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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Rich46yo on June 03, 2009, 04:52:49 AM
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Heres my vote. http://www.warbirdalley.com/rata.htm
A re-enactment of that war http://www.winterwar.com/mainpage.htm would be fun. But now we need an early war Soviet fighter.
We could also do a Spanish civil war with it. A Khalkin-Gol incident.....ect
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Sounds like another one of those cases regarding putting the planes everybody wants on hold to add a fighter that outside of special events will just get its A#% kicked all up and down the MA.
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Sounds like another one of those cases regarding putting the planes everybody wants on hold to add a fighter that outside of special events will just get its A#% kicked all up and down the MA.
Out of curiousity, what aircraft would those be?
To counter your comment, I would point out that the FSO is averaging approximately 500 pilots on any given Friday night. I've never flown the senarios, but it seems reasonable that special events are a huge part of the game now. The "hangar queens" as everyone refers to them, will, and do play a major part of making each event more realistic. There's more to Aces high than just dusting it up in the MA's
Question, does anyone have the number averages for the senarios?
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Sounds like another one of those cases regarding putting the planes everybody wants on hold to add a fighter that outside of special events will just get its A#% kicked all up and down the MA.
Care to rattle off some of the "existing fighters"?
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not exactly in every case but wasn't the P-39 a widely requested add on to the game only to become a "drag queen"
I understand it would still be useful in the FSO and special event's, being why I mentioned that in the first place if you all were paying attention to my last post. But in the MA (Main Arena) it would probably just get owned 9 times out of 10. Not exactly sure but I heard it was replaced by the F4F wildcat in WWII and that even bird doesn't hardly see the use it should.
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not exactly in every case but wasn't the P-39 a widely requested add on to the game only to become a "drag queen"
I understand it would still be useful in the FSO and special event's, being why I mentioned that in the first place if you all were paying attention to my last post. But in the MA (Main Arena) it would probably just get owned 9 times out of 10. Not exactly sure but I heard it was replaced by the F4F wildcat in WWII and that even bird doesn't hardly see the use it should.
For years this Community called the Ki-61 a "POS". While they still will, there is a certain "respect" for the bird as I and others embarrassed many in it.
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And I'm sure people would hold this plane with that same respect were it to be added. I just think we should focus on adding aircraft that will see more all around use instead of just for certain scenarios.
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Anything that can turn as well or better than average is guaranteed a certain number of kills from those who attempt to turn with it.
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And I'm sure people would hold this plane with that same respect were it to be added. I just think we should focus on adding aircraft that will see more all around use instead of just for certain scenarios.
Why? No matter what you add things will stay much the same in the MA, or merely shift from one plane to another.
Beside some bombers you could argue to be added (Tu-2 and the A-26), pretty much whatever you add, the game will continue to be dominated by the same aircraft. We already have the best of the best, now it's time to fill in the rest.
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For years this Community called the Ki-61 a "POS". While they still will, there is a certain "respect" for the bird as I and others embarrassed many in it.
Shot down a Hog and HellKitty first time I flew it, in FSO. I'd call it superior to the Zero, all things considered.
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Why? No matter what you add things will stay much the same in the MA, or merely shift from one plane to another.
Beside some bombers you could argue to be added (Tu-2 and the A-26), pretty much whatever you add, the game will continue to be dominated by the same aircraft. We already have the best of the best, now it's time to fill in the rest.
So people will still fly lancs and 17s if we had B-29s and He-177s?
don't get me wrong, I'm not against this plane at all. I just think there would be better things that HTC could throw their time at like giving the Russians and Italians more toys to play with instead of giving us another out of date fighter.
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So people will still fly lancs and 17s if we had B-29s and He-177s?
The majority of people will still fly B17's and Lancasters if those two are added because;
The B29 would have to be perked so it will remain fairly rare,
and the He177 doesn't carry any of the name recognition that the B17, B24, Lancaster etc. hold. Even in the MA this is important, as evidenced by the popularity of the P51.
Also I think that many bomber pilots would not like the He 177 because of the guns; 20mms sound sweet, but with the popularity of the M2 .50 cal and it's insane velocity and laser flat trajectory, I think learning a new harder to aim gun, that you can't hit people at 1.0k+ with, would be too much for many.
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I think both bombers should be perked if added. The B-29 for obvious reasons that still have fighter jocks and furballers whining and bickering in about twenty other threads, and the He-177 because if not it would just become another giant suicide machine. although 177stuka just doesnt have the same ring to it.
As a matter of fact, I think they should perk all bombers that hold more than 4000lbs of ord. in my opinion.
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And I'm sure people would hold this plane with that same respect were it to be added. I just think we should focus on adding aircraft that will see more all around use instead of just for certain scenarios.
If you have 10 planes that see all the use? A new one either won't crack that list or will replace one of those ten for the most part.
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not exactly in every case but wasn't the P-39 a widely requested add on to the game only to become a "drag queen"
I understand it would still be useful in the FSO and special event's, being why I mentioned that in the first place if you all were paying attention to my last post. But in the MA (Main Arena) it would probably just get owned 9 times out of 10. Not exactly sure but I heard it was replaced by the F4F wildcat in WWII and that even bird doesn't hardly see the use it should.
I don't think that the P-39 was replaced by the F4F as the P-39 was land based and the F4F was more of a naval plane, so, don't know for sure, but I'd assume that's like saying that AWACS replaced the battleship...
I think that hanger queens get the nickname they do because of the widespread use of the 'uber' planes. Hell, the p-39's always a fun ride, the mossy, a blast (got a good pic of my mossy blowing a p39 outta the sky. :)), it's all about who wants to take the time to learn them. Each plane has it's plus and minuses. And part of being a good 'pilot' is knowing how to use your planes disadvantages to your advantage. Take the p-40 for example, slow and stalls easy, put her into a good stall fight and and pull up, stall your plane out, work the stall, and you can easily have the upper hand. Knowing your aircraft is 3/4 of the battle. The other 1/4 is who's in the other plane. :)
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I don't think that the P-39 was replaced by the F4F as the P-39 was land based and the F4F was more of a naval plane, so, don't know for sure, but I'd assume that's like saying that AWACS replaced the battleship...
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The buffalo tigger, the buffalo was replaced by the F4F. We were talking about something completely different with the P-39.
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wasn't the buffalo the flying version of the clown car?
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not exactly in every case but wasn't the P-39 a widely requested add on to the game only to become a "drag queen"
Umm... no. It's just most people don't have the attention span to actually learn it's quirks, and learn the plane in itself.
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I wonder if there will be an addition of a Ruski aircraft for the Brewster to shoot holes into? Kinda lacks targets with the current planeset. Needs the Rata or SB-2 :D
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I think both bombers should be perked if added. The B-29 for obvious reasons that still have fighter jocks and furballers whining and bickering in about twenty other threads, and the He-177 because if not it would just become another giant suicide machine. although 177stuka just doesnt have the same ring to it.
As a matter of fact, I think they should perk all bombers that hold more than 4000lbs of ord. in my opinion.
The B-29 is no.1001 on the list of 1001 things Aces High needs. There is no valid necessity for it. The Beaufighter, I.A.R. 81c, Swordfish, He-111, Ju-52, G4M, Catalina and D.520 are way the hell out in front of it. Not only Special Events, but a more broad representation on the participants in WWII.
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wasn't the buffalo the flying version of the clown car?
No, but we are hearing rumors that an ambulance will be modeled allowing us to strafe the wounded en route to hospital.
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And I'm sure people would hold this plane with that same respect were it to be added. I just think we should focus on adding aircraft that will see more all around use instead of just for certain scenarios.
I'll most definitely put the Buffalo through it's paces. It does something great, that I enjoy doing, it turns good. I don't care about running from fights, picking, vultching, etc. That's the problem with this Community, some are confused on why they originally signed up for the game.
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The B-29 is no.1001 on the list of 1001 things Aces High needs. There is no valid necessity for it. The Beaufighter, I.A.R. 81c, Swordfish, He-111, Ju-52, G4M, Catalina and D.520 are way the hell out in front of it. Not only Special Events, but a more broad representation on the participants in WWII.
I know i'm sort of new to this game and haven't tried all the planes yet but even I think I'd prefer the B-29 over a post WWII torpedo bomber. I'm thinking since Iv'e found about 20 other threads on the B-29 and about another 20 bringing it up at some point durring the thread (you can throw this one up on that list now :aok) it looks like more people, definately including me, would rather have the 29 over the planes you just mentioned.
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I know i'm sort of new to this game and haven't tried all the planes yet but even I think I'd prefer the B-29 over a post WWII torpedo bomber. I'm thinking since Iv'e found about 20 other threads on the B-29 and about another 20 bringing it up at some point durring the thread (you can throw this one up on that list now :aok) it looks like more people, definately including me, would rather have the 29 over the planes you just mentioned.
I listed no "Post-WWII Torpedo Bomber". My statement still stands.
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it sounds like he was talking about the sordfish. probably ment to say WWI.
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The Swordfish sunk some of the most prominent Naval Ships of WWII.
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oops, my bad. yeah i was talking about the sordfish. I tried using the JU88 the other day to sink a carrier :cry and it looks pretty suicidal. I don't think adding any another torp bird is gonna change those odds at all.
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The Swordfish sunk some of the most prominent Naval Ships of WWII.
actually I think the sordfish only wounded the biz. thr royal navy took care of the rest.
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actually I think the sordfish only wounded the biz. thr royal navy took care of the rest.
Spell check often?
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The Swordfish sunk some of the most prominent Naval Ships of WWII.
This doesn't say a thing about its capabilities, other than to drop a torpedo.
In the time, it probably was the only torpedo-bomber which could be put to use in numbers.
Other than numbers, the Fish's only advantage would be manoeuvrability and STOL capability!
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This doesn't say a thing about its capabilities, other than to drop a torpedo.
In the time, it probably was the only torpedo-bomber which could be put to use in numbers.
Other than numbers, the Fish's only advantage would be manoeuvrability and STOL capability!
No, most Ship's Anti-Aircraft could not take into account it's slow speed. This is precisely how the Bismarck became a sitting duck. Unfortunately, the Scharnhorst raid was different and wasn't executed properly.
But, the Swordfish would be a more viable plane, than the B-29.
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But, the Swordfish would be a more viable plane, than the B-29.
Absolutely, as would the CR42.
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This doesn't say a thing about its capabilities, other than to drop a torpedo.
In the time, it probably was the only torpedo-bomber which could be put to use in numbers.
Other than numbers, the Fish's only advantage would be manoeuvrability and STOL capability!
You don't know much about the Stringbag. I know you have an irrational hate of the Spitfire, but are you anti every British aircraft?
If it was so useless, i wonder why it was in service longer than the replacement Albacore, and it went on to use rocket projectiles and radar in the maritime patrol role? I cannot think of another radar equipped biplane?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/Three_rocket_projectile_Fairey_Swordfish.jpg)
(http://www.aviastar.org/pictures/england/fairey_swordfish.gif)
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So people will still fly lancs and 17s if we had B-29s and He-177s?
don't get me wrong, I'm not against this plane at all. I just think there would be better things that HTC could throw their time at like giving the Russians and Italians more toys to play with instead of giving us another out of date fighter.
There are other arenas other than the Late War arenas that need their planesets filled by "out of date" fighters. I guess some people are just stuck in the late war, fast plane with a lot of cannon mind set.
ack-ack
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Alot of people play the game JUST FOR the special events. For that reason we need to look beyond whether it would be a "hangar queen" in the LW arenas or not.
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The B-29 is no.1001 on the list of 1001 things Aces High needs. There is no valid necessity for it. The Beaufighter, I.A.R. 81c, Swordfish, He-111, Ju-52, G4M, Catalina and D.520 are way the hell out in front of it. Not only Special Events, but a more broad representation on the participants in WWII.
great point.
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not exactly in every case but wasn't the P-39 a widely requested add on to the game only to become a "drag queen"
I understand it would still be useful in the FSO and special event's, being why I mentioned that in the first place if you all were paying attention to my last post. But in the MA (Main Arena) it would probably just get owned 9 times out of 10. Not exactly sure but I heard it was replaced by the F4F wildcat in WWII and that even bird doesn't hardly see the use it should.
I see plenty of people flying P-39s. Hell, I'll take the occasional P-39.
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This doesn't say a thing about its capabilities, other than to drop a torpedo.
In the time, it probably was the only torpedo-bomber which could be put to use in numbers.
Other than numbers, the Fish's only advantage would be manoeuvrability and STOL capability!
Out of curiosity, did it have any forward mounted guns? :D
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not exactly in every case but wasn't the P-39 a widely requested add on to the game only to become a "drag queen"
Run into Stang in a 39... tell me how long till your seated comfy in the tower.
Almost forgot. Rich best idea you have had. ;)
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oops, my bad. yeah i was talking about the sordfish. I tried using the JU88 the other day to sink a carrier :cry and it looks pretty suicidal. I don't think adding any another torp bird is gonna change those odds at all.
Please, let me rephrase...
Because I suck, I want an uber plane to make me look better than I am.
There...
I'd love to see the swordfish and hey, don't forget the Dornier Do 217. :)
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actually I think the sordfish only wounded the biz. thr royal navy took care of the rest.
Erm?
Yes, it only wounded it, but how critically? I would say that if not for the swordfish, she wouldn't of been sunk
Following an abortive air strike that afternoon in which fourteen Swordfish mistakenly attacked (but missed) Sheffield, a second strike of fifteen Swordfish took off from Ark Royal at 1910 that evening. Over the next hour or so, in conditions of low clouds, strong winds, and fading daylight, the aircraft released thirteen torpedoes in a series of attacks against the German battleship. While the poor weather made these attacks difficult, it also threw off the aim of the German antiaircraft gunners, and no planes were lost. Two torpedoes struck Bismarck, one with little effect, but the other wrecked her steering gear and jammed the rudder. This lucky blow sealed her fate. Slowed to a crawl by the damage, Bismarck could no longer escape her converging pursuers.
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Erm?
Yes, it only wounded it, but how critically? I would say that if not for the swordfish, she wouldn't of been sunk
Exactly. If the torpedoes from the Swordfish didn't hit the rudders on the Bismark and jam them, the Bismark would have made it to safe waters and air cover from the Luftwaffe. So, while it can be said that the Swordfish didn't sink the Bismark, the Swordfish did put the final nail in Bismark's coffin.
ack-ack
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Exactly. If the torpedoes from the Swordfish didn't hit the rudders on the Bismark and jam them, the Bismark would have made it to safe waters and air cover from the Luftwaffe. So, while it can be said that the Swordfish didn't sink the Bismark, the Swordfish did put the final nail in Bismark's coffin.
ack-ack
The Bismarck's guns could not properly target the Swordfish as the plane was too slow and threw off the crew (and system IIRC).
A "POS Biplane" (dubbed as such by a few in here) was a thorn in the side of an Excellent German Kreigsmarine. I guarantee you, they respected that plane when they saw it. Listening to Curval's guest from Bermuda at the 2003 Con, that was a Swordfish pilot was in the least, incredible.
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Unfortunately, for the Swordfish to be really viable, there will have to be a way for HTC to model out the US1945 task force AA capabilities in the EW / MW to something more akin to the Italian 1940 AA capabilities.
Real life gunners may have had a problem tracking a slow target -- the game doesn't seem to have that same difficulty.
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Unfortunately, for the Swordfish to be really viable, there will have to be a way for HTC to model out the US1945 task force AA capabilities in the EW / MW to something more akin to the Italian 1940 AA capabilities.
Real life gunners may have had a problem tracking a slow target -- the game doesn't seem to have that same difficulty.
I don't know.... Ack seems to be able to miss me in a parachute, yet constantly nail m going 500+ in a jet.
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One of the books i'm currently reading is 'War in a stringbag' by Charles Lamb, he was shot down and forced to ditch into the sea by stukas- which he described as travelling at lightning speed. :D
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For years this Community called the Ki-61 a "POS". While they still will, there is a certain "respect" for the bird as I and others embarrassed many in it.
+1 to the ki-61 not being a POS lol i dont really enjoy fling it but it gives me a heck of a run for my money :D I'm glad not many people fly them :)
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I think the problem people have with the Ki61 is that on top of a middling performance envelope, the torque really bites. The kind of rudder work it requires is probably what turns off most people.
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I don't use rudder in it and only used it in loops to line up a quality shot. All I see is most people "picking" in it when I come across them. They have no clue on how it turns, which is why I've shot everyone down so far. I know what it's capable of.
4XTCH is the best all around guy in the Ki-61 right now, IMO. He doesn't rely on picking and will get down and dirty like I used to do. I taught him well and he can get it to turn nicely.
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+1 to the ki-61 not being a POS lol i dont really enjoy fling it but it gives me a heck of a run for my money :D I'm glad not many people fly them :)
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I'll look for you one of these nights. I'll let you join my ride and hopefully get into a good fight (I will end up getting ganged though) and try to maximize your instincts in the Ki-61.
I've only taught 2 people so far and they are the only ones who STILL fly it. Nisky and 4X. They are good in it, very good actually.
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when it is all said and done: i'd just as soon have the Grumman F3F-3 which preceeded the Buffalo. But, it is nice to open a new country for a/c inclussion by HTC
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...which he described as travelling at lightning speed. :D
Good stuff!! :D :D :rofl
Well, it's only funny when you know that the chap survived it tho! :)
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No, most Ship's Anti-Aircraft could not take into account it's slow speed. This is precisely how the Bismarck became a sitting duck. Unfortunately, the Scharnhorst raid was different and wasn't executed properly.
But, the Swordfish would be a more viable plane, than the B-29.
Hmmm..... Drop 20,000lbs of bombs at an "untouchable" altitude, or fly 90mph face first into a waiting 5 inchers sights...... oh I just cant choose which one I like, they both sound so good.
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Quick check on Soviet aircraft of that era, and stationed at that front, the FAF most likely faced. First the Winter War http://www.sci.fi/~ambush/faf/faf.html And then The Continuation War, "the Buffalos war" http://www.sci.fi/~ambush/faf/faf.html
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And I'm sure people would hold this plane with that same respect were it to be added. I just think we should focus on adding aircraft that will see more all around use instead of just for certain scenarios.
So what we need are more late war cannon fodder planes?
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Sounds like another one of those cases regarding putting the planes everybody wants on hold to add a fighter that outside of special events will just get its A#% kicked all up and down the MA.
Hush, the addition of aircraft is not your decision. Remember that you are allowed to access the wonderful world that we call Aces High. Besides, there are other people who want aircraft that will be "Late War Cannon Fodder" as the LWA is not the only arena open for business.
Bring on the I-16, G4M1, Ki-43, and whatever "inferior" aircraft have yet to be added.