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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Warspawn on November 11, 2009, 04:05:34 PM
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Went into town around midnight on the 9th to pick up a copy of the new Modern Warfare. Great graphics; was having fun doing the storyline campaign!
Then I ventured into the world of Multiplayer. I'm in NO way a great FPS kind of guy...most of what I try in games like that comes from my experiences as an infantryman at the 82nd Airborne; use of cover, watching for obvious lanes of fire an enemy might be using, working with my team to provide overwatch during movement, ect. Usually I do ok though, racking up more kills than deaths at least :salute
I can't tell you how many times I was instantly killed by a headshot from a LONG distance off while on a full run, or trying to take my time to find a great position only to get shot or knifed shortly after finding a decent fighting spot from someone who should have had no idea I was there. I hadn't fired or moved to give away my spot. Watching killcams would show them walking near me, then making a bee line to where I was at and immediately delivering lethal shots, sometimes through concealment where you couldn't even see I was there. They'd get near me and open up on the wall or shrub I was using, and I'd be watching the kill from their point of view while I was respawning wondering how in the hell they knew where I was and where to shoot. Was a bit frustrating to get my 3 or 4 kills during a match with over a dozen deaths, while there are people on the scoreboard game after game with 25+ kills and a only pair of deaths. I even switched to the 'mercenary' arena (random team assignments) to see if it was just organized clans scoring so well, but that didn't turn out to be the case.
No kick option or moderated servers this time around, unlike the other Battlefields, Quakes or Call of Duties where mods could watch for weird activity...
Am I alone here being frustrated, or is this happening to anyone else playing the game?
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I have Modern Warfare on 360 PS3 and Wii, Xbox is by far the best!
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Yah...fewer people out there modifying the game on the console versions, I bet. Maybe if I could get a mouse/keyboard set up I could switch to that. I have a PS3 and XBox 360, but really hate the controller. Especially when they put 'auto-aim' in there to help out.
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If anyone gets free later and wants to send me a holler, I'm Desdicato on Steam, with desdicato@hotmail.com if you want to friend me there. Or look up 'Warspawn' as my handle in-game...
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Then I ventured into the world of Multiplayer. I'm in NO way a great FPS kind of guy...most of what I try in games like that comes from my experiences as an infantryman at the 82nd Airborne; use of cover, watching for obvious lanes of fire an enemy might be using, working with my team to provide overwatch during movement, ect. Usually I do ok though, racking up more kills than deaths at least :salute
Don't know what you play usually but that will never work in an FPS like CoD or Counter Strike, by my observation
I can't tell you how many times I was instantly killed by a headshot from a LONG distance off while on a full run, or trying to take my time to find a great position only to get shot or knifed shortly after finding a decent fighting spot from someone who should have had no idea I was there. I hadn't fired or moved to give away my spot. Watching killcams would show them walking near me, then making a bee line to where I was at and immediately delivering lethal shots, sometimes through concealment where you couldn't even see I was there. They'd get near me and open up on the wall or shrub I was using, and I'd be watching the kill from their point of view while I was respawning wondering how in the hell they knew where I was and where to shoot. Was a bit frustrating to get my 3 or 4 kills during a match with over a dozen deaths, while there are people on the scoreboard game after game with 25+ kills and a only pair of deaths. I even switched to the 'mercenary' arena (random team assignments) to see if it was just organized clans scoring so well, but that didn't turn out to be the case.
It's just like Aces High, except there are people with far less amounts of 'life' who play. People are really ridiculously 'good' and any way to game the game is not looked down upon rather accepted and encouraged. FPS's are all reflexes and no thought.
Just my experience. That's why I don't play FPS.
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No dedicated servers, big no no
No moderation, big no no
VAC as hack prevention? NO NO!
IW CODMW2 for PC = FAIL
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There are a good chunk of people who play FPS that are insanely good at them. That being said there is an even larger number of people that stoop to using everything gamey that they can find. People hack FPS games has been the bane of the industry for as long as it's been around, even on moderated servers its a major problem.
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Yep can't count how many hackers I've seen on punkbuster 'protected' servers. PB protects only against the casual google kid that finds old hacks. Some lamers actually pay to cheat and they have versions that go undetected by pb.
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COD multiplayer: worst excuse for a war game ever produced.
If you want my advice Warspawn, get yourself a copy of ArmA2 for PC. Less hacking and much, much more tactical reward. Even an old copy of Operation Flashpoint Resistance is a far more enjoyable experience than COD multiplayer. Biggest waste of time and over-hyped product since online gaming was created, imo.
nazi zombies is fun though. :aok
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Yep can't count how many hackers I've seen on punkbuster 'protected' servers. PB protects only against the casual google kid that finds old hacks. Some lamers actually pay to cheat and they have versions that go undetected by pb.
servers need decent admins to stay on top of this stuff; server config, PB, PBBans and other MBLs like TWL help weed out most of it, but it requires active admins to police a server to keep it clean. the clanservers I used to play RTCW on had great admins and genuine hackers would never last more than 12h on their servers.
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If they have admins in the servers watching them, prepare to start paying for the pleasure of your game online.
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If they have admins in the servers watching them, prepare to start paying for the pleasure of your game online.
Don't we?
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Yup, which is exactly why IW obviously didn't think this "brilliant idea" through very well...
Motherland, the major difference between CoD games and AHII ("skill" wise) is this, in AHII, although you CAN get cheats, they're going to either be custom made or a real pain to find (for some $ of course), where as with the CoD series, if you know where to look, they're readily available for free, and they're designed to be "untraceable" by anti-hack software.
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Don't we?
If you are referring to AH then use we pay to play the online multiplayer portion, but not for the offline portion of the game.
Most FPS that have a multiplayer that is online. They usually don't charge for the privilege of using their servers. And most online FPS games that I have played, even the servers that were company owned, the admins couldn't be there all the time. Even when they where there a lot of the times the hacker would still get away with it.
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Yah...fewer people out there modifying the game on the console versions, I bet. Maybe if I could get a mouse/keyboard set up I could switch to that. I have a PS3 and XBox 360, but really hate the controller. Especially when they put 'auto-aim' in there to help out.
You can get a keyboard & mouse for either of them. Just google it.
and it's very likely people aren't cheating even when you think they are. I've been banned from hundreds of servers without cheating. Most people just think they're way better than they actually are.
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You can get a keyboard & mouse for either of them. Just google it.
and it's very likely people aren't cheating even when you think they are. I've been banned from hundreds of servers without cheating. Most people just think they're way better than they actually are.
It's very likely many people who you think don't cheat are cheating. Smart ones don't do it so obvious to get caught.
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smart people cheat in computer games?
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It's all pure skill and knowing the maps inside and out!
I play the PC version of course, no self respecting FPS gamer plays consoles unless he really has no other choice. (for the mouse and keyboard)
(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n268/Luke_831/pwmage.png)
Yes, P2P multiplayer is a total death sentence for any true PC-FPS game. The lag between players can be very noticeable at times. However, being a fan of COD4 I was buying MW2 no questions asked.
There is only one gun that is worth using in this game and that's the Styr AUG, if played in the defensive/holding roll, aka camping your tits off you will destroy everyone.
My main setup is as follows:
(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n268/Luke_831/Image12.png)
P.S: Don't call hacks unless your 100% sure, just admit you need some improvement.
Enjoy.
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It's all pure skill.
(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n268/Luke_831/pwmage.png)
badman
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Warspawn, COD is NOTHING like real war, think of it as an AH equivalent of a 25km/25km dogfighting arena where people fly spitfires only and spawn at 20K.
On the top of that, it depends which "game mode" u on.
1- Team deathmatch easy will provide your position to everyone. Go team deathmatch hardcore, at least. When u kill a guy, it will turn his camera angle toward u, even on hardcore.
2- Most know the maps better than you know your own kitchen. There are only few spots for sniping/ambush, u can bet that those guys already have they guns pointed at you when they turn around the corner.
3- The highest scorers run around and kill as many as they can before they die. Except some rare cases of sniping, u will not live long if u stay in one corner.
4- They are THAT good, will do a back flip and poke u in the head at 200y. Look at this guy in the vid : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x55fifmC5kk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x55fifmC5kk), many like him online, u don't stand a chance when u still think about setting up ur little love nest, hoping u'll surprise a guy or 2.
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It's very likely many people who you think don't cheat are cheating. Smart ones don't do it so obvious to get caught.
I played CAL-O, M, and I. I know exactly how good the very best are. They're most likely not cheating. Players just aren't nearly as good as they think they are.
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Warspawn, COD is NOTHING like real war, think of it as an AH equivalent of a 25km/25km dogfighting arena where people fly spitfires only and spawn at 20K.
On the top of that, it depends which "game mode" u on.
1- Team deathmatch easy will provide your position to everyone. Go team deathmatch hardcore, at least. When u kill a guy, it will turn his camera angle toward u, even on hardcore.
2- Most know the maps better than you know your own kitchen. There are only few spots for sniping/ambush, u can bet that those guys already have they guns pointed at you when they turn around the corner.
3- The highest scorers run around and kill as many as they can before they die. Except some rare cases of sniping, u will not live long if u stay in one corner.
4- They are THAT good, will do a back flip and poke u in the head at 200y. Look at this guy in the vid : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x55fifmC5kk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x55fifmC5kk), many like him online, u don't stand a chance when u still think about setting up ur little love nest, hoping u'll surprise a guy or 2.
What he said, but the video linked was staged.
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I can agree with the known camping spots. On one of the FPS that I played in the past there was one area that was bad for campers. I hit that area with explosives and time I could and didn't see a friendly tag there. Was accused of hacking since I killed the same guy in the hidey hole 8 times.
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I have Modern Warfare on 360 PS3 and Wii, Xbox is by far the best!
x-box = fail
ps3= KING
-BigBOBCH
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P.S: Don't call hacks unless your 100% sure, just admit you need some improvement.
Definitely. It was very annoying running a server with 50 people in it constantly, and when someone gets killed they yell "hacker!" Naturally, you have to switch to spec to spec said 'hacker' and they end up being one of the worst people in the game, and the guy who called it is just some kid. We have had lots of times where the hackers run a block on our RCON servers so we can't kick them...let me say, thank god for PB Power points. Though, many of the members got a kick out of annoying the aimbotters while we couldn't get rid of them. One of the few times we allow nade switching. Too bad it's 'moderated' by VAC now.
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Nothing compares to Starsiege Tribes, probably the best online shooter there was.
ack-ack
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I find it funny when i get accused of hacks on PS3, in Word at War, i got 68 kills 2 deaths in capture the flag, using a thompson with drum. Like there entire team was cussing me out for hacks rofl. Im doing ok with new COD, i do not know all the maps yet like the old COD's, so far best streak on modern warfare 2 is 37 kills 2 deaths in a team death match
-BigBOBCH
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x-box = fail
ps3= KING
-BigBOBCH
I really don't get the point of the PS3, most (90% of the people I talk to) play XBox 360 and use XBox Live, the concept of having a console you can't play with your real life friends on is alien to me... that's the only point of having a console I thought
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OK lets see, PS3 = free internet, better graphics, better quality, more memory, ok im sorry no halo (which i think is a horrible game btw)oh and it has blue ray, which they will be making all DVDs with soon, so while you go spend 200 bucks on a blue ray DVD player, i have one
-BigBOBCH
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I really don't care about graphics, I can easily get better graphics on my PC than any of the consoles, as well as everything you mentioned
The nice thing about consoles is that it's a cheap alternative for people without the time money or know how to build a decent computer. Thus the point would be that everyone has a common platform to play on. Which makes the XBox 360 the obvious choice for consoles as it's the most popular.
Just IMO though I don't like consoles, though I kind of want an XBox to play CoD and whatnot now :)
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OK lets see, PS3 = free internet, better graphics, better quality, more memory, ok im sorry no halo (which i think is a horrible game btw)oh and it has blue ray, which they will be making all DVDs with soon, so while you go spend 200 bucks on a blue ray DVD player, i have one
-BigBOBCH
Even my old computer outclasses the PS3's graphics, and 360's. Most people don't believe me till I put my monitor and PC side by side with their XBAWK.
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OK lets see, PS3 = free internet, better graphics, better quality, more memory, ok im sorry no halo (which i think is a horrible game btw)oh and it has blue ray, which they will be making all DVDs with soon, so while you go spend 200 bucks on a blue ray DVD player, i have one
-BigBOBCH
Actually, the Xbox 360 version of MW2 is graphically better than the PS3 version and the PC version is the best of the three. Just go to one of the gaming sites and look at the comparison screenshots. You'll see the clear difference in shadow quality and bloom effect between the PS3 and 360 version.
ack-ack
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PS3 is more expensive overall. 1 year of gold membership to Xbox live is about 30 pounds sterling. PS3 costs alot more than 30 pounds over an Xbox elite. Added to that, the PS3 network is flawed in some ways that often makes online gaming less attractive. The Xbox network is, by and large, a better connection and smoother graphics on HD monitor.
Xbox also has Forza Motorsport 3: best driving game ever made. If you doubt that then you clearly have not played it :D
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There are no hacking allowed on MW2
No dedicated servers + VAC = unquestionable idiot proof equal FPS goodness with no cheating
Any other opinion is the rants of modders, & cheating PC fanbois who cannot stomach glorious MW2 equality
...or Infinty Ward are a pack of retards who were lazy enough to pass off a console port as a pc game
Tronsky
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COD multiplayer: worst excuse for a war game ever produced.
If you want my advice Warspawn, get yourself a copy of ArmA2 for PC. Less hacking and much, much more tactical reward. Even an old copy of Operation Flashpoint Resistance is a far more enjoyable experience than COD multiplayer. Biggest waste of time and over-hyped product since online gaming was created, imo.
nazi zombies is fun though. :aok
:aok +1
ArmA and ArmA2 are by far the best FPS games that offer a tactical gameplay. Most of the time you're working with other people against AI units, but they are just as good if not better than any person you face. ArmA also has a whole list of aircraft and vehicles you can hop into and use as well, even laser guided bombs than can be targeted by friendlies with designators on the ground
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There are no hacking allowed on MW2
No dedicated servers + VAC = unquestionable idiot proof equal FPS goodness with no cheating
Tronsky
Isn't this a video of a MW2 Hack?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cMC37VkyTA&feature=player_embedded#
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I find FPS games too stressful and the kiddies are too fast and cheat too much. Used to play them abit before but no more. Ill get the 360 when and if a new 360 version of splinter cell is released.
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Isn't this a video of a MW2 Hack?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cMC37VkyTA&feature=player_embedded#
I never understood the mentality of those that resort to using aimbots or other hacks in game. The funny thing about it is that they think they're some uber experten player that's the best there ever was. Take away their aimbot and other hacks and they're very sub par players.
ack-ack
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No dedicated servers + VAC = unquestionable idiot proof equal FPS goodness with no cheating
...do you know how good VAC is? NOT GOOD.
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Amazing how few people pick up on sarcasm even when it's explained later in the post. :p
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Isn't this a video of a MW2 Hack?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cMC37VkyTA&feature=player_embedded#
thats just sad......and he got 20 less kills than in Kazaa's screenshot
:noid
:D
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I noticed kaz didn't get any assists either. very badman.
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Amazing how few people pick up on sarcasm even when it's explained later in the post. :p
This game is not balanced for sarcasm :aok
Tronsky
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This game is not balanced for sarcasm :aok
Tronsky
Lol!~ I had to go back and read your post to catch that second part about IW. Hey, it was late and I had just finished a pile of paperwork...grey matter was mush!
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COD multiplayer: worst excuse for a war game ever produced.
If you want my advice Warspawn, get yourself a copy of ArmA2 for PC. Less hacking and much, much more tactical reward. Even an old copy of Operation Flashpoint Resistance is a far more enjoyable experience than COD multiplayer. Biggest waste of time and over-hyped product since online gaming was created, imo.
nazi zombies is fun though. :aok
You're joking right? MoHAA got the ball rolling, and multiplayer is what made the WWII genre of FPS games so popular over the past 9 years...CoD has kept it going.
No online multiplayer PC based retail game is safe from the hacks. Almost every game published has cheats coded in...commands you can type in on the console for different things. And the more moddable the game is, the easier it is for hacks to be created. For first person shooters using any version of the Unreal or Quake engines, opengl hacks are the most popular and the most difficult to stop since the games are highly moddable.
Yes, the script kiddies and their cheats are bad...have been for nearly every FPS ever created...and some publishers have made attempts to stop them...most don't. The good news is those hackers get bored...the youngest ones only stick with a game until the next "popular" game comes out then they move on...the die hards keep playing until they get busted and banned and then they grab a keygen app and try again until they get bored and move on to the next game. They're all easy to spot once you develop a knack for it...takes time and diving into the sewer with the little punks makes it easier. I can tell you from personal experience, most are kids (high school age)...the worst are the "wannabe tough guys" living in their parents basement or some trailer park...and some "adults" with children who actually tell their kids it's ok to use a hack on someone's server (then they get pissed when you do a scan of their system and report some things to their local authorities :t).
I stopped playing WWII first person shooters online just because it took way too much effort to keep my servers clean of the cheaters and unsupervised teenage turds...for every pseron we got perma banned or got into trouble with their ISP and the authorities, 10 more popped up...and because of the cheats this new thing IWN has done with Modern Warfare won't last long...the game is too easily hacked and without active 24hr moderation, the legitimate players will stop playing...all that will be left will be the script kiddies and they don't like paying to play online.
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Oh no, I don't care about the hackers.
The gameplay is rubbish.
Warfare in a can, thats all it is.
It's just a rubbish game, an arcade shoot em up at the very best and a total waste of time if we are being honest.
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Oh no, I don't care about the hackers.
The gameplay is rubbish.
Warfare in a can, thats all it is.
It's just a rubbish game, an arcade shoot em up at the very best and a total waste of time if we are being honest.
Don't get your knickers in a twist old boy.
Your calling the best selling game of all time (that is until Battlefield Bad Company 2 comes out) "rubbish"... I think you should go get checked out, you know, by a doctor or something?
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hehe
it's not my fault that 4.6million kids have no clue about quality gaming.
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hehe
it's not my fault that 4.6million kids have no clue about quality gaming.
It's not our fault you don't know what a quality game is. While multiplayer may have taken a serious hit with the lack of dedicated servers for the PC version, there is no denying the single player campaign is utterly fantastic and probably one of the best games to be released in a very long time and has raised the bar for first person shooters.
ack-ack
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ack-ack,
I can't remember the last time I brought a game solely for single player, I'm sure it was GTA Vice City on the good old PS2.
BTW, check this out :rofl I go though this watermelon about once every ten games. Bring back dedi servers please!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHsWZp5pWCo&feature=popt00us09
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It's not our fault you don't know what a quality game is. While multiplayer may have taken a serious hit with the lack of dedicated servers for the PC version, there is no denying the single player campaign is utterly fantastic and probably one of the best games to be released in a very long time and has raised the bar for first person shooters.
ack-ack
I wont argue that point as I have not played MW2 at all. I am only commenting on the multiplayer aspect of CoD, from previous versions. I had assumed that the core gameplay remains the same in the newest version.
If they brought out a 100sq mile map and removed the rediculous perk system and arcade balistics, it might just be a great multiplayer game. Obvously, this is just my ignorant opinion based on previous CoD multiplayer experiences. I am not a bad player, i usualy do ok. I just don't rate it. *shrug*
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It's not our fault you don't know what a quality game is. While multiplayer may have taken a serious hit with the lack of dedicated servers for the PC version, there is no denying the single player campaign is utterly fantastic and probably one of the best games to be released in a very long time and has raised the bar for first person shooters.
ack-ack
A 3-4 hour single player campaign, and lagfest 9v9 multiplayer set on easy (ie. no hardcore "servers") for A$100 is hardly quality
Tronsky
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A 3-4 hour single player campaign, and lagfest 9v9 multiplayer set on easy (ie. no hardcore "servers") for A$100 is hardly quality
Tronsky
You must be in the UK if you paid that much for MW2. CoD games have always had short single player campaigns, Initity Ward's philosophy is why extend a game for the sake of just extending it at the expense of the story they're trying to tell. It's a good philosophy and it shows in their games. While it may be short, they do tell one Hell of a story.
ack-ack
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If they brought out a 100sq mile map and removed the rediculous perk system and arcade balistics, it might just be a great multiplayer game. Obvously, this is just my ignorant opinion based on previous CoD multiplayer experiences. I am not a bad player, i usualy do ok. I just don't rate it. *shrug*
You should try out CoDMW (first one) or CoDWaW on a "tactical realism" server...no "arcade ballistics"...no run n gun 360 jump machine gun noobs running around...the servers are modded so that it's very close to realistic with people organizing using squad infantry tactics...when I get bored flying, that's where I go. Be aware there is a difference between a server labeled "tactical" and those that have "tactial realism" in the names...and some of the "tactical realism" servers have some extreme b.s. rules from way back, like no running unless you're trying to get to cover...no shooting without the sights up...etc.
As for the dweebs using aimbots and wallhacks...they use them because they can't hang with the skilled players...and every single one of them admit it.
It's the mentality that if single player "god mode" is ok...then mulitplayer hacks should be ok...and it makes them feel good. Can't tell you how many times I've been told stuff like that by the little cheating dweebs over the years. I blame the school systems...teaching down rather than up...give the ones who don't want to make the effort an excuse and short cuts just to make the numbers look good to the tax payers.
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You must be in the UK if you paid that much for MW2. CoD games have always had short single player campaigns, Initity Ward's philosophy is why extend a game for the sake of just extending it at the expense of the story they're trying to tell. It's a good philosophy and it shows in their games. While it may be short, they do tell one Hell of a story.
ack-ack
The UK? Is that a town in South Australia?!?
It was US$89 on steam alone...I think you'll find alot of countries were being stung for mucho deniro for that 180 mins of fun...and no happy ending either
Tronsky
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You should try out CoDMW (first one) or CoDWaW on a "tactical realism" server...no "arcade ballistics"...no run n gun 360 jump machine gun noobs running around...the servers are modded so that it's very close to realistic with people organizing using squad infantry tactics...when I get bored flying, that's where I go. Be aware there is a difference between a server labeled "tactical" and those that have "tactial realism" in the names...and some of the "tactical realism" servers have some extreme b.s. rules from way back, like no running unless you're trying to get to cover...no shooting without the sights up...etc.
Why try to make tripe into sirloin steak when there are plenty of real meat butchers selling prime steak for cheaper prices?
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BTW, check this out :rofl I go though this watermelon about once every ten games. Bring back dedi servers please!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHsWZp5pWCo&feature=popt00us09
"I just got knifed...I think." :rofl
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...do you know how good VAC is? NOT GOOD.
heh... Oh the stories I could share... But I'll pick just one...
Guy shoots through 4 walls fresh out of a spawn, gets 2 headshots (not 2 birds one stone, but bang, bang, 2 HSs), send in the demo to VAC, their reply? "Not enough evidence of a hack, it very well could be skill, or even luck." :headscratch:
:bolt:
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Check out infinity wards forums for MW2 pc version. I find it funny that they tried to pass off a console port for the pc. There are still parts of it that refer to xbawks live. The PC gamers are mega pissed about the decision to drop dedi support, mod tools, lean, and console from the "PC" version.
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Check out infinity wards forums for MW2 pc version. I find it funny that they tried to pass off a console port for the pc. There are still parts of it that refer to xbawks live. The PC gamers are mega pissed about the decision to drop dedi support, mod tools, lean, and console from the "PC" version.
All old news now :P
heh... Oh the stories I could share... But I'll pick just one...
Guy shoots through 4 walls fresh out of a spawn, gets 2 headshots (not 2 birds one stone, but bang, bang, 2 HSs), send in the demo to VAC, their reply? "Not enough evidence of a hack, it very well could be skill, or even luck." :headscratch:
:bolt:
Yep, VAC sucks. Absolutely sucks. My community used to host about 20 full CS:S servers, used to be the backbone of our community until we switched to COD4 50/50. Was a hacker every 5 mins in CS:S.
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This is just like online play in AH to me. You go in as a noob and get killed by someone in a good bushwacking spot.. and then again.... and again... eventually you shoot first and check later. Then a noob comes in and thinks he has found a good bushwacking spot that everyone else grenades or sprays as a precaution and then he starts yelling 'hack.'
Noobs! :x
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PS3 is more expensive overall. 1 year of gold membership to Xbox live is about 30 pounds sterling. PS3 costs alot more than 30 pounds over an Xbox elite. Added to that, the PS3 network is flawed in some ways that often makes online gaming less attractive. The Xbox network is, by and large, a better connection and smoother graphics on HD monitor.
Xbox also has Forza Motorsport 3: best driving game ever made. If you doubt that then you clearly have not played it :D
Have Forza Motorsport 2 I think. I love it.
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Better semi old news. The people that pirated the game are getting a better MP playing experience than the people that payed. Does this strike anyone else as somewhat silly?
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Better semi old news. The people that pirated the game are getting a better MP playing experience than the people that payed. Does this strike anyone else as somewhat silly?
I think it's hilarious and a good testament to not trying to screw over the PC community.
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I think it's hilarious and a good testament to not trying to screw over the PC community.
Rightly so!
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I dont waste my time on those games online. Too many of "Them" on there.
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Nothing compares to Starsiege Tribes, probably the best online shooter there was.
ack-ack
Shazbot!
I couldn't agree more ack-ack.
And for the folks who missed the greatest 2 fps games there ever were, here a few movies, no aimbots just pure skill.
Tribes 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qY8s7X-f30 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qY8s7X-f30)
Tribes 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOLmvS9lYJw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOLmvS9lYJw)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BjW1kN9P9k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BjW1kN9P9k)
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I think it's hilarious and a good testament to not trying to screw over the PC community.
Wait...WHAT?! How the diddly is that justification? The dev's go where the money is. PC, there isn't any at this point. Examine units sold on PC vs Console. now before I get flamed - think about the economics. A decent rig to run anything you are spending $1500 every 3 years. A console with a dedicated piece of hardware to run nothing but bouncing Konami kids playing dance dance revolution is $200.
I'm sorry, but you can't compete with that. Especially if you can sell 5 or 10 times the units for every PC out there that is interested. Its simply comes down to volume. Do I think its a sad state of affairs? Yes absolutely - I believe the PC offers a better experience in terms of fidelity then a console can ever offer. But the cost per unit you can't bring down to a compeditive level if a 10 year old wants a game. He won't spend 1500 on a system to run 1 thing. he might spend 300 + 60 for the game to get it running.
And as a side: This was done years ago by my old friend kevin, the current host of G4TV. It still applies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67_ymNo2QVo
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Don't know what you play usually but that will never work in an FPS like CoD or Counter Strike, by my observation
It's just like Aces High, except there are people with far less amounts of 'life' who play. People are really ridiculously 'good' and any way to game the game is not looked down upon rather accepted and encouraged. FPS's are all reflexes and no thought.
Just my experience. That's why I don't play FPS.
I'm afraid I have to disagree.
If you take a team that calls positions, flanks, takes positions and trust each other to achieve their goal, you will see a VERY large difference than a team that just solo's it and runs around shooting things.
As much as you will hate to hear this, there is a mildly-strategic element to call of duty if you play with your friends. My friends and I have formed a "clan" that just plays against random people in matchmaking using various tactics and techniques that the military uses in real life. I don't believe we have lost a game ever since we got our act together.
You should see us play in CTF matches. Imagine an entire road with hidden teammates in the buildings as you run the flag down the street with all the cover fire in the world you could ever need.
We have our gameplay strategies down. It's why we win.
So, to get back on topic. Every FPS has the mindless drone stage that any average player uses.
However, there ARE people who play strategically and with thought. You just need to find them.
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Ah but here is the problem with your argument. The PC gamers wouldn't be having kittens if they had a PC game to play. PC version of MW2 is a direct port from the xbawks version. here is an example:
IW's "PC CODE"
0071EB98: 'set systemlink 0; set splitscreen 0; set onlinegame 1; exec default_xboxlive.cfg',0
0070573C: 'menu_xboxlive_privatelobby',
They pulled dedi, lean, and the dev console out after assuring the PC gamers that MW2 would have the same experience as MW1. Here is quotes from the transcript of a live chat session at http://forums.bestbuy.com/t5/Gaming/Call-of-Duty-Modern-Warfare-2-Live-Chat-Session-Transcript/td-p/67692 (http://forums.bestbuy.com/t5/Gaming/Call-of-Duty-Modern-Warfare-2-Live-Chat-Session-Transcript/td-p/67692).
TheNinthAxis: Is there lean in PC multiplayer.
Vince-IW: No.
zach426: What was your guy's logic behind removing the lean feature for PC, a feature that was a mainstay from all of your previous call of duty titles?
Mackey-IW: The game is not balanced for lean.
The hackers have found that the console, lean, dedi support, and three unreleased game types are in the code. There is only a couple of reasons for this among them is that they weren't ready in time. The more believable reason is that they will activate some of this code as DLC since they are planing to monetize CoD. The record sales on this were for the console version of the game, the PC version had mediocre sales at best. From what I have seen there was a significant amount of pre-order cancellations. The only confirmed number I could find was from Amazon.com where they lost $200,000 from the cancellations, http://www.gamereflect.com/?p=24 (http://www.gamereflect.com/?p=24). Most other businesses won't say numbers but will admit that they have had a lot of cancellations.
I don't condone piracy but this is a prime example of what happens when you assume that PC users will agree to being controlled like console players. Infinity Ward screwed up big time and they are paying for it. They thought that most FPS players were willing pay for what should have been included in the first place. This is the direct result. Will this hurt PC gamers in the future; yes but not as bad as some believe. Look at what DICE is doing with Battlefield: Bad Company 2, http://blogs.battlefield.ea.com/battlefield_bad_company/archive/2009/10/26/dedicated-to-our-pc-players.aspx## (http://blogs.battlefield.ea.com/battlefield_bad_company/archive/2009/10/26/dedicated-to-our-pc-players.aspx##). The worst part about this whole ordeal is the silence that the PC community is experiencing from IW staff. I guess they believe that if they ignore it long enough it will go away. I seriously doubt that it will go away any time soon and it will rear it's ugly head every time they try to make a new game.
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Wait...WHAT?! How the twittle is that justification? The dev's go where the money is. PC, there isn't any at this point. Examine units sold on PC vs Console. now before I get flamed - think about the economics. A decent rig to run anything you are spending $1500 every 3 years. A console with a dedicated piece of hardware to run nothing but bouncing Konami kids playing dance dance revolution is $200.
I'm sorry, but you can't compete with that. Especially if you can sell 5 or 10 times the units for every PC out there that is interested. Its simply comes down to volume. Do I think its a sad state of affairs? Yes absolutely - I believe the PC offers a better experience in terms of fidelity then a console can ever offer. But the cost per unit you can't bring down to a compeditive level if a 10 year old wants a game. He won't spend 1500 on a system to run 1 thing. he might spend 300 + 60 for the game to get it running.
Wait, so you're saying that the people who spend over $1k on a system in order to run a game in the "preferred" mode shouldn't be in an uprising over not being able to play the game, not being able to play the game decently, not being able to find a room without hackers, and most of all not able to find somewhere to have fun for more than 15 minutes, especially considering the complete and utter lack of communication from the previously very talkative developers? Add to that that whoever moderates their forum is letting people leave posts up for DAYS that talk of nothing but tutorials on how to hack and pirate the game.
That sounds rather backwards to me.
On the topic of "not any PC at this point," I think if you look at the sheer volume of people in their PC forum and the number of people STILL playing through STEAM through all the cheats and hacks, you're quite wrong. The FPS community thrives on the keyboard and mouse. Though quite a few of them seem to be saying "to hell with it" after this game was released and ignored...and they sure as hell aren't switching to a dirty console.
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Wait, so you're saying that the people who spend over $1k on a system in order to run a game in the "preferred" mode shouldn't be in an uprising over not being able to play the game, not being able to play the game decently, not being able to find a room without hackers, and most of all not able to find somewhere to have fun for more than 15 minutes, especially considering the complete and utter lack of communication from the previously very talkative developers? Add to that that whoever moderates their forum is letting people leave posts up for DAYS that talk of nothing but tutorials on how to hack and pirate the game.
That sounds rather backwards to me.
On the topic of "not any PC at this point," I think if you look at the sheer volume of people in their PC forum and the number of people STILL playing through STEAM through all the cheats and hacks, you're quite wrong. The FPS community thrives on the keyboard and mouse. Though quite a few of them seem to be saying "to hell with it" after this game was released and ignored...and they sure as hell aren't switching to a dirty console.
I'm not saying it's wrong and rather short sighted of IW to restrict features on the PC. It's rather ducked up in truth, but the bean counters have it right with their focus on the console market. Just follow the money. A publisher won't justify seed capital for followon versions with only 100,000 units sold. PC is lucky to hit that number. Hell just look how FSX sold and that was from
MS mothership.
Bottomline is this OZ, agree or not - on
the PC, we have no leverage in the market - or maybe severely diminished leverage. Were a niche product and market with cheaper alternatives to compete against with lower development overheads.
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Well, I think we're arguing different points. I think it's fine in principle for people to upheave against these companies that many feel have outright deceived them. I think you're saying it simply won't work...which I have no comment on, really. I dunno.
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Shazbot!
I couldn't agree more ack-ack.
And for the folks who missed the greatest 2 fps games there ever were, here a few movies, no aimbots just pure skill.
Tribes 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qY8s7X-f30 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qY8s7X-f30)
Tribes 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOLmvS9lYJw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOLmvS9lYJw)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BjW1kN9P9k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BjW1kN9P9k)
*sigh* watching those videos really make me miss Tribes. The best times I've had was playing with my brother and friend and we'd take our heavies and ski to the other base and take over the bunker. We'd place ammo stations inside, place turrets all around and just sit in there and laugh.
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I'm not saying it's wrong and rather short sighted of IW to restrict features on the PC. It's rather ducked up in truth, but the bean counters have it right with their focus on the console market. Just follow the money. A publisher won't justify seed capital for followon versions with only 100,000 units sold. PC is lucky to hit that number. Hell just look how FSX sold and that was from
MS mothership.
The bean counters in this case is Activision and they've already said quite clearly that they are going to milk every existing IP in their library to the fullest. In fact, one of the major criteria for a game to be developed and sold by Activision is whether or not they can fully exploit the franchise. If they feel they can't squeeze the franchise for all its worth, they will either not green light it or dump the IP, Ghostbusters and Brutal Legends are two examples of this. Both IPs were considered by Activision to be potential successful first releases but beyond the first release no potential as a franchise to exploit.
That's one of the main reasons why MW2 doesn't have dedicated servers for multiplayer. Activision cannot get any money if little Johnny hosts his own dedicated server for his clan. They can get money if they force little Johnny and his clan to rent a server from them.
Bottomline is this OZ, agree or not - on
the PC, we have no leverage in the market - or maybe severely diminished leverage. Were a niche product and market with cheaper alternatives to compete against with lower development overheads.
It really depends on the title, if MW2 had dedicated servers then you'd see the sales of the PC version be on par, if not surpass that of the console versions.
PC games are not a 'niche' product at all, there are 'niche' games but those are genres and not really relevant to whether or not the PC is on the way out as a profitable medium for games. It's clearly not the case. It's really no different than the claims each time a new console is released that supposedly makes PC gaming obsolete, which has been shown time and time again that it's not the case. The fact is, and this you'll never see a studio disagree, PC as a gaming platform is superior to that of consoles and always will be. The only thing that helps the consoles is the ease of use which makes it more appealing to those that wouldn't normally play games on the PC.
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Bottomline is this OZ, agree or not - on
the PC, we have no leverage in the market - or maybe severely diminished leverage. Were a niche product and market with cheaper alternatives to compete against with lower development overheads.
Nail meet head.
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As much as you will hate to hear this, there is a mildly-strategic element to call of duty if you play with your friends. My friends and I have formed a "clan" that just plays against random people in matchmaking using various tactics and techniques that the military uses in real life.
Hmmm, i can see it now. Real life tactics in Afganistan:
marine 1: Hey man, we have a patrol in 40 mins what do you recomend we load out with?
Marine 2: Well usualy i would take the extra health perk on this type of mission but i think its going to be safe so you should take the stopping power perk and steady aim perk.
Marine 1: yeah, good call, i ws thinking of taking the increase stamina perk if we had to run, but maybe you are right.
Obviously I'm just being a dork here. :) I'm sure you have fun and are good at your tactics but there is nothing realistic about this game at all, imo. Except maybe the penetration through walls aspect, that is actualy quite good.
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*sigh* watching those videos really make me miss Tribes. The best times I've had was playing with my brother and friend and we'd take our heavies and ski to the other base and take over the bunker. We'd place ammo stations inside, place turrets all around and just sit in there and laugh.
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Hehe the good old days of heavy mortars and skiing :D a fanproject gotten the IP of Garage Games and made a new version get it at http://www.tribesnext.com (http://www.tribesnext.com) complete with new master server.
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Here is a warning for you. Apparently hackers are using IWNet to transmit a trojan,TR/Crypt.XPACK.Gen, to your system. Was posted on IW's MW2 PC forums in this thread
http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=181646 (http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=181646). Just a heads up.
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Ive played every COD game made. MOH too.I dont play console as I cant do FPS on a console.Its unnatural to me. On the COD4 servers Ive been on there is a big "Boycott MW2" going on. To the extent that the server is spamming you with this slogan. Fine,its their server and their right.
What they fail to realize is that PC vers never hold up to console numbers.Sales wise,its not even close. What they ARE doing is giving these programmers who work their tulips off to create a game for a PC,with all the variables involved,even more reason to just drop the PC market all together. Cost wise,it would be a prudent move. It would bite them in the bellybutton down the road as PC gamers have a long memory. Just look at how many hate EA for killing AW.
While I like the dedicated servers in previous game,boycotting the PC ver is,to me,cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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Obviously I'm just being a dork here. :) I'm sure you have fun and are good at your tactics but there is nothing realistic about this game at all, imo. Except maybe the penetration through walls aspect, that is actualy quite good.
If the game was realistic, you'd sit in front of your console for days on end doing absolutely nothing by arguing with your buddy who you'd rather stick it to, beyonce or j-lo.. followed by 10 hours of vehicle repairs.
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If the game was realistic, you'd sit in front of your console for days on end doing absolutely nothing by arguing with your buddy who you'd rather stick it to, beyonce or j-lo.. followed by 10 hours of vehicle repairs.
:rofl :aok
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Here is a warning for you. Apparently hackers are using IWNet to transmit a trojan,TR/Crypt.XPACK.Gen, to your system. Was posted on IW's MW2 PC forums in this thread
http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=181646 (http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=181646). Just a heads up.
It's a false positive that's being reported from users of Avira. So far, that's been the only anti-virus program that has detected a trojan virus in relation to MW2 and will be fixed in the next daily Avira update (should be tomorrow). I loved how the people started to cry how the sky is falling and even making up bullcrap to show how evil and irresponsible IW is. I swear, the MW2 community is filled with nothing more than limp wrists that make our resident limp wrists seem masculine in comparison.
Avira false positive (http://www.mapmodnews.com/article.php/MW2-AVIRA-Crypt.XPACK.Gen-Trojan)
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I swear, the MW2 community is filled with nothing more than limp wrists that make our resident limp wrists seem masculine in comparison.
Entertaining to watch, though. :D I'm one who tunes 200 for kicks as well, though... :noid
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If the game was realistic, you'd sit in front of your console for days on end doing absolutely nothing by arguing with your buddy who you'd rather stick it to, beyonce or j-lo.. followed by 10 hours of vehicle repairs.
:rofl nice one Indy. When i was in the TA cadets the most fun i had off exercise was gambling for ciggys over the ping-pong table. I remember there was also alot of time spent making your bed, then having it ripped apart, re-making your bed then being hit round the head with your emss can for not cleaning it correctly.
but really, there are alot more realistic 'combat' games. It's not a 'military lifestyle' game, it's a combat game and as combat games go it's set firmly in the arcade section.
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Well MW2 IMHO sucks. Not the game itself, but the stupid Steam thing. I have to buy 2 versions of the game so both my kids can play at the same time on PC's. WTF !!!!!!!!!
:furious :furious :furious
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Well i was having fun untill today, logged in and it said i had to BUY the game lol i got the game off of GameZone Digital Download, Download went great, put the game on disk, entered the key Code Game said valid key accepeted, been playing for a few days and now this its says InValid Keycode thru Steam already activated by another member, even thou ive been playing it THRU Steam for days, WTF!!!.... Ive emailed Steam, no answer yet and i can almost hear there responce already. :furious :furious :furious
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If you paid for it, get your money back. you will NOT get a response from Steam. According to the forums, like 60,000 keycodes were disabled due to the retailers not having a license to sell them.
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If you paid for it, get your money back. you will NOT get a response from Steam. According to the forums, like 60,000 keycodes were disabled due to the retailers not having a license to sell them.
Yea i called my CC company evidently they refunded me my money soooooooooooooo i guess GameZone was one of them, normally i would just go buy the game at a store but have been feeling Ill as of late, so i figured id try a digital download, guess ill be going to the store to buy a real copy of it, There going to end up killing this game with all the BS you have to go thru just to play