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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: 321BAR on April 14, 2010, 06:33:42 AM
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Ok... I was just reading a wishlist thread about the name in lights in game and was reading about timidness. Time to see what people consider "timid" and what isn't. Like if you're in a 262 could a person NOT be "timid"? or if you're in a zero could you actually fly away from a fight and be able to be timid? Opinions and light discussions only please :lol ... im tired of these stupid thread locking name maimer arguments back and forth.
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you might be considered timid if:
you don't fight until someone dies, but rather try to RTB!
you extend more then 3k
you extend and wont turn around until your chaser turns around and heads the other way(this sometimes lasting a full sector)
you BNZ from a 2k perch or higher
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i like the fight i had yesterday. i spotted an noe crossing the water and was trailing looking for goons in a spit9. A spit16 and ponyd broke off to engage me. I finally got the 16 but the ponyd would run every time it got reversed it til about 1.5-2k out then turn back for a ho. Just didn't really understand the concept. Like if you're afraid to get shot down why turn back to go ho? :huh .. After about 5mins of trying to turn this into an alt advantage for me the pony proved much more superior than the spit9 as it should and neutralized any advantage i gained from avoiding his ho and run tactics. Eventually, i gave in and just ho'd him. We both died. *Shrug*
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I am.
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A P-51 picking 10-15k targets from a 25k perch, who runs away home the instant a con appears at co-alt.
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To those I will add:
You only engage if there are more friendly's than enemy's (flying in a horde)
You only engage if you have an advantage, speed, alt, position, firepower.
you might be considered timid if:
you don't fight until someone dies, but rather try to RTB!
you extend more then 3k
you extend and wont turn around until your chaser turns around and heads the other way(this sometimes lasting a full sector)
you BNZ from a 2k perch or higher
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True. But timidness=kills usually? therefore would it not be better to be timid in fights and land with a certain number of kills or to be agressive and get many kills in as little time as possible? -Btw this is purely for discussion only, i already know where i stand on the subject :aok love flying a 262 rolling scissors with 2 enemy at low alt in those roadrunners. even better if i replace the 262 with a a6m2 :D
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True. But timidness=kills usually? therefore would it not be better to be timid in fights and land with a certain number of kills or to be agressive and get many kills in as little time as possible?
If your goal is to amass as many kills as possible, timid flying will help you do that. No question about it.
- oldman
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It never fails to amuse me how when the word "timid" pops up, the first thing out of everyones mouth is P51 :rolleyes:
9 times out of 10 these are the same guys that fly spits, F4Us, hurricanes etc. I have film, after film, after film of running 109s,190s,262s,Tempests,LA7s and Typhoons doing the same thing!
For the guys that don't fly P51s, let me clue you in on something. The P51 is not that great of a plane! It's takes alot of seat time to be able to beat a enemy aircraft at its own game. So the mustang pilot better know a thing or two before he tries to beat a 109 or 38 in the vertical, or a spitfire and hurricane in a turn fight. And the F4Us :lol....easy mode compared to P51s.
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It is quite rare in a 1 on 1 for me to run from a fight.
(it has happened of course, typically when I am low ammo/fuel or damaged)
What many players loose sight of is they are not running from you, but the 1-5 country mates you have near by.
I generally have no fear of a single con no matter the advantage it has on me I figure I will win the fight.
(in my head anyway)
But that 2nd, 3rd, 4th (etc) con will keep me from turning and fighting.
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I would say you're timid if you let other people tell you how you should fly. :old:
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I would say you're timid if you let other people tell you how you should fly. :old:
Exactly. Here's an example: I'm in a P51 cherry picking a LA7, and 2 spits over their field. Along comes a F4UA co-alt. What do I do? I fight the F4U, but it takes some time to get the angles on him for the kill, by this time the 3 cons on the deck have climbed to me and now it's 3vs1 against a enemy that can out turn me and 1 that can out run me.
Or I could see the co alt F4U and dive to the deck into 3 waiting cons that will stay in their ack while the F4U BnZs me. I found If you want to survive it's best not to be stupid and fly the game of the enemy.
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I would say you're timid if you let other people tell you how you should fly. :old:
Wow you made some new Sig material, FLS :aok :D
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Wow you made some new Sig material, FLS :aok :D
thats being quoted for my sig
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To those I will add:
You only engage if there are more friendly's than enemy's (flying in a horde)
You only engage if you have an advantage, speed, alt, position, firepower.
So basically you're saying a good untimid pilot only engages when outnumbered and has no advantage at all. Maybe you could post some training films on how to come out of that alive?
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Opinions and light discussions only please :lol ... im tired of these stupid thread locking name maimer arguments back and forth.
Good luck.
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you might be considered timid if:
you don't fight until someone dies, but rather try to RTB!
you extend more then 3k
you extend and wont turn around until your chaser turns around and heads the other way(this sometimes lasting a full sector)
you BNZ from a 2k perch or higher
To those I will add:
You only engage if there are more friendly's than enemy's (flying in a horde)
You only engage if you have an advantage, speed, alt, position, firepower.
So disengaging from a fight for whatever reason and returning to base is considered timid now and this line of thinking even gets the trainer's "seal of approval"??
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There's a difference between flying timid, flying smart, and being a dumbarse.
Flying Timid means a 1 vs 1 where you just bail on the fight the second you lose an advantage (rather then try your skill, fix your mistake, and win the fight through determination, you bail and run away into ack/friendlies/etc)
Flying smart is, well, not dying. Cherry picking is a form of it (clearing friendly sixes, etc)- I don't get how this is a "bad" thing, though. If you arrive with an altitude advantage, invariably the same advantage could be had by those below you, if they showed just a bit of patience and arrived at the same alt.
Being a dumbarse- this is screaming, crying, and wailing about that big mean ol' bully of a P51 that took off from a rear field to arrive at the fight that you're oh-so-noble self is valiantly fighting (apparenlty one must contend with a legion of enemies, AND the trees to be a worthy fighter pilot), and pick your butt off at 500mph.
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So disengaging from a fight for whatever reason and returning to base is considered timid now and this line of thinking even gets the trainer's "seal of approval"??
WMaker, seems like you misinterpeted what Ghosth was a sayin.......
where did he say anything of the like, He said
- You only engage if there are more friendly's than enemy's (flying in a horde)
- You only engage if you have an advantage, speed, alt, position, firepower.
he just added them to the list someone else made......... he never gave an approval of anything
my my my, are we feeling a bit touchy on the subject???? did someone call you Timid??? :D
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Timid?
You could be playing Aces High but play Cafe World instead.
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Flying Timid means a 1 vs 1 where you just bail on the fight the second you lose an advantage (rather then try your skill, fix your mistake, and win the fight through determination, you bail and run away into ack/friendlies/etc)
In the elusive case of a well matched 1 v 1 (plane, alt, speed,) it is crazy to run. Good, white knuckle fights happen once per tour, if you're lucky. These rare fights are even worth a death.
Flying smart is, well, not dying. Cherry picking is a form of it (clearing friendly sixes, etc)- I don't get how this is a "bad" thing, though. If you arrive with an altitude advantage, invariably the same advantage could be had by those below you, if they showed just a bit of patience and arrived at the same alt.
No argument with the smartness. Personally, I find it dull. And my gunnery blows. I have trouble hitting the ground.
Being a dumbarse- this is screaming, crying, and wailing about that big mean ol' bully of a P51 that took off from a rear field to arrive at the fight that you're oh-so-noble self is valiantly fighting (apparenlty one must contend with a legion of enemies, AND the trees to be a worthy fighter pilot), and pick your butt off at 500mph.
I am guilty of a good whine. Usually on country. A roll of duct tape might be in order. My personal dumbarsed-ness is diving into help a green guy who is in over his head, seeing him die, and being in over my head. Then I whine that other green guys don't repeat my mistake ...
Timid, smart or dumb isn't the goal here. Fun is the goal.
"This is fun."
"This is fun."
"This is fun."
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he just added them to the list someone else made......... he never gave an approval of anything
So am I wrong in thinking that when someone quotes something and says "To those/that I will add" that he agrees about what he has quoted and simply adds more of his thoughts to the matter?
my my my, are we feeling a bit touchy on the subject???? did someone call you Timid??? :D
Touchy? Not at all. I just think that the attitudes of the vocal few in this community are in the need of piss cleansing.
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heck, I don't know....... I just look at what they post, not what they quote...... maybe I am wrong
but still, there is no
trainer's "seal of approval"
given or meant, I am almost 99.9% positive of that
the lil :D gesture was just a joke...... jut as well, 99% of the stuff I see post in most of these threads, I take with a grain of salt.......
still wish HTC could incorporte some way of having players who play online, have to also register & acknowledge that they know / are aware of the Aces High Messageboards when they 1st sign up and log into the game for the 1st time......
then the vocal few that view/post to these boards can become the Vocal majority of players, or however that should be worded......
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So disengaging from a fight for whatever reason and returning to base is considered timid now and this line of thinking even gets the trainer's "seal of approval"??
Actually, this is "apples and oranges" so to speak.
Ghosth was referring to choosing when or not TO engage. ( ie. only when in a furball of friendlies or
when having an advantage over a bandit )
Your comment is referring to breaking an engagement for whatever reason. ( RTB due to fuel, ammo or just to run )
I am adimittingly still a bit of a noob around AH, but to me the difference makes your comments a bit off base.
Just my thoughts and an observation, no bashing intended.
<S> and blue skies sir..
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Actually, this is "apples and oranges" so to speak.
Well IMO, it isn't. Check the post Ghost quoted and the posts after that.
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You only engage if you have an advantage, speed, alt, position, firepower.
At first glance I misinterpreted Ghosth's assertion, but after reading it again, I understand the idea...but I still disagree. With a few exceptions, if you're following Boelcke's dicta, you are not going to engage an enemy unless you do have advantage, speed, alt, position and firepower...and nearly everyone tries to use one if not all of the principles that Boelcke taught, yet strangely enough many of the vocal minority consider the use of some of those principles to be lame when put into practice by others.
Boelcke's Dicta
1. Try to secure advantages before attacking. If possible, keep the sun
behind you.
2. Always carry through an attack when you have started it.
3. Fire only at close range, and only when your opponent is properly in your
sights.
4. Always keep your eye on your opponent, and never let yourself be
deceived by ruses.
5. In any form of attack, it is essential to assail your opponent from behind.
6. If your opponent dives on you, do not try to evade his onslaught, but fly to
meet it.
7. When over the enemy's lines, never forget your own line of retreat.
8. For the Staffel: Attack on principle in groups of four or six. When the fight
breaks up into a series of single combats, take care that several do not go
for one opponent.
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I believe Boelcke had a different dicta for online gaming but I can't seem to find it at the moment. :joystick:
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We all are not far off on the true definition of being Timid.
What leads to timidness also could be defined into many different views as well, Score being the most prevalent I would believe. Ego probably has alot to do with it as well.
I don't fly for score, but it is the result of what I do. I don't run from fights and search for and crave good ones. Unfortunately I run into several stereotypical type of players that fit into one extreme or another.
Yesterday, I had several decent fights, but came across one particular pilot that had a tremendous alt advantage on me for our first fight, I enjoy these as well since like one posted below, I go into the fight with the mindset of winning it. This guy put up a decent fight and when the tide turned he ran to help which saved him momentarily until I had them both on my six and started working them, now its 2vs1, I am not panicking or typing on country for help, I crave these situations, I worked them both over and won that round.
So the next round he comes back again at a tremendous alt 24k and he finds me co-alt with him this time, immediately he dives for the deck and finds some help which did not come soon enough, he dies again along with his help. This goes on several times with even more "help" with him, just for little ol me.
What does that guy learn, nothing. Does not gain anything from our experience other than come in higher and with more help.
The only thing that I cant tolerate, (so many other evils to choose from), is to run from a fight if you have no other explainable reason outside of (beans, bullets, gas) like not having some advantage.
I cant tell you how many times, and I don't mean to pick on any side more than the other but Rooks are notorious for this in a horde or 1 on 1, its a joke on the Bish side that all you have to do is get co alt with a rook and he is diving for help or ack. That is timid in my book, that is not learning anything but running to help so that someone else does the work.
Just my opinion, and this surely happens on all sides, some more prevalent then others, but if you want to learn anything don't learn to run to help, that's the easy thing to do, any two weeker can do that. Learn to fight more so with a disadvantage as well as an advantage.
Bar, you are the biggest hoer, runner, noe'r, picker in this game and you should be ashamed to have posted this crap!!!! :devil :rofl Just kidding.......
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Funny this came up as I have been struggling with this myself recently.
I tend to fly in a way that some may call timid and others "smart." I won't engage a con unless:
1) I have the advantage (alt)
or
2) It is at least CO-E
and
3) The numbers on each side are somewhat even (1v1, 2v3, 3v4, but not something stupid like 2v7).
Now some call that TIMID, others call it SMART. Makes no difference to me. The thing I have personally been struggling with is that I think this will "plateau" my learning curve. Hence, recently I have flown some sorties in attack mode and intentionally headed into a horde just to see how long I can live/evade the 3,4,5 enemy cons. I know it is suicide, and I will die. But at that point my goal is not to get kills, but to see what works for reversals/survival tactics.
My overall SA is pretty good, what I lack now is the ueber ACM skill that muppets and other's possess.....I am trying to pick up those skills and the above Timid and/or "Smart" "criteria" I laid out for myself are not helping in advancing that goal.
Sorry, the above is more of a statement than anything else :) Take it for what it is worth.
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You only engage if you have an advantage, speed, alt, position, firepower.
Huh? If I don't have the advantage I'm defensive - it's up to him to elect to engage or not, not me!
<S>
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I tend to fly in a way that some may call timid and others "smart." I won't engage a a con unless:
1) I have the advantage (alt)
or
2) It is at least CO-E
and
3) The numbers on each side are somewhat even (1v1, 2v3, 3v4, but not something stupid like 2v7).
Now some call that TIMID, others call it SMART. The thing I have personally been struggling with is that I think this will "plateau" my learning curve.
Your spot on, that is not Smart in the sense you learn nothing about ACM other than having some sort of advantage. You will hit the dreaded plateau in your learning curve.
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Now some call that TIMID, others call it SMART. Makes no difference to me. The thing I have personally been struggling with is that I think this will "plateau" my learning curve. Hence, recently I have flown some sorties in attack mode and intentionally headed into a horde just to see how long I can live/evade the 3,4,5 enemy cons. I know it is suicide, and I will die. But at that point my goal is not to get kills, but to see what works for reversals/survival tactics.
The Force is strong in this one.
- oldman
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True. But timidness=kills usually? therefore would it not be better to be timid in fights and land with a certain number of kills or to be agressive and get many kills in as little time as possible? -Btw this is purely for discussion only, i already know where i stand on the subject :aok love flying a 262 rolling scissors with 2 enemy at low alt in those roadrunners. even better if i replace the 262 with a a6m2 :D
While I would say that it true that flying in a conservative/timid/smart/whatever-you-want-to-call-it manner would probably be good for the 'ol K/D ratio you have to ask yourself what is "better". There's pluses and minuses to every decision, some are just more obvious than others.
Flying conservatively will lessen the risk of losing the plane and ending up back in the tower and will probably net more kills per death than someone who dives in or never ducks out of a fight. What the 2nd player is doing is learning how to handle situations that the first player won't be to simply because he/she avoids them. That's the minus, often we stand more to learn by failing than we do from succeeding and the player that won't allow themselves to fail by avoiding situations where it may be likely are missing some great learning opportunities.
The problem is that learning can be often frustrating or even down right not fun so I believe the important part is to realize what you stand to gain and what you stand to lose based on how you decide to play and finding a balance between the two.
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I believe Boelcke had a different dicta for online gaming but I can't seem to find it at the moment. :joystick:
You're thinking of Doltke...1 rule: do everything possible to game the game.
I don't use that, none of the respectable toon pile-its do.
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Timid = you don't want to die. :aok
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You're thinking of Doltke...1 rule: do everything possible to game the game.
I don't use that, none of the respectable toon pile-its do.
No I think it was it was something like "you don't really die so the reward is the fight".
Never heard of Doltke.
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Ok... I was just reading a wishlist thread about the name in lights in game and was reading about timidness. Time to see what people consider "timid" and what isn't. Like if you're in a 262 could a person NOT be "timid"? or if you're in a zero could you actually fly away from a fight and be able to be timid? Opinions and light discussions only please :lol ... im tired of these stupid thread locking name maimer arguments back and forth.
A person that has no intention of fighting. If a person does whatever it takes to avoid a fight and will only engage if the other player is fighting someone else. A person when caught in a 1v1 will do whatever it takes to avoid the fight, regardless of whether or not they possess the advantage but will turn and engage as soon as you break off and turn around to only to have them run away again when you turn to meet them. A perfect example of both is the recent poster that created the thread about quitting.
ack-ack
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Timid to me is avoiding the fight when you're at least co-E and there's no major disadvantage in numbers. 'Fighting' might involve BnZing the lower con to death and keeping him down so he can pretty much never get a gun solution on you. To me that's not timid, that's using the situation to your advantage. It's the low con's job to equalize the E if he can.
I'll second the sentiment that people are usually running from the 3 guys that are higher than the two of you coming in on the fight. That's what I'm usually extending from when I do extend. Either that or the enemy is in a co-E plane that can turn better than mine, and has demonstrated that he knows how to use it.
As to 'plateauing' in skill level, I don't exactly see it as that. You're just refining one skillset instead of another.
Like it or not, engaging multiple cons with advantage, killing a few of them while keeping your advantage, and RTBing is a skill set. Gunnery at high speeds, often compression speed against slower more maneuverable aircraft isn't that easy. Maintaining your E while still applying enough pressure to the enemy to keep them off balance takes skill. Sure, if you do it right and the enemy aren't working together to get you it's 'easy' compared to engaging those same cons in a dogfight.
Dogfighting is another skill set. It requires you to have better skill at avoiding the enemy's guns, and the ability to handle your plane in low-E states. Most of the time in the arena I see it as 'begging to get shot by the fifth con you didn't see that is BnZing the furball' but that's just me. These are the whiteknuckle fights if you don't get BnZed early.
I've known quite a few guys who were outstanding in a turnfight that couldn't maintain their advantage past two turns if you put them in a fast, less maneuverable plane and gave them a world of enemies below them to shoot at. I've also seen a lot of guys who could beat you down six ways from Sunday in an E fight if they start with advantage who can't deal with a con co-E 800 yards out on their six.
Bleh, the 'plateau' discussion is starting to feel dangerously close to a hijack. Bottom line, if someone's running from me when I have advantage, they're timid. If I'm running from someone who has advantage, I'm flying smart. So nyah. :devil
Wiley.
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Wiley, admit it, your a runner...... :neener: :rofl
"that guy has alt on me..... :bolt:"
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Erm... well... uh... :huh
Truthfully? I'm more apt to run if the guy is co-E than if he's got speed on me. I have more confidence in my BnZ defense than my co-E defense. :joystick:
I think I might've been in or near that group you were talking about last night, thought I saw your name once or twice. Fun fights the two or three times it was even. :salute
Like I said in the original post, I often run if the guy's co-E on my six in something that turns better than I do. Call that timid if you like, I call it either 'flying to the strengths of my airframe' or 'admitting defeat'. :neener:
Wiley.
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Like I said in the original post, I often run if the guy's co-E on my six in something that turns better than I do. Call that timid if you like, I call it either 'flying to the strengths of my airframe' or 'admitting defeat'. :neener:
Nothing wrong with your sentiment.
On the other hand, one can’t be called timid for returning a Brewster to base when faced with a K-4 that is fighting nose up all day. It isn’t “timid.” It is “bored.” And it would be “stupid” nine of ten times for the K-4 to slow down and turn fight.
Do what is fun.
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Nothing wrong with your sentiment.
it would be “stupid” nine of ten times for the K-4 to slow down and turn fight.
Do what is fun.
I guess I am stupid then...... or was I just wanting to have fun?
for turn fighting my cartoon F4U-1 against WMaker's Brewster239.........
.......... but I had fun regardless that I lost the fight
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If you want to shoot down a timid pilot running from you, make yourself a better target.
Drex
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Nothing wrong with your sentiment.
On the other hand, one can’t be called timid for returning a Brewster to base when faced with a K-4 that is fighting nose up all day. It isn’t “timid.” It is “bored.” And it would be “stupid” nine of ten times for the K-4 to slow down and turn fight.
Do what is fun.
I was flying the Brewster in that situation I would look at as a challenge. If the 109K wants to he can sit up there all day long and there really wouldn't be much I could do, the challenge and the fun to me is if I could sucker him in close thinking he had a shot then snatch it away from him at the last moment and convert it to a reversal and snap shot opportunity of my own. Sure I would fail at first but after some tries it would start to click and hopefully the next time I'm in that situation I'll have choices.
The trick is balancing challenging yourself and maintaining a certain degree of success so that the learning process doesn't drive you batty. After awhile you should start to find more situations that are comfortable and in the MA where oftentimes you're faced with an unfavorable situation being comfortable and confident in yourself that you at least have a fighting chance of coming out on top is a good feeling.
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I was flying the Brewster in that situation I would look at as a challenge. If the 109K wants to he can sit up there all day long and there really wouldn't be much I could do, the challenge and the fun to me is if I could sucker him in close thinking he had a shot then snatch it away from him at the last moment and convert it to a reversal and snap shot opportunity of my own. Sure I would fail at first but after some tries it would start to click and hopefully the next time I'm in that situation I'll have choices.
The trick is balancing challenging yourself and maintaining a certain degree of success so that the learning process doesn't drive you batty. After awhile you should start to find more situations that are comfortable and in the MA where oftentimes you're faced with an unfavorable situation being comfortable and confident in yourself that you at least have a fighting chance of coming out on top is a good feeling.
I hear you.
But, in the limited time I have available online, I would rather spend it in a fight as opposed to watching some guy repeatedly try to rope me.
K-4, in this instance, is just an example. There are a few aggressive K-4 guys out there who regularly clean my clock. And, while I cuss all the way to the tower, at least I am not bored to death.
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Fighting from the bottom is one of my favorite things to do. Getting a kill with effective BnZ defense is a lot of fun when it goes right, plus you have a built in excuse that he attacked from advantage if it goes wrong. :D
And Drex, that's some Yoda stuff right there. It feels good with the HO and runners if you can give them your six to lure them back in and reverse it.
Wiley.
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Funny this came up as I have been struggling with this myself recently.
I tend to fly in a way that some may call timid and others "smart." I won't engage a con unless:
1) I have the advantage (alt)
or
2) It is at least CO-E
and
3) The numbers on each side are somewhat even (1v1, 2v3, 3v4, but not something stupid like 2v7).
Now some call that TIMID, others call it SMART. Makes no difference to me. The thing I have personally been struggling with is that I think this will "plateau" my learning curve. Hence, recently I have flown some sorties in attack mode and intentionally headed into a horde just to see how long I can live/evade the 3,4,5 enemy cons. I know it is suicide, and I will die. But at that point my goal is not to get kills, but to see what works for reversals/survival tactics.
My overall SA is pretty good, what I lack now is the ueber ACM skill that muppets and other's possess.....I am trying to pick up those skills and the above Timid and/or "Smart" "criteria" I laid out for myself are not helping in advancing that goal.
Sorry, the above is more of a statement than anything else :) Take it for what it is worth.
Check your PMs later. :aok
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If you want to shoot down a timid pilot running from you, make yourself a better target.
Drex
I do, I play dead until they make their mistake of coming back, but once the trap is sprung its adios amigos, then they really get more timid'er for the next time.... :D
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I don't think flying a 262 in itself is timid at all. There's different ways to look at the game you play and fight your opponents. Using a wise player's analogy, when a group of organisms get together, like fish, bees, gnats, etc, they form a swarm. The swarm acts like a separate organism in itself. Sure, in a 262 you aren't fighting the one bee or the one fishy (usually), but you are fighting the horde/swarm. A blob of skilless red icons embodies the same qualities of the analogy. There's no sense in trying to pick out one guy in a horde and fight him, as he is no longer 'one', you are fighting a small piece of a bigger opponent, the horde. To fight it requires smart flying and thinning it out in any means necessary.
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I do, I play dead until they make their mistake of coming back, but once the trap is sprung its adios amigos, then they really get more timid'er for the next time.... :D
Pot meet kettle. The few engagments Ive had with you have been behind the cloak of a horde. Last engagment you were killing LVTs in a LA and once you saw me up a plane, you dove hauling arse to land your 2 kills only to reup to HO me after I killed a couple of yer buds. Please dont try to be something your not, people see right through that :old:
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Pot meet kettle. The few engagments Ive had with you have been behind the cloak of a horde. Last engagment you were killing LVTs in a LA and once you saw me up a plane, you dove hauling arse to land your 2 kills only to reup to HO me after I killed a couple of yer buds. Please dont try to be something your not, people see right through that :old:
:rofl Seriously? are you even on this planet..... wow.
I cant even remember shooting you down anytime recently, if I was killing lvt's in a LA7, It would be safe to say I was busting up your NOE HORDE..... :rofl
Yep pretty sure that would be the case, I only fly the LA in that type of situation, against NOE's.
So your calling Pot meet what? :rofl
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:rofl Seriously? are you even on this planet..... wow.
I cant even remember shooting you down anytime recently, if I was killing lvt's in a LA7, It would be safe to say I was busting up your NOE HORDE..... :rofl
Yep pretty sure that would be the case, I only fly the LA in that type of situation, against NOE's.
So your calling Pot meet what? :rofl
Yep, as usual your right. Everyone that Ive engaged KNOWS how I love to go NOE and hit defensless feilds in hopes of winning the never ending war
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Timid = you don't want to die. :aok
Do you want to die?
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Timid means a wide range of things to a wide range of folks. I was "timid" last night facing a monstrous Rook horde. You get in to deep and it's over. No Fun. So I picked (pardon the pun) my fights. I have found most folks use timid as a derogatory term when someone does not want to fight in their preferred/advantageous manner. Fly what you want, when you want, how you want, where you want. Just have fun. :rock
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Timid = you don't want to die. :aok
I play for the fight, not for proving I can survive, others may get enjoyment out of 'not dieing'. I would much rather have a tough intense knife fight against a good stick and die than cherry pick all day, but thats just me, to each's own I guess.
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Yep, as usual your right. Everyone that Ive engaged KNOWS how I love to go NOE and hit defensless feilds in hopes of winning the never ending war
I know, now you know.
Its just not fun to die several times at any cost taking defenseless ords in the hopes of winning the never ending war, but hey some people pride themselves on it.
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I play for the fight, not for proving I can survive,
But you try to win that fight, don't you? And the next one, and the next one. You compete in every fight to win.
If 4 guys jump you, you realize you are probably going to die but you compete anyway, with the grim determination to get as many if not all of them before the gang gets you.
In short, you are trying to win. You win by shooting down the bad guy(s) without getting killed yourself. If this weren't the case, you would eschew ACM and simply HO everything in sight, willing to trade your "life" for each guy you ran into.
Because you are trying to best your opponent by killing him and not dying, Kazaa defines you as timid. Obviously, he was either goofing or his definition is flawed.
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Pot meet kettle. The few engagments Ive had with you have been behind the cloak of a horde. Last engagment you were killing LVTs in a LA and once you saw me up a plane, you dove hauling arse to land your 2 kills only to reup to HO me after I killed a couple of yer buds. Please dont try to be something your not, people see right through that :old:
I have never found this to be Dads way...If he is in a horde he is out front and the others are there for the scraps.
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My Idea of timid is.... when a con has alt and comes in at you but pulls back up at about D1000 if you are turning back to merge...constantly being 1000 off extending if you follow......with these You just have to risk it and bring them in really close and hope they aren't a good shot...
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Things that will make me think someone is timid.....
1. primary way of fighting is BNZ
2. running
3. going for an injured palne that is RTB
4.(this is for people on same side) Seeing a con higher then you and turning back around to get alt on them
5. HOing
6. Most every person in a F4U or P38
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But you try to win that fight, don't you? And the next one, and the next one. You compete in every fight to win.
If 4 guys jump you, you realize you are probably going to die but you compete anyway, with the grim determination to get as many if not all of them before the gang gets you.
In short, you are trying to win. You win by shooting down the bad guy(s) without getting killed yourself. If this weren't the case, you would eschew ACM and simply HO everything in sight, willing to trade your "life" for each guy you ran into.
Because you are trying to best your opponent by killing him and not dying, Kazaa defines you as timid. Obviously, he was either goofing or his definition is flawed.
The biggest misconception players get in here is they think just because they put you in the tower and get the kill msg, they are victorious. I can understand the competing aspect of human nature of wanting to "win" but ask yourself if you did it with pride.
Ive seen alot of "greats" in here that can put themselves in really bad positions either with alt or numbers and come out truely victorious. Those are the guys that deserve the respect of other players b/c they have been through being shot down a million times but now have learned to get it right. Most hate that stage because of too much pride, which is understandable..but never forget this is just a damn game for christ sake. I dont like to be shot down, but I shut up and accept it :bolt:
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Things that will make me think someone is timid.....
1. primary way of fighting is BNZ
2. running
3. going for an injured palne that is RTB
4.(this is for people on same side) Seeing a con higher then you and turning back around to get alt on them
5. HOing
6. Most every person in a F4U or P38
Your doing some major fishing arent ya :noid
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Things that will make me think someone is timid.....
1. primary way of fighting is BNZ
2. running
3. going for an injured palne that is RTB
4.(this is for people on same side) Seeing a con higher then you and turning back around to get alt on them
5. HOing
#3 could be debated, if the guy put up a decent fight I would let him go, however if he did any of the above he is toast.
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I laugh when people call 262s timid running dweebs.
I mean, think about it...why wouldn't a 262 run when in danger? Unless you're a Grizz. :noid
6. Most every person in a F4U or P38
Huh?
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Things that will make me think someone is timid.....
1. primary way of fighting is BNZ
2. running
3. going for an injured palne that is RTB
4.(this is for people on same side) Seeing a con higher then you and turning back around to get alt on them
5. HOing
6. Most every person in a F4U or P38
gee whiz wally, you just described everything you do :O
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I laugh when people call 262s timid running dweebs.
I mean, think about it...why wouldn't a 262 run when in danger? Unless you're a Grizz. :noid
Huh?
Grizz might have film of him and I turn fighting hordes in our 262s. Its only perks, you can get them back in 4 or 5 sorties.
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Somebody is new or its a shade :noid
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Your doing some major fishing arent ya :noid
Just a bit......but now that you bring it up Ill throw out some names of people I found to be timid in Hogs and 38s
38=VNE1............I have actually DAed him(in 38s) and hes not bad we went about even but his MA flying is straight up timid.
F4U=Shawk...........Again, I havnt DAed him but I have heard from plenty of good sticks that he is good. But when he comes in on a great 1v1 from about 15k to 8k just to get me, it makes me feel his MA flying is a bit timid.
38s and F4Us, IMO are some of the easiest planes to fly in a BNZ mode. F4U dives great while being able to outturn most everything, 38s have great climb and awesome guns with a decent ability in the dive. The way I see most Hog and 38 pilots flying comes off timid to me......just my opinion
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gee whiz wally, you just described everything you do :O
You are so shadeilicious
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Things that will make me think someone is timid.....
1. primary way of fighting is BNZ
2. running
3. going for an injured palne that is RTB
4.(this is for people on same side) Seeing a con higher then you and turning back around to get alt on them
5. HOing
6. Most every person in a F4U or P38
(http://www.toursaver.com/images/toursaver.com/Image/alaska-fishing.jpg)
Even though I know you're fishing...
1. Nothing wrong with BnZ tactics especially if you're not using a turn fighter.
2. I'll jump into really bad odds and then run if I don't get shot down, if I can't get at least 1 kill, and/or if the gang gets bigger...I'll even run if I see something coming at me that I know whatever I'm flying can't possibly win against...and I'm far from timid.
3. If the plane happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time...too bad...if he's close to the runway, I'll let him go.
4. If the con has alt and cannot be engaged in a manner that has some chance of success...turn around and grab alt.
5. Shoot first.
6. Refer to number 1.
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gee whiz wally, you just described everything you do :O
I kinda want to know who this guy is. Then I want to see a film of me doing anything I just said. After that we can meet up right now in the DA if they have time. :devil
Huh?
"most"
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Just a bit......but now that you bring it up Ill throw out some names of people I found to be timid in Hogs and 38s
38=VNE1............I have actually DAed him(in 38s) and hes not bad we went about even but his MA flying is straight up timid.
F4U=Shawk...........Again, I havnt DAed him but I have heard from plenty of good sticks that he is good. But when he comes in on a great 1v1 from about 15k to 8k just to get me, it makes me feel his MA flying is a bit timid.
38s and F4Us, IMO are some of the easiest planes to fly in a BNZ mode. F4U dives great while being able to outturn most everything, 38s have great climb and awesome guns with a decent ability in the dive. The way I see most Hog and 38 pilots flying comes off timid to me......just my opinion
IMO the "better pilots" tend to get into the J more often...don't know why. The L is used 90% of the time as a bomb truck. As the hog is (I said it in another thread) the 38 is easy to fly but hard to master.
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Grizz might have film of him and I turn fighting hordes in our 262s. Its only perks, you can get them back in 4 or 5 sorties.
I was flyin with him, kappa on ndisles in FT over an nme base...what a blast it is to just be there. At the time I didn't have enough for a 262 (10 perks under) but I brought a 234 over. Spent a good amt of time over there and I think Grizz RTB'd with 9, Kappa with 5 and myself with 5. Good times, very fun.
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(http://www.toursaver.com/images/toursaver.com/Image/alaska-fishing.jpg)
Even though I know you're fishing...
1. Nothing wrong with BnZ tactics especially if you're not using a turn fighter.
2. I'll jump into really bad odds and then run if I don't get shot down, if I can't get at least 1 kill, and/or if the gang gets bigger...I'll even run if I see something coming at me that I know whatever I'm flying can't possibly win against...and I'm far from timid.
3. If the plane happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time...too bad...if he's close to the runway, I'll let him go.
4. If the con has alt and cannot be engaged in a manner that has some chance of success...turn around and grab alt.
5. Shoot first.
6. Refer to number 1.
Im not fishing that hard. This is a personal thing right? I dont care if a Con has 10K alt on me Im going to fly below him, If he comes in on me Im saying "GREAT" 9 times out of 10 he will be running from me in acouple of passes. No offense, I know you HO and bnz and all that....your flying to me may be very timid but its your choice...Ill give you crap on 200 but in the end its your own flying
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IMO the "better pilots" tend to get into the J more often...don't know why. The L is used 90% of the time as a bomb truck. As the hog is (I said it in another thread) the 38 is easy to fly but hard to master.
The Hog I wouldnt say is hard to "master" but the 38 is if you dont fly timid.
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Well IMO, it isn't. Check the post Ghost quoted and the posts after that.
Even if it would be as you say (and it isn't), there still wouldn't be anything wrong with what Ghost says. His personal opinion is allowed to differ from that of Trainer Corps.
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The Hog I wouldnt say is hard to "master" but the 38 is if you dont fly timid.
You may be getting "flying the 38 to it's unique advantages" and "timid" mixed up. Rarely would you see a 38 turning with a Zero, unless it's Dan or someone. :) But using it's slashing attacks and verticals, counter rotating props to it's advantages is what 99% of the guys I know, do. Me I suck at it anyway but I try...
I don't know much about the hog except they eat my 234's 20mms nicely heheh. Those hover flaps get damn annoying in the vert with a hog. But I love it when they deploy the flaps when I am on the guy's six.
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You are so shadeilicious
will the real slim shadey please stand up!
I kinda want to know who this guy is. Then I want to see a film of me doing anything I just said. After that we can meet up right now in the DA if they have time. :devil
I am mojorizn, I came back last month. I was here around 5 years ago. I have no film, only what people have said online when I asked about you except you was flying as a girl? Jenny! I can try and meet you online in the DA sometime this day
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But you try to win that fight, don't you?
Absolutely, and I agree with you, that if Kazaa defines that as timid, I strongly disagree with him.
My point was that I don't shy from a fight, nor do I refrain from getting my hands dirty and scraping with 4 or more cons at once because I don't think I will win and that a 'timid' person would.
I guess I should say, being timid is when you shy away from fights because you don't have some large advantage.
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Im not fishing that hard. This is a personal thing right? I dont care if a Con has 10K alt on me Im going to fly below him, If he comes in on me Im saying "GREAT" 9 times out of 10 he will be running from me in acouple of passes. No offense, I know you HO and bnz and all that....your flying to me may be very timid but its your choice...Ill give you crap on 200 but in the end its your own flying
Actually, I will do whatever I can with whatever situation comes along...if I have alt, I'm diving in doesn't matter how many cons are in the area...if I'm low and slow, I'm running at least long enough to be able to fight on equal terms...if a friendly asks if I need help, they get informed that it's open season...if my plane is shot up or I'm low ammo or gas, I'm running back to a friendly base...and it's an extremely rare occasion that you will see me in anything but a 20 or 30 ENY plane.
Doesn't matter how much crap you give me on 200... :neener:
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Even if it would be as you say (and it isn't), there still wouldn't be anything wrong with what Ghost says. His personal opinion is allowed to differ from that of Trainer Corps.
I'd like to hear your opinion why "it isn't"?
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less Timidity and more Temerity I say!
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Like I said in the original post, I often run if the guy's co-E on my six in something that turns better than I do. Call that timid if you like, I call it either 'flying to the strengths of my airframe' or 'admitting defeat'.
I call is "suckage" :aok
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Skyrock told me once that he'd rather have a con behind him then in front. It took me a long time to figure out what he meant. The overshoot is a thing a beauty. Especially if they can out turn you. :rock
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Two concepts to clairify about this game to understand TIMID.
1. This is a game and a flight simulator in which no one dies.
2. Game definition of deing = LOOSING
Point (1.) has allowed a subset group of very talented computer simulation game players to push the theoretical limits of computer simulated WW2 aircraft in simulated combat beyond what MOST real WW2 pilots were willing to do because the price was their single REAL life. Unlimited Lives = Unlimited Opportunities for Skills Development = Grizz.
Point (2.) demonstrates the core of human nature is an aversion to LOOSING. WE ALL HATE TO LOOSE. Clinically its a very healty manifistation of our Fight or Flight response. Because we fear death we fear LOOSING. How each individual expresses a social response to LOOSING in this game then becomes a measure of their personal coping mechanism to the fear of loosing and FEAR in general.
Here is a way to understand why only a few in Aces High are as talented as Grizz, a third are solid good sticks and the rest run the gamut of fair weather players to pure cowardess. The Army performed a study to understand how and why soldiers react in combat. They found at Gettysburg a very common issue. Muskets that had been loaded up to 9 times and never fired. Reports of soldiers who would reload and hand their musket to a small number of soldiers who had no problem mowing down the enemy. Soldiers who would close their eyes every time they fired at another human being. And that third of solid soldiers who performed their duties as needed. This personality formula held true from Bunker Hill through Viet Nam.
Most humans do not handle fear very well, and in the heat of the moment during a combat immersion simulator we get what we pay for. A real response to fake stimulus by our older animal brain. Thus you get questions and contrversy about TIMID game play. The historical solution to poor fear response has been to publicly shame the individual. One of the Army's solutions eventualy was better training.
Horses and water come to mind about now because the definition of winning for some in this game is complained about as TIMID by the more talented. As long as you have an anonymous Internet, Public shaming is a WIN for the anonymous target of your indignation. After all HiTech did say this game is about pissing off the other guy. He never defined HOW............
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Skyrock told me once that he'd rather have a con behind him then in front. It took me a long time to figure out what he meant. The overshoot is a thing a beauty. Especially if they can out turn you. :rock
Sometimes you have to give them a shot to get yours. :)
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I often run if the guy's co-E on my six in something that turns better than I do.
Wiley.
Well there's more to a fight than turning. If you are Co-E and can get enough separation to turn around, you should at least go after the guy to find out if you can beat him. That doesn't mean you have to give him a kill if you can't get guns on him, but at the least you should reverse and see what he's made of. Even in my turd of a plane(51D) I'll reverse and see if I can beat a better turner(most planes). Some of the fight is up to pilot skill.
If it's clear his better turner/climber is going to defeat my dog, I'll extricate myself from the mess(feel free to call me a runner) and usually try again. Sometimes I fail and get keeled. Sometimes I win though!
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Two concepts to clairify about this game to understand TIMID.
1. This is a game and a flight simulator in which no one dies.
2. Game definition of deing = LOOSING
Point (1.) has allowed a subset group of very talented computer simulation game players to push the theoretical limits of computer simulated WW2 aircraft in simulated combat beyond what MOST real WW2 pilots were willing to do because the price was their single REAL life. Unlimited Lives = Unlimited Opportunities for Skills Development = Grizz.
Point (2.) demonstrates the core of human nature is an aversion to LOOSING. WE ALL HATE TO LOOSE. Clinically its a very healty manifistation of our Fight or Flight response. Because we fear death we fear LOOSING. How each individual expresses a social response to LOOSING in this game then becomes a measure of their personal coping mechanism to the fear of loosing and FEAR in general.
Here is a way to understand why only a few in Aces High are as talented as Grizz, a third are solid good sticks and the rest run the gamut of fair weather players to pure cowardess. The Army performed a study to understand how and why soldiers react in combat. They found at Gettysburg a very common issue. Muskets that had been loaded up to 9 times and never fired. Reports of soldiers who would reload and hand their musket to a small number of soldiers who had no problem mowing down the enemy. Soldiers who would close their eyes every time they fired at another human being. And that third of solid soldiers who performed their duties as needed. This personality formula held true from Bunker Hill through Viet Nam.
Most humans do not handle fear very well, and in the heat of the moment during a combat immersion simulator we get what we pay for. A real response to fake stimulus by our older animal brain. Thus you get questions and contrversy about TIMID game play. The historical solution to poor fear response has been to publicly shame the individual. One of the Army's solutions eventualy was better training.
Horses and water come to mind about now because the definition of winning for some in this game is complained about as TIMID by the more talented. As long as you have an anonymous Internet, Public shaming is a WIN for the anonymous target of your indignation. After all HiTech did say this game is about pissing off the other guy. He never defined HOW............
Sure, my adrenalin goes up and thats what makes it fun, but by no means am I scared or do I sense any extreme form of fear. Are people actually scared by the game? I can understand peoples responses in real war, but I have never felt like my RL life was in danger and if I did, I wouldn't play the game... '
Better stated, are people that afraid of loosing that they refuse to loose to learn?
Isn't that what life is all about, learning from your mistakes and growing?
or is it just dweeby ego bs... aka, my ego is greater than my skills so I'm just going to be lame and beat my chest over nothing... look at me, I have a high k/d, (because I don't take any risks).
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I'd like to hear your opinion why "it isn't"?
Because it's just his opinion about a very abstract term. There's nothing wrong or right about it.
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Erm... well... uh... :huh
Truthfully? I'm more apt to run if the guy is co-E than if he's got speed on me. I have more confidence in my BnZ defense than my co-E defense. :joystick:
I think I might've been in or near that group you were talking about last night, thought I saw your name once or twice. Fun fights the two or three times it was even. :salute
Like I said in the original post, I often run if the guy's co-E on my six in something that turns better than I do. Call that timid if you like, I call it either 'flying to the strengths of my airframe' or 'admitting defeat'. :neener:
Wiley.
Wiley,
instead of running, turn to the right, drop a notch of flaps, and as soon as the guy on your 6 pulls lead for a shot, pull up, snap roll the plane to the left, and press the trigger. With a little practice, you'll be baiting people to get on your 6.
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If it's clear his better turner/climber is going to defeat my dog, I'll extricate myself from the mess(feel free to call me a runner) and usually try again.
That's pretty much the point I was making, just giving a specific example. I tend to fly P47, C205 (why yes, I do compensate for my gunnery with big guns!), Corsairs, and so on. I don't tend to fly planes that are particularly good turners all that much.
I completely agree that if you can't beat the plane you can often beet the pilot, but reference Bipolar's comment on 'suckage', and well, there you have it. :joystick:
I did get the drop on a couple 109Fs that were on the deck on my six running my 47D11 down, and it did feel damn good, but realistically I shouldn't have expected to get away with turning with them. I think the surprise of going for the overshoot and dumping my E threw them. <g>
Ardy- I have been gradually getting the 'touch' to low speed fight in the stuff I fly. My problem is, part of the fun for me is flying different planes, so I don't spend long periods of time in one airframe learning its intricacies. People who talk about 'spending a tour in the P38' or things along that line are mindboggling to me.
Wiley.
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Ardy- I have been gradually getting the 'touch' to low speed fight in the stuff I fly. My problem is, part of the fun for me is flying different planes, so I don't spend long periods of time in one airframe learning its intricacies. People who talk about 'spending a tour in the P38' or things along that line are mindboggling to me.
Wiley.
What I was describing was a move you can do in any plane, hell I even saw Juggler doing it in a ju88 in TT several weeks ago.
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What I was describing was a move you can do in any plane, hell I even saw Juggler doing it in a ju88 in TT several weeks ago.
I fought Juggler a time or three, he's exceptional. :)
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I'll fiddle with it if the opportunity arises, and it will... :D :salute
Wiley.
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I fought Juggler a time or three, he's exceptional. :)
Are you sure you not confusing him with Juggalo? Now that guy was exceptional :D
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Because it's just his opinion about a very abstract term. There's nothing wrong or right about it.
Heh, ok. :) You somewhat missed the whole thing...
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Anyway, just a general comment...in my opinion, anyone can have whatever thoughts about someones flying habits but the moment they start whining about them they are out of line as its none of their business.
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will the real slim shadey please stand up!
I am mojorizn, I came back last month. I was here around 5 years ago. I have no film, only what people have said online when I asked about you except you was flying as a girl? Jenny! I can try and meet you online in the DA sometime this day
Well troll Im back to JunkyII, and who do you ask about my flying?
:noid
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When you're at an advantage with #'s adv. even, but still run.
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You may be getting "flying the 38 to it's unique advantages" and "timid" mixed up. Rarely would you see a 38 turning with a Zero, unless it's Dan or someone. :) But using it's slashing attacks and verticals, counter rotating props to it's advantages is what 99% of the guys I know, do. Me I suck at it anyway but I try...
I don't know much about the hog except they eat my 234's 20mms nicely heheh. Those hover flaps get damn annoying in the vert with a hog. But I love it when they deploy the flaps when I am on the guy's six.
90% of the people who fly 38s you probably dont know :aok Whenever I fight a 38, its a name I either reconize which is normally either a good fight or the headhunters are winging up again. Or its someone like VNE who just keeps his advantage over the fight just to get high K/D ratio.....no skill in that....just timid flying
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If I see a lone enemy con I will engage.I usually lose.I use my eyesight,being old and feeble,can't hit my butt with both hands,and just plain going downhill fast.It will happen to everyone someday.I will enter a fight to help a squaddie,fellow knight,or I will stay out if they call me off.I will never leave a friend to die to a horde.I went into a horde trying to help a fellow country man,w/o ammo the other day.We both died...no big deal.I will not engage a horde all by myself,that is stupid.If I can pick someone,I will.I don't consider myself timid.If I'm fighting some one and I'm losing I will flee.That's my take on timidness.Been flying sims a long time.I don't usually mess with "buffs",without a couple of helpers."Buffs" have an unfair advantage,but it's been that way as long as I can remember.When it comes to "HO's",I'm timid.I lose everytime.I wish they had the Air Warrior no collision,low % of "HO" shots connecting.The collision model is probably the worst problem that this sim has,but you can't have everything.That's all I have to say.Long live Air Warrior FR!!!
Dobe
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.I will not engage a horde all by myself,that is stupid.
Dobe
Really? I like to take it one step further and up at fields that are almost capped and fight on the deck against overwhelming odds. I probably will not survive but its intense and its great defensive ACM practice. I'm not sure how loosing is stupid, you get a brand new shiny factory fresh plane because of it and you get better much faster. :banana:
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Really? I like to take it one step further and up at fields that are almost capped and fight on the deck against overwhelming odds. I probably will not survive but its intense and its great defensive ACM practice. I'm not sure how loosing is stupid, you get a brand new shiny factory fresh plane because of it and you get better much faster. :banana:
Thanks for telling us; we were waiting so intently to hear of your bravery in the cartoon skies!
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Things that will make me think someone is timid.....
1. primary way of fighting is BNZ
2. running
3. going for an injured palne that is RTB
4.(this is for people on same side) Seeing a con higher then you and turning back around to get alt on them
5. HOing
6. Most every person in a F4U or P38
Only one of the points you listed (#2) is only really relevent to being timid. Some planes are condusive to fight a certain way. A FW 190D-9 is suited for BnZ and Energy Fighting and not Angles Fighting. So, you're basically saying that if you don't turn, you're timid and that is a rather broad and inaccurate statement. I would suggest the problem with most that BnZ is that they don't know how to do it properly, which leads to cries of being timid. Someone that knows how to properly BnZ can easily manage and triumph in a multi-vs. one engagement. I would hardly call someone like that timid. YMMV.
Going for plane that is injured or RTB isn't timid, the attack has no way to know if the guy is bingo or not and if the guy that is damaged or trying to RTB is caught in the area of battle, he's fair game.
If you see a con that is higher and you're able to grab long enough to get coalt, how is this being timid? Or are you trying to say that anyone that does not fight at a disadvantage is timid? No offense but I've seen you many times grab outside of a furball so you can be either co-alt or higher than the attackers.
Someone that HO's isn't an indicator that someone is timid, it's just an indicator that you may be facing someone that doesn't know how to fight or have a good grasp of ACM.
Your last point is really funny. The same could be said of anyone that flies a Bf 109K-4, P-51D or any other number of aircraft in the game. Your last point is just another of those idiotic "I fly a man's plane, you don't, so you're timid" comments, like giving someone crap for flying a Spitfire.
As I mentioned in my previous post, it's since time immortal, timid has usually been reserved for someone that doesn't fight at all and will only engage if there is absolutely zero risk of danger when they do. It's not from how someone fights, you can be an E fighter and still be very aggressive and the opposite is true, you can be an Angles fighter and be extremely timid.
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Thanks for telling us; we were waiting so intently to hear of your bravery in the cartoon skies!
:rofl :rofl
I'm sorry, I didn't intend on coming off that way, I was just trying to offer how dieing and taking enormous risk can be benifitial rather than detrimental in the long run to ones skills. How being timid does not help you.
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Thanks for telling us; we were waiting so intently to hear of your bravery in the cartoon skies!
:rofl Ill match his uberness, and Ill up an IL2 at said capped base. :D
JennyDrama's gone? :cry VICTORY! :D
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Somebody is new or its a shade :noid
If you're referring to Mojo, he's not new. Possibly a shade but in any event, a pretty good stick. Ran into him a few times in the MW arena got had some excellent fights.
ack-ack
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example I saw last night. Two spits were winging...attached every single plane they saw together. Several cons upped to engage them....spits still had alt...but quickly lost it as they tried to bnz more cons than they could handle. Spit16 started to head towards his base with me on his long/low 6. His fellow spit had reversed to clear him...that spit got caught up and drug down with 4 guys on him. Spit16 I was on...turned...looked at his wingie...turned tail towards base and left the guy. I follow a long...he never once breaks to engage me about 2-3k back. Near his base, a ki84 ups and heads towards me....then and only then does the spit16 turn and try to engage me as I avoid the ki84. That is timid to me. They both died. Wonder why...
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Planes are free, take as many as you like :D no need to worry about how many times i die, just reup another one and try again :aok
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:rofl :rofl
I'm sorry, I didn't intend on coming off that way, I was just trying to offer how dieing and taking enormous risk can be benifitial rather than detrimental in the long run to ones skills. How being timid does not help you.
Ardy, I completely understand what your doing and I think your going about it the right way, in a short time you will learn so much about fighting your way up rather than creating the habit of avoiding a higher con, its fantastic training. You may die alot now but it will pay off later big time. Good for you. :aok
If you're referring to Mojo, he's not new. Possibly a shade but in any event, a pretty good stick. Ran into him a few times in the MW arena got had some excellent fights.
ack-ack
I realize that now, welcome back Mojo. See you in the friendly skies. :airplane:
example I saw last night. Two spits were winging...attached every single plane they saw together. Several cons upped to engage them....spits still had alt...but quickly lost it as they tried to bnz more cons than they could handle. Spit16 started to head towards his base with me on his long/low 6. His fellow spit had reversed to clear him...that spit got caught up and drug down with 4 guys on him. Spit16 I was on...turned...looked at his wingie...turned tail towards base and left the guy. I follow a long...he never once breaks to engage me about 2-3k back. Near his base, a ki84 ups and heads towards me....then and only then does the spit16 turn and try to engage me as I avoid the ki84. That is timid to me. They both died. Wonder why...
Had I been the spit I would have gave it a try, sounds like at least a 5 on 2, for some wingman pairs thats a fair fight.
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example I saw last night. Two spits were winging...attached every single plane they saw together. Several cons upped to engage them....spits still had alt...but quickly lost it as they tried to bnz more cons than they could handle. Spit16 started to head towards his base with me on his long/low 6. His fellow spit had reversed to clear him...that spit got caught up and drug down with 4 guys on him. Spit16 I was on...turned...looked at his wingie...turned tail towards base and left the guy. I follow a long...he never once breaks to engage me about 2-3k back. Near his base, a ki84 ups and heads towards me....then and only then does the spit16 turn and try to engage me as I avoid the ki84. That is timid to me. They both died. Wonder why...
that kind of thing pisses me off to no end. :furious I'm glad ya killed the twit btw. :aok
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If you're referring to Mojo, he's not new. Possibly a shade but in any event, a pretty good stick. Ran into him a few times in the MW arena got had some excellent fights.
ack-ack
Was he flying a LaLa? The way he types his cpid makes me think of Ramaul/corncob
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You may die alot now but it will pay off later big time.
It won't. He'll get fatigued, having nightmares at night, maybe even suffering severe mental disorder.
That way he'll possibly end up participating in air races instead of fighting...
You don't know what in game simulated air combat does to you. Statistics do not lie. It's one of the reasons why most of the people in AH avoid fighting if possible. It's not good for you. Not at all.
Long live, Ardy :salute
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It won't. He'll get fatigued, having nightmares at night, maybe even suffering severe mental disorder.
I can attest to that :(
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It won't. ,,, maybe even suffering severe mental disorder.
He will fit right in with the rest of us pretty well........ :rofl
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Was he flying a LaLa? The way he types his cpid makes me think of Ramaul/corncob
When I had the fights with him in the MW, he was in a Corsair.
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It won't. He'll get fatigued, having nightmares at night, maybe even suffering severe mental disorder.
That way he'll possibly end up participating in air races instead of fighting...
You don't know what in game simulated air combat does to you. Statistics do not lie. It's one of the reasons why most of the people in AH avoid fighting if possible. It's not good for you. Not at all.
Long live, Ardy :salute
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
the nightmares have begun :noid :noid
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It won't. He'll get fatigued, having nightmares at night, maybe even suffering severe mental disorder. End up living in a van down by the river
Long live, Uptown!
fixed :D
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It never fails to amuse me how when the word "timid" pops up, the first thing out of everyones mouth is P51 :rolleyes:
Whats it matter. there arent that many people that are all that good in it anyway LOL
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BTW The most "timid" pilots to me are some of the ones I've seen since the ack change at the bases.
Sure you have your standard ack huggers.
but the timid guys are the ones that come in with all kinds of alt and E advantage. and as soon as you wear them down to its even close to an even fight. they run and circle their ack
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Good luck.
Good point.
This has had 120 posts in less than 13 hours? :huh i...uhh....what did i start here? :rofl
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You will be a masterbaiter in no time Bar :old:
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Only one of the points you listed (#2) is only really relevent to being timid. Some planes are condusive to fight a certain way. A FW 190D-9 is suited for BnZ and Energy Fighting and not Angles Fighting. So, you're basically saying that if you don't turn, you're timid and that is a rather broad and inaccurate statement. I would suggest the problem with most that BnZ is that they don't know how to do it properly, which leads to cries of being timid. Someone that knows how to properly BnZ can easily manage and triumph in a multi-vs. one engagement. I would hardly call someone like that timid. YMMV.
Going for plane that is injured or RTB isn't timid, the attack has no way to know if the guy is bingo or not and if the guy that is damaged or trying to RTB is caught in the area of battle, he's fair game.
If you see a con that is higher and you're able to grab long enough to get coalt, how is this being timid? Or are you trying to say that anyone that does not fight at a disadvantage is timid? No offense but I've seen you many times grab outside of a furball so you can be either co-alt or higher than the attackers.
Someone that HO's isn't an indicator that someone is timid, it's just an indicator that you may be facing someone that doesn't know how to fight or have a good grasp of ACM.
Your last point is really funny. The same could be said of anyone that flies a Bf 109K-4, P-51D or any other number of aircraft in the game. Your last point is just another of those idiotic "I fly a man's plane, you don't, so you're timid" comments, like giving someone crap for flying a Spitfire.
As I mentioned in my previous post, it's since time immortal, timid has usually been reserved for someone that doesn't fight at all and will only engage if there is absolutely zero risk of danger when they do. It's not from how someone fights, you can be an E fighter and still be very aggressive and the opposite is true, you can be an Angles fighter and be extremely timid.
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For the BnZ comment I meant they do it in whatever they fly. My last point wasnt to troll any hog or 38 sticks, the majority I come across are normally perch grabbers.
I wish I would have saved the film but I ran into trigg3r from the blind bats, he was in a corsair at 18k and I was in a Temp at 12k....we were all alone no other dar around. After several failed BNZ attempts I almost got to CO E and he ran towards home I followed. Once I was within 1k he split S backed towards base eventually runnning into his ack and called some buddies to help. These are the type people that make me think Hogs and 38s are normally timid.
HOs in my opinion is just an easy way out of a fight, kinda like kicking someone in the nuts...nuff said
"If you see a con that is higher and you're able to grab long enough to get coalt, how is this being timid? Or are you trying to say that anyone that does not fight at a disadvantage is timid? No offense but I've seen you many times grab outside of a furball so you can be either co-alt or higher than the attackers"
Need film with that, I normally go right into the fight....gets me killed alot but I feel it makes me better in the long run. What Im talking about is the person who turns around toward friendlys to grab more alt, its like they are using their friendlys as bait.
I know certain planes cant really "turn" but even with a dora or P51 you can merge with a plane getting an advantage on them and keeping it a fight, not running a sector then coming back on top.
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I don't think flying a 262 in itself is timid at all. There's different ways to look at the game you play and fight your opponents. Using a wise player's analogy, when a group of organisms get together, like fish, bees, gnats, etc, they form a swarm. The swarm acts like a separate organism in itself. Sure, in a 262 you aren't fighting the one bee or the one fishy (usually), but you are fighting the horde/swarm. A blob of skilless red icons embodies the same qualities of the analogy. There's no sense in trying to pick out one guy in a horde and fight him, as he is no longer 'one', you are fighting a small piece of a bigger opponent, the horde. To fight it requires smart flying and thinning it out in any means necessary.
That's true, although all of last night i was in a 262 below 5k picking on lil nitties who couldnt attack me. To tell you the truth i got so aggressive that i actually made the mistake multiple times of allowing an enemy to get within 600 yards of my 6... In fact a C205 got 400 off my 6 and didnt hit me once! :huh how i did not die i do not know. I know friendlies cleared my 6 but each time they could it was after the enemy was over 1k away and no longer a threat... when i usually see 262s they're actually ZnBing. The entire fight i was under 400mph and sometimes as slow as 200 turn fighting other planes. There was no enemy horde mentality and both sides had 6 people fighting at the most and we were outnumbered and the enemy had alt mostly. I never flew "smart". or maybe im just misinterpreting your statement grizz.
You will be a masterbaiter in no time Bar :old:
YES!!!! the power...i feel it already... :t :D
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I could only manage 6 pages out of these guys on my last troll attempt. :D
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Flying a 262 on the deck and picking planes that are taking off is timid :noid
:devil
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I could only manage 6 pages out of these guys on my last troll attempt. :D
Who said anything about trolling :uhoh :rofl i remember that thread though. Left it nice and quickly :bolt:
Flying a 262 on the deck and picking planes that are taking off is timid :noid
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Wouldnt that be less timid due to the 37mm auto acks shooting ur wing off? I avoid vulching in 262s :rolleyes:
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Flying a 262 on the deck and picking planes that are taking off is timid :noid
Lol not timid, but definitely sneaky and rude. :P
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High 262s have never worrried me. It's the ones on the deck that make me nervous.
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High 262s have never worrried me. It's the ones on the deck that make me nervous.
thats the only way to fly one. no need in getting above 5k. its pointless
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While there have always been hordes in these flight sims over the years, its only in the past 3-4 years I realized that most people prefer to fly in them, picking at the scraps and surviving, rather than going someplace with few cons but a guarranteed good fight.
Be a lion..hyenas are funny looking.
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Ok... I was just reading a wishlist thread about the name in lights in game and was reading about timidness. Time to see what people consider "timid" and what isn't. Like if you're in a 262 could a person NOT be "timid"? or if you're in a zero could you actually fly away from a fight and be able to be timid? Opinions and light discussions only please :lol ... im tired of these stupid thread locking name maimer arguments back and forth.
Keep it in the context in which it was used in that thread you mentioned. I do believe I was the one who used timid first.
For me the timid guys are the ones who leave the fight to land their kills when there is still a fight to be had. It isn't about broken birds, or out of ammo or fuel. It's about being so concerned that folks will see your kills landed and give you a big attaboy, that you fly to avoid a fight you can't win for sure.
Bottom line is, whatever is fun for you is the way to fly. I can't see not turning back into the fight if I still have enough parts on the old 38G to do so. The fun is trying to survive as long as I can. Of course that usually isn't long, but it's fun for me. I don't expect that everyone feels that way, but since I'm not really dying and 38Gs are free, I figure I'll use them up.
Bottom line is, whatever is fun for you is the way to fly.
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Keep it in the context in which it was used in that thread you mentioned. I do believe I was the one who used timid first.
For me the timid guys are the ones who leave the fight to land their kills when there is still a fight to be had. It isn't about broken birds, or out of ammo or fuel. It's about being so concerned that folks will see your kills landed and give you a big attaboy, that you fly to avoid a fight you can't win for sure.
Your 4 .50's never run out of ammo, that's why you don't have ot leave the fight. lol
I fly til I die or run out of ammo. I rarely run out of gas.
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Your 4 .50's never run out of ammo, that's why you don't have ot leave the fight. lol
I fly til I die or run out of ammo. I rarely run out of gas.
I tend to run out of gas before ammo but then the Lightning has a crap load of ammo that even with 5 kills I usually still have over a 1000 rounds left.
ack-ack
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Your 4 .50's never run out of ammo, that's why you don't have ot leave the fight. lol
I fly til I die or run out of ammo. I rarely run out of gas.
You've seen me shoot. I can run out of ammo in a 38, although I usually die before it happens :)
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For me the timid guys are the ones who leave the fight to land their kills when there is still a fight to be had. It isn't about broken birds, or out of ammo or fuel. It's about being so concerned that folks will see your kills landed and give you a big attaboy, that you fly to avoid a fight you can't win for sure.
Bottom line is, whatever is fun for you is the way to fly.
Bottom line i agree with and never doubted it... but are they really timid or just skilled enough to be able to know when to withdraw from a fight in order to survive? and also if the person lands with multiple kills wouldn't this mean he is actually a good pilot? for me timid would include if this said flyer left a fight while a teammate was being shot at or in need of assistance... THIS would be the timid aspect... If i ever land kills i make sure there's another flyer or two right next to me from the same fight landing at the same time. If i fail in saving them... well at least i tried and then i leave hopefully with enough room to extract myself from the ensuing danger around me from when i responded to a help call...
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What is this "TIMID" yall talk about. I think I remember someone mentioning that in the past. :D
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Timid is letting someone's opinion dictate when you enter or leave a fight.
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Timid is letting someone's opinion dictate when you enter or leave a fight.
There's a first...quoted for truth.
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Timid is letting someone's opinion dictate when you enter or leave a fight.
YeeHaww!
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Timid is letting someone's opinion dictate when you enter or leave a fight.
Sounds more like a cop-out.
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Sounds more like a cop-out.
Do you let others dictate how you fly?
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Do you let others dictate how you fly?
I do. Alot of times whos in a furball will dictate where I fly also. That's one of my biggest pet peeves about being in a squad.
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Do you let others dictate how you fly?
Of course, for example. If someone runs, I give chase. If they stay and fight, I keel them or die trying. If they gang me I egress.
Most of the time their actions dictate my reaction and how I will respond, so yes you can say that others will dictate how I fly.
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I think that's the reason we all like to fly online against real folks instead of some AI thing. You never know what to expect. It keeps things fresh and new.
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others may dictate how you die, but your flying is all your own. you can't put that on the other players. no matter what they do, you still have choices
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others may dictate how you die, but your flying is all your own. you can't put that on the other players. no matter what they do, you still have choices
That's sig material right there. Damn Irish, didn't think you had it in ya. :D
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others may dictate how you die, but your flying is all your own. you can't put that on the other players. no matter what they do, you still have choices
Your correct. But there is other choices than the default "avoid".
Simply not engaging without overwhelming certainty of success in a kill and only while attaining all advantages isn't necessarily timid, but when and until they actually avoid someone that gains an equal advantage to give them a fight and avoids or flees, That's Timid.
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Your correct. But there is other choices than the default "avoid".
Simply not engaging without overwhelming certainty of success in a kill and only while attaining all advantages isn't necessarily timid, but when and until they actually avoid someone that gains an equal advantage to give them a fight and avoids or flees, That's Timid.
i'd have to agree
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I don't know Irish :headscratch: Maybe this is where I got it all wrong, but I'll fight a vetern player alot different then I would the new guy in town. Most of the long time players like a battle of angles and you can kind of mess around and try new things during this type of fight. Where as the new niki driver just wants a quick kill and will shoot you at anything in front of them. So I'd be alot more weary of the guy that hoes on every pass. Alot of times I'll just turn around and go find somewhere else to fight. Does this make sense? :lol
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That's sig material right there. Damn Irish, didn't think you had it in ya. :D
i have my moments :D
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I don't know Irish :headscratch: Maybe this is where I got it all wrong, but I'll fight a vetern player alot different then I would the new guy in town. Most of the long time players like a battle of angles and you can kind of mess around and try new things during this type of fight. Where as the new niki driver just wants a quick kill and will shoot you at anything in front of them. So I'd be alot more weary of the guy that hoes on every pass. Alot of times I'll just turn around and go find somewhere else to fight. Does this make sense? :lol
makes sense to me! :aok
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What is really.. I mean really, amusing to me is that several people in here are trying to describe "timid" when they themselves are quite timid.
Here's a hint: If you're getting 5 or so.. or less kills per hour and you're not a 6 month noob, you're timid. I don't care what your excuse is... you're timid.
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What is really.. I mean really, amusing to me is that several people in here are trying to describe "timid" when they themselves are quite timid.
Here's a hint: If you're getting 5 or so.. or less kills per hour and you're not a 6 month noob, you're timid. I don't care what your excuse is... you're timid.
How about poor aim and 30 assistes an hour? :D
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What is really.. I mean really, amusing to me is that several people in here are trying to describe "timid" when they themselves are quite timid.
Here's a hint: If you're getting 5 or so.. or less kills per hour and you're not a 6 month noob, you're timid. I don't care what your excuse is... you're timid.
you can be afk for 30 minutes of every hour :aok
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Damn you. I was in the middle of a fart and now I have to change my shorts :D
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What is really.. I mean really, amusing to me is that several people in here are trying to describe "timid" when they themselves are quite timid.
Here's a hint: If you're getting 5 or so.. or less kills per hour and you're not a 6 month noob, you're timid. I don't care what your excuse is... you're timid.
That's just as arbitray and pigheadedly opinionated as every other post in this thread.
What makes you so special to dictate how often others should get kills? Eh?
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you can be afk for 30 minutes of every hour :aok
Tower time is not counted towards kills per hour. Only flight time is considered.
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Sounds more like a cop-out.
Fortunately, your opinions mean squat :lol
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That's just as arbitray and pigheadedly opinionated as every other post in this thread.
What makes you so special to dictate how often others should get kills? Eh?
I make me special. I'm just as entitled as anyone else to state my opinion. Kills per hour is a quantifiable measuring stick whereas merely calling someone timid, isn't.
Ohhh I see.. you're timid so you took offense. :aok
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Retinal scarring..... thanks dads. ewwwwwwwwwwww :lol
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Sounds more like a cop-out.
GOOD movie.
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:lol ew ew ew ew ew....
Tower time is not counted towards kills per hour. Only flight time is considered.
who said you had to be in tower? :D ive afked for hours and died by accident. afk flyers bud.
Fortunately, your opinions mean squat :lol
little harsh on the dadsguns here :headscratch:
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What is really.. I mean really, amusing to me is that several people in here are trying to describe "timid" when they themselves are quite timid.
Here's a hint: If you're getting 5 or so.. or less kills per hour and you're not a 6 month noob, you're timid. I don't care what your excuse is... you're timid.
Not necessarily. There may be more of reasons why the k/h can be so low. 2 Things come to my mind immediately:
Mission / "historic" gameplay - Flying long range escort for buffs can totally wreck your k/h (without being "afraid" to engage),
And flying at non-primetime can make your h/h suffer too - quite often you are upping for the only con in a sector that is gone before you have a shot at him.
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Not necessarily. There may be more of reasons why the k/h can be so low. 2 Things come to my mind immediately:
Mission / "historic" gameplay - Flying long range escort for buffs can totally wreck your k/h (without being "afraid" to engage),
And flying at non-primetime can make your h/h suffer too - quite often you are upping for the only con in a sector that is gone before you have a shot at him.
again lusche comes to save the day with his wisdom! :aok (I'm a suckup! smack im a suckup! smack smack!!!)
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I make me special. I'm just as entitled as anyone else to state my opinion. Kills per hour is a quantifiable measuring stick whereas merely calling someone timid, isn't.
Ohhh I see.. you're timid so you took offense. :aok
Fortunately, your opinions mean squat :lol
Your right, but where is all the fun in it if we didnt have any opinions?
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Not necessarily. There may be more of reasons why the k/h can be so low. 2 Things come to my mind immediately:
Mission / "historic" gameplay - Flying long range escort for buffs can totally wreck your k/h (without being "afraid" to engage),
And flying at non-primetime can make your h/h suffer too - quite often you are upping for the only con in a sector that is gone before you have a shot at him.
There's two excuses right there! How many people spend their tour flying long range escort?
The non-prime time could be legit but the large portion of the populaiton flies during primetime.
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There's two excuses right there! How many people spend their tour flying long range escort?
The non-prime time could be legit but the large portion of the populaiton flies during primetime.
I am guilty. As well as chasing the lone 30k bomber set heading for strats, much time spent there.
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ive afked for hours and died by accident.
You can't afk fly for hours.., it does not take hours to run out of gas. so just another excuse for the timid.
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I am guilty. As well as chasing the lone 30k bomber set heading for strats, much time spent there.
I make the mistake of doing that now and then... only to have them bail........ :furious tease.
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You can't afk fly for hours.., it does not take hours to run out of gas. so just another excuse for the timid.
umm im sorry? :headscratch: afk for hours as in over a month's time?
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How many people spend their tour flying long range escort?
Obviously anyone who doesn't have a respectable K/T. :lol
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You can't afk fly for hours.., it does not take hours to run out of gas. so just another excuse for the timid.
What exactly is your definition of timid? surely not just what you described by the K/H?
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Not necessarily. There may be more of reasons why the k/h can be so low. 2 Things come to my mind immediately:
Mission / "historic" gameplay - Flying long range escort for buffs can totally wreck your k/h (without being "afraid" to engage),
And flying at non-primetime can make your h/h suffer too - quite often you are upping for the only con in a sector that is gone before you have a shot at him.
I agree, being GMT time zone and I also enjoy going on buff hunting missions, although this month not as much.
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and also if the person lands with multiple kills wouldn't this mean he is actually a good pilot?
Not at all. When I venture into the MAs I'm always skeptical of the number of kills landed simply because I suspect many of them were vulches or picks. No special skill involved there. It's why I disagree with Steve's notion that kills per hour signifies competence.
- oldman
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There's two excuses right there! How many people spend their tour flying long range escort?
How is that an excuse?
My point is: You can't simply declare someone being "timid" just by looking at an isolated part of score, as there are several reasons why it can be relatively low. It's not that simple. Same as you can't tell skill level by looking at K/D.
It can be a good indicator, but thats all.
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Not at all. When I venture into the MAs I'm always skeptical of the number of kills landed simply because I suspect many of them were vulches or picks. No special skill involved there. It's why I disagree with Steve's notion that kills per hour signifies competence.
- oldman
High kills per hour doesn't gaurantee competence. Low kills per hour is a strong indicator of timidity. Timid guys won't like this... but that's the way it goes. :aok
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How is that an excuse?
My point is: You can't simply declare someone being "timid" just by looking at an isolated part of score, as there are several reasons why it can be relatively low. It's not that simple. Same as you can't tell skill level by looking at K/D.
see my above post :)
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Bomber pilots who fly to 30k+ to bomb the megacities... I bet they have 0 kills...
I'm not sure if thats timid or just a case of 'noobisim' (aka, I just started and I can't fly a fighter but I want to do something).
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Bomber pilots who fly to 30k+ to bomb the megacities... I bet they have 0 kills...
I'm not sure if thats timid or just a case of 'noobisim' (aka, I just started and I can't fly a fighter but I want to do something).
Kills per hour is not a stat for bombing. :)
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see my above post :)
So if someone has a K/H of 4... he is without doubt timid?
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So if someone has a K/H of 4... he is without doubt timid?
Did oyu read what I posted or not? I said "strong indicator"
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Did oyu read what I posted or not? I said "strong indicator"
That's what you said:
Here's a hint: If you're getting 5 or so.. or less kills per hour and you're not a 6 month noob, you're timid. I don't care what your excuse is... you're timid.
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Bomber pilots who fly to 30k+ to bomb the megacities... I bet they have 0 kills...
I'm not sure if thats timid or just a case of 'noobisim' (aka, I just started and I can't fly a fighter but I want to do something).
anything flying at 30k is considered timid IMO. unless you are very very fuel conscience........
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High kills per hour doesn't gaurantee competence. Low kills per hour is a strong indicator of timidity. Timid guys won't like this... but that's the way it goes. :aok
uhh... but here's the thing... you fly one flight and land 10 kills but every kill took 15-30 minutes to kill? what does this mean to you? because this can mean he either fled when it got dangerous and scared like you described, smart enough to tactically retreat to a safe distance to allow for an offensive factor to come back into his/her hand then reattack, or he/she couldn't find any planes to kill...
Did oyu read what I posted or not? I said "strong indicator"
strong indicator or not what i said is the truth. add things if seen fit please
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Kills per hour is not a stat for bombing. :)
lol, your right.. oh well....I tried.. :cheers:
anything flying at 30k is considered timid IMO. unless you are very very fuel conscience........
:rofl
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good god i can't keep up with this damn thread... every time i turn to another topic i see 17 responses to this one...
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I make me special. I'm just as entitled as anyone else to state my opinion. Kills per hour is a quantifiable measuring stick whereas merely calling someone timid, isn't.
Ohhh I see.. you're timid so you took offense. :aok
Matter of fact, a number of times I've run across you in the MA, I've thought YOU flew timid. Not every time, but enough that I found you no fun to fight.
Oh, I'm sorry... who's taking offense now?
You may have an opinion, but that does not make you special. Dictating what skill is and what timidity is, you might as well take a flying leap for how "special" you are. Don't get me wrong, I have another issue entirely with the whole premise of this thread (which, FYI, you all bit the hook of a repeated mass-nonsense-poster who's trying to boost his post count), but your comment is nothing more than self-inflation. I chose to respond to it rather than the overal thread as a whole.
You might just as well say it takes a lot of skill to fly around longer and still get kills. You have to manage your fuel better, you have to fight heavier (with more gas onboard) and still make it out.
Or you might say it takes more skill to have a LOWER kill/death ratio, implying you wade into a furball and knock heads as hard as you can until you die, then reup and go back in swinging. Kills the k/d ratio, but you're probably going to see more effective "practical" skill in a player like that.
Then there are the folks that enjoy 30-minute squad sweeps with 5+ friendlies. Every once in a while I get one of these where I land some kills, but many times my squaddies steal 'em all! It hoses your kill/hour ratio, but you probably have a lot better teamwork and wingman skills, and given a single squaddie can tie up and/or kill half a dozen MA baddies.
Then there's the folks that have a high kill/hour but don't do anything but gang 5v1 with their posse, looking for rank and/or "prestige" (in quotes because only they think it is). You might see that as skill when in fact it's very beginner behavior and they can't win an even-odds fight if they tried. So that could indicate LACK of skill in this example.
Any of these could be argued for in different ways, but to explicitly lay it out like you have is just as wrong as everybody else. It serves only to make yourself feel better about how you fly, nothing else, and indicates no quantifiable level of skill without adding dozens of modifers "If this condition THEN that condition, MAYBE this means that".
I have no illusion as to how skilled I am. I'm rather humble about it. I realize there are many different styles, and any single player can use all of none of them in any single sortie. I also realize I can still be skilled and not have a great kill/hour, or kill/death, or kill/sortie.
I choose, for my own personal benchmark, and not as an indicator of skill but more as one of progress, to look at my kill/death ratio. I know this is flawed, but it's easier than comparing raw points.
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good god i can't keep up with this damn thread... every time i turn to another topic i see 17 responses to this one...
Then stop spamming pointless 1-second replies for a higher post-count. Read the thread and enjoy it, and realize the fact that post count means nothing.
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So if someone has a K/H of 4... he is without doubt timid?
Steve, I don't agree with what your saying either and your certainly entitled to your opinion, however your definition of timid is a little off..
Using my example I have 5. something now and last tour a 4. something, does that makes me timid no matter what I did to get it? Chasing lone cons? Staying out of furballs? All of that is what you would call being timid?
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Here's a hint: If you're getting 5 or so.. or less kills per hour and you're not a 6 month noob, you're timid. I don't care what your excuse is... you're timid.
I am not ashamed to say it " I'm Timid "
there
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talkin about boosting post counts.......never saw anyone else with 19,000 posts
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I am not ashamed to say it " I'm Timid "
there
you said it wrong timid junky... your supposed to say..
Hi my name is TequilaChaser and I'm timid. :D
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talkin about boosting post counts.......never saw anyone else with 19,000 posts
My posts are all legit. I have been around for a lot longer than he has.
Further, I don't look at it.
There are others with higher posting #s than I, but they usually spam in the O'club. Won't find me there.
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Matter of fact, a number of times I've run across you in the MA, I've thought YOU flew timid. Not every time, but enough that I found you no fun to fight.
Oh, I'm sorry... who's taking offense now?
I'm not taking offense. :)
Even timid people like you are entitled to type. :aok
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Ah, the lack of a real argument. I rest my case.
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Steve, I don't agree with what your saying either and your certainly entitled to your opinion, however your definition of timid is a little off..
Using my example I have 5. something now and last tour a 4. something, does that makes me timid no matter what I did to get it? Chasing lone cons? Staying out of furballs? All of that is what you would call being timid?
Since you asked... yep I think you are timid. Chaisng lone cons... you spend the whole tour doing that? Timid players are full of excuses.
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Then stop spamming pointless 1-second replies for a higher post-count. Read the thread and enjoy it, and realize the fact that post count means nothing.
are you seriously being a jerk now? if you noticed im actually trying to answer these posts? grow up and stop calling me a spammer... Just because i added one post about how quickly this thread is filling does not account to spamming.
and while typing this 7 more replies have happened... my point right there krusty
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Ah, the lack of a real argument. I rest my case.
See that's the thing. You are trying to argue. I simply stated my opinion. I'm not debating my opinion, or yours.
So, you are arguing with yourself. Good luck with that.
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you said it wrong timid junky... your supposed to say..
Hi my name is TequilaChaser and I'm timid. :D
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I was just making a dumb post to raise my dumb post count, to a dumb thread
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Matter of fact, a number of times I've run across you in the MA, I've thought YOU flew timid. Not every time, but enough that I found you no fun to fight.
Oh, I'm sorry... who's taking offense now?
LMAO.
You probably didn't notice the green guys that were around you then. I've never seen Steve run from a 1v1 before. He has very good SA and knows when he is about to get gang raped. My guess is you thought he was running from *you* when in reality, he was running from your 3 allies that were 3k out coming in for the pick.
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I am not ashamed to say it " I'm Timid "
there
At least you have the man bags to admit it if you are.
Cant say that I have ever had the pleasure to chase you down yet, but looking forward to it. :salute
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I was just making a dumb post to raise my dumb post count, to a dumb thread
:rofl
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See that's the thing. You are trying to argue. I simply stated my opinion. I'm not debating my opinion, or yours.
So, you are arguing with yourself. Good luck with that.
Stating an opinion is one thing. Your post was placing yourself on a pedstal and insulting the majority of other players by putting them down as inferior and "timid" (a derogatory and insulting term for Aces High).
That's not expression of opinion. That's expression of derision based on false assumptions fed by opinion.
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That's not expression of opinion. That's expression of derision based on false assumptions fed by opinion.
how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
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Stating an opinion is one thing. Your post was placing yourself on a pedstal and insulting the majority of other players by putting them down as inferior and "timid" (a derogatory and insulting term for Aces High).
That's not expression of opinion. That's expression of derision based on false assumptions fed by opinion.
Hey Einstein, this thread is about the definition of timid. I gave my definition of timid. what more do you want?
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you said it wrong timid junky... your supposed to say..
Hi my name is TequilaChaser and I'm timid. :D
I was just making a dumb post to raise my dumb post count, to a dumb thread
here fixed... almost to 4 stars.
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Hey Einstein, this thread is about the definition of timid. I gave my definition of timid. what more do you want?
looks like he's trying to up his post count....
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how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
If a wood chuck were chuck norris?
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What is really.. I mean really, amusing to me is that several people in here are trying to describe "timid" when they themselves are quite timid.
Here's a hint: If you're getting 5 or so.. or less kills per hour and you're not a 6 month noob, you're timid. I don't care what your excuse is... you're timid.
I totally disagree with this . I think the opposite is true. I'm not trying to start a fight with you here, but if you remember last week or so when you killed my IL2 twice, I was on the deck being timid mixing it up with CV planes and killing LVTs while you passed up the fighters to come to the deck to shoot me. Then you'd climb back up and do it again.
I'm not saying that's wrong, I'd do the same thing given the chance. But you could have very well of stayed high and fought the fighters rather then go for the easy IL2 picks. As a result, your K/D per hour went up and mine went down. I've always ran a somewhere between 4 and 6 kills per hour, unless I were hunting bombers and picking over a field.
True dat, you are better stick and shot then me but I don't think the stats are a good way to measure if someone is timid or not. Pacerr is a good example. :salute
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Hey Einstein, this thread is about the definition of timid. I gave my definition of timid. what more do you want?
and at the beginning of this i asked for no angry discussions...apparently people can't do that anymore... not meaning you here...
If a wood chuck were chuck norris?
would chuck norris be able to the chuck the wood that a woodchuck could chuck?
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Timid is letting someone's opinion dictate when you enter or leave a fight.
You mind if I use that Rino? :D
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I totally disagree with this . I think the opposite is true. I'm not trying to start a fight with you here, but if you remember last week or so when you killed my IL2 twice, I was on the deck being timid mixing it up with CV planes and killing LVTs while you passed up the fighters to come to the deck to shoot me. Then you'd climb back up and do it again.
I'm not saying that's wrong, I'd do the same thing given the chance. But you could have very well of stayed high and fought the fighters rather then go for the easy IL2 picks. As a result, your K/D per hour went up and mine went down. I've always ran a somewhere between 4 and 6 kills per hour, unless I were hunting bombers and picking over a field.
True dat, you are better stick and shot then me but I don't think the stats are a good way to measure if someone is timid or not. Pacerr is a good example. :salute
Your fighter K/D and K/H is not affected by flying IL2's.
I passed up fighters because I was specifically asked to help defend the LVt's trying to get ashore. I even said that to you and aplogized, if you remember. I normally leave IL2's alone as they aren't threats to me typically.
Again though, I'm not trying to tell you what to think is timid... I merely gave my view of it. :salute
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Lol, I'll go after il2s any chance I get. Easy kills and they're fun to pump full of lead. :joystick:
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Since you asked... yep I think you are timid. Chaisng lone cons... you spend the whole tour doing that? Timid players are full of excuses.
Just for my entertainment, How did you come to that conclusion?
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how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
Using the formula: (W + I) * C where W = the constant of wood, which is well known to be 61, as agreed in many scientific circles. I = the variable in this equation, and stands for the word "if" from the original problem. As there are three circumstances, with 0 equaling the chance that the woodchuck cannot chuck wood, 1 being the theory that the woodchuck can chuck wood but chooses not to, and 2 standing for the probability that the woodchuck can and will chuck wood, we clearly must choose 2 for use in this equation. C = the constant of Chuck Norris, whose presence in any problem involving the word chuck must there, is well known to equal 1.1 of any known being, therefore the final part of this calculation is 1.1. As is clear, this appears to give the answer of (61 + 2) * 1.1 = (63) * 1.1 = 69.3. However, Chuck Norris' awesome roundhouse kick declares that all decimal points cannot be used in formulas such as this, and so it must be rounded to the final solution of 69 units of wood.
ack-ack
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I was try ing to make the point that my K/D per hr and always been in the timid range, but that don't really make me timid, because if I were I'd of never took off from the field and been on the deck trying to fight. I was glad you were there actually Steve. The next sortie I upped a 51 hoping you'd come back for some more. But I flew around with no one to fight. K/D per hour went down even more just doing that. :lol
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Sounds like the gamers vs simers argument all over. And, I am a simer, so that means I suck, I'm timid, I can't fly, I can't fight. Why is this a gamers argument to justify their gamer opinions? Because men were awarded for kills, not even kills per death, nowhere not once was anyone awarded anything for kills per hour during WW2, the era that this reality based simulation game was modeled from. My kills per hour is horrible, from a gamers point of view. However I find my fun in the hunt, the stalk, the kill and the landing of my intact aircraft.
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Sounds like the gamers vs simers argument all over. And, I am a simer, so that means I suck, I'm timid, I can't fly, I can't fight. Why is this a gamers argument to justify their gamer opinions? Because men were awarded for kills, not even kills per death, nowhere not once was anyone awarded anything for kills per hour during WW2, the era that this reality based simulation game was modeled from. My kills per hour is horrible, from a gamers point of view. However I find my fun in the hunt, the stalk, the kill and the landing of my intact aircraft.
In RL they also didn't have unlimited lives. you want to sim that?
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I've actually had some good fights with Dadsguns. When you get him alone he will usually fight it out.
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In RL they also didn't have unlimited lives. you want to sim that?
I do that sir. I play as if I do not have unlimited lives.
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You mind if I use that Rino? :D
Be my guest :aok
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At least you have the man bags to admit it if you are.
Cant say that I have ever had the pleasure to chase you down yet, but looking forward to it. :salute
I can ashure you, I don't run very far if I run at all, I will extend though....most times less than 1.5K distance is more than enough
unless it is more than 1 opponent then I will possibly extend a bit further but at the same time I will not be flying straight , but more so as a long sweeping turn to get all the opposition in to the same flight hemisphere......
which brings me back to thinking about a group of flyers and what Krusty posted below
Then there are the folks that enjoy 30-minute squad sweeps with 5+ friendlies. Every once in a while I get one of these where I land some kills, but many times my squaddies steal 'em all! It hoses your kill/hour ratio, but you probably have a lot better teamwork and wingman skills, and given a single squaddie can tie up and/or kill half a dozen MA baddies.
Then there's the folks that have a high kill/hour but don't do anything but gang 5v1 with their posse, looking for rank and/or "prestige" (in quotes because only they think it is). You might see that as skill when in fact it's very beginner behavior and they can't win an even-odds fight if they tried. So that could indicate LACK of skill in this example.
I was in the MWA the other night ( forget the map, but was where A5 & A63 etc are in the lower left of it ) and was flying out of A5 toward the 2 southern fields......... I ran across a F4U and a P38........ I got the best end of that encounter, and went to go regain some alt when here came 2 more P38s I figured I would extend and try and get to a 1 on 1 if possible, the other 38 went opposite of us and I reved.... right about the time I was lining up to smack down the 1st 38, I hear the rata tat tat and boom I was dead.......
I quickly re-upped, yes I was kind of fuming because heck, the numbers were way low prob 5 to 7 on each side in the MWA that night.....
so here I go taking off from A63, with 2 others there with me, and here come 4 P38s all at around 10K alt...... they was not vulching , they was not diving in picking any of us off with no alt.no speed... they just kept slightly NE of A63 and at or around 10K to 12K alt.... one would come out by himself and give up some alt. just enough to entice 1 of us to go after him..... and once the bait was taken, here come 1 or 2 of the other P38s and sure enough BOOM any of the 3 of us that tried to get into a dogfight was right back in the tower......
now I heard the words "Pickers", "Gangers", etc mentioned........ and I kindly said "Ya know, they are flying smart, we are being the dumb ones for letting them take advantage of the situation, those 4 P38s were flying perfect Wingman Tactics, and I admired them for it..... they did not waiver one bit
I have flown and cartooned dogfighted some of the players in this squad before, but never had I experienced them flying in this fashion.....
it was "the Loose Duece" squad ......... no harsh words or derogatory remarks were made over the open channel, and I have to respect that.......
I did finish up by getting up near co alt, and had a good run.... the last fight was me in I think a F4U-1 and they were in a P40E, P38 & P47D11.....
I got the P47 and was in a rolling scissors with the P38 and P40 at the same time when I gave up evading the P40 to try and take out the P38, I failed to get the hits quick enough before the P40 took me out......
so, sometimes flying wing with squaddies and smacking down anything that trys to come get you is fun....... heck, I remember Me, Ren, and think it was DFA did that one night and racked up like 30+ kills in one sortie between the 3 of us.....
then again, sometimes it is just as much fun trying to fly up and take out 3 or 4 players flying wing, that are continously tap dancing on your heads for being dumb enough to climb up and try and knock em off their roost......
as long as you have fun......... that is all that matters
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This thread sounds exactly like blogs where catholics, jews, muslims and atheists argue which approch to life is better. It's still a thinly veiled indirect assertion that because I follow x,y,z or B approch to whatever I do in life I'm better than you are. That ends up offending people and everyone starts arguing that they are saints because of the virtue bestowed on them by following their given approch to living. Then everyone in the argument gets even more pissed and pious while trotting out the last thousand years of each participants personal sins and failings to defend their personal beleif in their hard won ecumenical mastery.
HiTech said the point of this game was about pissing off the other guy......Some players just use a different vehical to gain the same emotional victory. I suppose Yugo's are called Timid's now.
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I wish I was a bit more timid at times.
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Using the formula: (W + I) * C where W = the constant of wood, which is well known to be 61, as agreed in many scientific circles. I = the variable in this equation, and stands for the word "if" from the original problem. As there are three circumstances, with 0 equaling the chance that the woodchuck cannot chuck wood, 1 being the theory that the woodchuck can chuck wood but chooses not to, and 2 standing for the probability that the woodchuck can and will chuck wood, we clearly must choose 2 for use in this equation. C = the constant of Chuck Norris, whose presence in any problem involving the word chuck must there, is well known to equal 1.1 of any known being, therefore the final part of this calculation is 1.1. As is clear, this appears to give the answer of (61 + 2) * 1.1 = (63) * 1.1 = 69.3. However, Chuck Norris' awesome roundhouse kick declares that all decimal points cannot be used in formulas such as this, and so it must be rounded to the final solution of 69 units of wood.
ack-ack
:rofl
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This thread sounds exactly like blogs where catholics, jews, muslims and atheists
Wait, I think I heard that one before!
They walk into a bar, right?
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Upon further review, I come across too serious here. This is great fun, I'm grinning like the Grinch when "a plan comes together". After you shoot me down, most likely because I was stupid, I'm still grinning as I gaze at the pieces of my joystick now littering the garage floor as a result of me calmly unplugging said joystick, walking into the garage and using the cord to force the joystick to exceed the speed of sound as it howls through the air with the impetus of a russian satellite hurtling to its untimely demise.
I think you should care if you are killed otherwise what is the point of trying to win.
Show me a good loser, and I will show you a ....... loser.
Love this game gentelmen, and I enjoy all of it.
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BTW Krusty, love your skins, fly them alot, thank you sir.
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Upon further review, I come across too serious here. This is great fun, I'm grinning like the Grinch when "a plan comes together". After you shoot me down, most likely because I was stupid, I'm still grinning as I gaze at the pieces of my joystick now littering the garage floor as a result of me calmly unplugging said joystick, walking into the garage and using the cord to force the joystick to exceed the speed of sound as it howls through the air with the impetus of a russian satellite hurtling to its untimely demise.
I think you should care if you are killed otherwise what is the point of trying to win.
Show me a good loser, and I will show you a ....... loser.
Love this game gentelmen, and I enjoy all of it.
:rofl :rofl guess im not the only one that smashes his hardware from time to time
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I think you should care if you are killed otherwise what is the point of trying to win.
Show me a good loser, and I will show you a ....... loser.
Seriously, it all depends on what all was involved with the way you win or the way you lose....
if I was to win a 1 vs 1 fight, well I won, was it a easy fight lasted less than a minute.....where is the reward in that? was it a win where I was with 2 or 3 others rabidly chasing down a lone player and everyone shooting at him from every direction, yet I am awarded the kill? where is the reward in that? did I fly in on another countrymens fight and pick his opponent? the one he was just about to finish off? where is the reward in that?
did I lose flying a long 5+ minute battle with 1 opponent (with 2 or 3 opponents), now I can find reward in that... it was a good fight, it was intense....it was rewarding
did I lose while defending against 2 or more others, possibly taking at least one of them out if not more before I eventually died? again... it was intense....it was rewarding
as many before me and all during my time playing these sims... it really is and has been all about the fight and what the fight entelled...regardless if you win or lose.... and whether you was able to learn something from the fight to carry you forward
YMMV
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I wish I was a bit more timid at times.
I wish you were too! I was on your 6 a couple of nights ago for a good three minutes while you twisted and turned with 2 other guys near our base, quite low. I was gonna lay off but I thought "Dammit, I'm gonna at least ping this guy, I WILL get a gun solution." Eventually someone picked you. I don't remember if I ever did get a ping on you, lol.
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The fights I remember, the ones that really stand out over 10 years, tend to have one thing in common.
Either I was outnumbered, or they had a major advantage.
What makes them stand out is giving it all you've got and turning the situation around. Using tactics, ACM, and skill to turn the tables.
Now timid would have been there in the first place.
And most likely wouldn't have stayed around to fight in the second.
Thats ok, we each pay our 15$ a month and we fly it our way. That is as it should be.
And some days the "force"is with us, and we pull off things we really didn't expect to survive.
Other days we go down in flames, but we go down swinging.
I tangled with 4 ponys once, might have shot one down, I know they were all over me.
I pulled every trick out of the hat and invented a couple of new ones.
In the end I pulled off a ditch once I was shot to pieces. Exited out laughing and happy as could be.
Some times you just have to buck the odds, to truly measure yourself.
I think all to often to many of us fall into the trap of thinking that winning is everything.
Sometimes losing with style can be more rewarding, and more entertaining, certainly creates more memory's that last.
Take a chance, get out of the herd and stand on your own. Give it your best, win, lose or draw.
The planes are for the most part free, its only our ego's that get damaged.
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so here I go taking off from A63, with 2 others there with me, and here come 4 P38s all at around 10K alt...... they was not vulching , they was not diving in picking any of us off with no alt.no speed... they just kept slightly NE of A63 and at or around 10K to 12K alt.... one would come out by himself and give up some alt. just enough to entice 1 of us to go after him..... and once the bait was taken, here come 1 or 2 of the other P38s and sure enough BOOM any of the 3 of us that tried to get into a dogfight was right back in the tower......
now I heard the words "Pickers", "Gangers", etc mentioned........ and I kindly said "Ya know, they are flying smart, we are being the dumb ones for letting them take advantage of the situation, those 4 P38s were flying perfect Wingman Tactics, and I admired them for it..... they did not waiver one bit
And if this was the only fight going I'd log for the night. Wheres the fun of engaging 1 only to have his "wingman" come in and pick you? Wingman tactics in a GAME is about as timid as you can get. I can see if you set-up a 2 vs 2 fight, or even a 4 vs 4 fight, but these guy couldn't go there, no advantage and that old timid backbone locks up and away they go to RTB and land their hard earned picks :rolleyes:
Timid is when you run from a fight, or when your in a fight and you start thinking it's time to run away. Its a game of combat, fight it out!
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Wingman tactics in a GAME is about as timid as you can get.
I don't understand this... perhaps you could elaborate why this is timid?
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If that's the case, everyone in a squad is timid then.
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If that's the case, everyone in a squad is timid then.
Yep, squads are just customizable hordes, everyone knows that. :neener:
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I'd rather fly with a wingy or two in the MA, it's more fun that way. I'll take my 1v1s in the dueling arena and my seal bludgeoning in the ma.
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Sometimes the fun of winging up isn't for the effectiveness (I've been rather lousy at it most times) but for the comraderie.
I mean once I was flying FSO with USMC/71Sqn, we were doing Coral Sea or something, had B5Ns but with mixed roles. 6 or so of us would take torps, the rest bombs. We kept visual ID of this by having the different skins. So all this is happening on vox and somebody's clarifying to somebody else "you take the dark skin" .... to which I replied, laiden with as much innuendo as I could "They say you never go back..." and after a slight pause everybody burst out laughing.
I mean some guys were in stitches for 3-5 minutes.
I wasn't much help tactically, or with regards to mission success, but I feel I played my part that frame with one well-timed quip!
It's one of the best things about winging up. :aok
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My posts are all legit.
Well of course they are.....
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Yep, squads are just customizable hordes, everyone knows that. :neener:
:P
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And if this was the only fight going I'd log for the night. Wheres the fun of engaging 1 only to have his "wingman" come in and pick you? Wingman tactics in a GAME is about as timid as you can get. I can see if you set-up a 2 vs 2 fight, or even a 4 vs 4 fight, but these guy couldn't go there, no advantage and that old timid backbone locks up and away they go to RTB and land their hard earned picks :rolleyes:
Timid is when you run from a fight, or when your in a fight and you start thinking it's time to run away. Its a game of combat, fight it out!
It's a good thing we don't all listen to Fugitive...the MA's would be empty and everyone would be in the DA shining their cyber testicles on each other...until our 2 week passes ran out, then many would leave out of boredom.
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Well of course they are.....
HTC just ordered another server just to store "Krusty" posts :D
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:lol
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I would agree that K/H is the best indicator we have of a player's timidness or lack thereof.
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Inspiration..
(http://www.ka4zzq.com/images/Timid.jpg)
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Inspiration..
(http://www.ka4zzq.com/images/Timid.jpg)
I would be running too. :lol
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The fights I remember, the ones that really stand out over 10 years, tend to have one thing in common.
Either I was outnumbered, or they had a major advantage.
What makes them stand out is giving it all you've got and turning the situation around. Using tactics, ACM, and skill to turn the tables.
Now timid would have been there in the first place.
And most likely wouldn't have stayed around to fight in the second.
Thats ok, we each pay our 15$ a month and we fly it our way. That is as it should be.
And some days the "force"is with us, and we pull off things we really didn't expect to survive.
Other days we go down in flames, but we go down swinging.
I tangled with 4 ponys once, might have shot one down, I know they were all over me.
I pulled every trick out of the hat and invented a couple of new ones.
In the end I pulled off a ditch once I was shot to pieces. Exited out laughing and happy as could be.
Some times you just have to buck the odds, to truly measure yourself.
I think all to often to many of us fall into the trap of thinking that winning is everything.
Sometimes losing with style can be more rewarding, and more entertaining, certainly creates more memory's that last.
Take a chance, get out of the herd and stand on your own. Give it your best, win, lose or draw.
The planes are for the most part free, its only our ego's that get damaged.
What he said.
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Take a chance, get out of the herd and stand on your own. Give it your best, win, lose or draw.
Wheres the fun of engaging 1 only to have his "wingman" come in and pick you? ...........Timid is when you run from a fight, or when your in a fight and you start thinking it's time to run away. Its a game of combat, fight it out!
:aok
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpHnrddCv0M Here is me being timid...... :devil This was a decent fight, had either one of the two had run away, I would have said thats timid, but they stayed and fought it out. <S> to them for that.
Inspiration..
(http://www.ka4zzq.com/images/Timid.jpg)
Thats not timid, thats suicide to stay in that.
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Wait, I think I heard that one before!
They walk into a bar, right?
Yep, and Steve drank their drinks while they were arguing if it was best to put your hand on the wall, hold with both hands, close your eyes and whistle, or just sit like a girl. In the end the donation gets back to the ocean and Steve is four drinks happier.
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It never fails to amuse me how when the word "timid" pops up, the first thing out of everyones mouth is P51 :rolleyes:
9 times out of 10 these are the same guys that fly spits, F4Us, hurricanes etc. I have film, after film, after film of running 109s,190s,262s,Tempests,LA7s and Typhoons doing the same thing!
For the guys that don't fly P51s, let me clue you in on something. The P51 is not that great of a plane! It's takes alot of seat time to be able to beat a enemy aircraft at its own game. So the mustang pilot better know a thing or two before he tries to beat a 109 or 38 in the vertical, or a spitfire and hurricane in a turn fight. And the F4Us :lol....easy mode compared to P51s.
Don't understand your logic behind this statement but to stay on topic I'm not going to get into this conversation.
I think everyone's pretty much hit the nail on the head of what timid is, I don't even think having the E advantage is considered timid until it takes you several minutes before you feel comftable to engage. I see higher cons with clearly the advantage continuing to get high and in reality, they just need to pick there spot and drop throttle and watch out for the vertical barrel roll reversal not to hard is it?
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If that's the case, everyone in a squad is timid then.
A whole new thread idea! :rofl
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A whole new thread idea! :rofl
Nah. Nothing to discuss, everyone agrees it's true!
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TnDep, that was a little jab at Saxman for his P51 remark. He didn't take the bait, but I see you did. :)
I stand behind that statement, and here's why. We have 5 F4Us in the plane set, 2 of which are perked and each one is better then the next. They have monster props to hang on, flaps that cut their turn radius down to almost half, gear that pops to act like air brakes, and with wep, a couple models are faster on the deck then a P51 without wep, as well as 2 or 3 models have more ammo then the pony. Basically they can do everything a 51 can do, and then some, at the alts that we fight in this game.
The only thing the pony have over the corsairs is speed until you get to the F4U-4, and then it's no contest at all. The only downside I see with the corsairs is landing them without breaking the gear off.
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Ok, I admit it, I'm timid - forever running away, dont fight, rarely kill anyone/anything. Its true, I'm timid
Now shaddap and get ingame ya lunatics.
Ner
Wurzel
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We need a Snailman graph showing the K/H of the players. I'd venture to say the over half hold a K/H which some here say is timid.
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How about this one:
Timid = Will not fight unless he/she has substantial advantage?
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How about this one:
Timid = Will not fight unless he/she has substantial advantage?
or would this suffice? Timid: Will not fight unless he/she has complete advantage and will run from calls from help due to the danger of being shot?
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We need a Snailman graph showing the K/H of the players. I'd venture to say the over half hold a K/H which some here say is timid.
I once did examine fighter scores tour 118.
80% of all player with at least one sortie in fighter mode had a K/H less than 5.0
If you set a minimum sortie requirement of 10 to weed out extreme cases of trial players just upping once or twice before quitting the game, or "vets" doing just a few vulch sorties from CV to get a 30+ K/H, the number changes just a little. Only 20% get a K/H of 5.0 or better.
Even when I removed all players that did more than 10 sorties but never got any kills at all, the number only went up to 22%, with an average player K/H of 3.46
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Timid is the guy that runs to his field, lands and hops in a field gun waiting for a proxie kill.
Timid is the guy that flys faster then 150 IAS.
Timid is the guy that trys to evade the tracer rounds coming at him.
Timid is the guy that lands at all.
Timid is the guy that flys a C47(you know he don't want to fight).
Timid is the guy that uses more then the .45 strapped to his hip for a kill.
Timid is the guy that learns fancy moves to get a kill.
Timid is the guy that BnZs.
Timid is the guy that clears his squaddies 6.
Timid is the guy that don't clear his squaddies 6.
Timid is the guy with a K/H of 6 or less.
Timid is the guy with a K/H of 6 or more.
The rest of us are brave as hell.
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Timid is the guy that runs to his field, lands and hops in a field gun waiting for a proxie kill.
Timid is the guy that flys faster then 150 IAS.
Timid is the guy that trys to evade the tracer rounds coming at him.
Timid is the guy that lands at all.
Timid is the guy that flys a C47(you know he don't want to fight).
Timid is the guy that uses more then the .45 strapped to his hip for a kill.
Timid is the guy that learns fancy moves to get a kill.
Timid is the guy that BnZs.
Timid is the guy that clears his squaddies 6.
Timid is the guy that don't clear his squaddies 6.
Timid is the guy with a K/H of 6 or less.
Timid is the guy with a K/H of 6 or more.
The rest of us are brave as hell.
Finally a definition that I can give a thumbs up! :aok
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or would this suffice? Timid: Will not fight unless he/she has complete advantage and will run from calls from help due to the danger of being shot?
There never will be any kind of objective criteria, because the term "timid" is a vague one on. Just like in real life, where the labels brave and timid vary enormously between ages & cultures.
On your example: I will run from a call of help if: There is no chance I can get us both out alive and the player just got himself into that situation by doing a very stupid thing. Some players will do, because they feel obligated to "die" together (dumb thing, if you ask me)... or because they simply have FUN trying to see how long they will last (more power to them I say!). But both reasons do make them more brave or less timid.
After 4.5 years, I just fly the way I fly. I will run if the chances are vastly against me, I will try to get alt vs. enemy horde to pick them off one by one, I will use ACK if I have to, I won't up from a vulched field just to feed someone with kills (ok... I actually do the last one occasionally when getting into the "stubborn" mode :D).
I have flown that way since the beginning. Subjectively I'm taking the same risk level as when I started, objectively it has changed because I got better and have a better judgement now.
But I'm still timid :)
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How about this one:
Timid = Will not fight unless he/she has substantial advantage?
I say this would be more accurate: Timid = Will not fight unless there is 0% risk of danger.
There is a pilot in the MW arena that flies Spitfire Mk IXs and will not engage at all, even with a significent advantage in either altitude or energy. The only time this player will actively engage is if his target is busy fighting someone else. This person will never engage in a 1v1 despite having an advantage because there is a very slight risk of danger.
There is also another player that is so score minded that he flies timid and will only engage bombers in fighter mode and will not engage another fighter out of fear of being shot down and ruining his fighter score/rank.
ack-ack
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I don't understand this... perhaps you could elaborate why this is timid?
It was mostly in reference to the quote I had. I know that squad and that is how they fly, they drag out a lone con and his buddies jump the guy. Sure, great wingman tactics, but is it fun for the guy getting jumped? If its' one of those uber sticks maybe :devil , but for us average "Joe's" it's not fun at all. Seeing this is a GAME and is suppose to be fun I think using wingman tactics on a single is being timid. I think....if they weren't timid that they could just circle and watch the single guys fight it out. Should he prevail, the next one could give it a go.
I look at this as a game, my "skill" as questionable as it is, against all comers, but not all at once. If I hook up with squadies we go looking for hordes, not single cons where it's going to be an easy kill for one of us.... wheres the fun in that.
All I'm saying, is timid is anything you might do to avoid a fight.
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Timid is calling the WWI Arena lame and not spending a few days a month in that string bag meat grinder.
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TnDep, that was a little jab at Saxman for his P51 remark. He didn't take the bait, but I see you did. :)
I stand behind that statement, and here's why. We have 5 F4Us in the plane set, 2 of which are perked and each one is better then the next. They have monster props to hang on, flaps that cut their turn radius down to almost half, gear that pops to act like air brakes, and with wep, a couple models are faster on the deck then a P51 without wep, as well as 2 or 3 models have more ammo then the pony. Basically they can do everything a 51 can do, and then some, at the alts that we fight in this game.
The only thing the pony have over the corsairs is speed until you get to the F4U-4, and then it's no contest at all. The only downside I see with the corsairs is landing them without breaking the gear off.
Pony without a dought is the better Bnzer of the two hands down and the F4U overall is better. I'd rather be in a 51 at 15 k then a F4u and I'd rather be in a F4 at 5k then the Pony. They handle very similar at high speeds and turn rate at slow speeds is totally different. I agree with your opinion but my ktd is no better about the same in both planes because of the flying styles. I'm a hog pilot always have been.
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I say this would be more accurate: Timid = Will not fight unless there is 0% risk of danger.
There is a pilot in the MW arena that flies Spitfire Mk IXs and will not engage at all, even with a significent advantage in either altitude or energy. The only time this player will actively engage is if his target is busy fighting someone else. This person will never engage in a 1v1 despite having an advantage because there is a very slight risk of danger.
There is also another player that is so score minded that he flies timid and will only engage bombers in fighter mode and will not engage another fighter out of fear of being shot down and ruining his fighter score/rank.
ack-ack
Buffs can be more dangerous then fighters, planes without the ability to shoot backwards are always far easier to kill. :angel:
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string bag meat grinder.
wtf is that?
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Buffs can be more dangerous then fighters, planes without the ability to shoot backwards are always far easier to kill. :angel:
Bombers are only tough to shoot down for anyone that is dumb enough to come on their dead six, otherwise a bomber is just as easy to shoot down as a C-47.
ack-ack
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So..... Only 80% of us? Maybe 60%. :D
Bombers are only tough to shoot down for anyone that is dumb enough to come on their dead six, otherwise a bomber is just as easy to shoot down as a C-47.
ack-ack
Oh but don't forget the head-on with 17's........ That is also pretty stupid.
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Timid is calling the WWI Arena lame and not spending a few days a month in that string bag meat grinder.
get me online at a time when WWI has more than 3 people that arent towered and i'll do said quote
Bombers are only tough to shoot down for anyone that is dumb enough to come on their dead six, otherwise a bomber is just as easy to shoot down as a C-47.
ack-ack
some bomber gunners are real pros though, came in from the 11 high in a 262 and got shot up on one pass versus a B24 form earlier this week
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Bombers are only tough to shoot down for anyone that is dumb enough to come on their dead six, otherwise a bomber is just as easy to shoot down as a C-47.
ack-ack
Very true.
Fighters are still way easier for me to kill. At least buffs have a chance to shoot back at me.
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I ran from Sads yesterday. My joystick was acting up and I didn't want to die. I feel so dirty now. :cry I'm timid :cry
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Timid. hmmm. Funny word.
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Lol not timid, but definitely sneaky and rude. :P
Frowned upon :D
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Frowned upon :D
Like doing something on an airplane.