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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Wolfala on December 22, 2009, 01:56:10 PM
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20091222/ts_nm/us_iraq_pregnancy;_ylt=As6miAXG1nwhQ2H7GBL4Pa1v24cA;_ylu=X3oDMTM2NWJoMTQyBGFzc2V0A25tLzIwMDkxMjIyL3VzX2lyYXFfcHJlZ25hbmN5BGNjb2RlA21vc3Rwb3B1bGFyBGNwb3MDNgRwb3MDNgRzZWMDeW5fdG9wX3N0b3JpZXMEc2xrA3VzbWlsaXRhcnljbw--
About diddlying time they got this one right.
BAGHDAD (Reuters) – The U.S. military commander in northern Iraq defended on Tuesday a new policy imposing strict penalties, including possible jail time, for troops who become pregnant or get other soldiers pregnant.
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I think it's a good idea, like he said, he needs every solider he can get, and when someones actions take them out of the fight there has to be consequences.
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Gonna be a war between women's groups and the ultra conservatives over this one. Anyone got the popcorn?
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Pfft the women's rights groups don't have a leg to stand on. Military personnel have to follow a different set of rules than civilians. I see no problem with this kind of thing as there have been a bunch of stories of female soldiers getting pregnant so they won't be deployed. That's almost as bad as the love muffines that say they aren't going because they enlisted for the college money not to go to war.
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I knew females who got preggers to get out of a Korean deployment. This is nothing new. When you are in the service Uncle Sam owns your butt. Getting preggers to get out of deployment is no different than shooting yourself in the foot to get out of deployment. Yet another reason why women should only be in rear support roles.
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Seems to me that the U.S. military commanders are encouraging abortions.
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They are encouraging people to take precautions or heaven forbid to not have sex.
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Seems to me that the U.S. military commanders are encouraging abortions.
How do you figure?
Seems to me they are discouraging pregnancy during deployment. If you get pregnant, you're busted whether you get an abortion or not.
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If you get pregnant, you're busted whether you get an abortion or not.
No one will notice for the first trimester.
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Wh not mandate the pill on deployment or ship?
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Seems to me that the U.S. military commanders are encouraging abortions.
That was my first thought too, which could be dangerous when they are deployed in third world countries.
You will never be able to stop young enlisted personal from hooking up and no protection is 100%.
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Here in Canada, women are allowed to get pregnant while enlisted. I just googled it.
To all the hot American soldier girls: come fight for Canada!
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BAGHDAD (Reuters) – The U.S. military commander in northern Iraq defended on Tuesday a new policy imposing strict penalties, including possible jail time, for troops who become pregnant or get other soldiers pregnant.
Sounds fair to me, so long as it's always two that are punished, and not one.
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Whats worrying me most is that, if you're really worried about the female part of the force getting preggers -> your recruitment rates can't be that great!
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He needs every soldier he can get his hands on.
Making the pill mandatory (i.e. women take it at roll call), would greatly decrease the odds of them getting pregnant. On the other hand, it could alienate the soldiers from their leaders, decreasing their morale.
It's a slider:
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Freedom Sureness of Contraception
Right now, we have moved the slider over to the right a few notches. But I must agree, both should do time for the crime of taking a soldier from the war. This practice is nothing new for integrated armies. Unless you wish that the general lose some troops on account of "Freedom", this measure must go through.
Perhaps, one could instead allow sex in the service; but force soldiers to use contraception in order to get the best of both worlds. On the other hand, cheating could get really big, really fast.
-Penguin
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Abstain. Seems simple enough.
Can't find the link, but so far 7 soldiers (I think it was 7) in Iraq have been repremanded. $ men and 3 women. All the repremands but one are not permanent on their records. The single permanent repremand is for a married male who impregnated a subordinate. Fraternization.
wrongway
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"I see absolutely no circumstance where I would punish a female soldier by court martial for a violation ... I fully intend to handle these cases through lesser disciplinary action," he wrote, according to the ABC report.
So the men would get sent to jail and who knows what else, but the women get the easy street treat? Now what were you saying about women being equal to men?
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"I see absolutely no circumstance where I would punish a female soldier by court martial for a violation ... I fully intend to handle these cases through lesser disciplinary action," he wrote, according to the ABC report.
So the men would get sent to jail and who knows what else, but the women get the easy street treat? Now what were you saying about women being equal to men?
No. I see nothing but equity so far. Link to the article (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34524436/ns/us_news-military/?GT1=43001).
One pregnant soldier refused to divulge the father and the matter was dropped.
Edit: reread. My quote is missing the "female" "I have never considered court-martial for this, I do not ever see myself putting a soldier in jail for this," said Cucolo, who oversees U.S. forces in northern Iraq.
Why is that? :noid
wrongway
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I'll donate the first box of pocket rockets and cockerspaniel pockets to boot. :devil
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BBBOOOIINNNGGGG!!!!
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There have been several female soldier that have gotten pregnant so they won't have to deploy. Makes you wonder why they even volunteered in the first place.
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Cuz' shootin at em thingz wit dose big gunz is chil yo!
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Reminds me of when General Mundy enacted rules preventing the recruitment of married Marines back in the '90s. Divorce rates were sky-high and creating some serious morale and personnel problems during deployments. Well, a great idea suffered a very quick and public death from the administration at the time. I suspect this will too, for the same reasons.
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It isn't designed to stop them from having sex, its to prevent them from getting pregnant while on deployment in a war zone and subsequently losing another soldier.
Seen this many times myself, have even heard a female sailor specifically say that would be her intent to get out of a deployment by timing her pregnancy to correspond with it.
There is nothing woman's rights groups will be able to spin out of this one, PC is not an issue. Commitment by our military is ever demanding and expected, to circumvent that is detrimental to all the others that serve.
Here in Canada, women are allowed to get pregnant while enlisted. I just googled it.
To all the hot American soldier girls: come fight for Canada!
They can in America as well, just not in a war zone or timed to get out of a deployment.
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I knew females who got preggers to get out of a Korean deployment. This is nothing new. When you are in the service Uncle Sam owns your butt. Getting preggers to get out of deployment is no different than shooting yourself in the foot to get out of deployment. Yet another reason why women should only be in rear support roles.
See...if there was more rear support, this wouldnt be an issue.
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See...if there was more rear support, this wouldnt be an issue.
:rofl
with rear support guaranteed no pregnancy.... :D
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Here in Canada, women are allowed to get pregnant while enlisted. I just googled it.
To all the hot American soldier girls: come fight for Canada!
Hot girl soldiers? Anyway ...
The military has it right this time. As posted earlier, the US military has different rules that the civilian world. There are many common conditions in the military that would qualify as cruel and unusual punishment if applied to criminals.
Women get a certain level of preferential treatment. Ten of us were deploying to Desert Sheild/Storm. I was a Flight Commander with the rank of Captain. There was one female Sr. Airman. Nine of us slept on cots in a converted TV lounge. She got a private room. Women complicate things in the military.
To all of you Army and Marine guys sleeping in the open, a cot was practically a hardship tour for us Air Force guys. :salute
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Air Forces idea of field conditions is either a room with a tv that gets cable and has a remote but no AC, or a room with AC and cable but no remote to the tv. Got these from my father 20 year retired MSgt.