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Title: Something isn't right
Post by: Spikes on March 13, 2010, 09:01:34 AM
Was flyingh around in a 262 just now, A6M got a snapshot, knocked off a aileron and I 'locked up', caught on fire, and nose dived into the ground...this happened to me in a Ki61 yesterday. Did not think to save the film as I was pretty P/O'ed...I'm sure other people have these symptoms. Another guy was buzzing around in a 262 with us and had the same thing happen to him...a fuel leak or something killed him.
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: AWwrgwy on March 13, 2010, 10:05:18 AM
I haven't had random control locks yet but I have caught on fire in planes I've rarely burned in before... every sortie.


wrongway
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: SIK1 on March 13, 2010, 10:10:56 AM
There's a post in the bug report forum about this. If you have film of the event you may want to contact HTC and see if they need it.

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,285171.msg3613294.html
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: TW9 on March 13, 2010, 10:39:38 AM
this happend to me aswell. took one ping from sbd tail gun, took a fuel hit and controls completely locked up. i soon augered. i notice with other planes it does the same whenever u register dmg. the plane will shutter and temporarilly lock up regardless of the severity of the dmg
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: Spikes on March 13, 2010, 10:45:03 AM
this happend to me aswell. took one ping from sbd tail gun, took a fuel hit and controls completely locked up. i soon augered. i notice with other planes it does the same whenever u register dmg. the plane will shutter and temporarilly lock up regardless of the severity of the dmg
Spot on.
Happened to me again in an I16...
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: mantis on March 13, 2010, 11:06:44 AM
Caught on fire doing a belly slide landing last night, same as I always do, never happened before. I did have a fuel leak when I landed, so maybe having a leak is a more dangerous thing now?

EDIT: Clipboard controls locked up for a few seconds as well. Was at a complete stop, had to click for the tower button about 5 times for a response.
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: Denholm on March 13, 2010, 11:08:07 AM
Are you a SAPP applicant?
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: Lusche on March 13, 2010, 11:08:23 AM
Good thing there is a WWI arena to fly in   :airplane: :D
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: mantis on March 13, 2010, 11:10:41 AM
Are you a SAPP applicant?

I like hunting buffs too much, found the 38 to take pilot wounds way too easy for that purpose.. has been a few years since I've tried it in a 38 though, maybe we'll give it another shot.
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: crazierthanu on March 13, 2010, 11:15:37 AM
Seems like damage wasn't changed, just beefed up. I hit a P51 with a single 20mm and he caught fire, and lost a wing. Fuel fires seem to be really common now. Looks like this update also partially affected the WW2 arenas.
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: oakranger on March 13, 2010, 11:36:30 AM
Seems like damage wasn't changed, just beefed up. I hit a P51 with a single 20mm and he caught fire, and lost a wing. Fuel fires seem to be really common now. Looks like this update also partially affected the WW2 arenas.

I think you are right about that.  i was 7 k over a wirble in a moss and one ping and i am on fire. 
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: Saxman on March 13, 2010, 11:43:55 AM
I think you are right about that.  i was 7 k over a wirble in a moss and one ping and i am on fire. 

IIRC Mossies always caught on fire easily in the arenas.
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: Steve on March 13, 2010, 12:18:13 PM
Ya I knocked 2 guys out of the sky last night with about 12 bullets... was weird.
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: 68ZooM on March 13, 2010, 12:43:38 PM
last night i noticed when i got pilot wounded, blacked out seven times and while i was RTB'n  i had blackout number 8 ( i thought after 7 you died) i bailed out sense there was no use trying to fly 1 sector to land, when i bailed then landed it said successful landing, but i landed with my chute in the water  :headscratch:
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: RufusLeaking on March 13, 2010, 06:00:01 PM
I have no film, but it feels like LW damage is much more lethal since the update.

I blew up on being ho'd by a P-51B.  Not even a steady ho.  He had to dip his nose as I was diving to avoid.  I know.  I showed him my canopy, but it was not like he had massive cannons.

I've heard several anecdotes about one pass bomber formation kills.  That is, killing all three bombers in a formation in one pass.  Yes, it has always been possible, but it seems to be happening much more often.
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: Motherland on March 13, 2010, 06:44:57 PM
Is this only in the LWAs? Or all WWII arenas?
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: branch37 on March 13, 2010, 07:41:06 PM
I was in LWO the other day and I took an engine oil hit from a typhoon.  The controls locked up and the plane started to shake violently, roll to the left, and the wing snapped off.  :headscratch:
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: Wingnutt on March 13, 2010, 08:33:50 PM
Yea, something is screwed..

I havent flown WW2 since WW1 came out,  but I just popped into LWB and upped a dora,  a 51b popped my right elevator... nothing else....  and I lost all control..  as though my stick was unplugged..  and fell to earth.




 :furious
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: AirFlyer on March 13, 2010, 08:40:36 PM
Happens in MW as well. I've had it happen to me when flying a Ki-61 and A6M5b... It always seems to happen if I take damage to one of my 20mm guns. Just wish I had film of when it happens.
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: Wingnutt on March 13, 2010, 09:04:37 PM
here is a film..


http://pages.suddenlink.net/ja001son/AH2/somethingwrong.ahf

something is defiantly wrong..

this is the second time Ive flown in the MA, and the second time this has happened.. I.E. every time.


as you can see from the film im flying over an airfield, I take 1 hit from field ack..  it makes a small hole in the right wing.. at this point I lose ALL control and the plane is shaking violently.. I never regain control the plane rolls slowly to the left and starts to head down, no other hits are scored, a sec later the the left wing (the one that wasn't hit) falls off..  then I catch fire..


makes no sense..
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: maddafinga on March 14, 2010, 04:22:58 AM
Had that happen to me today in an Il2.  First time I've had it happen,but it was strange for sure.  Took a hit in the wing and the whole plane just sort of gave up.  I was angry and didn't save the film though.  I will next time for sure.  The damage in general seems to be somewhat off since the patch.

Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: Grind on March 14, 2010, 05:47:39 AM
So I ditch in one of the WWI arenas, sitting on the ground, no landing gear or prop.... D7 comes by knocks my wings with his wheels suffers zero damage and I get a message in the text bar "You have collided"... :huh
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: Yossarian on March 14, 2010, 07:59:47 AM
Something with me: I was upping B-26s, then decided I didn't want to and aborted the takeoff.  So I knocked off a wing (as you do...) and the knocked-off wing promptly caught fire :huh. I then tried taxiing the wingtip into a building, with the same result.  My plane then kept burning and didn't blow up.

Also, I noticed that M3s were being exceptionally durable - I was hunting them with the B-25, and usually a nearby miss with the 75mm would blow them up, however last night I needed to score direct hits to kill them.
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: Elfie on March 14, 2010, 10:16:37 AM
Ya I knocked 2 guys out of the sky last night with about 12 bullets... was weird.

Last night in the WWI arenas I knocked down 4 guys and had 3 assists and my ammo counters read 387/389.    :D
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: crazierthanu on March 14, 2010, 11:57:01 AM
Me and and sadsack upped PJ's yesterday. I had five kills myself, every single one was a flamer.  :headscratch:
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: mantis on March 14, 2010, 12:23:25 PM
yea, really annoying, no choice but to strictly BnZ right now, I had 2 taps on a jug last night, left wing off, on fire. Kinda reminds me way back when there was that bug that you could kill people from 1.5k+ for a day or so.

EDIT: not even worth trying to buff hunt either, makes me sadface
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: SPKmes on March 14, 2010, 12:32:26 PM
when you guys are shuddering with no control, have you checked your prop...I find mine is broken...I see half the prop blades spinning around...This happens a lot too..(This is in the Tony)
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: Wingnutt on March 14, 2010, 12:41:31 PM
when you guys are shuddering with no control, have you checked your prop...I find mine is broken...I see half the prop blades spinning around...This happens a lot too..(This is in the Tony)

in the D9 my prop broke, but not because of anything..  I.E. i took the inital hit... then the plane froze, then a bunch of random stuff broke.  the gear fell off (both) the prop broke.. some other stuff too.
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: SPKmes on March 14, 2010, 01:59:07 PM
in the D9 my prop broke, but not because of anything..  I.E. i took the inital hit... then the plane froze, then a bunch of random stuff broke.  the gear fell off (both) the prop broke.. some other stuff too.
Aye...I should film it but they will have a couple more patches and have it all ironed out soon.
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: mantis on March 14, 2010, 02:16:57 PM
Aye...I should film it but they will have a couple more patches and have it all ironed out soon.

yea, I figure the same, I did a few flights to capture it and saved them but I figure they are on top of it by now. I'll send them in if it persists I guess, but tbh I'm only doing one or two flights a night till it's fixed up, don't like playin much when things are broken. I liked the idea of the new damage model, but as it is right now it just isn't very fun.
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: Wingnutt on March 14, 2010, 02:17:19 PM
Aye...I should film it but they will have a couple more patches and have it all ironed out soon.

I would assume so, but Ive yet to see them acknowledge there is a problem.  maybe because its the weekend.

Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: SIK1 on March 14, 2010, 02:22:06 PM
Just an FYI the new damage model hasn't been implemented in the WW2 arenas yet. This is some other bug that HTC is aware of, but I did see a post where Pyro in the bug forum was asking if the issue had been filmed.
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: Happy1 on March 14, 2010, 04:01:19 PM
Since implementation of v2182 update plus the AHHIRES2180 I'm unable to play my offline missions as the screen freezes, tried various
latest missions with no success  :mad:

Reinstalled v2173 with AHHIRES2170 everything's running smoothly as
b4, ALL missions are playable, however, there's a trade off, with v2182
I'm able to play WW1 games whereas v2173 obviates WW1.   :frown:
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: Spikes on March 14, 2010, 04:02:30 PM
when you guys are shuddering with no control, have you checked your prop...I find mine is broken...I see half the prop blades spinning around...This happens a lot too..(This is in the Tony)
262 doesn't have a prop. :)
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: crazyivan on March 14, 2010, 05:40:49 PM
Didnt experience any lock ups or 1 ping wonders. Yet I don't think my hellcat sounds like a Camel landing on the carrier either! Hope you fix that.... :bolt:
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: MORAY37 on March 14, 2010, 09:58:22 PM
Yup.  Something's up.  One ping... controls lock...into the earth you go...no matter where the hit takes place.

Not only did this release mess up a scenario, now it seems to have messed up the whole product.... except for your vaunted WW1 swirl.

 'Bout 15 more versions to fix, this time??   :mad:
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: SPKmes on March 14, 2010, 10:35:50 PM
Didnt experience any lock ups or 1 ping wonders. Yet I don't think my hellcat sounds like a Camel landing on the carrier either! Hope you fix that.... :bolt:

One thing I like about the WWI landing side of things...it's a lot quicker...those vulch on landing types hardly stand a chance now  :D
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: SIK1 on March 15, 2010, 12:29:38 AM
Yup.  Something's up.  One ping... controls lock...into the earth you go...no matter where the hit takes place.

Not only did this release mess up a scenario, now it seems to have messed up the whole product.... except for your vaunted WW1 swirl.

 'Bout 15 more versions to fix, this time??   :mad:

Wow you really are a pompous ass, and all this time I thought it was just an internet persona.
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: froger on March 15, 2010, 02:47:05 AM
tonight,
   rolling a Chog and get b n zd by a pony, knocks off my left flapp and it goes south from there.
the hog now wants to tip stall to the right real bad until i give it 10% flapps, flys ok now but hard to fight the next 3 planes with this happening. i'm not complaining about it I'M just wondering if this is the way it is now.


bug or no bug ?


froger
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: PanosGR on March 15, 2010, 04:47:45 AM
Happent to me in a Dora twice  :o Snapshot, full absence of control fire and then boom. Thought it might be a new and a more reallistic DM which is good
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: dedalos on March 15, 2010, 08:06:26 AM
SOunds like the QA department was on vacation again  :lol
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: Wingnutt on March 15, 2010, 08:07:24 AM
having random undamaged parts of the aircraft fall off for no apparent reason from very minor damage to another area of the plane and every aircraft burning like a zeke is not "realistic" or "good" :cry
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: MORAY37 on March 15, 2010, 11:58:37 AM
Wow you really are a pompous ass, and all this time I thought it was just an internet persona.

I'm not seeing how being angry that the reasons I pay for a specific product (this one), WW2 and Scenarios, are both messed up...... makes me pompous.  If you paid for your house being painted, and they came and gave you a brand new kitchen instead, what would you say? 

My post was neither ostentatious nor even important.  Just one person's opinion.  If you have a problem with that, go live in China.   There are many more here that feel the same way, but are afraid of the flame fest to say it. 
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: CDR1 on March 15, 2010, 12:35:51 PM
i was in the training arena Friday, and there was a spit v sitting on the runway BURNING, so there is definitely something new with the new damage model!!
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: AWwrgwy on March 15, 2010, 01:55:19 PM
tonight,
   rolling a Chog and get b n zd by a pony, knocks off my left flapp and it goes south from there.
the hog now wants to tip stall to the right real bad until i give it 10% flapps, flys ok now but hard to fight the next 3 planes with this happening. i'm not complaining about it I'M just wondering if this is the way it is now.


bug or no bug ?


froger

No bug.  That has always been that way. 

Flap damage is modled so as the flap "damaged" is stuck in the position it was in when it "fell off."  So, you were hit, obviously, with 10% flaps deployed because the tip stall to the right goes away when you put the good flap out.


wrongway
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: SPKmes on March 15, 2010, 05:17:11 PM
  If you paid for your house being painted, and they came and gave you a brand new kitchen instead, what would you say? 


Depends on what kitchen they gave me......Most kitchens cost more than a paint job to the house  :D
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: MORAY37 on March 15, 2010, 05:50:41 PM
Depends on what kitchen they gave me......Most kitchens cost more than a paint job to the house  :D

Lol.... point.
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: froger on March 16, 2010, 12:03:01 AM
No bug.  That has always been that way. 

Flap damage is modled so as the flap "damaged" is stuck in the position it was in when it "fell off."  So, you were hit, obviously, with 10% flaps deployed because the tip stall to the right goes away when you put the good flap out.


wrongway

Makes sense to me sir but i guess i am just saying that i have never had that experience before.
 I guess that every time i have had a flapp shot off it was in the fixed up position.
  I still made it home though landing five kills and not to my flying credit so much, I'M pretty sure i was just lucky.


thanks for the 411 on this matter.    :salute


froger
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: greens on March 16, 2010, 02:12:07 PM
Was flyingh around in a 262 just now, A6M got a snapshot, knocked off a aileron and I 'locked up', caught on fire, and nose dived into the ground...this happened to me in a Ki61 yesterday. Did not think to save the film as I was pretty P/O'ed...I'm sure other people have these symptoms. Another guy was buzzing around in a 262 with us and had the same thing happen to him...a fuel leak or something killed him.
at least you didn't DISCO
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: Spikes on March 16, 2010, 03:48:11 PM
at least you didn't DISCO
If I discoed at least I would have lost half the perks.
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: mantis on March 17, 2010, 03:30:49 AM
Haven't had any problems yesterday or today. When I bellyslide in I no longer am a fireball, must have fixed something, thanks!
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: PanosGR on March 17, 2010, 06:40:51 AM
i think problem solved

Fixed a bug that caused additional damage to airplanes when a specific weapon hardpoint was damaged. This could manifest itself in the loss of flight controls, phantom fires and other non-normal damage events
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: maddafinga on March 17, 2010, 07:23:54 AM
i think problem solved

Fixed a bug that caused additional damage to airplanes when a specific weapon hardpoint was damaged. This could manifest itself in the loss of flight controls, phantom fires and other non-normal damage events

Flew some last night and everything seemed normal again.  Taters seemed to be working properly in that people went down when hit by them, and my plane didn't freak out due to single pings.  They really did a pretty good job of hopping on this stuff and getting it fixed pretty damn quick. 
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: SIK1 on March 17, 2010, 07:36:13 AM
As the folks at HTC always do.  :aok

That's why I find it so ridiculous when people start whining and moaning about how they've ruined the game.  :O
Title: Re: Something isn't right
Post by: maddafinga on March 17, 2010, 07:40:10 AM
As the folks at HTC always do.  :aok

That's why I find it so ridiculous when people start whining and moaning about how they've ruined the game.  :O

Yeah roger that man.  I've only been here for a bit over a year, so I've seen them get on it after the new version came out and now with this update.  So they're two for two since I've been here.  Not too shabby, even for a small sample size.