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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: hitech on January 08, 2010, 10:35:05 AM
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1. HTC takes hacking extremely seriously. Any form of hacking can damage our business.
2. HTC Bans anyone caught hacking.
3. HTC Has in the past and may again in the future pursue criminal or civil prosecution of hackers.
4. The rumoring of hacking is just as detrimental to our business as people who actually do the hacking. We have in the past and may again block the people propagating the rumors.
5. HTC Will never state what we do for detection, all this would do is give people who wish to try more information.
6. Speaking about hacking on this board servers no purpose for players or HTC, it only both damages peoples fun in the game and our business.
7. HTC Has never stated that it had not been nor could be hacked. We simply state any discussion of the topic of hacking will not be tolerated.
8. HTC Has 15 years of experience in dealing with hacking of online games. You do not stay in business by ignoring a critical issue like this.
9. Because the rumor of hacking is also so detrimental we also may ban people simply for speaking about it because it can hurt our business.
10. As always if you believe some one is hacking, film and send to HTC, we look at every film of this type the same day we receive it.
11. We do not publicly or privately talk about the outcome of hacking reports.
I am leaving this topic open but if you are going to post I would suggest you tread very lightly
We ask your help in this matter of squashing & not partaking in the RUMORS that come from occurrences like this.
Dale Addink
CEO HiTech Creations.
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Eloquently put Dale.
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nuff said. :O
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Amen! <S> all of you at HTC for you hard work making this a great game to play.
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mornin,
not trying to tell you how to run your business.......just offering a suggestion.......
i perfectly well understand why you don't want this subject talked about here.
what i would think, though, is that when something like this comes up, possibly a post of XXX was caught attempting to hack this game, and has been banned. along with this, all of their information has been turned over to the appropriate authorities for prosecution.
nothing about how they tried, or how they were caught....just their name(public shaming can be a powerful weapon in the fight against this), and that they WILL be prosecuted for this.
if people are seeing that you mean business, they're more likely to move on i think...and with absolutely nothing here concerning this, they can't see that.
again, not trying to tell you how to run your business, but rather offering a suggestion.
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mornin,
not trying to tell you how to run your business.......just offering a suggestion.......
i perfectly well understand why you don't want this subject talked about here.
what i would think, though, is that when something like this comes up, possibly a post of XXX was caught attempting to hack this game, and has been banned. along with this, all of their information has been turned over to the appropriate authorities for prosecution.
nothing about how they tried, or how they were caught....just their name(public shaming can be a powerful weapon in the fight against this), and that they WILL be prosecuted for this.
if people are seeing that you mean business, they're more likely to move on i think...and with absolutely nothing here concerning this, they can't see that.
again, not trying to tell you how to run your business, but rather offering a suggestion.
See # 11.
To do other wise would do nothing but , Would only fuel more rumors and accusation, and also because a possible repercussion against HTC in the case we were wrong.
HiTech
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it would be great to name banned ppl!
hang the cheaters virtuel on th bbs, they are destroying the fun to play
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See # 11.
To do other wise would do nothing but , Would only fuel more rumors and accusation, and also because a possible repercussion against HTC in the case we were wrong.
HiTech
point taken...i wasn't thinking quite that far ahead.
john
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mornin,
not trying to tell you how to run your business.......just offering a suggestion.......
i perfectly well understand why you don't want this subject talked about here.
what i would think, though, is that when something like this comes up, possibly a post of XXX was caught attempting to hack this game, and has been banned. along with this, all of their information has been turned over to the appropriate authorities for prosecution.
nothing about how they tried, or how they were caught....just their name(public shaming can be a powerful weapon in the fight against this), and that they WILL be prosecuted for this.
if people are seeing that you mean business, they're more likely to move on i think...and with absolutely nothing here concerning this, they can't see that.
again, not trying to tell you how to run your business, but rather offering a suggestion.
Cap1 postin gonline id wouldn't do anything. like guys who lose vox or always causeing trouble they change names. and i'm sure posting a persons name doesn't do anything since everyone is behind computer screen.
2nd like everyone posting some accouse people of hacking i get it once a week.
but I too thought i caught guy hacking. was sure i had with film on ,he was invisable killing me and i could not see him at all. game didn't show name in film but i got message XXXXX killed u. And it was a bug on a new map he did nothing wrong. I had to come back boards and apologize for bellybutton U ME ing.
they handle things right with out saying what they have done. And I know this personally. seen them act i didn't need to be told they did this or that.......
pm me i'll give you example and then i'm sure you wouldn't cast doubt what they are doing.
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Well said and Thanks..... I think that puts the nay sayers to rest.
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Those Companies that want damage HTC want that you costumers Talk about that make you unsure.
Give them Hell we dont care about those Boring People we have Fun by Playing AH
I never saw someone do a Tiger woods in AH
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Thank you Hitech and the rest of HTC for addressing this, I know you take this very seriously.
I do have a question / comment about #11, I understand your reasoning and position on not talking about it publicly, but I can see a couple of benefits to addressing it privately. This may all ready be done and I apologize if this is how you handle it currently, but I think the community would feel better if they knew they would get a private response for handling this appropriately.
For example, if someone sends a film in that they suspect someone of cheating and hear nothing back, they may feel it's not been looked at or addressed. This might lead to more suspicion and increase the likely hood of complaining about it on the boards.
However, if that person get a response back like;
A.)This is being addressed, Thank you.
or
B.)After reviewing the film nothing was found to be wrong.
Providing that kind of private response would go a long way to improving the confidence of the person who sent it in.
Again, Thank you all at HTC for providing a great game and a fun community to be part of.
<S> Baumer
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Dale thanks for your post :salute No other game Ive ever played has such a good player/company involvement, that's why this game is as long enduring as it is.
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I did a little wet work for the "Company" during the storm in 1991. I would be happy to offer my services to HTC for a small fee. :noid :rofl But seriously now would be the perfect time to release the WW1 arena as it would give us school girls something else to blabber about.
HT you have a great game and IMHO #1 to #11 make perfect sense to me. :salute
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Should be made a sticky, at least for a while.
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In with Alamo on the wet work. All of mine still classified though. :noid
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Personally, I think the people that continuously say the C or H word, in-game, should be warned once and than banned as well.
Without mention any names......... Last night the same person went on and on about it.
"There's no way you could have killed me" "you must be _______" " I cant do it so you must be ________"
For a good half hour............
How many 2 weeker's were on last night?
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Should be made a sticky, at least for a while.
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Ive seen a hand full of people that need to read this. They like throwing the H and C words around like its nothing.
Sticky this not only for a bit, but for good :aok
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These policies and professional attitude are a major reason I love this game. Of course the game itself and the folks who play are a part of that as well but it is the efforts to reduce or eliminate cheating that I truly appreciate. Day in and day out I know I can come and play without dealing with hordes of script kiddies using 'godmode'. Keep up the excellent work HTC it is greatly appreciated.
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Squash em.Squash em good. <S> HTC
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:salute love to see u on this issue so fast
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Thx you HT. Not sure if you guys have this but for every new account made, you guys should have what you posted above as a grim reminder to all. Especially this, "3. HTC Has in the past and may again in the future pursue criminal or civil prosecution of hackers."
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Sometimes, because of some problems here, I donīt play AH for a long time.
But, I still pay my subscription, because of the way HTC treats us, customers, like no one else. We can say thank you, etc, but the best way to show appreciation is paying the $14.95. :aok
I also pay happily because of the way HTC handles hacking, exploiting, etc if itīs a map or plane bug they fix it. If itīs hacking, well... all know what happens... :old: :furious
WTG! :salute
Mutley
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i don't see that or anything as being undetectable.....
that said, regardless of how they deal with the current issue, i'm glad for being able to be part of this community, and for the game that we all get to play. :aok
Roger that. I didn't mean for that to be interpereted as accusatory, sorry if it came across that way. I merely thought it may be worth looking at as well. Like I said, I know nothing about programing puters.
That said, I really enjoy what HTC has done, enjoy every minute flying (even when frustrated getting my arse kicked). I continually call out the whiners who think "this or that feature is stupid, etc." because what they have done here is amazing to me and I am just greatful t be able to participate.
SEsaber
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mornin,
not trying to tell you how to run your business.......just offering a suggestion.......
i perfectly well understand why you don't want this subject talked about here.
what i would think, though, is that when something like this comes up, possibly a post of XXX was caught attempting to hack this game, and has been banned. along with this, all of their information has been turned over to the appropriate authorities for prosecution.
nothing about how they tried, or how they were caught....just their name(public shaming can be a powerful weapon in the fight against this), and that they WILL be prosecuted for this.
if people are seeing that you mean business, they're more likely to move on i think...and with absolutely nothing here concerning this, they can't see that.
again, not trying to tell you how to run your business, but rather offering a suggestion.
Generally they tell on themselves.
Hitech, I have always felt you and your crew have done an admirable job. Sometimes when I see something that is questionable I always feel assured that the situation will be addressed. That is what I have seen in my 9 years of AH.
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I havent been around very long but I love the game and the people in it. Cheaters are inevitable, but IMHO they are very few and far between here. You have the guys that pull off moves or shots that leave you thinking how in the hell did he do that!?! Again IMHO is that its like everything else there are a very few naturals that are just damn good. There are a few that work and train and become good. (I hope to fall into this catagory some day.) And then there are the rest of us used as cannon fodder! Dont let the few bad seeds ruin the game for guys. :salute
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In with Alamo on the wet work. All of mine still classified though. :noid
Ever been bit by a scorpion ?
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Stuff posted by Brocks
There is something about threads like that is reminiscent of telling a 3 year-old not to touch a hot stove.
<S>
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:salute HT
Draggon better reel his head in because he couldn't quite handle mine and drbone's ownage the other day.
I don't mind being called a cheat or PM vox ranted in private, I have a little fun with it but spouting that BS on 200 will only make the other less informed players suspect that our awesome skills are down to the H word rather than bothering to learn ACM and how to shoot straight. :rolleyes:
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I pay $14.95 a month along with everyone eals. I am please with he service that HT provides in all areas from tech support to new AC and skins. Hackers and cheaters ruins the game and make it less fun to play.
HiTch, skuzzy and the rest of the HT creations crew, Thanks for all the hard work you guys are doing to keep this game enjoyable and, if all possible, hack/cheat free. Keep up the good work. :salute
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Ever been bit by a scorpion ?
:rofl
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Generally they tell on themselves.
Hitech, I have always felt you and your crew have done an admirable job. Sometimes when I see something that is questionable I always feel assured that the situation will be addressed. That is what I have seen in my 9 years of AH.
+1
it's why even when times are rough....and for me right now, i'm barley paying my bills.......i get rid of other expenses before i'm willing to give up this game. :aok
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HiTch, skuzzy and the rest of the HT creations crew, Thanks for all the hard work you guys are doing to keep this game enjoyable and, if all possible, hack/cheat free. Keep up the good work. :salute
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oh yeah, its not just a good game its the most addictive game I've played!!.... can't....Stop....must...play....A H......
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I've been playing this game for almost ten years now and never run into someone I thought was hacking. Yet judging by Ch 200 some people seem to run into them all the time... :rolleyes: I've been accused of this often enough to suspect that 99% of these hackusations are just ointment for bruised egos.
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I've been playing this game for almost ten years now and never run into someone I thought was hacking. Yet judging by Ch 200 some people seem to run into them all the time... :rolleyes: I've been accused of this often enough to suspect that 99% of these hackusations are just ointment for bruised egos.
Being called a hacker is the greatest compliment possible. It means that you are good enough that what you do seems impossible to those of the closed mind.
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Missed it. I always miss the drama...
The overall hack-free status of AHII is why it is a top shelf game.
<S> HTC - hang em all!
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Does Hitech really want us to send in videos aksing them to check this crud out?
Or do they monitor the game to the point that we dont need to worry about it?
i sent in a video and I never got a reply..so i sent a second email still nothing. So im thinking it cant be that big of a deal.
<S>
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Personally, I think the people that continuously say the C or H word, in-game, should be warned once and than banned as well.
Without mention any names......... Last night the same person went on and on about it.
:salute HT
Draggon better reel his head in because he couldn't quite handle mine and drbone's ownage the other day.
I don't mind being called a cheat or PM vox ranted in private, I have a little fun with it but spouting that BS on 200 will only make the other less informed players suspect that our awesome skills are down to the H word rather than bothering to learn ACM and how to shoot straight. :rolleyes:
"There's no way you could have killed me" "you must be _______" " I cant do it so you must be ________"
For a good half hour............
How many 2 weeker's were on last night?
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8000 people send in videos all the time. It usually takes about 2-4 weeks to get a response, sit tight and know they are working hard to address your question.
Does Hitech really want us to send in videos aksing them to check this crud out?
Or do they monitor the game to the point that we dont need to worry about it?
i sent in a video and I never got a reply..so i sent a second email still nothing. So im thinking it cant be that big of a deal.
<S>
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Ever been bit by a scorpion ?
Ever seen a grown man naked?
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Word has a way of getting around about people (ask Syko lol), and when that one guy saying so-and-so cheated becomes thrity people saying so-and-so cheated, then the community polices itself.
99.999% of the time, the one accusing the other of cheating is just doing so because they can't come to terms with their level of suckage. You, along with a few others, have accused me of cheating in the past because you couldn't understand how I was able to easily outmaneuver you in your better performing plane in my big 'ol fat assed P-38. Heck, just the night before this all happened, I had Eaglfart and Pluto swear up and down on Channel 200 that I was the biggest cheater in AH because they couldn't understand how I was able to out turn their Hurricane on the deck.
ack-ack
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I actually asked this in another thread that in turn got locked.. HT, any way the mods can get the "ground" command like CMs, to be used just for instances like these? Just curious...
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HTC office needs to be resupplied with one or both of the following:
(http://pics.drugstore.com/prodimg/85196/200.jpg) (http://images.businessweek.com/ss/06/10/makers_mark/image/14.jpg)
Thanks for all the work you do. :aok
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Wow if they ban guys for calling you a cheat or hack or shady mid war going to be boring to me with few people short. without thier stupidity i't will become just a flying sim.
I wear those accussations as badge of honor. Mean i'm really good at what I do. I need that reinforcement in my old age.
Maybe this banning of people calling someone a cheat or hack or shady player should be the log on message for a week.?
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did i type something wrong?
BTW,........did ya find your sig yet? :D
nevermind....i saw.........sorry bout that.
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Being called a hacker is the greatest compliment possible. It means that you are good enough that what you do seems impossible to those of the closed mind.
+1 :aok
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HTC office needs to be resupplied with one or both of the following:
(http://pics.drugstore.com/prodimg/85196/200.jpg) (http://images.businessweek.com/ss/06/10/makers_mark/image/14.jpg)
Thanks for all the work you do. :aok
I hereby authorize HTC to use my credit card details to supply themselves with these items.
:cheers:
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Ever been bit by a scorpion ?
No but I do fly f-16s for the CIA. :D :bolt:
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See, HTC pwns the haxxors. no need to get you know all up in a bunch.....K..... :salute
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See, HTC pwns the haxxors. no need to get you know all up in a bunch.....K..... :salute
ub3R h4xx0rz pwnz4g3 :aok
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did i type something wrong?
BTW,........did ya find your sig yet? :D
nevermind....i saw.........sorry bout that.
No, we quoted SESaber.
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No but I do fly f-16s for the CIA. :D :bolt:
(http://img3.ak.crunchyroll.com/i/spire2/8f968b405dd1b2d96d92cae0e87af2bf1244345094_full.jpg)
:D :cheers:
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8000 people send in videos all the time. It usually takes about 2-4 weeks to get a response, sit tight and know they are working hard to address your question.
thats my point.. Im happy to help if i can... but it has to get to the point where some are just getting in the way. Look as far as im concerned HTC has it under control.
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:D :cheers:
Man, what would you do with all that. Thinking :bolt:
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Man, what would you do with all that. Thinking :bolt:
No phatzo the real question is what wouldn't you do with all that :rock :lol
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i was wondering how long it would take before ADD kicked in and this thread got hijacked :rolleyes:
once again, TY HTC for popping these tards :aok
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I don't know how far the moderators can go, maybe they need more power to eject players, even close the server, not only suspend them from chat.I never seen this before , but could go unnoticed if stooped in first 5 min, not after long hours.Was like a public restaurant with 100s of clients trashed by 2 drunks until they got tired , and the media arrived at the scene before security and police.
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I've been playing this game for almost ten years now and never run into someone I thought was hacking. Yet judging by Ch 200 some people seem to run into them all the time... :rolleyes: I've been accused of this often enough to suspect that 99% of these hackusations are just ointment for bruised egos.
I took your wing off one day, well I think half or a little more (Caught you looking up). I know that plane, now what plane is that, oh yeah F6. :rofl And I knew you would land it. Anyway I'm sure some newbs would think they should have had a kill and something wasn't right. However a good (great) pilot could land that plane missing most of the wing. One of the mistakes I made once was thinking a plane couldn't do what I saw it doing. So I sent in a film of it. Then doh!, I took the plane for a test run. Yep it could. (different plane than the f6).
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Does Hitech really want us to send in videos aksing them to check this crud out?
Or do they monitor the game to the point that we dont need to worry about it?
i sent in a video and I never got a reply..so i sent a second email still nothing. So im thinking it cant be that big of a deal.
<S>
I sent a reply to every player who I got a film from.
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I know things, but am morally and ethically bound to not divulge or otherwise disseminate the information. :noid
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Oh yeah, :aok for HTC's commitment to keep the game fun and honest. :salute
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6. Speaking about hacking on this board servers no purpose for players or HTC, it only both damages peoples fun in the game and our business.
Sorry... I didn't know we weren't supposed to post stuff on the boards, but now I know and I'll make sure it won't happen again!
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I sent a reply to every player who I got a film from.
and he's still replying to all the emails sent last night.... I bet his hands hurt :)
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The Fuhrer has spoken, the hacks have been shot, don't EVER mention it again and in the future don't talk about it either!
Perfect, I know I am satisfied!
BTW, your game got hacked last night.
Cameron Kehm aka diver8up
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The Fuhrer has spoken, the hacks have been shot, don't EVER mention it again and in the future don't talk about it either!
Perfect, I know I am satisfied!
BTW, your game got hacked last night.
Cameron Kehm aka diver8up
At the risk of having this post skuzzified, I will go on the record and say that you're a world class idiot and twit.
ack-ack
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The Fuhrer has spoken, the hacks have been shot, don't EVER mention it again and in the future don't talk about it either!
Perfect, I know I am satisfied!
BTW, your game got hacked last night.
Cameron Kehm aka diver8up
:O
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At the risk of having this post skuzzified, I will go on the record and say that you're a world class idiot and twit.
ack-ack
you should've added a BUH BY!!
'cause it seems he's taunting an angry dog..........which is generally a bad idea.
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AKAK :rofl :aok
It amazes me how many times people have to be told the same thing over and over. How can you not know when it's in the rules:
7- Cheating allegations or descriptions are not allowed. Email support@hitechcreations.com to report any issues regarding this. HTC permanently bans anyone caught cheating in Aces High. We take cheating and allegations of cheating very seriously.
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you should've added a BUH BY!!
'cause it seems he's taunting an angry dog..........which is generally a bad idea.
lol guess he missed the part where HT said "tread lightly".
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HTC office needs to be resupplied with one or both of the following:
(http://pics.drugstore.com/prodimg/85196/200.jpg) (http://images.businessweek.com/ss/06/10/makers_mark/image/14.jpg)
Thanks for all the work you do. :aok
The preferred tasty adult beverage of choice is single malt scotch.
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At the risk of having this post skuzzified, I will go on the record and say that you're a world class idiot and twit.
ack-ack
You should just put that in your sig and when needed you could just say "see below"
Might save you some time typing and also save server space. It seems to be needed alot.
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Are we supposed to be scared of Dale? Tread Lightly is a big FU to everyone out there who has a conscern about this very topic. The man said it can't be done, period! And now comes back to us and slaps us in the face for reporting it and posting it.
If he chooses to ban me because I speak my mind then so be it, but I am not going to hid or cower in the shadows.
I put my name on it!
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Are we supposed to be scared of Dale? Tread Lightly is a big FU to everyone out there who has a conscern about this very topic. The man said it can't be done, period! And now comes back to us and slaps us in the face for reporting it and posting it.
If he chooses to ban me because I speak my mind then so be it, but I am not going to hid or cower in the shadows.
I put my name on it!
Wow, you truly do have mental disabilities don't you. AKAK had it right....
At the risk of having this post skuzzified, I will go on the record and say that you're a world class idiot and twit.
ack-ack
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No Banshee, I am not a coward!
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Are we supposed to be scared of Dale? Tread Lightly is a big FU to everyone out there who has a conscern about this very topic. The man said it can't be done, period! And now comes back to us and slaps us in the face for reporting it and posting it.
If he chooses to ban me because I speak my mind then so be it, but I am not going to hid or cower in the shadows.
I put my name on it!
Obviously you can't read & can't think. I've certainly had my issues from time to time but this was a very straight forward attempt to clearly communicate a carefully thought out policy in a clear, concise and polite (for Dale) manner. As they say don't let the swinging appendage hit you in the posterior :bolt:
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Are we supposed to be scared of Dale? Tread Lightly is a big FU to everyone out there who has a conscern about this very topic. The man said it can't be done, period! And now comes back to us and slaps us in the face for reporting it and posting it.
If he chooses to ban me because I speak my mind then so be it, but I am not going to hid or cower in the shadows.
I put my name on it!
aparently you have trouble reading.....or you did not read the Original Thread Starting post by hitech......
go re-read #7........... then you should apologize for being stupid....... if you don't get banned from the boards 1st
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No Banshee, I am not a coward!
but he is gone :D
As stated, nothing is impossible, but PUBLICLY posting this info does nothing but hurt the game, and the company. I'm happy with how HTC handles this stuff and how they manage the game and systems. :aok
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nvm I like reading this forum.
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Are we supposed to be scared of Dale? Tread Lightly is a big FU to everyone out there who has a conscern about this very topic. The man said it can't be done, period! And now comes back to us and slaps us in the face for reporting it and posting it.
If he chooses to ban me because I speak my mind then so be it, but I am not going to hid or cower in the shadows.
I put my name on it!
Are you that simple, that you can not comprehend the point of HTs reasoning behind starting this post? You're basically shooting yourself in the foot, over an attempt to have an "in your face" moment with HTC, which you are clearly going to lose.
All I can say is enjoy your vacation.
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Are we supposed to be scared of Dale? Tread Lightly is a big FU to everyone out there who has a conscern about this very topic. The man said it can't be done, period! And now comes back to us and slaps us in the face for reporting it and posting it.
If he chooses to ban me because I speak my mind then so be it, but I am not going to hid or cower in the shadows.
I put my name on it!
I dont recall him ever saying it cant be done. Especially considering a similar hack from yesterday has been done in the past as well as other hacks. I don't think any programmer could say they cant be hacked. they can only say you will be caught and dealt with.
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No Banshee, I am not a coward!
Na na na na. Na na na na! Hey! Hey! Hey! GOODBYE!
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Don't let this turn into a flame fest of diver.
HiTech
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Oops....sorry :D
AS you were saying....
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Wow just wow!!
The game owner comes here at tells us all how it is and players still have to poke the sleeping bear.
I'm amazed almost every day by things I read in these forums. :headscratch:
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I'm amazed almost every day by things I read in these forums. :headscratch:
Ya know, even though you see all the negative things everyday, everywhere you go, it's nice to know that there are STILL good people out there. There's quite a few here in this community. :aok
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Absolutely Banshee :aok
Thats 1 of the reason I keep reading the forums!
:salute
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Are we supposed to be scared of Dale? Tread Lightly is a big FU to everyone out there who has a conscern about this very topic. The man said it can't be done, period! And now comes back to us and slaps us in the face for reporting it and posting it.
If he chooses to ban me because I speak my mind then so be it, but I am not going to hid or cower in the shadows.
I put my name on it!
WOW......
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mornin,
not trying to tell you how to run your business.......just offering a suggestion.......
i perfectly well understand why you don't want this subject talked about here.
what i would think, though, is that when something like this comes up, possibly a post of XXX was caught attempting to hack this game, and has been banned. along with this, all of their information has been turned over to the appropriate authorities for prosecution.
nothing about how they tried, or how they were caught....just their name(public shaming can be a powerful weapon in the fight against this), and that they WILL be prosecuted for this.
if people are seeing that you mean business, they're more likely to move on i think...and with absolutely nothing here concerning this, they can't see that.
again, not trying to tell you how to run your business, but rather offering a suggestion.
cap1 if they broadcast the names most hackers take this as the attention they need or crave sorta like a trophy
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cap1 if they broadcast the names most hackers take this as the attention they need or crave sorta like a trophy
nowTHAT was a side of that that i didn't think of.
hhmm......that made me think...i think that i said that too many times.....but that's ok.....
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Diver could have stated things in a different manner even thou what he was saying WAS fact :bolt:. This issue has been on going,. :furious..swaying back and forth, to and fro for years :old: Even though the post changes every time this happens (whether IT can happen or NOT) HTC takes care of things and all is well. :cheers:
Mods cant be everywhere and the player that sees indications of foul play, can record to help HTC rid the game jag-offs :rolleyes: that feel the need the ruin the game for all. Any how ya slice it,playing AH :joystick: and going down in flames is much better than getting hit by WIFE ACK :O and suffering the same fate :cry :salute fellow AH'ers lets keep the integrity of the game intact.
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Wow just wow!!
The game owner comes here at tells us all how it is and players still have to poke the sleeping bear.
I'm amazed almost every day by things I read in these forums. :headscratch:
:salute
It just goes to show that out of a million sperm, sometimes it's the stupidest one that hits the mark.
ack-ack
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If I were reading this thread as an outsider it would look like the game is hacked everyday.
To bad in three years I have not seen one instance where I suspected foul play.
Strip
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I've always liked HTC's policies and responces to any and all H&C accusations. It makes their products top-shelf amongst games that score and rank players against each other since the integrity of the product represent the integrity of a fair and even playing field.
Deleted Almost banned
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Oh C'mon, on the subject of ugly-immature-mud-slinging-fests that can tarnish and damage a business's image (and are better off being dealt with via moderation and administrative actions). Just do it! *bribes HiTech with beer and bacon*
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Diver could have stated things in a different manner even thou what he was saying WAS fact
Nothing he said was fact and was nothing more than a limp wristed slap at HiTech and the rest at HTC.
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No Banshee, I am not a coward!
A fearless fool falls on his sword. Lolz :D
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A fearless fool falls on his sword. Lolz :D
Speaking your mind is never foolish.
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A fearless fool falls on his sword. Lolz :D
:rofl :rofl :aok
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our now png pal confused bravery with stupidity in my opinion.
strip makes a valid point.
i think i signed up in 2004? or 05? either way, i've never personally seen anything really bad. occasional warps here and there, but that's on the players end.
i used to love air warrior....and when i found out about this, i did the 2 week trial thingie....but was hoooked on the first flight.
this is by far the absolute best game/sim/air combat thingie out there. it has the best community, flight modeling, etc.
just sayin................
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I sent a reply to every player who I got a film from.
Absolutely true! :aok i sent one and got a reply, i was and am still a very satisfied customer!
Thanks for a very fun and sometimes very taxing, but ultimately satisfying game! i have not seen another that can do what this one does to either me or the players around me, and have met some very nice people while playing , as well as a few @$#----,, well some others! :aok
WWhiskey
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Speaking your mind is never foolish.
Well this case just proved that statement wrong.. sometimes you just need to know when to hold your tongue, or at least think about what you're trying to say before you start typing.
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Speaking your mind is never foolish.
There is speaking your mind and then there is just being plain stupid.
I'm sure there were much better ways for him, or anyone to voice their concerns.
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+1
it's why even when times are rough....and for me right now, i'm barley paying my bills.......i get rid of other expenses before i'm willing to give up this game. :aok
Amen to that.
Word for word
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It could have been written a little more tactfully. And maybe this wasn't the right moment for it. He got what was promised though
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Technically, in your example, I believe that would be the speaking of a dumb mind, no?
There is speaking your mind and then there is just being plain stupid.
I think it's fine time to start wondering how this INcredible thread will end...... :salute
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Speaking your mind is never foolish.
You must live in a strange strange world...
As evidence I present the following situation...
Six months ago, a man's wife had a baby. She has had difficulty losing the "baby" weight that she had gained. Before going out for their first "post baby" dinner out as a couple she asks him, "Do I look fat?"
The wise man will answer how?
A) He'll lie, "No dear, you look better then ever!"
or
B) He'll speak his mind, "Yes dear, you're definitely getting fat."
Which of those answers is "foolish"?
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When we play this game and throw smack around we tend to forget that what we are doing is flying the blood and sweat of HTC. This is what puts food on their tables and therapy for Skuzzy after having to deal with tards on a daily basis. This is their life so any threat is dealt with accordingly.
Like many of you I have been flying computer sims since AW was on AOL and this is the first time I have seen first hand a hack being used in any flying sim. Unlike some online games I believe hacks/exploits are the exceptions instead of the rule here. This is one of the reasons AH is still here and thriving besides being the best flying sim. I wouldn't stick around if I had to deal with a bunch of hacks no matter how good the game was and I'm sure that holds true for most of you.
I do have to say that watching the whole community band together last night was nice except for the incessant accusations being tossed around by a few.
At the risk of being banned I do have to name one hacker and his name is..........GRIZZ!!! Cause he's always shooting me down!!! DAMN YOU GRIZZ AND YOUR 262 FROM HELL!! <shakes fist in air> :D :D jk One of these days grizz,one of these days...I might last more then five seconds :airplane: /hijack
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i know diver can't see this....but here's a pretty good piece of advice.
if you would hesitate to say what you're thinking to the persons face....then it's more than likely a good idea to not put it up here. :aok
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i know diver can't see this....but here's a pretty good piece of advice.
I think once PNG'd you can still view the board, just not post.
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You must live in a strange strange world...
As evidence I present the following situation...
Six months ago, a man's wife had a baby. She has had difficulty losing the "baby" weight that she had gained. Before going out for their first "post baby" dinner out as a couple she asks him, "Do I look fat?"
The wise man will answer how?
A) He'll lie, "No dear, you look better then ever!"
or
B) He'll speak his mind, "Yes dear, you're definitely getting fat."
Which of those answers is "foolish"?
depends on the amount of beer consumed? courtesy and speaking your mind can go together. we should all try it most of the time.
yesterday was one of the best nights i have had in ah. no worrying about taking fields or rtb's since most fields/cv i took off from were destroyed/captured. just pure hardcore horde on horde fiting at its best. :rock. like I said online yesterday You should let no one ruin your fun :airplane: :joystick: I am begining to think that we should wish for one night were no fields can be taken just pure airplane on airplane or gv on gv fiting :pray. no eggs. no rockets no buffs, no 999 :rofl
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What irked me was when they started posting URL's to their hacking website on Country channel and 200(IIRC). At that point they needed to be chat muted. I tried to organize a mass .report on the two guys but I'm not sure it worked because they were still yapping away about their website and youtube. That should have been dealt with quicker and more effectively imo. How many .reports does it take to chat mute somebody that is in blatant need of it?
If this post is not appropriate for this thread, I apologize.
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I think once PNG'd you can still view the board, just not post.
Not from my experience you can't :rofl
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Speaking your mind is never foolish.
Perhaps...but it all boils down to tact and common sense. Tossing a "FU" along with a few other insults at the person who took the time to address this issue doesn't add up to anything. My reaction would have been the same.
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I think once PNG'd you can still view the board, just not post.
Not from your IP address you can't. I speak from experience.
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Would I be pushing it for saying "Like sand through the hourglass, these are the days of our lives" :D
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Not from your IP address you can't. I speak from experience.
Not from my experience you can't :rofl
The man's not lying!
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IN! Why not... <S> HTC :aok :bolt:
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Would I be pushing it for saying "Like sand through the hourglass, these are the days of our lives" :D
more like meatloaf through a straw
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more like meatloaf through a straw
With 9 pages in 9 hours you might be right.
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What irked me was when they started posting URL's to their hacking website on Country channel and 200(IIRC). At that point they needed to be chat muted. I tried to organize a mass .report on the two guys but I'm not sure it worked because they were still yapping away about their website and youtube. That should have been dealt with quicker and more effectively imo. How many .reports does it take to chat mute somebody that is in blatant need of it?
If this post is not appropriate for this thread, I apologize.
Yep. Everyone on our Channel Grizz, reported both.
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I've been playing AH for almost 4yrs. ANYTIME I have every had a concern, whether it be PC, skinning, exploit, warping, or bug issue they have been top notch at responding. As a community we should be so thankful to have customer service like we have from HTC. In my 29 yrs on planet earth, I have never seen such great support for the customers.
I like many others are in hard times right now with losses in the job markets, ill family members, divorces or whatever it may be. I have and will continue to make sacrifices to keep my AH subscription going. The customer service is outstanding and is really what makes AH shine. And to be honest, in some of my darkest times in RL, I know I can escape for a bit in the animated skies of AH, a place where let my troubles float on by and enjoy sometime with people who have a common interest as myself.
I take great pride in saluting the general community that I fly with and against, the creators, tech support, office support team at HTC for a great product, and speedy reactions to any concerns that arise. Your work is appreciated by many.
The only thing I wish is HTC made it a monthly habit to keep the community informed on whats going inside HTC. The early previews and even simple text is always a welcome suprise.
-Copr aka 5.0 aka Nathan
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Well, what those guys did was lame. Even the hack itself was lame. But, hey, big WTG to the community for making it a success. Had you guys left it alone, HT would come in in the morning, ban them, fix the security hole and the whole thing would have been a big nothing. But noooooooo lol, every one had to run around like chickens with their heads cut off. Really, if it happens again just ignore them. Attention is what they wanted and attention si what you gave them. NOt every single person online needs to tell them that they will be reported, band, that you are running film, that you will email HT, etc lol. My guess is that they knew that :lol Just leave it alone and its a fail. React like last night and you give them what they want. And unless you are working for HT and have power to do something about it, stop trying to make a citizens arrest :aok
Just report them quietly and avoid them next time.
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Should be made a sticky, at least for a while.
QFT
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Wow, just wow. I know Diver, I like Diver. He's one of the most standup guys that play the game. Did he meltdown? Without a doubt. Did he have a good reason? Without a doubt. Was it a smart move? That's for Diver to decide.
Personally, I think both could have handled this better.
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Wow, just wow. I know Diver, I like Diver. He's one of the most standup guys that play the game. Did he meltdown? Without a doubt. Did he have a good reason? Without a doubt. Was it a smart move? That's for Diver to decide.
Personally, I think both could have handled this better.
I've been around Diver through the game for a few years, and I know him enough in real life to be certain he is a stand-up guy. We all screw up, and as long was we admit it, we're better off. <<S>> Diver8up.
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I could be mistaken, but from looking at the avatar line, I am going to assume (based on the fact that there is only 7 posts associated with diver8up) that diver8up, is NOT the Diver8up we are accustomed to seeing in game. If I had to make a leap of assumption, I would guess that the diver8up you just read from, is likely to be the hacker-dude trying one more step to discredit or slander someone else while at the same time insulting Skuzzy and Pyro. I don't know the 'real' diver, but I know he has been around long enough to have more than 7 posts.
I think we just read from a 'new' BBS account using a name from the game we are used to seeing. This is a sad and lame attempt by an idiot to 'get even' with someone who probably spanked him or insulted him (by winning) in game.
But that is just my educated guess (otherwise known as opinion).
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I could be mistaken, but from looking at the avatar line, I am going to assume (based on the fact that there is only 7 posts associated with diver8up) that diver8up, is NOT the Diver8up we are accustomed to seeing in game. If I had to make a leap of assumption, I would guess that the diver8up you just read from, is likely to be the hacker-dude trying one more step to discredit or slander someone else while at the same time insulting Skuzzy and Pyro. I don't know the 'real' diver, but I know he has been around long enough to have more than 7 posts.
I think we just read from a 'new' BBS account using a name from the game we are used to seeing. This is a sad and lame attempt by an idiot to 'get even' with someone who probably spanked him or insulted him (by winning) in game.
But that is just my educated guess (otherwise known as opinion).
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I have to correct you, NC. This is the genuine Diver-dude. I know this for fact.
When things cool down, I would highly suggest both Diver & Dale reconsider their stance.
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I think it is pretty obvious Diver was taking this game way too seriously. If he could melt down and go off on Hitech, I can imagine what he could do in the MA to someone he doesn't have to worry about.
I think the AH vacation may do him a lot of good, I'm also willing to believe he will be back eventually.
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If he could melt down and go off on Hitech, I can imagine what he could do in the MA to someone he doesn't have to worry about.
I've been around him, and he has yet to prove that behavior. No evidence in game has surfaced that I have seen.
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I think it is pretty obvious Diver was taking this game way too seriously. If he could melt down and go off on Hitech, I can imagine what he could do in the MA to someone he doesn't have to worry about.
I think the AH vacation may do him a lot of good, I'm also willing to believe he will be back eventually.
Agree.
Thunderegg, he was going over the top on 200 Thursday Night at times. Those two threads never should have been started, all of us know this. Both players aren't "new" and know the manner in which HTC handles those "incidents".
I believe Diver will be given a 2nd chance, just let him cool off, relax and come back with a clear mind. Diver was an excellent person to have chatted with while I winged the BoP's. His esprit de corps was always excellent.
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I have to correct you, NC. This is the genuine Diver-dude. I know this for fact.
When things cool down, I would highly suggest both Diver & Dale reconsider their stance.
:salute My apologies. I stand corrected. Like I said, I don't know him personally, but that sort of rhetoric was not something I expected from such a long standing player. I have gone back and re-read the thread several times, and I don't understand why he (or anyone) would take the thread so personally, nor respond with such a direct personal attack. :headscratch:
I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I was apparently incorrect. I hope that cooler heads will soon prevail. :salute
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Well, what those guys did was lame. Even the hack itself was lame. But, hey, big WTG to the community for making it a success. Had you guys left it alone, HT would come in in the morning, ban them, fix the security hole and the whole thing would have been a big nothing. But noooooooo lol, every one had to run around like chickens with their heads cut off. Really, if it happens again just ignore them. Attention is what they wanted and attention si what you gave them. NOt every single person online needs to tell them that they will be reported, band, that you are running film, that you will email HT, etc lol. My guess is that they knew that :lol Just leave it alone and its a fail. React like last night and you give them what they want. And unless you are working for HT and have power to do something about it, stop trying to make a citizens arrest :aok
Just report them quietly and avoid them next time.
I wont mention names but someone actually wanted players to move from the area where they had been fighting for awhile because the hackers were there and they were "taking advantage of their hacking". The guys hacking were probably laughing at all these people telling them they were reporting them.
Grizz said they were advertising or something on channel, I didnt see it but why didnt the guy get text banned right away? I have heard of mods in game, is there truth to this? If there are maybe a boost in their numbers should possibly help with dealing with situations like this...just a thought :salute
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Not from my experience you can't :rofl
Thats because you're not very smart. ;)
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Yeah the 'report to moderator' button would be handy if the mod had a power to put an account on temporary suspension (kick/temp ban) on strong suspicion of foul play. Maybe ban is too harsh tool for a mod but kick + ability to instantly contact HTC might do the trick. Several kicks if necessary to keep them out and HTC could deal with them further.
Naturally the problem with this is that power corrupts and I can see cases where a mod would kick someone after losing a fair fight. That's why every kick should be monitored and taped later to be reviewed by someone at HTC (non-valid kick = immediate loss of mod privilege).
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I just would have liked to see the reaction of HT and the staff after they came in office in the morning and discovered their work had been "scratched" by a no-life hacktard again. Why this? because I felt myself like someone had stolen my money or, more in general, offended me, or just like when some idiot use their keys on your new car... (not to open it).. and I'm not even working for HTC.
That kind of people should only be beaten all day long not only with their own keyboard - too light - but with the piles of hacking and pron magazines they hide underneath their bed - indeed heavier stuff -
just my .02
take 'em HT! :banana:
<S>
chewi
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Grizz said they were advertising or something on channel, I didnt see it but why didnt the guy get text banned right away? I have heard of mods in game, is there truth to this? If there are maybe a boost in their numbers should possibly help with dealing with situations like this...just a thought :salute
First of all the person who was text banned was NOT advertising. Sorry Griz, you got it wrong. Instead of flying over there to see it (why waste the time?) he looked it up on youtube. Someone asked for the link, he posted it. Everyone was spamming the chat about the godforsaken hackers that it scrolled up to quickly so he posted it again along with saying "if you see this happening report it". Which then resulted in a witch hunt and the mass reporting to which he got text banned. I know this because the person who got banned is my wingman, and I was on VOX with him the whole time. The whole situation could have been over and done with if someone had just said "It would violate the EULA" in the BEGINNING of the mess instead of flaming the guy, pissing him off, then telling him. For those of you who know this person, you also know he's a RL pilot. That being said, he did just get back from a tiring flight and was about to log of when this mess happened.
Hacking games happens. Always has, always will. They crave attention anytime they put on such a blatant display as they did last night. Screaming at them, telling them you're going to report them, that you're filming them and such just fuels their ego. When it happens, film it, send it to HTC and let it be done. Watching the chat last night (or night before, sorry it's 4 am here) was like getting the play by play from a squeaker and just as annoying.
I understand that this is a close community. Everyone seems to know everyone. That was one of the factors that decided wether or not I was going to pay for the subscription. To those that led the witch hunt, well done, Mission accomplished, you succeeded in doing absolutely nothing. Kudos to you.
If you feel that you have to flame this post, go right on ahead, here's a Zippo. Wake me when you're done playing Neighborhood Watch. That's my 2 cents, I'm going to bed. To the rest, see ya in the skies.
-MadHat
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First of all the person who was text banned was NOT advertising. Sorry Griz, you got it wrong.
No I didn't. The two were posting the URL to their hack website on country channel. I was there for the beginning of this thing and was observing it from the runway and tower on knight side. I quickly lost interest though and left for the DA for a couple hours. As for the rest of your post, I have no clue what you are talking about because I was only there for the first 30 minutes or so. They were posting links on knights country channel without a doubt. I'm sure Karaya and Betty saw it, they were right there paying attention too.
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MadHat im sure your wingman can get that figured out easily enough just by asking skuzzy to review the films he has been sent. Honestly I dont know how anyone saw anything on the text buffer especially if they tune 200.....people throwing out threats left and right towards the hackers(like they care :noid) .
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No I didn't. The two were posting the URL to their hack website on country channel. I was there for the beginning of this thing and was observing it from the runway and tower on knight side. I quickly lost interest though and left for the DA for a couple hours. As for the rest of your post, I have no clue what you are talking about because I was only there for the first 30 minutes or so. They were posting links on knights country channel without a doubt. I'm sure Karaya and Betty saw it, they were right there paying attention too.
yes grizz, we all seen it, and also, i know myself along with others .reported them so they could no longer advertise their crap on there, it would have only gave the people that dont want to learn the game the way it should be to do something stupid likes these morons did the night before last.
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I have to correct you, NC. This is the genuine Diver-dude. I know this for fact.
When things cool down, I would highly suggest both Diver & Dale reconsider their stance.
hitech has nothing to reconsider....he is trying to protect his business.....his livelihood........and continue giving us a great game to play.
although diver may be a cool dude, he picked the wrong way to go about it. if anyone needs to reconsider a stance, it is him, and him alone.
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hopefully, the dudes in the office are still reading this thread.
i do believe, that if you guys contact youtube, they will remove any of these videos that show this...i could be wrong though.
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HT even deletes his own posts for violating the rules - now thats thorough :D
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hitech has nothing to reconsider....he is trying to protect his business.....his livelihood........and continue giving us a great game to play.
although diver may be a cool dude, he picked the wrong way to go about it. if anyone needs to reconsider a stance, it is him, and him alone.
I think the reconsider part is about Dive being banned for life. Yes Dive screwed up in the worst way! Ya just don't poke a pissed-off just awakened bear in the eye and expect to get away unscathed. The really bad thing is that the only winners in this whole deal is those tards that pulled this crap. They got their 15 minutes of fame and we got a pissed off game designer/developer and lost a good friend to some of us in the process. Don't get me wrong, I am not supporting the way Dive blew up and letting his frustrations override his usually fun-loving disposition. I have been flying with Dive for years and can honestly state that this incident is not representative of how he usually acts. I sincerely hope that Dale can show some mercy in the near future.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
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I think the reconsider part is about Dive being banned for life. Yes Dive screwed up in the worst way! Ya just don't poke a pissed-off just awakened bear in the eye and expect to get away unscathed. The really bad thing is that the only winners in this whole deal is those tards that pulled this crap. They got their 15 minutes of fame and we got a pissed off game designer/developer and lost a good friend to some of us in the process. Don't get me wrong, I am not supporting the way Dive blew up and letting his frustrations override his usually fun-loving disposition. I have been flying with Dive for years and can honestly state that this incident is not representative of how he usually acts. I sincerely hope that Dale can show some mercy in the near future.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
i doubt he's banned for life. he'll prollly get another chance once this all calms down....and if he's man enough to call their office and apologize.....
as for the hackrdudes? i somehow suspect they'll be seeing some black suv's with nice men in suits pulling up in front of their homse pretty soon.
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I think the reconsider part is about Dive being banned for life. Yes Dive screwed up in the worst way! Ya just don't poke a pissed-off just awakened bear in the eye and expect to get away unscathed. The really bad thing is that the only winners in this whole deal is those tards that pulled this crap. They got their 15 minutes of fame and we got a pissed off game designer/developer and lost a good friend to some of us in the process. Don't get me wrong, I am not supporting the way Dive blew up and letting his frustrations override his usually fun-loving disposition. I have been flying with Dive for years and can honestly state that this incident is not representative of how he usually acts. I sincerely hope that Dale can show some mercy in the near future.
All the Best...
Jay
AwDoc1
+1 :aok
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Agree.
Thunderegg, he was going over the top on 200 Thursday Night at times. Those two threads never should have been started, all of us know this. Both players aren't "new" and know the manner in which HTC handles those "incidents".
I believe Diver will be given a 2nd chance, just let him cool off, relax and come back with a clear mind. Diver was an excellent person to have chatted with while I winged the BoP's. His esprit de corps was always excellent.
Gotcha' Sir. <S> :)
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Wow, just wow. I know Diver, I like Diver. He's one of the most standup guys that play the game. Did he meltdown? Without a doubt. Did he have a good reason? Without a doubt. Was it a smart move? That's for Diver to decide.
Personally, I think both could have handled this better.
aaah Meltdown( :D :eek: :huh :frown: :mad: :t :devil) yes, we at the BoPs HQ are trying to investigate exactly what went wrong :headscratch: When inserting the Atomantium particles into his blood stream we were only trying to make a better pilot :airplane: In actuality our agent went rogue due to overdose of Starbucks and prescriptive medication that was unforeseeable. We truly never expected to have mild mannered Cowboy from Houston :rock to turn into a raving virtual crackpot :banana: The BoPs apologize :salute for any inconvenience we have created in the AH community and would hope our mistakes will help us be more effective socially in the future :pray
F.Y.I. - DISCLAIMER: The Birds of Prey :airplane: and/or any of its affiliates :cool: :banana: will never admit that this or anything like this incident TRULY HAPPENED. Under our legal representatives advice(Karaya) we will ALL PLEAD the 5TH Amendment........Thank You! :aok
ATTN: :noid This message will self destruct in 5...........4.........3...... 2....... :uhoh :O
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eleventy pages!!
Abide by the policies agreed to by playing. Or don't play/post.
HTC can easily make the decision for you as has been shown
now and in the past. Kind of simple really. Not sure why some
people like to think they're "different" and exceptions can be
made for them
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I think it is pretty obvious Diver was taking this game way too seriously. If he could melt down and go off on Hitech, I can imagine what he could do in the MA to someone he doesn't have to worry about.
That is a reprehensible thing to suggest. Diver's MA behavior has always been outstanding...in fact there was thread recently in which he received a bunch of compliments from his opponents. I am disappointed by his posting as it has cost me and the squad a valuable FRIEND. He was truly one of the guys i looked most forward to virtually "hanging out" with.
Not many know this but his recently born son has Down's syndrome. On squad channel one of the guys unknowingly made a "short bus" type comment and several others made similar quips. I tried to shut it down quickly but failed. Diver just laughed it off. I don't know I would have been so calm. Suffice to say there were several stuttering BoPs trying to apologize...but again Cameron just brushed it off. This has been his in-game persona as long as I have known him. On the boards he seems to lose his cool quickly and I am sorry for that.
I respect Dale/hitech and crew and obviously there must be consequences for violating the rules...I am terribly saddened that it has claimed this long time vet with a lifetime ban from the game he loves and uses as a break from real life. This has been a hard pill to swallow. :(
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First of all the person who was text banned was NOT advertising. Sorry Griz, you got it wrong. Instead of flying over there to see it (why waste the time?) he looked it up on youtube. Someone asked for the link, he posted it. Everyone was spamming the chat about the godforsaken hackers that it scrolled up to quickly so he posted it again along with saying "if you see this happening report it". Which then resulted in a witch hunt and the mass reporting to which he got text banned. I know this because the person who got banned is my wingman, and I was on VOX with him the whole time. The whole situation could have been over and done with if someone had just said "It would violate the EULA" in the BEGINNING of the mess instead of flaming the guy, pissing him off, then telling him. For those of you who know this person, you also know he's a RL pilot. That being said, he did just get back from a tiring flight and was about to log of when this mess happened.
Hacking games happens. Always has, always will. They crave attention anytime they put on such a blatant display as they did last night. Screaming at them, telling them you're going to report them, that you're filming them and such just fuels their ego. When it happens, film it, send it to HTC and let it be done. Watching the chat last night (or night before, sorry it's 4 am here) was like getting the play by play from a squeaker and just as annoying.
I understand that this is a close community. Everyone seems to know everyone. That was one of the factors that decided wether or not I was going to pay for the subscription. To those that led the witch hunt, well done, Mission accomplished, you succeeded in doing absolutely nothing. Kudos to you.
If you feel that you have to flame this post, go right on ahead, here's a Zippo. Wake me when you're done playing Neighborhood Watch. That's my 2 cents, I'm going to bed. To the rest, see ya in the skies.
-MadHat
They WERE advertising the You Tube clips. No "flames" needed. You're wrong on this one.
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HT even deletes his own posts for violating the rules - now thats thorough :D
Neg. He probably quoted the post. If the OP is deleted and others quote it, they will also have their posts removed.
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aaah Meltdown( :D :eek: :huh :frown: :mad: :t :devil) yes, we at the BoPs HQ are trying to investigate exactly what went wrong :headscratch: When inserting the Atomantium particles into his blood stream we were only trying to make a better pilot :airplane: In actuality our agent went rogue due to overdose of Starbucks and prescriptive medication that was unforeseeable. We truly never expected to have mild mannered Cowboy from Houston :rock to turn into a raving virtual crackpot :banana: The BoPs apologize :salute for any inconvenience we have created in the AH community and would hope our mistakes will help us be more effective socially in the future :pray
F.Y.I. - DISCLAIMER: The Birds of Prey :airplane: and/or any of its affiliates :cool: :banana: will never admit that this or anything like this incident TRULY HAPPENED. Under our legal representatives advice(Karaya) we will ALL PLEAD the 5TH Amendment........Thank You! :aok
ATTN: :noid This message will self destruct in 5...........4.........3...... 2....... :uhoh :O
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Play Aces High to get away from RL don't get them confused.
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Really, if it happens again just ignore them. Attention is what they wanted and attention si what you gave them.
Yup. I mentioned this while the hack was occurring. Some couldn't seem to grasp it.
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you hack to drink it u crack it to open it :D
does this rhyme/assonance work ?
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Yup. I mentioned this while the hack was occurring. Some couldn't seem to grasp it.
that's because everybody likes a crises, and/or bad news. they jump on it like vultures. why do you think the network news shows are full of bad news? it's what sells.
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Yup. I mentioned this while the hack was occurring. Some couldn't seem to grasp it.
I taunted them with how bad they were even with their extraordinary advantage. After the 300th bomb had fallen some guy came in low in an La-7 and the lone remaining auto-ack killed him. :rofl
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I taunted them with how bad they were even with their extraordinary advantage. After the 300th bomb had fallen some guy came in low in an La-7 and the lone remaining auto-ack killed him. :rofl
Most were, they were horrible.
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I wouldn't worry about Diver. Roy is a very reasonable guy. I'm sure once Diver decides he's done being angry, he'll call HTC and get reinstated. It's not that big of a deal. The "P" in "PNG" does not necessarily stand for "permanent".
Besides, I once saw Diver8up, while in a flakker, vulch Grizz's 262. Every muppet online laughed hysterically at it. Even Grizz was a good sport about it, after some initial gnashing of teeth.
Humor like that is good to have around.
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I've been around Diver through the game for a few years, and I know him enough in real life to be certain he is a stand-up guy. We all screw up, and as long was we admit it, we're better off. <<S>> Diver8up.
you guys ever think diver8up not guy u thinking of... this guy just got on bbs dec 2009.
ops never mind it is diver8up thought at first was someone using his name on boards. seen that before
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The more I read this thread. The more I see is the Irony of it. "Yawn" Im just trying to hold on till WW1 comes out.
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Hitech
I rarely post on these boards but I do read and follow them. I took over the BOPS from Falc effective in August of 09 and feel as Diver's overall squadron leader to respond to this post. I have taken the time to read all the posts and speak to Diver. Unfortunately I did call the AH offices but it was to late on Friday and I will make a serious effort to speak with Mr. Addinks on monday. I have a few comments to make.
1. Diver is an exceptional person and player. He has dealt with personal issues and professional ones that would make a lessor man snap. He has faced medical issues in his family and employment issues...like a lot of us have in this economy and still maintained a positive attitude and been a loyal wingman and great friend. Whether it was hurricanes, a child with serious medical issues, being out of work he has kept his chin up. But every man has his limit. Diver loves this game and has been a loyal player for years. His loss will be sorely felt unless we can get this situation resolved.
2. Hitech, bottom line its your company and your product and you run it as you see fit. I am a private business owner myself and I understand the pride one takes in his product, and how pissed off it made me when someone degrades my product in any way. You write the rules and you enforce the rules, its your ship and you run it. I am asking you, as Diver's CO for his reinstatement to the game. I ask for one reason only. According to the reports I have your last statement as "you are not the kind of customer we want". Sir with all due respect you are dead wrong on this part. Diver after all these years still takes the time and has the patience to mentor new players in this game. He does not write them off as noobies and move on. He takes the time to maximize the enjoyment they can get from the game. He teaches, he leads, and he loves this game. He is exactly the type of player you want IN THE GAME.
3. What I propose is this. Put him on probation, ban him permanently from the boards, and I will take personal responsibility for his conduct in the game at the peril of my own membership. But please reconsider this decision Sir. The diver that made the serious errors in judgement in posting what he did is not the diver you see in the game 99.9% of the time. I again state catagorically that will put my own neck in the noose in order for you to reconsider this banishment.
Wt666 CO of the Birds of Prey
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WT666,
Put that in email form and I think this might get resolved even faster :aok :salute
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Junky I have done so. thank you
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Junky I have done so. thank you
I don't see how they could hold you accountable for another's actions, either legally or practically. (not trying to pick a fight, I realize you are trying to help)
I don't know what transpired when Diver spoke to Dale... heated words I would guess. I still maintain HTC are very reasonable and quite forgiving and that, if Diver wants to, when he calls them with a cool head, he could work this out. I don't have a crystal ball or any info on this specific situation, it's just how I feel based on my dealings with Dale and Roy.
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Obviously I agree with WT666.
Diver has been a well respected member of the AH community for some time.
And I don't think he deserves the "knee jerk" reaction he received for his statements.
I would tend to lean towards some type of temporary penalty. (if any)
I wouldn't react so harshly to a guy who has never even been on the radar before.
I've seen alot worse in here receive alot less.
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Diver already has called and that is why I am taking this extraordinary step. And I will voluntarily turn in my wings if he screws up again.
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Diver already has called and that is why I am taking this extraordinary step. And I will voluntarily turn in my wings if he screws up again.
Well like I said:
don't see how they could hold you accountable for another's actions, either legally or practically
I know this.. as I said:
I don't know what transpired when Diver spoke to Dale.
Either you didn't read my post or didn't understand it.
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Hitech
I rarely post on these boards but I do read and follow them. I took over the BOPS from Falc effective in August of 09 and feel as Diver's overall squadron leader to respond to this post. I have taken the time to read all the posts and speak to Diver. Unfortunately I did call the AH offices but it was to late on Friday and I will make a serious effort to speak with Mr. Addinks on monday. I have a few comments to make.
1. Diver is an exceptional person and player. He has dealt with personal issues and professional ones that would make a lessor man snap. He has faced medical issues in his family and employment issues...like a lot of us have in this economy and still maintained a positive attitude and been a loyal wingman and great friend. Whether it was hurricanes, a child with serious medical issues, being out of work he has kept his chin up. But every man has his limit. Diver loves this game and has been a loyal player for years. His loss will be sorely felt unless we can get this situation resolved.
2. Hitech, bottom line its your company and your product and you run it as you see fit. I am a private business owner myself and I understand the pride one takes in his product, and how pissed off it made me when someone degrades my product in any way. You write the rules and you enforce the rules, its your ship and you run it. I am asking you, as Diver's CO for his reinstatement to the game. I ask for one reason only. According to the reports I have your last statement as "you are not the kind of customer we want". Sir with all due respect you are dead wrong on this part. Diver after all these years still takes the time and has the patience to mentor new players in this game. He does not write them off as noobies and move on. He takes the time to maximize the enjoyment they can get from the game. He teaches, he leads, and he loves this game. He is exactly the type of player you want IN THE GAME.
3. What I propose is this. Put him on probation, ban him permanently from the boards, and I will take personal responsibility for his conduct in the game at the peril of my own membership. But please reconsider this decision Sir. The diver that made the serious errors in judgement in posting what he did is not the diver you see in the game 99.9% of the time. I again state catagorically that will put my own neck in the noose in order for you to reconsider this banishment.
Wt666 CO of the Birds of Prey
+1000
Diver is one of my favorite squaddies & players. He is my friend. He made a mistake. He doesn't visit these boards & doesn't really know how it works with our community & our interaction with HTC here. He called to talk to HT last night to apologize & was totally blown off. I really hope tempers calm down & he will be allowed to return to the game. He is not the one who started this mess & I know how much he loves the game. He is a nightly player, and by reading these posts, one can tell what a great guy he is. This game is important to him & that is why he took such a strong stance on the whole hacking thing. It had him really fired up like the rest of us. I hope HTC will let him back in the game & cooler heads will prevail. It's very rare that a player with a better in-game attitude will be found. The dude screwed up by voicing his opinion. There are far worse things in life that someone can do. Taking your temper out on a long time loyal customer and banishing them is one of them. It was the wrong subject & timing for Diver to make this mistake on, but good God, the guy is human. Don't take away something that obviously means so much to him (he plays nightly for hours) over this stupid crap. We are all pissed that someone invaded our playground & screwed it up. Don't take it out on the wrong person who, right or wrong, voiced his opinion on the matter. My god, cut the dude a little slack for caring about the game. This situation is stupid. That is my opinion and yes I'm gonna voice it. If I get banned for it too, than I accept that. I fought many times for the rights of this country and I dang sure am gonna exercise em. Diver has helped players and this game a thousand times more than a couple of stupid posts could ever hurt it. Ban him from the boards, fine, but give the man his passion back. Stop punishing the wrong person. He has already called to apologize & is going to again on Monday. Please accept it. This post has not been an attack on HTC. I speak to everyone man to man, I don't care who you are. Tempers got out of hand, but the moment is over. He knows he was wrong and has tried to apologize. Please let him back into the game. I personally know how much it means to him.
Please HT. Punish the hackers, not the long time loyal player & customer. Have a heart & let Diver back in the game.
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Punish the hackers, not the long time loyal player & customer.
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Look, most of you know me from being a total tool ultra melon tard. yes i admit that. I have pushed away friends i made on this game with my childish and disrespectful actions.(one of the reasons bipolar is no more) Ive been text suspended maybe 30 times and mod muted in the hundreds. because i was a total idiot and detriment to this game. even i had several shots to get it right. (for the drama queens, no i didnt get ban, but bipolar is no more)
Now diver on the other hand has been the complete opposite from that. He is a really nice guy. i dont think ive ever seen him say something out of line on 200. Always working with the new kids. And is the kind of player you want playing and promoting your product.
Now i dont have any idea what kind of words were exchanged between him and HT. But i personally would like to see him allowed back. just my thoughts.
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I again state catagorically that will put my own neck in the noose in order for you to reconsider this banishment.
Add me to that list too.
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Look, most of you know me from being a total tool ultra melon tard. yes i admit that. I have pushed away friends i made on this game with my childish and disrespectful actions.(one of the reasons bipolar is no more) Ive been text suspended maybe 30 times and mod muted in the hundreds. because i was a total idiot and detriment to this game. even i had several shots to get it right. (for the drama queens, no i didnt get ban, but bipolar is no more)
Your friends still love you.
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Look, most of you know me from being a total tool ultra melon tard. yes i admit that. I have pushed away friends i made on this game with my childish and disrespectful actions.(one of the reasons bipolar is no more) Ive been text suspended maybe 30 times and mod muted in the hundreds. because i was a total idiot and detriment to this game. even i had several shots to get it right. (for the drama queens, no i didnt get ban, but bipolar is no more)
Now diver on the other hand has been the complete opposite from that. He is a really nice guy. i dont think ive ever seen him say something out of line on 200. Always working with the new kids. And is the kind of player you want playing and promoting your product.
Now i dont have any idea what kind of words were exchanged between him and HT. But i personally would like to see him allowed back. just my thoughts.
This has got to be a hacker on BiPs account :D Cant wait to whoop on you when you get back :devil :salute
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The Fuhrer has spoken, the hacks have been shot, don't EVER mention it again and in the future don't talk about it either!
Perfect, I know I am satisfied!
BTW, your game got hacked last night.
Cameron Kehm aka diver8up
Are we supposed to be scared of Dale? Tread Lightly is a big FU to everyone out there who has a conscern about this very topic. The man said it can't be done, period! And now comes back to us and slaps us in the face for reporting it and posting it.
If he chooses to ban me because I speak my mind then so be it, but I am not going to hid or cower in the shadows.
I put my name on it!
~1. thru .11 snipped~
I am leaving this topic open but if you are going to post I would suggest you tread very lightly
We ask your help in this matter of squashing & not partaking in the RUMORS that come from occurrences like this.
Dale Addink
CEO HiTech Creations.
from his post ( nearly ALL 6 of Them were towards this occurance )
He deserves everything he got, and that includes being blown off from HTC if that SO Happened......
All of us were FOREWARNED to tread lightly..and had everything posted about what is and is not acceptable....
if Diver8up gets reinstated, so should Ren then........ he was a dedicated Aces High Trainer, for Christ Sake.......
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if Diver8up gets reinstated, so should Ren then........ he was a dedicated Aces High Trainer, for Christ Sake.......
did Ren try to make amends?
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I wear those accussations as badge of honor. Mean i'm really good at what I do. I need that reinforcement in my old age.
I think your head is reaching critical mass :lol
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This has got to be a hacker on BiPs account :D Cant wait to whoop on you when you get back :devil :salute
I will be back. But never as BiPoLaR again. No one will know who i am. Just lay low and chill. keep my mouth shut and enjoy the game i love. :salute
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That sucks, shoot me a pm if you need a wingman or a good fight :salute
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did Ren try to make amends?
i didn't know ren got himself banned. i thought he just left........
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Should just lock this thread and move on. If the matter is to be squashed why have this thread open?
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I will be back. But never as BiPoLaR again. No one will know who i am. Just lay low and chill. keep my mouth shut and enjoy the game i love. :salute
Bi,
I've been online for some years now and I even flew with ya a few times and I never heard ya get out of line... well at least now too much. Ya really don't need to change your name to change your ways... <S>
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
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from his post ( nearly ALL 6 of Them were towards this occurance )
He deserves everything he got, and that includes being blown off from HTC if that SO Happened......
All of us were FOREWARNED to tread lightly..and had everything posted about what is and is not acceptable....
if Diver8up gets reinstated, so should Ren then........ he was a dedicated Aces High Trainer, for Christ Sake.......
Yep.
ack-ack
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I used to religiously play Everquest back in the day. The #1 reason I quit that game was due to the number of cheats and hacks (like ShowEQ) that were being used by more and more players every time I played. And when I reported them, nothing was done.
In an MMOG where you can't just pick up and join a different server, banning and preventing hackers and hacks is paramount.
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They WERE advertising the You Tube clips. No "flames" needed. You're wrong on this one.
Ok let's try it this way. The person on the Rook side was not advertising, least not intentionally. It's beginning to look like a really bad case of bad timing. But I have to ask, is this kind of reaction normal? A couple of hacks show up and AH goes to hell? I watched one guy last night get jumped because he asked wether or not the hacks have been dealt with. Simple question, yes or no, no need to insult the guy. I watched pilots I thought were good guys turn into babbling 5 year old idiots falling over themselves trying to get a stab into the guy. This is not what I pay money for. I pay money to fly and put really big holes into other peoples back yards. I want to be able to do that without being worried that if I type anything in chat, someone is going to twist it and use it to get me banned. What really pisses me off is how someone could quote policy and procedure to boot my wingman, and in the same breath force me to explain to my 9 yr old neice that "(Player) is licking me between my legs" means there's a cat on her lap and how "I'm horny" means she just got shot up by a bad guy but she's still able to fly. Sorry, but I wasn't prepared to explain adult concepts to her because of a video game. My neice likes to watch me fly, she's been in love with prop jobs ever since she watched "30 seconds over Tokyo" and "Flying Leathernecks" with me. She wants a crush cap for her birthday, but it has to be purple because she likes Hannah Montana (don't know how I'm going to fill that order).
I hope Diver is reinstated. I'm one of those he's helped out. He's always seem to be a class act. Yes, he did go overboard with his comments (the fuhrer bit probably wasn't such a good idea) but at the same time HiTech did go overboard with his. (The tread lightly warning was a bit of an insult to me) But, it's been done, let's all move on to the next crisis.
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would that be Damned Ren ???
"The Damned" i remember those guys ...
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Ok let's try it this way. The person on the Rook side was not advertising, least not intentionally. It's beginning to look like a really bad case of bad timing. But I have to ask, is this kind of reaction normal? A couple of hacks show up and AH goes to hell? I watched one guy last night get jumped because he asked wether or not the hacks have been dealt with. Simple question, yes or no, no need to insult the guy. I watched pilots I thought were good guys turn into babbling 5 year old idiots falling over themselves trying to get a stab into the guy. This is not what I pay money for. I pay money to fly and put really big holes into other peoples back yards. I want to be able to do that without being worried that if I type anything in chat, someone is going to twist it and use it to get me banned. What really pisses me off is how someone could quote policy and procedure to boot my wingman, and in the same breath force me to explain to my 9 yr old neice that "(Player) is licking me between my legs" means there's a cat on her lap and how "I'm horny" means she just got shot up by a bad guy but she's still able to fly. Sorry, but I wasn't prepared to explain adult concepts to her because of a video game. My neice likes to watch me fly, she's been in love with prop jobs ever since she watched "30 seconds over Tokyo" and "Flying Leathernecks" with me. She wants a crush cap for her birthday, but it has to be purple because she likes Hannah Montana (don't know how I'm going to fill that order).
I hope Diver is reinstated. I'm one of those he's helped out. He's always seem to be a class act. Yes, he did go overboard with his comments (the fuhrer bit probably wasn't such a good idea) but at the same time HiTech did go overboard with his. (The tread lightly warning was a bit of an insult to me) But, it's been done, let's all move on to the next crisis.
"The Rook" was asked a few times by SEVERAL players to stop spamming the you tube link on 200, that the two "were promoting until Grizz and a bunch of us Chat suspended them". "The Rook" was told those old videos were the reason "H2H was shut down". But, he kept post posting it, out of "trying to be a rebel, funny, etc". He continued posting the links and was reported by many of us. Whether or not he was banned as well, is none of my business. But posting that video link, does nothing good for HTC.
He deserved the Report at a minimum.
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well said Dale however you should have locked this thread after you where done. this community cant keep a thread in good manor
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as for the hackrdudes? i somehow suspect they'll be seeing some black suv's with nice men in suits pulling up in front of their homse pretty soon.
I highly doubt that. This was the same person that has been doing it for years. If they haven't caught him by now then it probably wont happen because of this event.
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Hitech
I rarely post on these boards but I do read and follow them. I took over the BOPS from Falc effective in August of 09 and feel as Diver's overall squadron leader to respond to this post. I have taken the time to read all the posts and speak to Diver. Unfortunately I did call the AH offices but it was to late on Friday and I will make a serious effort to speak with Mr. Addinks on monday. I have a few comments to make.
1. Diver is an exceptional person and player. He has dealt with personal issues and professional ones that would make a lessor man snap. He has faced medical issues in his family and employment issues...like a lot of us have in this economy and still maintained a positive attitude and been a loyal wingman and great friend. Whether it was hurricanes, a child with serious medical issues, being out of work he has kept his chin up. But every man has his limit. Diver loves this game and has been a loyal player for years. His loss will be sorely felt unless we can get this situation resolved.
2. Hitech, bottom line its your company and your product and you run it as you see fit. I am a private business owner myself and I understand the pride one takes in his product, and how pissed off it made me when someone degrades my product in any way. You write the rules and you enforce the rules, its your ship and you run it. I am asking you, as Diver's CO for his reinstatement to the game. I ask for one reason only. According to the reports I have your last statement as "you are not the kind of customer we want". Sir with all due respect you are dead wrong on this part. Diver after all these years still takes the time and has the patience to mentor new players in this game. He does not write them off as noobies and move on. He takes the time to maximize the enjoyment they can get from the game. He teaches, he leads, and he loves this game. He is exactly the type of player you want IN THE GAME.
3. What I propose is this. Put him on probation, ban him permanently from the boards, and I will take personal responsibility for his conduct in the game at the peril of my own membership. But please reconsider this decision Sir. The diver that made the serious errors in judgement in posting what he did is not the diver you see in the game 99.9% of the time. I again state catagorically that will put my own neck in the noose in order for you to reconsider this banishment.
Wt666 CO of the Birds of Prey
+1000
Diver is one of my favorite squaddies & players. He is my friend. He made a mistake. He doesn't visit these boards & doesn't really know how it works with our community & our interaction with HTC here. He called to talk to HT last night to apologize & was totally blown off. I really hope tempers calm down & he will be allowed to return to the game. He is not the one who started this mess & I know how much he loves the game. He is a nightly player, and by reading these posts, one can tell what a great guy he is. This game is important to him & that is why he took such a strong stance on the whole hacking thing. It had him really fired up like the rest of us. I hope HTC will let him back in the game & cooler heads will prevail. It's very rare that a player with a better in-game attitude will be found. The dude screwed up by voicing his opinion. There are far worse things in life that someone can do. Taking your temper out on a long time loyal customer and banishing them is one of them. It was the wrong subject & timing for Diver to make this mistake on, but good God, the guy is human. Don't take away something that obviously means so much to him (he plays nightly for hours) over this stupid crap. We are all pissed that someone invaded our playground & screwed it up. Don't take it out on the wrong person who, right or wrong, voiced his opinion on the matter. My god, cut the dude a little slack for caring about the game. This situation is stupid. That is my opinion and yes I'm gonna voice it. If I get banned for it too, than I accept that. I fought many times for the rights of this country and I dang sure am gonna exercise em. Diver has helped players and this game a thousand times more than a couple of stupid posts could ever hurt it. Ban him from the boards, fine, but give the man his passion back. Stop punishing the wrong person. He has already called to apologize & is going to again on Monday. Please accept it. This post has not been an attack on HTC. I speak to everyone man to man, I don't care who you are. Tempers got out of hand, but the moment is over. He knows he was wrong and has tried to apologize. Please let him back into the game. I personally know how much it means to him.
Please HT. Punish the hackers, not the long time loyal player & customer. Have a heart & let Diver back in the game.
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I agree. A long time ago I meet Diver in the game and he seemed like he seemed a nice guy. Then I flew with him a few times and he proved me right. He is exactly the type of player you want in the game. If he is banned from the game itself, then, with all due respect, HT has made a very poor decision.
Just my 2 cents. <S>
<S>
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Hitech
I rarely post on these boards but I do read and follow them. I took over the BOPS from Falc effective in August of 09 and feel as Diver's overall squadron leader to respond to this post. I have taken the time to read all the posts and speak to Diver. Unfortunately I did call the AH offices but it was to late on Friday and I will make a serious effort to speak with Mr. Addinks on monday. I have a few comments to make.
1. Diver is an exceptional person and player. He has dealt with personal issues and professional ones that would make a lessor man snap. He has faced medical issues in his family and employment issues...like a lot of us have in this economy and still maintained a positive attitude and been a loyal wingman and great friend. Whether it was hurricanes, a child with serious medical issues, being out of work he has kept his chin up. But every man has his limit. Diver loves this game and has been a loyal player for years. His loss will be sorely felt unless we can get this situation resolved.
2. Hitech, bottom line its your company and your product and you run it as you see fit. I am a private business owner myself and I understand the pride one takes in his product, and how pissed off it made me when someone degrades my product in any way. You write the rules and you enforce the rules, its your ship and you run it. I am asking you, as Diver's CO for his reinstatement to the game. I ask for one reason only. According to the reports I have your last statement as "you are not the kind of customer we want". Sir with all due respect you are dead wrong on this part. Diver after all these years still takes the time and has the patience to mentor new players in this game. He does not write them off as noobies and move on. He takes the time to maximize the enjoyment they can get from the game. He teaches, he leads, and he loves this game. He is exactly the type of player you want IN THE GAME.
3. What I propose is this. Put him on probation, ban him permanently from the boards, and I will take personal responsibility for his conduct in the game at the peril of my own membership. But please reconsider this decision Sir. The diver that made the serious errors in judgement in posting what he did is not the diver you see in the game 99.9% of the time. I again state catagorically that will put my own neck in the noose in order for you to reconsider this banishment.
Wt666 CO of the Birds of Prey
On one hand I admire your dedication to your squadmate, Wt666, but I don't agree with all of your post.
Come next month, I will have been laid off for a year. Last February and March, my mom was diagnosed with cancer, had part of her left lung removed, had several other major surgeries with a two week period, and in November it was discovered that the cancer has metastized all over and there is no treatment available due to the rare type of cancer she has. So we put her on hospice and I am watching her die every day and there is nothing we can do about it beyond keeping her comfortable as possible.
Since September, my son has had a dislocated elbow, an ulcerated cornea, and over Thanksgiving he was in the hospital with abcesses to his legs that no one can explain why they occurred. Yeah, worst year of his 17 year life.
Since last February, I've been laid off, am dealing with the impending loss of my mother, have seen my son suffer from various injuries and ailments, and while I am dealing with that, I've been struggling to keep the lights and heat on and food in the house.
Having laid out my own problems and struggles, I can still say I think your squadmate was dead wrong.
I remember seeing his name in the arenas, but can't recall if we spoke or not. Regardless of how nice he is in the arenas, he came on here and went off on hitech and got what he deserved. Having met hitech in person and spoke with him several times on the phone, my opinion is that hitech is an extremely reasonable person.
You say your friend did in fact call HTC and talk to hitech?
If so, and admittedly not being privy to the actual conversation, I'd have to say that he wasn't repentant or had a hostile attitude or hitech would have reinstated him.
I can't imagine myself going off on any of the HTC staff and expecting to just get off with no repercussions.
Just from reading his posts, he was taunting hitech and company to do something......well, they did. It's not up to you to tell them how super a guy he is, it's up to him to demonstrate that he IS the type customer they want in the game.
You say he's a grown man.....he dug this hole for himself, he needs to dig himself out and make amends. If he's the type guy you have described him as being, he shouldn't find it that hard to do......reading his posts, you might have misjudged your squadmate's character.
My point is, you can't use personal hardships as an excuse. I know a lot of people going through really rough times right now, and none of them would use their own problems as a crutch and think they could tweak HTC's nose and get away with it.
Just my thoughts...........
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well said Dale however you should have locked this thread after you where done. this community cant keep a thread in good manor
Yup.
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+1
I agree. A long time ago I meet Diver in the game and he seemed like he seemed a nice guy. Then I flew with him a few times and he proved me right. He is exactly the type of player you want in the game. If he is banned from the game itself, then, with all due respect, HT has made a very poor decision.
Just my 2 cents. <S>
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what would you, and others that've said this have done in ht's shoes?
the dude pretty much came in here daring him to ban him. the warnings were all in the very first post.
while he might be a nice guy, he got just what he deserved in this instance.
if he mans up, and calls them, i'm sure he'll get back in the game.
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what would you, and others that've said this have done in ht's shoes?
Ban him from the boards, not the game.
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Ban him from the boards, not the game.
is he banned from both? i thought it was only from here?
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Both.
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Both.
in that instance, i would imagine, that ht pretty much HAD to do something extreme, considering that the warnings were in place.
i'm sure that a phone call when all is calmer will at very least get the dude back in the game.
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Not trying to judge or condemn the guy (his own posts did a good enough job of that).
But what he did was the equivalent to walking into someone's home and calling his mom an obscene name, poking him in the eye, spitting in his face, and then flipping him the bird..........yeah, he'd get kicked out of their home if he did that.
And getting banned for what he did seems reasonable.
Why let him play the game and enjoy himself after his very public display of disrespect towards hitech and HTC? That makes no sense whatsoever, folks.......
Regardless, it's between him and hitech now, and if he's as good a guy as you say he is, he'll see the error of his ways and repent and apologize.
Now.......I'm done here......just hope I haven't crossed any lines myself..... :bolt:
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I highly doubt that. This was the same person that has been doing it for years. If they haven't caught him by now then it probably wont happen because of this event.
Like HiTech said, they do have the legal route they can take if they choose to. There is a major MMO company (not Blizzard) that sued a player that was repeatedly banned from the game for hacking. After repeated bannings, the developers went to court and got a restraining order against the hacker but the hacker being an idiot just created a new account and did it again. He was caught and banned again but since this time he broke the restraining order against him, the developers sued the player. Now the player is going to be spending the most of his adult life paying off the lawsuit.
So there is legal recourse that ban be taken in cases like these.
ack-ack
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wt666: If the topic were any other then this one I would consider it if he were to apologize. But you really do not understand how seriously I take this subject. I had already cut some slack by allowing him to continue after his first topic that I locked.
He then came back calling me names after I had spent the time to outline the reasons behind my policies along with calling me a lire by saying I stated that AH could not be hacked.
In my experience guys who display this type of behavior almost always repeat it as demonstrated by his behavior of repeating himself in this thread what he had said before in a topic I locked.
Also wt666 it is really not a good idea making request like yours in public, it really does make it much more difficult for all parties involved to deal with.
I request all involved to please drop the discussion of diver, it really is nice to speak about a guy who can not post and defend himself.
HiTech
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OK well your decision is final. And I understand your point. Thank You for your time.
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wt666: If the topic were any other then this one I would consider it if he were to apologize. But you really do not understand how seriously I take this subject. I had already cut some slack by allowing him to continue after his first topic that I locked.
He then came back calling me names after I had spent the time to outline the reasons behind my policies along with calling me a lire by saying I stated that AH could not be hacked.
In my experience guys who display this type of behavior almost always repeat it as demonstrated by his behavior of repeating himself in this thread what he had said before in a topic I locked.
Also wt666 it is really not a good idea making request like yours in public, it really does make it much more difficult for all parties involved to deal with.
I request all involved to please drop the discussion of diver, it really is nice to speak about a guy who can not post and defend himself.
HiTech
He did apologize to you on the phone & I know you have emails in your in-box. Ban him from the boards, but please let him back in the game. If you've read this thread, you know now how highly people think of him & that he is an asset to the game. Maybe not from the admin's POV, but from the players'. I know what this game and his squaddies mean to him. Please let him back in the game. In all these years you have never had one problem from him. He is freely & publicly admitting how wrong he was & is trying his damndest to get with you to apologize. It's up to you of course, but I really hope you will read his apology(ies) and let him back in where he belongs.
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Been reading all of the threads.
Not too sure what really happened in details.
But obviously someone CROSSED THE LINE.
That someone/player is APPARENTLY and good person.
If that person is that GOOD/GREAT, he will accept his punishment and serve his sentence.
After that period, MAYBE HTC can open the communication chanels and reconsider the suspension(if any).
I think if HTC gives in on that scenario, it will open a can of worms for other "foul players/action" in the future.
Poke the giant, you bound to get stomped !
Poke the bear, you bound to get bitten !
Discipline might cause supportive players to be upset.
It will also send a strong msg. This game is TOP NOTCH with no tolerance !
HANG IN THERE HTC !
Phil /OPP7755
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Internet drama, it feeds me.
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Internet drama, it feeds me.
I still think I had the best response (on pg 13.)
:neener:
<shoulda posted it on pg 1 or 2, ah well...> :noid
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Had the C innuendo thrown at me once. I was flattered!
I did send a film in once and Skuzzy replied the next day.
:salute Skuzzy
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A long battle with people who would destroy what we love and what HTC has built and loves and pays the bills for him and his staff.
Rules that have been successful for a decade.
HT hasn't set up this game as some kind of personality thing that is about him, so people don't know him.
Here is a hint. When it gets past 3 lines in one post he means business.
I have never seen a cheater in the game. I think that when people see something they want to get credit from the community for being the person who saw it. Most of this folly comes from that.
Eddiek, Hang in there buddy, sorry to hear about your troubles.
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Wish HTC would notify us when they get a film of someone getting their pants flown off, and think its a hack... Figure it'd be good for 1 laugh a week.. ;)
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Put me down as a ten year+ vet of the game that has never actually seen this unlimited ammo hack in game. I know it exists, Ive seen the videos, but I am totally unphased by by it. The pathetic people that perpeptuate this on the game and the community are not worth the bile and excrement they generate as human beings. The crew at HTC knows hows to deal with them. I trust HTC implicitly in this matter.
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Put me down as a ten year+ vet of the game that has never actually seen this unlimited ammo hack in game. I know it exists, Ive seen the videos, but I am totally unphased by by it. The pathetic people that perpeptuate this on the game and the community are not worth the bile and excrement they generate as human beings. The crew at HTC knows hows to deal with them. I trust HTC implicitly in this matter.
Pretty much everything that needs to be said has been, and I don't like givin' these idiots any more attention than I have to.
But...
Nothing says "moronic dweeb" like watching a JU87 drop 100+ MOABS on a field and not damaging anything.
Like I said to them on range that night; "I am not sure which is sadder; that you would cheat or just how terrible at the game you are".
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I sent a reply to every player who I got a film from.
This is true. Over 11 years of playing I have contacted HTC 3 times and skuzzy has answered each one in turn. On 2 occasions he politely told me that 2 were already dealt with. The third was my error.... I (lynx) got it wrong with my assumption. He also went into saying that they have protocols in place to detect breaches and that they rigorously search the net for the latest tricks. Which they make countermeasure for.
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This Posting makes me drink a lot
Drink it dont Post it PROST
(http://justbeer.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/hacker-pschorr-weissedark1.jpg)
Now Lock this Posting here it makes me sad
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What irked me was when they started posting URL's to their hacking website on Country channel and 200(IIRC). At that point they needed to be chat muted. I tried to organize a mass .report on the two guys but I'm not sure it worked because they were still yapping away about their website and youtube. That should have been dealt with quicker and more effectively imo. How many .reports does it take to chat mute somebody that is in blatant need of it?
If this post is not appropriate for this thread, I apologize.
Thanks for informing people about the things that HTC doesn't want you to inform them about.
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Wish HTC would notify us when they get a film of someone getting their pants flown off, and think its a hack... Figure it'd be good for 1 laugh a week.. ;)
shamless self promotion LOL
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shamless self promotion LOL
I love the "your flipping shooting through the tree" in a GV.... No, i am shooing over around under it, no through it... no one can shoot through a tree in AH silly :rofl they send it in and i just wonder how much time is spent waisted from my development :cry
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That was a complinent to lazers ability in a 38
Secondly you were shooting through the small bush under the tree. So was I. We both hit each other and you won. My suprise is how you knew where to shoot as you could not see me. I watched the film and could not see any portion of my tank from your vantage point. I could not see any portion of your tank from mine. You must have really big ears to hone in on my position just by the sound from my gun.
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A. I'm not flk4 I'm colleen.
B. it is comman for people to say that statement when they get shot from under around over a tree. or through a bush that does not take rounds/stop a tank.
C. i got the quote wrong from not reviewing it properly this morning.
Wish HTC would notify us when they get a film of someone getting their pants flown off, and think its a hack... Figure it'd be good for 1 laugh a week.. was the quote i was expecting to use.
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See Rule #5
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:rofl Ignorance is bliss, for some ;)
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will this stupid thread just die already
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will this stupid thread just die already
(http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/5971/deadthreadu.jpg)
Agree. Only a few posts needed addressed, the rest are typical "splitting hairs" and they don't run HTC.
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the Hairs have split up...........
nooo way man
a sorry sorry day for contempary dance
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A. I'm not flk4 I'm colleen.
B. it is comman for people to say that statement when they get shot from under around over a tree. or through a bush that does not take rounds/stop a tank.
C. i got the quote wrong from not reviewing it properly this morning.
Wish HTC would notify us when they get a film of someone getting their pants flown off, and think its a hack... Figure it'd be good for 1 laugh a week.. was the quote i was expecting to use.
well collen to be honest with you, your t34 sometimes takes so many rounds to be killed that it makes people wonder. I can never kill your tank with 1 to 3 rounds, usually takes about 5 and there's been a few times that it took more than a dozen. I mean even dr7's tanks only take 1 to 2 rounds to be killed.
semp
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well collen to be honest with you, your t34 sometimes takes so many rounds to be killed that it makes people wonder. I can never kill your tank with 1 to 3 rounds, usually takes about 5 and there's been a few times that it took more than a dozen. I mean even dr7's tanks only take 1 to 2 rounds to be killed.
semp
go practice offline. there's certain places to hit them. if one knows these places, they will also position their tank to protect them.
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well collen to be honest with you, your t34 sometimes takes so many rounds to be killed that it makes people wonder. I can never kill your tank with 1 to 3 rounds, usually takes about 5 and there's been a few times that it took more than a dozen. I mean even dr7's tanks only take 1 to 2 rounds to be killed.
semp
search under snailman's posts, you'll find some handy-dandy sketches of where to shoot tanks in their weal spots.
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well collen to be honest with you, your t34 sometimes takes so many rounds to be killed that it makes people wonder. I can never kill your tank with 1 to 3 rounds, usually takes about 5 and there's been a few times that it took more than a dozen. I mean even dr7's tanks only take 1 to 2 rounds to be killed.
semp
and by posting this I did not want to imply that you are cheating.
semp
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Look, most of you know me from being a total tool ultra melon tard. yes i admit that. I have pushed away friends i made on this game with my childish and disrespectful actions.(one of the reasons bipolar is no more) Ive been text suspended maybe 30 times and mod muted in the hundreds. because i was a total idiot and detriment to this game. even i had several shots to get it right. (for the drama queens, no i didnt get ban, but bipolar is no more)
Now diver on the other hand has been the complete opposite from that. He is a really nice guy. i dont think ive ever seen him say something out of line on 200. Always working with the new kids. And is the kind of player you want playing and promoting your product.
Now i dont have any idea what kind of words were exchanged between him and HT. But i personally would like to see him allowed back. just my thoughts.
Wow Bipolar...I must say you went up 100% in my estimation :salute
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Internet drama, it feeds me.
You must be obese :lol
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I will be back. But never as BiPoLaR again. No one will know who i am. Just lay low and chill. keep my mouth shut and enjoy the game i love. :salute
Finally sold your soul and some industrial-sized air-conditioning units to devil, didn't you?
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Shameless plug.
Cloakware.
LOL.
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Ok time for this one to die.
HiTech