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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: guncrasher on July 01, 2010, 07:44:21 PM
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Disclaimer: Please dont make this post about spelling or grammar rules. I have sometimes trouble expressing my thoughts. It's taking me several hours to type this, so please be kind.
Right now we have eny based on numbers. It is simple, side with the the highest number of players gets limited in the airplane they can have. It is meant to equalize the playing field, but imho it doesn't really do what it is meant to fix, which is equalizing the playing field. Last night I was in a group of about 20 players attacking a field, they were mostly inexperienced players, 5 guys kicked our butts, and to make matters worst we had a high eny due to more players, but our players were mostly inexperienced.
Remember the guy with the signature that says something like "I would rather go up the river with 7 studs than 100 kakaheads". maybe eny should really be about equalizing the playing field. let me give you an example and I am not being sarcastic and dont get off topic here.
Lets assume we only have 2 countries and only 2 bases. one base per country, rules are simple capture the other base, you win. Lets say the AOM squad has 20 members (really awesome squad, number is made up), they are right now in country A by themselves defending against a horde of 100 from country B. But the 100 is a bunch of inexperienced players that just joined in past year.
according to current rules, country B's plane set is limited due to a higher number of player. This is where it gets interesting:
-How is limiting country B's plane set going to help level the playing field? Country A has more experienced players and they dont really need help from eny.
-Isn't in reality country B that one who needs help here? Shouldn't eny really affect country A so the playing field gets even?
So my suggestion here is: why isn't eny changed to reflect the playing skill of each country. Use the scoring system to have an "average" player skill level then increase eny when there's a high difference in each country's skill level. Of course there would have to be some adjustments, after all 1 highly skilled player will not win all the time against 5 or 6 noobs attacking at the same time.
I believe a change likes this is an opportinuty for all those people that switch country's to level the playing field, to actually level the playing field. Please dont post about how the code will need to be revamped. Lets just assume all HT needs to do is change one setting.
I really think it is time that eny really does what it is supposed to do.
semp
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my suggestion here is: why isn't eny changed to reflect the playing skill of each country. Use the scoring system to have an "average" player skill level then increase eny when there's a high difference in each country's skill level. Of course there would have to be some adjustments, after all 1 highly skilled player will not win all the time against 5 or 6 noobs attacking at the same time.
That's the real problem: You simply can't use score and rank for this. You can't simply take scoring numbers and say "this player is better than the other one". Those numbers are influenced by many factors beyond skill. For example, playing style or choice of main ride. Some are pretty good, but their score doesn't really reflect that.
I'm usually ranked in top 40 overall, and top 10-20 in fighters. Yet there are countless players with ranks in the hundreds that are kicking my butt if we actually start to fight each other.
It's just that my playing style is more "score-friendly".
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Not only what Lusche said, but ENY is supposed to be an incentive to switch sides to balance the NUMBERS in the arena and should not (and really cannot) take into account any type of skill calculation.
The real problem is this: "I'm a [insert chesspiece] and always will be. I'm fanatic about it and my chesspiece is the world to me; you'll never see me on any other side...hey, how come I can't fly my uber-plane...HTC, you gotta change the rules so I can fly any plane any time no matter if my side outnumbers the other two combined."
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It's just that my playing style is more "score-friendly".
What he is trying to say is that he is a score hoar. :D
I agree though, that score does NOT reflect the skill of a player, but rather how well they balance what they do in the game. There are countless players that fly nothing but the better aircraft and pick-n-run. But once they are cornered they quickly fold and are beaten. On the other hand, there are players that take challenging aircraft and work their tails off for 2 kills and ho-hum if they dont get back to pad their score.
The real talent isnt even ranked. ;)
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I think guncrasher is just trolling for someone to call him a socialist. Not gonna do it, no maam, not gonna do it. :D
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If it's about limited plane set, meaning "I can't fly the latest and greatest", I've really got no sympathy. Too many good birds out there regardless of ENY that can be flown.
If your bird is that important to you, then switch sides.
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If it's about limited plane set, meaning "I can't fly the latest and greatest", I've really got no sympathy. Too many good birds out there regardless of ENY that can be flown.
If your bird is that important to you, then switch sides.
no, it was never about i cant fly this or that plane. It was about actually using eny to help the low side.
semp
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The real problem is this: "I'm a [insert chesspiece] and always will be. I'm fanatic about it and my chesspiece is the world to me; you'll never see me on any other side...hey, how come I can't fly my uber-plane...HTC, you gotta change the rules so I can fly any plane any time no matter if my side outnumbers the other two combined."
yeah. i am a bish for life here <S> :D but i agree that players who choose to stay on one country just needs to suck it up and fly the older planes. my planes are the P51D at 5eny, a6ms at 20 and 40, P39Q at 30, and anything else for fun. so i learned a bunch of planes for a bunch of enys. i never have problems and so shouldnt others. P51D-weebs scale it down to the B if you want. Spittie-dweebery pilots, you don't need the 16 or the 8, fly the 9 and 5 :aok luftwhiners...well...uhh...le arn to fly japanese cuz you never have eny problems :furious :lol
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Listen kids, ENY does a simple task.... Nothing more. Let's take an early morning BLUE arena for a minute....
8 Daggers, 11 Hemlocks & 3 The Hand are online ( the names have been changed to protect the innocent )...
Daggers and Hemlocks are both hitting The Hand....
TOTAL FAKE REALITY - The Hand have ENY 29, and consist of Grizz in a 109G6, WMLute in a 38G, Snaphook in his SBD and they would still run the table.
ENY simply tries to level the playing field as best as an online game can do. It may not be perfect but it ain't so bad. If I have the numbers, I can't up a Pony, or a Typhy or maybe even a F4U-1A........ What bothers me is the Mossie got a lower ENY now and I can't up it if it goes about 25, but other than that I can't complain. Go switch countries if you "HAVE TO FLY A PONY or LaLa."
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Listen kids, ENY does a simple task.... Nothing more. Let's take an early morning BLUE arena for a minute....
8 Daggers, 11 Hemlocks & 3 The Hand are online ( the names have been changed to protect the innocent )...
Daggers and Hemlocks are both hitting The Hand....
TOTAL FAKE REALITY - The Hand have ENY 29, and consist of Grizz in a 109G6, WMLute in a 38G, Snaphook in his SBD and they would still run the table.
ENY simply tries to level the playing field as best as an online game can do. It may not be perfect but it ain't so bad. If I have the numbers, I can't up a Pony, or a Typhy or maybe even a F4U-1A........ What bothers me is the Mossie got a lower ENY now and I can't up it if it goes about 25, but other than that I can't complain. Go switch countries if you "HAVE TO FLY A PONY or LaLa."
Then again the post is not about not being able to fly a certain airplane. It's about actually helping the side that needs help. Current eny doesnt help the side that needs help the most. Just because you have numbers it doesnt mean that you are in a better position to win the war. You cant understand that, then dont bother to post.
semp
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I understand your point guncrasher, but the thing is on average each country will have a mixture of noobs and aces so in the end it balances out.
if anything I'd say the ENY effect isnt strong enough, ENY 15 represents a very significant numbers advantage yet the planeset is hardly restricted in terms of ability.
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Semp, score is a poor account of skill. My overall score is close to 2000 (I think), while my GV score is close to 100 (again, I think). I rarely fly bombers, and I don't think I've flown an "attack" sortie my entire AH carear. I fly fighters maybe 1/2 as often as I drive a GV. So are you saying that the side with me on it needs a boost from ENY? Personally, I think killing hoards of T-34/76's and M8's would get old rather fast.
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Then again the post is not about not being able to fly a certain airplane. It's about actually helping the side that needs help. Current eny doesnt help the side that needs help the most. Just because you have numbers it doesnt mean that you are in a better position to win the war. You cant understand that, then dont bother to post.
semp
Your conception of what ENY is about is wrong. It always was only about numbers, and never about "the war". ENY never cared or the war, nor was it designed to it.
It is just what it is: A limiter to counter numerical imbalance.
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Regarding ENY, I wish the numbers would by more dynamic. Why are most of the vehicles rated in variables of 5? The ENY does not jump in variables of 5.
Start aircarft like the 262, george, pony, Spit16, etc, at LESS than 5.
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262, yes, spit 16, yes. Pony? no. I'm sorry, but its not as uber that. I mean the La-7 has an ENY of 8, and its faster and hits harder. Feels a bit more nimble at med speed too.
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262, yes, spit 16, yes. Pony? no. I'm sorry, but its not as uber that. I mean the La-7 has an ENY of 8, and its faster and hits harder. Feels a bit more nimble at med speed too.
It is about the numbers. The P-51D has more impact on the MA than either the Spitfire Mk XVI or La-7.
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P-51D has more impact because its used more. So does the most numerous planes have lower ENY's? Seems ENY should be based on preformance, rather than usage.
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P-51D has more impact because its used more. So does the most numerous planes have lower ENY's? Seems ENY should be based on preformance, rather than usage.
It's all of it to some degree. How good, how many (often a direct fumction of "how good"), and how they are beign used.
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how many (often a direct function of "how good").
Yes, but not always. I find the 190A5 to be the most deadly. When flying one, I killed spit 16 without taking a hit (he was chasing me), but I was attacked by a 190A5 flown by the same pilot, and for the life of me I couldn't shake him.
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Yes, but not always.
Very true, and that's why I said "often" :)
I find the 190A5 to be the most deadly. When flying one, I killed spit 16 without taking a hit (he was chasing me), but I was attacked by a 190A5 flown by the same pilot, and for the life of me I couldn't shake him.
Now here you have to discern between objective & subjective judgements. What one is feeling to be most deadly and what actually is by raw performance may be two different things. A Spit 16 is way superior to a 190A-5 on paper, but more often than not, the 16 is lown by a sub-average player in the MA and the A-5 by a vet.
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It is futile to try and determine what formula HTC uses to put what aircraft where in the ENY scale. Same goes for which aircraft have a perk price applied and those that do not.
One could safely, I would think, assume that usage of an aircraft has little bearing as to the ENY score and/or perk price applied to it. If that was the case, the Spit 14 would not be perked and the Spit 16 would be.
I mentioned the "LESS" than 5 ENY applied to the aircraft I mentioned simply because of their current ENY ranking. Mind you, I'm frankly a bit confused, like many AH players, at how the ENY scale and the perking of planes is formulated (I bet there isnt one, just a glance or two plane performance abilities and actual game play stats).
Im glad to see the P51D is finally a 5, and not an 8. Name an aircraft that is as versatile as the P51D? It is amongst the fastest at all altitudes, it can carry 2900lbs of ord, and still has plenty of ammo and firepower in the 6/.50 cals. Dont forget generous climb rates, a dive ability second only to the Thunderbolts, plenty of maneuverability, great pilot visibility, and the ability to soak of a good amount of damage.
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Yes, but not always. I find the 190A5 to be the most deadly. When flying one, I killed spit 16 without taking a hit (he was chasing me), but I was attacked by a 190A5 flown by the same pilot, and for the life of me I couldn't shake him.
Believe it or not some people cant fly any spit, they're used to hit and running and think the spit will do the same :joystick:.
semp
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I think guncrasher is just trolling for someone to call him a socialist. Not gonna do it, no maam, not gonna do it. :D
:lol
I don't think he's a socialist. :lol
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My solution: when grizz and kappa are on @ the same time their country gets an eny of 41 :D that way i dont get killed by them anymore :salute
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Believe it or not some people cant fly any spit, they're used to hit and running and think the spit will do the same :joystick:.
semp
You're right, Spits are really hard to fly. :)
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You're right, Spits are really hard to fly. :)
Fly a MK IX spit like a 190D and see how far it gets you.
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Fly a MK IX spit like a 190D and see how far it gets you.
You mean bounce planes involved in a turn fight and then zoom back up to a perch?
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P-51D has more impact because its used more. So does the most numerous planes have lower ENY's? Seems ENY should be based on preformance, rather than usage.
It's all of it to some degree. How good, how many (often a direct fumction of "how good"), and how they are beign used.
Don't forget that the P51D can out last an La in the air by a maximum of 40-60 minutes and a Spittie by a good margin too. That and that a Spit16 and a P51D have the same engine and a P51D can also in many circumstances out fly both if properly flown...
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Regarding the original post....it gets even worse--say....Rooks 180...Bish 135, Nits 120. Rooks have eny...say...13. But ALL the Nits and ALL the Bish are hitting Rooks on either front, with nary a tank battle tween bish/nits. NOW, Rooks getting arse handed to them, and they can't have any uber planes. (This occasionally happens to Bish too, which is much more enjoyable)
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Regarding the original post....it gets even worse--say....Rooks 180...Bish 135, Nits 120. Rooks have eny...say...13. But ALL the Nits and ALL the Bish are hitting Rooks on either front, with nary a tank battle tween bish/nits. NOW, Rooks getting arse handed to them, and they can't have any uber planes. (This occasionally happens to Bish too, which is much more enjoyable)
Odd.. I'm getting told every day on Knight country channel that it's always Rook s &Bish against us, and that they almost never fight against each other :)
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Odd.. I'm getting told every day on Knight country channel that it's always Rook s & Bish against us, and that they almost never fight against each other :)
Feces rolls downhill :lol I lay off horded countries, if for no other reason, than the closer you get to their capitol, the more 262's come out
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Well lusche, I often can't find a fight between the rooks and the knits. So I must content myself with killing bish in stagnating hoard fights.
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That and that a Spit16 and a P51D have the same engine
Ummmm no.
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cmon theres hardly any difference, slightly different supercharger. its like saying the FIX and LFIX had different engines ...
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cmon theres hardly any difference, slightly different supercharger. its like saying the FIX and LFIX had different engines ...
They do have different engines, or you can just as easily say that a Fairey Battle has the same engine as the DeHaviland Hornet.
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well ok if you want to be pedantic my car has a different engine from the next unit that came off the production line. I'm just saying they are pretty much the same engines, its not like the difference between a merlin v12 and an allison v12, or a hercules and a twin wasp...
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Ok you are at 27K with the hun... what spit would you rather be in?
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the one with the HF charger and oxygen, but with the same block, heads, pistons, manifolds, fuel system, bore, stroke, electrical system, cooling system, reduction gear, oil system etc etc etc ...
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well ok if you want to be pedantic my car has a different engine from the next unit that came off the production line. I'm just saying they are pretty much the same engines, its not like the difference between a merlin v12 and an allison v12, or a hercules and a twin wasp...
No, it isn't like that. The engines are clearly related, but what do you think would happen to the Fairey Battle's engine if you tried to get 2,000+ horses out of it like the Hornet's engines are producing?
The Merlin 61 engine in the Spitfire F.Mk IX had a maximum boost setting on 100 octane of +15lbs boost. The Merlin 66 of the LF.Mk IX or the Merlin 70 of the HF.Mk IX had a maximum boost setting on 100 octane of +18lbs boost.
Obviously they are all Merlins, but the changes are greater than just different gears on the supercharger.
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sry I have no idea about the battle and hornets engines.
sure the 266 and V-1650-7 were different engines, but like I said they are not different like the allison vs merlin v12s. depends on how close you define them to be to be the same. its like bmw's 330i and 335i engines - I'd say they are the same engine with different ecu maps and some plumbing. others would say they are different engines. :)
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They are both Merlins, just from extreme ends of Merlin development. Obviously the Merlin 61 is far, far closer to the Merlin 66 than those are to each other, but you can't just say they are the same engine and be accurate.
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They are both Merlins, just from extreme ends of Merlin development. Obviously the Merlin 61 is far, far closer to the Merlin 66 than those are to each other, but you can't just say they are the same engine and be accurate.
Exactly. Just because they share the same dimensions does not equate to the same engine.
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mmmkay they are completely different engines for you guys, "pretty much the same" for me. guess we'll have to agree that we just have different definitions of same/different in this case.
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mmmkay they are completely different engines for you guys, "pretty much the same" for me. guess we'll have to agree that we just have different definitions of same/different in this case.
It's like saying a 5.7L in a chevy station wagon is the same as in a corvette. Same physical dimension very different performance.