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Title: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: Swoop on February 06, 2010, 05:32:20 PM
.....for the very first time, what order would you play them the films?

The subject in this case is 6 years old.


Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: PhantomBarron on February 06, 2010, 05:36:10 PM
Uh I would start with the first one.
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: Banshee7 on February 06, 2010, 05:36:54 PM
Isn't the first one really the last one?  I have only watched 2 Star Wars movies, so IDK.
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: Becinhu on February 06, 2010, 05:44:46 PM
The 1st one is the Fourth one.
 :noid
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: texastc316 on February 06, 2010, 05:49:29 PM
the first one, from 78. then the next one. Then stop. Keep the Muppets out of Star Wars, they belong in AH  :bolt:
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: trax1 on February 06, 2010, 06:03:31 PM
Definitely start with episode 4.
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: CptTrips on February 06, 2010, 06:08:46 PM
IV, V, VI,......(lets just stop there shall we.)

 :rolleyes:,
Wab
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: Estes on February 06, 2010, 06:09:08 PM
Aah thats a tough call. Even though I really dont care for the prequels at all, they will probably fill in the plot and any questions that would arise. Let us know which order you do choose though.

You could say "This is how we all had to watch them." and then show them in that order.

As an alternative, you could show him family guys blue harvest. But thats likely not appropriate for that age. :)
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: trax1 on February 06, 2010, 06:13:10 PM

As an alternative, you could show him family guys blue harvest. But thats likely not appropriate for that age. :)
Don't forget Something Something Something Dark Side. :aok
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: Anaxogoras on February 06, 2010, 06:13:41 PM
IV, V, VI,......(lets just stop there shall we.)

 :rolleyes:,
Wab

+1
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: 1701E on February 06, 2010, 06:14:22 PM
"As an alternative, you could show him family guys blue harvest. But thats likely not appropriate for that age."

Don't forget 'Something Something Dark Side'. :D  "No vacuuming while I'm doing the Hologram thing!"


As for the order, I would say 4, 5, 6 and skip 1-3, they were (personally) just bad and 4-6 explains most everything decently. :)
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: MadHatter on February 06, 2010, 06:51:59 PM
He might like Episode 1 because of the kid Anakin and the mutated frog/rabbit thing, but I'd start with Episode 4
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: Saxman on February 06, 2010, 06:54:58 PM
I would show him the Original Trilogy. And I mean the ORIGINAL Trilogy, before George went and mangled it (love that two-disc edition. Although I DO wish they'd have at least used the THX remasters on it....). They're on their own if they want to watch the Prequels. I'm probably going to burn my copies....
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: APDrone on February 06, 2010, 07:05:16 PM

Episode 4, definitely

Otherwise, you lose a lot of the effect of the movie experience.  Who was this Obi Wan fellow and where did he come from?.. what were the Jedi like?, .. etc.  Learning that through the eyes of Luke was a big part of the attraction.

And, of course, the impact of Darth being 'big daddy'. Still remember when that line hit in the theatre.. Whoa...

 
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: BoilerDown on February 06, 2010, 10:08:42 PM
Is it your 6-year-old?  If not, then do an experiment for us, and start at 1, and find out the reaction, and report back here.  If it IS your 6-year-old, raise him or her right and start with Episode 4, and end it there until they're 13.
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: Golfer on February 06, 2010, 10:26:01 PM
When you get to Return of the Jedi it might be that time to talk about the birds and the bees when he asks about that tingle he's feeling.

(http://clonelegends.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/lmb.jpg)
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: CptTrips on February 06, 2010, 10:50:37 PM
When you get to Return of the Jedi it might be that time to talk about the birds and the bees when he asks about that tingle he's feeling.

(http://clonelegends.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/lmb.jpg)


My light-saber just extended.   

:x,
Wab
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: Strip on February 06, 2010, 10:57:29 PM
Put it away before you hurt yourself, or worse, someone else...

I played with mine to long, ended up with a three year old, a growth on my wallet and a mortgage payment.

I guess it wasn't so bad, I did get a beautiful kid out of the deal!

 :D

Strip
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: Ruler2 on February 06, 2010, 11:26:03 PM
Put it away before you hurt yourself, or worse, someone else...

I played with mine to long, ended up with a three year old, a growth on my wallet and a mortgage payment.

I guess it wasn't so bad, I did get a beautiful kid out of the deal!
 :D

Strip

I thought you said it was a growth on your wallet, growths aren't very attractive from what I have seen...

I don't believe I've seen the entire first star wars myself  :(  I went 2,5,6,1,3. lol
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: Serenity on February 06, 2010, 11:54:50 PM
As a devout Star Wars nerd, I can say with certainty, go IV, V, VI, I, II, III
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: Plawranc on February 07, 2010, 01:42:45 AM
(http://www.cine-collector.com/catalog/images/padme4.jpg)

Sorry Carrie does not cut it.
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: cactuskooler on February 07, 2010, 02:53:24 AM
Ahh a question I've pondered many times. I'd go with the original trilogy so he can take it in the same way the rest of the world did. Also a six year old might get a bigger kick from the explosions/eyecandy in the prequels, leaving him without the desire to sit through them old movies.
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: Swoop on February 07, 2010, 07:13:10 AM
Is it your 6-year-old?  If not, then do an experiment for us, and start at 1, and find out the reaction, and report back here. 

Now that is a good idea.

No he's not mine, nothing to do with me at all other than I know his mother.  Good idea boiler, I'll let you know......

Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: Ghosth on February 07, 2010, 07:16:04 AM
Original trilogy first by all means.

I just wish Lucas hadn't been a lazy SOB and that he'd given us all 9 episodes as they were originally planned.
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: Latrobe on February 07, 2010, 07:25:51 AM
I'd just show them the rolling text at the beginning of each movie.
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: curry1 on February 07, 2010, 04:07:37 PM
the first one, from 78. then the next one. Then stop. Keep the Muppets out of Star Wars, they belong in AH  :bolt:
Umm 77 and i wasnt even alive and i know this
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: Vulcan on February 07, 2010, 06:57:44 PM
The Clone Wars cartoons are a good place to start for a youngen.
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: Serenity on February 07, 2010, 07:00:15 PM
The Clone Wars cartoons are a good place to start for a youngen.

NO! NO! NO! Don't ever let him watch those! They go against cannon in so bloody many ways I cannot even look at the ads for them without wanting to PUKE!
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: Enker on February 07, 2010, 07:00:41 PM
the first one, from 78. then the next one. Then stop. Keep the Muppets out of Star Wars, they belong in AH  :bolt:
But but but, if you are removing the Muppets, then what about all that storyline in Episodes V and VI that we have to skip! What would The Empire Strikes Back be without Yoda?

NO! NO! NO! Don't ever let him watch those! They go against cannon in so bloody many ways I cannot even look at the ads for them without wanting to PUKE!
This.
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: Hoffman on February 07, 2010, 07:49:09 PM
Save the kid the nightmares.  Explain to him/her that episodes 1-3 do not exist, the cartoons do not exist, the only Star Wars ever made were episodes 4, 5 and 6.
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: Saxman on February 07, 2010, 08:33:15 PM
Save the kid the nightmares.  Explain to him/her that episodes 1-3 do not exist, the cartoons do not exist, the only Star Wars ever made were episodes 4, 5 and 6.


The asterik I'd put next to that is: Heir to the Empire, Dark Force Rising, The Last Command, Specter of the Past and Vision of the Future.
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: Serenity on February 07, 2010, 11:54:17 PM
The asterik I'd put next to that is: Heir to the Empire, Dark Force Rising, The Last Command, Specter of the Past and Vision of the Future.

But in this, we are talking about books.

Get the kid into Star Wars books! I have read dozens and DOZENS of Star Wars novels since I first discovered them in middle school. Filled an entire book case! In fact, I would say I have more Star Wars books than military, school, text, and casual reading books combined! They will definitely get the kid hooked on reading!
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: Saxman on February 08, 2010, 07:37:37 AM
But in this, we are talking about books.

Get the kid into Star Wars books! I have read dozens and DOZENS of Star Wars novels since I first discovered them in middle school. Filled an entire book case! In fact, I would say I have more Star Wars books than military, school, text, and casual reading books combined! They will definitely get the kid hooked on reading!

NO! The ONLY ones worth opening are Zahns from the Bantam run. I'll add the X-wing novels as well, but the rest are absolute garbage. And Kevin J. Anderson is the devil.
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: gyrene81 on February 08, 2010, 08:47:10 AM
It's a 6 year old...start with Episode One - The Phantom Menace...all the new CGI and different characters will get the kids attention better than starting with the original trilogy and you won't confuse the kid.
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: MadHatter on February 08, 2010, 11:09:05 AM
NO! The ONLY ones worth opening are Zahns from the Bantam run. I'll add the X-wing novels as well, but the rest are absolute garbage. And Kevin J. Anderson is the devil.

LOL, hey, I liked the Anderson novels. It's amazing tho how this universe keeps growing. Chewies dead, Jacen going to the dark side, His sister is a bug...weird. But either way, I heard they were going to start pushing the novels out into a TV series. Can anyone confirm that?
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: Saxman on February 08, 2010, 12:06:40 PM
LOL, hey, I liked the Anderson novels. It's amazing tho how this universe keeps growing. Chewies dead, Jacen going to the dark side, His sister is a bug...weird. But either way, I heard they were going to start pushing the novels out into a TV series. Can anyone confirm that?

I haven't read anything after NJO. I wish I hadn't even read THAT far. Awful.
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: Serenity on February 08, 2010, 03:53:34 PM
NO! The ONLY ones worth opening are Zahns from the Bantam run. I'll add the X-wing novels as well, but the rest are absolute garbage. And Kevin J. Anderson is the devil.

Oh, mine are limited to the time period between ANH and BEFORE the New Jedi Order and the Yuuzhan Vong. I stopped there, as it just gets weird. The Zahn ones are my favorite, though there are some other authors with some great additions.
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: Bosco123 on February 08, 2010, 04:24:50 PM
Uh I would start with the first one.
+1
the third one is the newest one. Or Episode 3 if you want to call it right lol.

<S>
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: Saxman on February 08, 2010, 04:51:30 PM
Oh, mine are limited to the time period between ANH and BEFORE the New Jedi Order and the Yuuzhan Vong. I stopped there, as it just gets weird. The Zahn ones are my favorite, though there are some other authors with some great additions.

Truce at Bakura was ok, and I did love the X-wing novels (I, Jedi was good, too). I also liked Truce at Bakura and Shadows of the Empire.

Courtship of Princess Leia was just WEIRD.
Kevin J. Anderson can just plain suck it. Daala is one of the WORST villains EVER. She wasn't evil, she just was just PMSing REALLY bad. The only thing he did right was starting the write-out of Callista (see below).
The "Callista Trilogy" wasn't worth the time (and the abbreviation for Planet of Twilight was quite appropriate. I think the writer was on it at the time).
If it didn't have "Star Wars" in the name I wouldn't have thought Black Fleet Crisis were even Star Wars novels at all. NOTHING felt right, particularly the way he handled the military organization.
Corellian Trilogy was ok, but not great.
New Rebellion was pretty bad.
Crystal Star was just AWFUL. WORST BOOK I'VE EVER READ.
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: Saurdaukar on February 08, 2010, 05:02:32 PM
.....for the very first time, what order would you play them the films?

The subject in this case is 6 years old.

IV, V, VI.

I, II and III don't exist. 
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: Scherf on February 08, 2010, 06:53:42 PM
Yeah, they had III on the tube down here on Sunday (Revenge of the Sith? Return of the Sith?)


Gawd, what an unrelentingly crap-tacular, steaming piloe of garbage.
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: Serenity on February 08, 2010, 08:36:25 PM
Truce at Bakura was ok, and I did love the X-wing novels (I, Jedi was good, too). I also liked Truce at Bakura and Shadows of the Empire.

Courtship of Princess Leia was just WEIRD.
Kevin J. Anderson can just plain suck it. Daala is one of the WORST villains EVER. She wasn't evil, she just was just PMSing REALLY bad. The only thing he did right was starting the write-out of Callista (see below).
The "Callista Trilogy" wasn't worth the time (and the abbreviation for Planet of Twilight was quite appropriate. I think the writer was on it at the time).
If it didn't have "Star Wars" in the name I wouldn't have thought Black Fleet Crisis were even Star Wars novels at all. NOTHING felt right, particularly the way he handled the military organization.
Corellian Trilogy was ok, but not great.
New Rebellion was pretty bad.
Crystal Star was just AWFUL. WORST BOOK I'VE EVER READ.

Black Fleet, I thought, was rather interesting. It could have been done better, but the subject matter particularly intruiged me. I have never been even remotely interested in the Jedi story lines. I prefer the fleet deals. Have you read the Han Solo trilogy? Or the Tales books?
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: Saxman on February 09, 2010, 12:19:46 AM
The problem with Black Fleet Crisis is that he completely disregarded the fact that MacDowell ignored material established by ALL sources prior to his trilogy and did his own thing with no real explanation on why the entire fleet was suddenly organized along COMPLETELY different lines. Fleets and starfighter squadrons in Star Wars are organized under completely different rules from any navy we're familiar with, and these rules were established LONG before MacDowell started his trilogy.

I've read a couple of the "Tales" books, but nothing that was written prior to Zahn's first trilogy.
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: Mano on February 09, 2010, 12:21:11 PM
Show 'em Episode IV first.

Darth being a smartarse !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0rN-KG0zNw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0rN-KG0zNw)

 :rock
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: CptTrips on February 09, 2010, 01:27:42 PM

This ought to be good:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aoc3roT81nU&fmt=22

 :lol,
Wab
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: Ack-Ack on February 09, 2010, 02:22:48 PM
Start him off with A New Hope, hopefully the original version this way you won't have to explain that Han Solo really did shoot first.


ack-ack
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: Serenity on February 09, 2010, 03:57:49 PM
Han Solo really did shoot first.


ack-ack

QFT
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: Babalonian on February 09, 2010, 07:19:52 PM
.....for the very first time, what order would you play them the films?

The subject in this case is 6 years old.




Episode I, and take notes.  My friend and I are looking forward to the day we get to sit with his 3-yo nephew through them.  We figure that he'll actually enjoy the first three about as equally as the last three.  To us, the last three are "as good as you can get" while the more recent first three episodes "fall short but are half-decent contributions".  We actually rate the animated Clone Wars sagas being played on TV right now higher than the first three episodes... too bad it's very youth-tuned though, would of loved to of seen it as a HBO TV series.
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: Penguin on February 09, 2010, 07:43:29 PM
LOL, hey, I liked the Anderson novels. It's amazing tho how this universe keeps growing. Chewies dead, Jacen going to the dark side, His sister is a bug...weird. But either way, I heard they were going to start pushing the novels out into a TV series. Can anyone confirm that?

I can imagine that, he was always too agressive to be a Jedi.  The dark side, eat him up it did.  In his sparring with Anakin, he was always choppy, angry, and agressive.  He was too concerned with mastering the weapon part of being a Jedi Knight, just like his grandpa.

Old Destrillion+Chewie+Dovin Basal=Best comedic character OWNED by "13 trillion tons of danger"(Han Solo).

So the bugs can use the force too?  Wait wait wait, it said in Vector Prime that the Bugs couldn't use the force, that they were completely unable to register with it, even animals and plants could be sensed by a Jedi (got that from research).  Too weird, I've gotta read the book that has that part in it.

-Penguin



Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: RightF00T on February 09, 2010, 08:24:16 PM
Tales of The Bounty Hunters was pretty good...
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: Serenity on February 09, 2010, 09:08:52 PM
Episode I

May I remind you, by starting with the first three, you are cutting the legs out from under the biggest plot twist of the century...






"Luke... I am your father!"

"That's not true! THATS IMPOSSIBLE!"

(Yeah, i could probably quote that movie verbatim.)
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: Saxman on February 09, 2010, 10:37:02 PM
May I remind you, by starting with the first three, you are cutting the legs out from under the biggest plot twist of the century...






"Luke... I am your father!"

"That's not true! THATS IMPOSSIBLE!"

(Yeah, i could probably quote that movie verbatim.)

Too bad you just used the legendary MISquote. ;)

Vader: Obi-Wan never told you what happened to your father.
Luke: He told me enough! He told me YOU killed him!
Vader: No. *I* am your father.
Luke: Noooo! That's not true! That's IMPOSSIBLE!
Vader: Search your feelings, you KNOW it to be true!
Luke: NOOOOOO!

Anyone who says Hamil can't act needs to be sat down and forced to watch that scene over and over.

Although IMO the best out of ALL the lightsaber duels was Return of the Jedi's. You could just FEEL the way Luke and Vader were not just dueling with their weapons, but with their WILLS as each tried to turn the other: Luke to redeem his father, Vader to draw his son to the Dark Side. There was an emotional stake in that battle that the prequels never even came close to matching
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: Serenity on February 09, 2010, 11:37:27 PM
Too bad you just used the legendary MISquote. ;)

Vader: Obi-Wan never told you what happened to your father.
Luke: He told me enough! He told me YOU killed him!
Vader: No. *I* am your father.
Luke: Noooo! That's not true! That's IMPOSSIBLE!
Vader: Search your feelings, you KNOW it to be true!
Luke: NOOOOOO!

Anyone who says Hamil can't act needs to be sat down and forced to watch that scene over and over.

Although IMO the best out of ALL the lightsaber duels was Return of the Jedi's. You could just FEEL the way Luke and Vader were not just dueling with their weapons, but with their WILLS as each tried to turn the other: Luke to redeem his father, Vader to draw his son to the Dark Side. There was an emotional stake in that battle that the prequels never even came close to matching

Sax, that was changed in the Digital Remastered Collector's Edition Box Set :)

And yes, Hamil is a GREAT actor. When he can go from a movie like Star Wars to Jay and Silent Bob, and be just as serious in both.
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: Saxman on February 09, 2010, 11:59:08 PM
Nope. Vader NEVER said, "Luke, I am your father" on any version. Lucas didn't change any dialog in the Original Trilogy with the THX Remastered version. This didn't occur until the Special Edition was released in theaters, and it was only a few throwaway lines, none of the major dialog (well, not until Lucas meddled with the conversation between Vader and the Emperor in the ESB DVD).

If I were to make an "ultimate edition" Original Trilogy, I'd start with the pre-Special Edition THX remaster, add the two restored scenes from the ANH DVD (Han encounters Jabba outside the Falcon and Luke talking with Biggs and Red Leader just before taking off from Yavin) and leave everything else as it was in the original.
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: mensa180 on February 10, 2010, 12:49:51 AM
I would have all movies playing on TVs in front of them simultaneously. 
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: Serenity on February 10, 2010, 02:52:12 AM
Nope. Vader NEVER said, "Luke, I am your father" on any version. Lucas didn't change any dialog in the Original Trilogy with the THX Remastered version. This didn't occur until the Special Edition was released in theaters, and it was only a few throwaway lines, none of the major dialog (well, not until Lucas meddled with the conversation between Vader and the Emperor in the ESB DVD).

If I were to make an "ultimate edition" Original Trilogy, I'd start with the pre-Special Edition THX remaster, add the two restored scenes from the ANH DVD (Han encounters Jabba outside the Falcon and Luke talking with Biggs and Red Leader just before taking off from Yavin) and leave everything else as it was in the original.

You liked the speech with Jabba? I thought that was some of the wort CG I have ever seen.
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: Saxman on February 10, 2010, 07:40:38 AM
It was MUCH better done in the DVD version of ANH (thus why I specified the ANH DVD).
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: caldera on February 10, 2010, 09:30:27 AM
Too bad you just used the legendary MISquote. ;)

Vader: Obi-Wan never told you what happened to your father.
Luke: He told me enough! He told me YOU killed him!
Vader: No. *I* am your father.
Luke: Noooo! That's not true! That's IMPOSSIBLE!
Vader: Search your feelings, you KNOW it to be true![
Luke: NOOOOOO!

Anyone who says Hamil can't act needs to be sat down and forced to watch that scene over and over.

Although IMO the best out of ALL the lightsaber duels was Return of the Jedi's. You could just FEEL the way Luke and Vader were not just dueling with their weapons, but with their WILLS as each tried to turn the other: Luke to redeem his father, Vader to draw his son to the Dark Side. There was an emotional stake in that battle that the prequels never even came close to matching



I always thought Vader said "Search your feelings, you know it be true." - kinda old timey outter space english.  ;)  He is very slow and deliberate with his lines and nowhere else do his words run so close together (if you are correct).  I played the clip back several times and it is inconclusive whether he says to or not.
 
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: Serenity on February 10, 2010, 02:54:46 PM
It was MUCH better done in the DVD version of ANH (thus why I specified the ANH DVD).

I've got DVDs and VHS. Neither are even decent IMHO in regards to that one scene.
Title: Re: If you were going to introduce someone to Star Wars......
Post by: texasmom on February 14, 2010, 12:58:20 PM
As a devout Star Wars nerd, I can say with certainty, go IV, V, VI, I, II, III

Same... except maybe the devout nerd part.