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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: LLogann on June 10, 2009, 09:28:18 AM
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Defending your buff's is sometimes a far more important characteristic then the bombing itself.... Afterall, you do need to reach your target.
Defensive kills currently do not count towards your score, only perk points.
Please add another Bomber Scoring Cat:
Defensive Kills
Make it not as valuable as bombing kills but they should count nonetheless.
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I'm all up for it, defending your bomber is a true art, and should be rewarded (besides the satisfaction of seeing that high perked fighter tumbling down) :D
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Please add another Bomber Scoring Cat:
Defensive Kills
I am all for it. Give them some credit when bombers defend their planes well. You know this will have 999000 drewling don't you? :uhoh
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Either that or just add them to the overall score. A kill is a kill.
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And when you have enough defensive points, you can buy bigger guns for your bomber :D
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I agree...
You should be rewarded for killing that spitsteen that chases you for 3 sectors and dies in one burst or shooting down 4 of the blood thirsty horde of cons looking for an "easy kill." :salute
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Nothing is better!!! And they never come in together the silly fools..... I try to tell them on 200 and everything. "Wait for the 190 Spitty.... trust me" :lol
...shooting down 4 of the blood thirsty horde of cons looking for an "easy kill." :salute
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Roger that, I can't count the amount of planes I've had chase me for practically an hour all the way up to 36k just to get smoked. To add to this thread, I believe the pilot of the fighter should get something for his efforts too..... like a giant middle finger flashing across his screene. :rofl
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I believe the pilot of the fighter should get something for his efforts too..... like a giant middle finger flashing across his screene. :rofl
OR...
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Perfect examples right here....
http://www.mediafire.com/file/5zuwiqkazld/B-17
http://www.mediafire.com/file/bty5kmziitt/Red420
Oh and yes, I hope red420 does come through here and sees himself getting owned by a drunk buff pilot.
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Great idea!!!!!! Gotta love killing 262's while in Lancasters and Ki-67's. This should be a ranking category in bombers for fighter kills. :aok
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Defending your buff's is sometimes a far more important characteristic then the bombing itself.... Afterall, you do need to reach your target.
Defensive kills currently do not count towards your score, only perk points.
Please add another Bomber Scoring Cat:
Defensive Kills
Make it not as valuable as bombing kills but they should count nonetheless.
I can get on-board with this IF FORMATIONS GET PERKED! If you want to get a score for shooting bandits, then it should be for a solo BUFF.
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:aok
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I can get on-board with this IF FORMATIONS GET PERKED! If you want to get a score for shooting bandits, then it should be for a solo BUFF.
Really... shooting down your average MA 'interceptor' is childishly easy with formations.
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No way... You open the door for the proper destroyers like the Mossie, 110G, Ta152, etc, to totally decimate bombers. You're setting the balance at +- the 109G14's level, and perking formations (the real balance against proper destroyers) but not the above bomber killers. That doesn't work. No one will fly bombers anymore.
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No way... You open the door for the proper destroyers like the Mossie, 110G, Ta152, etc, to totally decimate bombers. You're setting the balance at +- the 109G14's level, and perking formations (the real balance against proper destroyers) but not the above bomber killers. That doesn't work. No one will fly bombers anymore.
whaaaaa. get an escort for your for your formations then if you are afraid of "proper" interceptors. but as motherland said:
Really... shooting down your average MA 'interceptor' is childishly easy with formations.
so if ppl want the opportunity for bomber kills on "interceptors" to count, then there should be a risk associated with using formations to improve their score. like losing perks. other suggestions a welcome also.
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It's not about fear. I don't fly formations. It's just plain fact that formations are the only way to make bombers viable. If anything... It's guys who can't shoot down bombers on their own, or lead a couple of wingmen for a proper attack on a three-ship if their planes aren't lethal enough, that are whining here.
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He's right!!! Myself, or the likes of 999000, know full well that a single bomber, be it a 24 or 17, but nonetheless, that single bomber isn't going to kill much. Last night I landed 10 kills in 24's, most with a drone missing...... When #2 went down, it was time to go home. Only 2 of these were ground enemies. Only 2 of those will count towards bomber rank.
It's not about fear. I don't fly formations. It's just plain fact that formations are the only way to make bombers viable. If anything... It's guys who can't shoot down bombers on their own, or lead a couple of wingmen for a proper attack on a three-ship if their planes aren't lethal enough, that are whining here.
Patting myself on the back for a moment:
(http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/images.php/i2302_10Kills.JPG)
LLogann: Nice job LL.
LLogann: Thank you very much.
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And when you have enough defensive points, you can buy bigger guns for your bomber :D
I'd hate to see 999000 with 20s or 30mm cannons...
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But staying on track.... Nothing to do with perks. You get perks for killing fighters.
Strictly adding a category in which you are credited with those defensive gun kills.
And when you have enough defensive points, you can buy bigger guns for your bomber :D
I'd hate to see 999000 with 20s or 30mm cannons...
:salute
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I think it makes sense.
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But staying on track.... Nothing to do with perks. You get perks for killing fighters.
Strictly adding a category in which you are credited with those defensive gun kills.
fine, since you don't like the iodea of free solos & perked formations. then how about this:
your bomber hit% is determined by both your bomb drops & your firing of those defensive guns.
Otherwise this is "wanting the milk without paying for the cow" kinda stuff.
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Free solos & perked formations, and bomber hit% are independent elements.
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Free solos & perked formations, and bomber hit% are independent elements.
you are entirely correct, which is why I used a "." to separate the two elements from each other in my preceding post. :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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In no way, shape or form. Nothing to do with anything other then Defensive Kills. Same way Field Captures are a bomber ranking method.......... Bombing hit percentage, is just that, Bombs.... that hit.
Otherwise this is "wanting the milk without paying for the cow" kinda stuff.
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YES I AGREE WITH LOGANN.THATS A GREAT IDEA.
OPPERATIONS OFFICER:GrnEagle dickweed heavy bomber group
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perk teh formationz thin it wood be gud
i liek mudkipz :rock
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I agree, a kill is a kill, it should count towards something....
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And when you have enough defensive points, you can buy bigger guns for your bomber :D
Not possible as I don't think too many bombers had anything else but 50's or 30's or 303's during WWII B29 the only exception I can think of. How ever if you could transfer ammunition around the plane as they did now your talking :aok
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How ever if you could transfer ammunition around the plane as they did now your talking :aok
Now this I like. I'd move all the nose & waist ammo to the rear; maybe it will improve climb-rate too! :x
Of course the lancTards would just be SOL.
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I completely agree with this request...
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Not possible as I don't think too many bombers had anything else but 50's or 30's or 303's during WWII B29 the only exception I can think of. How ever if you could transfer ammunition around the plane as they did now your talking :aok
Ki-67 has a 20mm in the top turret :)
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Sir Logann, I think you have a great idea here!!!!!!! Although there is strategy in flying Bombers and defending them....A very skilled fighter pilot will make you look silly....My thoughts are simply these..........Its fun to fly into your target base at about 9-10k alt..at this alt you stand at leat a 50-50 chance of making it back to base........The idea is to fly into a base high enouph that most enemy will be attacking from below..doesn't matter which direction as long as the enemy is low. If they are attacking low 6 just as they close to within 1000 I like to pull up a hundred feet quickly ..level off ..this keeps the enemy fighter from shooting first most times and pulls him with in 600-800 ..using FULL ZOOM its usually a quick burst slight lead shot...if the plane is a mossie or 110 you just want to chip a wing off ..they them fall off and are no longer a threat.
After your drop and hopefully a kill or two...... or more?.....you will ultimately run low on ball turret ammo. Obviously be heading home ..opps got to go will contunies later
999000 <S>
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I agree with this request, this should go to your bombing score.
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Sir Logann, .....cont. so having hopefully shot down a couple of fighters , and reached and bombed target ..you find your usually running low on ammo in the ball or lower guns.....so best defence is to start heading home lower and faster because obviously you still have all you upper turret and usually a fair amoout of tail gun ammo left..if thing s work out well because your moving fast and low most bad guys will end up on your tail or slightly higher closing slowly making them easy targets. Also some of the guys you might have shot down on the way in have upper to seek revenge but will also be low and slow.
Finally, if your down to one bomber all shot up with guns out and ammo critical ..you will usually still have guns and ammo in the nose.....fight like a fighter!..noything wrong with HO'ing a fighter! you might take them by suprise......if extremely desprate situations you have to fly under the trees and use your wasit guns!
999000 <S>
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...Thanks for the lesson sir. Some people say you're as good as I am. :salute
Sir Logann, .....cont. so having hopefully shot down a couple of fighters , and reached and bombed target ..you find your usually running low on ammo in the ball or lower guns.....so best defence is to start heading home lower and faster because obviously you still have all you upper turret and usually a fair amoout of tail gun ammo left..if thing s work out well because your moving fast and low most bad guys will end up on your tail or slightly higher closing slowly making them easy targets. Also some of the guys you might have shot down on the way in have upper to seek revenge but will also be low and slow.
Finally, if your down to one bomber all shot up with guns out and ammo critical ..you will usually still have guns and ammo in the nose.....fight like a fighter!..noything wrong with HO'ing a fighter! you might take them by suprise......if extremely desprate situations you have to fly under the trees and use your wasit guns!
999000 <S>
Lessons aside, wouldn't you prefer to have your kills count towards your bomber score? Afterall, that's what we're talking about here.
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Sir LLogann, You know whats kinda funny ..I play the game for fun ..never really paid attention to points ..I have to addmitte I didn't even realize the it didn't count to bomber scores!
/but HELL YESS IT SHOULD!
<S> 999000
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<S> 999000 You're one of the good ones sir! And without a doubt the most worthy of Numbered Humans! :D
Sir LLogann, You know whats kinda funny ..I play the game for fun ..never really paid attention to points ..I have to addmitte I didn't even realize the it didn't count to bomber scores!
but HELL YESS IT SHOULD!
<S> 999000
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I agree, a kill is a kill, it should count towards something....
5" guns also? It also gives one person enhanced firepower as does a formation of B-17s.
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<S> 999000 You're one of the good ones sir! And without a doubt the most worthy of Numbered Humans! :D
+1 :aok
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Instead of starting a new thread, I'll just bump this one.......
Defending your buff's is sometimes a far more important characteristic then the bombing itself.... Afterall, you do need to reach your target.
Defensive kills currently do not count towards your score, only perk points.
Please add another Bomber Scoring Cat:
Defensive Kills
Make it not as valuable as bombing kills but they should count nonetheless.
:salute
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I could keep bumping this or email the boys at HTC so they actually read it and offer WHY this isn't the way it is?
What should I do?
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Don't worry, I'll bump it for you :)
Good wish!
999000 must be thrilled with this :D
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I love you frank!
999000<S>
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I have wondered why HTC does not track gunner/observer kills either...They should, since some people like to gun for others. That should be a separate category too. I agree with LLogan, add kills category, NOW! :pray
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I have wondered why HTC does not track gunner/observer kills either...They should, since some people like to gun for others. That should be a separate category too. I agree with LLogan, add kills category, NOW! :pray
Got to get the kills first Grape ;)
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I will have you know, Sir, that I have TWO gunner/observer kills! Thank you. Would be nice if my kids were not working for the BISH as sabotuers (how to spell that?), I might have more kills if they went to Grandma's for a whole tour...Maybe next tour. :t
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HAHA.... Perhaps you should be working for the Bish also!
I will have you know, Sir, that I have TWO gunner/observer kills! Thank you. Would be nice if my kids were not working for the BISH as sabotuers (how to spell that?), I might have more kills if they went to Grandma's for a whole tour...Maybe next tour. :t
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great another score tards way lol
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Brother........ You DO NOT fly bombers.
great another score tards way lol
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See Rule #10.
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I guess I'm the lonely voice of dissent here. I'm against it.
I see the reincarnation of the death star in a slightly different format; groups of three or more formations all with gunners on board flying low through furballs ripping apart the unsuspecting fighters with no intention whatsoever to bomb anything.
Been there done that. Don't need to see it again.
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Sir, your point is very valid...... However, I don't believe that adding the Defensive Kills to the Scoring System will increase or decrease such things. Call me a tard but if I can up 24's at a capped field.......... The field may not stay capped. As for low bombers running into a furball........ They still have to get there first. :salute
I guess I'm the lonely voice of dissent here. I'm against it.
I see the reincarnation of the death star in a slightly different format; groups of three or more formations all with gunners on board flying low through furballs ripping apart the unsuspecting fighters with no intention whatsoever to bomb anything.
Been there done that. Don't need to see it again.
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Bumping of an old thread so as not to have to introduce a new one....... Again.
Defending your buff's is sometimes a far more important characteristic then the bombing itself.... Afterall, you do need to reach your target.
Defensive kills currently do not count towards your score, only perk points.
Please add another Bomber Scoring Cat:
Defensive Kills
Make it not as valuable as bombing kills but they should count nonetheless.
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I see the point some of you are trying to make,a kills a kill and should be rewarded,ahh but it is you get perks for bomber kills of fighters.
Now if your saying it doesnt count towards "Rank" well thats another subject!! First off,unslave the guns so when your in a turret with twin 50's only those 2 50's fire.Sure keep the formations,the F3 views, the ability to steer from gun position,but unslave the guns,then maybe the kills would be worth counting.
But as always: YMMV :confused:
:salute
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Why not just do it this way...
Divide the amount the kill is worth in points by the number of bombers you are flying? So if you are in a full formation when you get the kill, you get 0.33 for each kill you make in a bomber. If you have 2 bombers left... you get 0.5 for a kill. If you are in a solo bomber, you get full credit.
That way... the bomber pilots get what they want, and the fighter pilots dont feel like they are getting shafted on the scores?
Makes sense to me...
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Why not just do it this way...
Divide the amount the kill is worth in points by the number of bombers you are flying? So if you are in a full formation when you get the kill, you get 0.33 for each kill you make in a bomber. If you have 2 bombers left... you get 0.5 for a kill. If you are in a solo bomber, you get full credit.
That way... the bomber pilots get what they want, and the fighter pilots dont feel like they are getting shafted on the scores?
Makes sense to me...
That Sir is a logical well thoughtout proposal!
:salute
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BUMP
I think that would make for a fair addition!!!
That Sir is a logical well thoughtout proposal!
:salute
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I'm not really sure what the whining is about with formations. Sure, if you saddle up on a formation's 6 o'clock at 400-600 yards out, you're going to get cut to pieces. That's as it should be. There's a really good way to shoot down whole formations of bombers, and that's not to saddle up on their 6. Try actually using attack angles that are hard to defend against. I personally love a full formation of bombers rather than a single one. It means I can get three kills instead of one.
As for the OP, I'm all for it. The scoring system exists, for better or for worse. I'd say counting aerial victories against marauding fighters makes at least as much sense as counting a "bombing" percentage in GVs. Actually, it makes way, way more sense. How "score hoar" is it when guys (I've done this too) take an Sdkfz 251 with rockets into a town and blow up buildings, just to boost their score. And yet a guy's bombing score isn't affected by being a really great defensive gunner and killing lots of fighters that attack his buffs?
I really don't see how the OP isn't perfectly sensible in the context of a scoring system that's not going away. If "bombing %" makes any kind of sense at all for the GVs, then certainly defensive gunnery kills ought to count for bomber rank.
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Since HiTech is looking around, I figured it's a good time for a bump of an important topic!!!
Defending your buff's is sometimes a far more important characteristic then the bombing itself.... Afterall, you do need to reach your target.
Defensive kills currently do not count towards your score, only perk points.
Please add another Bomber Scoring Cat:
Defensive Kills
Make it not as valuable as bombing kills but they should count nonetheless.
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You know, I should have bumped this Saturday while HiTech was looking around.......... :confused:
Defending your buff's is sometimes a far more important characteristic then the bombing itself.... Afterall, you do need to reach your target.
Defensive kills currently do not count towards your score, only perk points.
Please add another Bomber Scoring Cat:
Defensive Kills
Make it not as valuable as bombing kills but they should count nonetheless.
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(http://www.candidz.com/forum/images/smilies/import/bump2.gif) Instead of starting a new thread. Let's try this again. (http://www.candidz.com/forum/images/smilies/import/bump2.gif)
Defending your buff's is sometimes a far more important characteristic then the bombing itself.... Afterall, you do need to reach your target.
Defensive kills currently do not count towards your score, only perk points.
Please add another Bomber Scoring Cat:
Defensive Kills
Make it not as valuable as bombing kills but they should count nonetheless.
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From the Man himself:
..I have to addmitte I didn't even realize the it didn't count to bomber scores!
/but HELL YESS IT SHOULD!
<S> 999000
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Once again 100% +1 :aok
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i think llogann hit the nail on the head here.as a bomber pilots of the dickweed heavy bomber group it sucks when your in your nordon calibrating and then you have to go to your guns to defend your bombers
and take down your adversary's and then you have to regroup and do a nother run to bomb your target.
:airplane: :aok
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I'd rather punt this than start anew.
Defending your buff's is sometimes a far more important characteristic then the bombing itself.... Afterall, you do need to reach your target.
Defensive kills currently do not count towards your score, only perk points.
Please add another Bomber Scoring Cat:
Defensive Kills
Make it not as valuable as bombing kills but they should count nonetheless.
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