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Title: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Wildcat1 on June 21, 2010, 03:44:07 PM
thoughts? predictions? comments?

i saw the second half of the match vs. Slovenia, and i must say i've never seen U.S. Soccer played like that, it was amazing!

im excited for the final 16! :x
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: 68Wooley on June 21, 2010, 03:50:23 PM
Given the European teams are busy imploding, who knows? Wouldn't surprise me if the USA make the quarter finals.

The quality of the football generally hasn't been great but the fact that it's so close is making this World Cup pretty exciting. Next four days should be fun as the groups are all decided.



Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Raptor on June 21, 2010, 03:56:58 PM
America plays hard when they think they need to and don't play as hard when they think they should win. Hopefully they keep the fire under their bellybutton and don't blow it against Algeria
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Dragon on June 21, 2010, 03:57:53 PM
Disappointing first half the other day, second half, much better.  Then the blown call.  :furious


If they can learn to adjust to the other team a little sooner, they might have a chance.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Wildcat1 on June 21, 2010, 04:03:37 PM
Disappointing first half the other day, second half, much better.  Then the blown call.  :furious


If they can learn to adjust to the other team a little sooner, they might have a chance.

agreed. and man, that call was horrible! :furious

its because no one wants to see the U.S. succeed
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Masherbrum on June 21, 2010, 04:06:32 PM
agreed. and man, that call was horrible! :furious

its because no one wants to see the U.S. succeed

It's because the US Coaches are a joke.    Don't blame FIFA for the USA's ineptness on the field. 
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: DYNAMITE on June 21, 2010, 04:30:37 PM
It's because the US Coaches are a joke.    Don't blame FIFA for the USA's ineptness on the field. 

They hate our freedom!

 ;) :cheers:
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Spikes on June 21, 2010, 04:33:21 PM
It's because the US Coaches are a joke.    Don't blame FIFA for the USA's ineptness on the field. 
You are blaming a blown call on coaches?

I just wish it could have been reviewable...or the ref is forced to state a reason why...
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Masherbrum on June 21, 2010, 04:42:09 PM
You are blaming a blown call on coaches?

I just wish it could have been reviewable...or the ref is forced to state a reason why...

Come on.   I watched the 1st half and on Slovenia's 1st goal, Howard didn't move an inch.   They did sh*t for the 47 minutes of the 1st half.   To gripe about a blown call is pointless.   They f*cked around the 1st half and it bit them in the arse.   Altidore needs to be benched. he is about as useless as a striker can be.   He's absolutely a pain to watch, the ball is either whiffed/missed by him 9 times out of 10.   

The US if they advance, will not last long.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: TinmanX on June 21, 2010, 04:47:42 PM
I'm assuming that by FIFA, you mean the World Cup?
FIFA being the bureaucratic fat boys who control Football (Federation of International Football Associations) and the World Cup being the competition?

It has been said for many years; If the US took an interest in the sport the world plays instead of the sports they don't, they have the potential to dominate. Look how far you've come since USA '94. From perennial whipping boys to the assured and confident team we see today.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Spikes on June 21, 2010, 04:50:04 PM
Hehe I did watch the replay on the first goal and laughed.

I agree their heads are up their arses until they figure out they can't win by looking at the other team. Hopefully it was a wakeup call however. I hate even watching the WC because of those damn vuvuzelas.

I'll always root for my home country but I don't have much hope in them at this point.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Masherbrum on June 21, 2010, 05:06:51 PM
Hehe I did watch the replay on the first goal and laughed.

I agree their heads are up their arses until they figure out they can't win by looking at the other team. Hopefully it was a wakeup call however. I hate even watching the WC because of those damn vuvuzelas.

I'll always root for my home country but I don't have much hope in them at this point.

 :cheers:    Same here on the US thing, but I am a realist and do NOT buy into the "hype" of our Team.   
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: jdbecks on June 21, 2010, 06:01:59 PM
The USA has a fast and athletic team, they just lack the technical ability at the moment imho, however, if football/soccer continues to gain interest in America, you should be serious contenders in the sport as the country is so large, giving you alot more players to choose from, with the help of foreign managers and players.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Masherbrum on June 21, 2010, 06:17:33 PM
The USA has a fast and athletic team, they just lack the technical ability at the moment imho, however, if football/soccer continues to gain interest in America, you should be serious contenders in the sport as the country is so large, giving you alot more players to choose from, with the help of foreign managers and players.

If you cannot pass/dribble...."speed" is pointless.   
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Jayhawk on June 21, 2010, 06:31:26 PM
Masherbrum must have tried out for the soccer team and got rejected.   :neener:
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Wildcat1 on June 21, 2010, 06:36:21 PM
title changed :aok
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Masherbrum on June 21, 2010, 06:44:43 PM
Masherbrum must have tried out for the soccer team and got rejected.   :neener:

No, I'm just not so hung up on "National Pride" that I put blinders on and think they're actually "anything more than an average team".   
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Rino on June 21, 2010, 06:50:48 PM
     It does sound like serious sour grapes ever time this topic comes up K.  As I have said before, I have
never liked FIFA...they refuse to admit mistakes or compromise.

     One thing interesting about the World Cup is that Europe gets 3-4 times as many slots as the rest of the world.
Very curious, hmm?
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: SEraider on June 21, 2010, 06:53:40 PM
I like our chances against Algeria.  That is a team we should beat providing we stop giving up 1st goals.  I think Altidore still has a chance to be a factor in future games (provided we win to advance).  I'd put Dempsey up front with Altidore.

But hey, any team is as good as their last result.  Just look at Germany.  They dominated 1st game and now they suck cause they lost their 2nd game.  As some would say.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: SEraider on June 21, 2010, 06:55:57 PM
    It does sound like serious sour grapes ever time this topic comes up K.  As I have said before, I have
never liked FIFA...they refuse to admit mistakes or compromise.

     One thing interesting about the World Cup is that Europe gets 3-4 times as many slots as the rest of the world.
Very curious, hmm?

That is because European Soccer is a higher bar and better developed than the rest of the world.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: SEraider on June 21, 2010, 07:02:24 PM
Altidore needs to be benched. he is about as useless as a striker can be.   

The US if they advance, will not last long.

Altidore played a crucial part in the 2nd goal by his post presence to bradley.  You don't have to score every game to be a valuable asset to a team.  Just look at Luciano (Brazil), no goals in a few games and scores 2 yesterday. 

I agree they wont last long as long as the defense falls asleep like they do in the beginning of games.  It's been dissapointing because several months ago they were way better than now.  But, they are as good or bad as the last result so we'll see what happens Wednesday. 
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: TinmanX on June 21, 2010, 08:10:55 PM
That is because European Soccer is a higher bar and better developed than the rest of the world.
Also because there are a heck of a lot more football playing countries in Europe than other continents.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: SEraider on June 21, 2010, 09:20:38 PM
Also because there are a heck of a lot more football playing countries in Europe than other continents.

That too...
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Rino on June 21, 2010, 09:25:39 PM
     Yep, you can fit alot of postage stamp size countries in a place the size of Europe  :D
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Raptor on June 21, 2010, 10:10:02 PM
:cheers:    Same here on the US thing, but I am a realist and do NOT buy into the "hype" of our Team.   
In the confederate cup USA beat Germany and was beating Brazil 2-0 but Brazil came back to win 3-2. The US is a better than average team but played below average first half. In the world cup after watching Germany play in the opener round I thought they would be one of the main contenders, however after their loss to serbia I now think that Brazil is one of the few teams to show enough consistency to win the World Cup. While I do not think the US will win it, I do think that when they have the proper mindset they can play competitively with the best.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: 68Wooley on June 21, 2010, 11:10:44 PM
     Yep, you can fit alot of postage stamp size countries in a place the size of Europe  :D

The postage stamp sized countries are doing better than the big ones right now. But seriously, who would you say deserves to be in the World Cup more than - say - Slovenia?
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Hoarach on June 22, 2010, 12:33:32 AM
I think the US will do pretty well depending on if they will beat Algeria and who their next opponents would be.

Cant really count anyone out though in this World Cup, with the Serbia vs Germany the prime example.  Hell even North Korea gave Brazil a run for its money.

When I was London on my 2nd to last day, I was downtown watching the US vs England game and most people, there as much as they wanted US to lose, kept saying watch out for the Americans, its going be real close.  So even the Englanders are aware of the US apparent chances.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Dragon on June 22, 2010, 09:45:35 AM
If you cannot pass/dribble...."speed" is pointless.   


The accuracy of the USA's passing could be rated at piss poor or less.  These guys really need to work on their SA.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: jdbecks on June 22, 2010, 12:12:40 PM
If you cannot pass/dribble...."speed" is pointless.  

hence the part " Technical Ability "  
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: shiv on June 22, 2010, 12:19:55 PM
Come on.   I watched the 1st half and on Slovenia's 1st goal, Howard didn't move an inch.   They did sh*t for the 47 minutes of the 1st half.   To gripe about a blown call is pointless.   They f*cked around the 1st half and it bit them in the arse.   Altidore needs to be benched. he is about as useless as a striker can be.   He's absolutely a pain to watch, the ball is either whiffed/missed by him 9 times out of 10.   

The US if they advance, will not last long.

Howard was out of position on that goal, true, but they're no way Birsa should have had all that space.  It wasn't all Howard's fault, the defense should have closed Birsa down.

And I don't know what you're watching but Altidore is having quite a good World Cup.  He's being played as a classic target forward which means he's getting the ball with his back to goal most of the time, and then he has to either hold it to wait for support for the midfield, or turn his marker, which he's done a few times quite nicely.  

Findley was the problem up top - thankfully he's out for the Algeria game.  Like to see Buddle in there, but I won't complain if they just go with the second half side against Slovenia with Dempsey and Altidore as strike partners.

As others have pointed out the real problem is holding the ball and passing.  Maybe with Feilhaber in there they'll settle down.  Edu on the other hand, goal-non-goal notwithstanding, did not look comfortable out there.  But again I won't complain if they go with the second-half lineup.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: SEraider on June 22, 2010, 01:04:07 PM
Howard was out of position on that goal, true, but they're no way Birsa should have had all that space.  It wasn't all Howard's fault, the defense should have closed Birsa down.

And I don't know what you're watching but Altidore is having quite a good World Cup.  He's being played as a classic target forward which means he's getting the ball with his back to goal most of the time, and then he has to either hold it to wait for support for the midfield, or turn his marker, which he's done a few times quite nicely.  

Findley was the problem up top - thankfully he's out for the Algeria game.  Like to see Buddle in there, but I won't complain if they just go with the second half side against Slovenia with Dempsey and Altidore as strike partners.

As others have pointed out the real problem is holding the ball and passing.  Maybe with Feilhaber in there they'll settle down.  Edu on the other hand, goal-non-goal notwithstanding, did not look comfortable out there.  But again I won't complain if they go with the second-half lineup.


I might be in the minority but I would give Torrez and 2nd chance in center mid for his possession skills.  Maybe he can come off the bench.  If Dempsey moves up front, I like to see Holden in at wing.  IMO
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Masherbrum on June 22, 2010, 01:07:57 PM
Howard was out of position on that goal, true, but they're no way Birsa should have had all that space.  It wasn't all Howard's fault, the defense should have closed Birsa down.

And I don't know what you're watching but Altidore is having quite a good World Cup.  He's being played as a classic target forward which means he's getting the ball with his back to goal most of the time, and then he has to either hold it to wait for support for the midfield, or turn his marker, which he's done a few times quite nicely.  

Findley was the problem up top - thankfully he's out for the Algeria game.  Like to see Buddle in there, but I won't complain if they just go with the second half side against Slovenia with Dempsey and Altidore as strike partners.

As others have pointed out the real problem is holding the ball and passing.  Maybe with Feilhaber in there they'll settle down.  Edu on the other hand, goal-non-goal notwithstanding, did not look comfortable out there.  But again I won't complain if they go with the second-half lineup.

Altidore is overrated and is someone who should not be "inside" up front.   One assist means squat, I'm sorry.   When the ball was kicked to Altidore in that 1st half, he lost the ball.   The identical thing happened to him in the 1st game against England.   Coach Bradley looked like a confused mental case that 1st half against Slovenia.   He should have had those "attacks" made defend-able in the 1st half.   It shouldn't have taken a Halftime speech to light a fire under their tulips to finally play like they gave a damn.  

Howard was NOT out of position, he was where 99.99% of GK's would stand on that Free Kick (middle of the net).   But, he never moved once the ball was kicked.  Sh*t, shuffle your feet, attempt to look like you GAF and dive, if even for naught.   But he stood there like a statue.   I don't have to watch a replay of it, because I remember it.   It was a soft goal and was DEFINITELY save-able.  

Again, they will be eliminated, if they even advance in the first.  
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: shiv on June 22, 2010, 02:44:16 PM
Altidore is overrated and is someone who should not be "inside" up front.   One assist means squat, I'm sorry.   When the ball was kicked to Altidore in that 1st half, he lost the ball.   The identical thing happened to him in the 1st game against England.   Coach Bradley looked like a confused mental case that 1st half against Slovenia.   He should have had those "attacks" made defend-able in the 1st half.   It shouldn't have taken a Halftime speech to light a fire under their tulips to finally play like they gave a damn.  

Howard was NOT out of position, he was where 99.99% of GK's would stand on that Free Kick (middle of the net).   But, he never moved once the ball was kicked.  Sh*t, shuffle your feet, attempt to look like you GAF and dive, if even for naught.   But he stood there like a statue.   I don't have to watch a replay of it, because I remember it.   It was a soft goal and was DEFINITELY save-able.  

Again, they will be eliminated, if they even advance in the first.  

Um, both of Slovenia's goals came in the run of play - there wasn't a set piece involved in either of them.  For the first goal Howard had moved off his line anticipating a through ball.  Birso wasn't closed down and just looped it over Howard's head. 

And Bob Bradley at least has the confidence of the players, which is more than you can say of a few teams at this World Cup.  The problem has been the performance, not the coaching.  Altidore is having a good World Cup, he's gone a long way toward rescuing his reputation after a dismal spell at Hull.  The problem has been the passing and not holding the ball when they should. 

And yes, USA will not win the World Cup.  But they should be competitive and they definitely should get out of the group stage.





Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: shiv on June 22, 2010, 03:22:51 PM
I might be in the minority but I would give Torrez and 2nd chance in center mid for his possession skills.  Maybe he can come off the bench.  If Dempsey moves up front, I like to see Holden in at wing.  IMO

Holden in on the wing is a great idea.  I have to think Torres is done though.  I like him a lot, he just didn't have a good game against Slovenia. 
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Masherbrum on June 22, 2010, 03:27:29 PM
Um, both of Slovenia's goals came in the run of play - there wasn't a set piece involved in either of them.  For the first goal Howard had moved off his line anticipating a through ball.  Birso wasn't closed down and just looped it over Howard's head. 

And Bob Bradley at least has the confidence of the players, which is more than you can say of a few teams at this World Cup.  The problem has been the performance, not the coaching.  Altidore is having a good World Cup, he's gone a long way toward rescuing his reputation after a dismal spell at Hull.  The problem has been the passing and not holding the ball when they should. 

And yes, USA will not win the World Cup.  But they should be competitive and they definitely should get out of the group stage.

Watch this.   The ball NEVER even came close to Howard who only moved up two steps, instead of over.   The ball did NOT "go over his head", it went damn 6 feet to the left of him.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPohqh6n2_Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPohqh6n2_Y)   The US defense scattered on both Slovenian goals and put no pressure on him, BUT Howard should have managed one of them as a save.   

I never said a "set piece" was involved, so please stop implying.    The US gave up two "soft goals" and "rallyed" for a tie, which was the same as a loss.   My point is since that games halftime, the US should have had the game under control.   Disallowed goal whining notwithstanding, the US is not worthy of the 14th Worldwide Ranking they currently have held since May. 

Understand that I'd finally like to see a US team live up to it's "hype", but this "is yet another year of flawed logic".    They are Average and still might not make it out of the first group cut.   
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: shiv on June 22, 2010, 03:55:28 PM
Watch this.   The ball NEVER even came close to Howard who only moved up two steps, instead of over.   The ball did NOT "go over his head", it went damn 6 feet to the left of him.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPohqh6n2_Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPohqh6n2_Y)   The US defense scattered on both Slovenian goals and put no pressure on him, BUT Howard should have managed one of them as a save.   

I never said a "set piece" was involved, so please stop implying.    The US gave up two "soft goals" and "rallyed" for a tie, which was the same as a loss.   My point is since that games halftime, the US should have had the game under control.   Disallowed goal whining notwithstanding, the US is not worthy of the 14th Worldwide Ranking they currently have held since May. 

Understand that I'd finally like to see a US team live up to it's "hype", but this "is yet another year of flawed logic".    They are Average and still might not make it out of the first group cut.   

You said

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Howard was NOT out of position, he was where 99.99% of GK's would stand on that Free Kick (middle of the net).

meaning  God knows what as neither of Slovenia's goal came off a free kick.  And if you look at the clip Howard is off his line but the problem is that Birsa wasn't marked in the first place and wasn't closed down in the second place.

US has been ranked as high as 14th since the 2006 WC actually, although I agree with you that they may not be worthy of it.  Rankings are mainly BS anyway.  Still I wouldn't say they're overhyped - it's just there's a lot of USA fans who'd like to see them go through.  T
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Masherbrum on June 22, 2010, 04:13:06 PM
You said

meaning  God knows what as neither of Slovenia's goal came off a free kick.  And if you look at the clip Howard is off his line but the problem is that Birsa wasn't marked in the first place and wasn't closed down in the second place.

US has been ranked as high as 14th since the 2006 WC actually, although I agree with you that they may not be worthy of it.  Rankings are mainly BS anyway.  Still I wouldn't say they're overhyped - it's just there's a lot of USA fans who'd like to see them go through.  T


I mixed up the games.   No free kick.   I'd like to see them advance, but there's just no way in hell they have the "talent" to continue.   They never should have been down 2-0, because the Coach didn't react fast enough.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Grisbeau on June 22, 2010, 06:39:47 PM
England vs Slovenia.

The BBC have announced that they have decided not to show the game tomorrow. Instead they will be showing the film, ‘Out of Africa’.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Kermit de frog on June 22, 2010, 09:03:13 PM
England vs Slovenia.

The BBC have announced that they have decided not to show the game tomorrow. Instead they will be showing the film, ‘Out of Africa’.



I hear that's a good movie..... :bolt:
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: gpwurzel on June 22, 2010, 10:32:13 PM
Grisbeau, you need to come clean my work desk up - snorted tea out of my nose at that one.

No doubt we can join France in economy for our trip home  :D


Wurzel (still giggling)
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: xbrit on June 22, 2010, 11:34:21 PM
England vs Slovenia.

The BBC have announced that they have decided not to show the game tomorrow. Instead they will be showing the film, ‘Out of Africa’.

I heard it was being shown on GayTV because the BBC couldn't show 11 stunninghunks being pumped for 90 minutes.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Spikes on June 23, 2010, 09:50:09 AM
I am starting to believe that the refs. are bias against the US. That's 2 goals they got jipped from them.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Lusche on June 23, 2010, 09:53:29 AM
I am starting to believe that the refs. are bias against the US. That's 2 goals they got jipped from them.

Naw. There are a lot of crappy descisions & referee performances all across the board at this world cup. It may be the worst WC I have seen so far in this regard.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Spikes on June 23, 2010, 10:15:03 AM
Naw. There are a lot of crappy descisions & referee performances all across the board at this world cup. It may be the worst WC I have seen so far in this regard.
I agree. I don't normally watch the WC, but I despise this officiating crew.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: WMLute on June 23, 2010, 10:52:44 AM
what an ending!

 :aok

wtg USA!
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Kazaa on June 23, 2010, 10:55:03 AM
OMFG. USA scored!
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: kilo2 on June 23, 2010, 10:55:54 AM
Wow what a game.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: SuBWaYCH on June 23, 2010, 11:01:36 AM
Quite possibly the most heroic goal i've ever seen.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: xNOVAx on June 23, 2010, 11:02:10 AM
USA USA USA!!!  :rock
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Spikes on June 23, 2010, 11:02:39 AM
Nice goal. Nice follow up!
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Raptor on June 23, 2010, 11:18:05 AM
oh those two discredited goals would have made this a much smoother ride, but the end result was the same. USA wins Group C! I was so upset at the 90 minute mark, it made the goal all that much sweeter.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: fbWldcat on June 23, 2010, 11:35:52 AM
GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLL LLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 :cheers:

Wtg USA.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Bruv119 on June 23, 2010, 11:38:26 AM
saw the half time highlights and he wasn't offside was level with the defender.

Well deserved qualification!  is it the first time USA has ever got through to the knock out stages?

I will add it was only by goal difference that you finished top but it means one of us will have to take on Germany and I do hope it is us.   :pray.

Uruguay or south korea if either of us win the next match and hello Semi Finals!
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Skulls22 on June 23, 2010, 11:40:54 AM
Anyone who saw todays recent US game knows...
It seems like the US never gives up.  :x
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Raptor on June 23, 2010, 11:44:47 AM
US is number one scoring team after 86 minute mark. I thought that was impressive. First Group Win since 1930, despite 2 goals not counting because of a poor call by refs!
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Raptor on June 23, 2010, 11:46:08 AM
saw the half time highlights and he wasn't offside was level with the defender.

Well deserved qualification!  is it the first time USA has ever got through to the knock out stages?

I will add it was only by goal difference that you finished top but it means one of us will have to take on Germany and I do hope it is us.   :pray.

Uruguay or south korea if either of us win the next match and hello Semi Finals!
I am considering it a win against Slovenia because in my mind that goal counted :aok
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Bruv119 on June 23, 2010, 11:51:09 AM
I am considering it a win against Slovenia because in my mind that goal counted :aok

yea and I'm deducting the freebie goal  ;)
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Wildcat1 on June 23, 2010, 11:54:52 AM
saw the half time highlights and he wasn't offside was level with the defender.

Well deserved qualification!  is it the first time USA has ever got through to the knock out stages?

I will add it was only by goal difference that you finished top but it means one of us will have to take on Germany and I do hope it is us.   :pray.

Uruguay or south korea if either of us win the next match and hello Semi Finals!

4th straight time that we've made it to the knockout stages, but first time since 1930 that we've won the group. what a spectacular goal that was!!!!

and i too hope that you guys play Germany, I think Ghana can be taken down
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Raptor on June 23, 2010, 11:56:15 AM
yea and I'm deducting the freebie goal  ;)
Well Green shouldn't be eating greasy food with his gloves on before a match :D
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: jdbecks on June 23, 2010, 12:12:17 PM
This did make me chuckle,  :lol

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs508.snc3/26676_436497193798_617958798_5695129_6786293_n.jpgp)


Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: 68Wooley on June 23, 2010, 12:34:05 PM
WTG USA - thoroughly deserved.

Unfortunately, the reward for winning the group migh be Germany in the next round - which would suck. And of course, if that happens Capello will claim Englands earlier results were actually down to his tactical genius as he steered his team away from a match up with the Germans. Or maybe not   :D
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: shiv on June 23, 2010, 12:40:08 PM
Holy crap USA.  Glad Engerland went through in the end too.  Shaky there for a while though :)

This is the 4th time the US has reached the knockout stage, but the first was in 1930, where they reached the semis against a small field.  Then in 1994 when the US was host, they went through after a 1-1 draw with Switzerland, and a 2-1 victory over Colombia.  That was the match where the Colombian defender Andres Escobar had an own goal and was later murdered back home in Colombia, some say as a consequence.  Although ESPN has a documentary on this month "The Two Escobars" that link the killing to the Medellin cocaine cartel and Pablo Escobar.

Went through in 2002 in a group with host South Korea, Portugal, and Poland, beating Portugal 3-2 and tying South Korea 1-1.  Then beat hated rival Mexico to reach the quarterfinals where they lost 1-0 to Germany.  In the last minutes the US had a shot blocked by the arm of a defender on the line that was inexplicably not called by the Scottish referee.

Group of death more or less in 2006 with Italy, Czech Republic, and Ghana.    A 1-1 draw against the Italians was the high point.  What I remember from the tournament was Bruce Arena playing McBride as a lone striker all three games and then they'd just boot it down the field to him hoping for a miracle.  Dreadful stuff.

And 2010 now too.  Ian Darke said during the match that if they gave a World Cup for heart and determination the the US deserved it.  That may be true but I just hope they can do a little better finishing from here on.  And no more disallowed goals would be nice too.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: SEraider on June 23, 2010, 12:58:11 PM
It's amazing that when our defense stinks, we score goals.  When we have a clean sheet, it's hard to score.

Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: shiv on June 23, 2010, 01:05:06 PM
It's amazing that when our defense stinks, we score goals.  When we have a clean sheet, it's hard to score.



When you push defenders forward to help the attack then you get caught on the break and get scored on.  And it's also easier to make a mistake when you're running at full speed back to defend than if you never left your own half.  You also have trouble setting an even back line to create the offside trap if you're pushing defenders up.  And today Algeria though they were listed as only 3 in the back were tough to break down, although the US created enough chances to win in the end. 
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: TinmanX on June 23, 2010, 01:36:27 PM


I will add it was only by goal difference that you finished top

Goal difference was equal, it was decided on goals for.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: 68Wooley on June 23, 2010, 01:47:26 PM
...that was inexplicably not called by the Scottish referee.

If its any consolation, the ref in question - Hugh Dallas - is generally hated in Scotland as well.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: shiv on June 23, 2010, 01:59:32 PM
If its any consolation, the ref in question - Hugh Dallas - is generally hated in Scotland as well.

It is!
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Grisbeau on June 23, 2010, 02:01:10 PM
But... as we carry on forward into the depths of the group stages, a mighty sage with the Fellowship of the Ring behind, and the mighty Gandalf at the fore, we will slightly impinge upon all other teams in our paths, watch and believe....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B2LPxggvqY&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Bruv119 on June 23, 2010, 03:30:20 PM
well thats that.

England vs Germany     :x
USA vs  Ghana
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: 68Wooley on June 23, 2010, 03:34:52 PM
If England get past Germany (grudge match), most likely they'll be up against Argentina (even bigger grudge match).

The penalty for being cr@p two games in a row is a really tough knock-out section.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: kilo2 on June 23, 2010, 03:38:57 PM
Oh England v. Argentina would be a good one to watch.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Bruv119 on June 23, 2010, 03:39:42 PM
If England get past Germany (grudge match), most likely they'll be up against Argentina (even bigger grudge match).

The penalty for being cr@p two games in a row is a really tough knock-out section.

fark lets get them all out of the closet bring on the Germans and the Argies at once!!   :D

Maradona  deserves some Karma!
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Babalonian on June 23, 2010, 03:50:26 PM
I can't express how glad I am I woke up today and turned on the WC to watch the game while getting ready for work.  It was almost enough to make me want to call in sick and join the loud and roudy crowd you could hear at the pub behind me... alas, I opted to work today and buy 6 beers tonight rather than call in sick and afford to buy only one in the morning.

saw the half time highlights and he wasn't offside was level with the defender.

Well deserved qualification!  is it the first time USA has ever got through to the knock out stages?


First time in 80 years....

USA  USA  USA!!!

Best WC game I've seen in a long time.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: RTHolmes on June 23, 2010, 04:08:37 PM
This did make me chuckle,  :lol

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs508.snc3/26676_436497193798_617958798_5695129_6786293_n.jpgp)

 :rofl
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: gpwurzel on June 23, 2010, 04:20:40 PM
Made me chuckle too JD, tho I will admit it took me a minute to figure out exactly what was wrong  :D


Wurzel
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Raptor on June 23, 2010, 04:25:06 PM
But... as we carry on forward into the depths of the group stages, a mighty sage with the Fellowship of the Ring behind, and the mighty Gandalf at the fore, we will slightly impinge upon all other teams in our paths, watch and believe....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B2LPxggvqY&feature=player_embedded
Thank you for that!
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: SEraider on June 23, 2010, 04:31:30 PM
fark lets get them all out of the closet bring on the Germans and the Argies at once!!   :D

Maradona  deserves some Karma!

No Beckham, no problem for Argentina.

Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: TinmanX on June 23, 2010, 04:54:11 PM
I'm a little terrified by the prospect of facing Germany so early not least because of the youthfull aspect of their team but also because their league (Bundesleague) exclusively used the Jubulani ball for the last half of their football season (apparently it was offered to the Prem but their existing contract with Nike prevented it's use.)

When looking at Germany I'm reminded of that classic Hansen quote regarding the double winning Man Ure team; "You'll never win anything with kids".
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: dedalos on June 24, 2010, 08:58:27 AM
US is number one scoring team after 86 minute mark. I thought that was impressive. First Group Win since 1930, despite 2 goals not counting because of a poor call by refs!

That's funny lol.  Who is the number one after the 85th minute?   :rofl 

"The tallest building east of the Mississippi, north Tennessee, west of <insert unknown town>, build before 1970, after 1945 with a wooden roof, on a residential street, and never painted green"  :lol  Always some stat to be on top  :rofl :rofl :rofl

Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: SEraider on June 24, 2010, 01:49:15 PM
That's funny lol.  Who is the number one after the 85th minute?   :rofl 

"The tallest building east of the Mississippi, north Tennessee, west of <insert unknown town>, build before 1970, after 1945 with a wooden roof, on a residential street, and never painted green"  :lol  Always some stat to be on top  :rofl :rofl :rofl



Are the US #1 for goals allowed in the 1st 10 minutes of play?? 

American pride baby!!!  :banana:
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: dedalos on June 24, 2010, 03:30:05 PM
Are the US #1 for goals allowed in the 1st 10 minutes of play?? 

American pride baby!!!  :banana:

When playing south of the equator, west of France, on a cloudy day and the other team is wearing dark uniforms?  You need to qualify it  :lol
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: 2bighorn on June 24, 2010, 03:30:41 PM
Young man, there's no need to feel down.
I said, young man, pick yourself off the ground.
I said, young man, 'cause you're in a new town
There's no need to be unhappy.

Young man, there's a place you can go.
I said, young man, when you're short on your dough.
You can stay there, and I'm sure you will find
Many ways to have a good time.

It's fun to stay at the y-m-c-a.
It's fun to stay at the y-m-c-a.

They have everything for you men to enjoy,
You can hang out with all the boys ...

It's fun to stay at the y-m-c-a.
It's fun to stay at the y-m-c-a.

You can get yourself clean, you can have a good meal,
You can do what about you feel ...

Young man, are you listening to me?
I said, young man, what do you want to be?
I said, young man, you can make real your dreams.
But you got to know this one thing!

No man does it all by himself.
I said, young man, put your pride on the shelf,
And just go there, to the y.m.c.a.
I'm sure they can help you today.

It's fun to stay at the y-m-c-a.
It's fun to stay at the y-m-c-a.

They have everything for you men to enjoy,
You can hang out with all the boys ...

It's fun to stay at the y-m-c-a.
It's fun to stay at the y-m-c-a.

You can get yourself clean, you can have a good meal,
You can do what about you feel ...

Young man, I was once in your shoes.
I said, I was down and out with the blues.
I felt no man cared if I were alive.
I felt the whole world was so tight ...

That's when someone came up to me,
And said, young man, take a walk up the street.
There's a place there called the y.m.c.a.
They can start you back on your way.

It's fun to stay at the y-m-c-a.
It's fun to stay at the y-m-c-a.

They have everything for you men to enjoy,
You can hang out with all the boys ...

Y-m-c-a ... you'll find it at the y-m-c-a.

Young man, young man, there's no need to feel down.
Young man, young man, get yourself off the ground.

Y-m-c-a ... you'll find it at the y-m-c-a.

Young man, young man, there's no need to feel down.
Young man, young man, get yourself off the ground.

Y-m-c-a ... just go to the y-m-c-a.

Young man, young man, are you listening to me?
Young man, young man, what do you wanna be?
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: dedalos on June 24, 2010, 03:42:30 PM
Young man, there's no need to feel down.
I said, young man, pick yourself off the ground.
I said, young man, 'cause you're in a new town
There's no need to be unhappy.

Young man, there's a place you can go.
I said, young man, when you're short on your dough.
You can stay there, and I'm sure you will find
Many ways to have a good time.

It's fun to stay at the y-m-c-a.
It's fun to stay at the y-m-c-a.

They have everything for you men to enjoy,
You can hang out with all the boys ...

It's fun to stay at the y-m-c-a.
It's fun to stay at the y-m-c-a.

You can get yourself clean, you can have a good meal,
You can do what about you feel ...

Young man, are you listening to me?
I said, young man, what do you want to be?
I said, young man, you can make real your dreams.
But you got to know this one thing!

No man does it all by himself.
I said, young man, put your pride on the shelf,
And just go there, to the y.m.c.a.
I'm sure they can help you today.

It's fun to stay at the y-m-c-a.
It's fun to stay at the y-m-c-a.

They have everything for you men to enjoy,
You can hang out with all the boys ...

It's fun to stay at the y-m-c-a.
It's fun to stay at the y-m-c-a.

You can get yourself clean, you can have a good meal,
You can do what about you feel ...

Young man, I was once in your shoes.
I said, I was down and out with the blues.
I felt no man cared if I were alive.
I felt the whole world was so tight ...

That's when someone came up to me,
And said, young man, take a walk up the street.
There's a place there called the y.m.c.a.
They can start you back on your way.

It's fun to stay at the y-m-c-a.
It's fun to stay at the y-m-c-a.

They have everything for you men to enjoy,
You can hang out with all the boys ...

Y-m-c-a ... you'll find it at the y-m-c-a.

Young man, young man, there's no need to feel down.
Young man, young man, get yourself off the ground.

Y-m-c-a ... you'll find it at the y-m-c-a.

Young man, young man, there's no need to feel down.
Young man, young man, get yourself off the ground.

Y-m-c-a ... just go to the y-m-c-a.

Young man, young man, are you listening to me?
Young man, young man, what do you wanna be?

Sad part is that I know you wrote this from personal memories  :D
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: 2bighorn on June 24, 2010, 03:48:44 PM
Sad part is that I know you wrote this from personal memories  :D

It was dedicated to all you soccer fans (thx for quoting it in its entirety).  :angel:


bonus:

Toughest soccer fights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43hp8YrfDec

compare with that other girly sport: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2W3Qm1YTFc

 :O
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: whipster22 on June 24, 2010, 04:03:13 PM
It was dedicated to all you soccer fans (thx for quoting it in its entirety).  :angel:


bonus:

Toughest soccer fights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43hp8YrfDec

compare with that other girly sport: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2W3Qm1YTFc

 :O
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Lusche on June 24, 2010, 04:09:50 PM
Toughest soccer fights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43hp8YrfDec


 :rofl :aok
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: dedalos on June 24, 2010, 04:15:54 PM
It was dedicated to all you soccer fans (thx for quoting it in its entirety).  :angel:


bonus:

Toughest soccer fights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43hp8YrfDec

compare with that other girly sport: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2W3Qm1YTFc

 :O

Love it or leave it bioch lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV0r8wPu4Ko

Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: SEraider on June 24, 2010, 04:55:51 PM
It was dedicated to all you soccer fans (thx for quoting it in its entirety).  :angel:


bonus:

Toughest soccer fights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43hp8YrfDec



 :rofl  :rofl  :rofl  :rofl

Just look at it as Hockey on grass.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: SEraider on June 24, 2010, 04:58:25 PM
Love it or leave it bioch lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV0r8wPu4Ko



 :rofl  :rofl  :rofl

Reminds me of Bighorns 'graceful' ACM's......  :neener:
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: 68Wooley on June 24, 2010, 05:21:13 PM
Not all soccer players are rutabagas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-WmfTIRUWY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-WmfTIRUWY)

"Everybody was Kung-Fu Fighting"
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: 2bighorn on June 24, 2010, 05:34:53 PM
Not all soccer players are rutabagas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-WmfTIRUWY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-WmfTIRUWY)

"Everybody was Kung-Fu Fighting"

LOL sorry Wooley, but even peewees are scarier than that
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2_SwFaagTY
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: TinmanX on June 24, 2010, 07:13:41 PM
It's not about how tough your chosen sport is, obviously, any sport that involves spandex and shoulder pads is going to appeal to a certain cross section of society, your version of football just isn't my cup of tea though.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: RTHolmes on June 24, 2010, 08:39:19 PM
^  :lol
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Rash on June 24, 2010, 08:40:42 PM
Tin, have you ever tried playing our version?  Although, like most sports, it's more exciting if you're an actual participant.  
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: DYNAMITE on June 24, 2010, 09:37:07 PM
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y70/BigTon/merica_donovan0.jpg)
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: fbWldcat on June 24, 2010, 09:38:26 PM
Tin, have you ever tried playing our version?  Although, like most sports, it's more exciting if you're an actual participant.  

With fewer greusome injuries... unless you are Joe Theisman...

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y70/BigTon/merica_donovan0.jpg)

 :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: 2bighorn on June 24, 2010, 09:41:30 PM
It's not about how tough your chosen sport is, obviously, any sport that involves spandex and shoulder pads is going to appeal to a certain cross section of society, your version of football just isn't my cup of tea though.

 :rofl

ICE HOCKEY, it was about ICE HOCKEY





Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: dedalos on June 25, 2010, 08:24:52 AM
:rofl

ICE HOCKEY, it was about ICE HOCKEY







Ice hockey.  Here is some history on how the game (or fight) was invented.  The good looking gay people make it to figure scatting.  Well, the ugly gay people had to have a sport and therefore, we have ice hockey.  Bahahahahahahahahaha  :rofl
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Dragon on June 25, 2010, 09:30:58 AM
Ice hockey.  Here is some history on how the game (or fight) was invented.  The good looking gay people make it to figure scatting.  Well, the ugly gay people had to have a sport and therefore, we have ice hockey.  Bahahahahahahahahaha  :rofl


That is just soooooooo wrong.

 :rofl
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: BoilerDown on June 25, 2010, 11:27:27 AM
Back on topic, this video is epic and brings me to tears IRL:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbn3rOPmR9w
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Dragon on June 25, 2010, 11:40:06 AM
Back on topic, this video is epic and brings me to tears IRL:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbn3rOPmR9w



 :aok :aok



"Some dude in Arkansas"   :rofl
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: dedalos on June 25, 2010, 11:44:41 AM

That is just soooooooo wrong.

 :rofl

Yep, the wrong-est post ever made south of Chicago, north of Huston, west of the old tree, on a partly cloudy day, wearing sandals.

Do I win something? lol
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: WMLute on June 25, 2010, 03:46:09 PM
(SOMEBODY is just bitter that Greece is out...)
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Babalonian on June 25, 2010, 05:07:38 PM
(SOMEBODY is just bitter that Greece is out...)

Greece, who the hell are they?  Did they even make it to South Africa this year?  :noid   :devil
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: druski85 on June 25, 2010, 05:27:09 PM
Back on topic, this video is epic and brings me to tears IRL:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbn3rOPmR9w


Not quite sure I'd call it the world's reaction (one in Lyon, one in Durban, both filled with ex-pats.   :lol ) 

Either way, that's a good vid.  I'm a little sad no where in DC was represented.  This town went NUTS for both that game and the England match. 
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: greens on June 26, 2010, 03:45:12 AM
I cannot wait for the game against GHANA. guna be a good one.  :pray USA we can do it!!!  ;)
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Bruv119 on June 26, 2010, 04:57:06 AM
i'll be cheering for you guys.   :aok
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Kazaa on June 26, 2010, 07:27:50 AM
Part of me wants USA to win the world cup because it would be such an epic story to tell your kids when they grow up.

God help us all if they do, the rest of the world would not live this one down. :lol
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Gh0stFT on June 26, 2010, 12:44:39 PM
Lets go for it USA!, we beat Ghana you can do it too!
lets hope for a fantastic match!
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: oakranger on June 26, 2010, 12:54:21 PM
i give them a 1 point win.  GO USA!
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Bruv119 on June 26, 2010, 12:56:42 PM
i give them a 1 point win.  GO USA!

you mean GOAL !   :aok

hopefully it is a 3-3 draw, goes into extra time, then penalties and USA win them With Howard making some crucial stops.  That should be exciting enough for you guys.  ;)

i'll also add if you win you play Uruguay who will be one of the weakest sides left in the competition.  You beat them then your in the Semi final vs Brazil.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Bruv119 on June 26, 2010, 01:36:37 PM
and the ex- portsmouth player sticks it in the net  0-1,    all to do!
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Baggy on June 26, 2010, 01:42:14 PM
If the US win this I'll give up my beloved bitter and start drinking lager! Whats the best US beer?  :)
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Kev367th on June 26, 2010, 02:00:28 PM
If the US win this I'll give up my beloved bitter and start drinking lager! Whats the best US beer?  :)

Water, it's stronger  :lol
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: jdbecks on June 26, 2010, 02:07:40 PM
Water, it's stronger  :lol


 :rofl
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Bruv119 on June 26, 2010, 02:49:33 PM
PENALTY!!   :x


USA score!!!    1-1   game on  :D
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Kev367th on June 26, 2010, 02:51:31 PM
PENALTY!!   :x


USA score!!!    1-1   game on  :D

Well deserved, they are worth being level.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: texastc316 on June 26, 2010, 02:52:40 PM
I ma nervous wreck, that goal helped a little
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Bruv119 on June 26, 2010, 03:00:23 PM
Well deserved, they are worth being level.

indeed this 2nd half has all been one way USA traffic.  Just need that little bit of quality in the final 3rd.

Ghanian player lucky to still be on the pitch if he was the last man.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Bruv119 on June 26, 2010, 03:05:04 PM
managers son or not I would have buried that last chance with my left foot!
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: fbWldcat on June 26, 2010, 03:25:34 PM
Water, it's stronger  :lol

That is why God invented Kentucky Bourbon and Tennessee Whiskey Maker's Mark or Jack Daniels Anyone?  :aok  :x

USA!!
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: texastc316 on June 26, 2010, 03:29:12 PM
Ouch that one hurts. 2-1
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Kazaa on June 26, 2010, 04:02:37 PM
Full time, maybe next ime.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: fbWldcat on June 26, 2010, 04:05:39 PM
Well... It was a good run, gents. Defense was too relaxed at the beginning of extra time. Better luck some other time, guys <S>.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Bruv119 on June 26, 2010, 04:21:22 PM
I think overall the USA had the majority of the play but they couldn't convert it into goals.

Lack of concentration and failure to make a tackle led up to Ghana scoring.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: texastc316 on June 26, 2010, 04:33:26 PM
I really enjoyed watching the US in the WC, Ive enjoyed several other games too. I think Im gonna pick me out a Premier or Champions League team to latch onto and watch. Its easier to enjoy when I have a dog in the fight. Any suggestions Brits? I like a good underdog with a fighting chance, dont like rooting for the favorite, unless theres cash involved.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Maniac on June 26, 2010, 05:18:14 PM
I really enjoyed watching the US in the WC, Ive enjoyed several other games too. I think Im gonna pick me out a Premier or Champions League team to latch onto and watch. Its easier to enjoy when I have a dog in the fight. Any suggestions Brits? I like a good underdog with a fighting chance, dont like rooting for the favorite, unless theres cash involved.

Only brit teams?
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: MiloMorai on June 26, 2010, 05:18:53 PM
These are the teams for this coming season, with last season finish:

Chelsea, 1st
Manchester United, 2nd
Arsenala, 3rd
Tottenham Hotspur, 4th
Manchester City, 5th
Aston Villa, 6th
Liverpool, 7th
Everton, 8th   
Birmingham City, 9th
Blackburn Rovers, 10th
Stoke City, 11th
Fulham, 12th    
Sunderland, 13th    
Bolton Wanderers, 14th
Wolverhampton Wanderers, 15th
Wigan Athletic, 16th
West Ham United, 17th

These were promoted:

Blackpool
Newcastle United
West Bromwich Albion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_League

A click on the team name and you will find their colours.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: kilo2 on June 26, 2010, 05:35:00 PM
Man U :aok

2nd favorite would be fulham
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Maniac on June 26, 2010, 05:39:11 PM
I would pick one of these.

Man United - England
Juventus - Italy
Barcelona - Spain
Ajax - Holland

Im not a crazy soccer fan though, only watch the world championships, european championships, and the occassional championship league game.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: texastc316 on June 26, 2010, 05:49:06 PM
Chelsea's out, local sports team owner here also is part owner there, he's losing his arse and sraggin our baseball and hockey team with him. Ill check em out, The reason for those 2 leagues is that those will be televised here from what I've heard so I can watch them.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: SEraider on June 26, 2010, 06:29:26 PM
Hopefully now USA can put some capital into youth development and schools for the club level so kids 12+ can be discovered and be professionals early on.  We need to close the gap at the youth level and turn out world class players before the age of 20.  Between the ages of 8-12, these kids have to be identified. 

By then I hope that the MLS (get rid of that name) can pay these players a decent salary to keep youth interested in the sport. 

Man I wish i had $500 million laying around.....
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Post by: RTHolmes on June 26, 2010, 07:30:37 PM
follow Man City - you'll get respect from most real footy fans :aok
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Post by: TinmanX on June 26, 2010, 07:33:55 PM
West Ham will break you heart weekly and yet you'll stand by them through thin and thin while the bigger clubs pick and pick at the English talent they discover and nurture.

Look at the England squad for this World Cup;
Green (West Ham)
James  (Ex West Ham)
Terry  (Ex West Ham yth)
Upson (West Ham)
Johnson  (Ex West Ham yth)
Carrick (Ex West Ham yth)
J Cole  (Ex West Ham yth)
Lampard  (Ex West Ham yth)
Defoe  (Ex West Ham yth)

Which means a quarter of the current England side were products of the WHUFC Acadamy.

And if that doesn't convince you, Kate Perry should;
(http://s11.bdbphotos.com/images/orig/z/l/zl99kgel6grbk9ez.jpg)
She kissed a girl and she LIKED it!
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: RTHolmes on June 26, 2010, 07:36:11 PM
West Ham will break you heart weekly and yet you'll stand by them through thin and thin

there ya go - a real fan. you cant know pleasure without the pain. :aok
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Reschke on June 26, 2010, 08:36:33 PM
Hopefully now USA can put some capital into youth development and schools for the club level so kids 12+ can be discovered and be professionals early on.  We need to close the gap at the youth level and turn out world class players before the age of 20.  Between the ages of 8-12, these kids have to be identified.

First off I hate soccer with a passion...well not really the sport but the people associated with it and the attitude you get when you say you don't like it. With that said I gotta step in here from a rules side in having been working with the state of Alabama in getting a sport recognized (lacrosse) to be played at the high school level.

From what I know FIFA does not allow government to run the teams that go to the World Cup. As for the US putting "some capital into youth development and schools for the club level" I do know that in many states; if not all state high school athletic associations; do not allow more than a few kids from each high school and middle/junior high to play on the same club teams outside of the regular season.

Locally kids aren't playing soccer when they get past 6th grade...they are going back to playing other sports like baseball, lacrosse, football, basketball because the soccer queens are burning these kids out with travel tournaments all over the US before they even get old enough to be "discovered".

The other reason for this is they don't want inappropriate funding and other such things happening because then that will cause these players to not be allowed to move on to the collegiate level. AND the local schools could get fined up into the hundreds of thousands of dollars. This recently happened to several high schools for baseball and basketball around the USA. Simply because of AAU basketball and travel baseball teams playing entire high school teams year round.
 
By then I hope that the MLS (get rid of that name) can pay these players a decent salary to keep youth interested in the sport. 

Man I wish i had $500 million laying around.....

Yeah if I had $500 million laying around I damn sure wouldn't waste it on some dipdunk soccer queen.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: SEraider on June 27, 2010, 01:05:10 AM
First off I hate soccer with a passion...well not really the sport but the people associated with it and the attitude you get when you say you don't like it. With that said I gotta step in here from a rules side in having been working with the state of Alabama in getting a sport recognized (lacrosse) to be played at the high school level.

From what I know FIFA does not allow government to run the teams that go to the World Cup. As for the US putting "some capital into youth development and schools for the club level" I do know that in many states; if not all state high school athletic associations; do not allow more than a few kids from each high school and middle/junior high to play on the same club teams outside of the regular season.

Locally kids aren't playing soccer when they get past 6th grade...they are going back to playing other sports like baseball, lacrosse, football, basketball because the soccer queens are burning these kids out with travel tournaments all over the US before they even get old enough to be "discovered".

The other reason for this is they don't want inappropriate funding and other such things happening because then that will cause these players to not be allowed to move on to the collegiate level. AND the local schools could get fined up into the hundreds of thousands of dollars. This recently happened to several high schools for baseball and basketball around the USA. Simply because of AAU basketball and travel baseball teams playing entire high school teams year round.
 
Yeah if I had $500 million laying around I damn sure wouldn't waste it on some dipdunk soccer queen.

I am not talking about funding public schools for soccer.  I am talking about soccer schools inside a professional club of soccer, ie DC united and Galaxy ect...  The whole idea of the school, which by the way is the norm in developed leagues (Italy, England, Brazil, ect...) is not just the physical side of it but the tactical and strategic side of the game of "how it should" be played.  It is no different that professional baseball team who happen to have their own junior professional leagues from ages 16+ to bridge them from youth to pro levels (AAA, AA, A, big leagues).  Fact is, the University/college system of advancing sports does not work like basketball, hockey and football.  From the ages of 17-21, the prospect at the European leagues when they step on the pitch are already well versed on field tactics, as well as physical skill.

American soccer players for the large part have the physical gifts but lag behind the tactical side by an average of 5-7 years because of the university system.

I do agree with you about the travel burnouts though.  In fact, the youth academies have changed that part to less match play and travel to focus on more skill training and classroom instruction.

But I'd be careful on calling the sport of soccer a dipdunk queen sport.  Lacrosse seems a bit silly to me in comparison to soccer and certainly is not remotely close in viability as a professional sportm ie corporate sponsors.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: RTHolmes on June 27, 2010, 02:45:53 AM
Academies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_academy) are a great idea, my own club was one of the first to set one up and currently has about 200 kids on the books. theres usually a few of our academy players in the first team, including our captain. best thing is you dont have to pay another club to sign em up :aok
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: fudgums on June 27, 2010, 06:07:19 AM
Soccer will never catch on in the US. Hardly anyone knew we had a soccer team in the world cup...
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Post by: RTHolmes on June 27, 2010, 06:24:02 AM
thats strange because a Pew Research poll found after the USA/England game 11% of americans were "following the world cup closely", and ESPN got over 6 million watching USA Algeria on cable and over a million online, a game which started at 7-10am. I imagine the figures will have been even higher when USA reached the final 16 ...
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: fudgums on June 27, 2010, 06:37:56 AM
thats strange because a Pew Research poll found after the USA/England game 11% of americans were "following the world cup closely", and ESPN got over 6 million watching USA Algeria on cable and over a million online, a game which started at 7-10am. I imagine the figures will have been even higher when USA reached the final 16 ...

Not my point, I followed my countries team to see how they did. Only 7 million people watched the world cup game, what about the other 300 million people?
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Post by: RTHolmes on June 27, 2010, 07:25:49 AM
that was just ESPN, ABC and Univision reported 17m for USA England, pretty healthy I'd say.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: SEraider on June 27, 2010, 11:05:45 AM
Full time, maybe next ime.

Full time, maybe next time.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Wildcat1 on June 27, 2010, 12:44:05 PM
oh well, it was a good run.......

next time, hopefully
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Reschke on June 27, 2010, 03:54:53 PM
that was just ESPN, ABC and Univision reported 17m for USA England, pretty healthy I'd say.

ESPN and ABC are the same in the sports television market due to ownership and Univision who knows who owns them but I wouldn't be at all surprised if they are partnering with ABC/ESPN.

I can only think of about 4 friends who were soccer queens in school who were watching or keeping up with the World Cup. My son was interested only enough to check the score for the US team games.

I didn't call soccer a dipdunk queen sport...I said I "sure wouldn't waste it on some dipdunk soccer queen."
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: SEraider on June 27, 2010, 04:31:55 PM
Not my point, I followed my countries team to see how they did. Only 7 million people watched the world cup game, what about the other 300 million people?

Incorrect point of view.  This game is followed nearly double of what it was 10 years ago.  The soccer league here is averaging 16,000 per match and growing. 

In fairness, not too many nations have 300 million people.  so you can't use that as your premise, especially when there are football, basketball, hockey and baseball in the mix.  Give it 10 more years and this figure will grow again.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: SEraider on June 27, 2010, 04:32:34 PM
Academies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_academy) are a great idea, my own club was one of the first to set one up and currently has about 200 kids on the books. theres usually a few of our academy players in the first team, including our captain. best thing is you dont have to pay another club to sign em up :aok

May I ask what club?
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: RTHolmes on June 27, 2010, 05:15:27 PM
Bristol City, championship side :)
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: TinmanX on June 27, 2010, 06:30:24 PM
Bristol City, championship side :)
Bristol City, rhyming slang  :aok
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: dedalos on June 28, 2010, 08:41:04 AM
(SOMEBODY is just bitter that Greece is out...)

lol, the difference between US and Greece was that we did not play a team with a British goal keeper  :P

Ohh, and no crying at the end of the game  :O
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Post by: 68Wooley on June 28, 2010, 11:06:06 AM
lol, the difference between US and Greece was that we did not play a team with a British goal keeper  :P

Ohh, and no crying at the end of the game  :O

Correction - did not play a team with an English keeper. Had it been a British team, Craig Gordon would have been in goal.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: BoilerDown on June 28, 2010, 12:01:12 PM
Was I entertained watching the US in the World Cup?  Yes
Will I watch any other matches in the World Cup now that the US is out?  Yes
Am I more likely to watch or attend soccer games in the future?  Again, Yes.

Say what you will, soccer, with me, is on the rise.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: dedalos on June 28, 2010, 03:30:05 PM
Correction - did not play a team with an English keeper. Had it been a British team, Craig Gordon would have been in goal.

My bad.  wait . . . . is there a difference?  :bolt:
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: Bruv119 on June 28, 2010, 03:45:43 PM
My bad.  wait . . . . is there a difference?  :bolt:

are you mexican or american? 
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: SEraider on June 28, 2010, 04:48:23 PM
are you mexican or american? 

Ah, this ought to be good.  :joystick:
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: dedalos on June 29, 2010, 08:28:55 AM
are you mexican or american?  

Pick one, they can both take a joke.  You mean Central American or North American?  :rofl

PS. look at the name
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: fbWldcat on June 29, 2010, 09:18:09 AM
Pick one, they can both take a joke.  You mean Central American or North American?  :rofl

PS. look at the name

¿Lo qué?

Oh I hope Skuzz goes easy on that. No rules please!  :D
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: dedalos on June 29, 2010, 09:30:17 AM
¿Lo qué?

Oh I hope Skuzz goes easy on that. No rules please!  :D

Lol, why?  No one said anything bad.  Yet  :lol
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: fbWldcat on June 29, 2010, 09:32:26 AM
See rule #12

Is what I'm worried about. Lol, even though it just means "what?" in Español. :)
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: dedalos on June 29, 2010, 10:00:01 AM
See rule #12

Is what I'm worried about. Lol, even though it just means "what?" in Español. :)

Ahh, its ok.  I pressed #1 for English first  :neener:
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Post by: fbWldcat on June 29, 2010, 10:00:53 AM
Ahh, its ok.  I pressed #1 for English first  :neener:


 :lol Nice.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: SEraider on July 01, 2010, 06:51:26 PM
Ahh, its ok.  I pressed #1 for English first  :neener:

At most companies now it's: Para Espanol, oprime #1, and English as #2. 

Woot.
Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: fbWldcat on July 02, 2010, 09:27:40 AM
At most companies now it's: Para Espanol, oprime #1, and English as #2. 

Woot.
¿Por qué!?   (Why!?)

¡Ésto es blasfemia! (This is blasphemy!)

Title: Re: America at the World Cup?
Post by: SEraider on July 02, 2010, 01:01:58 PM

¡Ésto es blasfemia! (This is blasphemy!)



Yeah I know, spanish speakers want English out of America.