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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: jimson on October 01, 2009, 09:43:21 AM
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Could AvA be revived if it could be programmed to automatically run "snapshot" type scenarios several times a day?
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,274933.0.html
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Something of the sort
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Please lets make this arena as reaslistic as possible....... All the time.
1) Keep strat on, or make it so that when you kill Vehicle Hangars the vehicles are disabled, when you kill the fighter hangars the fighters are disabled. When you kill ammo the ordinance is disabled.
2) Only have 2 color countries, keep the third color country as small as possible on the map and no planes allowed to fly from it. That way the map is owned by two groups: Axis and Allies.
Axis vs Allies should be like a war just like whats available in the plane set. C47s, bombers, vehicles, fighters, etc. We should be more enabled to take fields, defeating an enemy.
Not just air to air combat (isn't that what dueling arena is about?). If you do this, people from the Main arena would populate this arena eventually. After all, they do like taking bases :). Who knows, you might get some squads to compete.
I know I'd fly in the AvA arena more often if historic purpose was put in and have some friends that would probably come over too.
Thanks for the consideration.
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Please lets make this arena as reaslistic as possible....... All the time.
Speaking of keeping it realistic some CM needs to go reset it,everything is enabled at all fields.
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Speaking of keeping it realistic some CM needs to go reset it,everything is enabled at all fields.
Fixed. Skuzzy reset the arenas today for the new campaign. Tables are now reloaded.
Thanks for the heads-up, folks.
- oldman
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Please don't take this in the wrong way, but just going by the 1st 4 of you who have posted in this thread, none of you have been a member of this AH board if not AH entirely......... for more than a yr or two
I suggest you take a few hours ( more like days ) and search back thru all the post involved in this AvsA forum ( old name was CT Forum ( Combat Theatre ) and see the 1,000s of different attempts to change how this arena is used.......
This particular arena is a roller Coaster ride ( ups and downs ) and is a Red Headed Step Child of the overall game.....
every now and again their will be someone who comes along and proposes an idea.... the AvsA regulars , as well as newcomers will all give it a go and after a few months if not sooner.it goes right back to where it was to begin with.....
with that said, the same "old CT players", or new "AvsA players" that are considered regulars, will still be there having the fun that what seems like a selective small amount enjoy day in and day out......
The AvsA is run by all "VOLUNTEER" staff and things are updated or fixed at the most possible convenient time......
but good luck in trying to make it into something else. who knows? throw something against the wall long enough it just might end up sticking :aok
edit: adding a link to an old post by a old CT staffer, a little over a year after the original CT Arena went live:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,70109.msg658555.html#msg658555
especially read Löwe's posted reply in that linked thread......
nothing has changed ;)
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especially read Löwe's posted reply in that linked thread......
Lowe - now known as Shifty - has always been a pretty clever guy.
- oldman
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Fixed. Skuzzy reset the arenas today for the new campaign. Tables are now reloaded.
Thanks for the heads-up, folks.
- oldman
thx oldman :)
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I think what Lowe said back then in 2002 goes here, now, for this thread as well.
:salute
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Please don't take this in the wrong way, but just going by the 1st 4 of you who have posted in this thread, none of you have been a member of this AH board if not AH entirely......... for more than a yr or two
Point taken.
Look, I would just like to see some historical scenario game play that I could participate in, anywhere.
I'd like to try the current AVA, but I never see anyone in there.
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Point taken.
Look, I would just like to see some historical scenario game play that I could participate in, anywhere.
I'd like to try the current AVA, but I never see anyone in there.
There are some good offline flight sims that offer historical play, and there's also FSO. The HA in Warbirds back in the late '90s was a more popular arena than the AvA, and you had to pay $2/hour for that.
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Some things have changed. Löwe is buried in a shallow grave on Bougainville.
Shifty's just an older version with slower reflexes, failing eyesight , and a bad attitude. :D
I'd be happy for the AVA to be the way it was back then. There were more regulars and you could at least get 20 or so in most nights.
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There are some good offline flight sims that offer historical play, and there's also FSO. The HA in Warbirds back in the late '90s was a more popular arena than the AvA, and you had to pay $2/hour for that.
FSO and snapshots are what I like, but can rarely attend.
Link to my Wishlist post. http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,274933.0.html
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You're basically asking for Combat Tour. I was crossing my fingers for it, but it didn't work out. It's a pity.
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You're basically asking for Combat Tour. I was crossing my fingers for it, but it didn't work out. It's a pity.
I believe Combat Tour was to be a campaign that would last days, weeks or more.
I was envisioning a single life event, basically a snapshot scenario that would run and re-run several times a day and change periodically.
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I believe Combat Tour was to be a campaign that would last days, weeks or more.
I was envisioning a single life event, basically a snapshot scenario that would run and re-run several times a day and change periodically.
What you're asking for cant be done unless to things are done.
1. HTC allows CMs to enable missions with AI like you can offline.
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2. The AvA recruits a ton of new CMs so that there would be one on every hour of every day setting up snapshots.
Even then what you are asking for isn't what the AvA is about. What you want is a 24hour SEA.
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What you want is a 24hour SEA.
Pretty much Larry, thanks for "getting it", but instead of 24hr, maybe a couple of missions run in the morning, a couple in the afternoon and a few in the evening.
There would have to be some automation involved so all day staffing wouldn't be required.
AI might have a place in this idea if only to fill unclaimed slots, so the missions could continue with low player numbers.
So Anaxogoras has a point, there might be some Combat Tour elements that could be used.
This started as a wishlist idea and then some suggestions were made that AVA might be the place for it.
Certainly not, if AVA was to continue to exist in it's present form.
Even though I've never had a chance to try AVA, I'd hate to see it die out completely.
I realize this would require some programming effort to bring about even if it was ever considered, but for reasons I noted in the wishlist forum it seems like it might not be so far-fetched.
I do appreciate the feed back.
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Jimson,
I believe if AVA could be taken off life support with a couple of dedicated squads getting the ball rolling. It would help attract other players to the arena. Once you had a healthy AVA community even if it was small... I believe you'd then see the arena dynamics provide pretty much what your looking for without missions being designed or assigned by CMs. Way back in Tour 1 there were enough people flying to where historical type missions popped up on their own. You didn't need schedules or forced missions.
YMMV
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The big hurdle then is having AI aircraft in what's traditionally a human-only game.
For my part, the AI isn't up to a high enough standard for this idea.
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The big hurdle then is having AI aircraft in what's traditionally a human-only game.
For my part, the AI isn't up to a high enough standard for this idea.
Agreed... Nothing is going to replace the fun a live adversary.
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I've seen some good AI in other flight sims. Falcon 4.0 comes to mind.
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I've seen some good AI in other flight sims. Falcon 4.0 comes to mind.
I'm sure there is good AI, but I don't get the same juice flying against it. I wish I did, then I wouldn't have to wait all week for Friday night to get my historical matchup fix. :aok
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hehe, let's face it, killing an AI isn't as satisfying as sssmacking a player back to the tower. :t
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The big hurdle then is having AI aircraft in what's traditionally a human-only game.
For my part, the AI isn't up to a high enough standard for this idea.
Ideally, there would be enough human participants to populate each side.
You might facilitate that by having a minimum number of slots per side and when one side fills, a balancing mechanism would take over to fill the other side and keep them relatively even depending on the needs of the scenario.
If there were slots left open below the minimum, I suppose a couple of AI replacements might not be too much of a detraction.
Of course this is all predicated on there being enough interest for players to say...
"Hey a scenario mission is starting in the "yellow arena" at 2pm. Lets take a break from the MA and go fly that for 30 or 40 minutes and at 4pm when it runs again, I might go fly the other side."
Even though I am finally getting the critical discussion I had hoped for, I probably erred in bringing it here and connecting it with AVA. I apologize for that.
I tried to direct it back to the wishlist forum and in retrospect might have posted in the scenario or snapshot forums, but it might be an abuse to keep rehashing it in all areas of the board.
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Ideally, there would be enough human participants to populate each side.
You might facilitate that by having a minimum number of slots per side and when one side fills, a balancing mechanism would take over to fill the other side and keep them relatively even depending on the needs of the scenario.
If there were slots left open below the minimum, I suppose a couple of AI replacements might not be too much of a detraction.
Of course this is all predicated on there being enough interest for players to say...
"Hey a scenario mission is starting in the "yellow arena" at 2pm. Lets take a break from the MA and go fly that for 30 or 40 minutes and at 4pm when it runs again, I might go fly the other side."
Even though I am finally getting the critical discussion I had hoped for, I probably erred in bringing it here and connecting it with AVA. I apologize for that.
I tried to direct it back to the wishlist forum and in retrospect might have posted in the scenario or snapshot forums, but it might be an abuse to keep rehashing it in all areas of the board.
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Thats the problem, there just isn't enough people interested to make it work. If you could get 70-80 people in there every night you would draw enough notice to get new guys rotating in and out to see whats going on. This would give you enough numbers to make it fun/interesting, as well as having enough numbers so that those few who like to "dictate" game play become the minority instead of the majority.
I'd like flying in there if there was some numbers, there just never really is any.
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Thats the problem, there just isn't enough people interested to make it work. If you could get 70-80 people in there every night you would draw enough notice to get new guys rotating in and out to see whats going on. This would give you enough numbers to make it fun/interesting, as well as having enough numbers so that those few who like to "dictate" game play become the minority instead of the majority.
I'd like flying in there if there was some numbers, there just never really is any.
If you could get a decent start with say just twenty a night it would gradually build IMO. You've got to get a start though and it has to stick. The only way that's going to happen is to get people commited to making it happen and cooperating above all else.
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Thats the problem, there just isn't enough people interested to make it work. If you could get 70-80 people in there every night you would draw enough notice to get new guys rotating in and out to see whats going on. This would give you enough numbers to make it fun/interesting, as well as having enough numbers so that those few who like to "dictate" game play become the minority instead of the majority.
I'd like flying in there if there was some numbers, there just never really is any.
You are talking about AVA in it's present form. For whatever reason, it isn't currently drawing the numbers.
What I'm describing is a much different concept. Scheduled and structured/defined scenario events still have a draw if the success of snapshots and FSO are an indication.
This concept, whether presented in a new arena or an existing one that has been reconfigured, might appeal to that player base, and to the others who would like to try FSO or snapshots but work nights or otherwise cannot play during the US evening hours.
Scheduled start times also have the advantage of concentrating people in at the same time.
I guess it all depends on whether the community's want for a "historical match-up fix" is being satisfied by these weekly events or whether there is room for more.
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What you're asking for cant be done unless to things are done.
1. HTC allows CMs to enable missions with AI like you can offline.
or
2. The AvA recruits a ton of new CMs so that there would be one on every hour of every day setting up snapshots.
Even then what you are asking for isn't what the AvA is about. What you want is a 24hour SEA.
People hate fighting airborne AI. I did a lot of experiments with AI. People are fine killing AI ships or ground vehicles but aren't interested in AI airplanes as opponents.
Instead of tons of CM's HTC needs to develop a scripting language that can perform the functions of the CM. That other game had it and it worked well (in the hands of someone capable of learning and using it.) I used it extensively to the point of creating EXACTLY what shifty is asking for. The automation could not change maps due to limitations in the structure of the game but the scripting language could perform any command a CM could execute plus many other useful functions. It was an incredible tool.
It probably already exists in some form in AH but I don't think HTC has made it public.
To be frank, I don't see too many CM's in AH that have the maturity or patience to properly debug a few thousand lines of script before they turn it loose in an arena. That is probably why HTC isn't too interested in such a thing. It takes lots of effort to learn and create but the results can be spectacular (and replace the endless stream of less than competent CM's).
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To be frank, I don't see too many CM's in AH that have the maturity or patience...
I've defended you in the past, but you sound like an a-hole here. :P
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C'mon... It's dawger. :rolleyes:
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C'mon... It's dawger.
Ah. I thought it was Christ, coming to cleanse the chapel.
- oldman
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People hate fighting airborne AI.
Good thing you speak for everyone because until you made that comment I thought I liked fighting AI. I guess I was wrong then huh.
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Ah. I thought it was Christ, coming to cleanse the chapel.
- oldman
:rofl
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Most of the AH events I've participated the CM was late (Excepting FSO...those guys run a tight ship)
Yes, I'm an utter and compleat bastard because I speak the truth.
Last AvA event I flew in I saw the CM flying 10,000 feet above the altitude cap posted in the rules.
Leadership by example.
So call me all the names you like but police your own backyard.
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Leadership by example.
An excellent point. I have found that unless one possesses great power, it's usually most productive to help by being pleasant and cooperative, rather than by making fun of people.
That's if one wants to help, of course. If a person simply enjoys criticizing others, then he perhaps should expect to receive the same sort of treatment he's dishing out.
- oldman
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Last AvA event I flew in I saw the CM flying 10,000 feet above the altitude cap posted in the rules.
was that particular CM an AvsA Staffer or a actual AH CM Staff member (notice that both are VOLUNTEER STAFF )
if it was an AH Hosted event and runned by CM's then I would say the CM could do pretty much any dang thing they please, as long as they was not actually flying for either side and engaging......if they was flying & POLICE-ing the arena no harm no foul........
if it was an AvsA hosted event by the AvsA Staffers, then it would fall under the same as above...........
but just coming on here and saying such stuff is wrong in everyway....especially for scheduled AH Events........ you should always take it to the correct people in a private manner and let it be handled properly........you of all people, Dawger, should understand this basic well known rule, for you have been a Vol. Staffer ( Trainer ) in a flight sim before.......
as you said "Leadership by example"........and if you gonna make a statement post a film to back yourself up when you email the CM's or AvsA Staffers....
my take on it anyhows.....
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I think the areana could be revived, if some guys dedicated themselves to being there regularly, and by some guys, I mean a handful of medium sized squads. Then, after a brief time period, say a few weeks, when the general population saw 29 -49 guys playing in the AvA every night, when logging on instead of 0 - 5, then it could grow from there. The hook being, those some guys who bite the bullet, sitting in the tower waiting for people to show up, fighting out the first month or so's fights against only eachother, etc...etc... need to share a common cause, and act accordingly...in this case, the revival of the Arena. Anything short of that will fail.
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Most of the AH events I've participated the CM was late (Excepting FSO...those guys run a tight ship)
Yes, I'm an utter and compleat bastard because I speak the truth.
Last AvA event I flew in I saw the CM flying 10,000 feet above the altitude cap posted in the rules.
Leadership by example.
So call me all the names you like but police your own backyard.
CMs run regularly scheduled events in the SEA arenas and they're rarely late, usually out trying to drum up interest in the MAs before an event etc.
The AvA Staff is a separate body of volunteers, and are only obligated to setup their arena once a week and pop into to make corrections when things go wrong.
Any event you've seen in the AvA is usually scheduled by AvA players who are usually NOT staff, so you can question your own pedigree if you wish, :D but you might want to do a little more study of the situation in arena staffing as well.
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I think the areana could be revived, if some guys dedicated themselves to being there regularly, and by some guys, I mean a handful of medium sized squads. Then, after a brief time period, say a few weeks, when the general population saw 29 -49 guys playing in the AvA every night, when logging on instead of 0 - 5, then it could grow from there. The hook being, those some guys who bite the bullet, sitting in the tower waiting for people to show up, fighting out the first month or so's fights against only eachother, etc...etc... need to share a common cause, and act accordingly...in this case, the revival of the Arena. Anything short of that will fail.
+1
The plan is that simple. It is just the implementation that has proven impossible, time and time again... :frown:
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Jimson,
I believe if AVA could be taken off life support with a couple of dedicated squads getting the ball rolling. It would help attract other players to the arena. Once you had a healthy AVA community even if it was small... I believe you'd then see the arena dynamics provide pretty much what your looking for without missions being designed or assigned by CMs. Way back in Tour 1 there were enough people flying to where historical type missions popped up on their own. You didn't need schedules or forced missions.
YMMV
If you could get a decent start with say just twenty a night it would gradually build IMO. You've got to get a start though and it has to stick. The only way that's going to happen is to get people commited to making it happen and cooperating above all else.
CMs run regularly scheduled events in the SEA arenas and they're rarely late, usually out trying to drum up interest in the MAs before an event etc.
The AvA Staff is a separate body of volunteers, and are only obligated to setup their arena once a week and pop into to make corrections when things go wrong.
Any event you've seen in the AvA is usually scheduled by AvA players who are usually NOT staff, so you can question your own pedigree if you wish, :D but you might want to do a little more study of the situation in arena staffing as well.
I think the areana could be revived, if some guys dedicated themselves to being there regularly, and by some guys, I mean a handful of medium sized squads. Then, after a brief time period, say a few weeks, when the general population saw 29 -49 guys playing in the AvA every night, when logging on instead of 0 - 5, then it could grow from there. The hook being, those some guys who bite the bullet, sitting in the tower waiting for people to show up, fighting out the first month or so's fights against only eachother, etc...etc... need to share a common cause, and act accordingly...in this case, the revival of the Arena. Anything short of that will fail.
The consensus seems to be that it is up to the players to get something restarted in AVA. This has been tried before but may be worth trying again.
This thread has gotten fragmented between a couple of different ideas.
I know some longtime vets can be a bit derisive of relative newcomers on the board but I consider this exchange of ideas to be an enjoyable part of the game experience.
I started this mess, so whether I get flamed or not I'm going to do a couple of different things.
First I am suggesting that anyone wishing to continue discussing an automated scenario arena concept, move to this thread. http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,274933.0.html
Anyone who would like to see the revival of a daytime CM sponsored snapshot event, post in this thread.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,275212.0.html
I am also starting a new thread dedicated to ideas on increasing play in AVA, because if that happens, as shifty suggested it may turn out to be close to what I am looking for.
What's the alternative? let AVA sit empty day after day until HTC decides it's not worth keeping up?
New thread "Saving AVA"
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Press on Jimson. :aok
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Here's the problem with AvA:
The very low numbers mean the only way to really proceed is to basically use it as DA. That means the two best "duelling" planes out of each given set get upped for duelling style encounters, and other planes and flying styles gets short shrift. This can only hold many player's attention for so long.
Let me give you an example, lets look at a conceivable abbreviated set for MW ETO. Allies: SpitIX, P-47D-11 Axis: 109-G2, Fw-190 A5.
Because the AvA will essentially be low alt 1v1s or 2v2s most of the time, the latter planes will get short shrift in usage most of the time. P-47D-11 vs. 109G2 1v1 at low alts with competent pilots is just not very amusing in AHII, nor is 190A vs. SpitIX. One might as well just limit the set to 109s and Spits (which would be at least a slight imbalance in favor of the Allies anyway) or maybe just P-47D-11 vs. 190s (which would be more balanced, but still not quite). BTW, balance in terms of dogfighting performance for player fun vrs. putting what planes were historically actually there in the set will ALWAYS be a daunting problem for AvA when numbers are this low.
To give each and every plane its place, and to give that historical feeling that alot of players want out of the AvA, you need more numbers and more historical engaging conditions. For instance, when engaging in squadron numbers at 25,000 feet, P-47D-11 vs. 109 G-2 is suddenly alot more interesting and sporting. 190s suddenly make more sense with more altitude and more numbers, especially if there are bombers to be shot down. I hope what I'm getting at makes sense.
How to accomplish these things, I dunno. Maybe Jimson's idea is the way to go.
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when was the last AH hosted event in the AVA?
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Let me give you an example, lets look at a conceivable abbreviated set for MW ETO. Allies: SpitIX, P-47D-11 Axis: 109-G2, Fw-190 A5.
Because the AvA will essentially be low alt 1v1s or 2v2s most of the time, the latter planes will get short shrift in usage most of the time. P-47D-11 vs. 109G2 1v1 at low alts with competent pilots is just not very amusing in AHII, nor is 190A vs. SpitIX. One might as well just limit the set to 109s and Spits (which would be at least a slight imbalance in favor of the Allies anyway) or maybe just P-47D-11 vs. 190s (which would be more balanced, but still not quite). BTW, balance in terms of dogfighting performance for player fun vrs. putting what planes were historically actually there in the set will ALWAYS be a daunting problem for AvA when numbers are this low.
The real reason why you wouldn't see many P-47s or 190A's in that setup is because the AvA regulars insult and sneer when either of those aircraft are flown hit and run style, as they were designed to be, and in the same direction as all WW2 fighter evolution.
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The real reason why you wouldn't see many P-47s or 190A's in that setup is because the AvA regulars insult and sneer when either of those aircraft are flown hit and run style, as they were designed to be, and in the same direction as all WW2 fighter evolution.
I didn't want to go there...
Hit and run is kind of boring and innefective when its just you and one other guy in the arena anyway.
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I didn't want to go there...
Agreed, we've made 4 pages in an AVA thread managing to keep it fairly civil. One problem we've had the past few years is constantly ripping off the same old scab.
No matter what idea brings more people into the arena, it's going to take CT/AVA oldtimers myself included to put away old feuds and just fly the damn sim. It's going to take putting the health of the arena above ego and grudges. Hostility has been what's kept this arena empty not limited planesets or icons. I'm not naive enough to think problems or conflicts will not erupt. I am hopeful though that people will be mindful that the crap isn't as important as having a healthy AVA and having an option other than the Main Arenas. If enough people will stay positive and refrain from the slinging of feces in time those that live for just that will be irrelevant to the arena. No matter who they are or what side of the old feud they come from. Nobody involved in it has clean hands myself included. Historic Matchups have their place in AH. All you have to do is look at the popularity of Special Events. FSOs, Scenarios, Snap Shots, and Sunday European Campaigns are all getting bigger an more popular. There's no reason an arena based on WWII historical aircraft matchups should be empty constantly. BS and finger pointing have killed this arena. I'd like to see it replaced with flying and fighting personally. I know I've made similar post in the past and similar attempts to assist in repopulating the CT/AVA. Each and everytime though when the scab itched I ripped it. I'll do my best this time to let the damn thing fall off on it's own. I'm more interested in a healthy arena than I am of who thinks who is a dweeb, tardlette, skill less, timid, or a mouthy jerk. It's just not that important and if we can refrain from indulging in it in time we can keep it from wrecking the place.
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Agreed, we've made 4 pages in an AVA thread managing to keep it fairly civil. One problem we've had the past few years is constantly ripping off the same old scab.
No matter what idea brings more people into the arena, it's going to take CT/AVA oldtimers myself included to put away old feuds and just fly the damn sim. It's going to take putting the health of the arena above ego and grudges. Hostility has been what's kept this arena empty not limited planesets or icons. I'm not naive enough to think problems or conflicts will not erupt. I am hopeful though that people will be mindful that the crap isn't as important as having a healthy AVA and having an option other than the Main Arenas. If enough people will stay positive and refrain from the slinging of feces in time those that live for just that will be irrelevant to the arena. No matter who they are or what side of the old feud they come from. Nobody involved in it has clean hands myself included. Historic Matchups have their place in AH. All you have to do is look at the popularity of Special Events. FSOs, Scenarios, Snap Shots, and Sunday European Campaigns are all getting bigger an more popular. There's no reason an arena based on WWII historical aircraft matchups should be empty constantly. BS and finger pointing have killed this arena. I'd like to see it replaced with flying and fighting personally. I know I've made similar post in the past and similar attempts to assist in repopulating the CT/AVA. Each and everytime though when the scab itched I ripped it. I'll do my best this time to let the damn thing fall off on it's own. I'm more interested in a healthy arena than I am of who thinks who is a dweeb, tardlette, skill less, or timid, or a mouthy jerk. It's just not that important and if we can refrain from indulging in it in time we can keep it from wrecking the place.
Truthful and Accurate ........ everyone new & old should try and make the AvsA as sucessful as the FSO's, Snapshots etc..... more fun for everyone....
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There's no reason an arena based on WWII historical aircraft matchups should be empty constantly. BS and finger pointing have killed this arena.
QFT!
I'm more interested in a healthy arena than I am of who thinks who is a dweeb, tardlette, skill less, or timid.
:aok
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great theories guys, but how many of you have actually flown in the AVA in the last..... oh say, month?? I'm in there with Oldman almost every night. How about just coming in and joining the party. Bring new guys with you! Lets get this party started! :aok
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Hey TequilaChaser what nights or days are you in the Training Arena?
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Agreed, we've made 4 pages in an AVA thread managing to keep it fairly civil. One problem we've had the past few years is constantly ripping off the same old scab.
No matter what idea brings more people into the arena, it's going to take CT/AVA oldtimers myself included to put away old feuds and just fly the damn sim. It's going to take putting the health of the arena above ego and grudges. Hostility has been what's kept this arena empty not limited planesets or icons. I'm not naive enough to think problems or conflicts will not erupt. I am hopeful though that people will be mindful that the crap isn't as important as having a healthy AVA and having an option other than the Main Arenas. If enough people will stay positive and refrain from the slinging of feces in time those that live for just that will be irrelevant to the arena. No matter who they are or what side of the old feud they come from. Nobody involved in it has clean hands myself included. Historic Matchups have their place in AH. All you have to do is look at the popularity of Special Events. FSOs, Scenarios, Snap Shots, and Sunday European Campaigns are all getting bigger an more popular. There's no reason an arena based on WWII historical aircraft matchups should be empty constantly. BS and finger pointing have killed this arena. I'd like to see it replaced with flying and fighting personally. I know I've made similar post in the past and similar attempts to assist in repopulating the CT/AVA. Each and everytime though when the scab itched I ripped it. I'll do my best this time to let the damn thing fall off on it's own. I'm more interested in a healthy arena than I am of who thinks who is a dweeb, tardlette, skill less, timid, or a mouthy jerk. It's just not that important and if we can refrain from indulging in it in time we can keep it from wrecking the place.
:aok
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great theories guys, but how many of you have actually flown in the AVA in the last..... oh say, month??
Can't imagine why some have not. :rolleyes:
But I'm willing to give it another try though if that is what the squad decides to do.
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Agreed, we've made 4 pages in an AVA thread managing to keep it fairly civil. One problem we've had the past few years is constantly ripping off the same old scab.
No matter what idea brings more people into the arena, it's going to take CT/AVA oldtimers myself included to put away old feuds and just fly the damn sim. It's going to take putting the health of the arena above ego and grudges. Hostility has been what's kept this arena empty not limited planesets or icons. I'm not naive enough to think problems or conflicts will not erupt. I am hopeful though that people will be mindful that the crap isn't as important as having a healthy AVA and having an option other than the Main Arenas. If enough people will stay positive and refrain from the slinging of feces in time those that live for just that will be irrelevant to the arena. No matter who they are or what side of the old feud they come from. Nobody involved in it has clean hands myself included. Historic Matchups have their place in AH. All you have to do is look at the popularity of Special Events. FSOs, Scenarios, Snap Shots, and Sunday European Campaigns are all getting bigger an more popular. There's no reason an arena based on WWII historical aircraft matchups should be empty constantly. BS and finger pointing have killed this arena. I'd like to see it replaced with flying and fighting personally. I know I've made similar post in the past and similar attempts to assist in repopulating the CT/AVA. Each and everytime though when the scab itched I ripped it. I'll do my best this time to let the damn thing fall off on it's own. I'm more interested in a healthy arena than I am of who thinks who is a dweeb, tardlette, skill less, timid, or a mouthy jerk. It's just not that important and if we can refrain from indulging in it in time we can keep it from wrecking the place.
Most excellent post, thank you Shifty.
- oldman
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Although your delivery comes close to making that old scab itch... ;)
I agree with the meat of your message. :aok
Lets get this party started! :aok
Check your PMs.
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and dont forget about your friends accross the pond :) we could try and get some mid day action on the weekends that would enable people from GMT & CET time zones to join in...Ill bring some tea :)