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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Rich46yo on December 01, 2009, 11:05:41 AM
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I gotta admit Im surprised so many players still upp tanks in the game. Dont get me wrong, I kill tanks by the bucket, tho only with cannon. But now? More often then before. I see bomb****s upping bombers and traveling distances just to drop their ords on tanks at a GV base spawn in.
We have to shorten the icon distance to give the tanks a chance against these bombers flinging ords on them. If it is 1,500 now? then make it 1,000. That way the bomb flingers will be much more exposed to flak, dud bombs, and the tank guns themselves.
As it stands now the tanks dont have a chance against the bomb****s. Shortening the icon range is the fastest and easiest thing that can be done. :salute
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I gotta admit Im surprised so many players still upp tanks in the game. Dont get me wrong, I kill tanks by the bucket, tho only with cannon. But now? More often then before. I see bomb**** upping bombers and traveling distances just to drop their ords on tanks at a GV base spawn in.
We have to shorten the icon distance to give the tanks a chance against these bombers flinging ords on them. If it is 1,500 now? then make it 1,000. That way the bomb flingers will be much more exposed to flak, dud bombs, and the tank guns themselves.
As it stands now the tanks dont have a chance against the bomb****s.
I agree poor tankers seem to get bombed no matter where they go. I have an Idea! Just remove tank Icons! :x
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I spot most of my tanks without icons anyway.....
:aok
Still gonna bomb ya if choose to!
Strip
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I agree poor tankers seem to get bombed no matter where they go. I have an Idea! Just remove tank Icons! :x
Not a bad idea either. Those of us that gun tanks the old fashioned way are losing out with the current rules too. Manay times lately I line up a tank to place 2 to 4 Hurri-D rounds just perfect...and while 300 away? BOOM! There goes the tank from a 1,000lb bomb.
Its no wonder when they quit spawning in. How many times would you put up with that?
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The old "Change the game to the way that suits me best" plot.......classic.
:rofl
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I mean seriously....
You are giving someone grief for bombing a tank while your trying to gun it down?
You cant see how that is the least bit hypocritical?
Newsflash....if you can see a ground vehicle with your Hurricane they can see it, regardless of icons.
No icons just means youll both have a harder go at it, if only slightly.
Strip
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You are giving someone grief for bombing a tank while your trying to gun it down?
You cant see how that is the least bit hypocritical?
Not in the slightest. Any moron can drop a bomb on a tank from a heavy bomber.
Actually the point I was making is that the rules are skewed against the tanks no matter how one kills them. Getting rid of the icons would make things more fair. It would make killing them "my way" harder too, but Im OK with that. Try it for a month in a MA and I bet it would work out fine.
Newsflash....I spot most of my tanks without icons anyway
All 4 of them? Or thereabouts? :lol
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Really? A good tank driver can make anything but a Lancstuka look foolish.
The Lancstuka (and its brothers) take care of that all by their self....
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Not in the slightest. Any moron can drop a bomb on a tank from a heavy bomber.
Actually the point I was making is that the rules are skewed against the tanks no matter how one kills them. Getting rid of the icons would make things more fair. It would make killing them "my way" harder too, but Im OK with that. Try it for a month in a MA and I bet it would work out fine.
Newsflash.... All 4 of them? Or thereabouts? :lol
yeahhh great idea... and on the flip side make it impossible for tanks to attack towns and bases. Since some tankers want their own war. Or better yet find a tank game.... wow what an idea.
:aok
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while I rarely ever carry bombs at all... I believe tanks are there for one reason, targets for airplanes :devil
In all honesty, I do believe the tanks are there mroe for "flavor" than anything else. This is, and will be, primarily a flight sim/game.
(again my opinion, not necissarily right, nor wrong, jsut my thoughts)
BTW forgive my horrid typing, passin another kidney stone, so I am good and doped up on percocets.
Sol
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BTW forgive my horrid typing, passin another kidney stone, so I am good and doped up on percocets.
Sol
OOOOwwwww sorry to hear that. Hope all comes out OK.
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OOOOwwwww sorry to hear that. Hope all comes out OK.
It will.. unfortunately i've had them before. Used to eat rolaids like candy for heartburn, before I got put on Protonix. Not making any NEW sotnes thank god, but the ones I have, still have to pass.... and they are "too small" to do anything about. Ugh... I would hate to see what a BIG one does....
Sol
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while I rarely ever carry bombs at all... I believe tanks are there for one reason, targets for airplanes :devil
Sol
WHAT!!!! :huh I thought everything in this game was a target :x :aok
I admit it, I like the OP idea, but it just does not seem to be feasable IMO. Though it would be fun to try it at..... say the same range you see icons GV to GV :devil
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I spot most of my tanks without icons anyway.....
:aok
Still gonna bomb ya if choose to!
Strip
+1
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I never understood why they never restricted heavy bombers to f6 mode and or angle limits consistent to their real life counterparts. It's one of the most gaming the game type things that take away from believability. What other part of the game is more x-box than exterior mode take off and suicide dropping your full load at low level?
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I like to tank, hate to be bombed, love to bomb, it is a revolving circle.
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I never understood why they never restricted heavy bombers to f6 mode and or angle limits consistent to their real life counterparts. It's one of the most gaming the game type things that take away from believability. What other part of the game is more x-box than exterior mode take off and suicide dropping your full load at low level?
I have been saying for 5 or 6 years heavy bombers should be restricted to only dropping from F6 view......good luck with that.
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Whilst tanking tanks cannot see other tank icons, therefore ariplanes should have the same disadvantage when facing ground verhicles.
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I have been saying for 5 or 6 years heavy bombers should be restricted to only dropping from F6 view......good luck with that.
I concur, this is the best solution.
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The great circle of the spawn battle!
Tank1 shoots Tank2
Tank2 get bombs (2 sectors away if needed) and bombs Tank1
Tank1 ups a Wirblewind and shoots Tank2 down
Tank2 ups a tank and shoot Tank1
Tank1 ups a tank and shot Tank2
PS I agree with Lynx too
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Whilst tanking tanks cannot see other tank icons, therefore ariplanes should have the same disadvantage when facing ground verhicles.
why should planes have the same visible disadvantages that tanks have? It's a given fact that planes have better visibility and can spot things easier from the sky than what a tanker could spot on the ground. Even with icons at a reduced range won't stop the ability of planes being able to spot a GV in from the air beyond icon range. There is nothing wrong game wise or historically accurate with the ability of planes being able to spot GVs as easy as they do.
ack-ack
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Airplanes have icons so friendly fire doesn't occur, airplanes don't need icons for enemy gv because they argent going to collide with them. There's no reason as to why airplanes need enemy tank icons. Yes airplanes can spot gv's without an icon, but why give them any advantages?
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Airplanes have icons so friendly fire doesn't occur, airplanes don't need icons for enemy gv because they argent going to collide with them. There's no reason as to why airplanes need enemy tank icons. Yes airplanes can spot gv's without an icon, but why give them any advantages?
Is it really that much of an advantage to the pilot if he's already spotted you from well outside of icon range?
ack-ack
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REMEMBER take notes. read properly. AKAK does not gv. he is a noob when it comes to gvs :salute oh and anything you say can and will be used against your word according to akak law, oh and AKAK wins no matter what your a loser we all are AKAK winner!! :salute
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REMEMBER take notes. read properly. AKAK does not gv. he is a noob when it comes to gvs :salute oh and anything you say can and will be used against your word according to akak law, oh and AKAK wins no matter what your a loser we all are AKAK winner!! :salute
:huh
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Actually the point I was making is that the rules are skewed against the tanks no matter how one kills them. Getting rid of the icons would make things more fair. It would make killing them "my way" harder too, but Im OK with that. Try it for a month in a MA and I bet it would work out fine.
The rules aren't skewed against the tanks. I'd bet the ratio of planes killing tanks to tanks killing planes is lower than in the war.
It's been pointed out here before that the main thing skewed against tanks compared to the real world is that planes are free and their numbers unlimited. In WW2 dollars a Sherman cost about $35k, a P-51D around $50k, and a B-17 in the ballpark of $250k - and on top of that there's the much higher cost and time to train pilots as opposed to tank drivers, and the relative difficulty of ramping up production. In the game all of them cost exactly the same thing, a few minutes of a player's time. All of that meant there were fewer planes relative to GVs and they were generally used more conservatively. (There's also doctrine - if the Brits had had 5,000 Lancs and the Germans no effective AAA there still wouldn't have been any circling over battlefields looking for tanks to kill because Harris would have had every last one bombing cities.)
I do hate to see Lancstukas. I'm all for bombing only in f6, or getting rid of f3 in flight altogether. Bombing in general should be more difficult, and I say that as someone who flies buffs a fair amount.
As for icons, I imaine they have as much to do with the inherent limitations of monitors as they do with friendly fire. Otherwise why do they show plane type? You can zoom a GV view in to ID just about anything within gun range, but in a plane your vision is much less distinct than IRL.
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REMEMBER take notes. read properly. AKAK does not gv. he is a noob when it comes to gvs :salute oh and anything you say can and will be used against your word according to akak law, oh and AKAK wins no matter what your a loser we all are AKAK winner!! :salute
I'm sorry but two very relevant facts stand out here...
#1. There are only two types of planes, fighters and targets
#2. If your in a tank your not in the 1st
So if you elect to play in the mud you are nothing but a target to a guy in the clouds. This is simply the natural order of things....
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Airplanes have icons so friendly fire doesn't occur, airplanes don't need icons for enemy gv because they argent going to collide with them. There's no reason as to why airplanes need enemy tank icons. Yes airplanes can spot gv's without an icon, but why give them any advantages?
Probably because they are in the air and have the advantage to start with.
Maybe HT could setup a gv only arena.
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Though of a great idea..... EW has few players. Bet the GV'ers could get a good battle going in there.
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Umm... What happens to tanks when the enemy has air superiority? Oh yeah that's right, they get bombed. That's why all major tank conflicts occurred in WW2 when there was weather preventing the allied use of air superiority.
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its not about superiority it's about planes don't need the icons to begin with.
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That's why all major tank conflicts occurred in WW2 when there was weather preventing the allied use of air superiority.
Didn't know there was bad weather at Kursk... ;)
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Didn't know there was bad weather at Kursk... ;)
Well, no one ever accussed Hitler of being smart.
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its not about superiority it's about planes don't need the icons to begin with.
As long as GV's don't Get to see AC icons.
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As long as GV's don't Get to see AC icons.
I'd take that trade!
Whilst the motives of the original post may be suspect
IMO it would be neat if
Gv icons were totally obscurred at least when they were under cover. I would be happy if they kicked up more dust when on the move. or if they could "dig in" below obscuring camo nets provided this delayed subsequent return to motion.
When choosing "bomber" Bombing could only occur in F6 after a delay of 1 sec in the bomb aimer seat.
When choosing "attack" formations are disabled but pilot may bomb.
Some ac become "attack" only (Il2, A20, D3a) etc
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I'd take that trade!
Whilst the motives of the original post may be suspect
IMO it would be neat if
Gv icons were totally obscurred at least when they were under cover. I would be happy if they kicked up more dust when on the move. or if they could "dig in" below obscuring camo nets provided this delayed subsequent return to motion.
When choosing "bomber" Bombing could only occur in F6 after a delay of 1 sec in the bomb aimer seat.
When choosing "attack" formations are disabled but pilot may bomb.
Some ac become "attack" only (Il2, A20, D3a) etc
What you're saying makes sense, but the spawn camping potential will get abused if they were "dug in".
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REMEMBER take notes. read properly. AKAK does not gv. he is a noob when it comes to gvs :salute oh and anything you say can and will be used against your word according to akak law, oh and AKAK wins no matter what your a loser we all are AKAK winner!! :salute
Actually my little ankle humping eskimo friend, I've played this game for about 8 years longer than you have and in that time, I've probably spent more time in GVs than you've had in the time you've been playing. I just find that portion of the game no longer holds my interest and the main reason I started playing flight sims was for the flying aspects of the game. Which by the way, is another area where I excel far more better than you'll ever hope to fair in.
ack-ack
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:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Well, no one ever accussed Hitler of being smart.
Yup, he should have started that battle in the autumn, when the weather is bad... and all the mud makes tank battles impossible anyway :lol
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My experience has been those who bomb GV's typically wont do supply runs. So kill the ord! On some of the TT maps it will be the first thing I will do :aok
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To Rich, you upping a hurri2d to strafe tanks isn't anymore dweeby than me upping an IL2 to ho fighters. And if anyone wants to ho my sherman in a fighter you 're more than welcome. :angel:
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:huh you go :airplane: :joystick: :O BOOOOOOM :mad: last time we met in the air
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What you're saying makes sense, but the spawn camping potential will get abused if they were "dug in".
Agreed it would be neat if an additional solution was found to spawn camping................
Re Kursk and Hitlers folly?
Blitzkrieg re quired close air support of attacking ground units as well as air support attritting local logistics and communications. The standard Whermacht operandi required good weather!
Read Battle of France, Barbarossa, Various Battles leading upto Stalingrad, Kursk and plenty of others on the Allies side once the importance of combined air and ground assault was taken to the level that the Germans ahd developed in 1940.
It's Bulge which is the exception. The LW is decimated and there is a last ditch hope to cut thru the Ardennes forest, break out thru the Belgium plain and achieve Antwerp to cut Montgomery off in Holland. The fog was a bonus.
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To Rich, you upping a hurri2d to strafe tanks isn't anymore dweeby than me upping an IL2 to ho fighters. And if anyone wants to ho my sherman in a fighter you 're more than welcome. :angel:
I dont "strafe" tanks in Hurri-Ds. I precisely place 2 to 4 rounds into the weak top armor, wheel around, and if needed shoot another 2, "again from point blank". I bet I use fewer cannon rounds to kill tanks then other tanks use to kill tanks. The Hurri only carrys 30 rounds so you can no more "strafe" then they did in real life.
Glad we cleared that up. I dont even "strafe" in IL2s.
Funny but most times I see B-24s or Lancs working tanks they also shoot their MG package at the tank too. Now thats strafing. :lol
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Re Kursk and Hitlers folly?
Blitzkrieg re quired close air support of attacking ground units as well as air support attritting local logistics and communications. The standard Whermacht operandi required good weather!
The folly was (among other things) in imagining he still had air superiority.
Where and when the Luftwaffe was able to achieve local superiority, the Soviet tankers paid dearly.
The Allies should have awarded Goering a WW2 Victory Medal, before sentencing him to hang. If Hitler had learned after September 1940 not to listen to a word the fat man said, the war might have come out differently, or at least taken longer and been harder and more costly for the Allies.