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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: wakes on June 01, 2010, 01:02:32 PM
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Gonna start the process of getting my facts straight for a new build..... gonna do it in steps. I'm asking any and all advice cause I have a lot of respect for this bored and the peep's on it,, been reading it since day 1 of AH.
I have built all my past Machines, starting in the mid 90's....
heres what I have now
AMD 9550 Quad@ 2.2
MSI K9A2 neo
BFG 260
4 gig of ram
Audigy 2 zs
RocketFish psu 700w
Apveia Case looks cool but airflow sucks.
I m gonna base my new build off of the AMD 965BE
I would like to overclock. still a toss up on water cooling
I'm gonna buy the case first, looking for a good case,with good airflow that's reasonable priced, and looks good.
Thanks All <S>
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Hello wakes,
The million dollar question is and will always be:
What is your budget?
If you are getting the 965 it seems as though you aren't under too much of a budget strain.
Actually that build you have isn't too bad at all.
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Only Case to get IMO: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146062 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146062)
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FYI
You are aware BFG is pulling out of the video card market? I know they said they will continue to honor warranties, but do you really want to depend on that?
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Skuzzy...... was really thinking of switchin to an ati card.
Gonna buy the case in the next couple hours... then order the processor and motherboard in a week or so...
and with the bugget,, I just wanna be sensible,, i could do a buck, buck and a half for a good case.
I am gonna replace everything.... just in steps,,, case now, CPU mother board, couple weeks,,,, etc etc...
gonna but the old rig in the new case because this case doesn't cut it.....
and at the tail end I'll make the jump to windows 7...... but i am wondering which version,, 32 bit or 64.... I really don t know the advantages and the disadvantages, so if someone could school me, I'd very much appreciate it
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Mash..... I like the case... I like the numbers, I might water cool,, any negs with the case for that?
anyone oneelse feel free to voice your opinoin on the case....... thumbs up, or down
Thanks
Me
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The Tempest EVO is a great case. It's also great for watercooling. If you want to go overboard spending 3 bucks for a case, check out the 800D.
If not, check it out anyway and you'll want it. :P
For ATI video cards, you 'll want to go anywhere from a 5770 -> 5870.
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sry Mash... just finnished reading the specs, and it is tooled for water cooling...
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Spikes...
I liked the 800d,,, but 260 clams on a case...makes me wanna puke..... smiles man,
looks like its gonna be the Tempest evo.. I'll wait a couple hours or so before i order it.... see what any other post bring in
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Spikes...
I liked the 800d,,, but 260 clams on a case...makes me wanna puke..... smiles man,
looks like its gonna be the Tempest evo.. I'll wait a couple hours or so before i order it.... see what any other post bring in
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Oh it dropped, was 300 bucks :) It is an extremely nice case, but I agree overkill for the average user.
You will not be disappointed by the NZXT Tempest EVO, or any NZXT product for that matter.
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I have this case and I like it, but I can't compare to the Tempest because I don't have one here to say what is better. The HAF Coolermaster case is larger than your standard midsize tower case. The one thing I dont like is there is no dust filters. The front mesh does act somewhat like a filter though. I also run a 200 mm fan on the side, but has to be bought seperatley.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119197&cm_re=coolermaster-_-11-119-197-_-Product (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119197&cm_re=coolermaster-_-11-119-197-_-Product)
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Did the deed....... its Tempest EVO ..... want to say thaks to u all.
ok next question...... what flavor motherboard would u guys suggest.... looking for an over clocker... I'd do about two bills or so... this is for a AMD965 BE
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Only Case to get IMO: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146062 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146062)
Ditto on the case, although the NZXT tempest is solid too.
I'd try it first without a sound card and just use the onboard sound. if you have issues then buy the sound card. I just use the onboard sound and it does fine.
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Not too sure on mobo's, but I personally like Gigabyte. That new Crosshair IV looks sweet. But it's made for Quad Vid Cards.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131644
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Gigabyte fan here too.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6078269&CatId=4296 (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6078269&CatId=4296)
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Ditto on the case, although the NZXT tempest is solid too.
I'd try it first without a sound card and just use the onboard sound. if you have issues then buy the sound card. I just use the onboard sound and it does fine.
It's the same Tempest case, except it's Black on the inside now.
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It's the same Tempest case, except it's Black on the inside now.
Oh, hehe. Nice looking case with lots of room, have one right beside me.
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Oh, hehe. Nice looking case with lots of room, have one right beside me.
I got one as well from TilDeath. Best upgrade I ever did to my PC.
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I got one as well from TilDeath. Best upgrade I ever did to my PC.
Hey, that's where I got mine!
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Yeah, I got my Lexa S from TD. I have a Tempest EVO in my closet waiting for parts. :)
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ok next question...... what flavor motherboard would u guys suggest.... looking for an over clocker... I'd do about two bills or so... this is for a AMD965 BE
Heya wakes,
you said you wanted to go with an ATI videocard, so I would recommend going with an ATI North bridge, regardless of manufacturer for the MB.......
but if it was my money, I would purchase one of the 3 listed in the newegg link below:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2%2050001315%2040000022%201070946178%201071134450%20107191003%201071957483&name=AMD%20890FX
all 3 of these have the newest ATI 890FX N.B. on them.... just pick which one satisfys your requirements
and a nice ATI 5870HD vidcard, would work nicely for you, along with a seasonic 750watt PSU
you shouldn't need water cooling right away, that "NZXT tempest" provides plenty of airflow
my recommendations, anyhows.....
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Hey, that's where I got mine!
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Lexa S is a nice case too. I prefer the side mount I/O panel on the Lexa over the top mount configuration of the Tempest.
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Lexa S is a nice case too. I prefer the side mount I/O panel on the Lexa over the top mount configuration of the Tempest.
Yeah I must admit it helps a lot when the desktop sits to the right of you on the desk...IMO both cases are prettyt much the same except for that and the HDD cages. Both great, sturdy cases.
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I would go with a Gigabyte MB. I have my i3 oc at 4.4ghz from 2.93. Yes it is water cooled too. Bios was really overclocking friendly.
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Suggestions soo far..... Gigabyte, or Asus.... and I will make sure it has ATI North bridge,,, Thanks for that TequilaChaser, wouldn't have known that.
ATI 5870HD......grrrr I'd love to have it..... but its 375.00 too much man,,, always had heartburn buyin Video cards over the 2 bill mark.....
looking for somthin better then my bfg260..... but if i cant cant one that is a cosiderable upgrade for 2 bills or soo,, I'll keep the 260 tillsomeone drops the price.....
I was thinkin the ati 5770... u guys think i'm just pissing my money away with this card.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6078344&CatId=3669
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Suggestions soo far..... Gigabyte, or Asus.... and I will make sure it has ATI North bridge,,, Thanks for that TequilaChaser, wouldn't have known that.
ATI 5870HD......grrrr I'd love to have it..... but its 375.00 too much man,,, always had heartburn buyin Video cards over the 2 bill mark.....
looking for somthin better then my bfg260..... but if i cant cant one that is a cosiderable upgrade for 2 bills or soo,, I'll keep the 260 tillsomeone drops the price.....
I was thinkin the ati 5770... u guys think i'm just pissing my money away with this card.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6078344&CatId=3669
well, I have used both Gigabyte & ASUS MB's, my experience is ASUS is much better and more stable with AMD cpu's, and has just as much overclocking potential as Gigabyte if not more abilitys ( also ASUS has 3 year warranty for MB )....... but YMMV
I am very big on getting good quality warrantys for my PC components I buy.......
as for the ATI HD5770..... they are good cards, but I would choose either Visiontek or XFX branded ATI cards for their lifetime warranty....... or I would choose ASUS even though the warranty is only 3 years
check out these 2 Visiontek cards:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/category/compare.asp?CatId=3669
also, I would check out newegg for possibly better pricing, unless you have a tigerdirect account???
5750's, 5770's, or even 5850's are all good products , the 5850 is also a bit pricey though but cheaper than the 5870........
the 5800 series of ATI cards is tops, the 5700 series is just a step below top grade....... if you was wondering the differences...most times it is like 5800 series has 256 bit Memory Interface to where 5700 series has 128 bit Memory Interface
edit: and the 5700 series is just a bit slower on the clock speeds etc....... not enough to really notice though....
hope this helps
TC
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A few people are running the 5770s and getting good performance out of the...but as will all graphics cards, you can never tell what a patch upgrade is going to cause until it happens.
You're going to notice a lot of difference from that 260 BFG. I've dealt with XFX warranty before, and as long as you register that card and keep the receipt as well as the part of the box with the serial number on it...you can get good service.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150462 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150462)
You're lucky that BFG didn't blow out on you...they over state the specs on their cards...Diamond brand cards are better and they suck.
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5770 will run the game full bore but it starts to struggle for me on shadowing at 8000 textures.
5770 is currently the best bang for the buck card.
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I determined to have three screens,,after finding out that my mobo doesnt support the
XFX HD 5770 to use eyeinifity, i decided to replace my mobo..
I'm getting all from tigerdirect
AMD Athlon II X4 620 Quad Core Processor
MSI 790GX-G65 Motherboard - AMD 790GX, AM3 ATI Hybrid CrossFire, CrossFireX, PCIe
OCZ Fatal1ty Dual Channel 4096MB PC10666 DDR3 1333MHz Memory (2 x 2048MB)
My total bill from TD is $354.00
I already have the 5770 card $169.00 and PS Corsair 750W
the HD and Creative Sound Card (PCI)
I decided after considering getting the matrox for $300.00 but I still needed a better mobo..
So, decided to upgrade mobo..I wanted to keep my budget around $500.00 for upgrade..
there is always better but depends on your budget...I also run Flight Simulator...
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I determined to have three screens,,after finding out that my mobo doesnt support the
XFX HD 5770 to use eyeinifity, i decided to replace my mobo..
I'm getting all from tigerdirect
MSI 790GX-G65 Motherboard - AMD 790GX, AM3 ATI Hybrid CrossFire, CrossFireX, PCIe
why would you want a Motherboard with onboard video when you have a videocard capable of eyefinity ( or using 3 monitors )? you'd be better off getting a FX northbridge model instead of GX northbridge model
I would think
might want to double check your MB specs against perhaps the MB linked below which is also an MSI MB with the 790FX northbridge:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130223
this MSI MB is even better:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130274
it might suit your needs better? maybe?
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To each their own. And obviously we have Gigabyte fans here.
I have two PC's with Gigabyte boards including the one Im on now and fly with.
Also have had a couple of builds with Asus boards.
and an MSI and an Intel board
But if I had to do do my build over again. I'd probably go Asus. I just find them easier to deal with.
Just personal preference
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To each their own. And obviously we have Gigabyte fans here.
I have two PC's with Gigabyte boards including the one Im on now and fly with.
Also have had a couple of builds with Asus boards.
and an MSI and an Intel board
But if I had to do do my build over again. I'd probably go Asus. I just find them easier to deal with.
Just personal preference
Yup, I've used GB on 2 builds, Asus on 1 and MSI on another...I tend to look for GB first, but I get whatever's the best deal.
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I have an MSI board and an Abit board. Both have been great. Nothing against Gigabyte boards though.
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And while at one time, I wouldn't buy anything other than an Abit, I had several bad experiences in a row 6 or 7 years ago - the Abit boards I bought were poorly designed, had compatibility and stability problems - in general, the quality of the Abit boards had gone downhill dramatically.
Have they improved again in your opinion?
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Thanks on the advice for the FX northbridge..This is a first for me in replacing a mobo..
I'm having a tech install the mobo and CPU..then half-way home..They are charging
$55.00 for the install and another $35.00 to Boot Up with existing XP.. I do Have a Vista
copy dont know if I'm going to install yet..
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Case came yesterday............. yup, it give me a woody,,,,, sooo all I can say is thank u guys, great advice
ordered the 965be yesterday...... oldladie found out,,,, well guess u all know what hapeen to my woody...,,, prolly gonna order the new MB monday or tuesday. It will be deffeninatly NOE.. well under the dar.
Thanks All....... god, she just read my post as i'm typing.........grrrrrrrrrrrrr r......well cant hide under dar now
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Kinda hard to NOE a new Tempest box onto your desk no matter how hard you try. A mini beer fridge is smaller. :cheers:
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Case came yesterday............. yup, it give me a woody,,,,, sooo all I can say is thank u guys, great advice
ordered the 965be yesterday...... oldladie found out,,,, well guess u all know what hapeen to my woody...,,, prolly gonna order the new MB monday or tuesday. It will be deffeninatly NOE.. well under the dar.
Thanks All....... god, she just read my post as i'm typing.........grrrrrrrrrrrrr r......well cant hide under dar now
Dinner out?