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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Bear69 on August 21, 2009, 01:41:13 PM
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ENY is such a joke, 2 MA's 1 full the other has less than 100 but the ENY is 25.... and low and behold the side that has low numbers causing the eny... is hoarding the other MA. go back to 1 LW MA.... life was so much better then. Can't you at least turn ENY off if arena numbers under 100 and only have it engage if arena has over 100 people in it..or 150?? for those of us that play during the day this is a constant annoyance that really takes away from the game.
Bear69
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OOH eny just jumped to 29...cant do a thing.... 32-27-15.... this is just plain crazy can't something be done.
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You might have missed it the first hundred times....
Change to the lower side..... more targets.
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well many of us do care a lil what country we're on or flying in a squad..... just dump the eny...at least when numbers in the area are small.
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You might have missed it the first hundred times....
Change to the lower side..... more targets.
Ding! Ding! Ding! :aok
well many of us do care a lil what country we're on
Why? Don't say because of your squad. We have plenty of squads that switch countries when ENY is out of whack.
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ya and then be stuck there for a while..... all changes aren't good ... it worked fine before... go back to the old way again
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Give the EW birds a try. ;)
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Give the EW birds a try. ;)
Or midwar....
38-G, 109-G6 and down, 190 A-8 all very capable planes. P-40E as well if you are patient.
G-6 is the best of the lot IMO :)
Or switch sides. Or switch arenas.
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well many of us do care a lil what country we're on or flying in a squad..... just dump the eny...at least when numbers in the area are small.
should that happen, you'd be swarmed with 262's and tiffies.
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ya and then be stuck there for a while..... all changes aren't good ... it worked fine before... go back to the old way again
Umm Your stuck on one side now and your not happy.... spread your wings.
All the teams are more alike than different.
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and end up fighting squadies..... ummmm no. or should i restrict myself even more and only fight one country??? amd as far as getting rid of eny... well make the plane costs fixed as well in a small arena... so they wont be grabbing cheap 262's
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ya and then be stuck there for a while..... all changes aren't good ... it worked fine before... go back to the old way again
No. the old system didn't work, that's why it was changed.
ack-ack
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and end up fighting squadies..... ummmm no. or should i restrict myself even more and only fight one country??? amd as far as getting rid of eny... well make the plane costs fixed as well in a small arena... so they wont be grabbing cheap 262's
If it's making you mad it's doing it's job. ENY makes it so your horde has restrictions. Plane cost are set by ENY to act as a horde controller. How would you like it if you couldn't take a jet or Temp to defend against the horde?
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OOH eny just jumped to 29...cant do a thing.... 32-27-15.... this is just plain crazy can't something be done.
that usually happens when 2 sides are ganging the other. convince your countrymen to fight on both fronts usually helps, if they can manage a fair fight that is.
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Can't we have a 2-front ENY system?
IE
ROOKS 120 ENY 24
BISH 118 ENY 23
KNIGHT 72
New version (for large maps):
ROOKS 120 ENY 24 KNIGHT ENY 0 BISH
BISH 118 ENY 23 KNIGHT ENY 0 ROOK
KNIGHT 72 ENY 0 BISH ENY 0 ROOK
This keeps the fight "fair" on the knight fronts and keeps the fight "fun" on the other 2 fronts.
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nevermind.. misread that..
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I love ENY :aok
And no matter how bad it is, the 109G-2 and F-4 are always available and still able to take on ever fighter the other side can throw at me.
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ENY is only a problem for the people who are unwilling to understand that it is affecting them because of the decisions they've made. There are ways to avoid it if the player chooses, whatever the reason they choose not to it's still their decision to remain and be adversely affected by ENY restrictions.
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Grab some JUGS and go for a ride.
:rofl
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ENY is only a problem for the people who are unwilling to understand that it is affecting them because of the decisions they've made. There are ways to avoid it if the player chooses, whatever the reason they choose not to it's still their decision to remain and be adversely affected by ENY restrictions.
QFT
:salute
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If you're a luftweenie like me =), you don't need to worry about ENY. Of course those like moot who fly the 152 wont be able to take one up, but the next highest bird is the dora which is at 15 ENY not to bad. There's also the F-4, G series, and the 190A8 if things get really bad with ENY.
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I love ENY :aok
And no matter how bad it is, the 109G-2 and F-4 are always available and still able to take on ever fighter the other side can throw at me.
As well as the 190 A-8 :aok
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As well as the 190 A-8 :aok
Uh.. not really
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Give the EW birds a try. ;)
Once again spikes, your point is mute, no one is listening to you, all eyes are on your Avatar, and god bless you for that.
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and end up fighting squadies..... ummmm no. or should i restrict myself even more and only fight one country??? amd as far as getting rid of eny... well make the plane costs fixed as well in a small arena... so they wont be grabbing cheap 262's
Some of the best fight I've had were against squadies, and the cheap 262 are great against the horde weenies.
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Don't think the ENY should go away. Just needs to be tweaked.
It should be based on # of people in flight.
Arena caps should always be divisible by 3. When arena caps are stuck on 200, at least 1 country will have less people, make it 210 instead.
And ENY should be disabled the same time each night that the LW Orange switches the cap to 400 (which should be 405). Just some things that IMO could make things with ENY better.
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well many of us do care a lil what country we're on or flying in a squad..... just dump the eny...at least when numbers in the area are small.
If you refuse to switch countries, then the price you pay is a high ENY. Thats all there is to it. If you don't want to pay, switch <---- and that could be meant either of two ways :devil
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I have found that opportunities abound for those of us who do not want to switch countries. I will fly EW, MW, LWO, LWB, and even the DA on occasion to escape the ENY woes. There is fun to be had you just gotta look for it. :aok
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Uh.. not really
Haven't had too many times where I couldn't get one. :D
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Alteast make the ENY cap 25 so you can atleast drive a panzer, a t34-76 cant kill nothin.
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Haven't had too many times where I couldn't get one. :D
I was more referring to "can take on every fighter the enemy can throw at me"
You can't really say that for the A8
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I was more referring to "can take on every fighter the enemy can throw at me"
You can't really say that for the A8
True.
:salute
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I was more referring to "can take on every fighter the enemy can throw at me"
You can't really say that for the A8
1v1 sure, but ENY is based on numbers. how about 3x Spit IX vs 2x Spit XVI, equal pilots, for example?
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Don't think the ENY should go away. Just needs to be tweaked.
It should be based on # of people in flight.
It's been described countless times why this won't work.
The shorthand version is everyone would suddenly find the mission feature.
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Tired of summer re runs, let's find something original to beat like a dead horse.
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I like ENY, I just wish the F4U-1 was set to 40 ENY and the F4U-1A to 30, that way when Rooks have excessive numbers for some reason, we can still fly the best Navy bird out there.
I like ENY, it forces people out of their base-taking N1Ks and HOberry Spits, and into their P-47s and Yaks, which they can barely get off the ground.
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OOH eny just jumped to 29...cant do a thing.... 32-27-15.... this is just plain crazy can't something be done.
No such thing as a fair fight...here or anywhere.
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Once again spikes, your point is mute, no one is listening to you, all eyes are on your Avatar, and god bless you for that.
Uh that should be "moot"...as in less than useful...if he's talking and people can hear him he's not mute. :P
So Bear, the ENY gets porked and now you can't fly your uberstank plane...and you don't want to change countries so you can...sounds like a personal problem...and your post (as everyone is telling you) is a fail.
:cry :cry :cry :cry
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This thread is more proof that ENY works as intended. :devil
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So Bear, the ENY gets porked and now you can't fly your uberstank plane...and you don't want to change countries so you can...sounds like a personal problem...and your post (as everyone is telling you) is a fail.
QFT
Branch out and try something different. Fly a plane you normally don't. Have fun...it's a game. Sounds like you have very poor ACM skills and rely upon high ENY planes and the horde to make up for it.
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:cry
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Bear69. Not Bear76.
Just saying
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The irony about changing sides is many will change in a second to the higher side if they think they are going to get the "win teh war!!1!" perk points or are tired of getting whacked before they can get their wheels off the ground.
No one complains about being on the side getting horded. They just log off.
wrongway
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One of the most rewarding parts of this game is switching sides and killing squadmates, especially when they just did an NOE flight for over half an hour in a goon. :devil
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Bear69. Not Bear76.
Just saying
Don't know either of them. :aok
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Alteast make the ENY cap 25 so you can atleast drive a panzer, a t34-76 cant kill nothin.
Actually, the ENY cap would have to be maxed out at 24 for that to happen.
I agree that the current cap of 29 is too high. It needs to be lowered some.
ENY was one of the turn-offs that caused most of my squad mates to ditch Aces High II last month. Although it was difficulties with the latest update that was the final straw for them. But a number of guys mentioned that they were sick of ENY being so high. All officers in our squad ( other than myself ) left the game to go play Battleground Europe.
HiTech needs to realize that the current ENY system is turning people off to the game.
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anyone we know?
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To get ENY to 29 the numbers have to be skewed massively.
And when they are, it's simply because of the choices players have made.
If ENY 29 makes you so sick that you leave the game, all hope is lost anyway.
You could simply have taken your squad to the other side. You could even have continued to support your "original" country, by fighting the 3rd country exclusively
But no.. you want to have numbers AND superior material.
Ever thought how that other side feels that is completely outnumbered while horde is crying about not being able to fly late war hotrods?
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To get ENY to 29 the numbers have to be skewed massively.
And when they are, it's simply because of the choices players have made.
If ENY 29 makes you so sick that you leave the game, all hope is lost anyway.
You could simply have taken your squad to the other side. You could even have continued to support your "original" country, by fighting the 3rd country exclusively
But no.. you want to have numbers AND superior material.
Ever thought how that other side feels that is completely outnumbered while horde is crying about not being able to fly late war hotrods?
+1(or 50 if rook) :aok
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ENY is such a joke, 2 MA's 1 full the other has less than 100 but the ENY is 25.... and low and behold the side that has low numbers causing the eny... is hoarding the other MA. go back to 1 LW MA.... life was so much better then. Can't you at least turn ENY off if arena numbers under 100 and only have it engage if arena has over 100 people in it..or 150?? for those of us that play during the day this is a constant annoyance that really takes away from the game.
Bear69
Stop whining and get out of your uber Hurrican!
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Earlier today, nits had ENY of 22 with 159 players. Bish had ENY of 6 with 151 players.
I'm on right now, nits have ENY of 6 with 74 players and 25 fields. Bish have 0 ENY with 80 players and 43 fields.
:furious
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Yayyy. another ENY thread!
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Opps...yer right Lusche :uhoh
Please disregard this post...
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Was on earlier today, Nits ENY was 22 with 159 players. Bish was 6 with 151 players.
Logged on later and Nits had ENY of 6 with 68 players. Bish had ENY of 0 with 80 players
:furious
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nits have ENY of 6 with 74 players
Bish have 0 ENY with 80 players
? :huh
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And how many Rooks were there?
You seem to have left out a little, teeny bit of crucial information.
On yeah, cheese with that?
:cry
wrongway
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ENY rocks! :rock
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To get ENY to 29 the numbers have to be skewed massively.
And when they are, it's simply because of the choices players have made.
If ENY 29 makes you so sick that you leave the game, all hope is lost anyway.
You could simply have taken your squad to the other side. You could even have continued to support your "original" country, by fighting the 3rd country exclusively
But no.. you want to have numbers AND superior material.
Ever thought how that other side feels that is completely outnumbered while horde is crying about not being able to fly late war hotrods?
That is quite a significant mischaracterization by you, for at 29, there really isn't much that one can either fly or drive.
ENY helped turn off the leadership of my squad to the game. Then when the problems with the new release hit, that was the final straw for them. They all left for Battleground Europe. However, I, myself, just cannot get into that game.
I may just quit the game myself, and spend my time doing more productive things with other hobbies. I am getting to be pretty old to still be playing computer games. This is now the second time that I have been in a squad that I liked a lot, and had it self-destruct on me. It is a most frustrating experience. And I've now been through it twice.
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Why not just change countries?
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Why dont you guys just fly a P38G,190A8,P40E,SpitV?
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That is quite a significant mischaracterization by you, for at 29, there really isn't much that one can either fly or drive.
That's not true:
(http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/6797/clipboard01eyy.jpg)
Many players do just dismiss ENY 30 planes. And while some are indeed no easy rides, there are a few hidden gems.
Particularly the 109F-4 and G-2 can take on ANY fighter in the game. Did you know the F-4 outturns the Spit 16? ;)
Also keep in mind ENY 29 means a significant numerical advantage. Should be possible to overhwelm a outnumbered enemy with a mix of HOing A8's and BnZ 109-G2's...
Should you happen to find youself fighting the third country: If it has numbers similar to your side, it will have a similar ENY.
Let's face it: ENY 29 is quite rare. (Yes it is, I'm playing almost 24/7 for 4 years now ;) )
And ENY HAS to hurt when numebr sare that lopsided.... there wouldn't be any point in ENY not hurting anyone at all.
And I have to admit I am always laughing when I hear the "BS ENY! CANT FLY!" screams, and I check the numbers just to find ENY being at 11 only :rofl
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Some people can only fly Spit16's.
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Some people can only fly Spit16's.
I'd say most of those just think they can't fly anything else ;)
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That's not true:
(http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/6797/clipboard01eyy.jpg)
Many players do just dismiss ENY 30 planes. And while some are indeed no easy rides, there are a few hidden gems.
Particularly the 109F-4 and G-2 can take on ANY fighter in the game. Did you know the F-4 outturns the Spit 16? ;)
Also keep in mind ENY 29 means a significant numerical advantage. Should be possible to overhwelm a outnumbered enemy with a mix of HOing A8's and BnZ 109-G2's...
Should you happen to find youself fighting the third country: If it has numbers similar to your side, it will have a similar ENY.
Let's face it: ENY 29 is quite rare. (Yes it is, I'm playing almost 24/7 for 4 years now ;) )
And ENY HAS to hurt when numebr sare that lopsided.... there wouldn't be any point in ENY not hurting anyone at all.
And I have to admit I am always laughing when I hear the "BS ENY! CANT FLY!" screams, and I check the numbers just to find ENY being at 11 only :rofl
And it would be good to hear what players are looking for by removing ENY. What would happen then? Steam roll onto reset with little fun gameplay in the process. Steam rolled country would log off, and steam roller country would find nothing to shoot at without 2 more friendlies trying to "help"; minor but significant point IMO is that you'd have terrible odds of learning the finer and more enjoyable points of air combat - ACM/gunnery/SA skills, teamwork, etc.
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I often quit playing when ENY reaches 15, can't fly my f4U. Well unless I am in base capturing mode.
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I often quit playing when NOE reaches 15, can't fly my f4U. Well unless I am in base capturing mode.
NOE is up to 500 :P
And there is a F4U with ENY 25... just saying ;)
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NOE is up to 500 :P
But how much more fun would NOE raids be if you had to be under 15 feet? :lol Better hope there aren't any trees.
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Yes i have heard all of the arguments throughout the several years i have been playing, and the just switch sides argument posted by hitec and numerous individuals has one major flaw! when you log back on to your country some one will eventually say....."didn't i just shoot you down?!" or visa verse.
This wouldn't be a problem except for the few people who find it funny to spy and ruin that portion of the game. so good luck with the eny incentive
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I often quit playing when NOE reaches 15, can't fly my f4U. Well unless I am in base capturing mode.
Why not switch sides?This wouldn't be a problem except for the few people who find it funny to spy and ruin that portion of the game. so good luck with the eny incentive
So it's wrong to switch to even the sides and get the rides you want, because a handful of other people spy? Two wrongs make a right?
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This is just a case of people wanting to eat their cake and have it too.
1. If your country has #s and you refuse to change countries, learn to fly high ENY planes.
2. If your country has #s and you insist on flying low ENY planes, switch countries.
You can't have everything all the time. ENY is AWESOME! :aok
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Yes i have heard all of the arguments throughout the several years i have been playing, and the just switch sides argument posted by hitec and numerous individuals has one major flaw! when you log back on to your country some one will eventually say....."didn't i just shoot you down?!" or visa verse.
This wouldn't be a problem except for the few people who find it funny to spy and ruin that portion of the game. so good luck with the eny incentive
I flew Bish last night. No one said a thing.
wrongway
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I flew Bish last night. No one said a thing.
wrongway
Finished de-contamination yet? ;)
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But how much more fun would NOE raids be if you had to be under 15 feet? :lol Better hope there aren't any trees.
Oops! :o
Corrected.
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Why not switch sides?So it's wrong to switch to even the sides and get the rides you want, because a handful of other people spy? Two wrongs make a right?
I switch sides some.
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Yes i have heard all of the arguments throughout the several years i have been playing, and the just switch sides argument posted by hitec and numerous individuals has one major flaw! when you log back on to your country some one will eventually say....."didn't i just shoot you down?!" or visa verse.
This wouldn't be a problem except for the few people who find it funny to spy and ruin that portion of the game. so good luck with the eny incentive
The only flaw I see is anyone taking this so serious as to worry about spies.
Having switched often, I have yet to have anyone get worked up about it whether they shot me down or vice versa.
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I logged into EW the other day (early) and found my normal Rook side had 8, bish 1, and nit 1. Nobody attacking nit so I switched bish to find a fight. Second kill I made was my squaddie. :devil
We had a good laugh, cuz it's just a game. I switch not because eny won't let me up an uber ride...I like the fights, not the easy base captures.
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Getback if you only not switch when the other side has the numbers advantage, how do you find yourself stuck with 15+ ENY?
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FW 190A-5 ENY 25 Highest K/D Ratio in Tour 115 2.62
It Turns, It Burns, It throws 20MM.
Nuff Said
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I agrre with the guys who hate ENY. Ya ll should quit the game, that will show HiTech who is boss, plus if enough of you leave, it will lower ENY. Good luck fellas
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I agrre with the guys who hate ENY. Ya ll should quit the game, that will show HiTech who is boss, plus if enough of you leave, it will lower ENY. Good luck fellas
ROFLMAO!!! :rofl
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Getback if you only not switch when the other side has the numbers advantage, how do you find yourself stuck with 15+ ENY?
Dang it, you caught me! I went back and corrected what I said after thinking it through.
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The only flaw I see is anyone taking this so serious as to worry about spies.
Having switched often, I have yet to have anyone get worked up about it whether they shot me down or vice versa.
Yes, but everyone likes you. I switched to Bishops once in order to fly DDGhost and some of his buddies. The chewing out I got over 200 and PMs from some patriotic Rooks was more scathing than that glance you get from the popular girl that says, "You are lucky I even look in your general direction," to say the least.
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Everyone knows your a spy guppy. No sense making the announcement on country channel
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That's not true:
No, it is indeed true. You are being extremely disingenuous here. Who wants to be limited to using the very worst planes and vehicles in the game?
In any event, the issue was enough to help destroy the squad that I used to fly with, and ( combined with headaches with the new release of the game ) convince the entire leadership to switch to Battleground Europe. So now I find myself without a squad to fly with.
And to be honest, I don't know another Knights Squad that I am all that impressed with.
So I have quite a predicament now. My main enjoyment of playing the game was being part of a well organized team. And I no longer have that.
It has been a very discouraging experience.
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No, it is indeed true. You are being extremely disingenuous here. Who wants to be limited to using the very worst planes and vehicles in the game?
In any event, the issue was enough to help destroy the squad that I used to fly with, and ( combined with headaches with the new release of the game ) convince the entire leadership to switch to Battleground Europe. So now I find myself without a squad to fly with.
And to be honest, I don't know another Knights Squad that I am all that impressed with.
So I have quite a predicament now. My main enjoyment of playing the game was being part of a well organized team. And I no longer have that.
It has been a very discouraging experience.
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Your squad left because of Eny? Wow. Even if they were committed to knights, usually if knights have a numbers advantage in one arena, they are the underdog in the other arena. Why not just switch to Blue? Too many lepers in there?
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The only flaw I see is anyone taking this so serious as to worry about spies.
Having switched often, I have yet to have anyone get worked up about it whether they shot me down or vice versa.
So says teh uber spiezez haxxor :furious
:P
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No, it is indeed true. You are being extremely disingenuous here. Who wants to be limited to using the very worst planes and vehicles in the game?
Your being extremely myopic here ... it's all about YOU ... who wants to be ganged by your country that has 3 or 4 times the number of people in my country ... and you all are flying the 5 ENY planes.
I guess you weren't around in the days before ENY. The scenario that I described above was an every day reality just before ENY came into effect. It sucked, day after day, and was worse than any ENY restriction that you may have to endure in 1 night or 1 hour. People were logging off in droves and subscriptions were being lost ... which prompted HTC to come up with ENY. ENY was born from a huge thread discussion with HTC and the players and it was a player's idea.
Grow a set a learn to fly the high ENY planes if you must/have to fly with the country that has the most lopsided members.
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Your being extremely myopic here ... it's all about YOU ... who wants to be ganged by your country that has 3 or 4 times the number of people in my country ... and you all are flying the 5 ENY planes.
I guess you weren't around in the days before ENY. The scenario that I described above was an every day reality just before ENY came into effect. It sucked, day after day, and was worse than any ENY restriction that you may have to endure in 1 night or 1 hour. People were logging off in droves and subscriptions were being lost ... which prompted HTC to come up with ENY. ENY was born from a huge thread discussion with HTC and the players and it was a player's idea.
Grow a set a learn to fly the high ENY planes if you must/have to fly with the country that has the most lopsided members.
Sounds like it's working.... :D
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Your being extremely myopic here ... it's all about YOU ... who wants to be ganged by your country that has 3 or 4 times the number of people in my country ... and you all are flying the 5 ENY planes.
I guess you weren't around in the days before ENY. The scenario that I described above was an every day reality just before ENY came into effect. It sucked, day after day, and was worse than any ENY restriction that you may have to endure in 1 night or 1 hour. People were logging off in droves and subscriptions were being lost ... which prompted HTC to come up with ENY. ENY was born from a huge thread discussion with HTC and the players and it was a player's idea.
Grow a set a learn to fly the high ENY planes if you must/have to fly with the country that has the most lopsided members.
None of you guys have even bothered to listen to anything that I have said in this thread. I've lost the friends that I used to play the game with. The squad that I was in, the Screaming Devils and its sister squad, the Hades Angels, are no more. They are Kaput! Finished! Extinct!
One of their biggest beefs with the game was with ENY. But it was the latest release of the game that was the straw that broke the camel's back, and caused them to leave and go try another game.
Anyway, now that I lost the people that I enjoyed playing with, the game really has lost its attraction for me. As I said earlier, I am going to devote more time to my other hobbies, and give up gaming entirely. It is just not fun for me anymore.
I closed my account a few minutes ago.
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It kinda sucks that you think that all that matter's were the ppl in the sqaud with u. If everyone in my sqaud quit today i could and WOULD find some one else to fly with. I been playing this game for 5 years and made enuff friends not in my sqaud to continue playing. :salute I find flying against the horde fun. Makes life interesting flying into horde and getting them excited. But eny usaully not a problem since i fly the 190a8 as a main ride.
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None of you guys have even bothered to listen to anything that I have said in this thread. I've lost the friends that I used to play the game with. The squad that I was in, the Screaming Devils and its sister squad, the Hades Angels, are no more. They are Kaput! Finished! Extinct!
One of their biggest beefs with the game was with ENY. But it was the latest release of the game that was the straw that broke the camel's back, and caused them to leave and go try another game.
Anyway, now that I lost the people that I enjoyed playing with, the game really has lost its attraction for me. As I said earlier, I am going to devote more time to my other hobbies, and give up gaming entirely. It is just not fun for me anymore.
I closed my account a few minutes ago.
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Many people have listened, but you seem to not really listen to the other people. You seem to not take into account what other people say, and just repeat what you have said before.
Have you considered that it is not really ENY that is causing people in your squad to leave? How long has ENY been implemented? How many of your squad started playing prior to ENY being implemented? If they started after why is it ENY is now causing them to leave but did not before?
Have you considered that more people were leaving before ENY was implemented. So your argument is that we should have more people leave AH so that you can still play with your squad? Because that is what your desire leads to. So now is this really what your asking for, or is it I am just not listening to you?
HiTech
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Many people have listened, but you seem to not really listen to the other people. You seem to not take into account what other people say, and just repeat what you have said before.
Have you considered that it is not really ENY that is causing people in your squad to leave? How long has ENY been implemented? How many of your squad started playing prior to ENY being implemented? If they started after why is it ENY is now causing them to leave but did not before?
Have you considered that more people were leaving before ENY was implemented. So your argument is that we should have more people leave AH so that you can still play with your squad? Because that is what your desire leads to. So now is this really what your asking for, or is it I am just not listening to you?
HiTech
+1
ENY whines are really getting old.
WTFG on the spelling BTW. No errors :O
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Even if they were committed to knights, usually if knights have a numbers advantage in one arena, they are the underdog in the other arena. Why not just switch to Blue? Too many lepers in there?
This is massive flaw # 1 in the ENY-apoligetics. Usually Blue IS the arena with the horrible ENY, and you can't just go to Orange because Orange has 280 people online and a cap of 100.
Massive flaw # 2 is "If you want to have your horde..." Wanting has nothing to do with it. No one can make other pilots log off, or make one of the other countries distribute itself more evenly between the arenas. And flying with a horde or away from the horde has little to do with the number of folks online.
So while, yes, it's technically true that ENY problems are linked to players' choices, the game mechanics combine to severely restrict the choices available to any given individual, make the experience depend on a lot besides that player's choices, and aren't tied to the choices that most determine gameplay.
If ENY and arena caps were linked so no one was forced to play in an arena with a big side imbalance (either way) a lot of the problem would go away. I don't see how that could be hard to do or a bad idea. You have to exit the arena to change countries and the arena cap you see is for your country only. Instead of forcing people to switch sides, usher them to the arena where they're needed. I don't think I've ever seen a bad ENY situation in LW that wasn't caused by distribution between the arenas as opposed to the number of people actually online.
I don't understand the contempt so many here have for wanting to play for the same team steadily. But then I don't understand a lot of the contempt this place is dripping with in general. This forum is easily the rudest and most thoughtless hobby forum I've ever seen, and I've seen a LOT of forums for a lot of different hobbies. A lot of folks here need to switch to gel insoles or Wheaties that haven't been peed in or something, I don't know what it is. :rolleyes:
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.If ENY and arena caps were linked so no one was forced to play in an arena with a big side imbalance (either way) a lot of the problem would go away.
ENY was introduced when there was only 1 arena and NO caps at all. Side imbalances did still occur regularly. That's why ENY was invented in the first place.
Instead of forcing people to switch sides
Nobody is forced to switch sides.
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This is massive flaw # 1 in the ENY-apoligetics. Usually Blue IS the arena with the horrible ENY, and you can't just go to Orange because Orange has 280 people online and a cap of 100.
Massive flaw # 2 is "If you want to have your horde..." Wanting has nothing to do with it. No one can make other pilots log off, or make one of the other countries distribute itself more evenly between the arenas. And flying with a horde or away from the horde has little to do with the number of folks online.
So while, yes, it's technically true that ENY problems are linked to players' choices, the game mechanics combine to severely restrict the choices available to any given individual, make the experience depend on a lot besides that player's choices, and aren't tied to the choices that most determine gameplay.
If ENY and arena caps were linked so no one was forced to play in an arena with a big side imbalance (either way) a lot of the problem would go away. I don't see how that could be hard to do or a bad idea. You have to exit the arena to change countries and the arena cap you see is for your country only. Instead of forcing people to switch sides, usher them to the arena where they're needed. I don't think I've ever seen a bad ENY situation in LW that wasn't caused by distribution between the arenas as opposed to the number of people actually online.
I don't understand the contempt so many here have for wanting to play for the same team steadily. But then I don't understand a lot of the contempt this place is dripping with in general. This forum is easily the rudest and most thoughtless hobby forum I've ever seen, and I've seen a LOT of forums for a lot of different hobbies. A lot of folks here need to switch to gel insoles or Wheaties that haven't been peed in or something, I don't know what it is. :rolleyes:
If ENY and arena caps were linked so no one was forced to play in an arena with a big side imbalance (either way) a lot of the problem would go away.
Not necessarily true.
Instead of forcing people to switch sides, usher them to the arena where they're needed.
Take your example ... Orange is locked out and the balance within Orange is fine and there is no ENY in effect ... so you log in and your are "ushered" to Blue where "you are needed" and the ENY for Knights is 20 and you are a devote Knight ... now what ? ... you don't want to switch sides, so you are basically in the same exact spot as you are now.
"Ushering" people is not going to solve the problem and more than likely cause a bigger problem.
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So while, yes, it's technically true that ENY problems are linked to players' choices, the game mechanics combine to severely restrict the choices available to any given individual, make the experience depend on a lot besides that player's choices, and aren't tied to the choices that most determine gameplay.
The game mechanics actually do far less than the personal internal limitations the player places on himself. Most the arguments I see about arena caps and ENY are made by people who seem to not be able to see the choice that they can make or have made.
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ENY was introduced when there was only 1 arena and NO caps at all. Side imbalances did still occur regularly. That's why ENY was invented in the first place.
Which is why I propose that ENY and arena caps work with each other instead of at cross purposes.
Take your example ... Orange is locked out and the balance within Orange is fine and there is no ENY in effect ... so you log in and your are "ushered" to Blue where "you are needed" and the ENY for Knights is 20 and you are a devote Knight ... now what ? ... you don't want to switch sides, so you are basically in the same exact spot as you are now.
Aside from late nights I don't believe I've ever seen a situation where one arena had a big imbalance and the other was even-Steven. I won't swear it doesn't happen occasionally, but I think it's very much the exception.
I think the root cause of the dispute is that like many here Hitech doesn't want to allow for people wanting to play for the same team all the time. That seems bizarre to me, but hey, it's his game and he can make whatever rules he wants, and overall it's a great game. But I don't see why anyone should be attacked and insulted for opining that the current ENY system doesn't work well and proposing an alternative approach.
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you think the russians had envy to protect them .. no they had the numbers and mass produced cheap equipment.
envy is just HTC's way of trying to make it fair and in away that may be true. but if your a good pilot the plane isnt gonna make much different. if your a newb your still gonna be shot down.
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The game mechanics actually do far less than the personal internal limitations the player places on himself. Most the arguments I see about arena caps and ENY are made by people who seem to not be able to see the choice that they can make or have made.
+1 :aok
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I think the root cause of the dispute is that like many here Hitech doesn't want to allow for people wanting to play for the same team all the time. That seems bizarre to me, but hey, it's his game and he can make whatever rules he wants, and overall it's a great game. But I don't see why anyone should be attacked and insulted for opining that the current ENY system doesn't work well and proposing an alternative approach.
And you are very mistaken, I really do not care what team anyone plays for.
HiTech
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But I don't see why anyone should be attacked and insulted for opining that the current ENY system doesn't work well and proposing an alternative approach.
Explain how the ENY system doesn't work because from my standpoint it works very well for its intended purposes. Could it be that you don't understand how the ENY system works and therefore are basing your opinion on faulty information?
ack-ack
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Which is why I propose that ENY and arena caps work with each other instead of at cross purposes.
Aside from late nights I don't believe I've ever seen a situation where one arena had a big imbalance and the other was even-Steven. I won't swear it doesn't happen occasionally, but I think it's very much the exception.
I think the root cause of the dispute is that like many here Hitech doesn't want to allow for people wanting to play for the same team all the time. That seems bizarre to me, but hey, it's his game and he can make whatever rules he wants, and overall it's a great game. But I don't see why anyone should be attacked and insulted for opining that the current ENY system doesn't work well and proposing an alternative approach.
Please expound/explain your proposal on how one could connect CAPS and ENY and how it would be better than what we have now ... I am very curious.
Exception or not ... if it's a possibilty, then it will happen, and when it happens, under the conditions that you layed out ... it won't solve anything.
I believe that HiTech has gone to great lengths allowing for people to "play for the same team all the time" ... I don't believe that he will ever force/usher anyone to fly for a country that they don't want to.
What he has done is introduce a "limiter" that will "even things" up in an arena that has numerical imbalances and if YOU CHOOSE to fly for a country that has a superior numerical imbalance ... then you will be limited.
I don't think you were here before ENY was introduced, but the whineage and more than likely loss of subscriptions due to consistent (months at a time) country numbers imbalance was far more prevelent and damaging than ENY limiter could ever be.
Trying getting ganged day in and day out against a country that has 2 to 3 times more people than yours and they were all flying ENY 5 planes ... to put it in a word it ... SUCKED ... BIG TIME ... I have been here now for 7 years and it was just before ENY was introduced I had seriously considered packing it in.
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Im not a big fan of ENY but since I spend the majority of my time on the ground it rarely effects me. The times that it gets so high that I cant drive the tanks I want are very rare and usually last a very short time.
I can see the side of the argument that says arena caps (which Im not a fan of either) can promote continuation of high ENY. As this argument is basically stating that if 1 side is heavily outnumbered then more people for that side cant get in to even it as long as caps are in place. It is then suggested that placing an option on the front screen that allows only the lower numbered sides to enter a capped arena would fix this problem.
While I have no statistics or evidence that would or wouldnt work, nor does anyone else, I would say this about it. From what Ive seen the ENY is typically not caused by the caps and allowing more of the lower number side in wouldnt resolve the situation. I base that on the observation that most times when 1 side is low on numbers in 1 arena and has the highest numbers in the other arena its caused by 1 thing, people leaving the first arena to goto the other arena (usually caused by the other 2 sides ganging them). As was the case for several days last week, Rooks and Bish had high ENY in Orange and very few Knights in there at all. Meanwhile in Blue the Knights had high ENY with very few Rooks or Bish.
This was cause IMO by all the Knights who were "getting ganged" in Orange migrating over to the Blue arena where they knew they would be the horde. Nothing wrong with this if you want to be the horde and not the hordee, however its very clear once again that its players actions dictating and not the ENY or Caps.
So by allowing only the lower numbered country to enter a capped arena where 1 side is way outnumbered wouldnt solve much as players always want to go where they feel they have the superiority. Having that feature on both arenas could prevent that sure..... but then youre introducing just 1 more factor that someone will complain about. Now instead of me seeing Orange with 206/200 and thinking hmmm I might get in there in a few minutes, now Im going to see Orange with 85 Rooks/85 Bish/46 Knights and say...... no chance of getting in there for a few hours. Then look at blue with 100 Knights/30 Rooks/30 Bish and say ya I really want to donate kills to the horde.
Edit: wow that was long winded and probably doesnt make sense, I assure you it sounded wonderful in my head :)
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ENY is not that bad. Would you prefer ACS (Auto Country Selection).
Example:
Rooks:100
Bish:100
Knits:70
You log in and get a message that states you are defaulted to Knights due to low player count. After the Knights reach 100 then it just alternates which county gets each player as they log in. Wow, then those who wish to only fly to certain country would really have something to complain about.
Theres also plenty of planes that can take on the LW monsters that have ENY 25+. Example 2: P-40E 6 .50s, dives nice and turns OK, and with the use of some tactics is a fun plane to fly. Plenty of other planes too (I fly 95% American so I really cant comment on others).
I'm not saying ENY is perfect, but it could be a hell of a lot worse. I think HTC does whats best for everyone, not just one person/one squad/one country. HTC also gives the option to go to EW, MW, 2 LW, and DA arenas, a long with switching sides. I also feel this is usually a one sided discussion. If you're on the side that has ENY 0 and the other countries have ENY in the 20+ range, then I'm sure the low number side isn't saying "OMG Rooks have ENY 27, and Bish have ENY 21, and we have ENY 0, DOWN WITH ENY". I think most are happy there is ENY when it effects the others.
This is just my opinion.
Have a great weekend.
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I think the root cause of the dispute is that like many here Hitech doesn't want to allow for people wanting to play for the same team all the time.
HiTech allows you to play on the same team all the time. He gives you the options and you make your own choice.
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Problem: ENY too high
solution: switch sides
Outcome: Problem solved!
if you're gonna stick with 1 chess peice, deal with it! Othewise have fun!!
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Seems simple enough.
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And you are very mistaken, I really do not care what team anyone plays for.
That isn't what I said. I said it seems, based on quotes people have posted here, that you don't think anyone else should particularly care what team they play for.
Explain how the ENY system doesn't work because from my standpoint it works very well for its intended purposes.
It does not seem to reliably persuade players to switch countries or switch arenas, and it doesn't do much to create more balanced play because balance is affected more by local conditions than by overall numbers. If I'm in an A6M2 being ganged 2-1 or 4-2 by Spit XVIs it makes no difference to me whether there are 150 other players from my country at some other base across the map.
Could it be that you don't understand how the ENY system works and therefore are basing your opinion on faulty information?
No. Disagreement != ignorance.
Please expound/explain your proposal on how one could connect CAPS and ENY and how it would be better than what we have now ... I am very curious.
Certainly. Players who wish to change sides would have to exit the arena and re-enter after changing to their new country. Caps would be based on how many people from your country are in that arena, not the overall number of players in that arena. If 70% of the rooks are in Blue, then the cap for rooks in Blue would be lowered and the cap for rooks in Orange raised. This means the numbers within each country would be proportionately distributed between the arenas: you couldn't have 80 knights, 80 bish, and 20 rooks in Orange and 50 knights, 50 bish, and 100 rooks in Blue. It would also preserve the function of the existing caps because if there are three caps all proportionately balanced then the sum of the three must also be proportionally balanced.
It's just a thought, maybe there are reasons why it won't work. I just put it out there for discussion.
I don't think you were here before ENY was introduced, but the whineage and more than likely loss of subscriptions due to consistent (months at a time) country numbers imbalance was far more prevelent and damaging than ENY limiter could ever be.
No, I wasn't. However, I'm not proposing to scrap ENY entirely, just to run it slightly differently.
I also find the idea of localized ENY intriguing, but it would be much more complicated to implement and I imagine it would have a lot more rough edges and technical difficulties.
While I have no statistics or evidence that would or wouldnt work, nor does anyone else, I would say this about it. From what Ive seen the ENY is typically not caused by the caps and allowing more of the lower number side in wouldnt resolve the situation. I base that on the observation that most times when 1 side is low on numbers in 1 arena and has the highest numbers in the other arena its caused by 1 thing, people leaving the first arena to goto the other arena (usually caused by the other 2 sides ganging them).
Right. But that's EXACTLY what the system I'm proposing would address. The nits wouldn't all be able to do that, because after the first 5 or 10 did the nit cap on the other arena would kick in and the rest of them wouldn't be able to switch - at least until some rooks and bish also switched. Or they could change sides just like they can now.
The point isn't that ENY is caused by caps, it's that addressing ENY and caps together could make each one work better.
This was cause IMO by all the Knights who were "getting ganged" in Orange migrating over to the Blue arena where they knew they would be the horde. Nothing wrong with this if you want to be the horde and not the hordee, however its very clear once again that its players actions dictating and not the ENY or Caps.
True, but from the POV of an individual nit logging on 20 minutes later, there's nothing he can do about it - it's either change sides, be ganged 4-1 the whole time, or have an ENY of 29 and not be able to find any decent fights. This system is meant to address that by making it impossible for the numbers to get that lopsided to begin with.
So by allowing only the lower numbered country to enter a capped arena where 1 side is way outnumbered wouldnt solve much as players always want to go where they feel they have the superiority.
They could want it all they want but they wouldn't be allowed to.
Having that feature on both arenas could prevent that sure..... but then youre introducing just 1 more factor that someone will complain about.
So let them complain. I think "I hate being stuck with this huge imbalance and having to choose between horder and hordee" is an infinitely more legitimate complaint than "The game won't let me team up with 50 buddies and go to the smaller arena and gang everyone 5-1!" To put it another way, if it's about choices, either way there are some restrictions, but I think the array of choices that would result from this system would be better both for the individual and for the game as a whole than the choices offered by the current system.
And you would still always have the option of changing sides if that's how you choose to resolve the situation.
Now instead of me seeing Orange with 206/200 and thinking hmmm I might get in there in a few minutes, now Im going to see Orange with 85 Rooks/85 Bish/46 Knights and say...... no chance of getting in there for a few hours. Then look at blue with 100 Knights/30 Rooks/30 Bish and say ya I really want to donate kills to the horde
But you would never see that, because the country-based caps would never let the balance in either arena get that badly skewed.
Of course, it would still be a problem if there were twice as many knights online as opposed to the same number but all of them piled into one arena. But that's true with the current system too, and I don't see how the one I'm describing would make that any worse.
ENY is not that bad. Would you prefer ACS (Auto Country Selection).
No, but I don't think "It's not the worst possible way" is much of an endorsement.
This is just my opinion.
As is mine. And I find the forums much more rewarding when people do like this and offer their opinions for discussion rather than just tearing into people they disagree with. :salute
Problem: ENY too high
solution: switch sides
Outcome: Problem solved!
if you're gonna stick with 1 chess peice, deal with it! Othewise have fun!!
Problem not solved - or rather, problem solved only by creating a worse problem.
This is what I mean by not respecting the choice to stay with one country. If you want to switch teams twice a day, fine, I'm not going to shout "Spy!" at you or call you a traitor, it is just a game. But I think it's wrong to suggest that preferring otherwise is not a legitimate way to play or a preference to be accounted for whether there's a relatively easy way to do so - in other words, why punish people for staying on the same team when the same purpose can be accomplished without punishing anyone?
And it's not a chess piece, it's a team made up of fellow players for which the chess piece is just an abstract identifier. A sports team is more than its mascot and an AH2 country is more than its chess piece.
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Orange that's not realistic. Take a game population, divide randomly by 3 (initial logon country allocation), and then add squads, ENY, country numbers (some people want to fly horde, others against it), fights, country "allegiance", time zones, and other more or less random factors, and you get a player population that will fluctuate away from a perfectly even distribution at any given time between the 3 countries.
So, you then add the path-of-least-resistance type of gameplay that many of the players follow, and you easily get lopsided country numbers. Lopsided enough that it stops being fun for those on the worse end of those odds.
-------------> ENY.
And it's not a chess piece, it's a team made up of fellow players for which the chess piece is just an abstract identifier. A sports team is more than its mascot and an AH2 country is more than its chess piece.
What did you do when you first played AH?
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and end up fighting squadies..... ummmm no. or should i restrict myself even more and only fight one country??? amd as far as getting rid of eny... well make the plane costs fixed as well in a small arena... so they wont be grabbing cheap 262's
1. What's wrong with cheap 262s? The only side that gets truly cheap 262s is the side being hoarded. Seems fair to me.
2. What's wrong with fighting squadmates? If it's just about not being on a common vox for chatting purposes, I don't know if the >200 channels in the MAs work across countries like they do in the DA, but you could give it a try. But nobody really dies in this game, so "killing" a squadmate need not be seen as some horrible, backstabbing, traitorous act.
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Certainly. Players who wish to change sides would have to exit the arena and re-enter after changing to their new country. Caps would be based on how many people from your country are in that arena, not the overall number of players in that arena. If 70% of the rooks are in Blue, then the cap for rooks in Blue would be lowered and the cap for rooks in Orange raised. This means the numbers within each country would be proportionately distributed between the arenas: you couldn't have 80 knights, 80 bish, and 20 rooks in Orange and 50 knights, 50 bish, and 100 rooks in Blue. It would also preserve the function of the existing caps because if there are three caps all proportionately balanced then the sum of the three must also be proportionally balanced.
It's just a thought, maybe there are reasons why it won't work. I just put it out there for discussion.
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No, I wasn't. However, I'm not proposing to scrap ENY entirely, just to run it slightly differently.
I also find the idea of localized ENY intriguing, but it would be much more complicated to implement and I imagine it would have a lot more rough edges and technical difficulties.
In response to the 2 sections in the quote above.
I asked the question on how could/would someone connect CAPS and ENY ... you only addressed CAPS ... no mention of ENY.
you couldn't have 80 knights, 80 bish, and 20 rooks in Orange and 50 knights, 50 bish, and 100 rooks in Blue
In the above scenario, it looks like the 20 Rooks in Orange are in deep yogurt ... and ENY should kick in for the Knights and Bish to try and level the playing field ... in the midst of your CAP balancing scenario ... so we are again, in the same boat ... pissed off Knights and Bish who will scream about ENY.
I'm not proposing to scrap ENY entirely, just to run it slightly differently.
Not trying to poke you in the eye on any of this, but I fail to see where ENY was implemented (run slightly different) in your scenario.
Crash ... the bottom line in all of this is to try and make the game as FUN for as many people as possible. The angst that ENY causes if far less than the angst that caused it to be invented/implemented ... so even tho there are some unhappy people who are not having fun as a result of it ... there are far more that are happy because of it (and they might not even know it).
Balancing gameplay and fun in a game like this is like walking on a razors edge ... there is going to be some blood spilled, but you want to keep it to a minimum.
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1. What's wrong with cheap 262s? The only side that gets truly cheap 262s is the side being hoarded. Seems fair to me.
2. What's wrong with fighting squadmates? If it's just about not being on a common vox for chatting purposes, I don't know if the >200 channels in the MAs work across countries like they do in the DA, but you could give it a try. But nobody really dies in this game, so "killing" a squadmate need not be seen as some horrible, backstabbing, traitorous act.
262 is a 262, some are flown well and some not.
On fighting squadmates. It sometimes can be fun and competitive at the same time. I don't mind seeing afew players in the same squad on different sides. As long as their fighting each other. No gamey chit. :aok
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1. What's wrong with cheap 262s? The only side that gets truly cheap 262s is the side being hoarded. Seems fair to me.
Along with the fact that I can probably count on both hands the amount of people that I have seen in the past 7 years that truly know how to use a 262 ... the rest are just posers.
If I hear that Fester or Kappa are in the area in a 262 ... they have my un-divided attention ... otherwise I just casually keep on eye on the 262 and fart in it's general direction ... it's no more dangerous than an N1K in lesser hands.
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Your scenario tends to leave out a few important considerations.
First you assume that players log on to their respective countries evenly. If both arenas are balanced perfectly with 100 players in each then it doesnt take much to upset that balance in either arena....... so if the next 20 players that decide to log on happen to be from the same country.......... then anyone else from that country would be locked out of both arenas for a bit, and both arenas would have high ENY for that country. While this may seem extreme it does happen based on different country numbers and different time zones.
The other example would be something that happens daily. Assuming both arenas are evenly balanced, and in Orange 2 countries are ganging the third. Now players from the third country are going to leave the arena. As your example points out after the first 5-10 then the other arena would be locked to that country, now they either goto MW/EW or simply log off and come here to whine for a bit. That means the Orange arena will once again be stuck with very high ENY for the other 2 countries.
Net gain on solving the problem = zero
Number of players who are still upset and whiney = however many decided to leave Orange because they were getting ganged.
The ENY is not there to balance countries or arenas, its there to balance the equipment.
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+1 :aok batch
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IIRC I went knight just because it seemed appropriate. But that's not the point. There's no inherent difference between the Mets and the Yankees either.
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I asked the question on how could/would someone connect CAPS and ENY ... you only addressed CAPS ... no mention of ENY.
True... what I mean is that the issue that ENY is meant to address - number imbalances - can be addressed better through ENY *and* caps working together. The way ENY works wouldn't change, but situations where ENY kicks in would be less frequent.
you couldn't have 80 knights, 80 bish, and 20 rooks in Orange and 50 knights, 50 bish, and 100 rooks in Blue
In the above scenario, it looks like the 20 Rooks in Orange are in deep yogurt ... and ENY should kick in for the Knights and Bish to try and level the playing field ... in the midst of your CAP balancing scenario ... so we are again, in the same boat ... pissed off Knights and Bish who will scream about ENY.
I don't know how I'm being unclear on this, but apparently I am. There could never BE 20 Rooks in Orange and 100 in Blue, because the rook cap would kick in in Blue long before it got that bad. After the 60th or so rook logs in to Blue, the next 40 or 50 rooks trying to log on would see Blue as full and presumably most of them would go to Orange. On the off chance that they instead all decide to log off or switch countries - which I see as pretty unlikely - ENY is still there.
Crash ... the bottom line in all of this is to try and make the game as FUN for as many people as possible. The angst that ENY causes if far less than the angst that caused it to be invented/implemented ...
Understood. Like I said, I'm not proposing to scrap ENY. What I'm suggesting is a mechanic that would address the problem in another way so that most of the time you don't get to the point where a high ENY is necessary. If you do get to that point, or to address the minor imbalances that would remain, ENY is still there. (I don't know how others feel but I don't mind an ENY of 5 or 10, it's when it gets into the 20s that it becomes really irritating.)
First you assume that players log on to their respective countries evenly.
No, I assume that some imbalances are caused by people from the different countries logging on in different numbers, and some (and I believe this is most) imbalances are caused by similar numbers online being distributed very differently between arenas. My proposal is intended to address the second category. You are correct that it doesn't address the first category. But it doesn't make it any worse either. ENY would still be there so at worst it would be the same as things are now.
If both arenas are balanced perfectly with 100 players in each then it doesnt take much to upset that balance in either arena....... so if the next 20 players that decide to log on happen to be from the same country.......... then anyone else from that country would be locked out of both arenas for a bit,
First, I think a minor imabalance is acceptable and can be addressed as it is now. Second, if there were more knights (for example) in *both* arenas, but distributed proportionately, then both arenas would be open to knights. The country-specific cap for knights doesn't kick in when there are more knights than bish or rooks in arena X. It kicks in when the distribution of knights between Orange and Blue starts to vary significantly from the distribution of all players between Orange and Blue.
The one real problem I can see with this is that it will tend to force huge squads to split between arenas. However, it seems to be generally agreed here that having 20+ people from one squad in one arena at the same time is not a good thing.
The other example would be something that happens daily. Assuming both arenas are evenly balanced, and in Orange 2 countries are ganging the third.
That situation is going to be a problem for any system that attempts side balancing, including ENY as it now exists. There's really no way to address that (with the possible, though maybe unworkable, exception of local ENY effects). And it's really annoying having an ENY of 20+ while still being outnumbered 3-2 or so on both fronts. But, it happens.
Now players from the third country are going to leave the arena. As your example points out after the first 5-10 then the other arena would be locked to that country, now they either goto MW/EW or simply log off and come here to whine for a bit.
I would think most of them would go back to Orange. But really what's being taken from them is the option to flood Blue en masse and gang up on the other countries there, which, again, I think most would agree is not a good situation.
That means the Orange arena will once again be stuck with very high ENY for the other 2 countries.
Net gain on solving the problem = zero
Yes, it is correct that what I'm proposing won't solve every situation. But it will solve others.
The ENY is not there to balance countries or arenas, its there to balance the equipment.
That makes no sense to me. First, it doesn't balance the equipment, it imbalances the equipment in an attempt to balance a disparity of numbers. So a system that addresses the disparity if numbers in some other way doesn't work against ENY, it works alongside it.
Second, it contradicts what most of the folks here - including, IIRC, HiTech - have been saying, that the intended function of ENY is both to motivate people to switch sides and/or arenas, thus balancing the countries, and to use the equipment to offset the disparity if not enough people switch. It's the first function that I don't think it's doing very well.
Anyway, I set out to propose and explain it, and at this point I think I've done that about as well as I can, so I don't think defending it more will serve much purpose. But I do appreciate the points that have been raised in response.
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If you're a luftweenie like me =), you don't need to worry about ENY. Of course those like moot who fly the 152 wont be able to take one up, but the next highest bird is the dora which is at 15 ENY not to bad. There's also the F-4, G series, and the 190A8 if things get really bad with ENY.
Fail Mr.luftweenie, its actually the 110G2 at 10 :aok
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Only problem I have with eny is when Knights have it I cant get 40 perks a sortie in my mossy killing Spit 16s and N1ks :devil
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Many people have listened, but you seem to not really listen to the other people. You seem to not take into account what other people say, and just repeat what you have said before.
Have you considered that it is not really ENY that is causing people in your squad to leave? How long has ENY been implemented? How many of your squad started playing prior to ENY being implemented? If they started after why is it ENY is now causing them to leave but did not before?
Have you considered that more people were leaving before ENY was implemented. So your argument is that we should have more people leave AH so that you can still play with your squad? Because that is what your desire leads to. So now is this really what your asking for, or is it I am just not listening to you?
HiTech
You have not really paid any attention at all or listened to what I have said either. They told me that their unhappiness with how ENY is implemented was indeed a part of their decision. I am not speculating at all about that, so you point on that is totally invalid. However, as I mentioned, it was actually problems with the latest release that was the final straw that caused them to actually depart the game.
Obviously, you are completely unconcerned here that you have lost some customers. For I see no expression at all here by you about that. I'm sort of an indirect casualty, as it was not my decision to disband the squads. I looked at Battleground Europe, and saw a number of issues with that game that I really did not care for. And to be honest, I don't want to go to the bother of learning an entirely new complex game and starting from scratch when I have so many years invested into this game and from Air Warrior.
Likewise, though, I've become extremely disillusioned about playing this game, as I had looked long and hard to find a squad that I enjoyed flying with. I don't even know another Knights squad that I am at all impressed with or would want to join. And I've been a Knight so long, that I really don't know much about either Rook or Bishop squads. In any event, I have other hobbies and interests that I would like to spend more time on at this point in my life. So perhaps the timing of this is all for the best, as I will now be able to devote more time to them.
I just wanted to explain why I was leaving the game. I'm not here to argue with you or anyone else.
And to others commenting in this thread: Yes, my personal relationships with those that I played with were much more important to me than the actual game itself. And to be honest, I feel sorry for anyone who feels that any computer game is more important to them than their interpersonal relationships.
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ENy is not making people leave the game fast enough :devil
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Bye.
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You have not really paid any attention at all or listened to what I have said either. They told me that their unhappiness with how ENY is implemented was indeed a part of their decision. I am not speculating at all about that, so you point on that is totally invalid. However, as I mentioned, it was actually problems with the latest release that was the final straw that caused them to actually depart the game.
Obviously, you are completely unconcerned here that you have lost some customers. For I see no expression at all here by you about that. I'm sort of an indirect casualty, as it was not my decision to disband the squads. I looked at Battleground Europe, and saw a number of issues with that game that I really did not care for. And to be honest, I don't want to go to the bother of learning an entirely new complex game and starting from scratch when I have so many years invested into this game and from Air Warrior.
Likewise, though, I've become extremely disillusioned about playing this game, as I had looked long and hard to find a squad that I enjoyed flying with. I don't even know another Knights squad that I am at all impressed with or would want to join. And I've been a Knight so long, that I really don't know much about either Rook or Bishop squads. In any event, I have other hobbies and interests that I would like to spend more time on at this point in my life. So perhaps the timing of this is all for the best, as I will now be able to devote more time to them.
I just wanted to explain why I was leaving the game. I'm not here to argue with you or anyone else.
And to others commenting in this thread: Yes, my personal relationships with those that I played with were much more important to me than the actual game itself. And to be honest, I feel sorry for anyone who feels that any computer game is more important to them than their interpersonal relationships.
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If the relationships I've built over the years through AW and AH were so fragile that something as trivial as ENY could wreck them, then they aren't much in terms of relationships anyway.
Not once has ENY stopped me from flying with or against the friends I've made in the game.
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man you got owned by hitech. that must suck. lol
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I like to see ppl whining about ENY. :lol
BTW, 29 isnt high enough, imho, 39 would be better :aok
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Looking at the planesets eny values I've noticed that it really doesn't effect the horde.
All the JABO rides don't get effected until 20 and the only bomber that is effected is the lanc at 15.
Wouldn't it make more sense to have the ENY ratings set on how the plane would effect game play not on how "uber" as a fighter?
DL
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DKL ENY is a measure biased to A2A rather than A2G.. Object value is the ground pounding ENY. A P47D40 might carry enough ord to total a lot on the ground, but in the air it's really outperformed by La7s, N1Ks, etc. The D40s and other heavy hitters need the rest of the lower ENY planeset to complement them in order to make an effective horde, the same way dedicated ground attackers like the Il2 and 25H need air cover to be effective.
I dunno if the ENY values and scaling are perfect, but it does ramp up pretty quick when it is activated.
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All the JABO rides don't get effected until 20 and the only bomber that is effected is the lanc at 15.
The NOE horde planes of choice are
110G ENY 10
N1K ENY 5
and to some extend
Typhoon ENY 10
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I just wanted to explain why I was leaving the game. I'm not here to argue with you or anyone else.
And to others commenting in this thread: Yes, my personal relationships with those that I played with were much more important to me than the actual game itself. And to be honest, I feel sorry for anyone who feels that any computer game is more important to them than their interpersonal relationships.
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So leave already, no one really cares why.
And if your "friendships" are effected by what chess piece you are flying for then they aren't very good friendships in the first place.
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I kinda wish that ENY'd play an even bigger part of the game... What if HTC built more of a total war into the Main? Scatter bridges around the map and make them bombable... bring back the ack-fortress steam trains and make them killable too... create supply convoys that steam to ports... tie the strat targets into it too...
Then, make it so that, if a certain percentage of those targets get flattened, a small ENY penalty gets pushed onto nearby bases. maybe 5 to 10 points... 15 in extreme cases. Map makers could tie specific strat targets to specific airfields... Defensive fields further back in friendly territory might not have strat targets so that underdog defenders could flatten attacker's strats and get a bit of a leg up over the steamrolling competition (just like what vehicle spawns encourage)... It could even be limited to frontline bases only.
Finally, write each base's ENY in big numbers on the tower chalkboard so it's crystal-clear what players are getting into when they move to a new base.
It might encourage players to branch out from the top few planes, even if just for a bit... 5 to 10 points wouldn't be too bad anyway. I think that it'd make for some interesting fights... Bombers and strafers would have all sorts of moving (and non-moving) targets to hit (mixing it up from just raiding airfields), and fighters would get plenty of CAP and interdiction work...