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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: DeeACE on May 02, 2010, 10:29:08 PM
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I don't know about you but when the ENY gets outta control 20+ I'd rather have a spawn delay of a minute or 2 then try and fight spit 16's and ponies with a p40 or a6m2 or any other hanger queen. I understand that they are trying to keep the sides fair, but really ENY of over 20 for more then an hour..... I had to log.
I'd really like to see some sort of alternative to the ENY penalty.
What do you guys think? any suggestions?
P.S. Switching sides is not my thing.
<S> DEEMAN
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Switch sides or switch arenas. The choices are there, if you refuse to use them then ENY is your penalty for not helping keeping the sides fair and balanced for all.
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this seems like a good idea but what if people start saying
"what the...? i cant up for a minute cuz people want to fly on my country? im logging this is bs"
compared to
"what the...? i cant up my favorite plane and i have no idea how to fly anything less than 20eny cuz theyre all bad planes and im too lazy to fly them? this is bs im logging"
???
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Switch sides or switch arenas. The choices are there, if you refuse to use them then ENY is your penalty for not helping keeping the sides fair and balanced for all.
Switching sides is not something our squad does, and although switching arenas seems a viable solution, trying to get 10 guys from blue to orange can take 20 minutes now that the cap is back on. i don't know about you but we like to stay and fight with our country, otherwise i would just switch sides everytime the war was about to be won lol
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If you won't switch sides and don't like any of the very capable aircraft above ENY 20, don't know what to say to you. I don't think a spawn time limiter would be an effective tool to deal with side imbalance. You would still have many people in 51Ds and XVIs vs few people in 51Ds and XVIs if the many chose to come in waves.
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this seems like a good idea but what if people start saying
"what the...? i cant up for a minute cuz people want to fly on my country? im logging this is bs"
compared to
"what the...? i cant up my favorite plane and i have no idea how to fly anything less than 20eny cuz theyre all bad planes and im too lazy to fly them? this is bs im logging"
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Very true no matter how you slice it there will be complaints, just thinking that would be more enjoyable if you didn't have to deal with planes that you are beat with regardless of skill.
Now please don't misunderstand, i like to fly planes with higher eny values 38j 109's hell i'll even up ki61's from time to time, and i do ok with them, but when the arena is highly populated and your in a Hanger queen, fighting horde vs horde for bases, and all your seeing is 16s 51s LAs N1Ks the chances that you are gonna rtb your kills is slim.
I would personally rather wait to get a ride that I could be more effective with then be a fish washed up on shore for the gulls.
By no means am i against challenging myself, but i also won't go into a biker bar and call them names to see how long i last either lol.
<S> DEEMAN
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Switching sides is not something our squad does, and although switching arenas seems a viable solution, trying to get 10 guys from blue to orange can take 20 minutes now that the cap is back on. i don't know about you but we like to stay and fight with our country, otherwise i would just switch sides everytime the war was about to be won lol
Why? It's quick, painless, and would allow you to fly the lower ENY rides you want to enjoy. A whole squad should be able to do it easily and then you can continue to fly with each other as well. I don't understand why the one easy solution to your problem you refuse to indulge in.
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why can't they just make it that you can only swap sides once every tour?
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I don't know about you but when the ENY gets outta control 20+ I'd rather have a spawn delay of a minute or 2 then try and fight spit 16's and ponies with a p40 or a6m2 or any other hanger queen. I understand that they are trying to keep the sides fair, but really ENY of over 20 for more then an hour..... I had to log.
I'd really like to see some sort of alternative to the ENY penalty.
What do you guys think? any suggestions?
P.S. Switching sides is not my thing.
<S> DEEMAN
People will have no problem waiting 2 minutes to fly what they want. Therefor spawn delay will need to be a half hour to an hour long. And if your okay with a half hour to an hour long delays just wait until the ENY drops. :aok
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Why?
Its counter productive. It isn't going to help gameplay.
It won't stop spying, those who really want to will just open a 2nd account.
why can't they just make it that you can only swap sides once every tour?
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Switching sides is not something our squad does, and although switching arenas seems a viable solution, trying to get 10 guys from blue to orange can take 20 minutes now that the cap is back on. i don't know about you but we like to stay and fight with our country, otherwise i would just switch sides everytime the war was about to be won lol
It sounds to me like you've made your decision then. You think that the penalty is worth it to be able to fly in the side with numbers, no matter the reason you wish to stay there.
I feel that the system in place is a perfectly fair and reasonable side balancing system. Think about it, if you have the low numbers then you can fly your easy mode rides against the 20 ENY and above planes. Personally I almost never get hit with ENY since I rarely fly anything under 20 ENY.
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People will have no problem waiting 2 minutes to fly what they want. Therefor spawn delay will need to be a half hour to an hour long. And if your okay with a half hour to an hour long delays just wait until the ENY drops. :aok
I know that 2 minutes doesn't seem long but when either attacking or defending a base, 2 minutes can change everything. and with the low pop side having no spawn delay i believe this still keeps it in their favor. If i had to wait 2 mins in a 1v1 duel, i would clearly be at a disadvantage.
anyway I would be interested if any of you have any other possible solutions?
<S> DEEMAN
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anyway I would be interested if any of you have any other possible solutions?
I think ENY is a pretty good one. :)
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Your solution isn't even a solution. How does a 1-2 minute delay help balance sides?
You just want to be able to hoard the enemy with Spit XVI's, N1K's LA-7's and Tempests and delaying you by 1-2 minutes does nothing to help the country you're hoarding.
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Sorry but no. -1
I am also part of a squad that is side loyalist. Go Knights!!!!
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You want to fly with the high numbered side - along with your squaddies (can't survive without someone watching your 6 :cry) and you still need your easy-mode crutch planes? :rolleyes:
Alex, I'll take "Eunuchs" for $400 please.
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Ok this thread has not done anything but make me look like a score hore whiner lol. which I am not. During Highly populated times, when orange is full and blue is grossly uneven, is when i think some alternative should be in place. Regardless of what side i'm on, even if instead of filling the arenas based on numbers alone, a country count was in place, to ensure sidebalancing and fairness. anyway it was just a suggestion.
<S> DEEMAN
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otherwise i would just switch sides everytime the war was about to be won lol
You will not get perk points switching sides just before a reset to the team that won the reset.
when the arena is highly populated and your in a Hanger queen, fighting horde vs horde for bases, and all your seeing is 16s 51s LAs N1Ks the chances that you are gonna rtb your kills is slim.
What you fail to realize is what does the guy, who is flying for the underpopulated and overwhelmed country, feel like when you and your buddies all show up in the "hot-rods" (16s 51s LAs N1Ks) in maybe a 15 v 5 situation ? ... now if all of you guys showed up in P-40s vs them in the 16s 51s LAs N1Ks ... now the 15 v 5 becomes a little more even.
People who piss 'n moan about ENY never look at it from the "other" side ... it's always about "them" ... the game should be fun for "all".
Your saying that ENY doesn't really effect you because you can fly the higher ENY planes ... so are you speaking on behalf of all the others who can't or won't fly the high ENY planes ? ... me thinks your full of it.
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Ok this thread has not done anything but make me look like a score hore whiner lol. which I am not. During Highly populated times, when orange is full and blue is grossly uneven, is when i think some alternative should be in place. Regardless of what side i'm on, even if instead of filling the arenas based on numbers alone, a country count was in place, to ensure sidebalancing and fairness. anyway it was just a suggestion.
<S> DEEMAN
Heya DEEMAN.
Unfortunately, here's what happens with a "Country Count".
Your squad has 6 members on, and you go to join the arena to join them, and the game says "Too many pilots for <insert chess piece here>. Please wait."
So you're stuck in the lobby and can't join your teammates. You grab a drink, go for a smoke break, and decide to try again later. "Too many pilots for <insert chess piece here>. Please wait."
Your choices are : A) join another Arena (which would fix your problem right now anyway), B) join another country (which would fix your problem right now anyway), C) Keep waiting for however long it takes, or D) quit out of the game entirely and go do something else.
With ENY, you can STILL join your squad members, for the fee of not being able to fly every aircraft. If a hard country count was in place, you wouldn't be able to join them AT ALL. I think you can see why ENY is a better choice than a hard country count.
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And here I thought I was a nub pile-it...at least I'm not so full of myself that I can't fly a 30 ENY plane into a pile of P-51s and Spits. You and your squad are making the choices, either be willing face the penalty or make different choices.
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I think ENY is a pretty good one. :)
:aok
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Since when is war fare ? If you have the best equipment and best trained you win ! Simple, get rid of ENY all together. It might actually get people to fly together as a team or country. ENY in my opinion is for the guy who flies all by himself. You all sound like our government today, make it fair for everyone. We don't keep score because we want everyone to have fun. What about skill and competitiveness! 2die4 CO Wolfpack 71st
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Since when is war fare ? If you have the best equipment and best trained you win ! Simple, get rid of ENY all together. It might actually get people to fly together as a team or country. ENY in my opinion is for the guy who flies all by himself. You all sound like our government today, make it fair for everyone. We don't keep score because we want everyone to have fun. What about skill and competitiveness! 2die4 CO Wolfpack 71st
You want "skill and competitiveness"? Fly a 109-F4 against a P-51D or F4U. ENY works in the MAs and that is the reason it's in place.
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Since when is war fare ? If you have the best equipment and best trained you win ! Simple, get rid of ENY all together. It might actually get people to fly together as a team or country. ENY in my opinion is for the guy who flies all by himself. You all sound like our government today, make it fair for everyone. We don't keep score because we want everyone to have fun. What about skill and competitiveness! 2die4 CO Wolfpack 71st
Pssst we play a game... and games are suppose to be fair.
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A game is meant to be fun and fair, war is meant to be neither. So when you start off with uneven hence unfair sides, you will never have a fun or fair game.
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Since when is war fare ? If you have the best equipment and best trained you win ! Simple, get rid of ENY all together. It might actually get people to fly together as a team or country. ENY in my opinion is for the guy who flies all by himself. You all sound like our government today, make it fair for everyone. We don't keep score because we want everyone to have fun. What about skill and competitiveness! 2die4 CO Wolfpack 71st
Working together is not penalized. We are not trying to implement a system where consentrating your forces is hampered.
But it realy is a basic game concepts that all sides have the same number of players. If you don't belive that concept, please sight one case where a game is not designed with that in mind. And please do not tell me AH is war, because it is not, it is a War game. And games are ment to be fun and fair. While war is not ment to be either fair or fun.
With equal sides, doing what it takes to win , is what game play is. In AH there are multiple levels of winning, makeing a capture,just shooting down more people than shot you down, ending the war. All are items of game play in AH.
Having more on your team gives your side an unfair advantage to all other sides. All items of game play are effected by that imbalance. And there realy is nothing that the sides with less numbers can do about it. They can not swith countries to even the numbers, if they move to the country with more numbers it just makes everything worse. They could make a treaty, but that only works in a defensive mode.
Equal sides is such a basic consept that over the life of AH the sides have maintained a fairly equal number, the resone is realy simple, people have more fun when the sides are equal.
So now the question becomes not IF the sides should be equal,
but how to accomplish that equality with least impact to the social apspect of the game.
HiTech
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I don't know about you but when the ENY gets outta control 20+ I'd rather have a spawn delay of a minute or 2 then try and fight spit 16's and ponies with a p40 or a6m2 or any other hanger queen. I understand that they are trying to keep the sides fair, but really ENY of over 20 for more then an hour..... I had to log.
I'd really like to see some sort of alternative to the ENY penalty.
What do you guys think? any suggestions?
P.S. Switching sides is not my thing.
<S> DEEMAN
Yes ,good idea.
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I also thought of another idea, what if upping rides under the eny value it cost you perks to up? kinda the same way the perk rides fluctuate with the side count. so if eny was 23, a 38j would cost you 10 points and a 38L 20 points. this is just an example, i know there is a formula in place with all current perk rides. so basically the lower the eny of the ride the more perks it costs you.
anyway just another idea. FLAME AWAY lol.
<S> DEEMAN
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As am I, but all the same, ENY ain't going anywhere! -1 also.
Sorry but no. -1
I am also part of a squad that is side loyalist. Go Knights!!!!
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I also thought of another idea, what if upping rides under the eny value it cost you perks to up?
Great idea ... I love it ...
ENY 5 and above planes and vehicles will cost you 250 perks per sortie
ENY 10 and above planes and vehicles will cost you 200 perks per sortie
ENY 15 and above planes and vehicles will cost you 150 perks per sortie
ENY 20 and above planes and vehicles will cost you 100 perks per sortie
ENY 25 and above planes and vehicles have no perk cost per sortie
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get rid of ENY limits altogether! Just make the perk price continue to escalate with the diparity in #s, who know's maybe someone wants to up a 1000 pt 262s to fight 50 pt 262s :aok
or a 500 pt tiger to fight free panzers for that matter
Just a thought, then you can fly whatever ya like, IF you can afford it :aok :bolt:
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get rid of ENY limits altogether! Just make the perk price continue to escalate with the diparity in #s, who know's maybe someone wants to up a 1000 pt 262s to fight 50 pt 262s :aok
or a 500 pt tiger to fight free panzers for that matter
Just a thought, then you can fly whatever ya like, IF you can afford it :aok :bolt:
It's a catch 22 shreck ... those that cowl and curse at ENY are those who need (or believe that they need) the lower ENY planes to survive.
Low ENY rides means lower perks acquired so they usually have doodily-squat for perk points ...
Low perk count means they can buy high perked rides ... OH NOES !!!
If they can't buy them ... then why would they give a crap if ENY takes them out of play as it does now ?
People who could buy them, all day long, are those who generally fly high ENY planes, who really are never effected by ENY limits and because they fly the high ENY planes ... they usually have a ton of perk stored up.
So ... those who could afford the high perk prices don't really care to fly those planes in the first place and those that would like to fly them ... they can't afford them.
I've got about 36,000+ perk points and could probably fly perk planes 'til my hands bleed ... but you won't find me in one. Every once in awhile I will take one up, but I much prefer my FM2 or F6-F and if ENY does take them out of play I'll up a P-47-D11.