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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: mtnman on July 13, 2010, 12:52:42 PM
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After a few years of gas-powered flight, I'm finally getting back into some "real" flying! Here's a few shots of my current project, almost ready to go. I'll be working on covering it today, hopefully it'll be airworthy in a few days (depending on other commitments).
132" span. It's a modified OlyIII. It should have polyhedral, but I got rid of that and added ailerons (and flaps). The flaps will be severe-deflection capable, so I'll be using them in lieu of spoilers as well as for "normal" applications.
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/Mtnman_03/glider4-Hsunset008.jpg)
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/Mtnman_03/glider4-Hsunset016.jpg)
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Looks Cool ! I wished I had the time and patience for this .All I have are 1 RC Copter that I dont know how to fly and a wife ack That I dont want to fly !! :D Looking forward to seeing the finished product !
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Is that a glider? I don't know much about hobby stuff.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaQB16ZaNI4
Now beef it up on the spar and go do this. Ive seen the Olys do very well upwards of 200 MPH..
GREAT GLIDER
Kam
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaQB16ZaNI4
Now beef it up on the spar and go do this. Ive seen the Olys do very well upwards of 200 MPH..
GREAT GLIDER
Kam
If I lived in or near an area I could do that I would.
However, for now anyway, I'll be limited to thermal soaring. Not that I mind thermal soaring, I love it! The challenge of long duration flights with no motor involved is addicting to me. I can get some good ridge lift along the Mississippi, but it's a two hour drive each way...
When I lived in Missoula I did a LOT of ridge soaring, and honestly it's my favorite. The dynamic soaring aspect is very alluring as well, but not very easy or "fantastic" around here. Nobody (other than the turkey vultures) was doing dynamic soaring back when I was in MT. I'm in flat farm country now, 18 hours east of Missoula.
If I get an opportunity to hit the ridges again, I'll beef up the spar with carbon fiber. I chose not to on this wing though.
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Monocoating that will be a blast :rock
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaQB16ZaNI4
Kam
There are no words to describe that. :O
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Cool plane, mtnman!
Personally I'd like to get an old scale R/C sailplane some day. A Minimoa would be really nice.
Do you know about this sim, btw: http://www.condorsoaring.com/ (http://www.condorsoaring.com/)?
It's an awesome sim if you have any interest at all in soaring at 1:1 scale.
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Cool plane, mtnman!
Personally I'd like to get an old scale R/C sailplane some day. A Minimoa would be really nice.
Do you know about this sim, btw: http://www.condorsoaring.com/ (http://www.condorsoaring.com/)?
It's an awesome sim if you have any interest at all in soaring at 1:1 scale.
No! I didn't know about that site... Saved to favorites for now, I'll have to look into it when I get time...
TY!
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Lookin' good Mtnman!
Fun flyin'! :cheers:
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The first glider I ever built was an Oly II that still has the same monokote on it that I ironed on thirty years ago. Its really good at giving me a neck pain from looking up for hours on end which is probably why I havent flown it for so long.
The Ikarus DG 1000 Challenger (208") is my favorite but it takes five servos in each wing (water flaps spoiler aileron and tip aileron). Not many slopes down here and they started running us off the beaches during tropical storms back around 1985. I hear the best slopes are in S. America where you can get up into the thin air with high wind speeds. One day.
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Very cool . I just love it . Put a camera system on it !
I have been looking at the OlyIII to put my FatShark system on but I think I am going to go with a ME 163 if I can find one for my FPV.
I have a Dragon Link long range system otw just for it .Got my OSD in yesterday .
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y313/LittleGeorgeJr/messerpic2.jpg)
Here is what I have my FPV stuff on now but I don't trust foam when I start getting 5 to 10 mile's out so I am going to change bird's .
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y313/LittleGeorgeJr/chip010.jpg)
I like this set up with the GoPro but the camera is not good to use to fly with . Work's fine for HD filming but not to fly with .
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y313/LittleGeorgeJr/gopro.jpg)
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y313/LittleGeorgeJr/CIMG2459.jpg)
BTW; Mtnman , are you the same man me and skyrock use to fly with in the 327th back in 1999 or around there ? I was GW back then .
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The first glider I ever built was an Oly II that still has the same monokote on it that I ironed on thirty years ago. Its really good at giving me a neck pain from looking up for hours on end which is probably why I havent flown it for so long.
The Ikarus DG 1000 Challenger (208") is my favorite but it takes five servos in each wing (water flaps spoiler aileron and tip aileron). Not many slopes down here and they started running us off the beaches during tropical storms back around 1985. I hear the best slopes are in S. America where you can get up into the thin air with high wind speeds. One day.
My first glider was an Olympic 650 that I built in Illinois and took with me when i went out to Montana. I thermal soared it in IL, and ridge and thermaled it in MT. It was a great plane! I modified it out there by reducing the polyhedral, increasing the span, and adding flaps. Man I loved that thing. I gave it to a homeless "friend" when I left MT. He saw RC flying as a sort of spiritual quest thing, but was limited to adding radio gear to the 3$ foamy hand-toss gliders. Nice guy, but not quite "right" in the head. A shame too, he was really smart...
I have a friend who's looking at the OlyII. He bought the OlyII and the Olympic 650, and it looks like he's going to build the 650 first.
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Very cool . I just love it . Put a camera system on it !
I have been looking at the OlyIII to put my FatShark system on but I think I am going to go with a ME 163 if I can find one for my FPV.
I have a Dragon Link long range system otw just for it .Got my OSD in yesterday .
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y313/LittleGeorgeJr/messerpic2.jpg)
Here is what I have my FPV stuff on now but I don't trust foam when I start getting 5 to 10 mile's out so I am going to change bird's .
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y313/LittleGeorgeJr/chip010.jpg)
I like this set up with the GoPro but the camera is not good to use to fly with . Work's fine for HD filming but not to fly with .
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y313/LittleGeorgeJr/gopro.jpg)
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y313/LittleGeorgeJr/CIMG2459.jpg)
BTW; Mtnman , are you the same man me and skyrock use to fly with in the 327th back in 1999 or around there ? I was GW back then .
Yup, I'm the same guy...
The camera idea will be tried, I've already been playing with it a bit. It won't be FP stuff, I'm not really looking for that. I have a Flycamone2 that I play with. I'd really like to get a small enough system that I can attach it to my birds. I tried it with the Flycamone2, but it bounces left/right too much when she flaps. It's a bit heavy too. And the picture isn't too hot... Maybe when things get a bit smaller and cheaper... I'm not willing to dish out big bucks on it, and I'm worried about it getting snagged in brush, etc.
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Good to see you still around . I was going to ask if you still had the hawk ..The Gopro is the only choice in camera's right now . That work good in HD . I just can't spend 250 buck's on a camera .
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Got 'er covered...
Test tosses went fine today, so I strapped on the camera and tried it on the hi-start. It was pretty windy today, so I had to wait until dusk for some calm weather.
I had time for 2 hi-start launches. The launch hook is further aft than I'm used to, and I haven't hi-started a glider in 15 years or so, so I ended up stalling it a bit on each launch. First launch was up to around 300', second was about 400'. I should be able to get close to 500' on a perfect launch.
It flies great! My only complaint is that there's some definite adverse yaw effect. When I came back inside (I flew in my back yard), I read the directions on this new-fangled radio and found out I can mix the rudder to slave off of the ailerons, so that should cure it! It's just a matter of figuring out how much rudder to tie in with the ailerons. I'm trying 59% rudder tied to 100% ailerons for now, we'll see how she goes. With the on-board camera I can review the films later to see whether that's too much or too little I think.
No lift tonight, it was actually getting kind of dark at the end. I was chicken to try it in the wind with so little recent experience, new plane, etc...
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/Mtnman_03/DSC_0001-1.jpg)
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/Mtnman_03/DSC_0127.jpg)
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/Mtnman_03/DSC_0133.jpg)
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/Mtnman_03/DSC_0187.jpg)
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Very nice !
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Nice mtnman, to help with the adverse yaw, use aileron differential. Start with about 20% and adjust as required.
mixing rudder will help to. For those that don't know, using differential in ailerons has the up aileron with more travel than the down aileron. Down aileron produces drag. With a long high aspect ratio wing and ailerons waaaaaaaay out at the tips, you can just imagine the effect.
enjoy you glider
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Nice mtnman, to help with the adverse yaw, use aileron differential. Start with about 20% and adjust as required.
mixing rudder will help to. For those that don't know, using differential in ailerons has the up aileron with more travel than the down aileron. Down aileron produces drag. With a long high aspect ratio wing and ailerons waaaaaaaay out at the tips, you can just imagine the effect.
enjoy you glider
I slaved the rudder to the ailerons, but I think I'll also dial in some differential on the ailerons. In the old days, I always did that mechanically, now it's just a matter of clicking around on the radio, hehe!
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Thats a really pretty plane! I'd like to get into gliders, but the club i fly at is near a lake so we always have alot of wind.
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Man those colors silhouette quick dont they? I usually add some yellow or something near the tips but you do have a lot younger eyes.
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Hey mtnman , How long did it take you to cover it ? Did you use MonoKote or Film ?
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I hope you don't mind mtnman...
About the Minimoa...there aren't many things that look as pretty and majestic in flight...
(http://zero-zero.smugmug.com/photos/208465044-L.jpg)
NOT mine...but I've been dreaming about something like that. :)
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I hope you don't mind mtnman...
About the Minimoa...there aren't many things that look as pretty and majestic in flight...
(http://zero-zero.smugmug.com/photos/208465044-L.jpg)
NOT mine...but I've been dreaming about something like that. :)
Heck no I don't mind! Post away! What better than a thread of sailplanes???
I agree, it's a beautiful plane! I was (and still am, actually) quite tempted by the "Bird of Time" type planes. And actually, I was working on a scale model of a soaring redtailed hawk a few years back, I may need to dust off that project again too!
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Man those colors silhouette quick dont they? I usually add some yellow or something near the tips but you do have a lot younger eyes.
They do, but I've never had problems telling which direction the plane's going (or which end is up) due to silhouetting. It was also nearly dark for those pictures, which doesn't help.
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Hey mtnman , How long did it take you to cover it ? Did you use MonoKote or Film ?
Monokote, and probably 15 hours or so, total. Maybe not that long. I did it in one day sitting in front of the tv, and trimmed it and assembled it the next.
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They do, but I've never had problems telling which direction the plane's going (or which end is up) due to silhouetting. It was also nearly dark for those pictures, which doesn't help.
I never did either... until the first time my plane went up to nine-thousand feet or better. When you see airplanes landing at the airport pass under your glider you will know what I mean. If you glance away you may not find that little speck again.
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I never did either... until the first time my plane went up to nine-thousand feet or better. When you see airplanes landing at the airport pass under your glider you will know what I mean. If you glance away you may not find that little speck again.
Well, then I guess that begs the question...
Which colors can you see at 9000 ft, so as to eliminate the silhouette effect?
I've had my planes in the clouds, but I just put them into flat spins to get them back lower and then ride the elevator back up!
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Threw my Gopro on my Parkzone P51 BL. Right now there is an audioswap in progress, so its not up to high quality rendering yet. But its a ton of fun. Just need to throw a 400 watt motor upgrade in and it'll have unlimited vertical.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot-wfStd6vY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot-wfStd6vY)
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Hey, nice plane Mtnman.. never been a fan of flying gliders myself, but they are definitely beautiful and graceful birds. My tastes run more to the speed stuff.. mainly jets (turbine), Electric Ducted Fans, and pusher prop speed planes...
Thought you might like this video I did, a combination of inflight video, and ground video of a fligt of my Keecat. (Pusher Prop). Did this video as a tribute to my dad.. we've done htis hobby for 25+ years now, and I did this as a thank you...
http://s94.photobucket.com/albums/l98/Oryon75/?action=view¤t=KeecatDad.mp4 (http://s94.photobucket.com/albums/l98/Oryon75/?action=view¤t=KeecatDad.mp4)
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Well, then I guess that begs the question...
Which colors can you see at 9000 ft, so as to eliminate the silhouette effect?
I've had my planes in the clouds, but I just put them into flat spins to get them back lower and then ride the elevator back up!
Transparents on top and opaques on the bottom. I used to be able to see yellows at up to two miles but I would bet I would have trouble today.
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Hey, nice plane Mtnman.. never been a fan of flying gliders myself, but they are definitely beautiful and graceful birds. My tastes run more to the speed stuff.. mainly jets (turbine), Electric Ducted Fans, and pusher prop speed planes...
Thought you might like this video I did, a combination of inflight video, and ground video of a fligt of my Keecat. (Pusher Prop). Did this video as a tribute to my dad.. we've done htis hobby for 25+ years now, and I did this as a thank you...
http://s94.photobucket.com/albums/l98/Oryon75/?action=view¤t=KeecatDad.mp4 (http://s94.photobucket.com/albums/l98/Oryon75/?action=view¤t=KeecatDad.mp4)
Very Nice job you did for your father :salute Post it on Vimeo .. with a FPV tag .
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Hey, nice plane Mtnman.. never been a fan of flying gliders myself, but they are definitely beautiful and graceful birds. My tastes run more to the speed stuff.. mainly jets (turbine), Electric Ducted Fans, and pusher prop speed planes...
Thought you might like this video I did, a combination of inflight video, and ground video of a fligt of my Keecat. (Pusher Prop). Did this video as a tribute to my dad.. we've done htis hobby for 25+ years now, and I did this as a thank you...
http://s94.photobucket.com/albums/l98/Oryon75/?action=view¤t=KeecatDad.mp4 (http://s94.photobucket.com/albums/l98/Oryon75/?action=view¤t=KeecatDad.mp4)
Very nice tribute! It's awesome that you and your dad can find common ground and interests like that. My son seems to be latching on to my interest in flight and birds of prey too, so that's exciting.
I like the speed aspects of flight too, but have zero (if it's even that high) interest in jets. I've flown some RC slope planes (gliders) that were blisterin' fast, and had a great time with them. I also really enjoy a select few of the warbirds (WWI and II, interest in the jets is non-existent) aerobatic biplanes, hang gliders and ultralights.
My interests are specific and maybe odd though. I love gliders, but strap an electric motor in or on it, and poof, no more interest for me. I really like the Hughes 500 helicopters, but I've never seen another helicopter that interests me in the slightest. Props on the front of planes I'm ok with, put it on the back, nope... I love the F4U's, B17's, and B25's, and kind of have a slight interest in the P51 and P40. Offhand, I can't think of another WWII airplane that interests me more than a diaper commercial. I love archery, but only with primitive equipment. I love muzzleloaders and muzzleloader hunting, but only as long as we're talking about flintlocks...
My interest in flight is predominately oriented towards birds, specifically raptors.
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Transparents on top and opaques on the bottom. I used to be able to see yellows at up to two miles but I would bet I would have trouble today.
Ahh, maybe that would work.
I can't use transparent film though, because I think it looks goofy. Isn't transparent film on top or bottom kind of pointless though, if you have opaque on the other? The net effect is opaque, isn't it? Is it just the difference in color that helps with visibility?
I know when I started out in RC back in the 80's, I used to make an effort to cover my planes with opposing colors (light bottom vs dark or bright top, etc) to help with being able to tell top from bottom, left from right, etc. At some point I moved past that, and found I didn't need to do that to know what my plane was doing. I've crashed a lot of planes, but never due to visibility/orientation problems.
I had an aerobatic biplane I covered in yellow, but it's been so long ago I don't remember much about how far out I could see it. It was a tiny little plane (3' wingspan, .25 motor), and I was never flying it with distance from me or high alt as a goal though.
One problem I've noticed though is that I find myself "watching" the plane, rather than "flying" it. I'm so used to watching my birds fly that I almost expect it to handle things on its own, lol!
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The thing about transparent film is allowing people to see your handiwork. My grandfather used to giggle himself silly looking at the planes I built because the pride you put into any hand craft was really different in his era than it is today. But anyway...
The idea is to let the sun in through the top and so the lower surface will appear a little brighter (not shadowed). You already have yours finished though and it will probably be awhile before you need to recover it.
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The thing about transparent film is allowing people to see your handiwork. My grandfather used to giggle himself silly looking at the planes I built because the pride you put into any hand craft was really different in his era than it is today. But anyway...
The idea is to let the sun in through the top and so the lower surface will appear a little brighter (not shadowed). You already have yours finished though and it will probably be awhile before you need to recover it.
Ah, ok. I understood those aspects. I thought you were using it as a means to avoid silhouetting.