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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: BigR on March 24, 2010, 04:33:39 PM
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With the fixed limit Arena back into play, the ENY penalty system is showing its limits. LW2 is rarely populated which leaves just one arena to play in. Since this has happened, the rooks have consistently had the highest numbers. This has led to ENY penalties that routinely reach into the 20s. The problem with this is that when this happens, the Knits and Bish dont fight each other anymore, and the Rooks end up getting horded on both sides of the map even with their number advantage, but they are further penalized by the high eny. Some of you may say I should just switch sides, but that is not an option in my view because then i would just be part of the horde. This is especially bad late at night, when just a few extra players can cause wild swings in the eny penalty. Another thing this has led to is cheap perk plane prices for the other teams, so we have also seen a huge jump in 262s flying within the horde. Its bad enough fighting constantly in 2 and 3 v1's , but to have to watch out for picking 262s at the same time is just stupid. This happens about half the time I am in the Arena. One of the things I used to do when eny got bad was to switch arenas. That doesn't work anymore.
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One of the things I used to do when eny got bad was to switch arenas. That doesn't work anymore.
Why don't switch teams?
You can fly what you want while at the same time numbers are getting more balanced, reducing ENY discrepancies. Everybody wins. :)
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It's a mess now, but IIRC the capped arenas will eventually be back which will fix the issue.
AAJagerX
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I fly as a knight currently and can't remember a time when I wasn't outnumbered on the map......
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A few days ago, Rooks had something like 40%, Bish 28% and Nits 29% of the numbers. Rook ENY was 0.5. :headscratch:
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I fly as a knight currently and can't remember a time when I wasn't outnumbered on the map......
When I logged on last night, Knights had all the numbers and where kicking rooks (& Bish) all over the map for a few hours.
I went rook then, don't like all green and no red in all sectors.
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With the fixed limit Arena back into play, the ENY penalty system is showing its limits. LW2 is rarely populated which leaves just one arena to play in. Since this has happened, the rooks have consistently had the highest numbers. This has led to ENY penalties that routinely reach into the 20s. The problem with this is that when this happens, the Knits and Bish dont fight each other anymore, and the Rooks end up getting horded on both sides of the map even with their number advantage, but they are further penalized by the high eny. Some of you may say I should just switch sides, but that is not an option in my view because then i would just be part of the horde. This is especially bad late at night, when just a few extra players can cause wild swings in the eny penalty. Another thing this has led to is cheap perk plane prices for the other teams, so we have also seen a huge jump in 262s flying within the horde. Its bad enough fighting constantly in 2 and 3 v1's , but to have to watch out for picking 262s at the same time is just stupid. This happens about half the time I am in the Arena. One of the things I used to do when eny got bad was to switch arenas. That doesn't work anymore.
Hardly, the rooks and knits both jumped the bish for the last 2 maps (one of wich lasted for 2 weeks). Bish held on for most of a day when you guys started hammering at us.
One time, both the knits and rooks attacked one of our fields and ignored eachother for the most part untill they had a cap, and proceded to hoard us together when any bish flew near.
But I do strongly agree with the second bolded section. Perks for the Bish consistantly have the M4 at 4, the Tiger at 25 or so, Tempests at 45-60, and 150-200 for a 262.
And as to noah, its pretty close as far as bish/knit go, but the rooks sometimes have an advantage of close to 50 players. And having an extra 50 guys to throw into the fight makes a huge difference.
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Why don't switch teams?
You can fly what you want while at the same time numbers are getting more balanced, reducing ENY discrepancies. Everybody wins. :)
Like I said in the first post, the times when its really bad, switching teams wont work because during those times the Knits and Bish are not fighting each other. They are concentrating their numbers on the Rooks, so even with greater total #'s the rooks are still getting horded. Switching to Bish or Knits in those situations would just mean instead of me being out numbered, I am part of the horde. There is no balance. This situation does not happen all the time, but It has been happening with much greater frequency since the patch.
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I personally like flying Nit for the 30 perk and below 234s. :)
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I dont know much about ENY.. i do think your signature is awesome lusche. :aok
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Like I said in the first post, the times when its really bad, switching teams wont work because during those times the Knits and Bish are not fighting each other. They are concentrating their numbers on the Rooks, so even with greater total #'s the rooks are still getting horded. Switching to Bish or Knits in those situations would just mean instead of me being out numbered, I am part of the horde.
Go bish, take 2 guys and attack a Knight base. One of you should get a hy 110 and attack the town. That will draw some defenders. ;)
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Why don't switch teams?
You can fly what you want while at the same time numbers are getting more balanced, reducing ENY discrepancies. Everybody wins. :)
Because while not specifically prohibited our CO frowns on squaddies putting themselves in a position to end up on opposing sides (his decision and I support it too) even if it is just the cartoon sky's sides. Too many folks in AH insist that people play the game to suit their own interpretation of what they see as fair or unthinkingly support Hitech Creations apparent desire for squads to disappear altogether. The logistics of moving an entire squad across multiple time zones and countries is not quite as simplistic as the "change sides" fanbois seem to think it is either.
To be completely honest no one in 71 Sqn. finds ENY deficits as anything other than an eagerly grasped challenge. We've become good friends over time and enjoy each other's company and the constant party line as displayed above is irritating for people who enjoy that sort of Corps d'Esprit. We'd all up D3As or P40Cs to hang out together if necessary too even in the face of overwhelming odds because we all think it's fun. Knights outnumbered? Great, bring it on!
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I dont know much about ENY.. i do think your signature is awesome lusche. :aok
Ah, someone is getting the irony :D
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support Hitech Creations apparent desire for squads to disappear altogether
Don't ya think they do that much better & efficiently if they had that "desire" ? ;)
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Absolutely, but then that's why I used the word "apparent".
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Like I said in the first post, the times when its really bad, switching teams wont work because during those times the Knits and Bish are not fighting each other.
So what's stopping you from attacking?
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So what's stopping you from attacking?
I'm about as likely to go attack a base as you are. I generally dont do anything but dogfight.
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:cry :cry :cry :cry :cry
as a knit (who are usually outnumbered and sometimes ganged), I find these kind of posts very amusing. :lol
I'll also say that the ENY restrictions dont even come close to balancing the numbers advantage they are caused by...
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Rooks and Bish, Bish and Knights Blah blah :cry I'm starting to see how nice it is to have 5-6 like minded people to fly with. Throw out the sides, quit the crying and play a game.
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The logistics of moving an entire squad across multiple time zones and countries is not quite as simplistic as the "change sides" fanbois seem to think it is either.
It isn't difficult...
Log on, type .sr, hit enter. Check the roster and see what country they are, or ask them on squad channel.
Done.
ENY is working just as designed to, to encourage people to even up the sides (which is something we shouldn't need any encouragement to do).
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The only way the "two sides ganging up on the third side" issue is going away is some sort of local ENY or limit on the number planes upping from a given field. Otherwise how does the program know who's fighting who? But I don't see that as likely anytime soon, if at all.
IMHO a much worse effect of the continual no-cap is the massive hordes all around caused by the high number of players crammed into the smaller maps or or the ones where attacks tend to be channeled through 2 or 3 fields. Titanic Tuesday usually has only the biggest maps, so it's less a problem, although I know a fair number of people don't even want that.
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as a knit (who are usually outnumbered and sometimes ganged), I find these kind of posts very amusing. :lol
I'll also say that the ENY restrictions dont even come close to balancing the numbers advantage they are caused by...
You have missed my entire point. I dont mind getting ganged. I mind getting ganged while being forced to fly a 20 eny plane, and having 100 perk 262s picking the entire time. This is something that is happening now that was not happening in the past.
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In fact, if you log in right now you will see that the Bish and Knits have about 15 guys fighting each other. The rest are all after the rooks. In the east its about even, in the west, the rooks are getting overwhelmed.
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In fact, if you log in right now you will see that the Bish and Knits have about 15 guys fighting each other. The rest are all after the rooks. In the east its about even, in the west, the rooks are getting overwhelmed.
Sounds fun!
Logging on now.
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get a group and start attacking instead of defending, otherwise prepare to move backwards. Yes i understand you like to dog fight but so do I, it won't be the end of the world to kill their radar and ord or what ever else and start a fight.
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It isn't difficult...
Log on, type .sr, hit enter. Check the roster and see what country they are, or ask them on squad channel.
Done.
ENY is working just as designed to, to encourage people to even up the sides (which is something we shouldn't need any encouragement to do).
It is of course simply achieved by those who subscribe to the theory that it is easy to achieve, and as usual your overly simplistic analysis shows a lack of appreciation on your part that some people don;t perceive side changing as appropriate or desirable.
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It is of course simply achieved by those who subscribe to the theory that it is easy to achieve, and as usual your overly simplistic analysis shows a lack of appreciation on your part that some people don;t perceive side changing as appropriate or desirable.
And there we are at the old point. Players want to stay loyal all the time (which is not a bad thing at all), but they are not willing to endure a short time of hardship (= pay the price for loyalty)
When the things start to get tough the true value of loyalty starts to show. :)
I just wonder why nobody comes here to complain when the enemy is on the suffering side of the ENY equation...
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And there we are at the old point. Players want to stay loyal all the time (which is not a bad thing at all), but they are not willing to endure a short time of hardship (= pay the price for loyalty)
When the things start to get tough the true value of loyalty starts to show. :)
I just wonder why nobody comes here to complain when the enemy is on the suffering side of the ENY equation...
It is amazing to me how people cant read or refuse to understand my initial point. Changing sides would not help in the situation I am describing. Also, I never said this is happening all the time, but it is happening with much greater frequency. I refuse to switch sides in that situation because then i would just be a part of the horde. This has all been caused by the fixed arena cap. Having two populated LW arenas was one of the most effective safe guards in the past to prevent this from happening. That safeguard is gone. I was a big defender of ENY when it worked. It does not work right now.
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BigR,
Is your real complaint the recent phenominon of the bish "Coward Cloud" of up to 60 aircraft swamping and rolling rook feilds one at a time even if the rooks have a higher number of players on the map?
ENY is worthless against that. In fact it's to the advantage of the bish by allowing thier mostly lame fighter support to fly high ENY planes in the safety of the cloud. So someone has turned ENY to the littel guys advantage just like HiTech INTENDED. You cannot blame the few reasonable bish players who tag along for doing so to pick up easy kills. We all take advantage of such clouds from time to time. The recent phenominon is just taking advantage of a higher number of newer players on the bish side these days who want to win without effort. And, can you blame the knights for not fighting the bish while they have a breather to fight a single side? Especially if ENY gives them an edge along with only one enemy for the night.
It took a few years but, ENY is finally working as designed. Remember, HiTech does not care if you only want to fly rooks. You are making a personal decision to help rookland suffer from high ENY like every other rook who won't change sides to make the country numbers even. If there were no ENY, rookland's high player numbers could easily fight one country and roll the other with high ENY aircraft. Thats why HiTech implimented ENY because Rookland used to up 300+ players and swamp the other two countries almost one night a week for awhile.
So BigR, are you asking HiTech for the 300+ rook player nights with high ENY planes back again?
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I am loving seeing the rooks get a taste of there own medicine. Been flying since AH 1 and ever since the rooks usually have the numbers and it seems to rotate from Bish to Knit land which side has the fewest numbers. So my suggestion is do what Knits and Bish have been doing for years. Learn to deal with it and do what you can
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Suck my what? You guys are all crazy........ And very time based...... Every Bishop, every Rook & every Knight think that they are always ganged. And it really comes down to time of day........... @ 0600 GMT (night time in the US) Rooks always have the upper hand. Or.... At least that's what I think. :)
BigR,
Is your real complaint the recent phenominon of the bish "Coward Cloud" of up to 60 aircraft swamping and rolling rook feilds one at a time even if the rooks have a higher number of players on the map?
ENY is worthless against that. In fact it's to the advantage of the bish by allowing thier mostly lame fighter support to fly high ENY planes in the safety of the cloud. So someone has turned ENY to the littel guys advantage just like HiTech INTENDED. You cannot blame the few reasonable bish players who tag along for doing so to pick up easy kills. We all take advantage of such clouds from time to time. The recent phenominon is just taking advantage of a higher number of newer players on the bish side these days who want to win without effort. And, can you blame the knights for not fighting the bish while they have a breather to fight a single side? Especially if ENY gives them an edge along with only one enemy for the night.
It took a few years but, ENY is finally working as designed. Remember, HiTech does not care if you only want to fly rooks. You are making a personal decision to help rookland suffer from high ENY like every other rook who won't change sides to make the country numbers even. If there were no ENY, rookland's high player numbers could easily fight one country and roll the other with high ENY aircraft. Thats why HiTech implimented ENY because Rookland used to up 300+ players and swamp the other two countries almost one night a week for awhile.
So BigR, are you asking HiTech for the 300+ rook player nights with high ENY planes back again?
Every opinion counts, but every one of our opinions is always going to be different.
It is, what it is!
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Is your real complaint the recent phenominon of the bish "Coward Cloud" of up to 60 aircraft
:lol :rofl :lol You're kidding, right? This is a joke? :rofl :lol :rofl
There's one team that's had such a big numerical advantage lately that it frequently has as many pilots as both the others put together, and one side that for months now has consistently run more rolling horde base swamps than both the others, and it ain' bish. Hint: it ain't nits either.
When the Rejects decided we needed to leave nits, there was no question which way to go: rooks meant skies full of green and high ENY, bish meant better organized and motivated to fight as a team. Rooks had already been constantly rolling hordes for some time by then.
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I fly as a knight currently and can't remember a time when I wasn't outnumbered on the map......
Rgr that, Noah.
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think it was a joke, should have read "Coward Wave" since noe is SOP.
a few weeks ago nits were getting getting the fight from both sides while heavily out numbered. Most the nits were fighting the rooks while a small number of us upped against two bish squads that had to hold hands and noe nit bases that of course were on the other side of the map and undefended. We lost a bunch of bases but racked up plenty of perks and enjoyed the clowns.
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some people don;t perceive side changing as appropriate or desirable.
Let me make it even more simple...
If you don't switch, you will suffer with a high ENY penalty.
That is the price of loyalty to a virtual chess peice.
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getting horded by both countries has happened long b4 eny. The country with numbers has always gotten themselves knee deep in each other countries *poop* that eventually turns into both countries retaliating. This causes a snowball effect in which both countries continue to attack the one that was well into their homelands long after evicting them. The trick is to turn focus onto one country after a fair enough field advantage is made and reset the map b4 the tides begin to turn.
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ok i will say it again..maybe some of you will understand this time... I DONT GIVE A CRAP ABOUT BEING HORDED. IT IS BEING HORDED WHILE WE HAVE AN ENY PENALTY THAT UPSETS ME. CHANGING SIDES WILL DO NOTHING IN THAT SITUATION, BECAUSE THEN I WILL JUST BE PART OF THE HORDE. How many times do i have to say the exact same thing? The ONLY solution to this in the past was going to another arena. Now that can not happen. I dont know how else to spell it out.
You guys are so programmed in your defense of ENY, that you cant even comprehend what I am talking about. In normal situations, I like ENY.
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ok i will say it again..maybe some of you will understand this time... I DONT GIVE A CRAP ABOUT BEING HORDED. IT IS BEING HORDED WHILE WE HAVE AN ENY PENALTY THAT UPSETS ME. CHANGING SIDES WILL DO NOTHING IN THAT SITUATION, BECAUSE THEN I WILL JUST BE PART OF THE HORDE. How many times do i have to say the exact same thing? The ONLY solution to this in the past was going to another arena. Now that can not happen. I dont know how else to spell it out.
You guys are so programmed in your defense of ENY, that you cant even comprehend what I am talking about. In normal situations, I like ENY.
:airplane: What?????
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ok i will say it again..maybe some of you will understand this time... I DONT GIVE A CRAP ABOUT BEING HORDED. IT IS BEING HORDED WHILE WE HAVE AN ENY PENALTY THAT UPSETS ME. CHANGING SIDES WILL DO NOTHING IN THAT SITUATION, BECAUSE THEN I WILL JUST BE PART OF THE HORDE. How many times do i have to say the exact same thing? The ONLY solution to this in the past was going to another arena. Now that can not happen. I dont know how else to spell it out.
You guys are so programmed in your defense of ENY, that you cant even comprehend what I am talking about. In normal situations, I like ENY.
I understand. You are saying is you don't want ENY when both countries are beating up on your country that has the highest numbers.
So in your mind if you were to switch sides, you'd be in the horde. But here's the deal, you ONLY FLY IN THE HORDE IF YOU WANT TO! Seems simple to me. Switch to low eny side, look for an average friendly dar bar, go have fun. Or you could even fly to a base with no friendly dar and get something started.
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ok i will say it again..maybe some of you will understand this time... I DONT GIVE A CRAP ABOUT BEING HORDED. IT IS BEING HORDED WHILE WE HAVE AN ENY PENALTY THAT UPSETS ME. CHANGING SIDES WILL DO NOTHING IN THAT SITUATION, BECAUSE THEN I WILL JUST BE PART OF THE HORDE. How many times do i have to say the exact same thing? The ONLY solution to this in the past was going to another arena. Now that can not happen. I dont know how else to spell it out.
You guys are so programmed in your defense of ENY, that you cant even comprehend what I am talking about. In normal situations, I like ENY.
I understand and feel your pain. I completely agree.
Some of those replies though... You'd think people would have learned to think critically by now. :rolleyes:
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ROFL @ this whole darn thread!!!
:rofl :lol :rofl :lol :rofl
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Clue, if you are Rook and getting your arse kicked by both sides while you have ENY you could switch to Bish and attack Nit or vice versa. Now guess what, you no longer have ENY and you could now attack the other country hoarding your fellow rooks. Do i need to draw it out with crayons, maybe make a finger painting?
The option i would take is shut up and enjoy the abundance of targets, plus who says you have to fly into the largest red dar bar. find a smaller dar bar and go at it.
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You have missed my entire point. I dont mind getting ganged. I mind getting ganged while being forced to fly a 20 eny plane, and having 100 perk 262s picking the entire time. This is something that is happening now that was not happening in the past.
My favorite rides are 109f4, p40e, f4u1, p47 d11 and both zeros. <----all high eny rides.
I fly bish only and for the last 3 nights the 262 has been 150/240 cost.while i love flying circles around your air fields in a 262 watching all the new guys trying to catch me and occasionally snagging a kill or 2, i would much prefer flying the old birds over the jets all day long. I'M learning the hard way if the enme dar bar is 2 sectors long and it's clear your base is the target and only a few guys for a defense, let um have there fun i guess and go fight elsewhere.
I don't like being on either side of the hoard at all so i try to stay out of it but i get sucked in like the rest of um sometimes.
don't trip bro.....jump sides and up a late model, reasonably priced 262 and have some fun. skin optional. :rock
oh ya, spit nine n fm2 are some of the best high ENY rides in the game.
that is all,
froger
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You forgot the Mossie froger......... :aok
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BigR,
Is your real complaint the recent phenominon of the bish "Coward Cloud" of up to 60 aircraft swamping and rolling rook feilds one at a time even if the rooks have a higher number of players on the map?
ENY is worthless against that. In fact it's to the advantage of the bish by allowing thier mostly lame fighter support to fly high ENY planes in the safety of the cloud. So someone has turned ENY to the littel guys advantage just like HiTech INTENDED. You cannot blame the few reasonable bish players who tag along for doing so to pick up easy kills. We all take advantage of such clouds from time to time. The recent phenominon is just taking advantage of a higher number of newer players on the bish side these days who want to win without effort. And, can you blame the knights for not fighting the bish while they have a breather to fight a single side? Especially if ENY gives them an edge along with only one enemy for the night.
It took a few years but, ENY is finally working as designed. Remember, HiTech does not care if you only want to fly rooks. You are making a personal decision to help rookland suffer from high ENY like every other rook who won't change sides to make the country numbers even. If there were no ENY, rookland's high player numbers could easily fight one country and roll the other with high ENY aircraft. Thats why HiTech implimented ENY because Rookland used to up 300+ players and swamp the other two countries almost one night a week for awhile.
So BigR, are you asking HiTech for the 300+ rook player nights with high ENY planes back again?
Thats swell pal,
the potw callin the kettle black.
lmmfao
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You forgot the Mossie froger......... :aok
you are correct sir :aok
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{HIJACK} So Cal? You go to the US Open of Surfing in Huntington B? {/HIJACK}
And back to topic..... What'd ya expect from a Pig? :D
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I fly as a knight currently and can't remember a time when I wasn't outnumbered on the map......
What, you mean like this? :bolt:
(http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v113/crackthelens/art/horde.jpg)
I'm not complaining, though, the numbers evened out some before too long and it was a great fight. :rock But every side has the numbers at some time or another.
:salute nits at A49 tonight!
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The option i would take is shut up and enjoy the abundance of targets, plus who says you have to fly into the largest red dar bar. find a smaller dar bar and go at it.-Yep, what Whiteman said....exactly.(I can't ever get my quote bars right)
As a squad we all fly the same country for a tour and don't switch sides.
If you can't find a Dar Bar to your liking then take an extra minute to climb above the fight and come down on their heads! That is also a great way to drag cons away from the base so your fellow countryman can up from it. Or, grab a friend and drag em for yourselves....... Lots of kills can be had that way.
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Who would have thought that this thread makes the case for arena balancing ... HTC should turn it back on ASAP.
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The Rooks have higher numbers and perk rides cost too much!!! WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
(http://cornerstork.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/crying_baby.jpg?w=298&h=298)
Give me a freakin break. I remember plenty of times when Knights had lowest numbers and were being ganged by Bish and Rook hords on both borders. Get over it.
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Who would have thought that this thread makes the case for arena balancing ... HTC should turn it back on ASAP.
What exactly is the relationship between ENY and arena caps?
In my mind, uncapped arenas should result in less ENY. There is no artificial restriction on entry.
This is an opportunity to get some data on player patterns in uncapped arenas. Are player numbers over time available for a Snailman graph? Between arenas and between countries versus time would be interesting to see. It would be actual data on player behavior.
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You have missed my entire point. I dont mind getting ganged. I mind getting ganged while being forced to fly a 20 eny plane, and having 100 perk 262s picking the entire time. This is something that is happening now that was not happening in the past.
For one:
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm114/Reyesthewolf/alwayslookbehindyou.jpg)
If ya can't do the first:
(http://gndjxr.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/epic_facepalm_by_rjth.jpg)
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Oh no hear we are once again...a Rook whining about getting run over when it happens once in a blue moon. However they (Rooks) can't stick around and fight in the lower numbers arena when they have complete and free run of the arena with 5-10 players compared to 1-3 for Bish and Knights each. The last three days I log on in the mornings for a few quick sorties before work and fight some of the same guys...as soon as I shoot down the one or two that are attacking different bases; almost the whole group leaves for somewhere else...coincidence...not likely since they end up on the Rook side in the other arena almost immediately...which then has a 10-30 player advantage on the Bish and Knights in the other arena.
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This all stems from large squads. Too many squad COs with this stupid loyalty to a chess piece. They say, "No! We're a Bish squad!", or "No we're a Rook squad!", and that keeps large groups of guys flying on the other side.
If your buddies get mad at ya , they wasn't your buddy to begin with. I fly where i want to fly and you can too. If your squad don't like it....well you're in the wrong squad.
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What exactly is the relationship between ENY and arena caps?
What appears to be happening is that when arena balancing is not in effect, everyone flocks to the Orange Arena, and it appears that the Rooks have the most amount of players, at this point in time, playing the game.
If balancing was turned back on, it would force Rooks to populate both the Orange and Blue arenas and most likely would balance their 'total' population across the 2 arenas, which in turn would most likely not result in the huge ENY penalty that they are now seeing.
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You have missed my entire point. I dont mind getting ganged. I mind getting ganged while being forced to fly a 20 eny plane, and having 100 perk 262s picking the entire time. This is something that is happening now that was not happening in the past.
Open clipboard.
Go to "O-Club".
Menu opens.
Click on "Change country".
You may select any of three countries designated by chess monikers; "Rook,Knight,Bishop"
You may choose this option up to 24 times per day, therefore alleviating your stated problem, as the system was designed.
:salute
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This all stems from large squads. Too many squad COs with this stupid loyalty to a chess piece.
Uptown, did you play Little League Baseball as a kid?
If so, how many times during an average season did you switch teams?
If the answer is "none," was that because of loyalty to a shirt, or loyalty to the team?
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Open clipboard.
Go to "O-Club".
Menu opens.
Click on "Change country".
You may select any of three countries designated by chess monikers; "Rook,Knight,Bishop"
You may choose this option up to 24 times per day, therefore alleviating your stated problem, as the system was designed.
:salute
the command .country 1 2 or 3 works aswell ( bish, knights, rook respectively )
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BigR,
Is your real complaint the recent phenominon of the bish "Coward Cloud" of up to 60 aircraft swamping and rolling rook feilds one at a time even if the rooks have a higher number of players on the map?
ENY is worthless against that. In fact it's to the advantage of the bish by allowing thier mostly lame fighter support to fly high ENY planes in the safety of the cloud. So someone has turned ENY to the littel guys advantage just like HiTech INTENDED. You cannot blame the few reasonable bish players who tag along for doing so to pick up easy kills. We all take advantage of such clouds from time to time. The recent phenominon is just taking advantage of a higher number of newer players on the bish side these days who want to win without effort. And, can you blame the knights for not fighting the bish while they have a breather to fight a single side? Especially if ENY gives them an edge along with only one enemy for the night.
It took a few years but, ENY is finally working as designed. Remember, HiTech does not care if you only want to fly rooks. You are making a personal decision to help rookland suffer from high ENY like every other rook who won't change sides to make the country numbers even. If there were no ENY, rookland's high player numbers could easily fight one country and roll the other with high ENY aircraft. Thats why HiTech implimented ENY because Rookland used to up 300+ players and swamp the other two countries almost one night a week for awhile.
So BigR, are you asking HiTech for the 300+ rook player nights with high ENY planes back again?
Great post Bustr +1
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Uptown, did you play Little League Baseball as a kid?
If so, how many times during an average season did you switch teams?
If the answer is "none," was that because of loyalty to a shirt, or loyalty to the team?
How many little league games have been played with one team having 12 player on the field and the other having 8.
Point of fact I once was on a YMCA basketball team as a kid that had extra players on it. I was moved mid-season to another team that didn't have enough. IF this game was run like little league HiTech would dictate which team we fly for and would move us around to keep it balanced.
Nobody wants that so it is up to US as a community to balance it ourselves.
I am very chess piece loyal. I have flown for the Knights from day one. That doesn't mean that if the Knights have overwhelming numbers one night I won't switch the WidowMakers to another country. Usually we are not gone for more than a day or three and we always go back home to Knights.
Great people on all sides.
I can't think of a single "good" reason to stick with only one country "no matter what" if by doing so it is detrimental to the game as a whole.
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The OP is obviously a noob who hasn't been through the "sometimes you're the bug, sometime's your the windshield" cycles of the game in terms of both sheer numbers per country or the aspect of two counties ganging the other. As sure as the sun will rize every day the ganging will shift over time. In the meantime if you want to be loyal to your country just deal with it. It usually seems to take 3-4 months. I actually prefer when the Bish are outnumbered and are the "bug".
I don't think that balancing the arenas has any large effect on this. If you spread the current country numbers evenly through both LW arenas the proportions are still the same although there might be less tendency in one arena to have both counties ganging the other than in the other arena. At the same time, the overall numbers balance between countries might be that much more exagerrated in one arena actually making it worse.
262's are easy to avoid. Especially in a high ENY MW or EW bird. I'd be more worried about that Ki-61 who snuck into the fight than I would be about 2 or even 3 262's.
Maybe what really needs to be revisited is your perception of the game and what's fun.
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Uptown, did you play Little League Baseball as a kid?
If so, how many times during an average season did you switch teams?
If the answer is "none," was that because of loyalty to a shirt, or loyalty to the team?
that's a terrible analogy
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Eny only bites you if you fly late war high ENY planes, consistently on the high number side.
You basically have 3 choices, put up with the eny limits, fly something else, or fly on a different side.
It isn't broken, please stop trying to fix it.
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Rooks and Bish, Bish and Knights Blah blah :cry I'm starting to see how nice it is to have 5-6 like minded people to fly with. Throw out the sides, quit the crying and play a game.
the squadless bassturdz !! :rock
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the squadless bassturdz !! :rock
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What appears to be happening is that when arena balancing is not in effect, everyone flocks to the Orange Arena, and it appears that the Rooks have the most amount of players, at this point in time, playing the game.
If balancing was turned back on, it would force Rooks to populate both the Orange and Blue arenas and most likely would balance their 'total' population across the 2 arenas, which in turn would most likely not result in the huge ENY penalty that they are now seeing.
ENY is based on percentages. If one side has more than 10% over the side with the least numbers, then ENY kicks in.
Splitting between two arenas will likely exaggerate ENY in one of the arenas. Which would give an incentive to go to the other arena, which would lead (in theory) to two arenas with the same distribution (ENY). This, of course, assumes no changing of countries.
Am I over thinking this?
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Uptown, did you play Little League Baseball as a kid?
If so, how many times during an average season did you switch teams?
If the answer is "none," was that because of loyalty to a shirt, or loyalty to the team?
No, i played foolball. There was no need to switch teams as they had the same amount of players they did. But if I were to move to another town, I'd play for that school. My loyality was with the game.
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While I can't say I really understand the tie-in to ENY that the OP is complaining about, I do wish that the battle was spread out more, more of the time when I sign in.
Too often, it seems as though there are 3 areas of contention on the map, in one big circle of hording - one area where 80% of one chess pieces players are trying to overrun 20% of another's, while the missing 80% of the second chess pieces players are are on the other side of the map hording against 20% of the 3rd pieces players, and of course, the remaining 80% of the third pieces are trying to overrun the 20% of the first chess pieces players that didn't join in the horde against country 2.
Not saying how to fix it or even if it can be, given that folks are folks - just wishing it weren't like that so much of the time.
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While I can't say I really understand the tie-in to ENY that the OP is complaining about, I do wish that the battle was spread out more, more of the time when I sign in.
Too often, it seems as though there are 3 areas of contention on the map, in one big circle of hording - one area where 80% of one chess pieces players are trying to overrun 20% of another's, while the missing 80% of the second chess pieces players are are on the other side of the map hording against 20% of the 3rd pieces players, and of course, the remaining 80% of the third pieces are trying to overrun the 20% of the first chess pieces players that didn't join in the horde against country 2.
Not saying how to fix it or even if it can be, given that folks are folks - just wishing it weren't like that so much of the time.
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Yup, Someone said on 200 the other day that hit it spot on.."fights in the MA have gotten to be 1 of 2 scenarios. 10 vs 1 or 1 vs 10." Seems that most of the fighting style is not spread out through the map. Either you are in the horde or fighting the horde.. This happens on all countries at any given point. Whatever HTC does with ENY, Capping etc wouldnt do anything to solve the problem.
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The problem is a few big squads went Rook over the last year. So after 4 years as a Rook I went Knight. I'm flying with JG11 now and having a great time. Now the problem I have is that the perk point bonus is to high on the Knights. I didn't know what to do with my points before and now I really have a problem. So HTC I'm upset that you had out to many perks because the sides are uneven and people wont change and I can't loses 262's fast enough!!!!!!!
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While I can't say I really understand the tie-in to ENY that the OP is complaining about, I do wish that the battle was spread out more, more of the time when I sign in.
Too often, it seems as though there are 3 areas of contention on the map, in one big circle of hording - one area where 80% of one chess pieces players are trying to overrun 20% of another's, while the missing 80% of the second chess pieces players are are on the other side of the map hording against 20% of the 3rd pieces players, and of course, the remaining 80% of the third pieces are trying to overrun the 20% of the first chess pieces players that didn't join in the horde against country 2.
Not saying how to fix it or even if it can be, given that folks are folks - just wishing it weren't like that so much of the time.
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The problem is lack of skill. To many players today don't want to learn how to fly, how to plan missions, how to execute missions. So they are cannon fodder to average players. To make up for their lack of skill and to try and "live" a bit longer they hide behind numbers.
What players...who like missions and base taking... should do is instead of try to help out those in the horde is to start their own missions. Instead of having a single front/horde they could have 5 fights and attempts at 5 different captures going on at once. This would spread out the fronts, build more "battles", have more options for enemy to defend, and cut down the hordes.
The bigger squads could take the lead on this and others would follow....after all thats what they are good at :D It's more up to the player base to take care of the hording. We DO NOT need HTC stepping in with a "fix". Sometimes the fix is worst than the problem !
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ENY does not work, Has not worked, and will never work.
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Uptown, did you play Little League Baseball as a kid?
If so, how many times during an average season did you switch teams?
If the answer is "none," was that because of loyalty to a shirt, or loyalty to the team?
You are comparing real life.... to a computer game. :headscratch:
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:lol :rofl :lol You're kidding, right? This is a joke? :rofl :lol :rofl
There's one team that's had such a big numerical advantage lately that it frequently has as many pilots as both the others put together, and one side that for months now has consistently run more rolling horde base swamps than both the others, and it ain' bish. Hint: it ain't nits either.
When the Rejects decided we needed to leave nits, there was no question which way to go: rooks meant skies full of green and high ENY, bish meant better organized and motivated to fight as a team. Rooks had already been constantly rolling hordes for some time by then.
SSSHHHH!,,, the kills are so easy.
Oh the humanity, the carnage after every one of those massive NOE's .......... :rofl They certainly are not the most deadly squad, but die the most at doing it ...... :D
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You are comparing real life.... to a computer game. :headscratch:
Umm... no... I'm comparing a game some people play outdoors, to a game other people play indoors. They're both games.
The point about each team having the same number of players is a good one, and yes, that does make it a bad analogy in that way. But I wasn't trying to suggest that it's wrong to switch teams, just that loyalty to a team is not the same thing as loyalty to the symbol of the team. Nobody is loyal to a certain color t-shirt or a guy in a lion (or turtle or whatever) suit any more than anyone is "loyal to a chess piece". They're loyal to the team.
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Oops, double post.
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"loyal to a chess piece".
if we had other chess pieces, how many would fly for the Queens? i can think of plenty that belong there....
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Umm... no... I'm comparing a game some people play outdoors, to a game other people play indoors. They're both games.
The point about each team having the same number of players is a good one, and yes, that does make it a bad analogy in that way. But I wasn't trying to suggest that it's wrong to switch teams, just that loyalty to a team is not the same thing as loyalty to the symbol of the team. Nobody is loyal to a certain color t-shirt or a guy in a lion (or turtle or whatever) suit any more than anyone is "loyal to a chess piece". They're loyal to the team.
Purpose of a game is to be competetive and yet have fun at the same time. Few guys like to jump around countries which is not minded by most. Some people take the whole loyalty thing way out of control.
Its cool to play the game with people you are familiar with. Take the squad out for a month, week or even day tour to see what the "other side" is like and you will find out its exactly the same no matter who you fly for. Only difference is that you realize that the guy in red you thought was your "arch enemy" turns out to be a really nice guy.