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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Dragon on October 08, 2009, 01:35:59 PM
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Added the P-47M. Special thanks to Greebo for providing the skin that allowed us to sneak this into this version. :rock
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Oh my! :salute HTC
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:x :x :x :x :x :x Oh mannn!!!
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Anyone got the specs handy for comparison to the other models?
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The chart for the 47M doesn't work on their website yet, but this is friggn' sweet.
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Thanks Greebo and HTC.
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:salute
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http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,248976.25.html
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Thank you HTC! Screenshots anyone? I am here at work, no see til later.... :cry
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The chart for the 47M doesn't work on their website yet, but this is friggn' sweet.
Does now.
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Thank You HTC. :aok
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someone link me to the P47 M charts?
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P47M has no ords?
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someone link me to the P47 M charts?
Right here. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/planeperf.php)
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P47M has no ords?
It was meant to be a pure fighter, so no ordnance load outs for it.
ack-ack
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Wow, that is fast. Not too big of an increase over the N, tho, main difference being the P-47M keeps accelerating up through ~32,000ft. Probably not going to be many situations in the Mains where she'll ever be in her best altitude band, although this could be interesting for scenarios.
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Is it just me or is the 47M not enabled in the DA? :joystick:
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It was meant to be a pure fighter, so no ordnance load outs for it.
ack-ack
Was just checking it out and was going to ask if it was a fighter, too slow :)
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Ugh, can't get into game for another 2 hours, anyone know the loadout on the new M :airplane:
:cheers: HTC
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same loadout gun wise as the others...2x 75 gallon DT's or 2x 150gallon Dt's.
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Wow, that is fast. Not too big of an increase over the N, tho, main difference being the P-47M keeps accelerating up through ~32,000ft. Probably not going to be many situations in the Mains where she'll ever be in her best altitude band, although this could be interesting for scenarios.
Climbs much better though, which is IMO is one of the jug's biggest weaknesses. This should be a fun plane. :banana:
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Screenshot:
(http://i34.tinypic.com/a11e6o.png)
:aok
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Hotsh7t! Sweet looking bird. Nice skin! Can someone lose the dt's and post some
more screen shots?
Wow. Wished for this bird for so long back when I played.
How big is the down load? ;) What are the sys specs now? :)
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Must...finish work....go home and fly the M all night.... :x
Big old :salute HTC
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I wish the US had produced these jugs with detachable pylons. Have the ability to make 'em smooth and sleek by not loading the DTs...
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Report is 25mb download.
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I wish the US had produced these jugs with detachable pylons. Have the ability to make 'em smooth and sleek by not loading the DTs...
True...almost seems like a waste not to take the DT's even if you drop one of em on the RW.
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Report is 25mb download.
About a 25 second download with DownThemAll...but I bet HTC would like to kick me in the face for using it. :D Or, at least the server...since we all know the thing is sentient.
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Thank you HTC! Screenshots anyone? I am here at work, no see til later.... :cry
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z172/camppen/47m1.jpg)
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z172/camppen/p47m2.jpg)
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:lol The sad thing is, even though they were HOing each other in that last pic (inb4 "It was/wasn't a HO batcrazy argument), someone still nailed him up the butt with a cannon.
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I wish the US had produced these jugs with detachable pylons. Have the ability to make 'em smooth and sleek by not loading the DTs...
The 56th fighter group did remove them from some of there p47's. I saw a picture of one last night.
Helm ...out
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Don't get my hopes up... :x
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:lol The sad thing is, even though they were HOing each other in that last pic (inb4 "It was/wasn't a HO batcrazy argument), someone still nailed him up the butt with a cannon.
actually that was my fire trail. I was roping him and he just kept floating with his nose pointing at me and nailed me.
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(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s162/spikesx/ah1.jpg)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s162/spikesx/ah2.jpg)
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actually that was my fire trail. I was roping him and he just kept floating with his nose pointing at me and nailed me.
Ah. Good info in that. :noid
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Yep its all over 200 everyone running with there new jug's.
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Yep its all over 200 everyone running with there new jug's.
I'm currently monitoring the stats... 47M is racking up kills like crazy. For every kill by a P-51 (our most "used" plane), there are currently 5-8 being made in a P-47M.
And despite being new (and thus being tested or being flown in a kinda "silly" way or by players with not much experience in a jug), it has a freaking high K/D already.
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Its the pride of the Jug, my friend... :old:
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I'm currently monitoring the stats... 47M is racking up kills like crazy. For every kill by a P-51 (our most "used" plane), there are currently 5-8 being made in a P-47M.
And despite being new (and thus being tested or being flown in a kinda "silly" way or by players with not much experience in a jug), it has a freaking high K/D already.
What's the stats for the new P-38K?
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I'm currently monitoring the stats... 47M is racking up kills like crazy. For every kill by a P-51 (our most "used" plane), there are currently 5-8 being made in a P-47M.
And despite being new (and thus being tested or being flown in a kinda "silly" way or by players with not much experience in a jug), it has a freaking high K/D already.
What is it's current ENY?
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What is it's current ENY?
10
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What's the stats for the new P-38K?
I'm no SAPP memer, so I'm not allowed to know.
I'm not even allowed to ask :uhoh
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Thank you Spikes!
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I'm currently monitoring the stats... 47M is racking up kills like crazy. For every kill by a P-51 (our most "used" plane), there are currently 5-8 being made in a P-47M.
And despite being new (and thus being tested or being flown in a kinda "silly" way or by players with not much experience in a jug), it has a freaking high K/D already.
Well hope they keep flying it..i don't mind killing jugs...and with all new birds we see a spike for a week or so ..but you im sure already know that.
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Well hope they keep flying it..i don't mind killing jugs...and with all new birds we see a spike for a week or so ..but you im sure already know that.
The spike is the biggest one I have seen since the introduction of the Spitfire XVI
And I'm sure it will continued to get used alot. The only "drawback" is the lack of ords. But in a pure fighter role it's a premium package. With WEP as fast as a F4U-4 or Pony, but climbs alot better that a 51 (or, of course, any other Jug), long range, and 8 x .50 cals...
Oh, and here a comparison with another very rare late war fighter, that also happens to have ENY of 10:
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/genchart.php?p1=102&p2=40&pw=1>ype=2)
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/genchart.php?p1=102&p2=40&pw=1>ype=0)
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Sweet!
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(http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z184/shortbus1701/p-47m-republic-wepchart.jpg)
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The spike is the biggest one I have seen since the introduction of the Spitfire XVI
And I'm sure it will continued to get used alot. The only "drawback" is the lack of ords. But in a pure fighter role it's a premium package. With WEP as fast as a F4U-4 or Pony, but climbs alot better that a 51 (or, of course, any other Jug), long range, and 8 x .50 cals...
Oh, and here a comparison with another very rare late war fighter, that also happens to have ENY of 10:
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/genchart.php?p1=102&p2=40&pw=1>ype=2)
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/genchart.php?p1=102&p2=40&pw=1>ype=0)
Seems as good as this new jug is then ENY 10 wont stick.Cimbs better that a 51 and 8 x .50 cals.WEP as fast as a ponyD,and the ponyD is now ENY 5.
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Think I'll start tyying it when I get a soundpack for it and the buzz dies down.
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Seems as good as this new jug is then ENY 10 wont stick.Cimbs better that a 51 and 8 x .50 cals.WEP as fast as a ponyD,and the ponyD is now ENY 5.
It'll stick. The P47-M doesn't carry ords so it'll remain 10 ENY.
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ENY is different than OBJ.
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ENY is different than OBJ.
But ATG capability is part of ENY determination. Check BF 110G.
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Neither words nor any silly amount of emoticons I could click on can express my joy and appreciation at this development.
Guys, THIS is what f***ng ENY 5 USAAF ride looks like. I got no problem with that number for it.
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But ATG capability is part of ENY determination. Check BF 110G.
My reasoning for that would be its ability to absolutely maul bombers and anything in its sights. That's for another thread, though.
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Well no matter..I'm just happy i can call someone a jug dweeb now :D It is cool that a jug there that is more fighter then attack,i will be happy to find the first stick that can fly one right.I still think that we need a Betty and German medium bomber way more then any American fighters.
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oh yeah baby
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/genchart.php?p1=102&p2=83&pw=0>ype=2)
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Well no matter..I'm just happy i can call someone a jug dweeb now :D It is cool that a jug there that is more fighter then attack,i will be happy to find the first stick that can fly one right.I still think that we need a Betty and German medium bomber way more then any American fighters.
I think they threw this in because it was easy to add in (notice how it isn't an updated model or anything, no updated cockpit) and it was decently asked for.
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Neither words nor any silly amount of emoticons I could click on can express my joy and appreciation at this development.
Guys, THIS is what f***ng ENY 5 USAAF ride looks like. I got no problem with that number for it.
+1
It is a monster. It's like a P-47N that can climb.
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I couldn't get it in this version but the N is set to undergo a performance adjustment that will give it more climb rate.
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I couldn't get it in this version but the N is set to undergo a performance adjustment that will give it more climb rate.
Nice.
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I couldn't get it in this version but the N is set to undergo a performance adjustment that will give it more climb rate.
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:uJlaA-7c7rzj-M:http://www.schultzimages.com/melrose/despair/MessierSobbing.jpg)Giving me the M, adjusting the N....Now if I only had high speed, which wouldn't require a 78 minute download....
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:cheers: Pyro.
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N actually climbs much better than that, when you don't load it out with 8 guns, overload ammo, and 100% fuel.
Also, the charts HTC have must be for 270 rpg, because with full ammo 100% fuel offline it does about 3200fpm on wep.
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While nice to see a new plane. I'd much rather see HT finish off the exisiting AH1 plane set to AH2 levels first.
Just how many Jug,P38,Spit and 109 vesions do you need? :rolleyes:
<S>...-Gixer
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The difference is taking, what, days, weeks of pure work time to complete an entirely new 3D model and go over all of its performance data versus having Greebo toss you a skin and put different loadouts/performance curves on it. I'm sure they're working on the other aircraft at the same time, they just take much longer.
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THANK YOU HT, AND GREEBO!!!!!!! You will both recive an airdrop of beer kegs from the new P-47M as christmans presents!!!!!!
BTW, is it in the next patch, or the current one?
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christman
New superhero? :noid
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While nice to see a new plane. I'd much rather see HT finish off the exisiting AH1 plane set to AH2 levels first.
So would I but one involves resources that are not available and another doesn't. What you are really advocating is that you'd prefer to see nothing rather than something.
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New superhero? :noid
Lol, oops. HT, you and Greebo shall recive full beer kegs for christmas. It shall be of the finest lauger avalable, and imported from Germany. Thanks HTC!!!!!!! <S>....
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So would I but one involves resources that are not available and another doesn't. What you are really advocating is that you'd prefer to see nothing rather some something.
If getting the resources together meant seeing nothing new for a year while the AH1 set was fully completed, then yes.
<S>...-Gixer
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N actually climbs much better than that, when you don't load it out with 8 guns, overload ammo, and 100% fuel.
Also, the charts HTC have must be for 270 rpg, because with full ammo 100% fuel offline it does about 3200fpm on wep.
Put the fork in it Krusty, that turkey is done... Your worst nightmare is upon you. The P-47M has arrived.
My regards,
Widewing
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Nightmare ? Hardly. I posted numbers, verifiable. Heck, you even turned around a few days later and quoted similar numbers in another thread.
I've shown how the 47N performs leaps and bounds beyond what folks pretend it does based off the charts, because the charts use full fuel. I've also shown how the 47N in-game isn't far off from the 47M specs. I've flown the 47N a lot in-game, heavy and light, and 99% of the playerbase talks down to it because they look at a misleading line on a climb chart and call it "slow"....
47M not needed IMO, but will give some nice skin options if nothing else.
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If getting the resources together meant seeing nothing new for a year while the AH1 set was fully completed, then yes.
Your "if" still has nothing to do with this situation. The P-47's have already been redone. The P-47M is just a P-47D-40 shape that Greebo has graciously provided us with a P-47M skin.
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Now if I said that I'd get Skuzzified. :lol
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Still dreaming of my A6M getting re-done some day Gixer, we just have to be patient. :salute
The new P47 skin looks nice though, different for a USAAF plane.
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The if in your argument is akin to saying if my aunt had nuts she'd be my uncle.
Was never an argument, was just making the point of completing updates of the existing AH1 fleet over new planes.
<S>...-Gixer
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Was never an argument, was just making the point of completing updates of the existing AH1 fleet over new planes.
<S>...-Gixer
His point was that updated the planes requires new assets to be made, e.g. the new models. The P-47M has the exact same model as the P-47D-40, so there wasn't any work needed. Greebo made the skin on his own time and Pyro had the flight model data. All the AH1 aircraft require new 3D models and adding the P-47M does not delay any work on them.
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Ok, I changed "argument" to "point". I wasn't trying to present "argument" as more negative than "point" but that doesn't change the shape of the situation.
<edit> Karnak's take is 100% correct.
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Was never an argument, was just making the point of completing updates of the existing AH1 fleet over new planes.
<S>...-Gixer
But you reinforce the point that no matter what HTC does, there will be someone to complain about it :)
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somebody explain to me the fuel load out.
when I select 100%, I have full fuel.
When I select 75%, I also have full fuel. the aux tank is full and so is the main.
shouldn't it be like the d40 and 75% be full main, and just some fuel in the aux?
:salute
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But you reinforce the point that no matter what HTC does, there will be someone to complain about it
:rofl
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Not a huge deal, but the texture for the mixture lever is on the prop lever and vise versa for all the P-47s.
(http://uscockpits.com/Early%20Fighters/P-47D%20Thunderbolt21.jpg) (http://i547.photobucket.com/albums/hh473/cactuskooler/p47Mixture.jpg)
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heheheh. I like how you put that Widewing :)
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WOOOOOOO F***IN' HOOOOOOOOOO! :D :O :lol :aok
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While nice to see a new plane. I'd much rather see HT finish off the exisiting AH1 plane set to AH2 levels first.
Just how many Jug,P38,Spit and 109 vesions do you need? :rolleyes:
<S>...-Gixer
My silly little friend living, one cannot have too many P-38s.
ack-ack
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My silly little friend living, one cannot have too many P-38s.
ack-ack
Yeah, we need more targets.
:D
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True, everyone says we need more medium bombers. More P-38s!
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found me a new ride :aok :aok
thanx HTC for a nice 40th b-day present :D
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I want to say THANK GOD, and I mean THANK GOD the HTC team does not allow any ords to be attached to this fighter, so that it won't become another suicide porking/hangar banging machine and so the various board members who look upon such gross misuses of fighter aircraft with anything other than sad pity won't call for this good but non-super fighter to be perked.
Like everyone said, it is still a Jug. It is only really a Late-War plane for five minutes. Judicious use of WEP will still be vital to have it available when you REALLY need it.
Nightmare ? Hardly. I posted numbers, verifiable. Heck, you even turned around a few days later and quoted similar numbers in another thread.
I've shown how the 47N performs leaps and bounds beyond what folks pretend it does based off the charts, because the charts use full fuel. I've also shown how the 47N in-game isn't far off from the 47M specs. I've flown the 47N a lot in-game, heavy and light, and 99% of the playerbase talks down to it because they look at a misleading line on a climb chart and call it "slow"....
47M not needed IMO, but will give some nice skin options if nothing else.
Krusty, I tested the climb rates offline. 25% fuel for both,which yielded about 30 minutes on the E6B for both, 8 guns, 267rpgs. Hit the runway, start the engine, WEP and climb. The initial climb rate of the N on the E6B was around 3600fpm. The initial climb rate of the M was around 3900fpm. In 5 minutes of WEP climbing, the N got to 15.5K. The M got to 18.5K on a WEP climb of the same duration. The M also has enough of a top speed advantage over the N on MIL to make a difference, and matches the D-11, formerly the MIL speed king amongst Jugs. The M outclimbs the D-40 on MIL, which was the climb rate champion amongst jugs up until now. It for all intents and purposes out-climbs a P-51D on WEP. There is not getting around the fact that this is a worthwhile upgrade to the Jug lineup.
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A wonderful addition. :aok
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Like everyone said, it is still a Jug. It is only really a Late-War plane for five minutes. Judicious use of WEP will still be vital to have it available when you REALLY need it.
Funny how that excuse works for the P-47M, but not for the Spitfire Mk XIV, which is likewise a pure fighter.
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Funny how that excuse works for the P-47M, but not for the Spitfire Mk XIV, which is likewise a pure fighter.
Military power you say?
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/genchart.php?p1=102&p2=86&pw=0>ype=2)
SpitXVI is climbing and about as well/better on MIL than a 38, 51, or 47, or unperked Hog does on WEP....
Hmmm...does the SpitXVI's rate and radius of turn, and frankly unbelievable E retention under Gs, disappear when the WEP is switched off?
Karnak, you don't seem to comprehend the fact that top speed, maneuver, and thrust/weight don't exist in a vacuum. You don't seem to understand that is the *combination* of stellar turn performance, energy performance, and not inconsiderable speed that makes the XVI what it is. You want to underrate maneuverability, when it is a crucial factor in the way we play in the MA. To stand a fighting chance of survival, a SpitXVI does not *NEED* to be faster than a P-47 or most any of the MA outside of Zeros, Brewsters, and Hurris, which it puts to shame in top speed and E-building on MIL, let alone WEP. A P-47 or the like darn well MUST keep itself faster than the SpitXVIs though.
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Military power you say?
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/genchart.php?p1=102&p2=86&pw=0>ype=2)
SpitXVI is climbing and accelerating about as well an MIL as a 38, 51, or 47 does on WEP....
Hmmm...does the SpitXVI's rate and radius of turn, and frankly unbelievable E retention under Gs, disappear when the WEP is switched off?
Karnak, you don't seem to comprehend the fact that top speed, maneuver, and thrust/weight don't exist in a vacuum. You want to underrate maneuverability, when it is a crucial factor in the way we play in the MA. To stand a fighting chance of survival, a SpitXVI does not *NEED* to be faster than a P-47 or most any of the MA outside of Zeros, Brewsters, and Hurris, which it puts to shame in top speed and E-building on MIL, let alone WEP. A P-47 or the like darn well MUST keep itself faster than the SpitXVIs though.
And you underrate handling, stabilty as a gunplatform, range and durability. ;)
BTW, you graph shows the 16, not the 14
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BnZ,
Your hatred of the Spitfire Mk XVI blinds you.
I was talking about the Spitfire Mk XIV, the perked, Griffon engined Spitfire.
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BnZ,
Your hatred of the Spitfire Mk XVI blinds you.
I was talking about the Spitfire Mk XIV, the perked, Griffon engined Spitfire.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :aok
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And you underrate handling, stabilty as a gunplatform, range and durability. ;)
Range has never won a single dogfight, 90% of us load our fighters to fly the same 20-30 minutes anyway, (who EVER takes the full load in a P-51, 47N, 38???.), the SpitXVI handles just fine as a lethal gun platform, and any fragility it possesses are offset by its evasive capabilities.
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BnZ,
Your hatred of the Spitfire Mk XVI blinds you.
I was talking about the Spitfire Mk XIV, the perked, Griffon engined Spitfire.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/genchart.php?p1=102&p2=64&pw=0>ype=2)
But I will be *happy* to agree than a perked XIV is very, very odd in an arena with unperked XVIs and La7s.
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Yup, it out climbs it. Bravo.
Care to check on speed, high speed handling, durability, stability as a gun platform, fuel endurance and so on?
The fact is that many mid-war fighters, Bf109G-2 for example, out perform the Spitfire Mk XIV when its WEP is gone. In addition, the Spitfire Mk XIV is a pure fighter, the reason Pyro said the P-47M is not perked, and even on WEP has a difficult time escaping from many free fighters. Where the Spitfire Mk XIV really shines is at high altitude, where no fights happen. It so happens the P-47M also shines up there, but is also good down low where the Spitfire Mk XIV is nothing but a gangbang magnet due to its perk status.
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+1 :aok
Flew the P47M this morning and really enjoyed it!~
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Yup, it out climbs it. Bravo.
Care to check on speed, high speed handling, durability, stability as a gun platform, fuel endurance and so on?
The fact is that many mid-war fighters, Bf109G-2 for example, out perform the Spitfire Mk XIV when its WEP is gone. In addition, the Spitfire Mk XIV is a pure fighter, the reason Pyro said the P-47M is not perked, and even on WEP has a difficult time escaping from many free fighters. Where the Spitfire Mk XIV really shines is at high altitude, where no fights happen. It so happens the P-47M also shines up there, but is also good down low where the Spitfire Mk XIV is nothing but a gangbang magnet due to its perk status.
Hmmm...looks like the SpitXIV should either have its inexplicable squirrel-bait handling fixed or be unperked. I prefer the former. XVI and La7 should still be perked.
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Hmmm...looks like the SpitXIV should either have its inexplicable squirrel-bait handling fixed or be unperked. I prefer the former. XVI and La7 should still be perked.
The P-47M out performs the Spitfire Mk XIV in all categories other than climb/acceleration and, probably, turning, yet the P-47M is ENY 10 and the Spitfire Mk XIV is ENY 5 and perked.
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The P-47M out performs the Spitfire Mk XIV in all categories other than climb/acceleration and, probably, turning, yet the P-47M is ENY 10 and the Spitfire Mk XIV is ENY 5 and perked.
I think the M should be ENY 5. Said it when it first came out. The P-51D should be returned to the 8 that fit it like a glove.
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THANKS YOU!!!!!!color]
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The P-47M out performs the Spitfire Mk XIV in all categories other than climb/acceleration and, probably, turning, yet the P-47M is ENY 10 and the Spitfire Mk XIV is ENY 5 and perked.
Erm... so it outperforms the spit in every way...
Except it can't turn nearly as well..
Except it can't climb nearly as well...
Except it doesn't accelerate as well...
Except it can't handle nearly as well in a dogfight...
???
Might want to rethink your statement there.
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Erm... so it outperforms the spit in every way...
Except it can't turn nearly as well..
Except it can't climb nearly as well...
Except it doesn't accelerate as well...
Except it can't handle nearly as well in a dogfight...
???
Might want to rethink your statement there.
I like it any plane is a good addition.
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Not discounting the plane, just his self-contradicting statement.
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Not discounting the plane, just his self-contradicting statement.
Oh i get what you mean.
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Yeah, outperforming except for turn, climb, and acceleration... isn't outperforming.
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #4
I think some people have a knee-jerk reaction to seeing "Krusty" as the poster. He brought up a valid point.
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Yeah, outperforming except for turn, climb, and acceleration... isn't outperforming.
Speed doesn't matter?
Durability doesn't matter?
Roll doesn't matter?
High speed handling doesn't matter?
Range doesn't matter?
Ammo endurance doesn't matter?
As to turning, I am unsure about that, the P-47M might out turn the Spitfire Mk XIV.
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Karnak, we're just saying that when you say "outperforms except..." and follow up with 3 of the most important traits for a fighter, well, that's a pretty big "except."
Fwiw, I agree that the XIV being perked is silly.
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Karnak, we're just saying that when you say "outperforms except..." and follow up with 3 of the most important traits for a fighter, well, that's a pretty big "except."
Fwiw, I agree that the XIV being perked is silly.
Two traits, not three, and the most important is speed.
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The P-47M out performs the Spitfire Mk XIV in all categories other than climb/acceleration and, probably, turning, yet the P-47M is ENY 10 and the Spitfire Mk XIV is ENY 5 and perked.
Climb and Acceleration are two separate traits.
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Climb and Acceleration are two separate traits.
No, they are the same trait. They are linked exactly. Climb is acceleration used for vertical movement.
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Never seen so many comments related to spit 16/14 bashing in a while.
:bolt:
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The fastest planes in the game are also the best in vert....and yes i tested them all myself.
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Thrust:Drag has a significant effect on acceleration. Witness the La-7 and Tempest both out-accelerating the 109K-4, but neither climbs as well. Therefore, it's a little misleading to say climb and acceleration are only a single category.
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No, they are the same trait. They are linked exactly. Climb is acceleration used for vertical movement.
Wrong. Climb also has a high element of lift incorporated into it. You think you could "accelerate" up with 1/4 the wing area you normally have, for example? And drag is a big element as well, 190s have good acceleration but poor climb rates because they are draggy airframes with small wings.
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The best plane in vert is the LA 7 the second best is 190 ..again i tested this stuff myself.I was offline for like 4 months and took all the planes and started at 10 k went nose dowen till i got to the deck then went vert over and over till i reached the vert limit.
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Just flew it. 50% gas and light 8 gun package. Almost doesnt feel like a Jug.
Whew! Nice airplane. Oustanding of Aces High to bring out such an interesting, capable, P-47 version. Despite the short production run. :salute
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The best plane in vert is the LA 7 the second best is 190 ..again i tested this stuff myself.I was offline for like 4 months and took all the planes and started at 10 k went nose dowen till i got to the deck then went vert over and over till i reached the vert limit.
Do some more research because the LA-7 is clearly not the best plane in the vert. Try P-38.
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I don't need to ..cant take the facts?You test, tell me what you come up with.
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I think he means that being good in the vertical isn't merely about maximum zoom climb, i.e. the lack of torque in the 38 allows you to continue to maneuver at speeds where in other aircraft you're fighting to hold the aircraft straight.
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I think he means that being good in the vertical isn't merely about maximum zoom climb, i.e. the lack of torque in the 38 allows you to continue to maneuver at speeds where in other aircraft you're fighting to hold the aircraft straight.
I dont know about all that,i just know what i posted here.
The best plane in vert is the LA 7 the second best is 190 ..again i tested this stuff myself.I was offline for like 4 months and took all the planes and started at 10 k went nose dowen till i got to the deck then went vert over and over till i reached the vert limit.
BTW all with 50% fule.
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Two traits, not three, and the most important is speed.
Nope. In r/l, perhaps, not in a *game* of this nature.
Turn performance allows for the easiest and most intuitive kills, close range in plane tracking shots.
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Nope. In r/l, perhaps, not in a *game* of this nature.
Turn performance allows for the easiest and most intuitive kills, close range in plane tracking shots.
Oh, they are very important, no doubt, but I still place speed as the most important. Obviously there are minimum values for the other two to be useful.
I will say, I am not sure the Spit XIV is a better turn fighter than the P-47M. It probably is, but I am not certain. The Spits VIII and XVI are certainly better turn fighters though.
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Oh, they are very important, no doubt, but I still place speed as the most important. Obviously there are minimum values for the other two to be useful.
I will say, I am not sure the Spit XIV is a better turn fighter than the P-47M. It probably is, but I am not certain. The Spits VIII and XVI are certainly better turn fighters though.
The SpitXIV will sustain a better rate and radius no doubt, but when it comes back to just hauling back on the stick for deflection without squirrely nose-wagging??? Yeah, perhaps the SpitXIV should be unperked on a trial basis if we're stuck with that trait.
Speed is not the most important in the game. The most popular plane in the game is *not* the fastest unperked. The second most popular plane in the game (really the most popular if you consider the SpitXVI, SpitVIII, and SpitIX in aggregrate) is nowhere near the fastest. The D9 is nowhere near the most popular in the game, despite being nearly the fastest, and quite good in every single trait *except* turn. The ACM/gunnery problem of getting a solution on a much more maneuverable bandit who knows I'm there is the toughest offensive problem I face.
Its an interesting paradox, turning ability is what lessens the problem most on offense, and speed offers the easiest defense, and with most planes you trade one for another. When one only has one life to live, then top speed over all obviously, but in a "game", getting four kills and then dying...and reupping to do it again and again, is perfectly acceptable, and arguably alot more fun for most people than flying a fast brick conservatively and getting a kill every now and again.
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I dont know about all that,i just know what i posted here.BTW all with 50% fule.
"I don't know about all that..."
You're right! :D
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"I don't know about all that..."
You're right! :D
+1
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"I don't know about all that..."
You're right! :D
Troll along Anodizer ...no bridges here for you to live under.And i just told you what a real in game test was.you have no other proof to back up what you say exept your trolling? ok.
OK ,I'm done, was not here to on line fight :rolleyes: i was just posting what a test said ,not my opinion
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Thank you very much HTC.
Hooly
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Excellent work
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:O :O
Just saw this.
How is it?
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:O :O
Just saw this.
How is it?
It's pure sex for the jug lovers
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It's pure sex for the jug lovers
Jug sex reduces stress! :aok
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It's pure sex for the jug lovers
Really? Because it's nothing super special.
It's nice, but it's like a P51D compared to a P51B.
Folks fly it like they're in 262s, dive out of 25k, spray from 2k out, dive to the deck and run.
Hate to break it to you, you can do that in MOST of the late war planes in the game, with the same results! That's not the plane doing anything, that's timid tactics!
Nice to fly, but no more survivable than the other P-47s. You stick around to fight, you die. You blow past and pick, and you'll rack up a score (like every 10 seconds in the MA somebody lands 5 in a P47M).
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Really? Because it's nothing super special.
It's nice, but it's like a P51D compared to a P51B.
Folks fly it like they're in 262s, dive out of 25k, spray from 2k out, dive to the deck and run.
Hate to break it to you, you can do that in MOST of the late war planes in the game, with the same results! That's not the plane doing anything, that's timid tactics!
Nice to fly, but no more survivable than the other P-47s. You stick around to fight, you die. You blow past and pick, and you'll rack up a score (like every 10 seconds in the MA somebody lands 5 in a P47M).
Finally got a chance to spend some time in her while practicing with my squad, and I'd agree with this assessment. Pilot makes a difference, but ultimately it's still a Jug.
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Really? Because it's nothing super special.
It's nice, but it's like a P51D compared to a P51B.
Folks fly it like they're in 262s, dive out of 25k, spray from 2k out, dive to the deck and run.
Hate to break it to you, you can do that in MOST of the late war planes in the game, with the same results! That's not the plane doing anything, that's timid tactics!
Nice to fly, but no more survivable than the other P-47s. You stick around to fight, you die. You blow past and pick, and you'll rack up a score (like every 10 seconds in the MA somebody lands 5 in a P47M).
To each their own Krusty. I disagree with you that it's nothing special, but you're right in that it depends on the pilot. I think when the novelty wears out there will still be some that will make it their main ride.
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Finally got a chance to spend some time in her while practicing with my squad, and I'd agree with this assessment. Pilot makes a difference, but ultimately it's still a Jug.
it's pretty rare that I go in a pure fighter. Most of the time I'm in an N model for some type of swing role action with rockets for AAA or for hitting bombers beyond gun range. I don't mind carrying that stuff since when dumping it there is little drag penalty from the hardpoints. I'll certainly use it for point defense or hi alt escort, but my bread and butter will likely remain with the N model given it's swing role capabilities.
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I couldn't get it in this version but the N is set to undergo a performance adjustment that will give it more climb rate.
Bump! Any chance this change made it into 2.17? I did not see anything in the release notes so I am guessing not.
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To each their own Krusty. I disagree with you that it's nothing special, but you're right in that it depends on the pilot. I think when the novelty wears out there will still be some that will make it their main ride.
I also disagree it's nothing special.. I find its much more survivable that the other P47's due to its exceptional WEP & climb rate compared to the other models..
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It betters every Jug except for the D-11 in MIL speed, which it equals. Outclimbs every Jug on Mil. Best WEP speed and climb of all Jugs obviously, at least as maneuverable if not more so than the D-40. I wouldn't call it a "super-plane" either, but its made the Jug a non-masochistic choice in the LWMA. And it can do alot of fighting too, as long as its not something ridiculous like trying to turn and burn with a pack of Spixteens at 50 feet.
Really? Because it's nothing super special.
It's nice, but it's like a P51D compared to a P51B.
Folks fly it like they're in 262s, dive out of 25k, spray from 2k out, dive to the deck and run.
Hate to break it to you, you can do that in MOST of the late war planes in the game, with the same results! That's not the plane doing anything, that's timid tactics!
Nice to fly, but no more survivable than the other P-47s. You stick around to fight, you die. You blow past and pick, and you'll rack up a score (like every 10 seconds in the MA somebody lands 5 in a P47M).
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Just flew it. 50% gas and light 8 gun package. Almost doesnt feel like a Jug.
Whew! Nice airplane. Oustanding of Aces High to bring out such an interesting, capable, P-47 version. Despite the short production run. :salute
Precisely. I'll keep flying the N...not as uber, but capable enough...and more....jug-like
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...its not something ridiculous like trying to turn and burn with a pack of Spixteens at 50 feet.
Apparently, according to Shuffler, that's the only fight that's worthy of the description "fight", regardless of whether or not you're flying an 8 ton Jug...