If a couple of interested AVA players tried to organize 2-4 strong player based squads that could be made up from any MA country, I'd probably be interested in something like that.
There are plenty of guys who might be willing to try and set something like that up but for now it's just an idea.
A good all around AVA Squad Name to join might be
Axis of Evil vs The Allied Alliance or The Allied Aviators. It'd be nice to see 2- 4 Large squads made up of enthusiasts playing in there on a set days.
EDIT: In other words, you wouldn't be joining JG54 for instance, you'd be joining an axis side made up of many different players from many different squads and countries. The same for an allied squad if allied planes were your preference.
Can't speak for other players, only for me
In descending order:
Icon settings
Player behaviour
Low numbers
Place needs a baby sitter with boot privs just like in the TA.Cant see that happening till theres enough numbers regularly to justify it. Catch 22. The place just has the equivalent of AIDS to games.
Place needs a baby sitter with boot privs just like in the TA.
Cause there is very little difference tween it and the LW arenas :aokWell sure there is! If i'm strolling along in a 109G-2, it's guaranteed that i will not be fighting against other 109's. :aok
The Pigs tried it as a squad for a few weeks, but it is just not our kind of mud to waller in.
(http://pumapac.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/liddy-pig.jpg)
Place needs a baby sitter with boot privs just like in the TA.There is. Arena CM's are there often.
Did you forget about this one already?
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,264661.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,264661.0.html)
you got 8 pages out of the last one and now you're out trolling again.
<yawn>
When you go in there the only things to pick from are what someone else wants you to use. It's like a glorified SEA. Numbers are low in there. Would like to see a way where i can pick all allied or all axis vehicles or planes maybe? If i wanted to have a certain setup i'll go to FSO.
When you go in there the only things to pick from are what someone else wants you to use. It's like a glorified SEA. Numbers are low in there. Would like to see a way where i can pick all allied or all axis vehicles or planes maybe? If i wanted to have a certain setup i'll go to FSO.
Anyway AvA I realise is where I want to be but with lots of like minded people and so this is my campaign now. Wish me Luck ;)
Did you forget about this one already?
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,264661.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,264661.0.html)
you got 8 pages out of the last one and now you're out trolling again.
<yawn>
Come by around 9pm EST. The place usually stays empty until then.
Also Larry does missions on wendsday nights that draw a good crowd.
Also, as Dinan pointed out, this is a transparent troll (and a duplicate, no less).
Hey looks like you been workin' out since you last pic.
Up until fairly recently I had a very low opinion of the AvA. That opinion has changed. When there are 20 or so players in the arena it's very nearly as good as the old CT was in its heyday. Last night's mission (by Larry) was a perfect example of that - some great fights, a civil atmosphere and a great time.
Those who've been put off of the AvA by the less than stellar behaviour that was the norm in the last couple of years but would like to play a 2-sided game should at the very least show up for the next mission night and see for themselves. It isn't perfect by any means but it's one hell of a lot better than it was.
Cheers,
asw
(which is probably why the Pigs On the Wing didn't like it, although I do not really know so I put my totally uneducated guess here).
"Hey! what is with this 190 vs P-47 setup? Were is the spit16!" :rolleyes:
I've never seen anything more glorified in this game than the FSO and that's only one night a week where you can go watch the paint dry. Yet the AvA is open 24/7.
Do they have short range icons and radar bleeps on AvA?I like that about FSO.
Depends who is on, seems like most look down upon base taking in the AVA and most the time it's turned off. So your basically looking for a furball if larry isn't running his wednesday mission.
Anyway AvA I realise is where I want to be but with lots of like minded people and so this is my campaign now. Wish me Luck ;)
I touched up your remark B4Buster as it seems it was missing something. We are not the Squad you think we are B4Buster. I sincerely ask you to come visit on vox sometime Sir. See for yourself. Base capture entails maybe 20-30 percent of the Pigs squad time, the rest is spent in total Pig anarchy with no real aim or goal other than getting into a good fight on land, sea or air. As far as porking (which you think would come naturally to a Pig) it is only done to slow an advancing enemy when needed.
Hey thanks! I tightened the tension on my throttle to make it a bit more of a workout while playing! :rofl
Have visited you guys many times, and nothing against you all. I think most of you are great guys.
it suks......................sor ry
As for Yarbles, BS you forgot a thread YOU started a month ago that got 100+ replies. You just want to stir the AvA pot some more and I hope skuzzy deals with you.
No one's in there.
Larry, all I'm saying is everytime I consider it, I don't bother because there's something like 5-10 people in there.
the plane sets suck. I peeked in there the other day and my allied choices was a spit or a mossie. Wtf are the 38s,47s and 51s? Why can't we have all the planes in AH2 and split them up into axies and allies?! Everytime I look into the AvA arena it's always some crap ride no one flys.
It makes me wonder if the guys running the AvA even have a clue about what the majority of players want.
Lazy or dumb? Buddy I work 55 hours a week and have other things to do besides look at the MOTD. When I have time to log on I want to fly what I want. Not what you want me to fly! I just went to the AvA and low and behold a good plane set but only 3 people in there.
Larry is about to piss me off :mad:Yeah, I get mad too when I do or say something stupid and someone else points it out.
Uptown. That was a setup I had put up at the request of the AvA regulars. As I said earlier in this thread, setups get changed weekly. Stop by and request a setup Uptown, would love to have you in the arena :saluteI just may do that. Trukill is going down! :devil
Yeah, I get mad too when I do or say something stupid and someone else points it out.You're on the "going down" list too pal! :furious
You work 55 hours a week and don't have two whole minutes to read something that pops up every time you log into the arena? So which is it lazy or dumb? Really it takes you just as long to look what is enabled in the hanger then it does to look at the damn MOTD. Stop crying like the only thing the allies had was a goon. There were more planes enabled but you where just way to busy look to the left of the clipboard when you logged on. :rolleyes:And this folks right here is why the AVA has no pilots.The attitude.Same attitude that got you thrown out of FSO,DFC one would think you would learn something by it.
Larry advertised a big bombing mission several months ago in the AvA and I decided to try something different and take part in it. When the event started I joined his mission only to be pretty much left out of it. I found Larry to be argorant and rude. I haven't spent any time in there since. Although I would love to shoot this guy down. I know he's a good stick, but I can whip him.
And this folks right here is why the AVA has no pilots.The attitude.Same attitude that got you thrown out of FSO,DFC one would think you would learn something by it.
Larry advertised a big bombing mission several months ago in the AvA and I decided to try something different and take part in it. When the event started I joined his mission only to be pretty much left out of it. I found Larry to be argorant and rude. I haven't spent any time in there since. Although I would love to shoot this guy down. I know he's a good stick, but I can whip him.
ahh just trying to get a fight started :) it might be fun in there with some good planes
AvA is also not for everyone because it really is about the fights, no about base taking or porking (which is probably why the Pigs On the Wing didn't like it).I was in the pigs squad when they were active in the AVA for a bit, at the time their was a "war" setup thing. The objective, if I remeber correctly was actually to capture specific bases.
Larry, all I'm saying is everytime I consider it, I don't bother because there's something like 5-10 people in there.
the plane sets suck. I peeked in there the other day and my allied choices was a spit or a mossie. Wtf are the 38s,47s and 51s? Why can't we have all the planes in AH2 and split them up into axies and allies?! Everytime I look into the AvA arena it's always some crap ride no one flys.
It makes me wonder if the guys running the AvA even have a clue about what the majority of players want.
Actually, Moot, some of the best fights can be had in just that situation. The MA-style furball, where getting shot down is more a matter of lacking SA than getting beat in ACM, is fairly rare in AvA. You don't need a lot of numbers to have a lot of good fights. Come try!It's not often that the setup has the 152 enabled and that I don't have squaddies in the other arenas, both at the same time.. Otherwise I'd definitely be in there as often as the other arenas.
- oldman
Larry.Your squad was thrown out of FSO and you were thrown out of DFC.
When are the busiest times in the AvA? When and how often are the plane sets changed?
JG54 is a axis squad. I perfer the axis to be a little naughty :D
I've tried AvA in the past but it struck me repeatedly as a 'small pond, big fish' attitude arena in addition to the 38 not always enabled.
I haven't tried it in the past 6-9 months but if a 38 enabled planeset came up again, I would give it another go.
38 is enabled on this map.
It got old fast when we were in there doing a bomber mission at um-teen "K" feet and after shooting down all the fighters that intercepted the bomber mission then shooting them down again, and again, on the return trip, why go there to conduct missions when you can do the same thing in the MA.
The historacle value only pertains to the arena your flying in I will give it that, but shooting down the same pilot multiple times does not even come close to the reality.
If it had a way of having a one life sortie, it would make it fun and exciting.
Other than that, you can get hoed, rammed, horded, picked, ganged, etc just like in the MA, except there are more people. :lol
I have a very different question, why would anyone want to go to the AVA. I am not being facetious, try come up with real reasons.
HiTech
I have a very different question, why would anyone want to go to the AVA. I am not being facetious, try come up with real reasons.
HiTech
I have a very different question, why would anyone want to go to the AVA. I am not being facetious, try come up with real reasons.
HiTech
I have a very different question, why would anyone want to go to the AVA. I am not being facetious, try come up with real reasons.
HiTech
1. The fights- The best fights in the game are here. The best pilots in the game fight here. You would learn ACM faster and look at the way of Air Combat in a totally different way.
2.Historical matchups- Not everyone likes P51 Vs P51 in the MA, the history in the arena is what brings me there. To fight in the same terrain and the same environment like the original great ones did.
3. Set ups- If you want a set up, the CM's will run it. It might not be right away but if you request it, it will be there.
4. Gangs/picks/HOs- The reason they are looked down upon are to make the fights the best they can be. and in respect of that, you treat players how you want to be treated. If your going to Ho every pass, Im going to kick my rudder a little then shoot ya right in the cockpit. Simple
1. The fights- The best fights in the game are here. The best pilots in the game fight here. You would learn ACM faster and look at the way of Air Combat in a totally different way.
2.Historical matchups- Not everyone likes P51 Vs P51 in the MA, the history in the arena is what brings me there. To fight in the same terrain and the same environment like the original great ones did.
3. Set ups- If you want a set up, the CM's will run it. It might not be right away but if you request it, it will be there.
4. Gangs/picks/HOs- The reason they are looked down upon are to make the fights the best they can be. and in respect of that, you treat players how you want to be treated. If your going to Ho every pass, Im going to kick my rudder a little then shoot ya right in the cockpit. Simple
I have a very different question, why would anyone want to go to the AVA. I am not being facetious, try come up with real reasons.That's why i say,turn off kill shoother and turn off radar bleeps.Then its someting truly diffrent from Main arena.And i for one would always be there. :pray
HiTech
I have a very different question, why would anyone want to go to the AVA. I am not being facetious, try come up with real reasons.
HiTech
2.Historical matchups- Not everyone likes P51 Vs P51 in the MA, the history in the arena is what brings me there. To fight in the same terrain and the same environment like the original great ones did.
First I would say all your reasons except # 2 are conclusions and not reasons. 2. Can not be debated, it is your preference, all your other "reasons" are big stretches. But does not matter, #2 is a very valid reason for your choice.
Only 1 more question.
What things do you give up so that you can have historical match ups.
HiTech
Their are a ton of the old school AW pilots that would like this whole idea.So ask yourself.Why don't they go IN there? Seriously.FSO gets great numbers,this isn't FSO but its the closest thing to it. So why are all these people who OBVIOUSLY like that kind of set up not flocking to this utopia? :huh
(knits brow)
...er...um.....plane choice....?
- oldman (and very small pebbles)
I never flew AvA because the guys I fly with usually tend to clear a sector pretty quick. I like to kill things, not fly on a cool terrain. Preference I guess.
Have visited you guys many times, and nothing against you all. I think most of you are great guys. Whenever I have flown with the Pigs, they were rolling bases. A game style that isn't the norm in the AvA. Rolling bases is nothing to be ashamed of though
First I would say all your reasons except # 2 are conclusions and not reasons. 2. Can not be debated, it is your preference, all your other "reasons" are big stretches. But does not matter, #2 is a very valid reason for your choice.
Only 1 more question.
What things do you give up so that you can have historical match ups.
HiTech
What things do you give up so that you can have historical match ups.
I've never taken a base, never tried either, I am a POTW member too.
What things do you give up so that you can have historical match ups?
HiTech
Heres where your wrong. AVA has a wreched reputation.If HT ran a poll upon going into the arena that asked " What keeps you from going into the AVA?" I think you would be shocked.That or claim it was all rigged. People LIKE historical matchups. Its the community that has the issues.
HT I'm sorry to say but the only real reason people don't fly the AvA is because they cant always get their uber '45 plane. People who try to say they don't go in there because of trash talk don't really want to go in there in the first place.
The community doesn't have issues they have excuses.
Hi DreaWell where to start. The prevailing impression that JV 54 thinks the ava is their own personal sand box that berate those that dont 'Play their way" The "bad ass" attitude backing that impression up on the ava forums.Cant count the times Ive seen the "were the best" line in there. Ive heard from way to many people respected in the AH community that AVA is a cesspool that after reading the forums some,I had not the slightest reason to think otherwise.
Could you clarify for me your statement "it's the community that hs the issues" for me?
Cheers
Tunes
HT I'm sorry to say but the only real reason people don't fly the AvA is because they cant always get their uber '45 plane.
Deny it all you guys want,but that is the general consensus in all the people Ive heard opinions from.Granted, there was a time when the AvA was a sewer and I was one of the ones spouting off about it. Then it seemed as if 3 out of 4 posts in the text chat were accusations, whines or insults. I didn't particularly enjoy the atmosphere so I left. But times and attitudes change and so did the AvA. I recently took another look and it isn't the cesspool it had become. And my experience with JG54 since I started flying the AvA again has been nothing but good. Maybe it's time for another look at the AvA. The general consensus in this case seems to be running at least a couple of months behind the reality of the AvA.
1. The fights- The best fights in the game are here. The best pilots in the game fight here. You would learn ACM faster and look at the way of Air Combat in a totally different way.
2.Historical matchups- Not everyone likes P51 Vs P51 in the MA, the history in the arena is what brings me there. To fight in the same terrain and the same environment like the original great ones did.
3. Set ups- If you want a set up, the CM's will run it. It might not be right away but if you request it, it will be there.
4. Gangs/picks/HOs- The reason they are looked down upon are to make the fights the best they can be. and in respect of that, you treat players how you want to be treated. If your going to Ho every pass, Im going to kick my rudder a little then shoot ya right in the cockpit. Simple
I have to disagree with you there dea. Most people don't fly there becuase there isn't anyone there. Only few people(spouting off on the BBS) actually say thatTheres no one there because they dont WANT to be there.This catch 22 you guys feel is the reason is just wishful thinking on your part. Ya just dont get that. Maybe the crappy attitudes have changed,maybe they havent,but as long as the same people are perceived to be leading the way its gonna end up with the same results.
So that is the only real reason I don't fly in the AvA too?
-1
My momma told me if you don't have anything to say don't say anything at all. And this isn't coming from 10 year olds. Its coming from grown adults. all I can say now is wowYea and My mom told me to always tell it like ya see it. Bury your head in the sand.The problems still wont go away till the AVA is flushed.
HT I'm sorry to say but the only real reason people don't fly the AvA is because they cant always get their uber '45 plane.
Wrong.
Occasionally I'll pop in to the AvA arena and my thought process is thus:
I know enough about history to realize, generally, what planes are going to do what to whom. The question remains, then, would my adversary be skilled enough to use them or could they possibly suck as bad as I.
Case in point: yesterday I entered the arena.. noticed the plane choices-late war American vs. LW., noted that there was a single axis flyer in the air, I chose the 47D-11 and took off from an airfield that was closest to the only opponent ( as indicated by the red dar bar ). I promptly had my butt handed to me by a 109 something.. G, maybe.. I did manage to get him to collide with me, but only after losing the turn fight miserably. So I upped the next logical ( for me, anyway ) plane.. the P38J.. and got my butt handed to me again by the same guy. I looked at the menu for his next meal and saw no other plane that stood a chance against him. Fortunately, I had a church meeting so I could quietly log out and go about my RL business shortly afterwards.. secure in the reafirmation of my complete suckage.
In a case like this, it boils down to the same reason I don't play cards. I suck at cards because of the chance factor. If I roll a plane that is good for killing bombers ( 190 A-8, in particular ) I will only encounter LAs, Spits and Ponys. If I up a good plane for dogfighting ( A6M5 ) I will encounter bombers. If I launch an uber plane, I will encounter an uber adversary. Luck of the draw.
So.. I'll wander in when I'm feeling comfortable enough in my suckage to handle the disappointment. Otherwise, I'll just go bomb something or defend a fleet in the puffy ack guns.
So are you saying that you dont like it because you get killed to much?
No, I can't say that.. because the response would be 'then get better, silly'..
I have a very different question, why would anyone want to go to the AVA. I am not being facetious, try come up with real reasons.Historical match ups not restricted to events' schedule. That's a huge draw.. Correct me if I'm wrong but that's what the promise of CT was.
HiTech
What things do you give up so that you can have historical match ups.Just about anything.. E.G. No or limited cross country comms, a kill message system that worked not in real time but only confirmed the in-flight "possible kills" on a kill board once you were back on the ground would be ok. Flying only per scheduled sortie system could be tolerable too.
Only 1 more question.I give up:
What things do you give up so that you can have historical match ups.
HiTech
What things do you give up so that you can have historical match ups.
HiTech
If I thought A v A was fun, I'd play Warbirds in the year 2003.
Mainly, the neon icons detract from the immersion of the fight. There is nothing more visually stunning than a no icon fight for several reasons. And the tactical differences make for fights that more closely match historical descriptions (so don't tell i should just turn off my own icons). It is a different experience altogether. Not necessarily more fun. More intense is the best description.i know theres been times on some maps with some planes that I was shooting just below the icon due to it just hideing the plane. This would make for some interesting fights if you ask me.
The response from one of them in that squad, "Why don't you send a few of your guys over to even it out." So, we left and went back to the MA.
Took my squad into the AvA. We had 20 guys and split them even. We started at a few bases that were not busy. I did not want to inject 20 guys into the smaller fights, thought it might ruin any good fights going on. Figured they would work their way down to us. Things were going good. After about 40 mins, I notice that the numbers were a bit out of whack. By this time, all that were in the arena, were in our area. The Numbers were something like 17 to 11. Another squad had joined in and were all working together, on one side. There were about 5 or 6 of them. One of my guys says over range that the numbers are getting a bit uneven. The response from one of them in that squad, "Why don't you send a few of your guys over to even it out." So, we left and went back to the MA.
Why dont more people play axis v allies
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Great game, back in the day... The biggest reason I don't play is, most of the guys I used to go up against have moved to other cities, have families of their own now... Just nobody to play the game with...
I have that game under my bed right now :lol ,I bought it when I was 8 years old :cool:
I flew a few times in the AvA. I was bored. Then, when my squad started telling horror stories of dweebs and JG54, I decided to never go back. Some of my good friends still say no to flying there because of the attitudes and JG54.
I don't even know if JG54 exists any more. Point being, if I had a miserable time in there, why am I expected to come back?
Your gonna love this. They are called the "Class acts" now :rofl :x
Your ankle humping is getting pathetic. You must be to slow to realize that our name 'the class acts' was a joke. Kinda like you are every day. :rolleyes:No I understood it was a joke.We all did. It was just a very funny one.