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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: redman555 on June 25, 2009, 12:46:39 AM
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Threatening nuclear war on the U.S.? We could like blow all of N.Korea up with 1 missile, and there threatening us?? I will admit I'm a bit nervous cause basically they can only hit California, and that's were i am, but how can they be that stupid to even try and threaten us like that?
What you guys think about this?
http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-world-asia/20090624/AS.Koreas.Nuclear/
-BigBOBCH
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Threatening nuclear war on the U.S.? We could like blow all of N.Korea up with 1 missile, and there threatening us?? I will admit I'm a bit nervous cause basically they can only hit California, and that's were i am, but how can they be that stupid to even try and threaten us like that?
What you guys think about this?
http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-world-asia/20090624/AS.Koreas.Nuclear/
-BigBOBCH
Don't worry they WON'T hit U.S. Territory, First off we have very hi-tech anti missle technology. 2nd North Korea is lucky to get a missle off the ground.
I really doubt Kim Jong will even do anything, he just wants to seem powerful. Plus Russia and China support us, and China is Pyongyang's closests ally.
What's the "estimated" range of a North Korean missle? i saw that there SCUDs have a range of 310miles.
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from what i was told they estimated there missiles could like just barely hit coast of cali, and can hit hawaii, infact atm they have missiles aimed at hawaii. Im sure we got subs off the coast atm, but still
-BigBOBCH
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Threatening nuclear war on the U.S.? We could like blow all of N.Korea up with 1 missile, and there threatening us?? I will admit I'm a bit nervous cause basically they can only hit California, and that's were i am, but how can they be that stupid to even try and threaten us like that?
What you guys think about this?
http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-world-asia/20090624/AS.Koreas.Nuclear/
-BigBOBCH
Lol. We can blow up their stuff before they get within 500 miles or farther of our country.
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See Rule #14
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from what i was told they estimated there missiles could like just barely hit coast of cali, and can hit hawaii, infact atm they have missiles aimed at hawaii. Im sure we got subs off the coast atm, but still
-BigBOBCH
There is no way they could even get close to hitting us! the distance from Washington D.C. to San Diego is over 3,000 miles, and from the North American Contienent to Korea is like quadrupile the distance.
I did read that they are preping Hawaii for a "very very unlikely but possible" attack.
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See Rule #14
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i mean still, is Kim Jong-il that retarded to really THREATEN THE U.S. That has to be one of the stupidest things anyone has ever done lol
-BigBOBCH
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i mean still, is Kim Jong-il that retarded to really THREATEN THE U.S. That has to be one of the stupidest things anyone has ever done lol
-BigBOBCH
oh yea, i agree 100%, simular to Panama, where Norigiea delcared war on the U.S. exept this would be a bit longer, and more costly.
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i mean still, is Kim Jong-il that retarded to really THREATEN THE U.S. That has to be one of the stupidest things anyone has ever done lol
-BigBOBCH
I agree it is pretty stupid...he knows damn well we could bomb, blow up Korea into oblivion. Our superior Navy, Air Force, Army, Marines, every thing is 20x as better than Korea.
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Problem is, the US is bankrupt and can't really afford another war.
Of course, North Korea is beyond bankrupt. But they don't give a damn.
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Problem is, the US is bankrupt and can't really afford another war.
Of course, North Korea is beyond bankrupt. But they don't give a damn.
WW2 brought us out of a recession.....times have changed tho I guess.
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IN!
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Ditto.
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This is probably gonna blow over like the Cold War, or in more modern term, any internet conversasion. Alot of talk, but no action.
Oh ya, IN!
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I think you guys jumped the gun on the IN game.....
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See Rule #14
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lol
I do hear a post edit coming tho....
:D
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So how inflammatory would it be to test our missile interceptors on the apparently upcoming N. Korean missile tests?
Anyways, the Russians and Chinese better get to work putting the clamps back down on N. Korea, because if they attack us with a nuke, its over. They'll have no political way from preventing us from turning N. Korea into the next Iraq, except I'd expect 98% less resistance from the local starving population once we feed them and turn on the lights.
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i mean still, is Kim Jong-il that retarded to really THREATEN THE U.S. That has to be one of the stupidest things anyone has ever done lol
-BigBOBCH
Hitler declared war on the USA. So little Kim got pawned :devil
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Been following this for quite a while now. I am sure it just irritates the hell out of China and Russia to have that little squeaker stirring things up the way he is. And I dont think that they are going to just stand by and let him do anything like attack the US, Japan or S Korea. But at the same time, they arent going to just let us go over there and smack him around either. That is their backyard.
It would kinda be like Mexico threatening China, and saying it was going to attack them. We would be the ones that would have to handle it. We wouldnt just let China come over and start landing troops.
And if he did have a total breakdown and actually launched a nuke at anyone... I dont think we would be the only ones that would have a part in turning N Korea into a parking lot.
But hes not doing any of this because he wants to go to war... He wants money. He has learned, that if he flexes his muscles, the world will give him aid to stop. Unfortunately... the world is tired of that game, and he hasnt figured that out yet.
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First off, NoKo is a LONG way from fitting a Nuke warhead on any of their missiles..
Their 1st underground test fizzled, the second test worked... But again, that is a LONG way
from building a functional warhead that will fit in the nosecone of a modified skud...
It took the US, many years to get that far.. But then again, back in the 90s, we had
PRC spies at LOS ALAMOS.... They stole much of our supercomputer "W" programs..
Which are, the warhead design programs, Hmmmmmm?
They have been finding bits and pieces of these "W" programs in many places around
the world... Truly Dangerous!!!
RC
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I'll never understand why paranoia is more common than logic.
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Hmm didn't we declare war on germany in WWII angus?
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I'll never understand why paranoia is more common than logic.
It's easier.
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Would be funny if China and Russia sided with North Korea. :rock
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Threatening nuclear war on the U.S.? We could like blow all of N.Korea up with 1 missile, and there threatening us?? I will admit I'm a bit nervous cause basically they can only hit California, and that's were i am, but how can they be that stupid to even try and threaten us like that?
What you guys think about this?
http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-world-asia/20090624/AS.Koreas.Nuclear/
-BigBOBCH
i have a really nice bridge for sale. it makes tons of money in tolls. lemme know if you're interested, and we'll talk.
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Nuclear weapons, when massed, are some real scary toejam.
However, one or two 15 KT devices delivered by truck or ship aren't enough of an equalizer to change anything on the Peninsula. If anyone could convince me that the NKs could get a device over Osan AB, you might get my attention. And sure, the important thing here is to stop them from continuing down a path that will give them the capability to strap one of those warheads onto a missile. But the treat of war today would appear to be more about shoring up power domestically, and shaking down the international community for more money/food aid.
-Sik
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i mean still, is Kim Jong-il that retarded to really THREATEN THE U.S. That has to be one of the stupidest things anyone has ever done lol
-BigBOBCH
Kim Joing Il isn't making the decisions right now. It is belived the top brass of the N. Korea's people's Army are making most of the decisions, because of Jong Il's deteriorating health. That includes the missile test on Memorial Day. Right now they're trying to downsize the size of their warheads to fit onto rockets. It is clearly an act of aggression. I belive (if I remember correctly) The most recent test was of a nuclear warhead three times the size of that dropped on Hiroshima.
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But the treat of war today would appear to be more about shoring up power domestically, and shaking down the international community for more money/food aid.
-Sik
Exactly
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First off we have very hi-tech anti missle technology.
Patriot? :lol SDI? :huh
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Hmm didn't we declare war on germany in WWII angus?
No, it was the other way around. Hitler, in a burst of optimism*, declared war on the USA after the Pearl Harbor attack.
* that or he had a premonition dream about Michael Bay's movie and wanted to change the future.
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Kim Joing Il isn't making the decisions right now. It is belived the top brass of the N. Korea's people's Army are making most of the decisions, because of Jong Il's deteriorating health. That includes the missile test on Memorial Day. Right now they're trying to downsize the size of their warheads to fit onto rockets. It is clearly an act of aggression. I belive (if I remember correctly) The most recent test was of a nuclear warhead three times the size of that dropped on Hiroshima.
The Russians were reporting that the last detonation was in the 10-20 KT range. The Hiroshima bomb was 15 KT. Of course they are trying to make the devices smaller, but wishing won't make it so and that's a serious technological obstacle that they have to clear.
If this link works, it should show the blast radius of a 15 KT detonation at closest point to Osan AB that I could figure the NKs, and even that is pretty optimistic (well, Optimistic for the NKs anyhow)
http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/gmap/hydesim.html?ll=126.79939270019531,37.14718209972376&yd=15&z=6
Yes, the fallout would carry farther than that, but from a tractical perspective, our forces are trained to deal with much greater NBC attacks, so even if Operations at Osan are slowed, they will not be stopped, and more importantly, the hardware on station will not be effected. If there's another military target that is more exposed than Osan, maybe they can hit that. But without the ability to use the weapon in a tactical manner, it exists only as a strategic threat. One that we know they can't use effectively and so it's pretty worthless. However, it is a signpost that says: "We need to do something sooner rather than later, because once they CAN deploy the damn thing, it will be too late." Its too bad NK is so far away from Israel lol.
-Sik
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The Russians were reporting that the last detonation was in the 10-20 KT range. The Hiroshima bomb was 15 KT. Of course they are trying to make the devices smaller, but wishing won't make it so and that's a serious technological obstacle that they have to clear.
If this link works, it should show the blast radius of a 15 KT detonation at closest point to Osan AB that I could figure the NKs, and even that is pretty optimistic (well, Optimistic for the NKs anyhow)
http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/gmap/hydesim.html?ll=126.79939270019531,37.14718209972376&yd=15&z=6
Yes, the fallout would carry farther than that, but from a tractical perspective, our forces are trained to deal with much greater NBC attacks, so even if Operations at Osan are slowed, they will not be stopped, and more importantly, the hardware on station will not be effected. If there's another military target that is more exposed than Osan, maybe they can hit that. But without the ability to use the weapon in a tactical manner, it exists only as a strategic threat. One that we know they can't use effectively and so it's pretty worthless. However, it is a signpost that says: "We need to do something sooner rather than later, because once they CAN deploy the damn thing, it will be too late." Its too bad NK is so far away from Israel lol.
-Sik
You saying you'd rather the Israelis just take of them pre-emptively?
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Yes. It would simplify things and we wouldn't have to do anything to upset anyone. :)
-Sik
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Yes. It would simplify things and we wouldn't have to do anything to upset anyone. :)
-Sik
Usually I'd agree with you....
Actually, I agree with you here too...
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Even if they did fire a missile at us, unless they fired multiple missiles or fired them in quick succession, they couldn't get another one off before they are all radioactive dust from the GUARENTIED retaliatory strike. They can hurt us sure, but we will ruin them.
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the thing is, N.Korea spends basically every penny on there military. So if they did get in a war how long do you really think they could last, there already broke basically lol, and does N.Korea even have a navy? cause they threatened to attack us and that's really only way i could see em getting over here.
-BigBOBCH
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I doubt that they could force a landing on U.S. soil without the aid of the Chinese or Russians. And I THINK he ment he would nuke us, but don't quote me.
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Oh dear.
Guys, nobody in the world is suggesting that the raging NK hordes are going to come to the US and rape our women and kill our babies.
Can anyone tell me the basic strategic goal of a North Korean offensive? The sooner we get past the idea that the North Koreans want to invade the US, the better.
-Sik
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Oh dear.
Guys, nobody in the world is suggesting that the raging NK hordes are going to come to the US and rape our women and kill our babies.
Can anyone tell me the basic strategic goal of a North Korean offensive? The sooner we get past the idea that the North Koreans want to invade the US, the better.
-Sik
Not to worry, they are one of the poorest countries, they can barely get enough money for the missiles... They would most likely attack S. Korea sense its closest, and CA is protected by the worlds most state of the art tech.
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Oh dear.
Guys, nobody in the world is suggesting that the raging NK hordes are going to come to the US and rape our women and kill our babies.
Can anyone tell me the basic strategic goal of a North Korean offensive? The sooner we get past the idea that the North Koreans want to invade the US, the better.
-Sik
Well.... basically if you have nothing to lose why not. North Korea has nothing, is nothing, and is going nowhere. North Korea is just postering to get handouts.
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See Rule #14
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i hope they come to cali coast, ive got like 500 rounds of ammo in my house, im ready to go :rock :devil
-BigBOBCH
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I agree with the theory that NK will attack SK rather than US soil. Technically, a state of war still exists between North Korea and South Korea.
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redman, you idiot, now you went and did it, now the NK hords are going to attack us :D! And macerxgp, lets just send SK a couple of M1 abrams tanks wired with C4 that we can detonate if they get captured so NK can't use them. Oh, lets also send them some F16's, and severl hundred thousand tons of ord for them to shoot across the border. Maby SK will try to invade NK, that would be funny.
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still, do you think NK economy could really hold out during a war? i mean as of now there in like severe poverty cause like 99% of there money goes to military. and there still using gear thats like 20 years old lol
-BigBOBCH
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Hmm didn't we declare war on germany in WWII angus?
When We declared war on Japan after Pearl Harbor, Italy and Germany declared war on us.
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I agree with the theory that NK will attack SK rather than US soil. Technically, a state of war still exists between North Korea and South Korea.
Basically they will, we got 28,500 troops in SK.
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This is probably gonna blow over like the Cold War, or in more modern term, any internet conversasion. Alot of talk, but no action.
Oh ya, IN!
I have to agree with this post the way it's looking.
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Again, I truly believe that North Korea is just shaking us down again.
However, hypothetically, if they did attack anyone it would be South Korea (and, given our presense there, they would be attacking US troops). Their strategic goal would be the reunification o the Peninsula. Alternatively, maybe they would cross the border with the hope of taking and holding long enough to get a favorable surrender (delusional, but whatever). Take a look at a Map, Seoul isn't that far south of the border. It would be an absolute mess and I have no doubt that the North would lose, and they would actually lose everything this time, because I don't actually see the Chinese intervening as much this time. Their nuclear program can not assist them in this strategic goal at this time, so nothing of substance has changed.
-Sik
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Who know's how long this thread is going to last. I know that July 4th N. Korea is going to launch a missile towards the coast of Hawaii, of course, the press is saying that it is going to hit Hawaii, but what will actually happen is that it will land some were near Hawaii, and not on it.
Of course, US won't let it get much past N. Korea, which N. Korea will be real mad at us, and probably got to war with us. I just hope that NATO will allow us to use our nukes on N. Korea, and finally get this over with. I honestly don't want to have to fight them again, and this really has to end. We have been doing this for 50 years now with them, I don't feel like losing many more American lives there, so launch the Nuke please.
My guess is, if we don't send out a nuke back to them, they will receive no help from the Chinese, and maybe some very small help from the Russians. Why? simple, we are the Chinese economy, they want to threaten that, then they risk their whole economy on fighting us. Russia, not to sure about, with their new leader they can do any thing, no telling. As they say, one a KGB, always a KGB.
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As they say, one a KGB, always a KGB.
Medvedev was in the KGB?
-Sik
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I agree Bosco, it HAS to end. And as long as we are afraid to use our power (armed forces and nukes) and throw out weight around, then little countries like NK will continue to think that just because they have nukes and can launch outdated missiles, they can bully us and make us afraid of them. About the only countries that aren't allied with us (and I mean really allied with us, not just saying they are friends and planing to backstab us) that could pose a threat to us are China as they are a nuclear country and rather large modern army (not as good as ours, not by a mile, but still) and Russia (nuclear country and have lots of people to join the army if not necessarily IN the army)
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Who know's how long this thread is going to last. I know that July 4th N. Korea is going to launch a missile towards the coast of Hawaii, of course, the press is saying that it is going to hit Hawaii, but what will actually happen is that it will land some were near Hawaii, and not on it.
Of course, US won't let it get much past N. Korea, which N. Korea will be real mad at us, and probably got to war with us. I just hope that NATO will allow us to use our nukes on N. Korea, and finally get this over with. I honestly don't want to have to fight them again, and this really has to end. We have been doing this for 50 years now with them, I don't feel like losing many more American lives there, so launch the Nuke please.
My guess is, if we don't send out a nuke back to them, they will receive no help from the Chinese, and maybe some very small help from the Russians. Why? simple, we are the Chinese economy, they want to threaten that, then they risk their whole economy on fighting us. Russia, not to sure about, with their new leader they can do any thing, no telling. As they say, one a KGB, always a KGB.
Ya i've read that too, but will the missle at any time have to cross through Japanese Airspace? If it does it wont last, because i remember when they were testing there "satelite" Japan said if it enters there airspace its a declaration of war and that missile is going down.
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Hell, I'd concider it a decleration of war if someone sent a missle or any crap like that into my airspace.
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Their devices have low yields..."The reported estimates of Richter magnitude spread from 4.5-5, and the standard conversions to explosive yield suggest a yield of 2-6 kiloton-equivalents of TNT. Most of the latest Richter magnitude estimates have come in the low half of the 4.5-5 range, so it seems likely that the yield was 4 kilotons or smaller.
That's a lot of energy, much larger than the 2006 North Korean test, but it still falls far short of an expected 12-20 kiloton yield of a crude Hiroshima-style device."
So either they are WAY behind in nuclear technology, or trying to make one small enough that their poor missile technology can get it here. To have devastating effects it would have to be practically a direct hit and thats not likely, given their level of technical achievements.
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Hmm didn't we declare war on germany in WWII angus?
Nope. Oddly the Germans as well as the Italians declared war on the USA to follow the tripact deal to the limit. (Japan did not declarewar on the UK in 1939 accordingly, but I guess that it's due to the sequence of political steps).
Untill then as well as (yes, even!)beyond, USA was doing business with Germany.
Anyway, back to little Kim and his wannabee-stuff.
Once the technology of:
1: Ballistic missilies
2: Nook
...have been achieved, shooting nukes at the USA is within grabbing range. The USA had a nuke in 1945, the Germans made ballistic missiles in 1944 or so. The Iraqis had lots of old scuds (a design from the German V-2 AFAIK) which could SOMETIMES be stopped. They also had the full purpose of building the nuke. Now, their targets were close by, so their short range scuds would have had the range to deliver a nuke to an "enemy". Well, they got a harder life from that goal.
Now the N-Korean have just about entered the realm of Nukes and are building their own missiles. Once you get the hang of that range is not so significant, and neither is accuracy if your target is big enough.
So, in short, give little Kim some time, and he will be able to launch a nuke at the USA. The USA might well possibly not be able to stop it. Shooting down ballistic missilies is still in it's child's shoes so to say.
And he seems to have the will. About time to bomb the population with something, like propoganda, candy, and ...whatever...
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A whole lot Of Americans are forgetting its the Chinese who are keeping NK afloat, so they can threaten us.
Fuel, food, military arms...ect NK would fold in weeks if it wasn't for the Chinese propping them up. All the whiles trying to reassure the Americans they are a moderating influence. Now ask yourself, why would they do that?
For starters the more the little guy can shake down from the Democracies the less the Chinese have to send him. Of course the fact they are keeping the little guy afloat gives them quite a bit of control over him.
Next, now think like a Chinese, is the more money, hardware, and troops, the Yanks/Allies have pointed at the little guy means the less we can point at the Chinese. The fewer systems we can use against China or keep in reserve against it.
Right now the Chinese need time. Time to modernize, time to establish themselves, time to steal as much western tech as they can. The little guy is giving them that time and forcing concessions for both NK and the Chinese. Its an old game.
Course that can all change if the little guy goes to far. http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/index.html
BTW NATO would have nothing to do with a war on the Korean Peninsula.
Article 5
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
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A whole lot Of Americans are forgetting its the Chinese who are keeping NK afloat, so they can threaten us.
Fuel, food, military arms...ect NK would fold in weeks if it wasn't for the Chinese propping them up. All the whiles trying to reassure the Americans they are a moderating influence. Now ask yourself, why would they do that?
For starters the more the little guy can shake down from the Democracies the less the Chinese have to send him. Of course the fact they are keeping the little guy afloat gives them quite a bit of control over him.
Next, now think like a Chinese, is the more money, hardware, and troops, the Yanks/Allies have pointed at the little guy means the less we can point at the Chinese. The fewer systems we can use against China or keep in reserve against it.
Right now the Chinese need time. Time to modernize, time to establish themselves, time to steal as much western tech as they can. The little guy is giving them that time and forcing concessions for both NK and the Chinese. Its an old game.
Course that can all change if the little guy goes to far. http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/index.html
BTW NATO would have nothing to do with a war on the Korean Peninsula.
The chineese won't jump in as now that they are "operating" as a democracy they to lose alot.
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The real thread NK has is not atomics but conventional artillery. The one that is aimed at Seoul.
Yes, lil' Jim rattles his nukes to get the media attention and get money in return. However the true threat are the thousand of high caliber artillery pieces that will blast the S.K. capital to rubble in a matter of minutes, at a moments notice.
You got to give credit to the NK's though... they keep the conventional threat while building and developing the nuclear one. A prime example to any other nation wanting to gain immunity from UN / US / NATO influence or retaliation. This is why I believe that the UN should get off its bellybutton and understand that action now prevents holocaust later. Sadly though, the UN is useless.
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The U.N. is too lenient many times but the have their uses...like being the scapegoat if a Holocaust does happen it can't be anyones but the U.N.'s fault for not seeing the build up.
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They must not teach world history in North Korea. He clearly does not understand what happened to the last country that attacked the US....which happens to be the same (and only) country in history that got atomic/nuclear weapons used on it. The US is the only country in history to have actually used atomic/nuclear weapons in anger.
Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto to Ogata Taketora on January 9, 1942:
"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."
This same giant is now wide awake....and pissed off. :salute
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:salute
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The U.N. is too lenient many times but the have their uses...like being the scapegoat if a Holocaust does happen it can't be anyones but the U.N.'s fault for not seeing the build up.
Send the U.N. to Brussels and N.A.T.O. to New York...
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NK is like the bum on the street corner you give a buck too to put his pants back on. Nobodies really scared, we just don't want see the family jewels strung out and no one wants to touch him for fear of catching something bad.
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The Conventional threat to Sk is really the one thing that should worry anyone. Oh and the U.S. is still at war with NK (technically)
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Nice, now we don't have to worry about a decleration or any of that legal crap. And SK MIGHT have to worry about nukes, probably after testing a few of them then NK will be flat broke though.
Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto to Ogata Taketora on January 9, 1942:
"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."
This same giant is now wide awake....and pissed off. :salute
Go pissed of giant!!! Smash the crap out of NK and the other idiot countries that have threatend us with nukes.
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I just hope that NATO will allow us to use our nukes on N. Korea, and finally get this over with. I honestly don't want to have to fight them again, and this really has to end. We have been doing this for 50 years now with them, I don't feel like losing many more American lives there, so launch the Nuke please.
As much as I want to agree with you I don't think that nukes should ever be used again (on this planet, anyway), and I don't think they will. I want to wipe out NK as much as anyone but nuking them is just a bad idea for many reasons.
If NK does pull something stupid we will probably bomb the crap out of their military hardware with conventional weapons and invade. My only fear is that the civilians of NK will die fighting rather than be liberated because of their brainwashing. Those poor people have no idea how pathetic their country really is. No contact with the outside world, no information, no nothing. All they know is propaganda.
I'd rather we didn't have to lose more lives with another war but using nuclear weapons again would open up a whole new can of worms.
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THere will always be civillian casualties in war. It is unavoidable.
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I agree Bosco, it HAS to end. And as long as we are afraid to use our power (armed forces and nukes) and throw out weight around, then little countries like NK will continue to think that just because they have nukes and can launch outdated missiles, they can bully us and make us afraid of them. About the only countries that aren't allied with us (and I mean really allied with us, not just saying they are friends and planing to backstab us) that could pose a threat to us are China as they are a nuclear country and rather large modern army (not as good as ours, not by a mile, but still) and Russia (nuclear country and have lots of people to join the army if not necessarily IN the army)
I think the fact that there are over 100,000 NK artillery pieces along the DMZ all well within firing range on Seoul and all capable of firing both conventional and chemical artillery rounds is enough to keep from going in Rambo style. Especially with over half the population of S.Korea living in or near Seoul and that in the first opening minutes of any war with NK, there will be over a million artillery shells fired at Seoul within the first hour. Imagine what a million rounds of conventional and chemical shells will do to Seoul and half the population.
ack-ack
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See Rule #14
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NK is like the bum on the street corner you give a buck too to put his pants back on. Nobodies really scared, we just don't want see the family jewels strung out and no one wants to touch him for fear of catching something bad.
Pretty much sums it up.
Meanwhile, some of you guys watch too much "Hyperventilation Today News" shows on TV. And don't pay attention to recent political history.
NK is almost totally isolated (China gives them money only to keep NK refugees from flooding into china). Like the annoying suburban neighborhood kid, NK will keep doing anything to get attention....because when they don't feel important unless people are worrying about them. On the other hand, the last time NK was really WORRIED about intervention (right after the invasion of Iraq), they were quiet well behaved little mice.
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See Rule #14
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Folks, in case you have forgotten. Any mention of anything based on politics is an automatic suspension from the board for up to a week. Just thought I might remind you.
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I'll never understand why paranoia is more common than logic.
Because you don't get to wear a cool tin foil hat with logic.
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AFDB information is available online here....
http://zapatopi.net/afdb/
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Don't worry they WON'T hit U.S. Territory, First off we have very hi-tech anti missle technology. 2nd North Korea is lucky to get a missle off the ground.
I really doubt Kim Jong will even do anything, he just wants to seem powerful. Plus Russia and China support us, and China is Pyongyang's closests ally.
What's the "estimated" range of a North Korean missle? i saw that there SCUDs have a range of 310miles.
I remember watching something that said the only place they are in range to hit w/ their missles is alaska. . . the tip of alaska. And besides: "First off we have very hi-tech anti missle technology", that is very true. I dont think it would ever make it to its target.
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Not even Kim Jong Il is stupid enough to attack America.
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Is Kim Jong Il still calling the shots?
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This is probably gonna blow over like the Cold War, or in more modern term, any internet conversasion. Alot of talk, but no action.
Oh ya, IN!
I'm not going to say IN, after all, its the O'club.
However Latrobe is right on the talk part. My question is; who has made money anytime there is a conflict..... Does anybody ever think about that?
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Is Kim Jong Il still calling the shots?
From all official reports he is still firmly in power. However, there have been reports for the last couple of years that his health has been declining rather dramatically and that he's really not in power, kind of like Fidel Castro. Supposedly, his youngest son is now being groomed to take over and Kim Jong is lavishing gifts on the NK politburo and military high command to gain their support for the youngest son.
I do wish that Kim Jong Il will do a TV appearance and sing the Alec Baldwin song from Team America.
ack-ack
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from what i was told they estimated there missiles could like just barely hit coast of cali, and can hit hawaii, infact atm they have missiles aimed at hawaii. Im sure we got subs off the coast atm, but still
-BigBOBCH
well the funny thing is they have not figured out how to stick the warheads on there missiles yet :rofl
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Let's try again, without an inadvertent trip into rule 14 (sorry skuzzy)
Missile Defense - funding has been cut and several programs deployed with a dubious "operational" status or nearing deployment have been either cut or reduced to research programs. In other words, don't count on US ballistic missile defenses...
US nuke response - Our nukes are aging and the program to replace the warheads as their shelf life expires has been cancelled. This means many warheads will inevitably be retired/dismantled and simply not replaced. Also, there has been talk by "the administration" about reducing our nuclear alert posture without requiring threat or competitor nations to return the favor. In other words, don't count on any prompt US nuclear response in the future and you may reasonably expect any country run by crazies (like N. Korea) to completely mis-interpret this as an inability or unwillingness of the US to use nukes for deterrent or WMD response.
Thems are just the facts, nothing to do with politics.
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"First off we have very hi-tech anti missle technology", that is very true.
really? I'm not aware of any system which works.
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really? I'm not aware of any system which works.
The Patriot was not a very effective system in the 90's but I remember reading that they had improved it tremendously since then PLUS there was also the factor that the trials and real combat situations they were used in (intercepting the scuds) had just one to three patriots fired against an incoming missile. I'd think that the missile shield around whatever is in range of lil'Jims missiles are saturated with patriot-type defenses and they would fire a massive swarm of interceptors against that one missile (N korea does not have enough missiles to lob a saturation strike like the USSR could in the cold war).
In any case, its highly unlikely NK will launch at the US.. they know the best they can do is take out one US city and in return get every inch of their territory to glow plutonium yellow for the next 10,000 years. Nor will they launch a nuke at S. Korea because the winds and contaminants would flow back to N.K itself (plus if they want to conquer S.K. it'd be stupid to make it uninhabitable).
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(Really evil Grin),
Lets give him the B-29, He can have it in (drum roll) Two Weeks.
Regards,
Kevin
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Air Power ....... we own it, nuff said :salute
US forces korea arent even on alert.........this tells me something
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He he two words "Star Wars" the greatest deterrent that never was. Thank you Ronald Reagan you are missed.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090629/ap_on_re_us/us_missile_test (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090629/ap_on_re_us/us_missile_test)
"Lt. Raymond Geoffroy (JEFF-rey) said the ICBM was launched from Vandenberg Air Force Base at 3:01 a.m. Monday.
He said it carried three unarmed re-entry vehicles that hit their targets near the Kwajalein Atoll in the Marshall Islands, some 4,200 miles away."
Good response from our guys. Not so subtle way of saying, "Hey NK, you guys can't even get one successfull rocket launch right, but we just put 3 RV's on target 4200 miles away with one of our older missile systems. Good luck with that 'wipe the United States from the planet' thing."
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090629/ap_on_re_us/us_missile_test (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090629/ap_on_re_us/us_missile_test)
"Lt. Raymond Geoffroy (JEFF-rey) said the ICBM was launched from Vandenberg Air Force Base at 3:01 a.m. Monday.
He said it carried three unarmed re-entry vehicles that hit their targets near the Kwajalein Atoll in the Marshall Islands, some 4,200 miles away."
Good response from our guys. Not so subtle way of saying, "Hey NK, you guys can't even get one successfull rocket launch right, but we just put 3 RV's on target 4200 miles away with one of our older missile systems. Good luck with that 'wipe the United States from the planet' thing."
:aok :rofl
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He he two words "Star Wars" the greatest deterrent that never was. Thank you Ronald Reagan you are missed.
I saw this movie once....
Shows a red white and blue barrel with a good size nuclear weapon sitting next to it.
Next scene shows the same barrel with the White House in the back ground.
Catch my drift? StarWars was, and still is, a waste of money....its simply can be subverted. If we cant stop gangsters piling tons of drugs into the country you think a 30-40lb nuke will be hard? The missile defense shield can stop a couple of missiles with a high degree of reliability if its in position to do so.
Anyone ever see the kill vehicle on the new ABM missile? Its about the size of a bread box!
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Catch my drift? StarWars was, and still is, a waste of money....
Um. That's why he referred to it as the greatest weapons system that never was. There is the belief out there that Star Wars was pushed to the forefront even though the technology wasn't there in order to encourage the Soviets to over-spend trying to keep up with the U.S. system that didn't really exist. At least not an any kind of pre-deployment development stage.
-Sik
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The Star Wars program was a bigger piece of vapor ware than Duke Nukem Forever. It never worked to the point of being practical. Was it a waste of money, yes, but it advanced some of the tech of the day. What I was talking about was that and MAD went a long way in preventing a nuclear war. I mean look at the facts the US had more long range nuclear weapons. The downside was that most if not all were stationary. The Soviets had a whole lot more short to medium range portable delivery systems along with a tremendous amount of "Boomers" along with their long range ICBMs. So it's extremely difficult to find the mobile launch platforms located out in the boonies until they start the procedure to launch and at that point it would be difficult to take the launcher out. Now by saying that we can destroy any missiles before they get to us and not having to prove it, is simply amazing that our bluff wasn't called. Of course to do that would have taken a full scale invasion/full first strike which would prompt a retaliatory strike and poof instant radioactive stone age again. Besides this is all academic the star wars program was canceled when it got out that it didn't exist/never worked. The government did keep up work on missile defence systems as it should have. It's not the nukes you have to worry about its the chemical/biological you have to be worried about. Just because it's so much easier to deliver either one of those.