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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: avionix on November 16, 2009, 03:49:20 PM
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For the guy that happens to have everything, here is something a little different. This would be pretty cool.
http://prideaircraft.com/flanker.htm (http://prideaircraft.com/flanker.htm)
(http://prideaircraft.com/images/Su27/Su27-Night-Ramp-800.jpg)
(http://prideaircraft.com/images/Su27/Su27-side1-decaled-550.jpg)
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Holy cow :D
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"Hey baby, wanna have a ride?"
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I bet the owner of the Aqua-Bugatti will be augering it next week.
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:rofl Thought it was a new French mini sub the Aquaveyron.
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One or both aircraft are available. Serious, qualified buyers may contact John Morgan at prideaircraftinc@aol.com or at 815-969-7743. Please, no tire-kickers or "aircraft dreamers" should call.
Damn
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Well, if I had the money, I'd get that, and 15000 acres, set up an electrified fence, and an airport. And have a helluva time hunting varmint. :D :rock
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Well, if I had the money, I'd get that, and 15000 acres, set up an electrified fence, and an airport. And have a helluva time hunting varmint. :D :rock
Look out prairie dogs :rofl
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Just bought them, see you guys in the DA
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s35/68zoom/Mobil.gif)
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I wonder if the Ejection Seats have been tested?
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Better yet......the availability of spare parts.
Only need two ejection seats!
:D
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"Hey baby, wanna have a ride?"
Nice car hun! Is that a Ferrari, its mighty fine?
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Hope the ejection seat is still intact
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isn't that the type of plane that crashed into the crowd at that air show?
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isn't that the type of plane that crashed into the crowd at that air show?
No that was a Mig-29
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Wonder if friends will "pitch in" for gas money. :lol
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No that was a Mig-29
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSS0SmVwZ00
Was a Flanker. Real bad deal, the full video is pretty brutal.
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See Rule #6
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85 spectators killed. We usually try to keep all the aircraft flying out over the field in the US.
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Good luck getting it registered to fly in the US.
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Good luck getting it registered to fly in the US.
Both aircraft have freshly-overhauled (zero-time) airframes with zero-time engines, and have just completed extensive inspections and Westernization by skilled factory technicians.
The aircraft arrived here in a completely de-militarized condition -- all weapons systems and military-related hardware had been previously removed, in full compliance with U.S. and Ukranian laws.
Now to find the guy who bought the F-18 off of E-bay and have some fun...
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They are already registered....
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Please, no tire-kickers or "aircraft dreamers" should call.
Damn
:rofl
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They are already registered....
I'd suggest you look into that a bit.
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I wonder if the Ejection Seats have been tested?
i thought ejection seats needed to be disabled for sale to civilians......ya know......'cause they're afraid of a pilot having a premature ejection.... :uhoh
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I have and my comment stands...
Strip
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No that was a Mig-29
and it's somewhat irrelevant, as that was(i believe) pilot error./
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and it's somewhat irrelevant, as that was(i believe) pilot error./
???
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???
what didn't ya understand?
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what didn't ya understand?
OP posted about a Flanker, someone asked if that was the same plane that crashed at the airshow, and it was. How is that irrelevant?
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OP posted about a Flanker, someone asked if that was the same plane that crashed at the airshow, and it was. How is that irrelevant?
because it wasn't the planes fault that it crashed. it was pilot error.
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I have and my comment stands...
Strip
Perhaps I should have worded it better. Wait for that airworthiness certificate.
I always forget about my own "registered" wreck.
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because it wasn't the planes fault that it crashed. it was pilot error.
What does pilot error have to do with what kind of plane it was?
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Perhaps I should have worded it better. Wait for that airworthiness certificate.
I always forget about my own "registered" wreck.
I don't see that Certificate being Approved. :D
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What does pilot error have to do with what kind of plane it was?
I INterpreted the statement of "that's the same plane that crashed at the airshow" to mean that the plane was unsafe, and a POS. hence my statement.
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Perhaps I should have worded it better. Wait for that airworthiness certificate.
I always forget about my own "registered" wreck.
What would prevent it?
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What would prevent it?
A few things.
But surf here: http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/air_cert/airworthiness_certification/std_awcert/ (http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/air_cert/airworthiness_certification/std_awcert/)
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For the uneducated in aircraft safety and maintenance could you elaborate?
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I don't see how the discussion about crashes is relevant in this thread related to the sale of these two unique birds. Both the Su27 and MiG29 have crashed at various airshows over the years, most (if not all) of these crashes can be traced back to pilot error. All military aircraft suffer attrition rates in normal operating conditions and the russians do have a track record of being somewhat unruly at airshows (and in general). Like that norwegian P3 Orion over the north sea, about 10 years ago or so, that encountered a Su27 intercept and the Sukhoi pilot went in so close he struck the recce plane with one of his tail fins. Both aircraft and all crew survived that incident, but the norwegians swore that the russian was drunk! That may very well have been the case. :)
Back on topic, those birds are unique and deserve a worthy owner. I hope they find a good home and a owner who isn't afraid to fly them at airshows.
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The Collins Foundation should buy one and give Mach 2 rides intern for a donation.
I wonder if the type rating comes with the purchase?
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I don't see how the discussion about crashes is relevant in this thread related to the sale of these two unique birds. Both the Su27 and MiG29 have crashed at various airshows over the years, most (if not all) of these crashes can be traced back to pilot error. All military aircraft suffer attrition rates in normal operating conditions and the russians do have a track record of being somewhat unruly at airshows (and in general). Like that norwegian P3 Orion over the north sea, about 10 years ago or so, that encountered a Su27 intercept and the Sukhoi pilot went in so close he struck the recce plane with one of his tail fins. Both aircraft and all crew survived that incident, but the norwegians swore that the russian was drunk! That may very well have been the case. :)
Back on topic, those birds are unique and deserve a worthy owner. I hope they find a good home and a owner who isn't afraid to fly them at airshows.
that was the point i was making.
hell.....even the thunderbirds, And blue angels......pretty much the two best airshow teams in the world have had crashes......i think the canadian team crashed one or two of their trainers.........
yes, the person that can afford to buy one of these beauties is indeed fortunate. lets just hope it's not the nutball that drove the veyron into the pond in texas. :joystick:
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The Collins Foundation should buy one and give Mach 2 rides intern for a donation.
I wonder if the type rating comes with the purchase?
THAT is an excellent idea. if i recall, they're doing that with an me262? not the mach 2 rides.....but just the rides in the 262 jet./
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They also have a F4.
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Just bought them, see you guys in the DA
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s35/68zoom/Mobil.gif)
Are you sure those aren't 163's?
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For the uneducated in aircraft safety and maintenance could you elaborate?
I skimmed through that FAA stuff but nothing is jumping out on why they couldn't be flown here. Seems to be a hell of a an investment not to have your act together.
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How many civilian owned mach capable birds are allowed to break the sound barrier?
Those two engines in burner are gonna put a serious dent in someones pocketbook.
Anyone know why the Russians use really long runways?
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For the uneducated in aircraft safety and maintenance could you elaborate?
Obviously Strip, you know enough to know that they actually have received a registration number. You should also know that registering and getting an airworthiness certificate for these exotics in this country is, what's are the best words to describe this.... strenuous at best. In my little ole opinion, those aircraft are going to require a hellacious amount of money to even get to that point with the FAA. Introduce new rules by the TSA, and all of a sudden, those aircraft aren't duch hot commodities any more.
Seriously, they haven't sold yet, and there were several big dogs in the biz that wanted them until the powers that be quietly told them, "No." That should tell you something.
The reason I say this, is owing to my involvement in an attempt to import an MiG-29 for a "big dog". I traveled to see and inspect, actually got to sit in it during an engine run up to prove it ran, I declined the flight check. The big dog actually got close to trying to bring ehr in, and that little voice came and said, "No, we'll let you bring it in, but it will not fly here."
I hope they can do it, but it is not very likely.
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These guys operate out of my local airport.
http://www.redair.net/home.php
Always interesting to walk around to see what's new.
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http://www.stormbirds.com/project/index.html
now thats what is cool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYXd60D_kgQ&feature=player_embedded#
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7620890100890480&q=me%2B262&pr=goog-sl#
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SBAhNb1Y4w&feature=related
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I would save up for quite a while for a backseat ride in an Su-27 or Mig-29. Might be a hell of a ride.
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Warbirds of Delaware fly this Mig-23:
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/310637/mig_23_air_display_at_the_2006_new_castle_airshow/
It's currently for sale.
They also fly a Mig-21.
So there are already Mig-21's, 23's and 29's in private ownership flying in America. Why then not an Su-27?
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Obviously Strip, you know enough to know that they actually have received a registration number. You should also know that registering and getting an airworthiness certificate for these exotics in this country is, what's are the best words to describe this.... strenuous at best. In my little ole opinion, those aircraft are going to require a hellacious amount of money to even get to that point with the FAA. Introduce new rules by the TSA, and all of a sudden, those aircraft aren't duch hot commodities any more.
Seriously, they haven't sold yet, and there were several big dogs in the biz that wanted them until the powers that be quietly told them, "No." That should tell you something.
The reason I say this, is owing to my involvement in an attempt to import an MiG-29 for a "big dog". I traveled to see and inspect, actually got to sit in it during an engine run up to prove it ran, I declined the flight check. The big dog actually got close to trying to bring ehr in, and that little voice came and said, "No, we'll let you bring it in, but it will not fly here."
I hope they can do it, but it is not very likely.
Can you PM me who the "big dog" is? One of the few who I believe would be really interested in this has first initial D :)
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So there are already Mig-21's, 23's and 29's in private ownership flying in America. Why then not an Su-27?
Good one :lol
The same reason F-18's and MiG-29's aren't going into civilian hands.
You can have an F-5 if you'd like. A host of other 1950s and 1960s airplanes to include an F4 Phantom II. You're not getting a Flanker or Fulcrum.
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wow.
let me just go buy a lottery ticket
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The same reason F-18's and MiG-29's aren't going into civilian hands.
If you scroll up a bit and click the link you'll see that Red Air Inc. operates a Mig-29. They're a private company.
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They're not Joe Pennybags looking for a fun toy either. They're a DOD Contractor and simply being a private company doesn't make one an average civilian.
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"Hey baby, wanna have a ride?"
If a sports car is compensation for a small one, what is this?
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They're not Joe Pennybags looking for a fun toy either. They're a DOD Contractor and simply being a private company doesn't make one an average civilian.
I don't think any "average civilian" owns a Mach 2 jet. They're a private company working for U.S. Defense Agencies, Defense Contractors and Foreign Governments. Or so they say on their "about" page. They also say: “Red Air” was formed in 1999 as the Military Support Division of “Air USA”. Since 1994 Air USA has been very successful in providing Foreign Military Aircraft for Aviation Enthusiast as well as participation in Air Shows and providing Commercial Air Services."
In any case, what's the practical difference between a civilian Mig-21, a civilian Mig-23 and a civilian Mig-29? All are Mach 2+ capable and none of them have any military avionics or weapons.
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its illegial to pass the speed of sound anyways for cilvians even the concord could only go supersonic over the atlantic
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I'm an average citizen and I can go buy a MiG-21. I can own it, operate it and maintain it.
Like Bodhi said I could go buy a Flanker or a Fulcrum but I'd never be allowed to get it off the ground with an N registration in the USA. This is subject to change in the future.
In any case, what's the practical difference between a civilian Mig-21, a civilian Mig-23 and a civilian Mig-29? All are Mach 2+ capable and none of them have any military avionics or weapons.
You're not asking the right question.
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I'm an average citizen and I can go buy a MiG-21. I can own it, operate it and maintain it.
You can afford it?
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You can afford it?
That is a very tacky question. The answer isn't any of your business, either.
There is nothing stopping me or anyone else from purchasing any of the airplanes we're talking about. There are however significant obstacles in getting a Flanker or Fulcrum flying when compared to the other jets referred to.
Personally I think a Folland Gnat would be two scoops of fun.
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If you can afford it you are far, far from an "average citizen".
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I disagree. But that's not what this discussion is about.
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Then why not the Su-27? Straight answer.
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Then why not the Su-27? Straight answer.
No kidding. What's the secret?
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Well? Anyone?
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I disagree. But that's not what this discussion is about.
i skipped a lot of pages....and didn't think this thread was still alive.
you're wasting your time arguing with him. he argues for the sake of arguing.
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Thats funny CAP1, he accused me of the same thing and gave me flak about it.
I would agree your statement tho....
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i skipped a lot of pages....and didn't think this thread was still alive.
you're wasting your time arguing with him. he argues for the sake of arguing.
I love you too! :cheers:
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Thats funny CAP1, he accused me of the same thing and gave me flak about it.
No, I don't think so. Care to quote me on that?
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Why would I quote someone that I wasn't refering too? I leave you to figure out who I was thinking about....
:aok
Strip
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Oh, so you weren't referring to me? Ok then, never mind.
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http://www.redair.net/mig21.php
they have the Mig 29 and Mig - 21 certified to fly in the US
i found this too about flying russian jets in the USA
In accordance with FAA Order 8130.2 the aircraft would be certificated as an Experimental Exhibition.
Former military aircraft should be demilitarized prior to application for airworthiness certification. It is not possible to define what the final configuration of these aircraft will be following this demilitarization. Therefore, because the demilitarization process most likely will involve a change to the aircraft configuration, FAA representatives should not consider an application for airworthiness certification unless demilitarization has been completed.
It is the policy of the DOD that surplus U.S. military property designated as arms, ammunition, implements of war, and other military items will be demilitarized to the extent necessary to preclude the unauthorized use of these military items.
Former military aircraft imported from any other country require an import permit issued by the Department of the Treasury, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF). This permit is granted by the ATF using ATF Form 6, Application and Permit for Importation of Firearms, Ammunition, and Implements of War. In addition, these former military aircraft are required to be demilitarized in order to clear U.S. Customs. Compliance with demilitarization is evidenced by a completed ATF Form 6A, Release and Receipt of Imported Firearms, Ammunition, and Implements of War. Proof of demilitarization will be verified if the applicant presents copies of ATF Form 6 and ATF Form 6A that have been completed by appropriate officials of the Department of the Treasury. If the applicant is unable to produce ATF Form 6 or 6A, the FAA certificating office should contact the ATF Firearms and Explosives Import Branch to determine if copies of these forms are available for the particular aircraft. In cases for which ATF Form 6 or 6A are not required or not available, the FAA certificating office manager will determine the extent of demilitarization necessary prior to airworthiness certification
Also found
American military aircraft are never allowed to fly supersonically over the US, under normal peacetime conditions, except in specially designated areas. One such area is the High Altitude Supersonic Corridor (HASSC) in southern California. This corridor extends from northwest of Los Angeles to the Colorado River near Las Vegas, Nevada. A portion of the HASSC passes through the R-2508 Special Use Airspace Complex that includes Edwards Air Force Base, the China Lake Naval Air Warfare Center, and the Army's Fort Irwin. The HASSC is one of several special supersonic zones in the region, and is used by the Air Force, Navy, and foreign militaries for training and flight testing. The aircraft operating in this restricted area are responsible for the many odd rumbling noises and mysterious sounds often reported as secret, exotic, cutting-edge new airplanes supposedly developed at the infamous "Area 51."
Supersonic Corridors near Edwards AFB
Other special supersonic corridors exist througout the United States. Unlike the HASSC, most of these are not part of any Restricted Area, Prohibited Area or MOA (Military Operating Area). An example is a corridor in northeastern New York state near Saranac Lake. While the military controls access to and grants permission to fly supersonically through the HASSC, these other corridors are instead controlled by the FAA.
However, you do raise an interesting question when you correctly point out that a sonic boom created by an aircraft operating at high enough altitude cannot be heard on the ground. Since "controlled airspace" only extends up to 60,000 ft (18,305 m), any pilot flying above that level could conceivably fly as fast as he wanted without risking noise pollution. But how many planes do we have that can reach 60,000+ feet? Not many. The SR-71, F-15, and F-22 are about the only publicly-acknowledged supersonic aircraft that could operate that high, and the SR-71 had to get special permission to fly across-country supersonically.
Nonetheless, there are special circumstances that do allow pilots to exceed Mach 1 over populated areas. US pilots are allowed to do so over South Korea due to the unique defense issues that nation faces. In addition, fighters performing combat air patrols over the US as part of Operation Noble Eagle in the wake of the September 11 terrorist attacks have broken the sound barrier on occassion to catch up to airliners during air-rage incidents. One such incident occurred over the suburbs of Chicago in October 2001 when two F-16 fighters intercepted an American Airlines flight from LA to Chicago after a passenger began threatening to crash the plane into the Sears Tower.
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/planes/q0060b.shtml
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Obviously Strip, you know enough to know that they actually have received a registration number. You should also know that registering and getting an airworthiness certificate for these exotics in this country is, what's are the best words to describe this.... strenuous at best. In my little ole opinion, those aircraft are going to require a hellacious amount of money to even get to that point with the FAA. Introduce new rules by the TSA, and all of a sudden, those aircraft aren't duch hot commodities any more.
Seriously, they haven't sold yet, and there were several big dogs in the biz that wanted them until the powers that be quietly told them, "No." That should tell you something.
The reason I say this, is owing to my involvement in an attempt to import an MiG-29 for a "big dog". I traveled to see and inspect, actually got to sit in it during an engine run up to prove it ran, I declined the flight check. The big dog actually got close to trying to bring ehr in, and that little voice came and said, "No, we'll let you bring it in, but it will not fly here."
I hope they can do it, but it is not very likely.
Just for what it is worth, Pride does specialize in Soviet block aircraft restoration. They seem to do fairly well at restoring and refurbish on jet trainers ( I forget which one) and selling to private sector, seems they would not take the risk of restoring a jet, and being stuck with it.
No I do not know all the ins and outs of the politics of FAA rulings, but I live close to Pride, and they roll quite a few russian birds through there.
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Well done, Zohan. Now take the time and "headache" to register a full auto machine gun or Short Barreled Rifle which is actually fairly painless and multiply it exponentially. You'll then be in the ballpark.
There are other factors at play as well but in the USA there are 5 N registered MiG 29s. 4 of them fly and provide services for the US Government. The other is registered to a museum.
Su-27s would be their own nightmares and since I haven't personally tried to import one and know only basics I'll defer to Bodhi, the expert in this instance, to answer if he would like.
There are major differences in flying vintage airplanes such as the MiG-15,17 and 21 compared to the various front line Soviet fighters of today. Same goes with trainers like the L-39/29. You can buy F5s, you can buy F-86s and T-33s with relative ease.
As time passes these things change.
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Well, that's what law firms are for: Untangling the red tape of government bureaucracy. If you can afford to buy and operate an Su-27 you can afford an army of attorneys to deal with the "headaches" and "nightmares" involved.
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Well done, Zohan. Now take the time and "headache" to register a full auto machine gun or Short Barreled Rifle which is actually fairly painless and multiply it exponentially. You'll then be in the ballpark.
There are other factors at play as well but in the USA there are 5 N registered MiG 29s. 4 of them fly and provide services for the US Government. The other is registered to a museum.
Su-27s would be their own nightmares and since I haven't personally tried to import one and know only basics I'll defer to Bodhi, the expert in this instance, to answer if he would like.
There are major differences in flying vintage airplanes such as the MiG-15,17 and 21 compared to the various front line Soviet fighters of today. Same goes with trainers like the L-39/29. You can buy F5s, you can buy F-86s and T-33s with relative ease.
As time passes these things change.
if i'm not mistaken, there is at least one L-19 flying in our area.......it used to be based at KVAY, but i had heard rumors of him running off the end of that runway. since then, he's moved it to millville......this is all from things i've heard. i did however see it in the air about 3 years ago at KVAY.
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Well, that's what law firms are for: Untangling the red tape of government bureaucracy. If you can afford to buy and operate an Su-27 you can afford an army of attorneys to deal with the "headaches" and "nightmares" involved.
So, how about explaining why the experts and those who want their own MiG-29 can't seem to get it done? I'd assume those with the means and desire (see Bodhi's example) don't succeed for a reason. By all means, act like a jerk, that will motivate people to help.
if i'm not mistaken, there is at least one L-19 flying in our area.......it used to be based at KVAY, but i had heard rumors of him running off the end of that runway. since then, he's moved it to millville......this is all from things i've heard. i did however see it in the air about 3 years ago at KVAY.
There are more than a few L-39s around as well. A buddy of mine flys one fairly regularly while another amigo is an IP in the 39. I'd still rather have a Gnat :)
Though I'd prefer the insurance bill for the Mustang not price me out of ownership. Only being able to own or operate, not both, isnt as fun.
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Act like a jerk?
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Golfer, your wasting your time man. These guys can cut and paste like no tomorrow. They "know" the rules. Fact remains that other than a couple of high end supersonic aircraft that received their airworthiness certs prior to 01, very few will ever see it with the exception of those doing DoD contract and demonstration work.
Hell, it is not like we spent a large sum of cash exploring the options of bringing both the MiG 29 and the Su 27 in before....
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Act like a jerk?
Damn you and your questions!!!
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There's SU-27 Flanker for sale here... Make that a Pair of them! :rock
http://www.prideaircraft.com/flanker.htm
(http://www.prideaircraft.com/images/Su27/Su27-Night-Ramp-800.jpg)
Full IFR, and afterburners to get you somewhere fast. Wonder if we could rent an in-flight refuel from the Air Force. LOL!
:salute
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Someone already posted this but I did notice something new.
The first aircraft, nose #31, was licensed by the FAA as N131SU on 2 December 2009.
Btw, its only a cool $4,950,000....
Edit: I doubt it would have a USAF compliant fuel couple/nozzle and supersonic flights over U.S. main land is a big no no.
Strip
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This again?
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Someone already posted this but I did notice something new.
Btw, its only a cool $4,950,000....
Edit: I doubt it would have a USAF compliant fuel couple/nozzle and supersonic flights over U.S. main land is a big no no.
Strip
They've had supersonic corridors over the US before. Doubt they'd do one for private, but if you can afford the jet, you can afford the beach house to stay at while you play with it over the water and can do whatever you want.
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If those engines are like past Russian ones they won't take many supersonic flights before they're due to change. Good luck finding a replacement engine or two after purchasing the flanker.
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Old news!
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Just kick the Ejection Seat before you buy it.
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They've had supersonic corridors over the US before.
There's one over my house that Lockheed uses. We get a stray sonic boom every now and then when conditions are right. Usually they are up too high to be heard on the ground.
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There's one over my house that Lockheed uses. We get a stray sonic boom every now and then when conditions are right. Usually they are up too high to be heard on the ground.
Oh wow, where is that? Just curious :x
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I've heard a couple sonic booms over my house in AZ. Don't know if there's a corridor or just some hotshot from Luke (Once an f-15 flew over doing some 400 mph at just 1000 ft. :O). Only heard two booms in six years of living here.
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Last sonic boom(s) I heard was on 9/11 at about 4:30pm. Two F-16s had just tanked and were busting the sound barrier to close up on AirForce 1 as it flew north of Indianapolis heading east.
I saw the Fighters, the AF1 bit was filled in by a guy I know in the Indy ATC tower.
Scared the crap out of the neighbors but it sure brought a sense of comfort to me.
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Scared the crap out of the neighbors but it sure brought a sense of comfort to me.
I know what you mean. Going to the state fair and seeing Apaches flying patrol is a bit alarming at first but it definitely gives you a sense of security.
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I've heard a couple sonic booms over my house in AZ. Don't know if there's a corridor or just some hotshot from Luke (Once an f-15 flew over doing some 400 mph at just 1000 ft. :O). Only heard two booms in six years of living here.
We live just close enough to Kennedy Space Center, that we get the double boom from the shuttle on re-entry, only when it goes to the space station. Watching cats, squirrels etc at that moment has its own particular form of entertainment value.
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We live just close enough to Kennedy Space Center, that we get the double boom from the shuttle on re-entry, only when it goes to the space station. Watching cats, squirrels etc at that moment has its own particular form of entertainment value.
We used to get single booms over in Tampa when I was growing up, and the Shuttle was making Florida landings.
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No thrust vectoring?
...Piece of junk... :D
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I've heard a couple sonic booms over my house in AZ. Don't know if there's a corridor or just some hotshot from Luke (Once an f-15 flew over doing some 400 mph at just 1000 ft. :O). Only heard two booms in six years of living here.
400 mph and 1000 ft? Must have been taking his time then ;) 540 kts (closer to 600mph) and 500 ft is the usual low alt profile with F-15Es, and our NATO allies fly as low as 100' in training.
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We live just close enough to Kennedy Space Center, that we get the double boom from the shuttle on re-entry, only when it goes to the space station. Watching cats, squirrels etc at that moment has its own particular form of entertainment value.
Where do you live Moray? I've heard them quite a few times at my grandma's house in Melbourne.
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Where do you live Moray? I've heard them quite a few times at my grandma's house in Melbourne.
Just south of Melbourne. Sebastian area.
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2 December 2009 - Flanker #31 made history today! After an extensive evaluation process, conducted by local FAA personnel, Flanker #31 was licensed by the FAA. It is now registered as N131SU, making it the first Su-27 Flanker ever to be licensed in the USA. First flights will follow shortly!
10 December 2009 -
FIRST FLIGHT! After much preparation and work, Flanker #31 (N131SU) became the first civilian-operated Su-27 Flanker in history. The aircraft blasted off Runway 25 at Rockford Airport (KRFD) after a takeoff roll of approximately 1100 feet, and climbed out of sight at a 30-degree angle. The pilots conducted a 40-minute long litany of systems checks, all of which were nominal, then returned for several low approaches and a graceful landing.
11 December 2009 - Flanker N131SU made two more flights, conducting a further series of comm/nav systems checks, touch-and-go landings and aerobatics. It has now logged 3.1 hours in the course of its three flights, with only very minor maintenance squawks. The pilots say it handles beautifully.
Good for them. Happy to see it flying.
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Very cool :aok
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2 December 2009 - Flanker #31 made history today! After an extensive evaluation process, conducted by local FAA personnel, Flanker #31 was licensed by the FAA. It is now registered as N131SU, making it the first Su-27 Flanker ever to be licensed in the USA. First flights will follow shortly!
10 December 2009 -
FIRST FLIGHT! After much preparation and work, Flanker #31 (N131SU) became the first civilian-operated Su-27 Flanker in history. The aircraft blasted off Runway 25 at Rockford Airport (KRFD) after a takeoff roll of approximately 1100 feet, and climbed out of sight at a 30-degree angle. The pilots conducted a 40-minute long litany of systems checks, all of which were nominal, then returned for several low approaches and a graceful landing.
11 December 2009 - Flanker N131SU made two more flights, conducting a further series of comm/nav systems checks, touch-and-go landings and aerobatics. It has now logged 3.1 hours in the course of its three flights, with only very minor maintenance squawks. The pilots say it handles beautifully.
Good for them. Happy to see it flying.
video of said flanker. :aok
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=SkywardMedia#p/u/0/d4lE6HcBPxw
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Someone already posted this but I did notice something new.
Btw, its only a cool $4,950,000....
Edit: I doubt it would have a USAF compliant fuel couple/nozzle and supersonic flights over U.S. main land is a big no no.
Strip
Actually Strip, as far as the refueling nozzle coupling, it is exactly the same. Also the ground power receptacle is the same and ground power requirements are also the same. There is a good reason for this. Just as most commercial airliners in the world use compatable refueling and ground power set ups.
I could tell you how I know this, but most here probably wouldn't believe it, and I'd probably have to kill you after anyway. <G>
cheers,
RTR
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More test flights today, watched for awhile from work. Airport is about a mile and a half away. Seems to be mostly touch and go's, fun to watch in flight, and LOUD! Just the way it should be :x
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More test flights today, watched for awhile from work. Airport is about a mile and a half away. Seems to be mostly touch and go's, fun to watch in flight, and LOUD! Just the way it should be :x
WHAT??!
and you didn't film it??!!
you.....you./...you.....SCHMUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you Need to film it.
otherwise, it'll be 30 lashes with a wet noodle........ :noid
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Yea! Film that Beast!
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More test flights the last couple days, maybe shaking down the 2nd plane? It is very cool to watch. Wish I had some film or pics, I will work on that next week