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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: dud on June 03, 2010, 07:34:03 AM
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As someone who has played several weeks now I thought I'd add a few lessons I learned the hard way. All this info is contained in the wiki, trainer website and these forums but people are reluctant to look for it. Here's a down and dirty summation.
1. You epically won at "MicroScrumpCorp WWII Ace Fighter Jockey I,II,and III" so you'll come here and own too. Totally wrong! Most of these guys have been here for years and your chances of upping a plane and killing someone right off the bat are very very low. Stick with it, even after the 2 week trial, it will eventually happen where you start getting kills.
2. The trainer website and training arena are your bestest friends. Use them!
3. Record every engagement to start and review the footage often! The things you did wrong usually are apparent on the films and will help you learn.
4. Research,research,research...knowledge is key. Know what your plane will do, and more importantly what it won't do.
5. Don't hop into the game the first day and start asking how to start your aircraft, where the fight is, or other assorted "I'm a new guy-please shoot me down" questions. Save those questions for your foray in the trainer arena.
6. This is a pretty close knit bunch, most don't want to talk to you at the beginning. They see hundreds and hundreds of people come and go but few that stay. Why waste time helping or even talking to someone who will be gone in 2 weeks? Would you? Training area will most certainly help you, that's the exception to this.
7. Don't attack bombers from the 6 o'clock position. You just spent forever and a day climbing to their altitude just to get chainsawed in half by tail guns cause you were stupid. (personal experience)
8. Know your role.... ok by now you know you suck at fighters, bombers and possibly tanks, maybe you should make troop runs. How about doing supps and listening to vox on what's going on. Man the ack guns or forward 5 inchers on CVs. If a huge furball breaks out over a base and you want to help, please do so but don't up a plane just to be shot down 17 seconds later when you can really be a killing machine in a Whirby.
9. PATIENCE! These guys didn't get this good in one day, and you won't either. Think "nose to the grindstone" here.
10. Enjoy the experience! From what I can tell, most of the damage models and flight characteristics are pretty close to the real thing. Envision yourself flying an airplane or driving a tank that was built by the lowest bidder or possibly forced labor. Said aircraft/tank was pretty much hand crafted, then shipped or flown thousands of miles just to be used as a weapon of war. After a few days of playing this simulation, it's amazes me that anyone, Axis or Allied, ever made it home from this conflict.
There are a ton more lessons but these are some of the main ones I have seen in my limited time here.
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Hiya dud.
Nice first post. Welcome to Aces High.
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You may be a Newb, but with a post like this, you are no Noob!
Very good stuff right here!
Welcome Aboard!
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Well done Sir. :salute
If only half the players would heed your advice,their game play would improve quickly.
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This ones gonna go far captn'.....best first post I've seen for a while.....not that I've been here that long but still....nice
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I'd like to add another one from way way way way (waywaywayway) back when I was still learning.
Don't think you can get really good just by teaching yourself. Find a trainer, find a friend, a squadron, any resource to help you, teach you, etc. I can't count the number of times when (many years back) somebody told me something and I was like "WHAAA?!?!?!? Holy CRAP! I've been doing something for 5 years and still couldn't get it right, but your one sentence of text made it all crystal clear to me! Thanks!" -- and I would have continued for another 10 years without "getting it" too!
Never be afraid to ask for help! If you teach yourself it may very well take forever and you may not learn what you wanted to know!
P.S. The AH learning curve is a very hard one. Harder still if you don't have help. I didn't have help, and it took me MONTHS and MONTHS (I think 4-6) before I got a "real" kill, and that guy was caught by surprise when I bounced him. I expect I'd have progressed much faster, got my first real kill in a month or less if I'd had some help. Silly me!
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great stuff, almost worth a sticky :aok
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As someone who has played several weeks now I thought I'd add a few lessons I learned the hard way.
Hi dud,
It sounds as though you have learned a lot in a short space of time. You have been here for three weeks, and I've been doing this for over twenty years, and I'm very impressed with you sir.
I like your attitude a lot!
If you would like to improve with fighters, I'm your man, you only need to ask!!
Badboy
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Good stuff here indeed. I am far from being adept in AH but as someone who is fairly new here (starting my 3rd month) I would like to add a couple things to any new players out there.
1)Learn offline and find the plane that fits your style best (TnB or BnZ or bomber....), then when you come to the Main Arena (MA), use only that plane for a couple tours. you will really notice a huge difference by the end of second tour.
2)Go to the dueling arena (DA) often and just fly your favorite plane into the main furball. You will improve your SA immensely and quickly. The DA is also a good place to test your skill in other planes as well.
3) Look to wing up with someone, not necessarily join a squad, but find someone you connect with when flying/fighting. Winging is teamwork and makes the game much more enjoyable and you will learn much faster. I know I did, but I was lucky to get into a great squad and awesome bunch of guys.
Go Raw Prawns!!! <G>
P.S. Most peeps in AH are a good bunch and will teach you whether enemy or not.
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A1 post :salute
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Well said.
So well said that it will do wonders for getting you noticed by the "ol timers".
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Its hard to believe what I just red... That was good! :aok
Welcome to the BBs, where old farts and aspiring old farts come about and clash together in timeless debates with a handful of beer :cheers:
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dud,
I think it's safe to say you impressed the trainer corps with this post :aok And we are often hard to impress :lol. see you in the TA :D
:salute
BigRat
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Welcome!
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Welcome to Aces High, my friend :salute
The only way to get better is to fly against people who can massacre you, it helps you learn, and it helps you gain experience. Good luck, see you in the skies.
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Great post.
I am here just a couple weeks and after reading this I realize I am not the only one suffering a lot like a rookie.
JrRush64.
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Great post !
With that said there is one more thing that I did as a noob. Whenever i waqs shot down , I would pm the shooter and ask what I did wrong or what I can do better.
By being respectful I found new friends and learned more.
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Great stuff for the noob, I would like to add my noob 2 cents, read-read and read some more, great stuff on the trainer’s sites. I highly recommend a book "In Pursuit" by Johan Kylander for the noob. I believe German WWII noob pilots would fly over head and watch one of their Ace’s fight to learn, so tried it myself and watched the films to learn. Lastly, if you have not tried the WWI arena try it, I find it a little less strenuous on your SA more 1vs1 great group of pilots flying there. In the short time that I have been flying, the game has become a lot more enjoyable with the new knowledge I have acquired, but you have to put in some classroom time. Sorry I jumped on this post kind of late but i'm a noob and wanted to get my first post in, thanks <S>
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Great post Dud. You will go quite far here Sir. :aok
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Amazing post :salute
1) Get a trainer
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2) Join a squad where people are willing to traine you. Preferably the best one in the game :D
Allways bear in mind they know and you don't and you have come to them for help.
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two very good first posts in this thread, there may be hope for the future yet.
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Great post.
I am here just a couple weeks and after reading this I realize I am not the only one suffering a lot like a rookie.
JrRush64.
Great post dud. In the past few weeks I've seemed to come across you alot JrRush, and you've been a tougher kill every time. Keep at it, like other's have said, the learning curve is steep, but do-able. :salute
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wow, great post dud :salute
like Krusty said, the learning curve on this game is very long and complicated. i've been playing for almost two years now and i'm still learning almost every day!!
now if only all the noobs would learn to take advice.....
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Great post ! :salute
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Wonderful post dud.
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wow, great post dud :salute
like Krusty said, the learning curve on this game is very long and complicated. i've been playing for almost two years now and i'm still learning almost every day!!
Learning more and more each day you play ? even after years of experience ?
How can that be true, if it is, please put a list on here for me wild, on what your still learning each day ?
Because i know this game is not as difficult as most people say :).
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Because i know this game is not as difficult as most people say :).
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Learning more and more each day you play ? even after years of experience ?
How can that be true, if it is, please put a list on here for me wild, on what your still learning each day ?
I've been doing this since 1989, starting with Air Warrior, through every incarnation of Aces High, right through to today without a break... and I'm still learning.
Like most things in life, the more you learn, the more you realize what you don't know.
That's why I'm still having as much fun today as I had at the beginning.
Badboy
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I've been doing this since 1989, starting with Air Warrior, through every incarnation of Aces High, right through to today without a break... and I'm still learning.
Like most things in life, the more you learn, the more you realize what you don't know.
That's why I'm still having as much fun today as I had at the beginning.
Agreed.
- oldman
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Okay guys, please put a list of what you learned, say from yesterday...
Life is different from a game, in life your day is never the same, you may do things you've never done before, of course your going to learn in every day life (that's well known), its how life goes !
The point is, i wonder if people just like saying their learning more each day on AH, i know i would never say it, because i would not be telling the truth... the only thing that's new is the people, and htc adds new objects to the game every so often.
Its not difficult because I've played AH, when i first started i could not hit a thing, (Not even a tree :D)... I say the truth, i wanted to get so good with fighters that it made me feel like i was dumb, how i could not hit anything or out maneuver anyone. I knew how to fly, i knew how to shoot, what i didn't know is how good you can get at a game like this, after a few years known as 4, i played so hard that i could almost knock down anyone in a fighter. just last night i got 5 kills in a P-38, no sweat (lost and elevator and a few things) but still up. today I'm not taking the game very seriously anymore, like i did back then. I realized just how much time i put into AH more than my own life, but i felt like when i was playing AH back a few weeks ago that my learning had stopped, nothing new was happening for me, people came in got kills did runs with bombers, as did i. Its the same old AH thing...
Theirs not much to learn on a game every day after years of playing it. Never compare a game to life, because life is far different from anything such as a graphical effect on a screen...
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Never compare a game to life, because life is far different from anything such as a graphical effect on a screen...
I think thats the point - the flight modelling of the aircraft in AH is so complex, detailed and realistic that to learn every nuance of just one aircrafts performance envelope under every condition that you might encounter takes years. this becomes clear when you run up against someone who has mastered a single aircraft by flying it almost exclusively for years :uhoh
add in the almost infinite complexity of ACM possible in a 1v1, let alone many vs many encounters, and the many different aircraft available to fly and you have a game which you can never really master in the same way as you can for eg. a fixed level in an arcade-style platform game against dumb AIs.
cool game :aok
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I think thats the point - the flight modelling of the aircraft in AH is so complex, detailed and realistic that to learn every nuance of just one aircrafts performance envelope under every condition that you might encounter takes years. this becomes clear when you run up against someone who has mastered a single aircraft by flying it almost exclusively for years :uhoh
add in the almost infinite complexity of ACM possible in a 1v1, let alone many vs many encounters, and the many different aircraft available to fly and you have a game which you can never really master in the same way as you can for eg. a fixed level in an arcade-style platform game against dumb AIs.
cool game :aok
This is where i have backup, I've flown against a person named (EAce), this guy has flown a German 109-g14 for many many years, and he's played in aces high for 10 years or more. he's a good friend of mine and we've done many 1 on 1s together. EAce plays in the DA a lot, and i will say he is an (ACE), he flies nothing but a 109, and does the best of anyone in it.
I'm different, i don't pick one plane, i fly them all, F4u's 51's 38's c205's ect ect... i have won against EAce in a 38, f4u, and even in his chosen bird, the 109. are flight and combat style is the same, may i ask how in 4 years time i can get as good as a person who has played for over 10 years in just one plane (109) ! i can fly them all, people have said i can fly anything, this game is not hard, and its not difficult...
Another point, i have played flight Sim's where it takes over 10 buttons and switches just to get your plane running and off the ground, in aces high 2 all you need is full power (shift +) and the auto pilot... That's not hard, and combat flight, its just as easy.
But all I'm doing is saying theirs not a lot to learn after years of gameplay, i just can't bring myself to understand it, and so far not one has yet told me what their still learning each day after so much experience :).
I know (See Rule 4), :aok.
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well thats ok, I guess not every one is as experten* as you :)
* ty ack ;)
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well thats ok, I guess not every one is as experten* as you :)
* ty ack ;)
Oh great now you want to make me feel bad, how dare you :lol.
I'm not a bad guy, most usually do misunderstand my post. :aok
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If it hasn't been said already, patience and a positive attitude will take you very far in this game. You'd be surprised after an engagement with an enemy player how many will reply to a kind private in-game text and upon further inquiring will gladly offer you positive feedback on what you might of done wrong/right or even point out an oportunity you had during the fight to take the advantage and get the kill that you might of not seen or weren't aware of.
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If it hasn't been said already, patience and a positive attitude will take you very far in this game. You'd be surprised after an engagement with an enemy player how many will reply to a kind private in-game text and upon further inquiring will gladly offer you positive feedback on what you might of done wrong/right or even point out an oportunity you had during the fight to take the advantage and get the kill that you might of not seen or weren't aware of.
I may have taken your reply in wrong, but are you saying that I'm posting in the wrong attitude ? or you think that in-game I'm a bully ? because in-game I'm very supportive towards others, and am very kind and polite
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Okay guys, please put a list of what you learned, say from yesterday...
For the longest time I've flown using tracers. Decided that the game would be more realistic if I turned them off. As you know, we have turned enemy icons off in the AvA arena, so you have no icon read-out of the range to the enemy plane. No read-out, no tracers, gunnery becomes more difficult. The last night I flew (Wednesday, I think) I found that the .50s on a P-38 aren't as straight-shooting as I thought they were when I had tracers.
Similarly, when the opponent was flying a Zeke (still Wednesday night), I decided I would try some b&z stuff. Never did that before, I'd much rather try an energy fight or just see how long I can turn. The b&z worked, but I didn't enjoy it and probably won't repeat.
On Monday night I flew the 51B a bit against the Franks, and learned that it shouldn't really be sharing the same sky with them. Still, one notch of flaps produced a better turn than I thought it would.
- oldman
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very good post, dud :aok
This is where i have backup, I've flown against a person named (EAce), this guy has flown a German 109-g14 for many many years, and he's played in aces high for 10 years or more. he's a good friend of mine and we've done many 1 on 1s together. EAce plays in the DA a lot, and i will say he is an (ACE), he flies nothing but a 109, and does the best of anyone in it.
you have backup for what? just because you have had many 1 vs 1's with a particular player and you think he does/is the best of anyone in the 109 really does not prove much, except that is your own view....
exactly what have been your gameid's in game for the past 4 years, who are you flying as in game these days? why the new BBS account since April of this year?
I'm different, i don't pick one plane, i fly them all, F4u's 51's 38's c205's ect ect... i have won against EAce in a 38, f4u, and even in his chosen bird, the 109. are flight and combat style is the same, may i ask how in 4 years time i can get as good as a person who has played for over 10 years in just one plane (109) ! i can fly them all, people have said i can fly anything, this game is not hard, and its not difficult...
show / post some films of your greatness, please share your knowledge & ability's to the rest of us less knowing :)
Another point, i have played flight Sim's where it takes over 10 buttons and switches just to get your plane running and off the ground, in aces high 2 all you need is full power (shift +) and the auto pilot... That's not hard, and combat flight, its just as easy.
immersion of push buttons to take off verses actual BFM &/or ACM is 2 completely different objectives of a games mechanics/features......
But all I'm doing is saying theirs not a lot to learn after years of gameplay, i just can't bring myself to understand it, and so far not one has yet told me what their still learning each day after so much experience :).
regarding Blue Text: Gameplay as in "winning the arena reset" I would agree after 4 years of it, not much more to learn on that aspect.....
regarding Green Text: You finally have admitted to the problem, you are not willing to let anyone help you or self admit that you have reached a plateau and that you need help to get past that bump in the road.....
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(AH) is no different and no more complicated then any other combat flight sim that has been made over the years...
Theirs learning and experimenting.... :) but it really does not matter i guess.
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The good thing about transparency is it's all there.
That's what I like about scores and one's ability to check other players scores both in game and on the net.
I'm not saying that scores are a yardstick for ability, but there's usually some relationship between the 2.
And don't tell me no-one checks when they belt or get belted by a player they're not familiar with nor have a look at some of the top ranked people and wonder "How the hell did they get that good?".
The point I'm leading to Buck is twofold;
1) A previous post asked for your in game handle.
2) You aren't that humble in stating your own ablilities.
If you care about score and your 2 handles are the same (Buck) I don't think you're threatening any of the top positions in the game any time soon.
And I'm saying this in light of your estimation of your own abilities, not as a derision.
You said the game wasn't hard - with respect I think you are totally and absolutely as wrong as you can get. Either that or your definition of hard isn't the same as mine.
Maybe re-think your statement - what do you think?
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I must admit, one can not truthfully depend on score here in Aces high......... not totally
for example: just last Friday Night then again Sunday Morning....... I was Private messaged (2) times, by 2 people I have never heard of calling a skilless noob, one time. the other time telling me I got lucky being a noob in a no skill needed flying plane
think I was in a P38, then an F4U1D then a P51 D then a F4U1? perhaps.... the Friday night fella, kept flaming away on open channel. you skilless this , skilless that... yet I had no score was just a big ol ZERO...
today ( Sunday Morning, I had an overall rank of like 1200+ and the Private Messanger calling me a noob......was ranked like 120 or 200 overall.... yet they see a very high rank numerically ( meaning poor flyer to them ). and think they can smack talk and thump their chest....
even had another low ranked ( as in low number rank ) tell me to let it go, ease off ..... I thought it was hilarious ....
one day people will learn that numbers do not mean anything except to maybe a person that is fooled by being ranked in the TOP 10 :O
just have fun and fight. then if you get shot down , get another plane and ask the person that shot you down, what you did wrong..... it really is that simple.... and you might even will gain a new friend out of it, and maybe even learn why you got shot down and will learn to not get so upset as to have a dang excuse everytime you have to up a new plane again ..... ........
( just ranting a bit ) nothing serious........
still will say it again
Dud! one helluva a Good Post Opened/Started...... my apologys for messing it up and getting off track........ wished it was sticky'ed and locked right after you posted the first Post :aok
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I gota know who buck is as well.
What is the ID you fly under and used for the past 4 years?
(are you the "buck" from the CH squad that I am thinking of)
Learning more and more each day you play ? even after years of experience ?
How can that be true, if it is, please put a list on here for me wild, on what your still learning each day ?
Because i know this game is not as difficult as most people say :).
Let us spend some time in the DA Buck. I would love to see what all you think you know.
I too learn something new all the time and am constantly striving to better myself in the game.
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Great post and skuzzy plz sticy this one...
All 10 items are still applicable to the older pilots too. I occasionally go to TA or DA just to learn new tactics.
As I was once told before "if you don't learn something new everyday, then you must be dead."
See ya in the skies and :salute
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I gota know who buck is as well.
What is the ID you fly under and used for the past 4 years?
(are you the "buck" from the CH squad that I am thinking of)
Let us spend some time in the DA Buck. I would love to see what all you think you know.
I too learn something new all the time and am constantly striving to better myself in the game.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,288026.msg3654741.html#msg3654741 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,288026.msg3654741.html#msg3654741)
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interesting.
no Flying Squirrels squad currently on the roster. as for the squad members:
tallboy currently in LD (good choice btw :aok)
no danman21 on the roster
no jaces on the roster
no Darkalex on the roster
no Stock2 on the roster
(all 2-weekers since disappeared?)
i can fly them all, people have said i can fly anything, this game is not hard, and its not difficult...
Late War Tour 125 Fighter Scores for Buck
Score Rank
Kills per Death + 1 1.05 1097
Kills per Sortie 0.78 893
Kills per Hour of Flight 5.47 665
Kills Hit Percentage 3.11 2111
Kill Points 2941.38 1452
I know score doesnt count for everything but this suggests you have more to learn.
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interesting.
no Flying Squirrels squad currently on the roster. as for the squad members:
tallboy currently in LD (good choice btw :aok)
no danman21 on the roster
no jaces on the roster
no Darkalex on the roster
no Stock2 on the roster
(all 2-weekers since disappeared?)
Late War Tour 125 Fighter Scores for Buck
Score Rank
Kills per Death + 1 1.05 1097
Kills per Sortie 0.78 893
Kills per Hour of Flight 5.47 665
Kills Hit Percentage 3.11 2111
Kill Points 2941.38 1452
I know score doesnt count for everything but this suggests you have more to learn.
I had to drop the squad RTHolmes, things were not going so well for me, been having difficulty you might say. my ID in aces high was (GunOrRun) then i went to (CrzyGunZ), i am no longer flying in aces high though.
Please don't mock me RTH, i have done nothing to harm anyone or anything, I've only stated my opinion, so you have gone too far with your get backs.
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apologies, was maybe too much. nothing personal, its just how it works round here (and IRL) - stick your neck out and someone will chop it off :devil
:salute
edit: hope you make it back to AH - its a truly great game :aok
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apologies, was maybe too much. nothing personal, its just how it works round here (and IRL) - stick your neck out and someone will chop it off :devil
:salute
edit: hope you make it back to AH - its a truly great game :aok
Apology accepted.
I have a long neck :uhoh, just kidding.
My time on aces high is truly done for now, my chances of coming back are very very small.
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My time on aces high is truly done for now, my chances of coming back are very very small.
I'm sorry to hear that. Feel free to come back to the game anytime. Plenty of old timers and younger folk here to welcome you back.
:cheers: :airplane:
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I'm sorry to hear that. Feel free to come back to the game anytime. Plenty of old timers and younger folk here to welcome you back.
:cheers: :airplane:
No need to be sorry, i quit flying weeks ago. Its only a game, people come and go over time....
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Great post !
With that said there is one more thing that I did as a noob. Whenever i waqs shot down , I would pm the shooter and ask what I did wrong or what I can do better.
By being respectful I found new friends and learned more.
if i beat a person in a certain way i <S> them in a PM and ask if they want to know how i got them... vice versa can make friends too...
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Gun,
Sry to see you go, your one of the best I've seen at firing on a diving opponent. I hope everything in your life turns around for the better <S>
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Gun,
Sry to see you go, your one of the best I've seen at firing on a diving opponent. I hope everything in your life turns around for the better <S>
<S> TnDep.
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Honestly it also has to do with the type of bombers you fight against.
Ju's attack facing bit below the ship. The belly gun can't shoot you neither can the tail guns too.
Lancs attack from the belly up. It has no belly gun which is perfect. At 1k away just go down and gain speed then attack up. If you do that really fast you'll avoid them even noticing you and getting on the nose gun.
B 17s and B 24s are basically flying fortresses. They got guns everywhere. My suggestion is to attack facing them or to the side. Like a Hoe. If you attack from the 6 your a very steady shot whereas from the side your a much harder target where they will more likely waste bullets.
Hope this helps. :noid