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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: ghi on May 17, 2010, 08:37:37 AM
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http://english.ruvr.ru/rtvideo/2010/05/05/video_7322094.html
This story was in news over the weekend, i didn't know nuclear devices were ever used for "peaceful"purpose, but russians are suggesting it may be the only way the stop the oil spill in Gulf of Mexico.I was thinking it may be used to close the volcano in Iceland also, or make it bigger,lol.
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<---Giggles at thought of US environmentalists' reactions....
back when I was in university there was an officially incorporated study group calling itself "Nuke the Whales", with the express purpose of annoying the Left...
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Burning for three years-----WOW!
I am not all to sure about the idea the Russians have. How big dose the nuclear bomb have to be to have the affect? And, could the detonation effect other oil rigs in the area?
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As far-fetched as the plan goes, it actually sounds quite logical.
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Yes the russians are smarter. great solution, itll get rid of the oil leak problem alright. <BOOOMMM!!> no more oil leak, no more enviromentalists, epa, greenpeace, no more everyone, heeheee. :rolleyes:
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I think BP would rather funnel their oil ($$$$$$) out with a hose.
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As far-fetched as the plan goes, it actually sounds quite logical.
The less elegant alternative is pumping EX down a slant drilled hole and lighting that, but certainly no way to gurantee uniformity. Oddly, the soviets got it right on this one. ESP at those pressures and depth.
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Burning for three years-----WOW!
They have another one in Turkmenistan still burning since 1971
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEjoga1yrn0
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They have another one in Turkmenistan still burning since 1971
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEjoga1yrn0
I've seen that before. That is insane! :x
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They have another one in Turkmenistan still burning since 1971
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEjoga1yrn0
There's a coal fire that's been burning under Centralia, Pennsylvania since 1962.
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There's a coal fire that's been burning under Centralia, Pennsylvania since 1962.
Here is what Motherland is talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkHfnp2czZQ
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They have another one in Turkmenistan still burning since 1971
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEjoga1yrn0
HUH, I guess there effort in blowing it up with a nuke failed.
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Here is what Motherland is talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkHfnp2czZQ
That is interesting.
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How are you going to deliver a nuke to a point more than a mile under water? How will you protect the Gulf communities from the tsunami event that may follow? :huh
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There's a coal fire that's been burning under Centralia, Pennsylvania since 1962.
Been there many times going to Penn State football games......... a bit unnerving when you drive through something like that.
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I or none of you guys would want that in or that to happen in your back yard. Poor fellers whoever lost hope there, what a waste a land. <S> to the pennsylvanians.
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How are you going to deliver a nuke to a point more than a mile under water? How will you protect the Gulf communities from the tsunami event that may follow? :huh
They can deliver a device that far down and i am sure it is not a big bomb that can produce that kind of energy to cause a tsunami. But nerveless, i really doubt they will do that.
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How are you going to deliver a nuke to a point more than a mile under water? How will you protect the Gulf communities from the tsunami event that may follow? :huh
If you know how much energy the nuclear reaction is going to expend, you can easily put it into some sort of modeling program and see if there will be any tsunami concern. I highly doubt there would be a noticeable wave effect, if any at all.
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They can deliver a device that far down and i am sure it is not a big bomb that can produce that kind of energy to cause a tsunami. But nerveless, i really doubt they will do that.
One of the early arguments was to use a conventional device that would first penetrate to 100 feet and collapse the flow line but at 5000 feet any device they could send like a torpedo would be crushed since they have never designed anything to go that deep.
The problem with a nuclear device is that it would remove so much solid material that it would cause a monumental movement of millions of tons of water below the surface. At that depth pressures are so high that the resulting shock wave would be carried not hundreds but thousands of miles like the worst tsunami imagineable. Homeland security has always worried that a 'small' nuclear device parked and detonated just 100 miles off the east coast would kill millions of people and thats on the surface. Wheres Al Gore when you need him? :devil
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Been there many times going to Penn State football games......... a bit unnerving when you drive through something like that.
Cool place to 4 x 4 is you like giant fissures in the road and are willing to risk getting cited :noid
A few times I thought I was gonna melt the tires off the Wrangler......
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don't worry the levies will save us :lol
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The problem with a nuclear device is that it would remove so much solid material that it would cause a monumental movement of millions of tons of water below the surface. At that depth pressures are so high that the resulting shock wave would be carried not hundreds but thousands of miles like the worst tsunami imagineable. Homeland security has always worried that a 'small' nuclear device parked and detonated just 100 miles off the east coast would kill millions of people and thats on the surface. Wheres Al Gore when you need him? :devil
Where the heck are you getting this information?
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I think the design intent would be to dig a few km under the seabed, and put the device there. Not on the surface able or baker style which were at 70 feet
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Its called the law of physics but you can look for Sedan Plowshare (less than 1 MT and I think it was a little more than 100 KT and displaced 11000000 tons of soil) for more information. Underwater experiments with nukes have been shallow water experiments to reduce tsunami like events.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRPXQO43ASo
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Its called the law of physics but you can look for Sedan Plowshare (less than 1 MT and I think it was a little more than 100 KT and displaced 11000000 tons of soil) for more information. Underwater experiments with nukes have been shallow water experiments to reduce tsunami like events.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRPXQO43ASo
I'm sorry, there is just no way that a controlled lower scale nuclear explosion a mile underwater 50 miles off the coast will produce any tsunami wave. The most relevant information I could find was from the wiki page of Moment Magnitude scale:
A rule of thumb equivalence from seismology used in the study of nuclear proliferation asserts that a one kiloton nuclear explosion creates a seismic signal with a magnitude of approximately 4.0.
AFAIK, the size of a tsunami-creating earthquake is usually in the magnitude of 7-9 on the Richter Scale. This is the best I could find. The energy created from an earthquake of this magnitude is much much larger than the energy of a nuclear blast. As helpful as learning about the laws of physics and that pretty youtube video you sent me was, I'd like some additional sourced information that would explain the catastrophic tsunami you detailed originally.
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Its called the law of physics but you can look for Sedan Plowshare (less than 1 MT and I think it was a little more than 100 KT and displaced 11000000 tons of soil) for more information. Underwater experiments with nukes have been shallow water experiments to reduce tsunami like events.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRPXQO43ASo
Chalenge, do you even know how a tsunami is made? If not, read a few book and you will find that this law of physics comes in many ways.
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I'm thinkin big explosion...Mothra gets released...New Orleans gets flattened when Mothra and Godzilla fight.......
and it's Booshe's fault :D
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How are you going to deliver a nuke to a point more than a mile under water? How will you protect the Gulf communities from the tsunami event that may follow? :huh
it wouldn't follow. they're not talking about a massive ICBM warhead. there's much smaller A-Bomb style tac nukes that can be used to an effect to stop the leak. but grizz is right. BP wouldnt sacrifice a valuable source of income for environmental protection.
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How are you going to deliver a nuke to a point more than a mile under water? How will you protect the Gulf communities from the tsunami event that may follow? :huh
A nuke isn't remotely powerful enough to cause a tsunami.
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A nuke isn't remotely powerful enough to cause a tsunami.
But it's called physics Karnak. :lol
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So the guys (Russians) who keep feeding Iran and that psycho in PRNK stuff to make nukes want us to detonate a nuke on a well head located nearly a mile below the ocean surface...
How big do the lines need to be before you can read between them?
This idiotic suggestion has nothing to do with solving the present problem, is contrary to finding a capitalist solution, feeds into the midgets of Iran and NK, widens the pipeline for Russians to feed more tech to those two psychos....
Come on guys...
The only thing dumber than this suggestion is serious consideration of it...
However....if you want to set off a nuke at the well head...then lets make sure 2 other nukes go off at the same time...those latter two at ground zero of the the two psycho regimes nuke research/development facilities...
Of course the wellhead nuke would be a dud (whoops)...but the ones drilled into PRNK and the Iranian facility would work perfectly...
Then I would welcome it...
Oneway
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Lets see its 5000 feet under water. Its near a huge oil deposit. There is a fault line running very near the site (thats right the very same fault line the USGS was unaware of and that caused an earthquake in September 2006). They want to use a nuke and move a significant mass.
Hmmm.
Yes I would be thinking about tsunamis. But what they hey you guys are always right. :devil
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Lets see its 5000 feet under water. Its near a huge oil deposit. There is a fault line running very near the site (thats right the very same fault line the USGS was unaware of and that caused an earthquake in September 2006). They want to use a nuke and move a significant mass.
Hmmm.
Yes I would be thinking about tsunamis. But what they hey you guys are always right. :devil
Oh well, now you say there is a fault line running near the site. In that case, yea, it could be a issue but that all depends on what kind of fault that is down there.
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So the guys (Russians) who keep feeding Iran and that psycho in PRNK stuff to make nukes want us to detonate a nuke on a well head located nearly a mile below the ocean surface...
How big do the lines need to be before you can read between them?
This idiotic suggestion has nothing to do with solving the present problem, is contrary to finding a capitalist solution, feeds into the midgets of Iran and NK, widens the pipeline for Russians to feed more tech to those two psychos....
Come on guys...
The only thing dumber than this suggestion is serious consideration of it...
However....if you want to set off a nuke at the well head...then lets make sure 2 other nukes go off at the same time...those latter two at ground zero of the the two psycho regimes nuke research/development facilities...
Of course the wellhead nuke would be a dud (whoops)...but the ones drilled into PRNK and the Iranian facility would work perfectly...
Then I would welcome it...
Oneway
The only thing you should welcome is checking into mental institution. I'm surprised you didn't mention illegal aliens.
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The only thing you should welcome is checking into mental institution. I'm surprised you didn't mention illegal aliens.
Says the KGB...... Uh Oh. :noid
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Yes I would be thinking about tsunamis. But what they hey you guys are always right. :devil
So you don't have a source or at least an off the wall Onion article where you pulled any of that mega tsunami stuff from?
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I live where they take oil from our land pay a dirt cheap price fer it, bring it down states, process it down there, bottle it and send it back up here to alaska and we pay tenfold times more than THEY paid for it. on top of that, WHEN they do have an oil spill the oil company is like EH SO WHAT we will clean it up EH its not in my yard. So friken annoying unfair, IF i was to goto BP's building in Anchorage and open up a QUART of oil and spill it in the buggers crib id get thrown the f in jail and a BIIIIGGG fine. our ways of LAW is messed up. I say throw BP's all of them in jail. they are criminals for contaminating the land and water.
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Here is what they need . It is called a Hydrasep ..
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The only thing you should welcome is checking into mental institution. I'm surprised you didn't mention illegal aliens.
You want to talk about "them" start a different thread...I have an opinion or two on that subject...
But lets digress a bit and pull back from that abyss...
Nothing is what it seems or appears to be when viewed through the prism of geo-political commentary and analysis...and the suggestion of detonating a thermonuclear device on a well head is anything but a cognitive solution to the problem at hand...Komrade...
Consider the source, consider their interests, and their partners who share those interests...and operate in parallel...and make sure you view outside of the prism of the present problem...the laymen view...
Start connecting the dots...you got a mental picture of that?
Think fallout...not the nuclear type...the geo-political & geo-economic type...and in this case, if we were to take this suggestion seriously...that fallout would be tectonic...no pun intended.
Americas unilateral use of nuclear device to address the well head issue would be a neon green light seen around the world to resume live testing and proliferation & distribution of nuclear technology by legitimizing it as a viable solution to a catastrophic commercial/industrial accident..
I can't fault the Russians for floating this idea...for it is without serious merit...but feeds nicely into their present posture and plays on their long history of propaganda...saying one thing while meaning another...
NOTHING IS WHAT IT APPEARS TO BE...
Oneway
:salute
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I live where they take oil from our land pay a dirt cheap price fer it, bring it down states, process it down there, bottle it and send it back up here to alaska and we pay tenfold times more than THEY paid for it. on top of that, WHEN they do have an oil spill the oil company is like EH SO WHAT we will clean it up EH its not in my yard. So friken annoying unfair, IF i was to goto BP's building in Anchorage and open up a QUART of oil and spill it in the buggers crib id get thrown the f in jail and a BIIIIGGG fine. our ways of LAW is messed up. I say throw BP's all of them in jail. they are criminals for contaminating the land and water.
You do realize if their were no oil companies sinking billions of dollars into finding the stuff, extracting the stuff, shipping the stuff, refining the stuff, shipping the stuff, distributing the stuff....
You have two choices:
1) Log off the grid...live in a dug out and skin your seals with a stone knife...
2) Grab yourself a drill bit and a half a dozen roughnecks and change the way business is done...
Be honest with yourself and the rest of us and admit that American Industrial Effort fed by Greed and Capitalism...though flawed at times has provided all of us with the highest standards of living known to the human race...
You can't have it both ways...either log off the grid...or live the hypocrisy...
Your opportunity to respond to this thread is predicated upon...and provided by...humans who decided to drill holes in the planet and suck oil from the earth...
Oneway
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So you don't have a source or at least an off the wall Onion article where you pulled any of that mega tsunami stuff from?
Why do I need a source? I said Im worried that a nuclear device detonated near a known fault line could be a problem. Now oneway is hinting about political fallout. I can agree with that too. I can just hear Chavez screaming about the U.S. irradiating 'his' oil so even if there is no actual physical calamity 'we' (U.S. tax payers) are on the hook.
So go ahead and splash the coast with a tsunami event and get it over with already. :D
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Why do I need a source? I said Im worried that a nuclear device detonated near a known fault line could be a problem. Now oneway is hinting about political fallout. I can agree with that too. I can just hear Chavez screaming about the U.S. irradiating 'his' oil so even if there is no actual physical calamity 'we' (U.S. tax payers) are on the hook.
So go ahead and splash the coast with a tsunami event and get it over with already. :D
:rofl
That's what I thought.
Stick to the flight sims and computer hardware techno blabble. :aok
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I can assure you that in the event a TND was detonated...any actual hydraulic/tectonic event would end up being a a single bubble in a boiling pot compared to the 'earth shaking' that would occur on how the world looks at and listens to proliferation/use rhetoric...
The world would change...
That is why the Russian's pinged the bottom with this one...
Give me a ping, Vasili. One ping only, please.
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@Grizz
One advantage to dealing with ridiculous responses like yours is there is never any substance to anything you offer.
You didnt even bother to look into the possible repercussions but it doesnt matter. I have doubts the politicians in this country will ever allow a nuclear device be used for this.
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though flawed at times has provided all of us with the highest standards of living known to the human race...
On what are you basing this statement?
I have doubts the politicians in this country will ever allow a nuclear device be used for this.
That's all that really matters... despite the motives behind it or whether it would work, it will never happen...
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On what are you basing this statement?
Reality...and the fact I can take a hot shower whenever I want and I don't have to boil water to drink it...
The next time you send an email or shove a card into the ATM machine...thank a greedy capitalist for the privileged...
The next time you respond to this thread thank a greedy capitalist....
The next train leaves the station zero dark thirty...and it isn't on platform 9 3/4 for Hogsworth
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Your comment reminds me of a quote:
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
Adam Savage, Myth Busters
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Reality...and the fact I can take a hot shower whenever I want and I don't have to boil water to drink it...
That's not exactly a high standard, there. Just saying.
I can read therefore I'm the most intelligent man alive.
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That's not exactly a high standard, there. Just saying.
After sucking in oxygen and expelling green house gases for the last 50+ years I would beg to differ with you...
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Sunday September 10 2006 Magnitude 5.8... effects of the quake were felt throughout Florida and as far away as North Carolina.
The survey company I was working for at the time went into deep water mapping immediately (Government funded) so I am very familiar with the topology of the Gulf of Mexico. The major fault line actually follows the Mississippi river very nearly right down the center all the way to New Orleans and further south 250 miles. There are many sub-faults that branch off the central fault and flow east and west. We have them mapped now. Up until the event of 2006 these faults were totally unknown.
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/shakemap/global/shake/slav_06/
Do some research and you will discover what I am saying is true. :aok
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I live where they take oil from our land pay a dirt cheap price fer it, bring it down states, process it down there, bottle it and send it back up here to alaska and we pay tenfold times more than THEY paid for it. on top of that, WHEN they do have an oil spill the oil company is like EH SO WHAT we will clean it up EH its not in my yard. So friken annoying unfair, IF i was to goto BP's building in Anchorage and open up a QUART of oil and spill it in the buggers crib id get thrown the f in jail and a BIIIIGGG fine. our ways of LAW is messed up. I say throw BP's all of them in jail. they are criminals for contaminating the land and water.
Isn't that a bill that Palin got through........?
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Isn't that a bill that Palin got through........?
Here we go...
The de-evolution of logic and reason...
Are you sure "that bill" is the one you reference or the other one...where she approved biting off the heads of babies and feeding them to the sled dogs?
No no....I am sorry, I am mistaken....you must be referencing where she wanted to use Polar Bear spawning grounds for dumping snow mobile crank case oil...
That's it....stupid bears...
Heck makes sense...if a stupid white bear wants to ravage dumpster in a northern hooch you might as well feed him Ski-Doo crank case oil...
Yep I am sure that is the Bill Palin approved....
What an evil witch...the progenitor of all that is wrong...
:O
How in the world did we go from timely "Russian Advice" to set off a nuke in the Sargasso Basin to "Biting the Heads Off" of babies and feeding them to sled dogs?
Whipsaw.....
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The Russians are just lookng for a cheap way to re-run Operation Crossroads...all they need now are some old warships
Tronsky
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The Russians are just lookng for a cheap way to re-run Operation Crossroads...all they need now are some old warships
Tronsky
Yep...
But....
They are stuck with supplying the tin horns who would love to visit XRoad Reduex...in the process they get some pay back for having the Capitalist Juggernaut shoved down their throat in the late 80's...90's
No doubt the bellybutton chapping we handed them still stings....
They love cozening up to clowns such as Kim Jong and AkMDingALing to vicariously express themselves...
The state department song and dance and the diplomatic gyrations make me sick...on one hand we pretend they are new age allies...on the other hand they feed money and material assets to those who destabilize geo-political normality...
Look at the bright side...
At no time in the history of the planet have more nations been founded on constitutional/democratic republics....still along way to go...but the progress is undeniable...
Semper Fi
Live Free or Die
Oneway
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Sunday September 10 2006 Magnitude 5.8... effects of the quake were felt throughout Florida and as far away as North Carolina.
The survey company I was working for at the time went into deep water mapping immediately (Government funded) so I am very familiar with the topology of the Gulf of Mexico. The major fault line actually follows the Mississippi river very nearly right down the center all the way to New Orleans and further south 250 miles. There are many sub-faults that branch off the central fault and flow east and west. We have them mapped now. Up until the event of 2006 these faults were totally unknown.
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/shakemap/global/shake/slav_06/
Do some research and you will discover what I am saying is true. :aok
What kind of fault line is it?
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Do some research and you will discover what I am saying is true. :aok
I did some research and discovered what you are saying couldn't be any further from true. Calling it flat out wrong would be an understatement.
Firstly, a nuclear bomb releases a minute fraction of that of a tsunami causing earthquake. The two aren't even comparable. That is fact. Now you are trying to say that since it would be occurring around a fault line, the nuclear explosion would somehow spur a chain reaction which causes an actual earthquake. I knew this to be complete hogwash as soon as I read it, but decided to pull some facts up just to back up what I already knew:
An earthquake is the sudden release of strain energy in the Earth's crust (see "Earthquakes in a Nutshell"), but strain builds up from several different causes: the movements of plate tectonics, the weight of sediments shifting from erosion or from deposition, changes in fluids underground, and more obscure factors like mineral phase changes in the mantle
So the forces that ordinary bombs exert don't cause earthquakes. The amount of energy in bomb explosions is microscopic compared to the energies of earthquakes. It's like the difference between playing on a piano and dropping the piano down a flight of stairs.
Secondly, the existence of a fault line/zone is nothing more than an area where the earth releases internal strain from its crust (earthquakes). A bomb has absolutely no impact on strain/movement of plates/weight of sediment/erosion/changes in fluids and absolutely zero effect. You could detonate a hundred nuclear bombs simultaneously right on top of a fault line and it would not initiate an earthquake, the two have nothing to do with one another.
And Chalenge in regards to this:
@Grizz
One advantage to dealing with ridiculous responses like yours is there is never any substance to anything you offer.
You didnt even bother to look into the possible repercussions but it doesnt matter. I have doubts the politicians in this country will ever allow a nuclear device be used for this.
It isn't my responsibility to do this research because I'm not the one saying this:
The problem with a nuclear device is that it would remove so much solid material that it would cause a monumental movement of millions of tons of water below the surface. At that depth pressures are so high that the resulting shock wave would be carried not hundreds but thousands of miles like the worst tsunami imagineable.
Stick to flight sims and scorpion bite antidotes. :rofl
Not that this matters anyways. The main point is being lost in all of this. It would still probably be a bad idea to use a nuke for many of the reasons oneway pointed out.
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And even if it does trigger an earthquake at the fault location, doing nothing would not prevent the same earthquake from occurring in the future due to the insane pressures already present in it. I don't know what kind of fault this is but worrying about a tsunami is the least of my concern. Its probably going to be a wave smaller than those generated by a bird's poop landing in my pool.
Even if its the Russians idea, it doesn't mean its them that are going to take the matter into their own hands at the cost of the American's control and safety. Since I don't understand what Oneway means, I believe its a good idea to finally use those weapons for a good cause which every informed person will agree upon. No pun intended. Though its still not an excuse to build more.
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...Even if its the Russians idea, it doesn't mean its them that are going to take the matter into their own hands at the cost of the American's control and safety....
Here is someone who has put two of the three puzzle pieces together...which puts him one puzzle piece up on the rest of the crowd...but we are still missing the whole picture...
The key here is that this IS THE RUSSIANS IDEA.......and it is not an accident that this idea suggest U.S. unilateral action...
Lepape's comments sardonically point out that..."it doesn't mean its them that are going to take matter into their own hands..."....and he is exactly right for the wrong reason...
The Russians would love to see us touch off a nuke on the well head...given a chance they "would take matters into their own hands"...and force us to play the stupid card...
Thankfully, and despite the idiotic posturing of this present administration and their incessant hand wringing, they are not this stupid...not this inept...
But...they continue to surprise me...
NO NUKES ON THE WELL HEAD...THE RUSSKIES CAN POUND SAND...SANCTIONS TO CONTINUE ON IRAN AND PRNK....
Out
Oneway
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Uncle Kim would like to remind you that it's the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. If you act now Uncle Kim will give you a water buffalo and your own rice paddy to squat in.:rofl
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So the forces that ordinary bombs exert don't cause earthquakes. The amount of energy in bomb explosions is microscopic compared to the energies of earthquakes. It's like the difference between playing on a piano and dropping the piano down a flight of stairs.
Analogy of the week! :aok
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I did some research and discovered what you are saying couldn't be any further from true.
I never said the nuke would directly cause the tsunami. What I was trying to get everyone to see is the repercussion of a nuke along a seismic fault line (sub-fault in this case). No one can predict they effect of a massive movement of terrain at that depth. Its never been done before and its a bad idea.
I guess you and Al Gore have a lot in common there Grizz. You both KNOW IT ALL! :neener:
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Allaire you should look up the original definition of 'democrat' as defined by our forefathers. In those days if you used language like that you would be dueling for your life. :D
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Allaire you should look up the original definition of 'democrat' as defined by our forefathers. In those days if you used language like that you would be dueling for your life. :D
I thought we where a "republic" nation? Anyway, i am sure we can deliver a device that far down with out any problems. As far as the effects that the device will activate a earthquake can be possible and sure that the USGS can tell what may happen. The that device energy will be a lot smaller than the first tested atomic bomb in New Mexico.
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Allaire you should look up the original definition of 'democrat' as defined by our forefathers. In those days if you used language like that you would be dueling for your life. :D
I don't need to look up anything. That is what North Korea calls itself. The line I used was from the movie "Hamburger Hill."
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Just so the uniformed are clear...
This Nation (ours) is not a Democracy....Democracy is a messy business fraught with challenge and propensity for de-evolution into to mob rule...
This Nation is a Constitutional Republic founded on our Forefathers infinite wisdom that every power center should be divided...
Anyone who thinks America is a Democracy has to go to the back of the Bus and learn 'sumpin'...
We are NOT a Democracy...and thank god for that...
Our system as a Republic recognizes States rights...and neuters to an extent the all reaching, all knowing Federal hand...
Lets embrace that limitation and enjoin it...
Semper Fi...
Out
Oneway
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This thread makes my brain turn into Allaire's avatar. I can't believe it's still open, to be frank. :confused:
Anyway, we obviously just need to shove golf balls and scraps of rubber into the well head. What could possibly go wrong? :rofl
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I thought we where a "republic" nation? Anyway, i am sure we can deliver a device that far down with out any problems. As far as the effects that the device will activate a earthquake can be possible and sure that the USGS can tell what may happen. The that device energy will be a lot smaller than the first tested atomic bomb in New Mexico.
At 5000 feet underwater and then another 2-300 feet below the surface ANY explosion will have zero effect upon that oil leak. The reason is (and sorry if this upsets Russians) that the deeper you have to go with explosive charges the more mass you must move to make any type of crater and what ends up happening at pressures as severe as those at 5000 depth is that the crater formed is a vertical column with ZERO side-form (no lateral translation).
The problem becomes greater concerning sound waves driven by nuclear proportions (10T and above). The reason is the way sound waves (which are the same as pressure waves in effect) propagate at 5000 feet under water. You dont have to worry about levels of sound but just the fact that the low frequency wave is initiated and that it is powered by the force of the explosion. Under water of that depth the wave becomes nearly recursive which means that is further powered by repeat instances. In the case we are discussing the waves (the problem frequencies) reflect off of the thermocline and can travel for thousands of miles (you can check this by doing the math yourself - see Mackenzie and Coppens formulas for speed of sound in sea water and Underwater Acoustics). Worse than that is the fact that harmonic functions form within the wave immediately. The harmonics it turns out become the biggest problem but the fact that the Gulf is very nearly completely enclosed comes to issue also due to reflective waves. Now despite the fact that you can (according to some brilliant individuals) drop bombs on a fault by the hundreds and see no earthquake... you cannot guarantee with any certainty that pressure waves of the intensity we are talking about would have zero effect. This is a problem of force and resonance but not of direct force and not of direct resonance and yes I can see problems forming (it should be obvious). Also the creation of Seiche events within the Gulf would not be limited to pressure waves because surface waves will be driven by pressure waves passing through the thermocline in a non-uniform manner. The reason that this happens (seiche formations) is the effect that varying pressures occur in deep sea water due to differing temperatures depth and salinations. Seiche events could theoretically resonate for days.
This is not just a bad idea its an absolutely horrible concept. Just some happy thoughts to go along with our little oil disaster. :D
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Did anyone here see dambusters?
:bolt:
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All I can say is.
America and Russia both have their flaws, but there is one thing that the Russians do better than the US, and that is accomplishing things.
For example, NASA spent millions designing a Pen that worked in space, Russia gave their astronauts pencils.
The M-16 had to have the top two rounds of the magazine removed to prevent jams. The AK-47 could be ditched in a quagmire of mud for two weeks, picked up by an NVA soldier and fired.
The point is that America spends millions on different projects on one thing or another, where Russia takes a method that works and adapt it to suit with existing equipment. Making it easier, faster and most importantly... cheap.
So if I needed something done in a hurry that would be solved permanently I would give Vlad a call.
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America and Russia both have their flaws, but there is one thing that the Russians do better than the US, and that is accomplishing things.
Such as landing on the moon, or creating a stable country? :bolt:
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At 5000 feet underwater and then another 2-300 feet below the surface ANY explosion will have zero effect upon that oil leak. The reason is (and sorry if this upsets Russians) that the deeper you have to go with explosive charges the more mass you must move to make any type of crater and what ends up happening at pressures as severe as those at 5000 depth is that the crater formed is a vertical column with ZERO side-form (no lateral translation).
The problem becomes greater concerning sound waves driven by nuclear proportions (10T and above). The reason is the way sound waves (which are the same as pressure waves in effect) propagate at 5000 feet under water. You dont have to worry about levels of sound but just the fact that the low frequency wave is initiated and that it is powered by the force of the explosion. Under water of that depth the wave becomes nearly recursive which means that is further powered by repeat instances. In the case we are discussing the waves (the problem frequencies) reflect off of the thermocline and can travel for thousands of miles (you can check this by doing the math yourself - see Mackenzie and Coppens formulas for speed of sound in sea water and Underwater Acoustics). Worse than that is the fact that harmonic functions form within the wave immediately. The harmonics it turns out become the biggest problem but the fact that the Gulf is very nearly completely enclosed comes to issue also due to reflective waves. Now despite the fact that you can (according to some brilliant individuals) drop bombs on a fault by the hundreds and see no earthquake... you cannot guarantee with any certainty that pressure waves of the intensity we are talking about would have zero effect. This is a problem of force and resonance but not of direct force and not of direct resonance and yes I can see problems forming (it should be obvious). Also the creation of Seiche events within the Gulf would not be limited to pressure waves because surface waves will be driven by pressure waves passing through the thermocline in a non-uniform manner. The reason that this happens (seiche formations) is the effect that varying pressures occur in deep sea water due to differing temperatures depth and salinations. Seiche events could theoretically resonate for days.
This is not just a bad idea its an absolutely horrible concept. Just some happy thoughts to go along with our little oil disaster. :D
Did you actually typed that or copy and paste?
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There's a coal fire that's been burning under Centralia, Pennsylvania since 1962.
Thats like 30 miles from my house hehe
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This thread got boring after Chalenge's first post :headscratch:
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Did you actually typed that or copy and paste?
If you sift through all his techno blabble, what he is saying is the sound waves from the nuke would trigger a giant earthquake in the gulf. This mega tsunami that would develop as result would most likely flood the coasts with a 300 foot wall of water and kill billions of americans in montana.
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If you sift through all his techno blabble, what he is saying is the sound waves from the nuke would trigger a giant earthquake in the gulf. This mega tsunami that would develop as result would most likely flood the coasts with a 300 foot wall of water and kill billions of americans in montana.
I know what he is saying, just wonder if he actually type up something that technical or copy it from some other web and past it on here. Neither way, it hold a valet point to a certain degree.
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There's a coal fire that's been burning under Centralia, Pennsylvania since 1962.
Ive been there.
"Creepy" doesn't do it justice.