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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: gyrene81 on October 19, 2009, 12:02:19 PM
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I'm looking at the possibility of replacing my 9500GT for a better video card but I don't want to spend $100+ on one. I've found a PNY GeForce 8800GT 512MB for a reasonable price... but the question I now have is:
A. Is the performance of the 8800GT going to be good enough for AH with all features (no shadows) on without stuttering or WSOD?
B. Can I get a much better performing PCI-E 2.0 video card for under $100?
C. Would I be better off looking at ATI rather than Nvidia?
I've seen people have issues with what should be really good video cards, but only those with the highest end models appear to be totally trouble free...and I'm not wasting $200-$300 on a video card for a hobby.
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I use an 8800GTS KO with all settings maxed. Depending on the clock speed, it should be able to do the same. Make sure you have a 500W + Power Supply though.
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Neither stuttering or WSOD is casued by the video card. A single 8800 GT on Vista can give smooth video playback even with shadows on but you will have to have processes trimmed to a minimum and if you approacha busy field (lots of cons fires and smoke) the frame rates could drop a bit. If you do your work in minimizing processes the video should playback smoothly.
The sweet card right now (best bang/buck) IMO is the 9800 GTX but it will be a little more than $100.
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The sweet card right now (best bang/buck) IMO is the 9800 GTX but it will be a little more than $100.
Wouldn't be opposed to it if this deal on the 8800GT falls through...thanks for the heads up on that.
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Using an 8800GT myself and it works great, I can't speak much for stock performance as I have mine over-clocked to 725/1812/1090. At those speeds though I run the game maxed except for having soft shadows on. There pretty vintage anymore but if you can get a nice price on it there a great card and over-clock very easily.
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i have the 9800gtx+ got it for 120 at best buy.( they priced match to new egg and it was on sale there). have no problems with game running everything on.
semp
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I have 8800 GT no problems running AH, mine has the G92 processor in it. From some reading i did ( I could be wrong) the later model 8800 had the same processor as the 9800. The older 8800 had the G80 chipset. Hence when I bought my card the 9800 was a souped up 8800.
They may have made performance chages in the 9800 since I bought my card.
Cattb
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the latest version of the 9800gtx only needs 1 6 pin connector the older model needed 2.
semp
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Well the deal on the 8800GT fell through...price went too high...now I have to start looking at something else.
I should probably bite the bullet and buy big...just irks me to do it.
I'm thinking 9800GTX...should carry me for a couple of years.
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ATI anyone ?
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Well the deal on the 8800GT fell through...price went too high...now I have to start looking at something else.
I should probably bite the bullet and buy big...just irks me to do it.
I'm thinking 9800GTX...should carry me for a couple of years.
I got a 8800 GTS 512MB, upgrading from the 8800 GTS 640MB!
The 512MB version is fast, almost on par with the 9800GTX (same card basically, with slightly higher clocks for the 9800), and I only payed around $50 on ebay.
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ATI anyone ?
Considered it but I'm running an Nforce mobo and something in the back of my mind tells me to stick with Nvidia chipsets on this thing...if I had an AMD or Intel board I wouldn't have any hesitation.
Anyone running a newer ATI video card on an Nforce mobo?
I got a 8800 GTS 512MB, upgrading from the 8800 GTS 640MB!
The 512MB version is fast, almost on par with the 9800GTX (same card basically, with slightly higher clocks for the 9800), and I only payed around $50 on ebay.
Yeah I've been looking at the specs and had my eye on couple of cards on ebay but they got snatched up before I could put a bid on them. When you can find them brand new they are still getting over $125... :uhoh
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you can get a 9800 from newegg for 100 and I am sure there has to be other online retailers that are just as competetive. Awhile back there was a speacial for $75 for a 9800, of course that does no good now.
cattb
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Yes the (only) 9800 GTX available at newegg ($109) is the same PNY version listed at Best Buy ($169).
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Yes the (only) 9800 GTX available at newegg ($109) is the same PNY version listed at Best Buy ($169).
:huh
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130339&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Video+Cards-_-EVGA-_-14130339 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130339&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Video+Cards-_-EVGA-_-14130339)
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this has always bothered me. the pny has 738 core clock, while the evga has 675, but u guys recommend evga the most, is this a non-issue? reason I asked is i bought the pny due to this higher core clock, ok also the box was prettier too.
semp
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EVGA = Lifetime warranty! Great customer service when needed on the phone and a good solid product.
PNY = Never had good luck with any of their stuff at all in the past and as such they don't get a mention in my rigs.
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the 4850 is a good choice less then 100.00 i just picked up a 4670 512 128 bit DDR3 for 70ish off new egg
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this has always bothered me. the pny has 738 core clock, while the evga has 675, but u guys recommend evga the most, is this a non-issue? reason I asked is i bought the pny due to this higher core clock, ok also the box was prettier too.
semp
I would go with EVGA myself. I did a search by Nvidia and then 9000 series and finally 9800 GTX and it reported newegg had only one card. Faulty search engine I guess. I have a PNY I picked up at Best Buy in a crunch. The only problem I have had with them in the past was a faulty cooling fan.
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to gyrene81 have you thought about looking at craigslist, just a idea
Cattb
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to gyrene81 have you thought about looking at craigslist, just a idea
Cattb
:D Actually, I did for a few minutes...craigslist has been on my pooplist since it's inception...always considered it a place for scheisters and posers, and with all the negative news headlines over the past year or so, I right on some level... :uhoh ...I'm going to poke around in it again to see what pops up, thanks for making the recommendation.
the 4850 is a good choice less then 100.00 i just picked up a 4670 512 128 bit DDR3 for 70ish off new egg
I've looked at the ATI cards...a lot...used to run nothing but back in the day...it's just this Nforce mobo chipset that has me hesitating. Back with the Nforce 4 and 5 chipsets, an ATI card caused problems if that's no longer the case then...hmmmm
Starting to look like 9800GT is the preferred choice.
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run a 9800gt on a HPM9350f pc with sliders Maxed
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:D Actually, I did for a few minutes...craigslist has been on my pooplist since it's inception...always considered it a place for scheisters and posers, and with all the negative news headlines over the past year or so, I right on some level... :uhoh ...I'm going to poke around in it again to see what pops up, thanks for making the recommendation.
I've looked at the ATI cards...a lot...used to run nothing but back in the day...it's just this Nforce mobo chipset that has me hesitating. Back with the Nforce 4 and 5 chipsets, an ATI card caused problems if that's no longer the case then...hmmmm
Starting to look like 9800GT is the preferred choice.
I posted a link to an EVGA 9800GTX at Newegg. What do you want? You're bouncing all over the place.
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GTX is the best bang for buck not the GT.
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this has always bothered me. the pny has 738 core clock, while the evga has 675, but u guys recommend evga the most, is this a non-issue? reason I asked is i bought the pny due to this higher core clock, ok also the box was prettier too.
semp
You can overclock an EVGA product to PNY speeds, but you can't overclock the PNY warranty and support to match what EVGA offers.
-Llama
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:D Actually, I did for a few minutes...craigslist has been on my pooplist since it's inception...always considered it a place for scheisters and posers, and with all the negative news headlines over the past year or so, I right on some level... :uhoh ...I'm going to poke around in it again to see what pops up, thanks for making the recommendation.
I've looked at the ATI cards...a lot...used to run nothing but back in the day...it's just this Nforce mobo chipset that has me hesitating. Back with the Nforce 4 and 5 chipsets, an ATI card caused problems if that's no longer the case then...hmmmm
Starting to look like 9800GT is the preferred choice.
9800 GT seems to be identical to the 8800 GT.
Probably nice cards, but even my 8800 GTS 512 would whip the 9800 GT.
Chech out the fill rates for the cards on wiki.
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think he actually means the 9800gtx+
semp
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Latest GPU for the 9800 and coolest running which means it will also clock higher if you like that sort of thing.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130339
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Latest GPU for the 9800 and coolest running which means it will also clock higher if you like that sort of thing.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130339
Same one I linked on the previous page.
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If buying a new 9800 GTX+ one might as well buy the GTS 250. Might be easier to sell on later.
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Same one I linked on the previous page.
I know its almost as if people just dont SEE things! :D
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If buying a new 9800 GTX+ one might as well buy the GTS 250. Might be easier to sell on later.
Wasn't worried about selling it later on...but I did find an awesome deal on Amazon.
XFX GS250XZDFC Geforce 512 GB GTX 250 DDR3 PCI-E 2.0 Graphics Card - $129.99 + $6.99 for Amazon Prime Saturday delivery
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002733L54/ref=ox_ya_oh_product (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002733L54/ref=ox_ya_oh_product)
Thank you guys for the advice...I hate spending the money :mad: but I hate the stuttering and low res graphics worse.
Even managed to get a licensed copy of Win7 Ultimate 64bit...and the wife ack is out of town.
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I have dual 9800 GTX + sli'd with vid settings maxed out and I have no problems with them at all.
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Wasn't worried about selling it later on...but I did find an awesome deal on Amazon.
XFX GS250XZDFC Geforce 512 GB GTX 250 DDR3 PCI-E 2.0 Graphics Card - $129.99 + $6.99 for Amazon Prime Saturday delivery
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002733L54/ref=ox_ya_oh_product (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002733L54/ref=ox_ya_oh_product)
Thank you guys for the advice...I hate spending the money :mad: but I hate the stuttering and low res graphics worse.
Even managed to get a licensed copy of Win7 Ultimate 64bit...and the wife ack is out of town.
That should be a massive step up from your previous card!
Enjoy!
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Yes but a 9800 GTX (/w or /wo +) will out perform a 250.
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Yes but a 9800 GTX (/w or /wo +) will out perform a 250.
You are probably thinking of another card as the GTS 250 is virtually identical to the 9800 GTX.
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here's the 250 on new egg several at different prices with rebates/free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=GTX+250&x=22&y=33
semp
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Yes but a 9800 GTX (/w or /wo +) will out perform a 250.
I don't think so Chalenge.
This is a more detailed spec info on the card I just purchased (discontinued item):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150357 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150357)
The processor is faster by a few MHz.
vs the 9800GTX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130339 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130339)
Except for the overclocked versions they are the same basic card...I just couldn't resist the overnight Saturday delivery for $7 extra.
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I upgraded from a 250 GTX when the card did not perform as well as the 9800 GTX I already had. I was really hoping the 1GB of memory would help it out some but it seemed to drop performance. Here is hoping you have a different experience. :salute
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Yeah I know what you mean Chalenge...I heard from several people at work that the 1GB cards in general weren't that great and until you get into the 260 series and up...and with the 250 series the performance is hit or miss. I'm really hoping this 512MB card will do the trick all things considered.
:cheers:
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I upgraded from a 250 GTX when the card did not perform as well as the 9800 GTX I already had. I was really hoping the 1GB of memory would help it out some but it seemed to drop performance. Here is hoping you have a different experience. :salute
That must be due to specific differences in the implementation of those cards. Or your settings changed when you swapped cards.
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Your probably right airhog since I dont know what Im doing with SLI and everything. :D
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:O Holypoopsticks the 250 is HUGE!!! Had to rearrange the inside of my system just to put it in. Hopefully my airflow is still good, it was tuned pretty well. :pray :headscratch:
The best part of it, NO MORE S..SS...SSSS...SSSTUTTERS!!! woohoo!!!
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Your probably right airhog since I dont know what Im doing with SLI and everything. :D
Some could argue that having SLI would be a definition of that. :)
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Some could argue that pennies are made of copper but it doesnt make it true. :neener: