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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: sandwich on November 30, 2009, 10:29:02 PM
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Yes please. :aok
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Lol, why? Not satisfied with the quintessential JU-88?
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Lol, why?
Because it was a workhorse bomber? Because 6,500 were built? Because it saw combat from 1938-1945? Because it was one of the iconic German bombers of the Battle of Britain?
Because Germany only has 1 medium bomber in the current set? Because the Ju 88 is too fast for BoB scenarios? Because some of us would just like another German bomber to fly?
Maybe just because it's plain sexy?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-317-0043-17A%2C_Flugzeug_Heinkel_He_111.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-343-0694-21%2C_Belgien-Frankreich%2C_Flugzeug_Heinkel_He_111.jpg)
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Lol, why? Not satisfied with the quintessential JU-88?
You probably shouldn't have asked :lol
+1 for the millionth time
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Because it was a workhorse bomber? Because 6,500 were built? Because it saw combat from 1938-1945? Because it was one of the iconic German bombers of the Battle of Britain?
Because Germany only has 1 medium bomber in the current set? Because the Ju 88 is too fast for BoB scenarios? Because some of us would just like another German bomber to fly?
Maybe just because it's plain sexy?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-317-0043-17A%2C_Flugzeug_Heinkel_He_111.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-343-0694-21%2C_Belgien-Frankreich%2C_Flugzeug_Heinkel_He_111.jpg)
That matters not, Italy was pretty big on bombers, but they have none, and in all likelyness, they never will.
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That matters not, Italy was pretty big on bombers, but they have none, and in all likelyness, they never will.
Where did he ever mention Italy in that quote?
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Italy was pretty big on bombers,
Italy wasn't big on anything, and certainly not bombers.
but they have none, and in all likelyness, they never will.
I don't see why you would say that.
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Lol, why? Not satisfied with the quintessential JU-88?
LoL, wut?
You cant be serious, can you?
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LoL, wut?
You cant be serious, can you?
What you dont like the JU-88?
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The 88 is my favorite CV killer, but the He-111 has been on our wishlists for years.
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What you don't like the JU-88?
I do.
But it's not the He-111.
The 111 is THE quintessential German bomber.
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YES FOR LOVE OF BOB!! PLEASE!!!
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Add the Do17Z while your at it.
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+111 :aok
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Gets my vote - AYE.
:cool:
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Because it was a workhorse bomber? Because 6,500 were built? Because it saw combat from 1938-1945? Because it was one of the iconic German bombers of the Battle of Britain?
Because Germany only has 1 medium bomber in the current set? Because the Ju 88 is too fast for BoB scenarios? Because some of us would just like another German bomber to fly?
Maybe just because it's plain sexy?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-317-0043-17A%2C_Flugzeug_Heinkel_He_111.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-343-0694-21%2C_Belgien-Frankreich%2C_Flugzeug_Heinkel_He_111.jpg)
Bubi,dont hold back tell him what you realy think... :devil
:rofl :rofl :rofl
:salute
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I fully agree with the HE-111, or the Casa, but if they decide to add it, they do need to add a far forward CG as all german transports had a forward CG. That way the aircraft were balanced in flight. When the HE-111 and the Casa landed the pilots had to be very gentle on the breaks, otherwise they would end up on the nose. it is very embarrasing. I saw it happen at an Airshow one year. But my vote is YES for the HE-11 and CASA.
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+ 1 Bring the He-111, please.
Note: the Do-17 would be nice too... but we need the G4M more... and the SM-79, the Petlyakov and... better stop... :bolt:
Cheers,
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Motherland had a good post, until he said "it's plain sexy" -- after which he had a GREAT POST!
:salute
2adoc: I think casa's were postwar productions, like the S-199. The CASA 2.111 (as it was called) was also butt-ugly with those replacement engines....
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+1 till the end of time. The 111 is my favorite German Bomber. :aok
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+1 He-111 was like a 110 and a Ju88 in one the later versions had big cannons. :aok
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+ 1 Bring the He-111, please.
Note: the Do-17 would be nice too... but we need the G4M more... and the SM-79, the Petlyakov and... better stop... :bolt:
Cheers,
+1 :D
Note: The Dornier Do.217 would be more beneficial. ;)
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+1 :D
Note: The Dornier Do.217 would be more beneficial. ;)
I disagree...
AH's "must have!" list of level bombers:
He111H (nuff said)
G4M Betty bomber (nuff said)
G3M Nell bomber (early war Japanese bomber, front line bomber for the first year)
Ju188 (1943+ nuff said)
Ju88A-1 (BOB-era, slower, less power, 1 less gun, different length wingspan)
Vickers Wellington
Handley Page Halifax
The 217 doesn't really play "much" of a part compared to many others.
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The 217 doesn't really play "much" of a part compared to many others.
The Do 217 could be easily used in EW, MW and LW, as well as special events (Dieppe, Normandy, MTO (sinking of the Roma).
Don't forget that there are no really competitive axis buffs in LW, if you have a German Iron squad you have to stick to a very slow and almost defensless bomber.
:D
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217 wouldn't be EW. Wouldn't really do much in LW.
Hence Ju188 being on the list, for 1943+ LW bomber needs.
EDIT: actually, depending on version it would be EW. Still didn't do much IMO. Had a completely unmemorable war record... Wiped out in massive numbers with very little results most times after BOB. Flew many maritime convoy duties, many recon, many night fighte roles, but as a bomber (the original design) it wasn't as predominant as you might think.
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217 wouldn't be EW. Wouldn't really do much in LW.
Hence Ju188 being on the list, for 1943+ LW bomber needs.
Designed in 1937 and 1938, its design was refined and production began in 1940. It entered service in 1941 and by the beginning of 1942 was available in significant numbers.
It's also faster (by about 20 mph) and can carry more bombs (by about 2,000lbs) than the JU188.
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Design dates mean almost nothing.
You didn't see them flying around dropping bombs on much for a while. They dropped a lot of bombs on shipping, and deployed a number of guided bombs/glider bombs against various ships...
But as far as bombing goes, they really weren't seen lugging bombs to targets like the Ju88, Ju188, He111, etc....
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yes i would like to shoot it down with a hurri / spit 1
Other bombers that are needed TU-2 / G4M2.
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Design dates mean almost nothing.
You didn't see them flying around dropping bombs on much for a while. They dropped a lot of bombs on shipping, and deployed a number of guided bombs/glider bombs against various ships...
But as far as bombing goes, they really weren't seen lugging bombs to targets like the Ju88, Ju188, He111, etc....
Is this what you mean?
By the summer, 1940 the Luftwaffe had been using the Dornier Do 18, Heinkel He 115, Heinkel He 59, Heinkel He 111 and Junkers Ju 88 in maritime operations in the Baltic. At this point, the Ju 88 and He 111 equipped units were ordered to cease providing maritime support en masse. Instead, the Luftwaffe returned to the idea of the Do 217 and its floatplane version as a specialized naval attack aircraft. At the same time more plans were in place to produce extremely long-range aircraft (probably for operations deep in the Soviet Union). It is possible that the data sheet which Dornier gave the designation Do 217G was a part of that project. Unlike the Sea Stuka, floatplane, the G was to carry an MG 151 mounted in the nose and three MG 15s fitted for defence. The G was expected to reach 14,900 kilograms (33,000 lb). It was still designed for a crew of four and equipped with sprung floats which would allow the aircraft to land in rough open seas. The G could also carry the entire variation of the E-1 bomb load it could carry a load twice that of the Do P 85 aircraft. Unfortunately, the Do 217E-1s performance was favoured. Nevertheless, the Gs design features figured and influenced the E-4 which went into production as the aircraft that would become the backbone of the Luftwaffe's Battle of the Atlantic bomber fleet.
It also so service in nearly every front of the war. Some of the major battles/operations it was in are as follows:
Operation Barbarossa
Operation Barbarossa (German: Unternehmen Barbarossa) was the code name for Germany's invasion of the Soviet Union during World War II that began on 22 June 1941.
Dieppe raid
Battle of the Atlantic (1939–1945)
Operation Steinbock
Battle of Normandy
Battle of the Mediterranean
Operation Torch
Allied invasion of Sicily
Italian Campaign
And the Defense of the Reich
The Defence of the Reich is the name given to the strategic defensive aerial campaign fought by the German Luftwaffe over German occupied Europe and Nazi Germany itself during the Second World War. Its aim was to prevent the destruction of German military and civil industries by the Western Allies. The daylight and night air struggles over Germany during war involved thousands of aircraft, dozens of units, and hundreds of aerial engagements to counter the Allied strategic bombing campaign. The campaign was the longest sustained in the history of aerial warfare. Along with the Battle of the Atlantic it was the longest campaign during 1939-1945. The Luftwaffe's fighter force (Jagdwaffe), defended the airspace of German occupied territory against attack, first by RAF Bomber Command, and then Bomber Command and the United States Army Air Forces (USAAF) together.
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The CAF had both a Casa and a Heinkle and if you put both of them side by side it was hard to tell the difference, The apu jack was in a different place and the widows were a little different. They were real close though.
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The CAF had both a Casa and a Heinkle and if you put both of them side by side it was hard to tell the difference, The apu jack was in a different place and the widows were a little different. They were real close though.
You didn't notice the Merlins?
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That matters not, Italy was pretty big on bombers, but they have none, and in all likelyness, they never will.
You know this how??
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He-111 and the G4M would be great for several reason's. All for somthing else to shoot at :rock
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Trigger: see my previous post edit about it being EW (you're right on that), but the service record was sub-par for the most part.
Most of its career was spent as an aerial recon platform. A notable chunk of all made (1/3?) were night fighter variants. The rest did little other than anti-shipping duties (notably sinking an Italian battleship with guided bombs).
When they did carry bombs as a level bomber, it was infrequently and with heavy losses.
It's a footnote in the history of the war. Hardly worth including IMO, when far more representative planes fill its role (historically and in-game) so much better.
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You should read the history of KG2, which was one of the backbones of the LW bomber units in the West 40-44. It was almost exclusively equipped with Do 217s, and did use them only in a level bombing role. They keept attacking Britain even outside such well-known offensives like the Baedeker or Steinbock raids, even in single-plane daylight raids in 42/43.
Overall, it was far from being "infrequent" that the 217 carried out conventional bombing roles.
For example, in June 1943, 4 out of the 10 bomber Gruppen the "Angriffsführer England" had at his disposal were equipped with Do 217s.
It's no "footnote" and can fill a very important role in game - a more survivable mid/late war German bomber.
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The E was the first production model. All prior letters were pre-production prototypes and test models, etc.
217E-1: 94 built
E-2 185 built.
E-3 and E-4 combined: 258
E-5: anti shipping variant
K-1: special night bomber variant
K-2: anti shipping variant
K-3: anti shipping variant
M-1: special night bomber variant
M-11: anti shipping variant
All Js and Ns were night fighters, and there were a lot. 356 give or take.
Aside from the early 1940 E models, very few did any "normal bombing" (as defined by what Ju88s and Ju188s and He111s, and the like did). After early '41 it was almost a non-entity for bombing. It was a recon and anti-shipping platform, with a night fighter personality on the side.
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After early '41 it was almost a non-entity for bombing. It was a recon and anti-shipping platform, with a night fighter personality on the side.
This is simply not true.
You will have missed my edit above:
"For example, in June 1943, 4 out of the 10 bomber Gruppen the "Angriffsführer England" had at his disposal were equipped with Do 217s.". Just one example
The whole time from 41-44, Do 217 had provided a big part of the conventional bombers that attacked England more or less frequently.
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I'm also wondering why you didn't provide the numbers for the "special night bomber variants" K-1 and M-1. After all, it was no more "special" than the E series, which were also used mostly for night attacks - which had been dictated by circumstances.
Total built (bombers only):
E-1 94
E-2/E-4 629
K-1 220
M1- 438
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Yes please. :aok
1+ :cheers:
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+1 for the HE-111. Another plane to the German planeset would be great. And just how effective were the HE-111 in its night fighter role?
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Motherland, Most of the War birds have been modified to fit a different engine than they originally came with. So you cant go by that. For instance the A6m2 that the CAF rebuilt was not flown behind the Nakajima Sakae 31, it was flown behind the Pratt & Whittney 1830. We did have to do some mods to the Motor mount, and the cowling. Merlins and Allisons were at the time, easy to get, relativly speaking.
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Motherland, Most of the War birds have been modified to fit a different engine than they originally came with. So you cant go by that. For instance the A6m2 that the CAF rebuilt was not flown behind the Nakajima Sakae 31, it was flown behind the Pratt & Whittney 1830. We did have to do some mods to the Motor mount, and the cowling. Merlins and Allisons were at the time, easy to get, relativly speaking.
You generally (generally) won't find restored Luftwaffe birds with Merlins... just Spanish do-ups (like Buchons standing in for 109's or CASA 2.111's standing in for Heinkels). The CASA 2.111 (which never served in the war in the first place) was built at the factory with Merlins.
A lot of the reason for this I would imagine is simply because a Merlin installed on a German aircraft (or licensed production) is just hideous...
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Italy wasn't big on anything, and certainly not bombers.
I don't see why you would say that.
I think the only thing Italy was big on was retreat and surrender. :lol
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(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc74/Serene_One/FCPs/Pre-FabHe-111.gif)
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lol he said he wants it cuz the ju-88 is too fast :x
that aside +1 for he111
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moin
i want this version :aok
http://bp3.blogger.com/_CbwnjooteyI/SBX1q0h9NbI/AAAAAAAAKKc/n8bVczIEf48/s1600-h/17.jpg
cu
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moin
i want this version :aok
http://bp3.blogger.com/_CbwnjooteyI/SBX1q0h9NbI/AAAAAAAAKKc/n8bVczIEf48/s1600-h/17.jpg
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moin
why the he-111 treats always ends if i post something about the v 1 version :confused:
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moin
why the he-111 treats always ends if i post something about the v 1 version :confused:
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moin chris,
I guess they don´t understand that that is a pic of a He111 launching an V1. :devil
But I say +1 to this wish
Servus
Ike
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(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc74/Serene_One/FCPs/Pre-FabHe-111.gif)
Serenity...spell check is your friend. But that was pretty cool. :D
Surprised the HE-111 and Do-17z haven't been added to the lineup...they were significant to the German war effort....*sigh* would be nice but... :joystick:
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Serenity...spell check is your friend. But that was pretty cool. :D
Surprised the HE-111 and Do-17z haven't been added to the lineup...they were significant to the German war effort....*sigh* would be nice but... :joystick:
Bah, what did I misspell? :cry
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Bah, what did I misspell? :cry
Nothing huge...looks like the k in that font turns into a t.
site should have been cite
luftwaffe-addicts wouldn't be hyphenated, just 2 separate words.
Very cool though.
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Nothing huge...looks like the k in that font turns into a t.
site should have been cite
luftwaffe-addicts wouldn't be hyphenated, just 2 separate words.
Very cool though.
Thanks! If I can find the original, I will go back and edit it.
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moin
now i try again.....
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/Fieseler_Fi103_debajo_de_un_Heinkel_111.jpg/800px-Fieseler_Fi103_debajo_de_un_Heinkel_111.jpg)
hope you understand now what i mean :D
cu chris3
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Seeing how much user the HE-111 saw over the course of the whole war. I am surprised it is not already on the roster.
It should be added though. I see it as a beautiful plane and should be included in the game.
:airplane:
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+1
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I want t3h uber heinkel with the oversized rockets :D
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Mad Love for the Heinkel. +
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+ 10