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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Mustang T on August 26, 2009, 02:55:55 PM
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This includes dive bombers as well. I have always been a big fan of the Heinkel He-111.(http://www.richard-seaman.com/Wallpaper/Aircraft/Bombers/He111.jpg)
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This includes dive bombers as well. I have always been a big fan of the Heinkel He-111.(http://www.richard-seaman.com/Wallpaper/Aircraft/Bombers/He111.jpg)
I like the Heinkel when it doesn't have Merlins :D
I think the He 111 and the Do 17 are probably the best looking bombers ever. :rock
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(http://www.yorkshire-aircraft.co.uk/aircraft/planes/42/do217.jpg)
heinkel will be good for the BofB scenario and early war. I would like to see the dornier 217 and the TU-2 added as a pair. hell throw in the betty for the japs and this lot will give the Bomber groups loads to play with.
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Im with you on the Dornier 217. That would be a nice addition to the game.
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Im with you on the Dornier 217. That would be a nice addition to the game.
Too bad it's so ugly! :)
Rivals the Lancaster almost :D
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lol yeah
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101III-Pachnike-041-24A,_Flugzeug_Dornier_Do_17,_PK-Filmberichter.jpg)
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(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2434/3726373827_5fb7cd6767_o.png)
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moot,
That one is pretty, but for ones that actually saw service, I think the Ju188 is gorgeous.
(http://www.luftwaffe-reich.co.uk/images/bomber-and-ground-attack/junkers/junkers-ju-188-bomber-1.jpg)
(http://www.world-war-2-planes.com/images/Ju188_gr_tq.jpg)
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Das stuka.
Like the he-111 too
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Ju-88S is nice...
(http://modelingmadness.com/scotts/axis/luft/ju/ju88tbt.jpg)
With 382mph max. speed. the S-3 was a true Schnellbomber. :)
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Im with you on the Dornier 217. That would be a nice addition to the game.
Not to put down your thoughts, but do you think people will fly in it? The Ju-88 only has a strong following as a torpedo bomber, which as far as I know, He-111s and Do-217s were not used in service with torpedo's. I have my doubts, even the tardiest of tards prefer a B-26 or B-25 instead of the Ju-88, what reason would they have to fly the He-111 or Do-217?
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Not to put down your thoughts, but do you think people will fly in it? The Ju-88 only has a strong following as a torpedo bomber, which as far as I know, He-111s and Do-217s were not used in service with torpedo's. I have my doubts, even the tardiest of tards prefer a B-26 or B-25 instead of the Ju-88, what reason would they have to fly the He-111 or Do-217?
early war, mid war...and it will be a fantastic addition for scenarios
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Not to put down your thoughts, but do you think people will fly in it? The Ju-88 only has a strong following as a torpedo bomber, which as far as I know, He-111s and Do-217s were not used in service with torpedo's. I have my doubts, even the tardiest of tards prefer a B-26 or B-25 instead of the Ju-88, what reason would they have to fly the He-111 or Do-217?
Other than the Lancaster, the Ju-88 is the only plane in the game that can reliably take out six hangers.
Used effectively, under clear skies, the Ju-88 is a work horse in the AH2 bomber world.
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Taken down many carriers with torpedos in the 88
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Not to put down your thoughts, but do you think people will fly in it? The Ju-88 only has a strong following as a torpedo bomber, which as far as I know, He-111s and Do-217s were not used in service with torpedo's. I have my doubts, even the tardiest of tards prefer a B-26 or B-25 instead of the Ju-88, what reason would they have to fly the He-111 or Do-217?
You make the assumption that the Do 217 is a contemporary to the Ju 88 or the He 111... this is an incorrect assumption. The Do 217 would be faster, carry a larger bomb load and be better defensively armed than the Ju 88. Dornier's contermporary to the Ju 88 and the He 111 was the Do 17. The Do 217 is a generation onward.
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Completely useless however I have always liked it.
http://www.geocities.com/asymmetrics/bv141.htm
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Other than the Lancaster, the Ju-88 is the only plane in the game that can reliably take out six hangers.
Used effectively, under clear skies, the Ju-88 is a work horse in the AH2 bomber world.
?? Are you on drugs? Take out six hangers? Assuming it would get close enough to the field, and that it would be able to drop all 24 of its bombs directly on the hangers? It only carries lets see, 20 x 50kg bombs and 4 x 250kg bombs, this only equals out to 3,000 lbs if I'm correct, enough to destroy !1! hanger. "But oh yeah, its got drones that drop too" Most all fighters WILL catch you and WILL kill you most likely, I mean its not like a few MGs (less than half of the B-24's amount of MGs or the B-17's) won't protect you from enemy fighters. Yeah, it may dominate the skies of Early and Mid-war, but come on, your going to make a plane just for that? We ALREADY HAVE THE I-16 and BREWSTER.
And just because we do not have it for scenarios, we should add it????? That's crazy, we could have used tons and I mean TONS of other planes in scenarios, that frankly, I doubt we will ever have, but should we add them anyway? Well, you tell me.
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unit791,
The Ju88's loadout totals about 6,600lbs.
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111 because I'd stand a chance of catching it in a Spit I ;)
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?? Are you on drugs? Take out six hangers? Assuming it would get close enough to the field, and that it would be able to drop all 24 of its bombs directly on the hangers? It only carries lets see, 20 x 50kg bombs and 4 x 250kg bombs, this only equals out to 3,000 lbs if I'm correct, enough to destroy !1! hanger. "But oh yeah, its got drones that drop too" Most all fighters WILL catch you and WILL kill you most likely, I mean its not like a few MGs (less than half of the B-24's amount of MGs or the B-17's) won't protect you from enemy fighters. Yeah, it may dominate the skies of Early and Mid-war, but come on, your going to make a plane just for that? We ALREADY HAVE THE I-16 and BREWSTER.
And just because we do not have it for scenarios, we should add it????? That's crazy, we could have used tons and I mean TONS of other planes in scenarios, that frankly, I doubt we will ever have, but should we add them anyway? Well, you tell me.
Please take the time to engage your brain before typing.........
Twenty 50kg bombs is 1000 kilos.......
Four 500kg bombs is 2000 kilos.......
3000 kilos is around 6700 lbs which is several hundred pounds more that the B-17.
As for the hangers....salvo ten 50 kilo bombs for two hangers and salvo one 500 kilo bomb for each hanger afterwards.
For a grand total of SIX hangers.....also, notice the "used effectively, under clear skies" comment.
Edit: Of course this is using formations.....
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Please take the time to engage your brain before typing.........
Twenty 50kg bombs is 1000 kilos.......
Four 500kg bombs is 2000 kilos.......
3000 kilos is around 6700 lbs which is several hundred pounds more that the B-17.
As for the hangers....salvo ten 50 kilo bombs for two hangers and salvo one 500 kilo bomb for each hanger afterwards.
For a grand total of SIX hangers.....also, notice the "used effectively, under clear skies" comment.
Edit: Of course this is using formations.....
The JU-88 hs incredibly low surviability.
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The JU-88 hs incredibly low surviability.
True that is why you fly incredibly high. :aok
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Still, my point is correct, the JU-88 is almost 99% of the time used as only a torp. bomber in the Late War arenas, and is not often used a bomber due to its low survivability. Why would we add the Heinkel which isnt much better?
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Still, my point is correct, the JU-88 is almost 99% of the time used as only a torp. bomber in the Late War arenas,
Your point is not correct. The 88 is used a LOT more as a bomber than a mere 1%. Actually it's used in a pure bomber role most of the time, though of course the absolute numbers are much less than it's Allied counterparts.
Only a tiny fraction of the 107 Ju88's I killed in Late War during this year so far were torpedo bombers.
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If you spend the time to climb to 15,000 feet the Ju-88 is just as survivable as the four engine bombers at lower altitudes. Due to differences in climb rate thats about the same time spent climbing as a 10,000 foot B-24. At a 15,000 feet cruise your going to get to target with a full formation nine out of ten times or better....
Edit: If you go in below 10,000 feet it doesnt matter what bomber your in most of the time at least in high traffic areas anyway.
Strip
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Because we want it for special events.
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Still, my point is correct, the JU-88 is almost 99% of the time used as only a torp. bomber in the Late War arenas, and is not often used a bomber due to its low survivability. Why would we add the Heinkel which isnt much better?
I use it to level bomb cvs. watching the 20 50kg bombs explode popcorn style down the flight deck is priceless.
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I use it to level bomb cvs. watching the 20 50kg bombs explode popcorn style down the flight deck is priceless.
Priceless???? Priceless is droppin 8 500lb'ers down a flightdeck from a DB'in A20, and killin 6 uber fighter pilots in the middle of a baboon takeoff... And on top of that, SINKIN THE BOAT, LOL!!!!! Aggghhhhh HaHaHaHa!!!!
THAT is PRICELESS!!!
RC
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Not to put down your thoughts, but do you think people will fly in it? The Ju-88 only has a strong following as a torpedo bomber, which as far as I know, He-111s and Do-217s were not used in service with torpedo's. I have my doubts, even the tardiest of tards prefer a B-26 or B-25 instead of the Ju-88, what reason would they have to fly the He-111 or Do-217?
I was not talking about putting the planes in, just wondering what everybodys favorite bomber is. It's not like every time we talk about a plane were putting it in.
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I LOVE THE JU-88 WITH TRPS... ITS A POWER HOUSE
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From practical viewpoint, I'd have to say Junkers 88, because its very wide range of capabilities, performance and of course how we Finns used it historically, too. The ability to level bomb or dive bomb, depending on target, was very useful and the extremerely good accuracy was put into good use historically. I just cannot forget the descriptions of the Finnish vets, how 500/1000 kg bombs caused destruction in Russian armor concentrations - or how a 1000 KG bomb completely destroyed a Soviet transport full of soldiers, trying to make naval landing behind Finnish lines. Cruel, yet efficient.
But on the other hand, nothign just beats Heinkel 177 A-4/A-5, how devastating heavy bomber it was, how well armed, how well they fought against Soviets, how efficient they were in naval recon and interdiction in the Atlantic... Yet, how the plane achieved its potential too late.
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Wow I posted this thread expecting to see lots of Ju-87s. There are some bombers i've never even seen before! just a thought, who thinks the He-111 should be put in?
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Your point is not correct. The 88 is used a LOT more as a bomber than a mere 1%. Actually it's used in a pure bomber role most of the time, though of course the absolute numbers are much less than it's Allied counterparts.
Only a tiny fraction of the 107 Ju88's I killed in Late War during this year so far were torpedo bombers.
I rarely ever see JU-88s used as a level bomber, and whenever I just so happen to shoot one down that was level bombing, its usually a zipcode with a 10,000 score.
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I guess since you haven't seen the far side of the moon it doesn't exist either right?
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The JU-88 is a remarkable plane, here in the game as it was in real life.
I find it to be the best handling bomber in the game. It would be kinda fun to have the bomber killer version in the game. If we had night and radar...6 20mm cannon = mincemeat.
If I remember right, at high Alts, the night hunter version was pretty fast.
"Wings", the show, has an awsome JU-88 episode if you ever get the chance to watch it.
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HE177 is my fav
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I like using the ju88 in attack mode without formation :aok it pops those tanks real nice !
Give us the little brother, ju288 !
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moin
im for the He 111 but if it is put in, it should get the v1 rocket pyloon. with out it its only a nice looking bomber and do not knew why i should take it if i can get a ju88.
my other favrits are: The attacker ju88 (i want guns in the nose because 88 is a nice turn fighter)
ju 188
he177 with fritz X option (would be awesom)
cu chris3
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A few variants had a front 20mm right ?
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A few variants had a front 20mm right ?
(http://plane-crazy.purplecloud.net/Aircraft/WW2-Planes/Ju88/Ju88.jpg)
the Ju 88 C6 (6a, 6b and 6c), had two 20 mm (0.79 in) cannon added to its forward armament, the rear MG 15 being replaced by an MG 131. The Ju 88 C6 and the last variant in this series, the C7 (7a, 7b and 7c), were used as both day (6a, 7c) and night (6b, 6c) fighters, while the 7a and 7b were employed in the intruder role.
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ju 88 C-6 is a heavy fighter variant of the Ju 88 A-4. It has armament of 3 7.92mm machineguns, 3 20mm MG/FF cannons and 10 SC-50 bombs. Ju 88 C-6 served in all theaters of war where Luftwaffe fought, and it did fight in many roles too.
Above the Atlantic Ocean, in the Bay of Biscay it intercepted bombers ferried to North Africa and protected the submarines on their way in and out of their bases in western France. In the "Bloody Bay" many battles ensued with the opposing heavy fighters too, Beaufighter and the excellent Mosquito.
Over Germany Ju 88 C-6 was used as a radar equipped nightfighter fending off RAF bombers. This is the role of which the C-6 is motst remembered of.
In the East Front C-6 was also used in big numbers, both as a nightfighter and long range intruder and heavy day fighter. Many bomber squadrons in the east had on of their Staffel's equipped solely with C-6 for intruder missions against the Russian supply trains, colums and depots.
cu chris3
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ok if we can't have the Pe-2 I want that :D
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Give me a Stuka G model with 37's. :D
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Or the R model.