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Title: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Urchin on February 17, 2010, 05:19:20 PM
I hate for this to sound like a complaint, but will there be continued development in the WW2 planeset?  There are still some planes that would make for great additions to fill out the scenario planeset, even if there really isn't anything left that would see use in the MA's. 

Just off the top of my head, the Japanese planeset could use the Ki-27, Ki-43, Ki-44, and Ki-45, along with the G4M "Betty". 

The British could use the Beaufighter and a couple different marks of the Mosquito at least.

The Russian planeset could be filled out in the early war with an early Yak and a MiG. 

The only missing plane that I think would see any significant use in the MA is the P-63, that could also be used in a few 1945 scenarios.
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Yeager on February 17, 2010, 05:23:52 PM
No dummy.  HTC is going on on permanent vacation as soon as the next update is released  :rolleyes:

Not to come off as indignant but do you really think they are done with WW2?
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Shuffler on February 17, 2010, 05:26:10 PM
I'm sure there will be more developement. It'll probably be slowed by the WWI package though.
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Lusche on February 17, 2010, 05:27:02 PM
even if there really isn't anything left that would see use in the MA's. 

There's a lot left that would see use. Perhaps just nothing that will get used like the P-51 or Spit XVI, but good usage nevertheless (even in LW), for example:

- German med/heavy bomber like He 177, Do 217 or Ju 188 (would really fill a gap, particularly for all those Luftwaffe squads)
- Mossie variants
- Russian bombers (there are some very capable out there)
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Kazaa on February 17, 2010, 05:31:59 PM
Couple more late war monsters are on the top of my list.

The Few's new toy is already on it's way. :x

(http://www.raf.mod.uk/downloads/wallpapers/1945/meteor3s1024.jpg)

Could you imagine the bragging rights AH2 would have if we really had the Meteor.
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Ack-Ack on February 17, 2010, 05:32:48 PM
I hate for this to sound like a complaint, but will there be continued development in the WW2 planeset?  There are still some planes that would make for great additions to fill out the scenario planeset, even if there really isn't anything left that would see use in the MA's. 

Just off the top of my head, the Japanese planeset could use the Ki-27, Ki-43, Ki-44, and Ki-45, along with the G4M "Betty". 

The British could use the Beaufighter and a couple different marks of the Mosquito at least.

The Russian planeset could be filled out in the early war with an early Yak and a MiG. 

The only missing plane that I think would see any significant use in the MA is the P-63, that could also be used in a few 1945 scenarios.

Considering that the WWI arena is also going to be used as a de facto test server for new content (such as the revised/updated damage model), I would venture a guess that the answer is "No", they are not done with the continued development of WW2 content.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Sunka on February 17, 2010, 05:54:18 PM
Considering that the WWI arena is also going to be used as a de facto test server for new content (such as the revised/updated damage model),


ack-ack
Which is the best part of this whole next update!!!(I'm very exited) :x
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Urchin on February 17, 2010, 06:01:31 PM
No dummy.  HTC is going on on permanent vacation as soon as the next update is released  :rolleyes:

Not to come off as indignant but do you really think they are done with WW2?

I didn't say they were going on permanent vacation, nor was that implied anywhere in my post.  My thinking is more along the lines of "Well, we've added everything that'll see any use, so it is on to a different timeframe" sort of thing.  Don't get me wrong, the WW1 arena might be right up my alley, not being big on the hording landgrab, but I've always had a lot more interest in WW2 air combat.
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: lyric1 on February 17, 2010, 06:04:08 PM
The Few's new toy is already on it's way. :x

(http://www.raf.mod.uk/downloads/wallpapers/1945/meteor3s1024.jpg)

Fact or rumor mill?
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: oboe on February 17, 2010, 06:23:19 PM
I hope they get back to WWII development.  I'm happy enough for the WWI fans to get a sandbox to play in, but I'd really like to see the WWII planeset filled out and am especially anxious to see continued updates of the existing planes.   The Zeke, the B-26, the P-40, etc, all have primitive artwork compared to the new standard.
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: texastc316 on February 17, 2010, 06:37:35 PM
I'm expecting some awesome fokker skins from our skinners. Hint hint
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Bruv119 on February 18, 2010, 12:11:01 AM
I hear you urchin,   it bugs me also that there are so many WW2 planes that can be added and are needed to fill HUGE gaps in the current planeset!

Another german bomber HE-112 / Do217
russian level bomber   pe2 / Tu-2
Japanese   g4m2 betty.

Then loads of fighter / attack aircraft,    beaufighter / ME410, yak-3, A26, mossie remodel / variants,  spit mk XII,  ki-43 oscar,

This lot is just for starters  :aok
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Yeager on February 18, 2010, 12:35:13 AM
I hope they get back to WWII development.  I'm happy enough for the WWI fans to get a sandbox to play in, but I'd really like to see the WWII planeset filled out and am especially anxious to see continued updates of the existing planes.   The Zeke, the B-26, the P-40, etc, all have primitive artwork compared to the new standard.
If you could see things from a little different perspective you would see the WW1 development for exactly what it is: the VEW Very Early War Arena and the four additional planes as just that, FOUR ADDITIONAL PLANES.  But go ahead and drive wedges into the larger community.  Do you remember the Late War Whiners going on about how useless the Brewster and I-16 were going to be (for THEM).  Those are two fun and historically significant planes.  Just like the next four planes coming down the pipe.

My point is its all Air Combat.  Its ALL GOOD.

Lastly, HTC has years and years of work left to do.  Those guy can retire on this and pass the business on to their kids.

Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Guppy35 on February 18, 2010, 01:12:33 AM
About that Beaufighter :)

(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/TFmk10.jpg)
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: cactuskooler on February 18, 2010, 01:55:25 AM
About that Beaufighter :)

Sounds like a fine addition, right after the P-38H. ;) If they can slip in a quick P-47M, then the 38H should be no problem!
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: dhyran on February 18, 2010, 02:27:23 AM
well,  headscratch

i don't like the ww1 modells, the fokker looks damn ugly. I got Rise of Flight, which got a big lack of online gaming(they still working on a MMO arena) but the Graphics and the FM are outstanding!!!!!!

So i hope after all the lost years with the combat tour, now the ongoing ww1 stuff HTC will go back and concentrate on WW2, thats what most ppl are paying for

 Sad

Well instead of the ww1 i just dream about the

yak 3
He111
Ki 43 & Ki 100
selectable clipped wing option for spit 8 & 14, 16
DO217
109G10

and also tune up the bomb explosions, more different explosions when planes went down in flames, different rockets explosions and much more for better graphics

all these thing could be done...... damn ww1  :furious
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Scherf on February 18, 2010, 04:00:31 AM
What *I* wants is new gameage!

Ho, yes! With strats an supplies, an artillerary (*especially* artillerary), an trains an barges an ships!

And AI. Let's not forget dat AI! For lots and lots o scorts and HQ deeeee-fence and rear-area communications and transport and training!




Did I mention artillerary?


 :airplane:
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: oboe on February 18, 2010, 05:48:07 AM
If you could see things from a little different perspective you would see the WW1 development for exactly what it is: the VEW Very Early War Arena and the four additional planes as just that, FOUR ADDITIONAL PLANES.  But go ahead and drive wedges into the larger community.  Do you remember the Late War Whiners going on about how useless the Brewster and I-16 were going to be (for THEM).  Those are two fun and historically significant planes.  Just like the next four planes coming down the pipe.

My point is its all Air Combat.  Its ALL GOOD.

Lastly, HTC has years and years of work left to do.  Those guy can retire on this and pass the business on to their kids.



No intent to drive a wedge in the community, which is why I expressed my happiness for WWI fans (who may also be WWII fans as well) getting stuff.   Agree on the goodness of air combat and the amount of work HTC has left.   <S>
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Yeager on February 18, 2010, 09:34:54 AM

So i hope after all the lost years with the combat tour, now the ongoing ww1 stuff HTC will go back and concentrate on WW2, thats what most ppl are paying for

 Sad

all these thing could be done...... damn ww1  :furious

All those lost years?  huh?

What is really sad is your attitude.  But you certainly are not alone with that garbage.  Most people, as you refer to them, are in the game simply for the late war set mid 1944 to mid 1945, more specifically anything uber fast and/or with four 20mm uber cannon.  

HTC could have had this myopic and ultimately stuffingly BORING game wrapped up years ago if that is all they wanted to do.  THANK GOD they have more vision than you do.

Rgr Oboe <S>!  
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Superfly on February 18, 2010, 09:55:10 AM
No, we're going to stop putting our effort into our bread and butter, and do a game about unicorns!  We're going to have a new *look*, and it'll be EXTREEEEEEEEME!  Like recycling and skateboarding.
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: grizz441 on February 18, 2010, 09:56:46 AM
No, we're going to stop putting our effort into our bread and butter, and do a game about unicorns!  We're going to have a new *look*, and it'll be EXTREEEEEEEEME!  Like recycling and skateboarding.

Will this new game be phifteen dollerz a month 2 or will it be includedz with teh game with all the airplaneZ?
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: SEraider on February 18, 2010, 09:59:09 AM
I would venture a guess that the answer is "No", they are not done with the continued development of WW2 content.


ack-ack

Does that mean we'll eventually see the B-29?  :O  :lol

Poor HTC, if there are not enough planes, people want new maps too.  I feel for you guys at HTC (no i'm not looking for a job there).   :cheers:
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: FLS on February 18, 2010, 10:23:15 AM
Perk the unicorn!

I suppose if you spend 10 years working on WW2 aircraft you might enjoy modeling WW1 aircraft for a change.   :D

Thanks again, they all look great.



Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Shuffler on February 18, 2010, 10:35:47 AM
If you could see things from a little different perspective you would see the WW1 development for exactly what it is: the VEW Very Early War Arena and the four additional planes as just that, FOUR ADDITIONAL PLANES.  But go ahead and drive wedges into the larger community.  Do you remember the Late War Whiners going on about how useless the Brewster and I-16 were going to be (for THEM).  Those are two fun and historically significant planes.  Just like the next four planes coming down the pipe.

My point is its all Air Combat.  Its ALL GOOD.

Lastly, HTC has years and years of work left to do.  Those guy can retire on this and pass the business on to their kids.



umm a wedge always from the top down not the other way.  :aok



No, we're going to stop putting our effort into our bread and butter, and do a game about unicorns!

Wooohoooo Charrrrliiieeeee.... Candy Mountain  :D
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: SunBat on February 18, 2010, 10:48:03 AM
No, we're going to stop putting our effort into our bread and butter, and do a game about unicorns!  We're going to have a new *look*, and it'll be EXTREEEEEEEEME!  Like recycling and skateboarding.

What is the B-29 equivalent of a unicorn?  I just want to get my request in now for whatever it is that is a b-29 unicorn.  k? K. Thanks. K. 
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: jollyFE on February 18, 2010, 10:54:29 AM
wow.......didn't take long for the 111 to show up in this thread. The Beaufighter is quite possibly the ugliest acft I have seen in quite some time.

I'd rather have nukes and the B-29.
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: BillyD on February 18, 2010, 11:09:15 AM
I'm expecting some awesome fokker skins from our skinners. Hint hint


"Are you a pothead Fokker?"
 :D    like that skin isn't already awesome!


Now for you SAPP guys how bout the P61? That would be sick......


Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: dhyran on February 18, 2010, 11:11:24 AM
All those lost years?  huh?

What is really sad is your attitude.  But you certainly are not alone with that garbage.  Most people, as you refer to them, are in the game simply for the late war set mid 1944 to mid 1945, more specifically anything uber fast and/or with four 20mm uber cannon.  

HTC could have had this myopic and ultimately stuffingly BORING game wrapped up years ago if that is all they wanted to do.  THANK GOD they have more vision than you do.

Rgr Oboe <S>!  

well, without wanted to put it on a personal flamewar, i love this damn game! BUT i simply think HTC spend too much time into the project combat tour which never saw a release. And from 2003 til last year when the graphical update came out only plnaes were added but not moch more!

The KI 43 was also ready in 1939! Sure yak 3 is a late one but maybe you would like to think and read twice next time!
When you read my posting up there again, you should realise that a HE 111 isnt a late war plane, it was the first developed german bomber in 1935!

anyhow. i would like to see more ongoing WW2 stuff instead of the WW1 scenery, just my personal opinion, not less and not more
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: waystin2 on February 18, 2010, 11:52:22 AM
I really hope that HTC does gift us some new WWII toys soon.  I know deep down in my heart that they are close to revealing the Yak-3! :bolt: :D
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Waffle on February 18, 2010, 12:03:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6UWR0kSFcE


snork :lol
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Superfly on February 18, 2010, 12:09:52 PM
i simply think HTC spend too much time into the project combat tour which never saw a release. And from 2003 til last year when the graphical update came out only plnaes were added but not moch more!

I think you need to check your facts.  You act like we purposely worked our butts off on CT just to never release it.  A lot of the stuff that went into CT is now a part of the game.  And, you're telling me for 7 years, we've done nothing, but add planes???  Really?

Let's see:  Vehicles, mission editor, AI planes, zone system, massive cities, several graphic upgrades, player created skins, several arenas...Yup, nothing but planes!
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Ack-Ack on February 18, 2010, 12:12:50 PM
I think you need to check your facts.  You act like we purposely worked our butts off on CT just to never release it.  A lot of the stuff that went into CT is now a part of the game.  And, you're telling me for 7 years, we've done nothing, but add planes???  Really?

Let's see:  Vehicles, mission editor, AI planes, zone system, massive cities, several graphic upgrades, player created skins, several arenas...Yup, nothing but planes!

Slackers.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: 1701E on February 18, 2010, 12:17:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6UWR0kSFcE


snork :lol


Is Skuzzy pink one, or is that HiTech? :devil
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: MORAY37 on February 18, 2010, 12:26:54 PM
player created skins

PLAYER
created skins.  PLAYER created maps.   :aok


Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: LLogann on February 18, 2010, 12:43:33 PM
 :huh
If they can slip in a quick P-47M
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Superfly on February 18, 2010, 12:49:00 PM
Yeah, but we have to approve those skins and maps.  Also, we had to add the ability for players to make skins.  Nothing comes for free!
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: LLogann on February 18, 2010, 12:51:26 PM
Don't sweat those guys BigDaddy...................  After all I doubt Moray ever made anything for the game..... And the fine Gentlemen that do don't complain about it.

Yeah, but we have to approve those skins and maps.  Also, we had to add the ability for players to make skins.  Nothing comes for free!
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Guppy35 on February 18, 2010, 12:55:06 PM

"Are you a pothead Fokker?"
 :D    like that skin isn't already awesome!


Now for you SAPP guys how bout the P61? That would be sick......




Nah, P61 wasn't around long enough.  Beaufighter!  1940-45 all theaters of the war.  4 20s and 6 303s.  Let me have it! :)
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Wmaker on February 18, 2010, 01:10:00 PM
Beaufighter!  1940-45 all theaters of the war.  4 20s and 6 303s.  Let me have it! :)

Nah, no Beaufighter until all the services depicted in AH have their primary fighters modelled.
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Guppy35 on February 18, 2010, 01:15:38 PM
Nah, no Beaufighter until all the services depicted in AH have their primary fighters modelled.

Hey!  We supported your Buffalo wish! :)
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Soulyss on February 18, 2010, 01:20:30 PM
Sounds like a fine addition, right after the P-38H. ;) If they can slip in a quick P-47M, then the 38H should be no problem!

I like the way this guy thinks.
 :)
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: dhyran on February 18, 2010, 01:28:58 PM
I think you need to check your facts.  You act like we purposely worked our butts off on CT just to never release it.  A lot of the stuff that went into CT is now a part of the game.  And, you're telling me for 7 years, we've done nothing, but add planes???  Really?

Let's see:  Vehicles, mission editor, AI planes, zone system, massive cities, several graphic upgrades, player created skins, several arenas...Yup, nothing but planes!

looks like i puished some emotions, sorry, that was not my intention
its all correct superfly, but why building up a WW1 scenery when all is at the market in a superb quallity, game called Rise of flight, amazing graphics, amazing DM and FM too, but poor network modell.
I simply fear you are running into the same trap like wildbild does. I know you hate to read this one, but it looks like the same to me. Instead of concentrating on your main business you start pushing the ww1 stuff. When Rof fixed their probs about missing arena play, there is no doubt it will cost playernumbers, because noone is coming the other way around.
I just don't understand the reasons why?

look here, you cant toppp this one:

(http://www.riseofflight.de/images/update/3.jpg)

or

(http://www.adrianwerner.x.pl/2008/wwi.jpg)

or

(http://www.gamingxp.com/pictures/uploads/rise_of_flight_37.jpg)

or

(http://www.fspilotshop.com/images/rofair_400a_006.jpg)

all in game shots!
I spend lot of hours at Rof, but i am more a WW2 adicted

so why don't HTC concentrate on the WW2 Stuff? Why not focus on that one? i just did'nt get it.............  :(
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Lusche on February 18, 2010, 01:33:04 PM

look here, you cant toppp this one:


Many many players out there (myself included) don't have machines that are able to run ROF at all.
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: fudgums on February 18, 2010, 01:38:35 PM
I can't run RoF at all. I'm just happy I can play Aces High on the settings that allow me too. Aces High is more than planes and the fight, little deeper....
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Waffle on February 18, 2010, 01:38:53 PM
What Lusche said - you'd have to download a DVD's worth of data, as well as the fact that we try to make our product accessible as well as playable to people that don't have this years best computer rig.
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Wmaker on February 18, 2010, 01:40:23 PM
Hey!  We supported your Buffalo wish! :)

 :)

And thank you for that! :)

But you'll have to admit that what I said makes quite a bit of sense at least when it comes to having a planeset with least amount of holes in it. Btw, I've thought like this before we knew Brewster was coming and nothing has changed my thinking since then. I do think that Beaufighter is the next "western allied" aircraft to add based on its production numbers and service. Based on that it deserves to be in AH a lot earlier than my big favourite, Me410 for example. But i also think that there are quite a few Japanese and Soviet a/c to be done long before any new "western allied" WWII aircraft are added to the game.

FWIW, Here's my opinion on how WWII aircraft should be added to AH in the near future:

1.
Ki-43
Pe-2FT
Yak-1b
LaGG-3
G4M2

2.
B6N
D4Y2
He-111
SM.79
Wellington B.Mk III

3.
C.200
Hawk75A
Beaufighter Mk.X
Il-4
Ki-21-IIa

4.
CR.42
I-153
Ju-188
Ki-44
Me 410

Again, just my opinion...but IMO after these it doesn't really matter what gets added. All the major holes that I can see are plugged.
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Yeager on February 18, 2010, 01:50:03 PM
looks like i puished some emotions,

I simply fear you are running into the same trap like wildbild does.

I know you hate to read this one, but it looks like the same to me.

look here, you cant toppp this one:

Those are some fine insults there.  WTG man.
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Superfly on February 18, 2010, 02:01:25 PM
What Waffle said.  I can easily top those graphics.  I am not incompetent in the art department, but thanks for insulting me and everyone else at HTC.  We operate under a different business model.  It's as simple as that.
And, Wildbill....LOL!  You realize HT and Pyro were among the people that CREATED Warbirds, right?  Sudz and I both developed for Warbirds and Dawn of Aces, among other games alongside HT and Pyro.  IEN, or whatever they're called today, destroyed it after we left.
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: hubsonfire on February 18, 2010, 02:03:20 PM
Unicorns would be really sweet.
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Skuzzy on February 18, 2010, 02:07:44 PM
Unicorns would be really sweet.

Sweet huh.  Hey Superfly, I guess we better yank that, "YOU HAVE BEEN SHAFTED!" action from the game.  I think these guys are looking for cookies and cupcakes.
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: LLogann on February 18, 2010, 02:09:19 PM
Hope you don't mind the edit Superfly.  (I'm a business owner myself)  The way I see it, HTC keeps it's doors open for such a larger internet audience comparative to what those other games do, it makes for a far better long term solution.  

 We operate under a BETTER business model.

Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: dhyran on February 18, 2010, 02:22:19 PM
What Waffle said.  I can easily top those graphics.  I am not incompetent in the art department, but thanks for insulting me and everyone else at HTC.  We operate under a different business model.  It's as simple as that.
And, Wildbill....LOL!  You realize HT and Pyro were among the people that CREATED Warbirds, right?  Sudz and I both developed for Warbirds and Dawn of Aces, among other games alongside HT and Pyro.  IEN, or whatever they're called today, destroyed it after we left.

Like i wrote above, i didn't want to hurt anyone or even pump up some bad feeling. If i did, i apology! I am worked in the software industry too, i programmed in assembler during the 80s, first z80 and 6502, later on the M68000. Wrote a lot of landscape fractal routines for the upcoming 3d games. sprite routines etc. Our company got 40 programmers, artwork is done external. I stopped coding 10 years ago, too much high speed networking addicted, we build up a datacenter and i was responsible for the core design. But i know there went more time into the design and bugfix issues than pure coding, doesent matter if you use C++ or other stuff. Once WW1 is up, you need to spend there also time for bugfixes, addons, new terrain and much more, like you did the lasts years at the AH2 ww2 part. So you need to split your programming resources, art and other. that means at the end nothing else, it slows down the ongoing development process right? Maybe you understand a little bit more what i wants to point on.....
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: dhyran on February 18, 2010, 02:28:15 PM
:)

And thank you for that! :)

But you'll have to admit that what I said makes quite a bit of sense at least when it comes to having a planeset with least amount of holes in it. Btw, I've thought like this before we knew Brewster was coming and nothing has changed my thinking since then. I do think that Beaufighter is the next "western allied" aircraft to add based on its production numbers and service. Based on that it deserves to be in AH a lot earlier than my big favourite, Me410 for example. But i also think that there are quite a few Japanese and Soviet a/c to be done long before any new "western allied" WWII aircraft are added to the game.

FWIW, Here's my opinion on how WWII aircraft should be added to AH in the near future:

1.
Ki-43
Pe-2FT
Yak-1b
LaGG-3
G4M2

2.
B6N
D4Y2
He-111
SM.79
Wellington B.Mk III

3.
C.200
Hawk75A
Beaufighter Mk.X
Il-4
Ki-21-IIa

4.
CR.42
I-153
Ju-188
Ki-44
Me 410

Again, just my opinion...but IMO after these it doesn't really matter what gets added. All the major holes that I can see are plugged.

now that would be somthing to go for!  :aok
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Saurdaukar on February 18, 2010, 02:29:47 PM
I hate for this to sound like a complaint, but will there be continued development in the WW2 planeset?  

Of course.

I'm sure the WWI arena will be fun; but the WWII LWMA is still the main attraction.  Abandoning future development would be an enormously silly business decision.

For my own part; there are planes I would like to see added; He-111, Yak-3, MiG-3, Pu-2, Betty, 109GX A/S, etc, etc... but I would *love* to see a continued evolution of the game mechanics.  Gunnery... tracers... hit sprites... the little details that could be made better.
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Ack-Ack on February 18, 2010, 02:59:59 PM
:)

And thank you for that! :)

But you'll have to admit that what I said makes quite a bit of sense at least when it comes to having a planeset with least amount of holes in it. Btw, I've thought like this before we knew Brewster was coming and nothing has changed my thinking since then. I do think that Beaufighter is the next "western allied" aircraft to add based on its production numbers and service. Based on that it deserves to be in AH a lot earlier than my big favourite, Me410 for example. But i also think that there are quite a few Japanese and Soviet a/c to be done long before any new "western allied" WWII aircraft are added to the game.

FWIW, Here's my opinion on how WWII aircraft should be added to AH in the near future:

1.
Ki-43
Pe-2FT
Yak-1b
LaGG-3
G4M2

2.
B6N
D4Y2
He-111
SM.79
Wellington B.Mk III

3.
C.200
Hawk75A
Beaufighter Mk.X
Il-4
Ki-21-IIa

4.
CR.42
I-153
Ju-188
Ki-44
Me 410

Again, just my opinion...but IMO after these it doesn't really matter what gets added. All the major holes that I can see are plugged.

I was willing to support the plane additions you listed but you lost me when I noticed the P-38H isn't listed anywhere on your list. 

ack-ack
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Yeager on February 18, 2010, 03:01:22 PM
that means at the end nothing else, it slows down the ongoing development process right? Maybe you understand a little bit more what i wants to point on.....
No man, its all the same game.  ALL THE SAME GAME.  Just a new VEW (Very Early War) arena with FOUR NEW PLANES.  Oh...and a new damage model.  Really man, stop being so thick.
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Superfly on February 18, 2010, 03:06:04 PM
dhryan, I understand what you're saying about having to give our WWI assets attention, in addition to WWII, but I don't think it's going to be as big of a chunk as you may think.  Initially, we'll have to give it a greater focus just to work out bugs and make sure it's all stable, but it won't slow other things that much.  We oftentimes work on 2 or more projects at once.  For example, while Pyro, Waffle, and I worked on WWI, HT and Sudz worked on strat and other things for the WWII arenas. 
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: LLogann on February 18, 2010, 03:08:43 PM
Lest we forget we will be testing out the new damage model on far more fragile craft.... Thus making it a far better testing stage for such things...............  This will be            Far Better!

At least that's the way I see it......

From a far!    :D
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Shuffler on February 18, 2010, 03:11:02 PM
No man, its all the same game.  ALL THE SAME GAME.  Just a new VEW (Very Early War) arena with FOUR NEW PLANES.  Oh...and a new damage model.  Really man, stop being so thick.

So your saying those planes will be available in LW too?    :neener:
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Lusche on February 18, 2010, 03:12:27 PM
So your saying those planes will be available in LW too?    :neener:

Would be great... finally an opportunity for being called a runtard when flying a D3A  :D
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: jay on February 18, 2010, 03:13:12 PM
i think the meteor should be the last thing ever added to AH horrible plane IMO
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Shuffler on February 18, 2010, 03:18:37 PM
Would be great... finally an opportunity for being called a runtard when flying a D3A  :D

 :rofl     :banana:
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Superfly on February 18, 2010, 03:28:46 PM
I couldn't resist.  :noid

(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/superfly/unicornnook.jpg)
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Lusche on February 18, 2010, 03:29:35 PM
Pure awesomeness!

 :lol
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Yeager on February 18, 2010, 03:36:37 PM
So your saying those planes will be available in LW too?    :neener:
I concede your point ;)

However, the sadist in me thinks it might be an interesting sortie  :rock
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Soulyss on February 18, 2010, 04:48:02 PM
I couldn't resist.  :noid

(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/superfly/unicornnook.jpg)

 :lol

Any chance you can toss in an AH logo, resize and email that to me?  I'd love to use that as my AH splash screen. :D

Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Waffle on February 18, 2010, 04:54:21 PM
thats too mean looking for a unicorn :)

these are better:
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: kilo2 on February 18, 2010, 04:56:09 PM
You guys have really out done yourselves. Those unicorns look awesome.
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: grizz441 on February 18, 2010, 05:04:40 PM
I couldn't resist.  :noid

(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/superfly/unicornnook.jpg)

 :rofl
Unleash the fury!

Need to add small nuclear explosions exploding out of his nostrils, heheh.
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Squire on February 18, 2010, 05:41:39 PM
Guppy, if you fly that low your just going to bend something  ;)
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Ardy123 on February 18, 2010, 05:42:13 PM
screw WWI time for a unicorn/purple pony arena!

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2162/2224202223_33508a03d4.jpg?v=0)
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: 68ZooM on February 18, 2010, 05:45:21 PM
Of course there will be a Axis and Allied variant

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s35/68zoom/unicorns.jpg)
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: SPKmes on February 18, 2010, 05:45:52 PM
screw WWI time for a unicorn/purple pony arena!



Go on.... show us your whole collection
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: morfiend on February 18, 2010, 06:08:13 PM
  Will the "tom cruise" unicorn be perked??

  If not let me be the first.



  Perk the tom cruise it just does everything too good!


    :devil
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: AAJagerX on February 18, 2010, 06:17:15 PM
Wow, no one's mentioned the A-26 yet...  What a BEAST!
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: JunkyII on February 18, 2010, 06:40:27 PM
HT and Sudz worked on strat and other things for the WWII arenas. 

Are these "other things" in the game yet?

 :noid




I think this is the first time Ive seen 3 HTC employees post before. :rock
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: SunBat on February 18, 2010, 08:17:47 PM
I couldn't resist.  :noid

(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/superfly/unicornnook.jpg)

DUDE! DUDE. DUDE? DUDE! DUDE. DUDE? DUDE!! DUDE. DUDE. DUDE!?! DUDE. DUDE! DUDE :| seriously DUDE!

Can you send me the hires version of that cuz I am sooooooo gonna make a real-life sized unicorn poster of that for my room?
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: 321BAR on February 18, 2010, 08:53:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6UWR0kSFcE


snork :lol
where in gods name did you find this!?  :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: hitech on February 18, 2010, 10:09:18 PM
Like i wrote above, i didn't want to hurt anyone or even pump up some bad feeling. If i did, i apology! I am worked in the software industry too, i programmed in assembler during the 80s, first z80 and 6502, later on the M68000. Wrote a lot of landscape fractal routines for the upcoming 3d games. sprite routines etc. Our company got 40 programmers, artwork is done external. I stopped coding 10 years ago, too much high speed networking addicted, we build up a datacenter and i was responsible for the core design. But i know there went more time into the design and bugfix issues than pure coding, doesent matter if you use C++ or other stuff. Once WW1 is up, you need to spend there also time for bugfixes, addons, new terrain and much more, like you did the lasts years at the AH2 ww2 part. So you need to split your programming resources, art and other. that means at the end nothing else, it slows down the ongoing development process right? Maybe you understand a little bit more what i wants to point on.....

Wow and to think I only wrote my first computer game in 1974. And have twice taken over the online flight sim market. But allas I have learned nothing in 20 years of creating flight sims and 15 creating and building online game business. Not that I do not make mistakes but your statements are some of the more condescending, clueless and insulting remarks I have seen in a while.  Tell you what go build a few companies then lets talk.


HiTech
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: texastc316 on February 18, 2010, 10:15:19 PM
lets flyyyyy
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: SunBat on February 18, 2010, 10:24:50 PM
Wow and to think I only wrote my first computer game in 1974. And have twice taken over the online flight sim market. But allas I have learned nothing in 20 years of creating flight sims and 15 creating and building online game business. Not that I do not make mistakes but your statements are some of the more condescending, clueless and insulting remarks I have seen in a while.  Tell you what go build a few companies then lets talk.


HiTech

Um, scuse me, do you think u could get me that unicorn picture?  Thanks in advance. Thanks.
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Boxboy on February 18, 2010, 11:21:24 PM
Wow and to think I only wrote my first computer game in 1974. And have twice taken over the online flight sim market. But allas I have learned nothing in 20 years of creating flight sims and 15 creating and building online game business. Not that I do not make mistakes but your statements are some of the more condescending, clueless and insulting remarks I have seen in a while.  Tell you what go build a few companies then lets talk.


HiTech

LOL Dale I hope someone else counts your money, 1974 from 2010 looks more like 36 years bud :).  Sheez we are getting old LOL.

BigJim

Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Plawranc on February 18, 2010, 11:32:37 PM
OK.

As I tweenager in comparison to the 50 year old bureaucrats that are firing off salvo after salvo at the HTC gang, let me do some educating for once.

Without HTC, Pyro, Superfly and Skuzzy's whoopass stick of doom. AH2 would not exist and this BB which has made me cack myself laughing so many times would not either.

With WW1, comes the players of ROF and DOA who only play that because it has WW1. With AH2 -WW1 comes a brand new arena with 4 awesome planes, a new damage model and endless yelling of RUNTARD at Fokker DVII's.

I for one pay 15 bucks (of my parents money :devil) to have fun and that is precisely what Hi-tech Creations has given me.

 :salute keep working we don't pay you by the month you know  :D
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: hubsonfire on February 18, 2010, 11:44:28 PM
I couldn't resist.  :noid

(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/superfly/unicornnook.jpg)

Now this game looks like fun.

Waffle's vision... not so much.
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: froger on February 18, 2010, 11:59:48 PM
Couple more late war monsters are on the top of my list.

The Few's new toy is already on it's way. :x

(http://www.raf.mod.uk/downloads/wallpapers/1945/meteor3s1024.jpg)

Could you imagine the bragging rights AH2 would have if we really had the Meteor.

would be very nice to see the meteor. what sort of gun package did it have?


froger
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: froger on February 19, 2010, 12:13:00 AM
i think the meteor should be the last thing ever added to AH horrible plane IMO


why?

     froger
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: grizz441 on February 19, 2010, 01:29:15 AM
Um, scuse me, do you think u could get me that unicorn picture?  Thanks in advance. Thanks.

This.
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Bruv119 on February 19, 2010, 01:32:49 AM
how long did it take you to photoshop that unicorn picture 10 minutes?   half an hour?   

that is precious time spent where you could have been polishing off the Beau or any other ww2 addition!   :mad:
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: dhyran on February 19, 2010, 03:46:35 AM
Wow and to think I only wrote my first computer game in 1974. And have twice taken over the online flight sim market. But allas I have learned nothing in 20 years of creating flight sims and 15 creating and building online game business. Not that I do not make mistakes but your statements are some of the more condescending, clueless and insulting remarks I have seen in a while.  Tell you what go build a few companies then lets talk.


HiTech

Hello Hitech,
_____________________________

Welcome to HiTech Creations, Inc.

HiTech Creations was founded with a simple philosophy by Dale "HiTech" Addink in 1999.  It's not to create a large corporation, a vast gaming network, or a line of online games.  It's just to create one game, but one that is better than any other like it.  Contrary to most companies, our goal is to keep the company small.  We know that with a singular focus and an experienced cohesive team that enjoys its work, the production, service, support, and overall level of satisfaction will be unmatched.
_____________________________


now, just my 0.02$ about it: I simply fear a development slowdown of the WW2 Arenas, loosing the singular focus. Just to clarify, but now i am absolutely convinced you know what to do. The only thing i can do is to think about my account

over and out
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Ack-Ack on February 19, 2010, 04:16:56 AM
Hello Hitech,

Welcome to HiTech Creations, Inc.

HiTech Creations was founded with a simple philosophy by Dale "HiTech" Addink in 1999.  It's not to create a large corporation, a vast gaming network, or a line of online games.  It's just to create one game, but one that is better than any other like it.  Contrary to most companies, our goal is to keep the company small.  We know that with a singular focus and an experienced cohesive team that enjoys its work, the production, service, support, and overall level of satisfaction will be unmatched.

just my 0.02$ about it. I simply fear a development slowdown of the WW2 Arenas, loosing the singular focus. Just to clarify, but now i am absolutely convinced you know what to do. The only thing i can do is to think about my account

over and out

Poking a grizzly bear in the eye with a stick never goes well for the guy with the stick.  Just sayin'.

ack-ack
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Bronk on February 19, 2010, 05:05:23 AM


 The only thing i can do is to think about my account

over and out

Ooooo a thinly veiled "I'll cancel my account." threat.  Bravo sir, welcome to numpty status. :aok
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: SunBat on February 19, 2010, 06:17:44 AM
Poking a grizzly bear in the eye with a stick never goes well for the guy with the stick.  Just sayin'.

ack-ack

But it's immensly entertaining for those watching from a safe distance.

P.S. HTC I had a dream that I was riding that magnificent unicorn that Superfly posted (this one had wings tho) across an AH sector with a biblical mass of 110's and n1k's in tow, the most legendary of all great cartoon little-generals were in a phalanx behind me and then the masses behind them. I was leading them to the most dangerous of undefended bases. It was Tuesday and it WAS GLORIOUS. 

I interpret that to mean that u r going to send me that picture. Thanks in advance. Thanks.
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Estes on February 19, 2010, 06:42:22 AM
Im willing to bet money that this years evil con mishun will involve a unicorn, that shoots taters out its horn.
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: rabbidrabbit on February 19, 2010, 07:03:13 AM
Im willing to bet money that this years evil con mishun will involve a unicorn, that shoots taters out its horn.

Well, taters out it's horn would be preferable to some other options.
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Estes on February 19, 2010, 08:38:48 AM
I figured taters out its horn would be more practical than say, an AR-234 style unicorn. Of course there would be no gunsite, you just have to align the spiral horn with the enemy plane.

And to be realistic about it, the unicorn would have to fly around about 250 mph or so. Not entirely sure about the top speed of a unicorn, since its been a long time since ive been high on acid and shrooms.

You cant forget the rainbow trail it poops out as it flies along either. Shouldnt be that hard to model, considering we already have smoke trails.
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: SB on February 19, 2010, 09:37:17 AM
Oh I can't restrain from sticking my nose in here.

Let's look at the folks complaining about 4 new aircraft just because they aren't getting the ones they want...

I'd bet that the same people would be complaining about the artists replacing the old artwork with new.....since that wouldn't be getting them the planes they want.....

Now if some of the folks complaining about not getting the planes they want would pony (a veiled reference to Waffles new ride) up the cash for the development I'm sure the Dale could be convinced to put those planes on the front burner. BTW put lots of zeros on your checks, and on the dollars side.

The complainers talking about canceling their accounts have to realize that you started paying for this game when it had less features and aircraft in it. if it was worth the money then, why do you expect more now for the same monthly fee?

SB  :bolt:

P.S. I enjoy stirring the pot when I see quality of the discussion dropping to junior high levels.
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: macleod01 on February 19, 2010, 09:40:15 AM

Now if some of the folks complaining about not getting the planes they want would pony (a veiled reference to Waffles new ride) up the cash for the development I'm sure the Dale could be convinced to put those planes on the front burner. BTW put lots of zeros on your checks, and on the dollars side.

Check Dales signiture.
He prefers sometheing other than cash.  :aok

Though I'm sure Cash might be good enough
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Superfly on February 19, 2010, 09:59:33 AM
Sunbat that is the highest res version.  You can just download it from my post by right-clicking on it, and choosing "Save Image".

SB, your wisdom is dangerous.  It might lead to rational thought, and then where would we be?
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Shuffler on February 19, 2010, 10:29:28 AM
Well, taters out it's horn would be preferable to some other options.

Ohh it'll be a bomber as well  :D
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Reschke on February 19, 2010, 12:11:25 PM
Wow and to think I only wrote my first computer game in 1974. And have twice taken over the online flight sim market. But allas I have learned nothing in 20 years of creating flight sims and 15 creating and building online game business. Not that I do not make mistakes but your statements are some of the more condescending, clueless and insulting remarks I have seen in a while.  Tell you what go build a few companies then lets talk.


HiTech

Sorry but you can't be HiTech. You actually didn't mispell anyting in tat post. I was going to say that I tought dhryan was a shades acount fer you but now I think you are a shades account for someon els entirely.
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: JB11 on February 19, 2010, 12:13:22 PM
Sunbat that is the highest res version.  You can just download it from my post by right-clicking on it, and choosing "Save Image".

SB, your wisdom is dangerous.  It might lead to rational thought, and then where would we be?
THE SECRET CODE!!!!

 :salute 11
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: grizz441 on February 19, 2010, 02:58:34 PM
But it's immensly entertaining for those watching from a safe distance.

P.S. HTC I had a dream that I was riding that magnificent unicorn that Superfly posted (this one had wings tho) across an AH sector with a biblical mass of 110's and n1k's in tow, the most legendary of all great cartoon little-generals were in a phalanx behind me and then the masses behind them. I was leading them to the most dangerous of undefended bases. It was Tuesday and it WAS GLORIOUS. 

I interpret that to mean that u r going to send me that picture. Thanks in advance. Thanks.

This.
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Gianlupo on February 19, 2010, 03:41:35 PM
FWIW, Here's my opinion on how WWII aircraft should be added to AH in the near future:

1.
Ki-43
Pe-2FT
Yak-1b
LaGG-3
G4M2

2.
B6N
D4Y2
He-111
SM.79
Wellington B.Mk III

3.
C.200
Hawk75A
Beaufighter Mk.X
Il-4
Ki-21-IIa

4.
CR.42
I-153
Ju-188
Ki-44
Me 410

Again, just my opinion...but IMO after these it doesn't really matter what gets added. All the major holes that I can see are plugged.

Add to that list the G.50, Re. 2001/2002 and the Z.1007 and we have a deal!
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Ardy123 on February 19, 2010, 03:44:21 PM
Wow and to think I only wrote my first computer game in 1974. And have twice taken over the online flight sim market. But allas I have learned nothing in 20 years of creating flight sims and 15 creating and building online game business. Not that I do not make mistakes but your statements are some of the more condescending, clueless and insulting remarks I have seen in a while.  Tell you what go build a few companies then lets talk.


HiTech

Cool what game was it?
The first game I wrote was for DOS 5 and you commanded a 2d bird which you flew from a top view perspective. The goal was to 'drop presents' on people waling underneath the bird. This was done around 1992.
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: hitech on February 19, 2010, 05:01:42 PM
Ardy123:

You must understand this is long before dos and z80's and apples. Was on a teletype machine, to boot the computer you had to load what would now be called the bios by loading instructions with switches on the front. You saved your work on paper punch tape. The game was a simple guess the number game, you guessed and it told you hi or low. Next game that year was a navel battle game where, where 2 people did battle by aiming the guns at each others ship.

HiTech
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: TwinBoom on February 19, 2010, 05:13:39 PM
Sounds like a fine addition, right after the P-38H. ;) If they can slip in a quick P-47M, then the 38H should be no problem!

this man is after my hart  :neener:
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: 5PointOh on February 19, 2010, 06:56:13 PM
Why do I foresee Pink Unicorns as this years con plane...

I'm sure that WWII development is still going on, I'm not a really big fan of the WWI era, but to each his own.  I just wish that HTC could give us a little insight on the next WWII era addition for AH.
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: texastc316 on February 19, 2010, 07:01:38 PM
Next ww2 addition might be the new damage model. I'm real interested in seeing that.there's not too many planes that I'd like to fly that aren't already ingame. There's plenty not ingame I'd like to shoot down (oscar). Whatever we get will be more than we already got. Unicorns look good. Waffle, your vid was so bad I sent the link all over email.
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: SunBat on February 19, 2010, 08:30:18 PM
Sunbat that is the highest res version.  You can just download it from my post by right-clicking on it, and choosing "Save Image".

SB, your wisdom is dangerous.  It might lead to rational thought, and then where would we be?

hmmmm, k. Hopefully it won't be too pixelated when I enlarge it. If there is one thing I can't stand it's grainy unicorn pictures.

On a side note, I want to thank you, Superfly, b/c I have been putting off updating my Glamour Shot for lack of a classy background.  Problem solved.  I bet they put my shot up as a sample at the Walmart to lure in other customers that have good taste as well.     
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: hubsonfire on February 19, 2010, 09:26:32 PM
SB, your wisdom is dangerous.  It might lead to rational thought, and then where would we be?

Well, for starters, there would be almost no new threads on here for a few years.
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Slash27 on February 19, 2010, 10:30:47 PM
Hello nub... :mad:
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: MORAY37 on February 20, 2010, 01:18:08 AM
Don't sweat those guys BigDaddy...................  After all I doubt Moray ever made anything for the game..... And the fine Gentlemen that do don't complain about it.


If it weren't for the few that complained, the United States wouldn't exist, and would still be a colony.

As far as your statement, do you go to a restaurant and cook your own food?  I don't, or I wouldn't be at a restaurant.  
The same applies.  I come here, and pay someone else to do something for me, that I wish for as a service.  That's the way business works.  If you have an issue with this system, move to China.

I find it compelling that so many of the staff in Grapevine has rallied in this thread...in some cases, to once again belittle paying customers, who have rightly or wrongly voiced their opinions in this form.

If you believe in something, you shouldn't feel the need to explain it.  Just do it and let the chips fall where they may.  Either people like it or they don't, but don't act like they don't have a right to merely pose a question.  This is business, not artistic license.

I hope this new endeavor is a huge success, and does better than historical attempts to do the very same thing.    
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: kilo2 on February 20, 2010, 01:22:33 AM
If it weren't for the few that complained, the United States wouldn't exist, and would still be a colony.

As far as your statement, do you go to a restaurant and cook your own food?  I don't, or I wouldn't be at a restaurant.  
The same applies.  I come here, and pay someone else to do something for me, that I wish for as a service.  That's the way business works.  If you have an issue with this system, move to China.

I find it compelling that so many of the staff in Grapevine has rallied in this thread...in some cases, to once again belittle paying customers, who have rightly or wrongly voiced their opinions in this form.

If you believe in something, you shouldn't feel the need to explain it.  Just do it and let the chips fall where they may.  Either people like it or they don't, but don't act like they don't have a right to merely pose a question.  This is business, not artistic license.

I hope this new endeavor is a huge success, and does better than historical attempts to do the very same thing.    

Drawing the line from the AH forums to the revolutionary's was really funny.

I agree with you though on the rest.
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: MORAY37 on February 20, 2010, 01:25:33 AM
Drawing the line from the AH forums to the revolutionary's was really funny.

I agree with you though on the rest.

Yeah, I was laughing too.   :aok
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Bronk on February 20, 2010, 07:03:55 AM
If it weren't for the few that complained, the United States wouldn't exist, and would still be a colony.

As far as your statement, do you go to a restaurant and cook your own food?  I don't, or I wouldn't be at a restaurant.  
The same applies.  I come here, and pay someone else to do something for me, that I wish for as a service.  That's the way business works.  If you have an issue with this system, move to China.

I find it compelling that so many of the staff in Grapevine has rallied in this thread...in some cases, to once again belittle paying customers, who have rightly or wrongly voiced their opinions in this form.

If you believe in something, you shouldn't feel the need to explain it.  Just do it and let the chips fall where they may.  Either people like it or they don't, but don't act like they don't have a right to merely pose a question.  This is business, not artistic license.

I hope this new endeavor is a huge success, and does better than historical attempts to do the very same thing.    
True and if you don't like the service provided you GTFO ...   Maybe you should try that.   :aok
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Skuzzy on February 20, 2010, 07:36:58 AM
Big fallacy.  There are those who honestly believe they have some right to belittle those who work for a living and they are supposed to smile and take it.

Let's take the restaurant scenario.  Go into any decent restaurant and start yelling at the staff, complaining they do not know what they are doing.  Watch how fast you are asked to leave.  You probably will not go back to that restaurant ever again.  Guess what?  The management would be very happy if you never darkened their place of business again.

There is always a right way to do things and a wrong way to do them.  Unfortunately, there will always be those who will support the wrong way to do things.  They will take every opportunity they can to take every cheap shot they can and think they are clever when they do so.  They honestly believe they have a right to do it.  Fortunately, those people are far and few between, but they also make the most noise at every chance afforded to them.  Quite frankly, the board would be better off without them.  They offer nothing constructive.  Indeed, they are a distraction from having a constructive discussion.

If you cannot be bothered to treat us with a modicum of respect and decency, while you are in our house, then do not expect us to just roll over and smile about it.  When people treat me, or my family, with disrespect in my home, I tend to show them the door, very quickly.
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: The Fugitive on February 20, 2010, 08:40:03 AM
Big fallacy.  There are those who honestly believe they have some right to belittle those who work for a living and they are supposed to smile and take it.

Let's take the restaurant scenario.  Go into any decent restaurant and start yelling at the staff, complaining they do not know what they are doing.  Watch how fast you are asked to leave.  You probably will not go back to that restaurant ever again.  Guess what?  The management would be very happy if you never darkened their place of business again.

There is always a right way to do things and a wrong way to do them.  Unfortunately, there will always be those who will support the wrong way to do things.  They will take every opportunity they can to take every cheap shot they can and think they are clever when they do so.  They honestly believe they have a right to do it.  Fortunately, those people are far and few between, but they also make the most noise at every chance afforded to them.  Quite frankly, the board would be better off without them.  They offer nothing constructive.  Indeed, they are a distraction from having a constructive discussion.

If you cannot be bothered to treat us with a modicum of respect and decency, while you are in our house, then do not expect us to just roll over and smile about it.  When people treat me, or my family, with disrespect in my home, I tend to show them the door, very quickly.


oh well said !   :aok
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: NoBaddy on February 20, 2010, 09:12:17 AM
....talk about "stepping into it"..... :rofl

Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: TwinBoom on February 20, 2010, 09:18:47 AM
What Waffle said.  I can easily top those graphics.  I am not incompetent in the art department, but thanks for insulting me and everyone else at HTC.  We operate under a different business model.  It's as simple as that.
And, Wildbill....LOL!  You realize HT and Pyro were among the people that CREATED Warbirds, right?  Sudz and I both developed for Warbirds and Dawn of Aces, among other games alongside HT and Pyro.  IEN, or whatever they're called today, destroyed it after we left.

its amazing how many people don't know this............noobs :old:
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: TwinBoom on February 20, 2010, 09:22:11 AM
A SIMPLE ADD PLEASE!!!! P-38H FOR US SAPP TARDS IF FOR NOTHING ELSE JUST TO HEAR THE LUFTWOBBLES WHINE :)
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Ruah on February 20, 2010, 10:10:22 AM
writing in big red letters increaces your chances of being heard on the internet.

C/D?
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: TwinBoom on February 20, 2010, 11:57:24 AM
writing in big red letters increaces your chances of being heard on the internet.

C/D?

try this on for size

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Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: MORAY37 on February 20, 2010, 12:50:40 PM
Big fallacy.  There are those who honestly believe they have some right to belittle those who work for a living and they are supposed to smile and take it.

Let's take the restaurant scenario.  Go into any decent restaurant and start yelling at the staff, complaining they do not know what they are doing.  Watch how fast you are asked to leave.  You probably will not go back to that restaurant ever again.  Guess what?  The management would be very happy if you never darkened their place of business again.

There is always a right way to do things and a wrong way to do them.  Unfortunately, there will always be those who will support the wrong way to do things.  They will take every opportunity they can to take every cheap shot they can and think they are clever when they do so.  They honestly believe they have a right to do it.  Fortunately, those people are far and few between, but they also make the most noise at every chance afforded to them.  Quite frankly, the board would be better off without them.  They offer nothing constructive.  Indeed, they are a distraction from having a constructive discussion.


Big Fallacy??? LOL.  Being that I spent my time as an undergrad in a restaurant, I assure you there are 30 people out of every 500 that come through your doors that are going to complain, no matter what.  In my time as a key manager then, I threw out 1 person in 2 and a half years....and he was thrown out because he called my bartender a racial slang.  I was yelled at so many times for stupid things my server staff or my kitchen did, that it became a sport to see just how happy I could make them till they left.  That's the way good management works....you never lose your cool and you never fly off the handle.  Yeah, you go in the back and tell someone else about how much of an idiot that customer is.... but you don't ever do it where your actions could possibly lose you business....not just from the complainer, but from those around him, watching your actions.

The other thing you never do, is let them know they got to you....EVER.  You keep an even keel, explain, and move on to more important things.  

The reason you have some people whining on the BBS is that you have given no clear direction for your product.  Therefore, people deem this BBS to be an outlet to you, for you to read, however wrong or mislead that is.  Those that have been around, know this isn't true.  A quick call or direct email to you will clear things up.  As it is, many people don't know this, and post here.

I didn't start this, but I understand the frustration by some.  Undoubtedly, I will now be flamed and called every name possible.  The cult that this game has around it is surreal, and even minute criticism must be squashed.

 I say again, I hope this new endeavor does well, at least better than historical attempts with this WW1 planeset have gone. 
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: SB on February 20, 2010, 01:31:11 PM
Hey Moray,

Go back and read every thread from the beginning, in all the forums. Explaining things to all the people will take a lot of time and a very few of them will intentionally misunderstand what you're trying to tell them. I think you'll find HTC does a great job of customer service. Since we're on the restaurant metaphor I'll refer you to the movie "Waiting".

BTW, fewer threads berating people would give the staff more time to do actual production.

SB

P.S. I know you won't go back and read those threads but if you did it should take you a few months.  
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: kilo2 on February 20, 2010, 01:33:15 PM
Big fallacy.  There are those who honestly believe they have some right to belittle those who work for a living and they are supposed to smile and take it.

Let's take the restaurant scenario.  Go into any decent restaurant and start yelling at the staff, complaining they do not know what they are doing.  Watch how fast you are asked to leave.  You probably will not go back to that restaurant ever again.  Guess what?  The management would be very happy if you never darkened their place of business again.

There is always a right way to do things and a wrong way to do them.  Unfortunately, there will always be those who will support the wrong way to do things.  They will take every opportunity they can to take every cheap shot they can and think they are clever when they do so.  They honestly believe they have a right to do it.  Fortunately, those people are far and few between, but they also make the most noise at every chance afforded to them.  Quite frankly, the board would be better off without them.  They offer nothing constructive.  Indeed, they are a distraction from having a constructive discussion.

If you cannot be bothered to treat us with a modicum of respect and decency, while you are in our house, then do not expect us to just roll over and smile about it.  When people treat me, or my family, with disrespect in my home, I tend to show them the door, very quickly.

To take your restaurant idea and use it for a moment, imagine a customer coming in to the restaurant and picking a meal, say salmon. Once they order their piece of salmon they are told they have to pay upfront. They think OK I have been here before and this is no different than usual and they

pay up front. The salmon comes out and looks great,just like they remember, they take a bite and realize that it is too salty. No big deal they will just tell the owner it is too salty. They call him over and say "this salmon is too salty", the owner says one moment and walks away he comes back with a cup of water and splashes it their face, the chef comes and splashes water in their face the host comes and splashes water in their face and then they are thrown out.

Now does that sound like a restaurant any one would want to go to?

Don't PnG me......
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Oldman731 on February 20, 2010, 01:36:20 PM
Now does that sound like a restaurant any one would want to go to?

Kind of depends on how much you like the salty salmon I guess.

- oldman
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Bronk on February 20, 2010, 01:46:31 PM
To take your restaurant idea and use it for a moment, imagine a customer coming in to the restaurant and picking a meal, say salmon. Once they order their piece of salmon they are told they have to pay upfront. They think OK I have been here before and this is no different than usual and they

pay up front. The salmon comes out and looks great,just like they remember, they take a bite and realize that it is too salty. No big deal they will just tell the owner it is too salty. They call him over and say "this salmon is too salty", the owner says one moment and walks away he comes back with a cup of water and splashes it their face, the chef comes and splashes water in their face the host comes and splashes water in their face and then they are thrown out.

Now does that sound like a restaurant any one would want to go to?

Don't PnG me......

Again.. if you don't like how it's prepared or the service no one is forcing you to to stay and eat it.  Ohhh you were given 2 weeks free to see if you like it. Unlike your restaurant scenario where you paid upfront.
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: cactuskooler on February 20, 2010, 01:56:25 PM
A SIMPLE ADD PLEASE!!!! P-38H FOR US SAPP TARDS IF FOR NOTHING ELSE JUST TO HEAR THE LUFTWOBBLES WHINE :)

Haha! Maybe the straight and to the point method will be more effective.  :lol
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Skuzzy on February 20, 2010, 02:04:47 PM
We must be reading different threads kilo2.

1) We post up a few new screenshots to let the community know how things are progressing.
2) A player comes in here and tells us they look like crap and challenges our decision to be working on WW1 to begin with.  Forget the fact that we asked the community before we started the endeavor.

Now I will relate it to a restaurant metaphor.

A month before you went to the restaurant you asked the patrons if they would like to see "smoked salmon" on the menu.  They voted yes.

Next month you place it on the menu.  A patron comes in and wonders why you put smoked salmon on the menu and yells to everyone in the restaurant the picture sucks of the plate and it is detracting away from your specialty of steak.  The partron continues to yell.  The owner finally asks the patron to leave.

Now back to reality.

You prepay for the game/service here each month.  Now, tell me, what changed from last months service to this months service which would cause someone to lash out proclaiming our work is crap and we are hurting our business.  When I log into the game, at this moment, it is exactly what it was last month.  Hmmm.  The only change is we happen to post some images of some of what we are working on.

But gee, golly darn, I cannot fathom how that has changed the game that everyone is playing at the moment to the point we are to be treated in a derogatory and disrespectful manner.

Now, if someone is going to threaten to quit because we are not updating the game every month, then there really is not much we can do about that.  Some things take time.  It is as simple as that.

As far as someone tossing water in someones face goes.  This goes back to being respectful and a right way and wrong way to do things.  You can be someone who tries to tell us how to run our business (kilo2, maybe you like being told how to run your business, it is certainly a choice), or you can be the guy that tries to understand the business.  You get what you give.  That does indeed work both directions.

However, I will state it clearly again.  If you come into our forums/game and treat us, at HTC, with disrespect and/or in a derogatory manner, do not expect to get a cookie and a smile out of it.  This particular point is not up for discussion.
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: DaCoon on February 20, 2010, 02:13:44 PM
  You get what you give.  That does indeed work both directions.

Hey Skuzzy, can I use this in my sig?
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: kilo2 on February 20, 2010, 02:20:00 PM
I didn't mean to disrespect anyone. And I don't think that you should have to be told how to run your business. I am saying sometimes it seems as if a player has a problem with the game and states said problem they get told off, a lot of the time not very friendly like.

And the salmon is fine to me. Some people just may not agree, and as they pay money, they should be able to at very least state that they do not like the salmon.
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Skuzzy on February 20, 2010, 02:32:39 PM
If anyone has a problem with the game, we are easily reached and we always do everything within reason to help.

Coming to our board and telling us our work looks like crap is not someone looking for help.  Coming to our board and telling us how to run our business is not looking for help.  Coming to our board and berating other players is not looking for help.

Anyone calling to discuss a problem is always treated with respect.  Someone may not like the answer, but that is a different matter.


If someone does not like an aspect of the game, they are free to voice thier opinion about it as long as it is done in a respectful manner.  Here is an example.

1)  Your flight modeling of the unicorn is moronic!  You have no idea what you are doing!

or

2)  Why is it the unicorn modeling of head motion not match that of its real-life counterpart?  According to this article, there seems to be some contridiction.


Which one do you think is going to get a postitive reaction?
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: hitech on February 20, 2010, 02:43:53 PM
I didn't mean to disrespect anyone. And I don't think that you should have to be told how to run your business. I am saying sometimes it seems as if a player has a problem with the game and states said problem they get told off, a lot of the time not very friendly like.

And the salmon is fine to me. Some people just may not agree, and as they pay money, they should be able to at very least state that they do not like the salmon.

Kilo2: 2 Simple questions.

1. Have you been treated with respect by people from HTC in this thread, even though you do not agree with us and are criticizing our methods?
2. What do you think the difference is how you are treated dhyran was treated and why?

HiTech
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: jimson on February 20, 2010, 02:50:45 PM
There are many things I'd like to see added before WW1. More Japanese planes, AI GV's etc and an online AI mission creator for use by the AvA staff, those are my personal wants though.

The fact is HTC thinks it's a good business decision to do the WW1 arena.

That is their perogative, and a lot of people want it.


Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: uptown on February 20, 2010, 03:07:25 PM
Some folks have alot of nerve. Look, if you don't like the game move on! I guess I'm getting old because I'm still amazed at the talent the HTC crew, as well as others involved, in making a game like this. Entertainment has come a long way since PONG.

I for one wish I had 1/4 of the brains it takes to program a game this size. I don't even know how to begin making a map or skin, so i'm not about to complain that I can't see every leaf on the trees or can't smell gunpowder when i fire my .50 cals. I take what i get and appreciate the fact that someone out there is busting their arses so i can enjoy myself.

All this started with a couple of geeks with a dream, pencil and paper. How can one NOT respect that? :salute
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: JunkyII on February 20, 2010, 03:19:04 PM
Someone made an awesome point earlier about how we have so much more now in the game....yet we still pay $15. My cheapest bill I have to pay :D
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: kilo2 on February 20, 2010, 03:42:14 PM
Kilo2: 2 Simple questions.

1. Have you been treated with respect by people from HTC in this thread, even though you do not agree with us and are criticizing our methods?
2. What do you think the difference is how you are treated dhyran was treated and why?

HiTech


I have been treated with respect my guess is because I am not on here ranting. It does come down to "you get what you give" as skuzzy said.

I don't always agree and maybe the BBS is just not a great outlet to express my differing opinion. DHryans first post did not seem to bad to me. He did descend down a bit following some responses.


for DBcooper I don't many problems with the game. And any problems I may have are not big enough to leave over.

EDIT: just realized my own case disproves my original point :salute
Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: MORAY37 on February 20, 2010, 05:25:39 PM


I don't always agree and maybe the BBS is just not a great outlet to express my differing opinion. DHryans first post did not seem to bad to me. He did descend down a bit following some responses.




DHryan's first posts weren't bad, they just weren't ideologically identical to many people on here that post a lot.

 He was also a victim of poor choices and long memories in different threads previous, hence he found his post here quickly dissected and attacked.  I guess he was defensive, and obviously went too far after that. The cult aspect of this "community" tends to do that to people.

Title: Re: Continued WW2 development?
Post by: Ardy123 on February 20, 2010, 08:59:25 PM
Ardy123:

You must understand this is long before dos and z80's and apples. Was on a teletype machine, to boot the computer you had to load what would now be called the bios by loading instructions with switches on the front. You saved your work on paper punch tape. The game was a simple guess the number game, you guessed and it told you hi or low. Next game that year was a navel battle game where, where 2 people did battle by aiming the guns at each others ship.

HiTech

Cool, debugging on a punch card must have been fun(insert sarcasm)! lol