on anybody. There are a number of people that I don't both reading their posts in some threads because they just piss me off with what they say, so I don't get involved. You don't like my opinion, fine, you don't have to read it.
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Now that's exactly what I'm talking about. You spout that kind of crap nonstop...blah blah blah
Pot, meet the kettle!
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It still comes across that some want to frolic in a utopian Aces High Country Club full of paying players who either are experten cartoon pilots or are aspiring to be. Snobs. Some are deemed inferior if you do not absolutely share in this purist way of thinking. Some assume subscribers just have all the time in the world to devote to "getting better". Not me. Just in it for friends and fun when I have time (which means you only have to gripe about my Jug missions once a week :rolleyes: I think you'll live). All you "country-clubbers" need now is a cartoon pilot's certificate/license framed and hung above your desk.
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It still comes across that some want to frolic in a utopian Aces High Country Club full of paying players who either are experten cartoon pilots or are aspiring to be. Snobs. Some are deemed inferior if you do not absolutely share in this purist way of thinking. Some assume subscribers just have all the time in the world to devote to "getting better". Not me. Just in it for friends and fun when I have time (which means you only have to gripe about my Jug missions once a week :rolleyes: I think you'll live). All you "country-clubbers" need now is a cartoon pilot's certificate/license framed and hung above your desk.
Now see, I really don't understand this "elitist" argument.
Could perhaps explain to me why you think that those of us who would much rather have a decent air-to-air engagement, the alternative being to fly around in a mindless cloud of aircraft with little hope of getting one of those aforementioned engagements, are "country clubbers?"
This has always puzzled me. Seems more like a personal inferiority thing than a game-related argument.
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All you "country-clubbers" need now is a cartoon pilot's certificate/license framed and hung above your desk.
Now that is pretty damn funny! :rofl :rofl :rofl
( I feel the tension building already )-------> life is good :aok
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Now see, I really don't understand this "elitist" argument.
Could perhaps explain to me why you think that those of us who would much rather have a decent air-to-air engagement, the alternative being to fly around in a mindless cloud of aircraft with little hope of getting one of those aforementioned engagements, are "country clubbers?"
This has always puzzled me. Seems more like a personal inferiority thing than a game-related argument.
It might be the fact that statements like "lack of skill , skilless dweebs, no skill so hide in a horde" etc. are thrown around like confetti.
You know that you won't find a "quality player" in a horde, why bother flying anywhere near it?
While some people may strive for the "skills", others are just fine wallowing in their own mediocrity.
There are quite a few "skilled" players in this game who should spend as much time working on their social skills as they did on aquiring
their silly game skills. THAT would be an improvement I would love to see in this game.
And while alot of us "skilless" players appreciate your gargantuan efforts to make us into better players, I think we're just fine and having fun without your help. But Thanks for your concern.
For those who want to improve their skills, there are the Trainers and I think they know how to find them.
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There are quite a few "skilled" players in this game who should spend as much time working on their social skills as they did on aquiring
their silly game skills. THAT would be an improvement I would love to see in this game.
And while alot of us "skilless" players appreciate your gargantuan efforts to make us into better players, I think we're just fine and having fun without your help. But Thanks for your concern.
Well said boner.
:salute
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It might be the fact that statements like "lack of skill , skilless dweebs, no skill so hide in a horde" etc. are thrown around like confetti.
It must be happening a lot then.
You know that you won't find a "quality player" in a horde, why bother flying anywhere near it?
Because often this is the only place where you can find targets.
others are just fine wallowing in their own mediocrity. "skilless" players we're just fine and having fun without your help.
It's a foreign concept for me that one would settle for mediocrity. At least as long as one has the potential to improve. I'm not anti horde, my stance on this is well documented, but people flying around in large flocks are missing out on some of the best fun of the game. If the hordelings are indeed having fun, bully for them, but it's a lot of fun to push one's own evelope and see the improvement as a result.
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It's a foreign concept for me that one would settle for mediocrity. At least as long as one has the potential to improve.
Some people don't "settle" for mediocrity, they strive for it because its the best they can do.
So lets call them names, that will make US feel superior.
Not everyone can aquire the "skills", no matter how hard they try.
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I read very well, I'm thinking you and many others don't.
You missed a whole section of my post.
I've checked the score 3 months back of those people that are in those posted pictures everyone posts about "hordes". For the most part, LESS THAN 10% can keep a positive k/d number. k/d is the easiest number to keep positive, and even an average player will maintain one WITHOUT even trying.
By "positive" do you mean a k/d ratio above 1? Bull. Well less than 1/4 of the people playing the game have that, and half the ones who do are vulching, picking, and milking it for all they're worth. And if you ever try to defend bases while heavily outnumbered you'll blow that ratio for your whole tour to hell in one night. I've lost 12 or 15 planes in one fight that way sometimes, because like everyone says, hey, they're just pixels, right?
This is the sort of BS logic you and some of the other panties-in-a-bunch crowd are always tossing off here. You say all the newer players suck and everyone who doesn't fly the way you like sucks, and define "suck" as not being in the top 5%. You're a fool. There are 2,000 people playing in LW this week who have the capability to get some kills and even some kills outside of a horde but get killed more often than they kill. And THOSE are the people who keep this business going. And even the guys who have a ratio of 0.2, you don't know if that's because they suck but can get a few by taking no risks, or if they're seeking out better foes. You can't see that from scroes.
The reason I asked you to tell me what is good about the horde was because you seem to come down on me so hard about my opinion that I thought you find something good in them.
In other words, you talked out your a**. Saying you're wrong doesn't mean everything you are against is right. It just means you're acting like a jerk and exaggerating everything you complain about. Hordes don't do the things you complain about because it's physically impossible, now, 5 years ago, or 10 years from now. They cannot force you to face 4-1 odds like you claim because they can only cover 1 or 2 sectors at a time on a map that has hundreds of sectors. They can still be lame and yet not like what you describe.
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You missed a whole section of my post.
By "positive" do you mean a k/d ratio above 1? Bull. Well less than 1/4 of the people playing the game have that, and half the ones who do are vulching, picking, and milking it for all they're worth. And if you ever try to defend bases while heavily outnumbered you'll blow that ratio for your whole tour to hell in one night. I've lost 12 or 15 planes in one fight that way sometimes, because like everyone says, hey, they're just pixels, right?
This is the sort of BS logic you and some of the other panties-in-a-bunch crowd are always tossing off here. You say all the newer players suck and everyone who doesn't fly the way you like sucks, and define "suck" as not being in the top 5%. You're a fool. There are 2,000 people playing in LW this week who have the capability to get some kills and even some kills outside of a horde but get killed more often than they kill. And THOSE are the people who keep this business going. And even the guys who have a ratio of 0.2, you don't know if that's because they suck but can get a few by taking no risks, or if they're seeking out better foes. You can't see that from scroes.
In other words, you talked out your a**. Saying you're wrong doesn't mean everything you are against is right. It just means you're acting like a jerk and exaggerating everything you complain about. Hordes don't do the things you complain about because it's physically impossible, now, 5 years ago, or 10 years from now. They cannot force you to face 4-1 odds like you claim because they can only cover 1 or 2 sectors at a time on a map that has hundreds of sectors. They can still be lame and yet not like what you describe.
What ever, with your 6 months of experience you have all the answers.
Today I got to fly in both arenas, blue had a bish horde hitting knight, and the rook horde was rolling bases through bish land.... great defense there :rolleyes: A few little dars bars were poping here and there and I chased them for an hour or two looking for fights, I show up, they disappear....mini hordes with not skill so they run when someone show up to fight :rolleyes:
Switched to Blue, rooks down to a few bases, rooks attacking on one front, knight attaking on other. See a factory flashing, so I swing by there hvy otw to front. guy towers out as I dive in, I circle for a bit, he comes back does same thing. Continue on to front get HOed by the two guys I run into. Get into a GV and help defend a town until I get one shot killed :rolleyes:
The GV was the only fun I had for a few hours, the rest of the time I'm avoiding hordes, looking for fights, and getting HOed on every merge when I do find some one who doesn't run, ya, there's no problem in the arenas, there are plenty of fights :rolleyes:
Well Loki, you continue to enjoy your mediocre game experiance. I'm done here, you can call someone else names, jump up and call me a liar. Some day after you grow up a bit you might, just might get it.
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Been reading some disturbing things about large groups of players called 'hordes'. It seems they are generally disliked because of the -usually- uneven numbers (attacker/defender-wise).
My question now is, if you announce your (horde) mission on 200 channel, would the horde be justified? It seems this would give the defenders a reasonable amount of time to up a horde-defence, and possibly a good fight.
Well it seems telling if a horde is coming pretty easy with all the dar bar / radar if its up....Unless noe....
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Some people don't "settle" for mediocrity, they strive for it because its the best they can do.
Hey, if you are going to converse with me, at least pay attention to what I type. I said:
It's a foreign concept for me that one would settle for mediocrity. At least as long as one has the potential to improve.
If someone is doing they best they can do, they don't have the potential to improve and thus, obviously, this means the aren't "settling" for anything.
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Now see, I really don't understand this "elitist" argument.
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Could perhaps explain to me why you think that those of us who would much rather have a decent air-to-air engagement, the alternative being to fly around in a mindless cloud of aircraft with little hope of getting one of those aforementioned engagements, are "country clubbers?"
Jeez the way you posed the question may be your first clue (psst...he wasn't actually talking about a "real country club"....i think he used the term "country clubbers" as a polite way of not being more insulting to someone who puts value on a cartoon game as more than just fun
This has always puzzled me. Seems more like a personal inferiority thing than a game-related argument.
Of course it would...because you see other human beings as inferior to you...in ths case because they don't share your cartoon game values...get a life dude...your own words reveal much about you
There are quite a few "skilled" players in this game who should spend as much time working on their social skills as they did on aquiring their silly game skills. THAT would be an improvement I would love to see in this game.
Quoted for truth...I am much more annoyed by pompous BBS twits and ch 200 trash talkers then I have ever been by being ganged, ho'ed, picked or vulched.
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Hey, if you are going to converse with me, at least pay attention to what I type. I said:
If someone is doing they best they can do, they don't have the potential to improve and thus, obviously, this means the aren't "settling" for anything.
I think my 1st sentence says the same thing as the above quote.
So we are in agreement.
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<=== *points and laughs* :lol
*looks down at his own growing belly* :confused:
*quits laughing* :(
*Self explanitory* :cry
Lost half a glass of Capt. and Ginger on that one!!
Thanks much! :salute
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Now see, I really don't understand this "elitist" argument.
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Could perhaps explain to me why you think that those of us who would much rather have a decent air-to-air engagement, the alternative being to fly around in a mindless cloud of aircraft with little hope of getting one of those aforementioned engagements, are "country clubbers?"
Jeez the way you posed the question may be your first clue (psst...he wasn't actually talking about a "real country club"....i think he used the term "country clubbers" as a polite way of not being more insulting to someone who puts value on a cartoon game as more than just fun
This has always puzzled me. Seems more like a personal inferiority thing than a game-related argument.
Of course it would...because you see other human beings as inferior to you...in ths case because they don't share your cartoon game values...get a life dude...your own words reveal much about you
Ignoring your total inability to format a simple BBS post, you didnt answer my question.
Try again?
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Ignoring your total inability to format a simple BBS post, you didnt answer my question.
Try again?
Wouldn't change anything...I'm done :huh
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Quit when the defense shows up?
Sounds like a horde to me! :rofl