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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: jolly22 on June 28, 2010, 10:41:12 AM
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OK, first of all I'd like to say that I'm not questioning madcap71's skill, he is just currently the number 1 player on aces high , and im using him as an example.
I think that the scoring system currently used is just not fair. Some people play for hours in a day and rack up thousands of sorties a month, but some other people, like madcap71, don't have much time to play and only rack up about 150 sorties, and he stills get the number one rank in aces high. Does this really seem fair to you? I don't think it's fair when people put in hundreds of hours and still don't get a better score than people who play for only a few hours a week.
I do think that the more time you play on the game, the better score you should get. Another option is that if you play more than say....12 hours on the game a month, you then may be ranked. This just gives people that are higher ranks to become more competitive in the top shots of the game.
Any feedback, comments or concerns are welcomed.
<<S>> Jolly
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It's only "unfair" if you're not looking at all the stats involved and you're really worried about points. You could log a thousand hours, but if all you do is get shot down you're not accomplishing much unless you want recognition for that too.
There are no rewards, you don't get a cookie, a merit badge, or a gift certificate to toys r us. It's just numbers that don't mean anything to people who don't measure their manhood by AH stats.
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i understand, but take my gv score for example. kill per death and sortie are both above 1 and i have 2 base takes, and im still ranked 400ish.... i dont se ehow thats fair.
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there's a scoring system?
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The only rank that's reflective of skill is fighter, the rest are simply filling in the blanks. Lotta guys who strive for rank cherry-pick fighter-scored- runs, when they see a good possibility of high-kills/low risk, and fly 90% of the rest as attack. I would reckon the case in example as a pretty good stick in any scenario
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The only rank that's reflective of skill is fighter, the rest are simply filling in the blanks. Lotta guys who strive for rank cherry-pick fighter-scored- runs, when they see a good possibility of high-kills/low risk, and fly 90% of the rest as attack.
The second sentence seems to contradict the first.
Back to the OP:
Any scoring system will be gamed. Flying 90% in attack mode, pre-dawn milk running, barraging a town with rockets and dozens of other little tricks can be used to up one's score. Within 24 hours of a scoring change, someone will find a way to game it.
The present system is as good as anything that might replace it.
:salute JR.
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OK, first of all I'd like to say that I'm not questioning madcap71's skill, he is just currently the number 1 player on aces high , and im using him as an example.
I think that the scoring system currently used is just not fair. Some people play for hours in a day and rack up thousands of sorties a month, but some other people, like madcap71, don't have much time to play and only rack up about 150 sorties, and he stills get the number one rank in aces high. Does this really seem fair to you? I don't think it's fair when people put in hundreds of hours and still don't get a better score than people who play for only a few hours a week.
I do think that the more time you play on the game, the better score you should get. Another option is that if you play more than say....12 hours on the game a month, you then may be ranked. This just gives people that are higher ranks to become more competitive in the top shots of the game.
Any feedback, comments or concerns are welcomed.
<<S>> Jolly
You could at least understand how the scoring system works before you claim it is not fair and asking for a new one.
Damage points and kill points reward flying more.
All things binging = the pilot who flies more will be ranked higher.
HiTech
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See Rule #4
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I don't think it's fair when people put in hundreds of hours and still don't get a better score than people who play for only a few hours a week.
If so, the player with se "hundreds of hours" is playing it the wrong way (in regards to score only!) - or is simply not good enough
I do think that the more time you play on the game, the better score you should get.
You do - see Hitechs answer
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Ack-ack, before accusing a player of padding the score, you might do well to check that players stats first. If it holds true, we clear all kills for that player and the scores as well.
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You could at least understand how the scoring system works before you claim it is not fair and asking for a new one.
Damage points and kill points reward flying more.
All things binging = the pilot who flies more will be ranked higher.
HiTech
I don't see how that reflects madcaps, 17 fighter sorties though. Does it mean he has spectacular aim and hardly misses?
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I don't see how that reflects madcaps,
It does, because he is only #32 in fighters. His fighter rank is dragged down because he is only #485 in fighter kill points score. If he could hold his K/D, K/S, K/H level while flying hundreds of sorties, he would be in the top three or so.
The current top ranked fighter guy (Grizz) has 204 sorties, 800+kills and is #7 in fighter kill points score.
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It's only "unfair" if you're not looking at all the stats involved and you're really worried about points. You could log a thousand hours, but if all you do is get shot down you're not accomplishing much unless you want recognition for that too.
There are no rewards, you don't get a cookie, a merit badge, or a gift certificate to toys r us. It's just numbers that don't mean anything to people who don't measure their manhood by AH stats.
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OK, first of all I'd like to say that I'm not questioning madcap71's skill, he is just currently the number 1 player on aces high , and im using him as an example.
I think that the scoring system currently used is just not fair. Some people play for hours in a day and rack up thousands of sorties a month, but some other people, like madcap71, don't have much time to play and only rack up about 150 sorties, and he stills get the number one rank in aces high. Does this really seem fair to you? I don't think it's fair when people put in hundreds of hours and still don't get a better score than people who play for only a few hours a week.
I do think that the more time you play on the game, the better score you should get. Another option is that if you play more than say....12 hours on the game a month, you then may be ranked. This just gives people that are higher ranks to become more competitive in the top shots of the game.
Any feedback, comments or concerns are welcomed.
<<S>> Jolly
scoring is subjective and has nothing to do with skills. Heck, if i game the game i too can be rank high up there.
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scoring is subjective and has nothing to do with skills.
I agree with first half but not with second.
Not that I'm saying you are the "best" if you are near the top (I'm living proof it ain't so)... but you can't get to the top if you hadn't way above average skills. If everybody could get #1 .... almost everybody would. ;)
To get near the top you need
- the knowledge about gameplay and & game mechanisms
- the skill to do what's necessary... the utter majority doesn't have a K/D less then 1 in fighters because they don't want to kill more than they die - they just can't do it ;)
- to play the whole game of AH, not just fighters or just GV's
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If you want to play for top rank in Fighters just find as many bombers as possible & shoot as many as possible in the shortest amount of time. In reality that is not so easy to do finding bombers all the time.
If you want to get your GV rank high quick take the new Sherman with the rockets & drive to the nearest shore battery & let 42 of them rip & you just improved your rank many positions.
Bombers find the biggest fat target you can find & drop the least amount of bombs that get you the best return throw in a couple of Goon captures & you will be in the top ten.
It's not hard to do playing for rank I just don't find it a lot of fun when it becomes a job to get it.
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You need to realize that score in this game in no way reflects totally on someones ability to play the game. For example last tour I think i ranked in the 80's, this tour im ranked well over 1000. Biggest difference is i havn't captured a base with a goon or GV, i dont even think i have a fighter sortie yet. I havnt bothered to do the few little things that seriously affect your score and rank. Im still the same player i was last month but the numbers, if taken as just a number, would say other wise.
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If you want to play for top rank in Fighters just find as many bombers as possible & shoot as many as possible in the shortest amount of time.
Current top fighter pilot, Grizz, has only very few bombers in his kill list at all ;)
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You need to realize that score in this game in no way reflects totally on someones ability to play the game. For example last tour I think i ranked in the 80's, this tour im ranked well over 1000. Biggest difference is i havn't captured a base with a goon or GV, i dont even think i have a fighter sortie yet. I havnt bothered to do the few little things that seriously affect your score and rank. Im still the same player i was last month but the numbers would if taken as just a number would say other wise.
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My own buff rank would rake up high if I had a base capture in a goon... and my overall rank would go up as well. It's just that I find flying goons way too boring most of the time ;)
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It got boring a long time ago...... Every once in while I get the urge to put the numbers down but only in MW and its usually just to prove to the other "score-potato" that he isn't special at all.
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Current top fighter pilot, Grizz, has only very few bombers in his kill list at all ;)
Yes but he normally has a lot of hours in that offset my point of getting rank fast as possible with the least amount of effort.
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Yes but he normally has a lot of hours in that offset my point of getting rank fast as possible with the least amount of effort.
You could also say: Find a CV that's dominating an enemy airbase, and go vulching... will beat the buff huntin stuff every day ;)
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You could also say: Find a CV that's dominating an enemy airbase, and go vulching... will beat the buff huntin stuff every day ;)
True & up a Chog & it will help no end. Buffs are the biggest pay day though for fighter mode biggest risk & are rewarded with the bigger score.... If you can find enough of them. :)
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ok, back to the damage scoring. How do you get more damage points? By killing the planes? or simply wounding them?
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True & up a Chog & it will help no end. Buffs are the biggest pay day though for fighter mode biggest risk & are rewarded with the bigger score.... If you can find enough of them. :)
But when vulching your K/H goes through the roof, beating the bomber's kill point advantage .
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But when vulching your K/H goes through the roof, beating the bomber's kill point advantage .
In a vulch situation yes. Hit percentage on buffs though will always be better.
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In a vulch situation yes. Hit percentage on buffs though will always be better.
No necessarily. When you vulch with a cannon bird, near misses will hit by blast radius and count as hits too.
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No necessarily. When you vulch with a cannon bird, near misses will hit by blast radius and count as hits too.
We are preaching to the choir here. :neener:
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Which goes back to the basic question. Why should a guy with 10 sorties be ranked higher than a guy with hundreds of kills and sorties. there's more guys ranked in the top 100 that are logged in today with less than 50 sorties some have less than 20. score rewards few sorties vulching then stop playing in fighter mode for the rest of the month.
semp
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Which goes back to the basic question. Why should a guy with 10 sorties be ranked higher than a guy with hundreds of kills and sorties.
Why should he not? ;)
The number of kill points has exactly 20% influence on you fighter rank. Why should that go higher? Why should I get a higher fighter rank, just because I have no life and log absurd hours in this game?
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Which goes back to the basic question. Why should a guy with 10 sorties be ranked higher than a guy with hundreds of kills and sorties. there's more guys ranked in the top 100 that are logged in today with less than 50 sorties some have less than 20. score rewards few sorties vulching then stop playing in fighter mode for the rest of the month.
semp
It is about knowing the score system & how it works & knowing what targets to hit to maximum affect. For example currently I am ranked #3 in bombers? Was not aware of this until a few days ago & it was completely by accident. Was just trying things out with the new changes. Now if I wanted to I could get #1 I very easily could do that just by hitting what I need to hit to get it.
It may not be to your liking the score system but it is what it is & I have not seen any one come up with one much better yet.
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It is about knowing the score system & how it works & knowing what targets to hit to maximum affect. For example currently I am ranked #3 in bombers?
rainman?
Well.. the key to a really high bomber rank is getting a lot of captures... and 7 is quite a lot. As a lone wolf, it would be almost impossible for me to get ;)
I for one would like to see something like "perks per hour". Now it's neccesarily not more that much meaningful in terms of skill assesment... but it would absolutely require someone going for the top to fly on outnumbered country, and step out of Tempest or Spit XVi and fly high eny planes :)
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rainman?
Well.. the key to a really high bomber rank is getting a lot of captures... and 7 is quite a lot. As a lone wolf, it would be almost impossible for me to get ;)
I for one would like to see something like "perks per hour". Now it's neccesarily not more that much meaningful in terms of skill assesment... but it would absolutely require someone going for the top to fly on outnumbered country, and step out of Tempest or Spit XVi and fly high eny planes :)
Not a bad idea.
I would like the strats to be the highest benefit for bombers to hit at present no incentive to bomb them if your after rank.
As far as captures go lone wolf is the best way to get 7 or more. Read the bug forums it is all spelt out how to do it.
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I've noticed that that there was a #3 rank in bomber ranks and yet he has only done 5 sorties. 2 were base captures. Maybe there should be a 100 sortie minimum as far as bombing goes.
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I've noticed that that there was a #3 rank in bomber ranks and yet he has only done 5 sorties. 2 were base captures. Maybe there should be a 100 sortie minimum as far as bombing goes.
Ah so.then those players that don't get to play as much wouldn't be allowed to go for top score. Nice :rolleyes: the game isn't about score ya know.
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Ah so.then those players that don't get to play as much wouldn't be allowed to go for top score. Nice :rolleyes: the game isn't about score ya know.
Apparently it was two years ago, when this post was current... :lol
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I'm not concerned with score..........only that the enemy who used to feel safe at 30k now has to look above his altitude wondering when I will show up.
That also goes for guys at 40k.
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Ah so.then those players that don't get to play as much wouldn't be allowed to go for top score. Nice :rolleyes: the game isn't about score ya know.
Then why is there a rank system? 100 sorties may seem like a lot, but when bombing, taking up a formation counts for 3 sorties. 33 sorties isnt that much and doesnt take long to do.
Not a bad idea.
I would like the strats to be the highest benefit for bombers to hit at present no incentive to bomb them if your after rank.
As far as captures go lone wolf is the best way to get 7 or more. Read the bug forums it is all spelt out how to do it.
I also agree with this. All I hear is that bombing the strats (capitol, city, factories) is a waste of time and that it doesnt help the war effort. If so, make it matter HTC. Also I would like to see some bases use the puffy ack as well.
chipr
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I've only gotten over a hundred sorties TOTAL one month in the las year of playing. So your saying I shouldn't be included in the score keeping, as well as any other who fly as much as I.
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I've noticed that that there was a #3 rank in bomber ranks and yet he has only done 5 sorties. 2 were base captures. Maybe there should be a 100 sortie minimum as far as bombing goes.
chipr you resurrected a 2 year old thread that was based on the old strat system. if you want to complain about the scoring, start another and give it up, because it's not going to change. you want to score high, then learn how the scoring works not how to bomb.
semp
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chipr you resurrected a 2 year old thread that was based on the old strat system. if you want to complain about the scoring, start another and give it up, because it's not going to change. you want to score high, then learn how the scoring works not how to bomb.
semp
The thread is old because I didnt want to start a new thread. People tend to complain about not searching the threads before starting a new one. And also, my opinion on ranks is about the current scoring system. Some guy has 5 bomber sorties and he's ranked I believe to be 3rd. .
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Two things...
It's a combat game; score and rank is just not that important, no matter what anyone thinks.
Bumping an old thread is just not good practice. Start a new thread and link or reference the old thread as support for your assertion.
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Speak for yourself. Please dont bother to comment on anymore of my posts since its always the same negativity.
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Speak for yourself. Please dont bother to comment on anymore of my posts since its always the same negativity.
sorry bro, but they're not really your posts. their on a bb where everybody can comment as long as it is related to the topic.
just for the record I mostly agree with you, but that's how the scoring is done and it's not gonna change. so basically fine tune your scoring ability, I know your bombing skill is pretty high.
semp
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I like the perks per hour Idea because currently the scoring system goesn't care what plane you fly in. Seems to me if 2 players had the same stats in each fighter category, I would think the one who flew all his sorties in a P-40 should be ranked higher than the one that flew all his sorties in a Tempest. :aok
I think gaming the scoring system is not as easy as it sounds due to the balance that's created by the categories, some being total score, and some being per hour. I guess it's possible to spend the majority of your time vulching, hoarding, & picking, as these will increase the 'per hour' stats. If there are enough of these opportunities you can also generate enough kill points to go allong with those ratios. But If you examine the top 100 fighter ranks for Tour 140, I don't that. I see a lot of good sticks.
I have brainstormed some methods for reducing scores for hoarders and picker and vulchers. But I won't hijack the thread. :salute
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get rid of score. just my two cents.
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I miss the "streak" we have in Warbirds.
A streak is the number of kills you get before you get shot down , or bail without capture.
It should be easy to implement , or is it not ?
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I miss the "streak" we have in Warbirds.
A streak is the number of kills you get before you get shot down , or bail without capture.
It should be easy to implement , or is it not ?
been talked about many times....i think the highest is around 350 or so.....