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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Larry on January 30, 2010, 02:56:07 PM
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See Rule #4
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Thanks for proving your a dolt......keep my name out of your posts in the future if you don't mind.
And no, I did not request this film....
Strip
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And no, I did not request this film....
Wrong again.
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Quick post another film!!!
:rolleyes:
Dont you get it, I don't care about your little shenanigans.....
Strip
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I love this bar!! :cheers:
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That first shot was a HO......just saying :bolt:
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See Rule #4
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you ho'd him on the merge - why did you post the film ?
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BTW it's you're not your.
I have to disagree with this. :bolt:
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I have to disagree with this. :bolt:
lol ya
Ideally if you correct someone's grammar , you know what grammar is.
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See Rule #4
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Why dont you show the three or four, "Why HO comments?" you posted in the 30 minutes leading up to that, in fact weren't you chastising one player for HO'ing you several times.
Your not going to drag my name through the mud while you cherry pick comments. I said that well after you wrote, "Ill post it then." even then you still managed to miss quote what I said.
Try again......
Strip
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See Rule #4
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Keep digging Larry, why dont you go learn to quote someone properly before you give out spelling lessons....
Strip
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Its not technically a HO but only because Strip tried to avoid it, would be different if he was low on speed and couldn't have pulled his nose up but he had plenty. Its kinda bad form taking a shot like that someone has to budge there otherwise its just a collision :headscratch:
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Because it wasn't a HO. He never pointed his nose at me let alone got a gun solution.
See this is the part you guys have never understood.
He didnt point his nose because he was trying to merge - not HO. You take that as an opportunity to HO him. End of story.
Do people do it - yes all the time - do I care when someone does it - no idgaf , because normally they miss and I get angles on them. People will now argue back and forth , oh its a front quarter deflection shot , its a valid tactic used by yeager , hartmann did it all the time , the flying tigers do it , its part of the game get over it lol. Thats all fine.
It's still a HO ;)
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That first shot was a HO......just saying :bolt:
you ho'd him on the merge - why did you post the film ?
Well as someone who has been dealt many a HO :furious , I'm just not seeing it here :huh . I have always been lead to believe that a HO, is nose to nose, otherwise it is just a angle deflection shot. In the film posted, they were not nose to nose. Maybe for a brief second, several seconds before the A20 opened fire, but that's it.
We have read all to often about HO's in these forums, and the consensus always seems to be in the end if, guns are blazing on a nose to nose first merge it's a HO! Anything else it's just a deflection shot. Seems to be the opinion of most, if not all in my squad and some of them have been around a day or two :old:
:salute
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Well as someone who has been dealt many a HO :furious , I'm just not seeing it here :huh . I have always been lead to believe that a HO, is nose to nose, otherwise it is just a angle deflection shot. In the film posted, they were not nose to nose. Maybe for a brief second, several seconds before the A20 opened fire, but that's it.
We have read all to often about HO's in these forums, and the consensus always seems to be in the end if, guns are blazing on a nose to nose first merge it's a HO! Anything else it's just a deflection shot. Seems to be the opinion of most, if not all in my squad and some of them have been around a day or two :old:
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So to avoid a front angle deflection shot the answer is for both pilots to ram each other?
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So to avoid a front angle deflection shot the answer is for both pilots to ram each other?
Yea why not :x No seriously, I read all the time here that the HO is completely avoidable, do I believe that? NO! The film proves it to a degree. Yet the majority, tell poorly skilled guys such as myself, that it is a fact. So it begs the question, did both pilots make poor decisions, or just one of them? Did one make a good decision? Did one take advantage, if so, which one, and would you have taken it as well?
I have flown with and against, both Strip and Larry. They are obviously MUCH better than myself, and are VERY good marksmen. Knowing that fact alone about them, honestly, against either one of them, I would have took the shot, I would have missed, but I would have took it, and I NEVER HO unless provoked!
Just saying :salute
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My only mistake was assuming Larry wouldn't take a HO/face shot, which given who I am dealing with and the plane was a grave misjudgment.
My bad for assuming those with the skills to survive after a merge would choose to fight it out over a cheap shot.
Strip
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That was 100% HO. Way to go Larry :aok
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My only mistake was assuming Larry wouldn't take a HO/face shot, which given who I am dealing with and the plane was a grave misjudgment.
My bad for assuming those with the skills to survive after a merge would choose to fight it out over a cheap shot.
Strip
An understandable assumption, but we all know there are many who fly that way all the time.
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HO...now, can I PLEEEASE get another beer? Geez, the service at this bar is terrible but they make up for it by having very ugly bartenders...
Changeup
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Don't mind if I do.
http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/4/24/1013733/stripwhine.ahf
And yet you cry and whine that it was a HO. Then when I said it wasn't and Ill even post the film you said, "and show the clueless dolt you are please...I beg you".
BTW it's you're not your.
i just put this here, so the thread will be up top when i get home,.....so i can see the film. :aok
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Well as someone who has been dealt many a HO :furious , I'm just not seeing it here :huh . I have always been lead to believe that a HO, is nose to nose, otherwise it is just a angle deflection shot. In the film posted, they were not nose to nose. Maybe for a brief second, several seconds before the A20 opened fire, but that's it.
We have read all to often about HO's in these forums, and the consensus always seems to be in the end if, guns are blazing on a nose to nose first merge it's a HO! Anything else it's just a deflection shot. Seems to be the opinion of most, if not all in my squad and some of them have been around a day or two :old:
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It was what I like to call, a "Hot merge".....very weak on Larry's part IMO but he was in an A20 which is like the IL2 dweebs so it makes it not that dweeby. Still could have been HO if Strip didnt show some class with his flying there :aok
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Yawn...
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Yawn...
I hope your not tired already Way, Its Saturday and you better be playing late :) I may even come on and just talk with you all :aok :rofl :salute
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Some of you really need to learn what a head on really is. :rolleyes:
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Some of you really need to learn what a head on really is. :rolleyes:
You know what it is, you took it :aok
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See Rule #4
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I consider that first shot a HO.....just my opinion :salute
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lol ya
Ideally if you correct someone's grammar , you know what grammar is.
Opps, wrong your ,or you're I was referring to. I see what the mistake was now, Gezz. Either way this thread is ghey and I'm IN
Some people take this game way to seriously. :rolleyes:
Ahh fudge burning my pizza! chiit
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(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk121/TheAmish/avatar_3629.gif) every week same thread, different people
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One word for this post, IN.
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(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk121/TheAmish/avatar_3629.gif) every week same thread, different people
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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See this is the part you guys have never understood.
He didnt point his nose because he was trying to merge - not HO. You take that as an opportunity to HO him. End of story.
Do people do it - yes all the time - do I care when someone does it - no idgaf , because normally they miss and I get angles on them. People will now argue back and forth , oh its a front quarter deflection shot , its a valid tactic used by yeager , hartmann did it all the time , the flying tigers do it , its part of the game get over it lol. Thats all fine.
It's still a HO ;)
You should of told me I could HO you before you put a whooping on me in the DA :D
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You should of told me I could HO you before you put a whooping on me in the DA :D
you can HO me warhed - as long as you miss ;)
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Regardless of what the "intentions" where the A20 followed through with his attack and shot down into the P51.
No head on shot there.
The p51 intended to go vertical but decided to change course at the wrong time.
Either commit or make a move to evade earlier.
Just what the film shows
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From Larry's cockpit it looked like Larry fired down and in front of Strip in a leading shot as Strip passed under him roughly inline.
From Strip's cockpit it looked like a face shot from a higher diving con. <---Lots of HO whizzing matches on ch200 and this forum result from this situation.
So each player saw something different and responded as such in the conversation. Each player is correct from thier personal cockpit perspective. I loose my rudder from taters to Larry's type of shot all the time by pointing my nose down to evade under the nose of a higher con diving at me from the front. I'm sure Strip would have thought nothing of it if Larry were diving down at 90 degrees from his 3 O'clock and made the same lead shot.
What is wrong with placing rounds in the path of another plane so it will fly into them if the shooter is higher in front flying down at it on the same beam line?
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No HO........
But Larry has to be C________............... How else can an A20 catch up to a B?
:D
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Im standing here naked, now what?
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ok./....watched the film.
to me it didn't look like a ho. but i also have a question. it was sorta close. could it be possible that on strips end...on his computer.........that it was a ho?
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Im standing here naked, now what?
:rofl :rofl
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Im standing here naked, now what?
You type standing up?
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You type standing up?
he doesnt use his hands.
No HO........
But Larry has to be C________............... How else can an A20 catch up to a B?
:D
I get called a cheater almost every day when flying the A20. :)
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I get called a cheater almost every day when flying the A20.
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Fun fights Cattb, those are the reasons I even show up in MW.
Just one of those erases an hour of tooling around! Did you happen to film those, I would love to see them if so!
:salute
Strip
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Fun fights Cattb, those are the reasons I even show up in MW.
Just one of those erases an hour of tooling around! Did you happen to film those, I would love to see them if so!
:salute
Strip
I had fun to, those were fun fights. Have to do it again. No I didnt film them. I don't film very much, because i have filmed in the past to watch and learn and I never watch them or very few. :salute
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he doesnt use his hands.
I get called a cheater almost every day when flying the A20. :)
get used to it :noid
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get used to it :noid
cheaterrr!!!!
you HAD to be cheating that one time i actually managed to beat ya.......... :neener: :neener:
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I didn't watch the film but from the conversation this sounds like a HO to me. It's the "intent" that matters.
From what I assume both planes were headed toward one another. Strip saw the HO coming and tried to evade (unsuccessfully). Larry kept his nose on Strip and took the shot from what was now technically a forward deflection angle.
Now, the question is, if Strip hadn't tried to evade would Larry not have taken the shot? I don't think so. I think he would have taken it either way. Strip was clearly not going to take the HO shot as he proved by trying to evade. So it's a HO.
And this is why "it takes two to HO" is such a falicy. It only takes one to have the intent and carry it through to HO.
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From what I assume both planes were headed toward one another. Strip saw the HO coming and tried to evade (unsuccessfully). Larry kept his nose on Strip and took the shot from what was now technically a forward deflection angle.
Your old and wise :D I consider this HO but yet it really is just lag between both computers.
:salute
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I didn't watch the film but from the conversation this sounds like a HO to me. It's the "intent" that matters.
I watched the film ... what it boils down to is that Strip made a horrible merge ... hoped he could get out of it ... paid the price.
If I was in an A20 ... slow and turning towards a P-51 to engage and he dives like a banshee ... I split-S over the top of him and he zooms up in front of me ... I would have sliced him to ribbons too (if I was that good of a shot).
There were a 1000 different ways that P-51 could have merged/engaged and had superior position on the A-20 ... way too many people making crappy merges ... getting spanked on the crappy merge ... and then crying foul.
I tell ya what ... had he merged with Leviathn in the same manner ... he would have died on the first shot (I speak from experience) ... and Leviathn would have most likely gotten a <<S>> instead of a cry of HO.
Nice shot Larry !!!
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I watched the film ... what it boils down to is that Strip made a horrible merge ... hoped he could get out of it ... paid the price.
If I was in an A20 ... slow and turning towards a P-51 to engage and he dives like a banshee ... I split-S over the top of him and he zooms up in front of me ... I would have sliced him to ribbons too (if I was that good of a shot).
There were a 1000 different ways that P-51 could have merged/engaged and had superior position on the A-20 ... way too many people making crappy merges ... getting spanked on the crappy merge ... and then crying foul.
I tell ya what ... had he merged with Leviathn in the same manner ... he would have died on the first shot (I speak from experience) ... and Leviathn would have most likely gotten a <<S>> instead of a cry of HO.
Nice shot Larry !!!
the biggest thing i find questionable, was the use of the F3 view..... :noid
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the biggest thing i find questionable, was the use of the F3 view..... :noid
So you never use external views in bombers?
I didn't watch the film but from the conversation this sounds like a HO to me. It's the "intent" that matters.
Then I suggest watching it before making an assumption.
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no watch film = no comment in my opinion.
nice shot Larry
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So you never use external views in bombers?
Then I suggest watching it before making an assumption.
when i'm bombing, ya...........you were fighting.
i didn't mean it as a critisim though....was only making an observation.
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The best part is the whine is recorded from midwar..midwar most nights looks like a bad porn video with face shots every 2 minutes accompanied by cheesy music.
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:rofl Now that's just funny right there. :aok
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I watched the film ... what it boils down to is that Strip made a horrible merge ... hoped he could get out of it ... paid the price.
If I was in an A20 ... slow and turning towards a P-51 to engage and he dives like a banshee ... I split-S over the top of him and he zooms up in front of me ... I would have sliced him to ribbons too (if I was that good of a shot).
There were a 1000 different ways that P-51 could have merged/engaged and had superior position on the A-20 ... way too many people making crappy merges ... getting spanked on the crappy merge ... and then crying foul.
I tell ya what ... had he merged with Leviathn in the same manner ... he would have died on the first shot (I speak from experience) ... and Leviathn would have most likely gotten a <<S>> instead of a cry of HO.
Nice shot Larry !!!
hmm can't agree Slappy, If someone is lining you up for the HO , one of the best ways to avoid it is dive under their nose to make their shot as difficult as possible. I usually merge that way to get vertical separation anyway. If i'm flying at any of the usual HO planes , I find that merge will usually keep me pretty safe.
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when i'm bombing, ya...........you were fighting.
i didn't mean it as a critisim though....was only making an observation.
So when a fighter attacks you in your bomber you don't go in external view?
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So when a fighter attacks you in your bomber you don't go in external view?
no, i don't. i have to admit, i tried it.....but found it more difficult than trying to simply track them from inside the turret.
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Sweet! Great shot Larry! :aok Hate it when you do that to me! :)
I did not think it was a HO, and I know how to HO. :D I think Slapshot called it right on.
(http://www.332nd.org/dogs/daddog/larry.jpg)
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Fighting in the a20 is fun with the f3 view I use it.
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check 6 daddog. :D
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Im standing here naked, now what?
You know you can get arrested for peeing in your own yard. Seriously officer I was just watering the plants. Hey, did you just grab my arse? :D
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Sweet! Great shot Larry! :aok Hate it when you do that to me! :)
I did not think it was a HO, and I know how to HO. :D I think Slapshot called it right on.
(http://www.332nd.org/dogs/daddog/larry.jpg)
:aok Good shot Larry :salute
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One mans Ho is another Mans deflection shot.
thats definetly a deflection shot, well done
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LMAO..... I know exactly what you mean..... I've been flying the Mossie almost always for Fighter/Attacker sorties this tour and twice this month I've gotten PM's about the dead guy sending the video in to HTC.
I get called a cheater almost every day when flying the A20. :)
Current Tour:
Mossie K/D 0.94
LLogann K/D in Mossie 3.23
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LMAO..... I know exactly what you mean..... I've been flying the Mossie almost always for Fighter/Attacker sorties this tour and twice this month I've gotten PM's about the dead guy sending the video in to HTC.
Current Tour:
Mossie K/D 0.94
LLogann K/D in Mossie 3.23
You should send akatkr and Dedner thank you cards. :D
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Sweet! Great shot Larry! :aok Hate it when you do that to me! :)
I did not think it was a HO, and I know how to HO. :D I think Slapshot called it right on.
(http://www.332nd.org/dogs/daddog/larry.jpg)
That shot doesnt account for strip going over 300 mph when the shot happened...........Strip "tried" avioding the shot and it failed, was no "nice shot" quite weak if it were in a fighter. Im really surprised by some in here who think this shot was "good".
EDIT: Did all that judged the shot even watch the film? If not please watch the film while looking at the speeds, strip was definately making some attempt to aviod.
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Totally a ho dude
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That shot doesnt account for strip going over 300 mph when the shot happened...........Strip "tried" avioding the shot and it failed, was no "nice shot" quite weak if it were in a fighter. Im really surprised by some in here who think this shot was "good".
EDIT: Did all that judged the shot even watch the film? If not please watch the film while looking at the speeds, strip was definately making some attempt to aviod.
I watched it for sure Junky and i have to say was pretty dumb of strip to pull up to Larry in the first place then break off at last second not a Ho :aok
Strip no offense bud just pointing it out
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Using the HO as a defense. Forcing you to either give up position or take a cheap shot.
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That shot doesnt account for strip going over 300 mph when the shot happened...........Strip "tried" avioding the shot and it failed, was no "nice shot" quite weak if it were in a fighter. Im really surprised by some in here who think this shot was "good".
EDIT: Did all that judged the shot even watch the film? If not please watch the film while looking at the speeds, strip was definately making some attempt to aviod.
I guess you can see the camps split fairly evenly between those that thinks its a forced HO (with Strip trying to avoid) and those that think its a fair "front deflection" shot.
Which pretty much explains to me why every second plane I merge with in the MA tries to HO me. ;)
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Totally a ho dude
noob opinions don't count.
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strip flew right into those easily avoidable shots and whined about it out of frustration. At least strip should have whipped out some fancy flying stuff and made it difficult for larry, but instead strip flew a very predictable flight path and Larry nicely compensated for the pony speed and just lit strip up. Good shooting Larry.
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If someone is lining you up for the HO , one of the best ways to avoid it is dive under their nose to make their shot as difficult as possible.
Learn = Thats exactly what strip did and Larry lit him up. People that fly predicatable flight paths like that and then whine when they get hammered really need to step up to the plate and learn some combat manoevering. Those are the people that need to stop expecting others to step down to their game.
There are some people in this game that simply cannot be killed in the head on pass because they know how to maneover into the merge thereby making aimed shots next to impossible. strips flying in that film was completely predictable and thats why he got smoked.
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Learn = Thats exactly what strip did and Larry lit him up. People that fly predicatable flight paths like that and then whine when they get hammered really need to step up to the plate and learn some combat manoevering. Those are the people that need to stop expecting others to step down to their game.
There are some people in this game that simply cannot be killed in the head on pass because they know how to maneover into the merge thereby making aimed shots next to impossible. strips flying in that film was completely predictable and thats why he got smoked.
thank you for the flight instruction
So he didn't dodge the HO well enough is what you are saying. I actually agree - he was late to pick it up and moved late - he probably expected an experienced pilot to have something to offer other than the HO , I find that sort of expectation only dissappoints me . I would have expected Truekill to go for that shot.
And seeing you quoted me - I said "one" of the best - not only, and diving under their nose can be done several ways that aren't predictable at all.
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Dont you get it, I don't care about your little shenanigans.....
Strip
BTW it's you're not your.
nice try Larry. not quite, but maybe next time.
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:huh
:rofl